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General Category => Halas Hall Football Forum => Topic started by: Reacher on November 23, 2022, 09:17:38 AM
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Thoughts, PAMan?
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Per Schefter, Zach Wilson being benched. Wonder if they would rather have Justin Fields right about now…
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PAMan’s non-response response was unwittingly to him the perfect “response.” It shows his unwillingness to acknowledge that I haven’t yet anointed him 1st team All-Pro or even a consistent pocket passer yet.
PAMan hears what he hears in his own head, and no other voice, no matter how reasonable or qualified registers with him.
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And again, my avatar is not a declaration that Justin Fields is quarterback Jesus, but represents PAMan’s unrealistic expectations of him.
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Having said that, in JFC we trust…
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This guy has been doing some really good and fair analysis on Justin Fields and the Bears. Here he talks about wanting to see more anticipation from Fields, which is totally fair.
https://twitter.com/theqbschool/status/1595167739546464256?s=46&t=NZPKgB_yx_BjYmbOj9iGRg
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https://twitter.com/theqbschool/status/1595182841104502784?s=46&t=NZPKgB_yx_BjYmbOj9iGRg
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https://twitter.com/theqbschool/status/1595197937998389249?s=46&t=NZPKgB_yx_BjYmbOj9iGRg
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https://twitter.com/theqbschool/status/1595213036620435458?s=46&t=NZPKgB_yx_BjYmbOj9iGRg
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https://twitter.com/theqbschool/status/1595228136400109568?s=46&t=NZPKgB_yx_BjYmbOj9iGRg
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Lots of good (and fair) analysis in the above links for those interested.
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Thoughts, PAMan?
Not to spoil anything, but he is ignoring you and watching you talk to yourself. It’s entertaining.
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Not to spoil anything, but he is ignoring you and watching you talk to yourself. It’s entertaining.
He’s ignoring me because he thinks he has the only valid opinion on Fields. And I’m also entertained by his arrogance. And he’s not actually ignoring me, because I can promise you he’s read this thread.
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He’s commented many times on every other thread EVER on this subject, but he’s “ignoring me” in this thread. Man, PAMan is really winning this fight. Lol
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Not to spoil anything, but he is ignoring you and watching you talk to yourself. It’s entertaining.
LOL. Was hoping it would only be Tempo continuing to try and convince himself that JFC is actually a quarterback.
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LOL. Was hoping it would only be Tempo continuing to try and convince himself that JFC is actually a quarterback.
See, the troll showed up.
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See, the troll showed up.
You complain that I don't post then complain when I post. That is pure Tempo taking both sides.
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You complain that I don't post then complain when I post. That is pure Tempo taking both sides.
No complaints. I knew the troll would show up.
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No complaints. I knew the troll would show up.
You specifically noted that I had not posted. You can't have it both ways.
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You specifically noted that I had not posted. You can't have it both ways.
You didn’t until I called you out. And you still haven’t acknowledged the fact that I’ve readily admitted Fields needs to improve as a passer.
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You didn’t until I called you out. And you still haven’t acknowledged the fact that I’ve readily admitted Fields needs to improve as a passer.
Glad you are facing reality finally
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Glad you are facing reality finally
I admitted this weeks (months) ago genius.
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I admitted this weeks (months) ago genius.
Let us know when you admit he isn't a QB
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Let us know when you admit he isn't a QB
Wish there was room for this on my sig.
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Wish there was room for this on my sig.
The only smart content in your posts is the sig!
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At least we’ve finally found a quarterback. All hail Trevor Siemian.
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At least we’ve finally found a quarterback. All hail Trevor Siemian.
Has trash line, trash receivers and trash coaching!
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Has trash line, trash receivers and trash coaching!
Only had a week to prepare and took a pre-game shot !
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Only had a week to prepare and took a pre-game shot !
Good points. The excuses are flowing, just like they do for The Wingback.
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Good points. The excuses are flowing, just like they do for The Wingback.
If Siemian had 14 more carries the game might have been closer.
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At least we’ve finally found a quarterback. All h... Trevor Siemian.
fify
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Has trash line, trash receivers and trash coaching!
YTBD about the coaching part, but the rest is undeniably true.
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YTBD about the coaching part, but the rest is undeniably true.
C'mon, the coaching has been bad. Where were the blitzes against Mike White in his, what, 4th start ever? Mike White stood back there and picked the D apart for over 300 yards. No effective 2d half adjustments on either side of the ball. Judy was right that the second half offensively looked like how the 4th quarters have looked.
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What if Tempo gave half the fucks for the Illini that he does for the corporate Chicago Bears who lose on purpose?
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If Siemian had 14 more carries the game might have been closer.
I blame Getsy, not Siemian’s running ability. Even he shocked Tempo with his running prowess! That’s a tall hurdle!
Don’t worry, Tempo will hear about it tomorrow morning on ESPN First Take and tell us about it!
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No Tempo post on the graphic about Fields and Rogers each not having thrown for 300 yards in 11 consecutive starts?
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What if Tempo gave half the fucks for the Illini that he does for the corporate Chicago Bears who lose on purpose?
Lol. I still give some fucks for Illini Basketball. Isn’t that enough?
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If Siemian had 14 more carries the game might have been closer.
You are REALLY bad at this. At least PAMan is a high quality troll.
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I blame Getsy, not Siemian’s running ability. Even he shocked Tempo with his running prowess! That’s a tall hurdle!
Don’t worry, Tempo will hear about it tomorrow morning on ESPN First Take and tell us about it!
I’d be willing to bet you’ve watched a lot more ESPN than I have in the last 10 years. I literally only watch it for MNF.
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No Tempo post on the graphic about Fields and Rogers each not having thrown for 300 yards in 11 consecutive starts?
Just gotta start averaging 15 yards per completion! Easy peasy! Joe Burrow led the league last year with 8.9.
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I blame Getsy, not Siemian’s running ability. Even he shocked Tempo with his running prowess! That’s a tall hurdle!
Don’t worry, Tempo will hear about it tomorrow morning on ESPN First Take and tell us about it!
“Prowess” is really overselling it. “Reasonable mobility” is more apt.
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Justin Fields comes in at #21 in the ESPN Top 25 under 25 list…
(https://i.ibb.co/QrDXGXh/0-E991918-6-E24-485-C-A8-D1-02328-BB2-CDEE.png) (https://ibb.co/MMB9L9K)
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Justin Fields comes in at #21 in the ESPN Top 25 under 25 list…
(https://i.ibb.co/QrDXGXh/0-E991918-6-E24-485-C-A8-D1-02328-BB2-CDEE.png) (https://ibb.co/MMB9L9K)
Rex Ryan looks like even more of a doofus than normal, lol.
Would be a great avatar. I might snag that for a later date.
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Just gotta start averaging 15 yards per completion! Easy peasy! Joe Burrow led the league last year with 8.9.
Do you mean yards per attempt?
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Do you mean yards per attempt?
Yes. That’s what I meant.
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PAMan’s guy Trent Dilfer with some interesting thoughts on the Bears’ offense and Justin Fields.
https://go.audacy.com/LRThIh0Ikvb
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LOL. Was hoping it would only be Tempo continuing to try and convince himself that JFC is actually a quarterback.
“I expect him to pull it together.” - PAMan 4/29/23
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Let us know when you admit he isn't a QB
“I expect him to pull it together.” - PAMan (aka model of consistency) 4/29/23
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Good points. The excuses are flowing, just like they do for The Wingback.
“I expect him to pull it together.” - PAMan
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All true. I expect him to perform well. I doubt he will.
I expect to be as disappointed in JFC's performance as you are that the Bear did not get Bijon Robinson.
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All true. I expect him to perform well. I doubt he will.
I expect to be as disappointed in JFC's performance as you are that the Bear did not get Bijon Robinson.
Again. Why would you “expect” it to happen when you’ve spent the last 9 months screaming from the mountain top he’s not an NFL QB or ever will be. Once I realized Mitch was terrible I had no expectations. You literally shouted down the notion he could improve this year probably 20-30x.
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“I was against Justin Fields before I was for him.” - ThePAMan
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“I was for Justin Fields before I was against him. Now I’m for him again (sort of).” -ThePAMan
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Grown ass man gets new job in field of choice. Grown ass man is expected to perform to expectations for said job description.
Grown ass man may or may not meet expectations.
It's really not this difficult to understand.
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Grown ass man gets new job in field of choice. Grown ass man is expected to perform to expectations for said job description.
Grown ass man may or may not meet expectations.
It's really not this difficult to understand.
We’re talking about PAMan. Is it not pretty silly to “expect” someone to improve when you’ve spent the last 9 months shooting down the mere possibility he could?
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We’re talking about PAMan. Is it not pretty silly to “expect” someone to improve when you’ve spent the last 9 months shooting down the mere possibility he could?
If he puts in time with film and works on his technique, it's possible. It also may not happen.
Squats isn't the answer.
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If he puts in time with film and works on his technique, it's possible. It also may not happen.
Squats isn't the answer.
I need video/editorial proof that he’s watching film. Also, don’t let PAMan hear you say that about squats.
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I need video/editorial proof that he’s watching film. Also, don’t let PAMan hear you say that about squats.
You'll get some idea starting in September. Unless you've made up your mind that he's going to have a great year.
Not that you would do that.
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You'll get some idea starting in September. Unless you've made up your mind that he's going to have a great year.
Not that you would do that.
No, I haven’t. I’m hopeful. It’s entirely in the range of outcomes that I’ll be “disappointed” (oh, shit that word again!) with the results.
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We’re talking about PAMan. Is it not pretty silly to “expect” someone to improve when you’ve spent the last 9 months shooting down the mere possibility he could?
You’re a military man, so you should know it’s not silly. Boot camp, special forces selection training, etc… can show you that tearing down people and then expecting them to improve actually works.
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You’re a military man, so you should know it’s not silly. Boot camp, special forces selection training, etc… can show you that tearing down people and then expecting them to improve actually works.
Lol
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#SeniorDrillInstructorPAMan
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Lol
Spark *might* be impressed with Judge Judy's nuanced and layered thinking here. You obviously are not.
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#SeniorDrillInstructorPAMan
I like it! You probably would be disappointed if I failed to meet expectations though.
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PAMan: making quarterbacks out of shitbirds from the block since???
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PAMan: making quarterbacks out of shitbirds from the block since???
I was just contacted by Ohio State to work with them.
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Lol
😂 now drop down and give me 20, bitch!
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😂 now drop down and give me 20, bitch!
I thought the drill sergeants always called them "maggots"?
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Aaron Rodgers too busy screwing around to read the Jet playbook. Last night at the Ranger game and today at the Knicks game. Hope he sucks this year.
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Aaron Rodgers too busy screwing around to read the Jet playbook. Last night at the Ranger game and today at the Knicks game. Hope he sucks this year.
The Jet playbook is the same as the Packer playbook. Hackett is their OC. Aaron Rodgers is the playbook.
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The Jet playbook is the same as the Packer playbook. Hackett is their OC. Aaron Rodgers is the playbook.
Undoubtedly true. But he may have to learn different terminology!
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Undoubtedly true. But he may have to learn different terminology!
Wouldn’t think so. Hackett is their OC. Not sure if you caught my edit. I’m guessing it’s the same exact offense he’s been running for 4 years.
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Wouldn’t think so. Hackett is their OC. Not sure if you caught my edit. I’m guessing it’s the same exact offense he’s been running for 4 years.
They have to change up the terminology and hand signals, don't you think?
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They have to change up the terminology and hand signals, don't you think?
I’m guessing he doesn’t need to skip the Ranger game to handle that. Heard he went jogging with Wayne McClain, too.
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I’m guessing he doesn’t need to skip the Ranger game to handle that. Heard he went jogging with Wayne McClain, too.
Didn't he die 10 years ago?
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Didn't he die 10 years ago?
Yes. He is definitely dead.
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Yes. He is definitely dead.
Didn't Bruce Willis play John McClain in Die Hard?
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Didn't he die 10 years ago?
Yes. But they were seen jogging together. Don’t tell me you, the HQ historian don't remember the joke.
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Yes. But they were seen jogging together. Don’t tell me you, the HQ historian don't remember the joke.
Got me there. Probably killed those brain cells while at a bar while complaining about my family.
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Got me there. Probably killed those brain cells while at a bar while complaining about my family.
One day someone reported they saw Wayne McClain out jogging. Someone chimed in “why is he jogging when he should be out recruiting?!” I think they were even serious. It became a running joke for a good while.
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One day someone reported they saw Wayne McClain out jogging. Someone chimed in “why is he jogging when he should be out recruiting?!” I think they were even serious. It became a running joke for a good while.
Haha. That's funny. Good recall!
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I leg pressed 500 lbs 10 times today. I could probably back up JFC.
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I leg pressed 500 lbs 10 times today. I could probably back up JFC.
No wonder you get so much high quality pussy.
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I leg pressed 500 lbs 10 times today. I could probably back up JFC.
Need video.
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I’d post if I knew how to do a video
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Because I did take a video. I didn’t think I’d be able to do it.
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I’d post if I knew how to do a video
Maybe Dom can upload it to his YouTube channel and post it for you?
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Tempo, the draft thread is somehow locked.
To answer your question, my comment re the Lawrence draft being a one man draft (after JFC was said to be the 2d pick if the draft had been done again) brought the wrath of Spark, which degenerated into psycho analysis between the 3 of us with Jobu claiming he was staying out of it before there were kumbaya moments.
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"I made a stupid comment and spark wondered when I became such an idiot"
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"I made a stupid comment and spark wondered when I became such an idiot"
If JFC is the second best player in that draft, that draft sucks ass.
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Tempo, the draft thread is somehow locked.
To answer your question, my comment re the Lawrence draft being a one man draft (after JFC was said to be the 2d pick if the draft had been done again) brought the wrath of Spark, which degenerated into psycho analysis between the 3 of us with Jobu claiming he was staying out of it before there were kumbaya moments.
Haha, that's a pretty good summary of whatever the fuck that was the other night.
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If JFC is the second best player in that draft, that draft sucks ass.
But yet you “expect” him to pull it together and lead the Bears to the Super Bowl. You sound like a totally reasonable person.
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If JFC is the second best player in that draft, that draft sucks ass.
If you're judging a quarterback on his first 25 starts you're an idiot. And even more, if you watched last year and don't see why people are high on Fields, you weren't watching very closely.
I bet even Tempo will agree with me this time.
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In the same way that Tempo better hope Fields is great, PAMan you really better hope Justin Fields sucks ass.
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If you're judging a quarterback on his first 25 starts you're an idiot. And even more, if you watched last year and don't see why people are high on Fields, you weren't watching very closely.
I bet even Tempo will agree with me this time.
He somehow has a very difficult time remembering all the way back as far as 2021, and 2019 when Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen weren’t thought of as “good passers.”
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If you're judging a quarterback on his first 25 starts you're an idiot. And even more, if you watched last year and don't see why people are high on Fields, you weren't watching very closely.
I bet even Tempo will agree with me this time.
It didn’t “look” exactly like PAMan expects it to, therefore he “sucks.” Even if Fields never improves much as a passer, I think he’s shown he can at least be a viable starter in the NFL as long as his athleticism allows him to make plays. He was basically the best running quarterback we’ve ever seen last year. Better than even Lamar and Vick.
Made some splash plays as a passer, but obviously would like to see him be more consistent and polished through the air. Hopefully he’ll make a nice jump as a passer now that there is significantly more NFL talent around him. Wonder if Lamar would have been MVP if he’d had a bad line, rookie coaches, a WR room led by Byron Pringle, all while learning a new offense.
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I saw a puff quote from Eberflus today about how impressed he's been with Fields' improvement in the short and medium passing games - that oughta make PAMan feel better.
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Joe Burrow out there making things look easy basically elevating his team in a way we’ve never really seen from a 24 year old quarterback has really skewed “expectations.”
Trevor Lawrence looked pretty close to a bust the first half of last year. He looked a lot more like the guy they drafted him to be the 2nd half of the season, though.
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If you're judging a quarterback on his first 25 starts you're an idiot. And even more, if you watched last year and don't see why people are high on Fields, you weren't watching very closely.
I bet even Tempo will agree with me this time.
Yet, the people redoing the draft and claiming he should have been the second pick are doing exactly what you are counseling me against.
Maybe in 5 years things will look different. Right now, no, he does not look like he should have been the 2d pick in any draft unless it was a draft of HQ2 posters.
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In the same way that Tempo better hope Fields is great, PAMan you really better hope Justin Fields sucks ass.
I hope I'm wrong. Otherwise this will be year 3 of watching shit ass QB'ing.
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Yet, the people redoing the draft and claiming he should have been the second pick are doing exactly what you are counseling me against.
Maybe in 5 years things will look different. Right now, no, he does not look like he should have been the 2d pick in any draft unless it was a draft of HQ2 posters.
He’d have been better off holding a clipboard next to Getsy.
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I saw a puff quote from Eberflus today about how impressed he's been with Fields' improvement in the short and medium passing games - that oughta make PAMan feel better.
Yes, it marginally does.
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He’d have been better off holding a clipboard next to Getsy.
If Getsy knows what he is going, yes. Worked for Aaron Rodgers.
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I hope I'm wrong. Otherwise this will be year 3 of watching shit ass QB'ing.
You’ve been watching it for most of your 57 years (or whatever it is). What we saw last year was better than 90% of it.
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If Getsy knows what he is going, yes. Worked for Aaron Rodgers.
Rodgers was great long before Luke Getsy became their quarterback coach (not even OC). Rodgers in 2010 (I think it was) was as good as any year I’d seen a QB have. Should we credit Getsy for that?
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But yet you “expect” him to pull it together and lead the Bears to the Super Bowl. You sound like a totally reasonable person.
Yes, I expect him to meet the expectations all you guys on The Twitter and 670theGOP (h/t Tempo34!) have placed on him as The Franchise QB....
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Rodgers was great long before Luke Getsy became their quarterback coach (not even OC). Rodgers in 2010 (I think it was) was as good as any year I’d seen a QB have. Should we credit Getsy for that?
No. So does that mean The Bear is fucked?
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Might have been 2009. Wanna say it was the year before they won the Super Bowl. Rodgers was unbelievable even though his line was bad.
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No. So does that mean The Bear is fucked?
No, it means let’s see how this develops with some actual NFL talent before coming to any hard conclusions.
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He somehow has a very difficult time remembering all the way back as far as 2021, and 2019 when Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen weren’t thought of as “good passers.”
I remember. I just don't know if they were sitting around watching NBA basketball instead of hitting the books.
Allen still has accuracy problems. Hurts had one year. Will see how they do going forward, won't we?
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Might have been 2009. Wanna say it was the year before they won the Super Bowl. Rodgers was unbelievable even though his line was bad.
Because he could use his mobility to actually still throw the ball instead of just running it?
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Because he could use his mobility to actually still throw the ball instead of just running it?
Wonder if Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, and Ahman Green helped at all in that regard.
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Because he could use his mobility to actually still throw the ball instead of just running it?
He was also like in his 4th year in the system.
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Because he could use his mobility to actually still throw the ball instead of just running it?
My bad, 5th year in the system.
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A Justin Fields report for PAMan! He’s “been spotted at the building often, and working hard on short and timing throws! Mechanics look clean!” No word on how much tape he’s watched…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zxyN_eaq6s
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Did 30 reps of 500 lbs on the leg press today. I’m ready for camp.
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Did 30 reps of 500 lbs on the leg press today. I’m ready for camp.
Betting you can throw a good ball in the flat.
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Betting you can throw a good ball in the flat.
I got a good arm, but I’d need to watch some film before I get thrown into action.
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I got a good arm, but I’d need to watch some film before I get thrown into action.
You sound qualified to be Fields’ backup, at least.
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NFL offenses have evolved a bit since my HS glory days of the late 90s running the full house backfield.
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NFL offenses have evolved a bit since my HS glory days of the late 90s running the full house backfield.
Would you call yourself a “wingback?” If so, you’re perfect.
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Would you call yourself a “wingback?” If so, you’re perfect.
Maybe but the Bears don’t need another one of those so I’m trying to focus on pocket passing presence
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Maybe but the Bears don’t need another one of those so I’m trying to focus on pocket passing presence
But they wouldn’t have to change the offense for ya.
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Maybe but the Bears don’t need another one of those so I’m trying to focus on pocket passing presence
Question. If the Bears signed a female coach would you play for them? Or refuse to out of principle?
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Maybe but the Bears don’t need another one of those so I’m trying to focus on pocket passing presence
Can you call a play if need be ?