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General Category => Halas Hall Football Forum => Topic started by: Reacher on December 31, 2022, 03:09:23 PM
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Because a win against the Lions to go 4-11 is surely more important than having a much more valuable draft pick!
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If the Bears win any of their remaining 2 games, the whole staff and all of the players should be fired!
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If the Bears win any of their remaining 2 games, the whole staff and all of the players should be fired!
Gotta “learn how to win.”
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Because a win against the Lions to go 4-11 is surely more important than having a much more valuable draft pick!
Don't worry they will fuck this up like
they always do I'm sure
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Solidly thrown ball to the flat on the Kmet touchdown.
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Tevin Jenkins gets hurt a lot.
Bears are going to fuck around and blow this top 2 pick.
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Bears are going to fuck around and blow this top 2 pick.
Bears’ defense comes to the rescue.
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Fields makes a 65 yard run clearly not able to run full speed. Unreal.
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Ugh. My stupid cable is fritzing out for the 2nd day in a row.
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If I’ve ever seen a worse pass blocking offensive line, I can’t remember it.
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Two plays later Braxton Jones basically sacks Fields himself. SMH
His man just pushed him straight back into Fields.
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Justin Hardee made the Pro Bowl. Good for him.
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So Claypool is allegedly active, or so I think I’ve read. He is a ghost. Really wish we’d have gotten DJ Moore instead.
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That trade sucks out loud right now.
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Still too many designed runs.
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Clear helmet to helmet on Fields.
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Just take him out already.
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Why do we never ever see quick slants from the Bears?
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Why do we never ever see quick slants from the Bears?
Because Fields can’t throw them!! Damn man haven’t you heard a single word PMan been telling you?!
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Fields is going to be 5-20 as a starter in the NFL to begin his career.
Other than Troy Aikman who lost a ton his first year with the Cowboys, has there ever been a QB start off 5-20 or worse and become a playoff QB?
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Fields is going to be 5-20 as a starter in the NFL to begin his career.
Other than Troy Aikman who lost a ton his first year with the Cowboys, has there ever been a QB start off 5-20 or worse and become a playoff QB?
Lol
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Because Fields can’t throw them!! Damn man haven’t you heard a single word PMan been telling you?!
Hard to say because we’ve never seen them.
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We should have traded Fields after the 1st quarter, when we could have gotten the Herschel Walker deal for him.
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We should have traded Fields after the 1st quarter, when we could have gotten the Herschel Walker deal for him.
Fields may have value as a RB in the NFL.
But he’s at best Taysom Hill as a QB. Not a guy you can win with
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Fields may have value as a RB in the NFL.
But he’s at best Taysom Hill as a QB. Not a guy you can win with
Lol
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Fields may have value as a RB in the NFL.
But he’s at best Taysom Hill as a QB. Not a guy you can win with
*He says unironically in a season in which they are engaged in the closest thing you will see to a full on tank, and in a game in which the defense is on pace to give up 55 points*
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Peyton Manning was 3 and 13 in his first season as a colt.
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Peyton Manning was 3 and 13 in his first season as a colt.
Was going to bring him up. But I’m sure I’d have been ridiculed. Every situation is different. Colts were much improved year 2 under Manning, but also had some really nice building block players. HOF level.
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Colts were also 6-10 in Manning’s 3rd year, so it wasn’t all linear progression and roses.
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May bad, they were 6-10 his 4th year.
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Let’s not acknowledge the fact that Fields was forced into action after being inadequately prepared as a starter in a massively failing regime that was swiftly kicked to the curb after drafting him. Then in year 2 was given nothing to work with in the only tank I can remember comparable to the Dolphins of a few years ago.
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Looks like the Texans are not in on the plan to get the Bears the #1 overall pick.
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Peyton Manning was 3 and 13 in his first season as a colt.
This is Fields second season with the Bears though. Look at the progression from rookie to 2nd season.
Peyton Manning
3-13
13-3
Trevor Lawrence
3-14
7-8
Justin Fields
2-8
3-12
Mitch Trubisky
4-8
11-3
Troy Aikman
0-11
7-8
If you are a difference making QB, you should improve your teams record from rookie to 2nd year. But even if you aren’t (like Mitch) it’s nearly impossible to have as bad of record as Fields has and end up successful
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This is Fields second season with the Bears though. Look at the progression from rookie to 2nd season.
Peyton Manning
3-13
13-3
Trevor Lawrence
3-14
7-8
Justin Fields
2-8
3-12
Mitch Trubisky
4-8
11-3
Troy Aikman
0-11
7-8
If you are a difference making QB, you should improve your teams record from rookie to 2nd year. But even if you aren’t (like Mitch) it’s nearly impossible to have as bad of record as Fields has and end up successful
Lol. Nevermind the fact his team is literally full of end of the roster/practice squad caliber players.
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This is Fields second season with the Bears though. Look at the progression from rookie to 2nd season.
Peyton Manning
3-13
13-3
Trevor Lawrence
3-14
7-8
Justin Fields
2-8
3-12
Mitch Trubisky
4-8
11-3
Troy Aikman
0-11
7-8
If you are a difference making QB, you should improve your teams record from rookie to 2nd year. But even if you aren’t (like Mitch) it’s nearly impossible to have as bad of record as Fields has and end up successful
Yep. Mitch really elevated the ‘18 Bears.
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Let’s not acknowledge the fact that Fields was forced into action after being inadequately prepared as a starter in a massively failing regime that was swiftly kicked to the curb after drafting him. Then in year 2 was given nothing to work with in the only tank I can remember comparable to the Dolphins of a few years ago.
There’s no tanking in the NFL. Other than teams intentionally playing bad QBs.
It’s not like the Bears haven’t spent most of their cap money. They are just an overall bad team, and a franchise QB should elevate bad teams. Fields doesn’t
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This is Fields second season with the Bears though. Look at the progression from rookie to 2nd season.
Peyton Manning
3-13
13-3
Trevor Lawrence
3-14
7-8
Justin Fields
2-8
3-12
Mitch Trubisky
4-8
11-3
Troy Aikman
0-11
7-8
If you are a difference making QB, you should improve your teams record from rookie to 2nd year. But even if you aren’t (like Mitch) it’s nearly impossible to have as bad of record as Fields has and end up successful
What can you tell me about this list? Go into specifics if you can. Please and thank you.
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*He says unironically in a season in which they are engaged in the closest thing you will see to a full on tank, and in a game in which the defense is on pace to give up 55 points*
60 points for the Lions looking well within reach.
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Some members of the 1990 Cowboys. This is only a snap shot of some of them.
(https://i.postimg.cc/NfDL1DRs/4-C0634-FF-14-ED-4-C6-C-BCA5-E9-B0-F4638-E01.png) (https://postimg.cc/WhD2VM9C)
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Another QB in a bad organization:
Sam Bradford
7-9
1-9
He never elevated anyone and was done rather quickly for being a #1 pick.
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38-10. Why is Fields in this game when nursing injuries?
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Another QB in a bad organization:
Sam Bradford
7-9
1-9
He never elevated anyone and was done rather quickly for being a #1 pick.
Congrats. You found an example of a QB who didn’t work out.
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Bears are playing like they're finally all in on the idea of having a top 2 pick.
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What can you tell me about this list? Go into specifics if you can. Please and thank you.
I showed how Hall of Fame QBs (Manning/Aikman) elevate their teams by their 2nd year.
Even a mediocre QB like Trubisky the Bears won with in his 2nd year.
Then a guy like Trevor Lawrence, who was also part of just as bad of situation as Fields, is able to be 7-8 this year.
There’s just no evidence of any QB being 5-20 after 25 starts of turning things around.
Expecting the Bears to improve in Fields 2nd season is a reasonable expectation if Fields is a franchise caliber winning QB. All evidence points to that he isn’t.
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Another QB in a bad organization:
Sam Bradford
7-9
1-9
He never elevated anyone and was done rather quickly for being a #1 pick.
Based on that snapshot alone (only a fraction of the 1990 Cowboys), which 3 1st Ballot HOFers and 4 other near HOFers do you identify on this ‘22 Bears’ offense?
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Bears’ coaching staff having a bad day.
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Congrats. You found an example of a QB who didn’t work out.
Find ANY QB that started their career with a 5-20 record after 25 starts that was successful. Even just one guy.
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Find ANY QB that started their career with a 5-20 record after 25 starts that was successful. Even just one guy.
Lol. That’s PAMan “logic.”
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Steve Young started out 5-17. Or is that not close enough?
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Steve Young was 15-24 his first 7 years in the league.
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Jim Kelly was 10-18. Not exactly stellar.
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Matthew Stafford 17-29.
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Warren Moon, 12-33. And that was with previous professional experience under his belt. Need I go on?
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Bart Starr 3-15-1.
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Dan Fouts 10-28-1.
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Lion D ranked 32nd, per Brad Biggs this week
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I'm sure all those guys were 6/18, 69 yards against the lowest rated D in the league.
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I'm sure all those guys were 6/18, 69 yards against the lowest rated D in the league.
It’s all Fields’ fault. Fields is the problem, Bears fans.
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As has been said ad nauseum, he is part of the problem, but he plays the most important position on the team.
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https://twitter.com/fanduel/status/1609642098327797762?s=46&t=h58BtHJwmW7dA4WK6RJLog
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As has been said ad nauseum, he is part of the problem, but he plays the most important position on the team.
You are football smart. Lemme tell ya.
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The Lions have accrued about 25% of their sacks on the season in this one game, but I’m sure it’s all Fields’ fault.
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The Lions have accrued about 25% of their sacks on the season in this one game, but I’m sure it’s all Fields’ fault.
Some of them were. He could have stepped up in the pocket on a couple of those. His default seems to be to move back. Hopefully he can learn from it.
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Some of them were. He could have stepped up in the pocket on a couple of those. His default seems to be to move back. Hopefully he can learn from it.
Sure, a couple of them. It’s ALL his fault, I tell ya. He’s the problem, Bears fans.
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Chase Claypool with 1 target 0 catches. What a trade that was.
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Oh well, mission accomplished. Bears lost and Justin Fields is still breathing.
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Fucking Broncos. Win a game already.
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Cardinals choke and lose by 1 too.
Need the Vikings to come to play next week.
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Some of them were. He could have stepped up in the pocket on a couple of those. His default seems to be to move back. Hopefully he can learn from it.
Fields is the problem, Bears fans. If he avoids a couple of those sacks and all that pressure, it’s a totally different game!
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The Lions have accrued about 25% of their sacks on the season in this one game, but I’m sure it’s all Fields’ fault.
Running QBs are easy to sack bc they hold the ball.
Good QBs throw the ball away
Fields can average 100 yards rushing next year and the Bears will win less than 6 games playing that way
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Running QBs are easy to sack bc they hold the ball.
Good QBs throw the ball away
Lol
Dominic and PAMan: separated at birth?
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Running QBs are easy to sack bc they hold the ball.
Good QBs throw the ball away
Fields can average 100 yards rushing next year and the Bears will win less than 6 games playing that way
What about the plethora of great quarterbacks I just provided who had rough W/L starts to their careers? You said “name one.”
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Matthew Stafford 17-29.
5-20 makes Fields the losingest QB all time with 25 starts
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What about the plethora of great quarterbacks I just provided who had rough W/L starts to their careers? You said “name one.”
None were as bad as Fields
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5-20 makes Fields the losingest QB all time with 25 starts
And the dipshitest stat ever used as “proof” of anything. Again, can you show me the 5-6 HOFers near HOFers on this Bears offense?
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Running QBs are easy to sack bc they hold the ball.
Good QBs throw the ball away
Fields can average 100 yards rushing next year and the Bears will win less than 6 games playing that way
Joe Burrow led the league in getting sacked last year. Clearly he’s not very good.
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Joe Burrow led the league in getting sacked last year. Clearly he’s not very good.
I don't think he was last in the league in passing.
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I don't think he was last in the league in passing.
But he was most in sacks. Therefore, he sucks.
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Listening to Bears post-game and a “McCaskeys” guy called in. Hilarious that some people can’t see what Poles is trying to do.
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If the Vikings were to lose, still could benefit the Bears. Wouldn’t think O’Connell would want to go into the playoffs on a two game losing streak.
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Claypool apparently unhappy on the sidelines today. At this point, I’d entertain dumping him for a 4th rounder if they can in the off season, and just eat the loss.
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But he was most in sacks. Therefore, he sucks.
If he was 1st in sacks and last in passing, I would agree.
(Ignoring the defense) at this point last year, Burrow was leading his team into the playoffs despite the terrible line, the best WR being a rookie, and Joe Mixon, a guy, at RB.
At this point, we still do not know what Fields can do as a passer. We have not seen him bring them back in the 4th quarter for a win. We have not seen him pass for 300 yards. A lot of unknowns except that he is an exceptional runner.
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Listening to Bears post-game and a “McCaskeys” guy called in. Hilarious that some people can’t see what Poles is trying to do.
They aren’t doing anything. They are poorly constructed roster with a bad QB.
There’s basically 2 ways for an NFL team to become good:
#1. Pay a franchise QB top money and he elevates the team
#2. Have an adequate QB on a cheap rookie deal that allows the rest of the team to be built up with free agency dollars.
The bears have a QB on a cheap rookie deal. But he sucks and they haven’t landed anyone good in free agency with the money saved from having a QB on a rookie deal.
Bears are horrible. And Fields is a big part of it
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Claypool apparently unhappy on the sidelines today. At this point, I’d entertain dumping him for a 4th rounder if they can in the off season, and just eat the loss.
Nah you give him the off-season to see what he can do next year. If you used that 2nd round pick on him, you give him that much time.
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At this point, we still do not know what Fields can do as a passer. We have not seen him bring them back in the 4th quarter for a win. We have not seen him pass for 300 yards. A lot of unknowns except that he is an exceptional runner.
This a a fair and great post.
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Lions - Packers going to be a playoff game next week.
An absolute terrible Packers team still getting to the playoffs is a credit to Rodgers.
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This a a fair and great post.
Thank you, Judge Judy.
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And the dipshitest stat ever used as “proof” of anything. Again, can you show me the 5-6 HOFers near HOFers on this Bears offense?
Apparently, Field is the reason the Bears give up the most points per game in the NFL.
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Apparently, Field is the reason the Bears give up the most points per game in the NFL.
Bear 50 plays TOP 24:17 TO 2
Lion 70 plays TOP 35:43 TO 0
Lot of blame to go around.
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The bears have a QB on a cheap rookie deal. But he sucks and they haven’t landed anyone good in free agency with the money saved from having a QB on a rookie deal.
Bears are horrible. And Fields is a big part of it
Ever heard of dead cap space you fucking moron? The Bears lead the league in it. The current GM inherited a shitshow. You have zero understanding of what you’re talking about. You’re making PAMan’s Bears takes look intelligent by comparison.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-bears-top-nfls-largest-dead-money-salary-cap-charges-of-2022/
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Nah you give him the off-season to see what he can do next year. If you used that 2nd round pick on him, you give him that much time.
I think this is probably correct. As I said, I’d entertain it, wouldn’t necessarily do it. They clearly aren’t impressed with him, though.
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This a a fair and great post.
It is pretty fair. But also doesn’t jibe with his “Fields is the problem, Fields holds the ball too long, the reason the Bears don’t throw is Fields CAN’T PASS, St. Brown dropped it because he didn’t expect it to hit him the hands, need to move on from Fields, blah blah blah” which is 97% of what he posts.
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But yeah, let’s pat PAMan on the back for having one or two reasonable Fields’ takes out of one hundred.
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It is pretty fair. But also doesn’t jibe with his “Fields is the problem, Fields holds the ball too long, the reason the Bears don’t throw is Fields CAN’T PASS, St. Brown dropped it because he didn’t expect it to hit him the hands, need to move on from Fields, blah blah blah” which is 97% of what he posts.
He does take too long to pull the trigger and I think one of the reasons they do not throw much is because of his limitations as a passer (plus crappy WR and O linemen).
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But yeah, let’s pat PAMan on the back for having one or two reasonable Fields’ takes out of one hundred.
Thank you, Tempo!
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Claypool trade ain't looking too hot. But he does get next year with an offseason and training camp to show what he can do.
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Claypool trade ain't looking too hot. But he does get next year with an offseason and training camp to show what he can do.
True, but the guy is a 3rd year pro. He shouldn’t be playing the role of Waldo on this roster.
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Thank you, Tempo!
You’re welcome. You can also thank Dominic for wrestling the title of dumbest Bears take haver from you. It was a Herculean feat, but he did it.
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He does take too long to pull the trigger and I think one of the reasons they do not throw much is because of his limitations as a passer (plus crappy WR and O linemen).
At least you added in the “plus” part this time. You’re making progress. Turning a new leaf?
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True, but the guy is a 3rd year pro. He shouldn’t be playing the role of Waldo on this roster.
Why this view on Claypool but not judging Fields the same way?!
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Why this view on Claypool but not judging Fields the same way?!
WR isn’t nearly as difficult a position as QB. Plus. Fields is actually playing (and has earned it). Claypool hasn’t done donkey dick despite his competition for playing time being last receiver on the roster types. A 3rd year guy with his talents shouldn’t be invisible. Especially on this roster.
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Ever heard of dead cap space you fucking moron? The Bears lead the league in it. The current GM inherited a shitshow. You have zero understanding of what you’re talking about. You’re making PAMan’s Bears takes look intelligent by comparison.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-bears-top-nfls-largest-dead-money-salary-cap-charges-of-2022/
The current GM traded the Bears best player creating the dead money. That’s on Poles
He decided to create the dead money by dealing those guys. You tell me how the Bears are better with Mack on another team?
Good players get paid.
And hilarious you think the previous staff was a shitshow.
2018- 12-4
2019- 8-8
2020- 8-8
He’s taken an average team and made it dogshit worst team in the league level, all the while investing in a QB that sucks.
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The current GM traded the Bears best player creating the dead money. That’s on Poles
He decided to create the dead money by dealing those guys. You tell me how the Bears are better with Mack on another team?
Good players get paid.
You’re fucking Ryan Pace, aren’t you? Meaning you are him, or you’re fucking him. Take your pick.
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WR isn’t nearly as difficult a position as QB. Plus. Fields is actually playing (and has earned it). Claypool hasn’t done donkey dick despite his competition for playing time being last receiver on the roster types. A 3rd year guy with his talents shouldn’t be invisible. Especially on this roster.
He had one target today, man. He’s on a team that doesn’t throw the ball. He showed potential in Pittsburgh and produced for a season and a half. It’s a new offense. Fields hasn’t done donkey dick “passing” the ball. Claypool or any of the other shitty receivers can’t catch a ball that’s not thrown and they just watch Fields run around. No doubt Fields can run, but a QB needs to be able to pass.
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Yes, Dom. The Bears would have been better off paying a barely productive, oft injured 31 year old linebacker an exorbitant salary when they were already bad, in salary cap hell, and mortgaging their future and assets to stay afloat. You should run an NFL team. You sound like you’d be really good at it.
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At least you added in the “plus” part this time. You’re making progress. Turning a new leaf?
I have been saying that the whole time.
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I have been saying that the whole time.
The fuck you have. You sprinkle one in every few weeks.
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Khalil Mack has gone sackless in 10 games this year. To be fair, his 8 (3, almost half in one game) would easily lead the Bears. Assuming he could get there. He wouldn’t have Bosa taking away attention. So Mack would probably have 2-3 sacks here. That sounds worth 24 million per year and further salary cap purgatory.
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We would not be arguing hours per week for 17 weeks if you’d “been saying that all along.” I’ve conceded multiple (many) times Fields isn’t where we want him as a passer.
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The fuck you have. You sprinkle one in every few weeks.
I have reiterated that he plays the most important position on the field.
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We would not be arguing hours per week for 17 weeks if you’d “been saying that all along.” I’ve conceded multiple (many) times Fields isn’t where we want him as a passer.
You have conceded that lately.
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I have reiterated that he plays the most important position on the field.
Yeah, yeah, yeah…
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You have conceded that lately.
Pretty much all season.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah…
And you have reiterated that he had nothing around him.
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7/21, 75 yards (3.6 ypc), 1TD, 1INT today passing the ball. A 18.8QBR, that’s atrocious.
Who cares about that meaningless run in the 1st quarter. It’s flashy and eye-catching but meaningless. After that he did nothing. It’s very concerning.
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And you have reiterated that he had nothing around him.
Yes, I was trying to add context, but you have been devoutly anti-context.
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7/21, 75 yards (3.6 ypc), 1TD, 1INT today passing the ball. A 18.8QBR, that’s atrocious.
Who cares about that meaningless run in the 1st quarter. It’s flashy and eye-catching but meaningless. After that he did nothing. It’s very concerning.
It’s definitely not “meaningless,” but it’s not enough, I’ll grant you that.
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Khalil Mack has gone sackless in 10 games this year. To be fair, his 8 (3, almost half in one game) would easily lead the Bears. Assuming he could get there. He wouldn’t have Bosa taking away attention. So Mack would probably have 2-3 sacks here. That sounds worth 24 million per year and further salary cap purgatory.
I'll give you this, but even if Mack had twice as many sacks, that trade had to be made. They weren't re-signing him, and he is hurt too often.
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I'll give you this, but even if Mack had twice as many sacks, that trade had to be made. They weren't re-signing him, and he is hurt too often.
Dom thinks the trade was dumb and torpedoed the season.
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I have been saying that the whole time.
Yes, you’re so very fair (in spreading the blame around). That’s why this is in your sig:
“What Tempo fails to comprehend is why Getsy is calling runs for JFC. It is because JFC is not a QB who can actually pass at this point.”
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Yes, you’re so very fair (in spreading the blame around). That’s why this is in your sig:
“What Tempo fails to comprehend is why Getsy is calling runs for JFC. It is because JFC is not a QB who can actually pass at this point.”
I do not believe that to be untrue. Even with a garbage line and receivers they could still be calling slants and they don't.
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I do not believe that to be untrue. Even with a garbage line and receivers they could still be calling slants and they don't.
I brought up Burrow to him because he was in a much similar situation but was throwing for 400 yards a game and shit.
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Lions - Packers going to be a playoff game next week.
An absolute terrible Packers team still getting to the playoffs is a credit to Rodgers.
The Packers are winning with defense and special teams. Rodgers not having to play Superman each and every week is a good thing.
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I brought up Burrow to him because he was in a much similar situation but was throwing for 400 yards a game and shit.
Also had Tee Higgins, Joe Mixon, and added Jamar Chase. Tyler Boyd is their 3rd best receiver and he’d be the best receiver on the Bears, even with Mooney healthy.
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Burrow is also possibly the most unicorn of unicorns. So that’s a pretty lofty standard you’re setting there. What he’s done 3 years into his career is just about unparalleled. He and the Bengals got screwed out of the Super Bowl championship by the refs.
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I do not believe that to be untrue. Even with a garbage line and receivers they could still be calling slants and they don't.
I’d love to hear Getsy talk about this. Maybe he just doesn’t like slant routes. IDK. Or maybe he doesn’t feel it is a strength of the Bears’ offensive talent (Fields and receivers). These receivers aren’t really route runners. They’re just mostly fringe talent run and go find it guys. Very fringy.
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I brought up Burrow to him because he was in a much similar situation but was throwing for 400 yards a game and shit.
Just to keep you honest here; Burrow has thrown for 400 yards one time this year. 300 5x. So “400 yards a game and shit” is quite an exaggeration. They also throw 2.5x as much as the Bears and have an infinitely more talented receiving corps. That’s not to say Burrow isn’t better, clearly he is.
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I’d love to hear Getsy talk about this. Maybe he just doesn’t like slant routes. IDK. Or maybe he doesn’t feel it is a strength of the Bears’ offensive talent (Fields and receivers). These receivers aren’t really route runners. They’re just mostly fringe talent run and go find it guys. Very fringy.
So you want him to throw players under the bus?
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So you want him to throw players under the bus?
I’d love to hear his explanation of why they don’t use more slants and crossing routes. He doesn’t have to name names. Maybe it’s just not a major part of his philosophy IDK.
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Also had Tee Higgins, Joe Mixon, and added Jamar Chase. Tyler Boyd is their 3rd best receiver and he’d be the best receiver on the Bears, even with Mooney healthy.
Joe Mixon is a guy like Montgomery
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I’d love to hear Getsy talk about this. Maybe he just doesn’t like slant routes. IDK. Or maybe he doesn’t feel it is a strength of the Bears’ offensive talent (Fields and receivers). These receivers aren’t really route runners. They’re just mostly fringe talent run and go find it guys. Very fringy.
You continue to discount to current limitations that the QB presents when this is raised.
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Joe Mixon is a guy like Montgomery
Only better.
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They also throw 2.5x as much as the Bears...
Despite the crap line.
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Only better.
How would we know? He never gets to run the ball much anymore and they don't throw it much to him either.
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Only better.
Not sure you could say that pre-Burrow either.
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He doesn’t have to name names.
Who you crappin'?
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So you want him to throw players under the bus?
Yes, he does but he knows Getsy won't do it so Tempo can continue this charade.
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Also had Tee Higgins, Joe Mixon, and added Jamar Chase. Tyler Boyd is their 3rd best receiver and he’d be the best receiver on the Bears, even with Mooney healthy.
None of that matters if the QB can't get the ball to the WRs, for one reason or another. But we have seen Burrow, in a similar situation, be able to do it.
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Mooney was predicted to have a breakout year by almost all publications, yet he has had a terrible season pre injury. He put up good numbers the previous years. Is it Mooney or Fields? You can’t catch balls you’re not thrown…
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Yes, he does but he knows Getsy won't do it so Tempo can continue this charade.
Maybe too soon to hand the title of dumbest take haver to Dom afterall.
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Mooney was predicted to have a breakout year by almost all publications,
Because they essentially had no one else.
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Not sure you could say that pre-Burrow either.
His numbers the two years before Burrow arrived were excellent.
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None of that matters if the QB can't get the ball to the WRs, for one reason or another. But we have seen Burrow, in a similar situation, be able to do it.
Tell me how having Higgins, Chase, and Boyd is “similar” to what Fields has. Also, as bad as their pass blocking was, the Bears’ is worse. Without question.
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Maybe too soon to hand the title of dumbest take haver to Dom afterall.
You know full well Getsy would do what he has to do to publicly cover for his players, especially the QB.
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Tell me how having Higgins, Chase, and Boyd is “similar” to what Fields has. Also, as bad as their pass blocking was, the Bears’ is worse. Without question.
If they had to block for Fields they could be viewed as worse.
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Is it Mooney or Fields? You can’t catch balls you’re not thrown…
I imagine there are a multitude of reasons for this. A couple of bizarre weather games don’t help. New personnel, worse play by Oline, Bears’ desire/lack of willingness to pass/strength of run game. Maybe Fields is part of the reason. There’s a lot that goes into it. It’s not just “one thing.”
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According to Pro Football reference Mooney’s catch rate is 7.8% better this year than last, so there’s that.
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If they had to block for Fields they could be viewed as worse.
Again, keep in mind, we’re comparing Fields to an absolute unicorn (who still had eons more talent to work with). And also didn’t have to learn a new system in year 2.
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Tell me how having Higgins, Chase, and Boyd is “similar” to what Fields has.
Things went really well for them under Andy Dalton, Ryan Findley, and Brandon Allen when they were 2 - 14 and 4-11-1, etc.
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You know full well Getsy would do what he has to do to publicly cover for his players, especially the QB.
He could simply say “it’s not a big part of my offense, or it doesn’t fit what I feel our strengths as a unit are (or any other multitude of reasons).” It doesn’t have to be a bus tossing of anyone.
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You’re making a mountain out of a molehill here.
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Again, keep in mind, we’re comparing Fields to an absolute unicorn (who still had eons more talent to work with). And also didn’t have to learn a new system in year 2.
You don't think Mooney, Pringle, Claypool, etc. would fare better with Burrow and the terrible Bengal O line?
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If they had to block for Fields they could be viewed as worse.
I literally struggle to think of a year where I’ve seen so many free shots at a QB. And that’s on a team that doesn’t throw a lot…
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You don't think Mooney, Pringle, Claypool, etc. would fare better with Burrow and the terrible Bengal O line?
Where in the fuck did I say that?
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He could simply say “it’s not a big part of my offense, or it doesn’t fit what I feel our strengths as a unit are (or any other multitude of reasons).”
And he could say that and we would still have no idea what he thinks of the QB. But we do know what he thinks by his actions: needs "live experience" when down 41-10, won't throw slants, rare play action (which is really weird but there was to be a reason), not rolling him out to try and avoid rush (again, befuddling, but there has to be a reason), not throwing to the RBs (again...)... they don't seem to trust him
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Where in the fuck did I say that?
I'm asking the question.
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And he could say that and we would still have no idea what he thinks of the QB. But we do know what he thinks by his actions: needs "live experience" when down 41-10, won't throw slants, rare play action (which is really weird but there was to be a reason), not rolling him out to try and avoid rush (again, befuddling, but there has to be a reason), not throwing to the RBs (again...)... they don't seem to trust him
Lol
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I'm asking the question.
Probably better. Defending AFC Champions? Highly doubt it.
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Lol
Their actions speak louder than any words.
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Maybe the rookie coaches are still working on getting better at their jobs as well? I don’t think Flus or Getsy have been error free this year. You just assume these coaches who have never won at any level at their positions have it all figured out.
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Throwing 38-42 times per game with this line would be borderline criminal. Could get Flus and Getsy jailed for conspiracy to commit battery.
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Maybe the rookie coaches are still working on getting better at their jobs as well? I don’t think Flus or Getsy have been error free this year. You just assume these coaches who have never won at any level at their positions have it all figured out.
Not calling slants, play action passes, throws to RBs, roll outs, is unrelated to them being "rookie" coaches. C'mon. You don't think Getsy knows what those are?
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Throwing 38-42 times per game with this line would be borderline criminal. Could get Flus and Getsy jailed for conspiracy to commit battery.
We can focus on the 10 to 20 times a game he does throw and they don't call any of that stuff as much as you think they would.
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Not calling slants, play action passes, throws to RBs, roll outs, is unrelated to them being "rookie" coaches. C'mon. You don't think Getsy knows what those are?
Of course he knows what they are. I’m sure Matt Nagy knows offensive theory very well, too. He still sucked balls and called too many plays that didn’t work all the fucking time. And continuously tried to fit square pegs into round holes.
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I mean, did you see the Browns game last year for Christ’s sake?
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We can focus on the 10 to 20 times a game he does throw and they don't call any of that stuff as much as you think they would.
It could also be a function of a rookie coach falling in love with the easy stuff that seems to “work.” Like calling 15 designed QB runs per game. I think Getsy has potential as an offensive coach, but I don’t think he’s a HOF play-caller just yet. Again, could be (and probably are) a multitude of factors at play. But you being the simpleton you are just what to lay all the blame at Fields’ feet.
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It could also be a function of a rookie coach falling in love with the easy stuff that seems to “work.” Like calling 15 designed QB runs per game. I think Getsy has potential as an offensive coach, but I don’t think he’s a HOF play-caller just yet. Again, could be (and probably are) a multitude of factors at play. But you being the simpleton you are just what to lay all the blame at Fields’ feet.
They had an NFL offense. They couldn't execute despite guys being open. It was terrible.
They switched to something that meets his limited skill set. Yet, you complain about that.
Plenty of post game Fields talk here from Hoge and some other dude.
https://youtu.be/3pzwh1_735M
What was the Claypool meltdown on the sideline?
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Just because Fields is running more by design doesn’t mean the passing plays are different.
Flus said taking Fields out of the game was talked about, but decided to keep him in for live reps (and he wanted to stay in).
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They had an NFL offense. They couldn't execute despite guys being open. It was terrible.
They switched to something that meets his limited skill set. Yet, you complain about that.
Plenty of post game Fields talk here from Hoge and some other dude.
https://youtu.be/3pzwh1_735M
What was the Claypool meltdown on the sideline?
Yes, because the skill sets of Pettis, St. Brown, Pringle, and Harry (and Claypool who can’t beat these guys out for snaps) is “unlimited.”
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Yes, because the skill sets of Pettis, St. Brown, Pringle, and Harry (and Claypool who can’t beat these guys out for snaps) is “unlimited.”
We saw the videos where guys were open but the QB was too slow making decisions and getting rid of the ball (which is still an issue).
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We saw the videos where guys were open but the QB was too slow making decisions and getting rid of the ball (which is still an issue).
Oh, kewl.
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Here’s an easy pick 6 against Minshew. But it was a great play by him because he “got rid of it quickly.” Also, I’m using PAMan logic here by using a random piece of evidence to support my opinion.
https://twitter.com/clayharbs82/status/1609652052564611072?s=46&t=8tRnBEd5pdDHw6XxlNHvJw
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Dave Wannatedt, who might know a thing or two about analyzing football says the offensive line “really struggled giving Justin time today.” That’s not to say Fields doesn’t sometimes hold the ball too long, absolutely he does.
https://twitter.com/nbcsbears/status/1609674884581310464?s=46&t=yoY0lTU1fuAFxxKd7zmZ8w
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Completely reasonable take. And they’d be 5th in sacks and probably last in pass attempts. Presented in picture form so PAMan doesn’t have to click the link.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vZSnwvP8/9-EC99084-90-DC-4-A97-90-D4-62273424350-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JsZ0bjVS)
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Here’s an easy pick 6 against Minshew. But it was a great play by him because he “got rid of it quickly.” Also, I’m using PAMan logic here by using a random piece of evidence to support my opinion.
https://twitter.com/clayharbs82/status/1609652052564611072?s=46&t=8tRnBEd5pdDHw6XxlNHvJw
It is fair to compare him to backup QBs, like Mitch Trubisky.
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Completely reasonable take. And they’d be 5th in sacks and probably last in pass attempts. Presented in picture form so PAMan doesn’t have to click the link.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vZSnwvP8/9-EC99084-90-DC-4-A97-90-D4-62273424350-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JsZ0bjVS)
Now do Burrow.
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Dave Wannatedt, who might know a thing or two about analyzing football says the offensive line “really struggled giving Justin time today.” That’s not to say Fields doesn’t sometimes hold the ball too long, absolutely he does.
https://twitter.com/nbcsbears/status/1609674884581310464?s=46&t=yoY0lTU1fuAFxxKd7zmZ8w
"Sometimes"?
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Yes, because the skill sets of Pettis, St. Brown, Pringle, and Harry (and Claypool who can’t beat these guys out for snaps) is “unlimited.”
But you did say they would be more productive with Joe Burrow and the Bengal crappy O line.
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Dom thinks the trade was dumb and torpedoed the season.
Bears were 12th in defense (yards per play) last year.
Bears are 30th in defense (yards per play) this year.
They absolutely made the defense worse. And the only way you can have any hope of winning games with a bottom 25% QB is to have a great defense.
So your dead money argument isn’t an argument. You can’t blame the prior regime for the defense going from 12 to 30.
Since Poles didn’t draft Fields there’s hope he moves on or trades him. Cardinals did it when they were in position to get Kyler and dump Josh Rosen
What is Fields trade value? You think any team would give up even a 2nd round pick for him?
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Bears were 12th in defense (yards per play) last year.
Bears are 30th in defense (yards per play) this year.
They absolutely made the defense worse. And the only way you can have any hope of winning games with a bottom 25% QB is to have a great defense.
So your dead money argument isn’t an argument. You can’t blame the prior regime for the defense going from 12 to 30.
Since Poles didn’t draft Fields there’s hope he moves on or trades him. Cardinals did it when they were in position to get Kyler and dump Josh Rosen
What is Fields trade value? You think any team would give up even a 2nd round pick for him?
He actually said a 6th or a 7th if there was a sucker out there. Yes, Tempo admits the Budding Superstar Wingback is only worth a 6th or 7th round draft pick if the other team has a sucker as a GM.
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Sounds like Tempo is going to be broken hearted if the Bears draft CJ Stroud and then move Fields into a Taysom Hill type role
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Sounds like Tempo is going to be broken hearted if the Bears draft CJ Stroud and then move Fields into a Taysom Hill type role
Lol I have zero worry or expectation of that happening.
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Lol I have zero worry or expectation of that happening.
But if you think Fields is a 6th round draft value, why are you so attached to him as QB?
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But if you think Fields is a 6th round draft value, why are you so attached to him as QB?
Because Bernstein and Parkins and The Twitter told him he is good. And Tariq Cohen saw him throw a pass against the Bear D in practice.
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But if you think Fields is a 6th round draft value, why are you so attached to him as QB?
I was CLEARLY being sarcastic. Which neither you nor PAMan picked up on.
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I was CLEARLY being sarcastic. Which neither you nor PAMan picked up on.
No you weren't
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No you weren't
You cannot be this dumb.
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You cannot be this dumb.
But you obviously are
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This thread fucking sucks
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This thread fucking sucks
Jobu recently said it might be the best in forum history. Doesn’t say much for the forum, I guess.
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It used to be pretty good, until PAMan dumbed it all the way down.
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Jobu recently said it might be the best in forum history. Doesn’t say much for the forum, I guess.
Oops, wrong thread. That was the 2023 Bears thread.
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Oops, wrong thread. That was the 2023 Bears thread.
Oops, this thread sucks even more now 😂
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I’m with Mn. If we could have just won that Detroit game and gotten the 4th pick, things would really be looking up!
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So Claypool is allegedly active, or so I think I’ve read. He is a ghost. Really wish we’d have gotten DJ Moore instead.
Earliest reference to DJ Moore ....
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Earliest reference to DJ Moore ....
Again, you’re being a Mooreon. You can’t fucking read.
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I’ve never seen someone who lets their own narrative so drastically affect what they read and hear (in non-political settings).
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I’ve never seen someone who lets their own narrative so drastically affect what they read and hear (in non-political settings).
Just said first reference to Moore....
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Just said first reference to Moore....
Wut