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General Category => Halas Hall Football Forum => Topic started by: Judge Judy on June 30, 2022, 01:01:11 PM
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It appears they will be sometime in the near future. Possibly 2024…
https://www.espn.com/college-football/
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This is incredibly stupid and another illustration of how the B1G's conference expansion has had no long-term strategy vs. short-term money grabs.
What is the coherent end-game by adding Rutgers, Nebraska, and USC/UCLA, other than creating a conference that makes no sense? If you're going to do that, may as well invite Washington, Colorado, Arizona, a Texas school, BYU, Oklahoma State, and Kansas because you're not really a conference as much as a league.
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This is incredibly stupid and another illustration of how the B1G's conference expansion has had no long-term strategy vs. short-term money grabs.
What is the coherent end-game by adding Rutgers, Nebraska, and USC/UCLA, other than creating a conference that makes no sense? If you're going to do that, may as well invite Washington, Colorado, Arizona, a Texas school, BYU, Oklahoma State, and Kansas because you're not really a conference as much as a league.
the point, is money
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This is incredibly stupid and another illustration of how the B1G's conference expansion has had no long-term strategy vs. short-term money grabs.
What is the coherent end-game by adding Rutgers, Nebraska, and USC/UCLA, other than creating a conference that makes no sense? If you're going to do that, may as well invite Washington, Colorado, Arizona, a Texas school, BYU, Oklahoma State, and Kansas because you're not really a conference as much as a league.
C'mon Calvin, it is all about the Benjamins. This will be another financial windfall for Guenther Jr. to do nothing with to help the football team.
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the point, is money
Let's not be naïve here.
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I, for one, welcome two more football teams to the league that will beat us consistently. At least Illinois will get to The Rose Bowl again in my lifetime.
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Interesting.
But what does that do to the Rose Bowl game, other than making it another conference tilt when not hosting the Nati ?
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We’re gonna have two super conferences. SEC and the Big WayMoreThanTen.
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4 super conferences of 16 teams. 64 teams for post season hoops and 12-16 for post season fb.
Work out new tv rights.
See ya, NCAA. Been nice knowing you.
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It appears they will be sometime in the near future. Possibly 2024…
https://www.espn.com/college-football/
Sheesh. If they were going to go insane why not Cal and Stanford. Better academics (not by much, but better) and then I could go see the Illini down the street.
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Sheesh. If they were going to go insane why not Cal and Stanford. Better academics (not by much, but better) and then I could go see the Illini down the street.
Speaking of which some friends of mine were out in Sonoma recently and spent a night in Healdsburg. I asked them if they encountered any obnoxious cyclists but they couldn’t recall any.
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Speaking of which some friends of mine were out in Sonoma recently and spent a night in Healdsburg. I asked them if they encountered any obnoxious cyclists but they couldn’t recall any.
Because there were so many?
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Not a good day for anyone not named tO$U or MI. 2 LA area teams flush with B1G cash and exposure are going to kill it. Iowa, Wisconsin, etc. will be right there with Illinois sucking ass in football.
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If it's pure money, they had better plays. The Pac TV deal sucks in part because wear coast sports markets have fractional value compared to the south and east.
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4 super conferences of 16 teams. 64 teams for post season hoops and 12-16 for post season fb.
Work out new tv rights.
See ya, NCAA. Been nice knowing you.
that's what I've been saying for like 10 years now lol, just happening a bit slower than I anticipated
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If it's pure money, they had better plays. The Pac TV deal sucks in part because wear coast sports markets have fractional value compared to the south and east.
What better plays are there? B1G football is completely overrated. They get B1G money and B1G exposure nationwide. They probably are able to present great NIL opprtunities now. They have awesome weather and hot cheerleaders who aren't grazing on artificial turf like in Champaign, Madison, or bumfuck Iowa. The opportunity for them to kill it is within reach.
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that's what I've been saying for like 10 years now lol, just happening a bit slower than I anticipated
Same, but I never put a timeline on it.
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Same, but I never put a timeline on it.
You two get to split a Tempo AOTC Award....
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What better plays are there? B1G football is completely overrated. They get B1G money and B1G exposure nationwide. They probably are able to present great NIL opprtunities now. They have awesome weather and hot cheerleaders who aren't grazing on artificial turf like in Champaign, Madison, or bumfuck Iowa. The opportunity for them to kill it is within reach.
If your goal is media market expansion with sun and better football, I would pitch Clemson and Florida State. I'd also advocate for UNC and Goergia Tech and would gladly kick out Rutgers and Nebraska.
I assume Notre Dame told them no, but obviously you ask.
For west coast teams, UW and Oregon both have higher program valuations than UCLA and USC. LA sucks as a college sports market.
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If your goal is media market expansion with sun and better football, I would pitch Clemson and Florida State. I'd also advocate for UNC and Goergia Tech and would gladly kick out Rutgers and Nebraska.
I assume Notre Dame told them no, but obviously you ask.
For west coast teams, UW and Oregon both have higher program valuations than UCLA and USC. LA sucks as a college sports market.
Yeah, I feel like the ACC is going to die. SEC and B1G will swallow them up.
As far as ND, they will either join the B1G or get left out in the cold.
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If your goal is media market expansion with sun and better football, I would pitch Clemson and Florida State. I'd also advocate for UNC and Goergia Tech and would gladly kick out Rutgers and Nebraska.
I assume Notre Dame told them no, but obviously you ask.
For west coast teams, UW and Oregon both have higher program valuations than UCLA and USC. LA sucks as a college sports market.
Bullshit. USC is THE pro football team in LA. There are more Walmart Trojans out there than Walmart Wolverines in the State of Michigan.
You would rather have the Carolinas, Tallahassee, Washington state, and Oregon markets over the second largest media market in the US? What are you drinking/smoking?
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Yeah, I feel like the ACC is going to die. SEC and B1G will swallow them up.
As far as ND, they will either join the B1G or get left out in the cold.
As long as ND has its own football TV deal (that they like), it doesn't care. That may change soon.
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As long as ND has its own football TV deal (that they like), it doesn't care. That may change soon.
If these conferences get huge, non con football will probably be a thing of the past. Who's gonna play ND then, if they're not in a conference?
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Yeah, I feel like the ACC is going to die. SEC and B1G will swallow them up.
As far as ND, they will either join the B1G or get left out in the cold.
We're headed down to two: The Union Conference and The Confederacy Conference. Just change the names now and be done with it.
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4 super conferences of 16 teams. 64 teams for post season hoops and 12-16 for post season fb.
Work out new tv rights.
See ya, NCAA. Been nice knowing you.
If the Big 10 stays with 16 teams, I’d welcome changing the basketball schedule around to playing every team twice. There’s your 30 game regular season. It’d add legitimacy to conference titles too. Plus it’d eliminate all the shitty directional school games which in theory will make season tickets more valuable.
I think this move will hurt USC/UCLA a lot in recruiting non revenue sports. Not many athletes will want to be traveling across time zones so often for games. I think they counting on more west coast teams being added so that lessens the burden.
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If the Big 10 stays with 16 teams, I’d welcome changing the basketball schedule around to playing every team twice. There’s your 30 game regular season. It’d add legitimacy to conference titles too. Plus it’d eliminate all the shitty directional school games which in theory will make season tickets more valuable.
I think this move will hurt USC/UCLA a lot in recruiting non revenue sports. Not many athletes will want to be traveling across time zones so often for games. I think they counting on more west coast teams being added so that lessens the burden.
You are a dumbass. USC and UCLA don't give a crap about non revenue sports. When did you become as stupid as JudgeJudy?
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Bullshit. USC is THE pro football team in LA. There are more Walmart Trojans out there than Walmart Wolverines in the State of Michigan.
Only when USC is good.
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Man fuck that. The B1G season is a bad enough grind as it is. Imagine playing basically your entire schedule against the same teams every year. If this comes to pass I hope our west coast road trips treat us better then they have historically treated the Sox.
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Imagine playing basically your entire schedule against the same teams every year.
That’s what pro sports are and it appears college sports are going to follow the same model.
Season ticket holders would love it. You’d get 15 Power 5 home opponents. Big TV matchups all season.
The goal should be eliminating the need to ever play a team beneath your level. There’s no reason Illinois should play Jackson State, Longwood, Chicago State ever again if they are part of a 16 team conference.
Plus, this is all about selling TV rights to games. The more conference games the more valuable the TV deal will be. I see conference basketball games going to at least 24 games initially and maybe more. Football could be a full 12 games within the conference. No more paying directional schools for wins
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Bullshit. USC is THE pro football team in LA. There are more Walmart Trojans out there than Walmart Wolverines in the State of Michigan.
You would rather have the Carolinas, Tallahassee, Washington state, and Oregon markets over the second largest media market in the US? What are you drinking/smoking?
1. Why does the Pac TV deal suck despite dominating media markets 2, 6, 11, and 12? How did the B1G even survive pre-Rutgers and Maryland?
2. Have you ever actually seen apparel sales numbers?
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You ever watch PAC ball games? No one is there, even for pretty big games. I’d say fan/cultural apathy ranks pretty high on the list.
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1. Why does the Pac TV deal suck despite dominating media markets 2, 6, 11, and 12? How did the B1G even survive pre-Rutgers and Maryland?
2. Have you ever actually seen apparel sales numbers?
1. All West Coast 6 and 12 don't come close to making up for East Coast footprint. The B1G is thriving because it has an East Coast footprint for the BTN now. This is not rocket surgery.
2. I've been to 2 Rose Bowls and seen enough of them, been out to CA enough the past 40 years to see enough of them, and have plenty of family members who are Walmart Trojans
What you got?
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You ever watch PAC ball games? No one is there, even for pretty big games. I’d say fan/cultural apathy ranks pretty high on the list.
well if they aren't attending the games in person, think of how many are watching the games on the TV!!! $$$
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1. All West Coast 6 and 12 don't come close to making up for East Coast footprint. The B1G is thriving because it has an East Coast footprint for the BTN now. This is not rocket surgery.
2. I've been to 2 Rose Bowls and seen enough of them, been out to CA enough the past 40 years to see enough of them, and have plenty of family members who are Walmart Trojans
What you got?
https://www.licenseglobal.com/sports/clc-names-top-selling-universities
Let me know if you see UCLA or USC on this list. The west coast teams are notorious in apparel sales for not selling as well as midwestn, southern, and east coast teams. Applies in the pros as well.
In terms of market, the B1G was in better financial shape before adding Rutgers or Maryland, and if it's all about TV markets, the ACC's failure to work while controlling the entire Boston-DC corridor, Atlanta, and Florida would need explaining.
My point isn't that they're irrelevant, it's that the conference is grossly overvaluing the LA college brands and TV pull. Imo, the whole thing is taking easy money now and destroying long-term value that took decades to build.
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https://www.licenseglobal.com/sports/clc-names-top-selling-universities
Let me know if you see UCLA or USC on this list. The west coast teams are notorious in apparel sales for not selling as well as midwestn, southern, and east coast teams. Applies in the pros as well.
In terms of market, the B1G was in better financial shape before adding Rutgers or Maryland, and if it's all about TV markets, the ACC's failure to work while controlling the entire Boston-DC corridor, Atlanta, and Florida would need explaining.
My point isn't that they're irrelevant, it's that the conference is grossly overvaluing the LA college brands and TV pull. Imo, the whole thing is taking easy money now and destroying long-term value that took decades to build.
2013-2014 sales numbers, but ok.
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This conference shuffle is essentially a proxy war between ESPN and Fox. It's possible that the remnants of the Big 12 and PAC combine and go for the highest bidder. It'd be a helluva hoops group!
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You ever watch PAC ball games? No one is there, even for pretty big games. I’d say fan/cultural apathy ranks pretty high on the list.
Then perhaps Illinois should be in the Pac 12. You know, birds of a feather. At least for football.
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Oh shit! This is bigger news than finding Wayne Whitlock!
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That's good stuff.
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https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2022/08/19/big-ten-football-expansion-misery-index-ucla-brady-hoke/7838810001/
"the University of California Regents realized they might have some say in what conference UCLA competes in, or at least some say over how many 9 a.m. Pacific time kickoffs they can stand."
'might'