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General Category => The Deuce => Topic started by: Dominic on February 27, 2022, 03:57:32 PM

Title: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Dominic on February 27, 2022, 03:57:32 PM
Should the US intervene?  Or just let Putin take over Europe and say who gives a shit?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: IlliniGolf on February 27, 2022, 11:36:16 PM
This probably over everyone’s heads (esp Tempo and PAThey) here but check it out anyways !

https://niccolo.substack.com/p/fuck-it-russias-final-break-with?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=url
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on February 28, 2022, 07:16:33 AM
This probably over everyone’s heads (esp Tempo and PAThey) here but check it out anyways !

https://niccolo.substack.com/p/fuck-it-russias-final-break-with?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=url

You really wonder why Ukraine turned to "stealth" NATOing after Crimea and what happened in the Russian dominated sections? Ok....who is invading Moscow or overthrowing Putin any time soon? Standard Russian wack job paranoia as seen throughout history.

One outcome of this is that Putin is now turning his neighbors TO NATO. He's a loser. Just like you. And IdiotJudy.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on February 28, 2022, 01:28:43 PM
https://www.theonion.com/russian-soldiers-guns-tanks-vanish-into-thin-air-as-f-1848595481
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on February 28, 2022, 01:30:16 PM
This one is maybe a little too on-the-nose:

https://www.theonion.com/world-leaders-vow-regular-people-just-trying-to-live-th-1848590836
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Dominic on February 28, 2022, 01:31:49 PM
Putin claimed once that the Ukrainian President was a nazi, and that he’s justified in attacking.  Also thinking NATO if they are positioned directly across Russian borders would attack them is also quite crazy thinking.

I do find it odd that the US defended Kuwait when Iraq invaded, but is doing nothing here.  I think Russia invading Ukraine is a bigger problem for US interests than Iraq was in the Middle East.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on February 28, 2022, 04:38:25 PM
Putin claimed once that the Ukrainian President was a nazi, and that he’s justified in attacking.  Also thinking NATO if they are positioned directly across Russian borders would attack them is also quite crazy thinking.

I do find it odd that the US defended Kuwait when Iraq invaded, but is doing nothing here.  I think Russia invading Ukraine is a bigger problem for US interests than Iraq was in the Middle East.
Iraq = no nukes
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: fucking on February 28, 2022, 07:29:45 PM
Standard Russian wack job paranoia as seen throughout history.
The glossed-over explanation of western cultural "imperialism" is, I hope, the best part. 'cause that's where I stopped reading.

But who knows, maybe Golf truly is angry about capitalism, free trade, voting, etc.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on March 01, 2022, 03:09:51 PM
Iraq = no nukes

Good thing we made sure.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on March 01, 2022, 03:10:25 PM
Pat Robertson = Golf is a match.

https://www.salon.com/2022/03/01/pat-robertson-putin-is-being-compelled-by-god-to-invade-ukraine-and-fulfill-biblical-prophecy_partner/
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: IlliniGolf on March 02, 2022, 03:34:47 PM
Good stuff here if you like a little perspective !

https://www.rt.com/news/550990-us-nato-sanctions-wars/
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on March 02, 2022, 03:45:48 PM
Good stuff here if you like a little perspective !

https://www.rt.com/news/550990-us-nato-sanctions-wars/

So citing Russia Today just confirms that Golf is, and always has been, a Soviet Troll Farm worker dude, right? Comrade Golf, you are not on the promotion track if you are stuck trolling HQ and HQ2. Sorry, bud.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: IlliniGolf on March 02, 2022, 03:48:11 PM
Something seems off about this debacle !

We had better footage of Desert Storm in 1991 than we do in 2022 !?!?

Got reporters standing on top of buildings reporting bombs are falling yet there’s nothing going on in background except traffic and people walking.

Lots of pictures of supposed damage being thrown out on social media saying it’s Ukraine then people find out it is old/from somewhere else. They are trying to manufacture outrage and it’s working. When they show these “bombs” exploding on TV it looks like maybe a little bigger than an M-80 ! WTF ?

Ukraine has 200k active and 500k reserve army and an Air Force ! Why aren’t they attacking the 40 mile long convoy that’s been a sitting duck for days ? And giving out rifles to civilians and telling them make Molotov cocktails to take on second largest military in world ? Their stooge president doing photo ops with guns then also pretending to hide ?

Something isn’t right about this whole thing and I think this is all about the banks wanting to print more money and needing an excuse to do it ! And we the little people suffer for it !
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: IlliniGolf on March 02, 2022, 04:13:19 PM
So citing Russia Today just confirms that Golf is, and always has been, a Soviet Troll Farm worker dude, right? Comrade Golf, you are not on the promotion track if you are stuck trolling HQ and HQ2. Sorry, bud.

Yeah you wouldn’t want to get any other perspective that what the western MSM is pushing ! We go around doing this shit all the time to other countries and never get sanctioned or held responsible at all ! And we wonder why most of the world hates our guts !

Imagine if Texas had left the US 30 years ago to be its own country. Meanwhile some of Texas wants to come back to US but we won’t let it. And Russia is built up enormous military installments in Mexico and Caribbean and pointing at us after we told them not to for years. Wouldn’t go well would it ?

Hopefully people understanding why we are complicit in this helps them not egg us into WWIII
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: fucking on March 02, 2022, 05:02:45 PM
Golf linking actual Putin-controlled propaganda, at a time when the entire civilized world is condemning Putin, is just about as HQ2 as HQ2 can be.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on March 02, 2022, 06:02:00 PM
I moved this here.

Daniel McAdams, Col. Douglas Macgregor,  and Tucker Carslon want you to believe Viktor Yanukovych's illegitimate political presecution of Yulia Tymoshenko is morally equivalent to Ukraine's legitimate efforts to prosecute Yanukovich.

Trey Gowdy and Jennifer Griffin found this take to be appalling. It has the potential to divide the Republican base, but they might be too stupid and self centered to care.

Pretty much, Macgregor and his ilk say Biden and NATO provoked Putin and should've stayed out. They also say resistance is futile and will only make Putin angrier.

Most of the right are siding with Ukraine and think Biden and NATO should be doing more to help them.
 
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on March 02, 2022, 07:02:21 PM
Something seems off about this debacle !

We had better footage of Desert Storm in 1991 than we do in 2022 !?!?

Got reporters standing on top of buildings reporting bombs are falling yet there’s nothing going on in background except traffic and people walking.

Lots of pictures of supposed damage being thrown out on social media saying it’s Ukraine then people find out it is old/from somewhere else. They are trying to manufacture outrage and it’s working. When they show these “bombs” exploding on TV it looks like maybe a little bigger than an M-80 ! WTF ?

Ukraine has 200k active and 500k reserve army and an Air Force ! Why aren’t they attacking the 40 mile long convoy that’s been a sitting duck for days ? And giving out rifles to civilians and telling them make Molotov cocktails to take on second largest military in world ? Their stooge president doing photo ops with guns then also pretending to hide ?

Something isn’t right about this whole thing and I think this is all about the banks wanting to print more money and needing an excuse to do it ! And we the little people suffer for it !

If you are not Soviet Troll Farm Worker No. 206, then you are the epitome of "Kids, this is your mind on drugs."
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on March 03, 2022, 12:23:06 AM
Wow. Miss a little, miss a lot.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: IlliniGolf on March 06, 2022, 01:18:40 PM
This has to be the lamest “war” of all time !

If Russia really wanted Ukraine they’d already have it

They’re not even flying jets around or anything ?

Like what is actually even happening ?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on March 06, 2022, 07:44:01 PM
This has to be the lamest “war” of all time !

If Russia really wanted Ukraine they’d already have it

They’re not even flying jets around or anything ?

Like what is actually even happening ?
just enough chaos to drop the market a few points so they can cover their shorts and get long
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Chickengeorge on March 07, 2022, 04:06:42 PM
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Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Dominic on March 07, 2022, 10:10:18 PM
I’m rooting for Russia.  Tired of hearing all the American news propaganda along with the strange position the politicians have taken of “we hate Russia, but not enough to actually defend Ukraine with our own troops”.

If Russia is as evil as the politician say, then meet them in Ukraine and drone the shit out of them.  If they aren’t, quit bitching.

If the current days politicians were around in the 1940s, Europe would be speaking German today and Hitler would have never been stopped
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on March 07, 2022, 10:36:12 PM
Golf = Plaza is a match
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on March 07, 2022, 10:49:49 PM
I’m rooting for Russia.  Tired of hearing all the American news propaganda along with the strange position the politicians have taken of “we hate Russia, but not enough to actually defend Ukraine with our own troops”.

If Russia is as evil as the politician say, then meet them in Ukraine and drone the shit out of them.  If they aren’t, quit bitching.

If the current days politicians were around in the 1940s, Europe would be speaking German today and Hitler would have never been stopped
you forgot to switch accounts
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on March 08, 2022, 09:55:24 AM
Golf = Plaza is a match


Golf = Plaza is the love child of Axis Sally and Lord Haw-Haw.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 08, 2022, 11:33:52 AM
Nothing Gelato says particularly surprises me, but I am surprised he hates America.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: fucking on March 09, 2022, 03:13:50 AM
Golf = Plaza is a match


You're terrible at this.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on March 09, 2022, 08:46:38 AM


You're terrible at this.

I think his aim is to be funny when he does this, and to me he usually succeeds.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on March 09, 2022, 10:47:47 AM
https://priceofoil.org/2022/03/04/how-big-oil-courted-and-emboldened-putin-for-decades/
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on March 09, 2022, 12:41:22 PM
I think his aim is to be funny when he does this, and to me he usually succeeds.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: IlliniGolf on July 14, 2022, 03:57:02 PM
Let me summarize the Ukrainian war to you liberals :

It’s a war invoked on the Russians to start because Soros & Schwab installed their puppet in Ukraine.

It’s a war financed by the Americans & paid by the innocent Ukrainians to enrich the cult who installed Biden & Fuckinskyy !
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on July 14, 2022, 06:17:20 PM
Curious what golf means by liberals. The most correct use of the word is most of us, modern conservatives and social liberals, are liberals. We believe in free speech, a free press, free markets, the right to vote, due process, equal protection, basic human rights, and so on. There are illiberal exceptions on both sides;  people like Tucker Carlson on the right. The illiberal left seems like a contradiction in terms making them harder to identify.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on July 25, 2022, 01:36:18 PM
IlliniGolf on the list...

https://unherd.com/thepost/ukraine-government-issues-blacklist-of-russian-propagandists/
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on August 11, 2022, 12:32:50 PM
Coming to you soon....Brittney Griner in the Ukraine...

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-world-news-st-petersburg-treatment-of-prisoners-f20273227cf4c4e65ba6f4866dc975ea

The prisoners at the penal colony in St. Petersburg were expecting a visit by officials, thinking it would be some sort of inspection. Instead, men in uniform arrived and offered them amnesty — if they agreed to fight alongside the Russian army in Ukraine.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on August 11, 2022, 01:07:35 PM
She’s actually a dude
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on August 11, 2022, 02:03:19 PM
She’s actually a dude

JJ is going to get all in your face now.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Judge Judy on August 12, 2022, 09:44:28 AM
Nah, I agree with Custard. Fuck that bitch.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on August 12, 2022, 11:56:58 AM
Nah, I agree with Custard. Fuck that bitch.

How Christian of you!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 11, 2022, 07:47:23 AM
Interesting to read that while the generals wanted to pull out 3 weeks ago, Putin waited to abandon Kherson until after the disappointing election results for the Soviet supported MAGA Scum.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: IVMP on November 11, 2022, 08:59:29 AM
Coming to you soon....Brittney Griner in the Ukraine...

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-world-news-st-petersburg-treatment-of-prisoners-f20273227cf4c4e65ba6f4866dc975ea

The prisoners at the penal colony in St. Petersburg were expecting a visit by officials, thinking it would be some sort of inspection. Instead, men in uniform arrived and offered them amnesty — if they agreed to fight alongside the Russian army in Ukraine.

So it would be the Russian version of The Dirty Dozen?

"I'm not shaving with cold borscht!"
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 11, 2022, 09:31:34 AM
So it would be the Russian version of The Dirty Dozen?

"I'm not shaving with cold borscht!"

She could be the Charles Bronson character
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 11, 2022, 05:22:25 PM
The Dirty Dozen is on Turner Classic Movies right now.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on November 12, 2022, 08:24:52 AM
She could be the Charles Bronson character

Way too tall.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on November 12, 2022, 08:26:20 AM
Nah, I agree with Custard. Fuck that bitch.

She’s a U.S. citizen, being held as a political prisoner. Why would you say that?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Judge Judy on November 12, 2022, 08:30:42 AM
She’s a U.S. citizen, being held as a political prisoner. Why would you say that?

She committed a crime in another county. Who cares if it was an accident. She did it. We have people in prison here in America for a much longer time than she got for marijuana. So how is her penalty “unjust?!”
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on November 12, 2022, 08:41:10 AM
She committed a crime in another county. Who cares if it was an accident. She did it. We have people in prison here in America for a much longer time than she got for marijuana. So how is her penalty “unjust?!”

It’s a stupidly long fucking sentence for something most of the world considers not a big deal. She’s clearly being held as a political ploy. I don’t think a Russian citizen should be held in America for 10 years for cocaine possession.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on November 12, 2022, 08:42:25 AM
Not only that, but the “fuck that bitch” seems exceptionally harsh. Seems you have a personal issue with her. Kind a strange IMO
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 12, 2022, 11:33:17 AM
Tempo, as Baretta said, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. We have to respect other culture's laws, don't we?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on November 12, 2022, 11:58:11 AM
Tempo, as Baretta said, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. We have to respect other culture's laws, don't we?

Sure. If some throw homosexual people off roofs, we have to respect that culture.  !!!!!!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 12, 2022, 12:00:04 PM
Sure. If some throw homosexual people off roofs, we have to respect that culture.  !!!!!!

All the fucking progressives crime loving assholes say we need to. Then again they are full of shit as your example shows.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Judge Judy on November 12, 2022, 12:19:22 PM
Sure. If some throw homosexual people off roofs, we have to respect that culture.  !!!!!!

But that’s not what happened in Griner's case. Nice comparison. She committed the crime. And we have people in America doing more time for marijuana, so how is it excessive or unfair?! Carry on…
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 12, 2022, 12:20:34 PM
But that’s not what happened in Griner's case. Nice comparison. She committed the crime. And we have people in America doing more time for marijuana, so how is it excessive or unfair?! Carry on…

I think Nichi was being sarcastic....
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on November 12, 2022, 04:22:54 PM
But that’s not what happened in Griner's case. Nice comparison. She committed the crime. And we have people in America doing more time for marijuana, so how is it excessive or unfair?! Carry on…

Up to 10 years for simple 1st time marijuana possession? Doubt it.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on November 12, 2022, 04:59:41 PM
At one time, miscegenation and sodomy were illegal in certain US states.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 12, 2022, 05:15:02 PM
Up to 10 years for simple 1st time marijuana possession? Doubt it.

Did you pass the Soviet Bar Exam?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 12, 2022, 05:17:18 PM
At one time, miscegenation and sodomy were illegal in certain US states.

We have to accept other cultures, Nichi...like cultures that eat dogs, kill women who walk around without a hijab and that like soccer. Otherwise you are a Western Elitist.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on November 12, 2022, 06:43:30 PM
We have to accept other cultures, Nichi...like cultures that eat dogs, kill women who walk around without a hijab and that like soccer. Otherwise you are a Western Elitist.

I believe in tolerance, but accepting cultures that like soccer is pushing it a bit far.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 12, 2022, 06:55:27 PM
I believe in tolerance, but accepting cultures that like soccer is pushing it a bit far.

Yeah, I know.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illinicalvin on November 12, 2022, 07:34:10 PM
It's not even a matter of other cultures, putting black people in prison for bullshit is by far our cultural tradition before anyone else's. She should be released as a de facto political prisoner but this fact pattern could've happened in Mississippi.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Dominic on November 13, 2022, 12:40:28 PM
It's not even a matter of other cultures, putting black people in prison for bullshit is by far our cultural tradition before anyone else's. She should be released as a de facto political prisoner but this fact pattern could've happened in Mississippi.

Young black males ages 14-40 make up 5% of the US Population.  They commit > 50% of all violent crime in the US, specifically murder where  > 92% of their murders are against other black people.

The US has never been “too hard” on sentencing black criminals.  The stats suggest they are far too lightly policed.  When 5% of the population is doing > 50% of the violent crime, that isn’t racism.  Or economic disparity. Or any other excuse. It’s a fucking tragedy.

If any other country had a subset of their population absolutely destroying cities, cultures, etc - they’d eradicate it by any means necessary. The US is filled with violent high crime liberal shitholes like New Orleans, Chicago, St Louis where nothing is done bc progressive policies would rather allow the 5% to ruin it for everyone, than to put the hammer down on the 5% and bust heads like Giuliani did when he took over for Dinkins in NYC.

How does this relate to Putin and Griner?  She broke the law.  Let her rot. And yes, the US could learn a lot from countries like Saudi Arabia who have extremely low crime rates bc when you steal something there, you might get your hand cut off. When you steal something in the US, the progressives say it’s ok if you’re poor, black, or a “victim”.

Go Putin.
Fuck Griner. Let her stand for the Russian national anthem.  Let her start a BLM campaign in Russia.  See how many Russian people give 2 shits about criminals there. Or “police brutality”. 

Fuck all liberals.

Stay the hell out of Florida.

Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Dominic on November 13, 2022, 12:46:16 PM
She’s a U.S. citizen, being held as a political prisoner. Why would you say that?

Because she hates America and has espoused those beliefs.

Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on November 13, 2022, 01:12:20 PM
Low crime in Russia, except for the criminal enterprise run by Putin.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on November 13, 2022, 01:14:42 PM
Because she hates America and has espoused those beliefs.

hates America = does not agree with deranged wing nuts.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 13, 2022, 01:26:08 PM
Yes, Weasel Voiced 105 Pound Soaking Wet Guy actually said he wants the US to be more like Saudi Arabia and "Go Putin." You can't make this shit up.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Dominic on November 13, 2022, 02:29:16 PM
hates America = does not agree with deranged wing nuts.

Yes, such deranged beliefs like:

If you’re born a man, you’re a man. You can’t change it.  And if you want to, you are mentally ill.

If someone breaks the law, you arrest them.  If they resist, you beat their ass.  You police high crime areas precisely because they have high crime.

Modern day liberalism is nothing more than tolerating the intolerable.
 

Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on November 13, 2022, 02:50:58 PM
"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." -- Benjamin Franklin

There are some pretentious fools on the left, but crime prevention works. The people who profit from the illegal drug trade, human trafficking, the corrupt cash bail system, civil forfeitures, prison labor, and so on, know that. 

Those they manipulate are just scared.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Dominic on November 13, 2022, 03:26:33 PM
"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." -- Benjamin Franklin

There are some pretentious fools on the left, but crime prevention works. The people who profit from the illegal drug trade, human trafficking, the corrupt cash bail system, civil forfeitures, prison labor, and so on, know that. 

Those they manipulate are just scared.

Yeah, you know what “stop and frisk” was meant to do.  PREVENT CRIME.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on November 13, 2022, 03:54:40 PM
Crime prevention means access to healthcare, education, music & arts programs, fair housing, career opportunities, equal justice ...

Nothing wrong with reasonable stop & frisk. Must be able to articulate a reasonable suspicion that the subject was, is, or is about to commit a crime. It can't be he looks the part, is a black male of average height wearing a knit cap, was behaving in a suspicious manner, appeared nervous, obstructed justice by refusing to provide an ID, is probably guilty of something, disrespected a police officer, disobeyed orders, and so on.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on November 14, 2022, 09:49:56 AM
Yeah, you know what “stop and frisk” was meant to do.  PREVENT CRIME.

Sure this poster gets really angry when he has to be frisked at the TSA line, violation of his rights and shit
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 14, 2022, 10:03:13 AM
Sure this poster gets really angry when he has to be frisked at the TSA line, violation of his rights and shit

Ironic, isn't it?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ILLove1997 on November 14, 2022, 11:01:23 AM
Crime prevention means access to healthcare, education, music & arts programs, fair housing, career opportunities, equal justice ...

Nothing wrong with reasonable stop & frisk. Must be able to articulate a reasonable suspicion that the subject was, is, or is about to commit a crime. It can't be he looks the part, is a black male of average height wearing a knit cap, was behaving in a suspicious manner, appeared nervous, obstructed justice by refusing to provide an ID, is probably guilty of something, disrespected a police officer, disobeyed orders, and so on.

crime is mostly a demographics game
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 14, 2022, 12:24:42 PM
crime is mostly a demographics game

Yep, just look at the Trump crime family and the crypto guys.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Judge Judy on November 14, 2022, 12:30:52 PM
Yep, just look at the Trump crime family and the crypto guys.

Or the Biden’s or Pelosi’s.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on November 14, 2022, 01:21:53 PM
Or the Biden’s or Pelosi’s.

Lol
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 14, 2022, 01:36:45 PM
Or the Biden’s or Pelosi’s.

Hmm, I must have missed those investigations taking place over the past 6 years or so.

Glad you let me know about them!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Judge Judy on November 14, 2022, 04:23:08 PM
Hmm, I must have missed those investigations taking place over the past 6 years or so.

Glad you let me know about them!

You work for the FBI by chance?! 😁

Dominic, help me out here! 😂
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on November 14, 2022, 05:10:42 PM
Hmm, I must have missed those investigations taking place over the past 6 years or so.

I haven't.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 14, 2022, 05:34:13 PM
I haven't.

I missed your references to the Pelosi investigation(s). Guessing they get Hunter on taxes, but the Hunter Biden movie stuff I doubt. They had time to do all that and Durham has proven to be a big whiff.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 14, 2022, 05:35:56 PM
You work for the FBI by chance?! 😁

Dominic, help me out here! 😂

Like that weasel voiced twerp knows anything. If your daughter plays tennis, I'd keep her away from that guy.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on November 14, 2022, 06:49:48 PM
I missed your references to the Pelosi investigation(s). Guessing they get Hunter on taxes, but the Hunter Biden movie stuff I doubt. They had time to do all that and Durham has proven to be a big whiff.
I missed the Covid and fentanyl discussions between POTUS and the spy chief of China's boss.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 14, 2022, 06:54:50 PM
I missed the Covid and fentanyl discussions between POTUS and the spy chief of China's boss.

You better get on that!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Judge Judy on November 14, 2022, 06:58:42 PM
Like that weasel voiced twerp knows anything. If your daughter plays tennis, I'd keep her away from that guy.

It was tongue in cheek.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 14, 2022, 07:01:01 PM
It was tongue in cheek.

Ok, sorry. You should still keep your daughter away from him, especially if she plays tennis.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Judge Judy on November 14, 2022, 07:03:25 PM
Ok, sorry. You should still keep your daughter away from him, especially if she plays tennis.

Oh I know. Tennis is a shitty sport anyways.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on November 14, 2022, 07:48:19 PM
Yeah, you know what “stop and frisk” was meant to do.  PREVENT CRIME.

Advocates of original intent display utter ignorance about why this country was founded, the history behind warrantless searches and seizures, the intent of the 4th Amendment

"Few provisions of the Bill of Rights grew so directly out of the colonial experience as the Fourth Amendment, which protects against the government’s use of writs of assistance."

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt4-1/ALDE_00013706/
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 14, 2022, 07:54:53 PM
Advocates of original intent displays utter ignorance about why this country was founded, the history behind warrantless searches and seizures, the intent of the 4th Amendment

"Few provisions of the Bill of Rights grew so directly out of the colonial experience as the Fourth Amendment, which protects against the government’s use of writs of assistance."

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt4-1/ALDE_00013706/

He would have been a loyalist who called for the criminal tea partiers to be hung.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illinicalvin on November 14, 2022, 11:37:43 PM
Young black males ages 14-40 make up 5% of the US Population.  They commit > 50% of all violent crime in the US, specifically murder where  > 92% of their murders are against other black people.

The US has never been “too hard” on sentencing black criminals.  The stats suggest they are far too lightly policed.  When 5% of the population is doing > 50% of the violent crime, that isn’t racism.  Or economic disparity. Or any other excuse. It’s a fucking tragedy.

If any other country had a subset of their population absolutely destroying cities, cultures, etc - they’d eradicate it by any means necessary. The US is filled with violent high crime liberal shitholes like New Orleans, Chicago, St Louis where nothing is done bc progressive policies would rather allow the 5% to ruin it for everyone, than to put the hammer down on the 5% and bust heads like Giuliani did when he took over for Dinkins in NYC.

How does this relate to Putin and Griner?  She broke the law.  Let her rot. And yes, the US could learn a lot from countries like Saudi Arabia who have extremely low crime rates bc when you steal something there, you might get your hand cut off. When you steal something in the US, the progressives say it’s ok if you’re poor, black, or a “victim”.

Go Putin.
Fuck Griner. Let her stand for the Russian national anthem.  Let her start a BLM campaign in Russia.  See how many Russian people give 2 shits about criminals there. Or “police brutality”. 

Fuck all liberals.

Stay the hell out of Florida.
Christ what an asshole.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Dominic on November 15, 2022, 02:26:37 AM
Crime prevention means access to healthcare, education, music & arts programs, fair housing, career opportunities, equal justice ...

Nothing wrong with reasonable stop & frisk. Must be able to articulate a reasonable suspicion that the subject was, is, or is about to commit a crime. It can't be he looks the part, is a black male of average height wearing a knit cap, was behaving in a suspicious manner, appeared nervous, obstructed justice by refusing to provide an ID, is probably guilty of something, disrespected a police officer, disobeyed orders, and so on.

Behaving in a suspicious manner, disobeying orders, refusing to provide ID is exactly what should be policed.  Questioning suspects who fit the description of an active criminal investigation is something that should be policed.

What world do you live in?  All those social programs you want enacted - the US already has them. They’ve had them for 40+ years.   In every urban Democratic shithole that is filled with black people, there are gigantic amount of violent crime.

Do you prefer the police to proactively police before crimes happen, or simply show up to collect the dead body and evidence?

Why does Saudi Arabia have a minuscule crime rate compared to the US?  Is it because Saudi Arabia has some gigantic social welfare system there? That nobody in Saudi Arabia is poor and thus has no excuse to commit crime?  Is it because Arabs are more civilized and peaceful than Blacks in the US? 

Your arguments are retarded.  Kim Klacik made a great ad about this 2 years ago and it could substituted in every Democratic shit hole.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7S_Xl2eOeeY

But you don’t care about that Nichi.  You just need those blacks to keep voting for Dems to ensure you get your govt pension on the backs of tax payers. 



Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on November 15, 2022, 05:27:52 AM
You work for the FBI by chance?! 😁

Dominic, help me out here! 😂

Nothing reeks of desperation more than asking Dominic to bail you out.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on November 15, 2022, 05:28:43 AM
Behaving in a suspicious manner, disobeying orders, refusing to provide ID is exactly what should be policed.  Questioning suspects who fit the description of an active criminal investigation is something that should be policed.

What world do you live in?  All those social programs you want enacted - the US already has them. They’ve had them for 40+ years.   In every urban Democratic shithole that is filled with black people, there are gigantic amount of violent crime.

Do you prefer the police to proactively police before crimes happen, or simply show up to collect the dead body and evidence?

Why does Saudi Arabia have a minuscule crime rate compared to the US?  Is it because Saudi Arabia has some gigantic social welfare system there? That nobody in Saudi Arabia is poor and thus has no excuse to commit crime?  Is it because Arabs are more civilized and peaceful than Blacks in the US? 

Your arguments are retarded.  Kim Klacik made a great ad about this 2 years ago and it could substituted in every Democratic shit hole.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7S_Xl2eOeeY

But you don’t care about that Nichi.  You just need those blacks to keep voting for Dems to ensure you get your govt pension on the backs of tax payers.

Lmao
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on November 15, 2022, 05:30:46 AM
Lost by more than 40 points, but the ads were great! 😂
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on November 15, 2022, 08:51:41 AM
Behaving in a suspicious manner, disobeying orders, refusing to provide ID is exactly what should be policed.  Questioning suspects who fit the description of an active criminal investigation is something that should be policed.

What world do you live in?  All those social programs you want enacted - the US already has them. They’ve had them for 40+ years.   In every urban Democratic shithole that is filled with black people, there are gigantic amount of violent crime.

Do you prefer the police to proactively police before crimes happen, or simply show up to collect the dead body and evidence?

If you think social programs receive the same funding as law enforcement; you are delusional.

Extracurricular programs work in communities where they are funded.

There is nothing wrong with the right kind of proactive policing.

In most states, there is no requirement to carry an ID.

Behaving in a suspicious manner is subjective. A grown man watching young women play tennis could be deemed suspicious.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Judge Judy on November 15, 2022, 08:54:56 AM
Nothing reeks of desperation more than asking Dominic to bail you out.

It was tongue in cheek. Hence the emojis
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 15, 2022, 12:11:57 PM
Behaving in a suspicious manner is subjective. A grown man watching young women play tennis could be deemed suspicious.

He would love to be stopped and frisked though.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Dominic on November 15, 2022, 02:04:19 PM
If you think social programs receive the same funding as law enforcement; you are delusional.

Extracurricular programs work in communities where they are funded.



Theres a boys and girls club in every violent democrat controlled urban neighborhood.   It doesn’t do shit other than act as a temporary babysitter for a bunch of loose women and absentee fathers.  They all already get free healthcare with free clinic, Medicaid etc.  There are schools, even good Magnet schools in urban area.  None of that has ever mattered.

Your premise that crime goes down because of government social welfare problems is ridiculous. It doesn’t. Giving people free Obama phones, or Bill Clinton midnight basketball has never worked and never will. Crime goes down when you deter people from committing crime. You deter crime by having a strong police presence and efficient punishments.

Again, look at the Saudi example.  Unless you want to claim Saudis are less violent than blacks, they’ve figured out how to have a peaceful society despite being under a religion that advocates jihad.



Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on November 15, 2022, 02:42:27 PM
Theres a boys and girls club in every violent democrat controlled urban neighborhood.   It doesn’t do shit other than act as a temporary babysitter for a bunch of loose women and absentee fathers.  They all already get free healthcare with free clinic, Medicaid etc.  There are schools, even good Magnet schools in urban area.  None of that has ever mattered.

Your premise that crime goes down because of government social welfare problems is ridiculous. It doesn’t. Giving people free Obama phones, or Bill Clinton midnight basketball has never worked and never will. Crime goes down when you deter people from committing crime. You deter crime by having a strong police presence and efficient punishments.

Again, look at the Saudi example.  Unless you want to claim Saudis are less violent than blacks, they’ve figured out how to have a peaceful society despite being under a religion that advocates jihad.

So many misconceptions.

Those are Reagan-Bush phones.

You mentioned Medicaid. The reimbursement rate is generally even worse than Medicare and claims are an administrative nightmare. That makes it difficult to find a provider that accepts Medicaid. Patients, who often already have transportation challenges, frequently have to travel to a considerable distance to receive healthcare.
 ...

Boys and Girls clubs make a difference:
https://www.bgca.org/about-us/club-impact

We need more of that.

...

I would take the low crime rate in certain countries with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 15, 2022, 03:30:26 PM
So many misconceptions.

Those are Reagan-Bush phones.

You mentioned Medicaid. The reimbursement rate is generally even worse than Medicare and claims are an administrative nightmare. That makes it difficult to find a provider that accepts Medicaid. Patients, who often already have transportation challenges, frequently have to travel to a considerable distance to receive healthcare.
 ...

Boys and Girls clubs make a difference:
https://www.bgca.org/about-us/club-impact

We need more of that.

...

I would take the low crime rate in certain countries with a grain of salt.

I doubt he would like what the Saudis do to pedos like him.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on November 15, 2022, 03:31:34 PM
Again, look at the Saudi example.  Unless you want to claim Saudis are less violent than blacks, they’ve figured out how to have a peaceful society despite being under a religion that advocates jihad.

Two words for Saudi Arabia: unrelenting repression.
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ridingthegrange on November 15, 2022, 04:15:53 PM
I doubt he would like what the Saudis do to pedos like him.

Maybe not?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 15, 2022, 05:05:35 PM
Maybe not?

There's always a chance he would be celebrated for it, I suppose.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on November 15, 2022, 05:24:08 PM
If you think social programs receive the same funding as law enforcement; you are delusional.

Extracurricular programs work in communities where they are funded.

There is nothing wrong with the right kind of proactive policing.

In most states, there is no requirement to carry an ID.

Behaving in a suspicious manner is subjective. A grown man watching young women play tennis could be deemed suspicious.

It’s funny how people of color seem to behave in a suspicious manner at like a 150% higher rate than white people.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ILLove1997 on November 15, 2022, 06:48:26 PM
It’s funny how people of color seem to behave in a suspicious manner at like a 150% higher rate than white people.

I suggest you take a look at this link

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 15, 2022, 07:03:59 PM
I suggest you take a look at this link

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43

Amazing that Weasel Voiced Guy is probably on there a few times.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on November 15, 2022, 11:40:37 PM
The Saudi example really derails any kind of relevant point that could have been made with some otherwise debatable thought.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 16, 2022, 07:30:45 AM
The Saudi example really derails any kind of relevant point that could have been made with some otherwise debatable thought.

You expected more?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Dominic on November 16, 2022, 02:33:38 PM
It’s funny how people of color seem to behave in a suspicious manner at like a 150% higher rate than white people.

5% of the population commits > 50% of the violent crime in the US.

That’s a fact.

You either police that 5% differently than everyone else, or you can continue to reap the damage they cause.

When the hurricane came thru here, our Lee County sheriff Maraceno flat out said looters would be shot.  You know how many looting incidents there were?  Hardly any.  Despite the hurricane coming thru very high value areas.

Tempo, nichi, paman, any other liberal piece of shit on here are simply tolerating the intolerable. 

You are trying to appease urban terrorists instead of laying down the law.

And for what reasons?  For the votes.  For the big govt enabling pension votes that these blacks continue to provide the democrat party at least in Illinois. It’s shithole of a state with shithole people and lazy retirees
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on November 16, 2022, 09:54:53 PM
5% of the population commits > 50% of the violent crime in the US.

That’s a fact.

You either police that 5% differently than everyone else, or you can continue to reap the damage they cause.

When the hurricane came thru here, our Lee County sheriff Maraceno flat out said looters would be shot.  You know how many looting incidents there were?  Hardly any.  Despite the hurricane coming thru very high value areas.


Because the "looters", unlike the rich people in Naples, were smart enough to get the fuck out when a hurricane was on the way.

If your Sheriff was any good, he would have told people who didn't evacuate they would be shot. Because they endangered the lives of first responders with their stupidity.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illinicalvin on November 17, 2022, 01:42:40 AM
I see Dominic's understanding of crime rivals his understanding on other topics.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 03, 2023, 12:42:24 PM
Mn!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65461401

Nord Stream: Report puts Russian navy ships near pipeline blast site

But one possible lead pointing towards Russian involvement has emerged from details of suspicious Russian ship movements in the run-up to the Nord Stream blasts, reported by four Nordic public broadcasters and an accompanying English-language podcast Cold Front.

And Denmark's Defence Command has confirmed a separate report that a Danish patrol boat called Nymfen took 26 photos of a Russian submarine-rescue ship in the area days before the explosions. The Information website said the SS-750 had sailed from Kaliningrad and was close to Bornholm island on 22 September 2022.

Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 03, 2023, 12:53:14 PM
Read through this thread. Some good stuff in here. Poor Golf and Dom....things have not worked out as they hoped.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on May 03, 2023, 01:17:00 PM
Mn!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65461401

Nord Stream: Report puts Russian navy ships near pipeline blast site

But one possible lead pointing towards Russian involvement has emerged from details of suspicious Russian ship movements in the run-up to the Nord Stream blasts, reported by four Nordic public broadcasters and an accompanying English-language podcast Cold Front.

And Denmark's Defence Command has confirmed a separate report that a Danish patrol boat called Nymfen took 26 photos of a Russian submarine-rescue ship in the area days before the explosions. The Information website said the SS-750 had sailed from Kaliningrad and was close to Bornholm island on 22 September 2022.


ThePAMan!

We took these photos of this Russian ship over 6 months ago ....
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 03, 2023, 01:19:46 PM
ThePAMan!

We took these photos of this Russian ship over 6 months ago ....

Can the Danes be trusted?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 05, 2023, 10:02:12 AM
Things are going great for Dom and Golf's team....

https://news.yahoo.com/wagner-boss-makes-major-battlefield-092535761.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZHJ1ZGdlcmVwb3J0LmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABYI6gpX7I8lXdxeLnW5WQhdS29wRpugRHn_bf2gKx_WiQrvF9qy01sJuvKau6LOf0BJjZ8iwbs3LtQeUNmEBq-5e-pDg-HJtEnHV1NCYqSRaijw1qOu-Chgso49zupjum5vrBJU_d-amQoX3aDnb1exlr518S1i_ffj0u1ptl74

Wagner Boss Makes Major Battlefield Exit After Grisly Video
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on May 05, 2023, 08:50:20 PM
Meat pulls back from grinder.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Dominic on May 06, 2023, 01:50:16 AM
Read through this thread. Some good stuff in here. Poor Golf and Dom....things have not worked out as they hoped.

Russia is going to win.  And the US will have wasted tons of money defending a shithole in the Ukraine.  How is this good foreign policy?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 06, 2023, 08:39:32 AM
Russia is going to win.  And the US will have wasted tons of money defending a shithole in the Ukraine.  How is this good foreign policy?

You are as good at foreign policy as predicting the Illinois W-L record. Which means you will just pretend you are correct regardless of what happens.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on May 06, 2023, 08:50:03 AM
Germany won world wars I and II.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 06, 2023, 09:30:50 AM
Germany won world wars I and II.

If you take away Patton in both wars, Germany won per Dom
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on May 06, 2023, 09:53:54 AM
If you take away Patton in both wars, Germany won per Dom

That’s funny.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Dominic on May 06, 2023, 10:03:31 AM
You are as good at foreign policy as predicting the Illinois W-L record. Which means you will just pretend you are correct regardless of what happens.

Russia got nukes. They can end the war whenever they want. 

The US Civil War lasted 4 years.  Even though the South fought hard, eventually they were gonna lose.  North had all the resources.

Russia same thing.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on May 06, 2023, 10:11:53 AM
Russia got nukes. They can end the war whenever they want. 

The US Civil War lasted 4 years.  Even though the South fought hard, eventually they were gonna lose.  North had all the resources.

Russia same thing.

Russia had nukes and lost in Afghanistan.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 06, 2023, 11:05:40 AM
Russia had nukes and lost in Afghanistan.

Exactly. They are really going to nuke The Ukraine and have the wind blow nuke fallout into Russia and kill Russian citizens.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on May 06, 2023, 11:06:54 AM
Russia got nukes. They can end the war whenever they want. 

The US Civil War lasted 4 years.  Even though the South fought hard, eventually they were gonna lose.  North had all the resources.

Russia same thing.

Putin' us on.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Illinifan5775 on May 06, 2023, 01:19:17 PM
Putin' us on.
Good one.  Use a pun, go to jail?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on May 06, 2023, 01:21:12 PM
Good one.  Use a pun, go to jail?

Depends on Vlad’s mood that day.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Illinifan5775 on May 06, 2023, 01:26:35 PM
Depends on Vlad’s mood that day.
Always in shit sour mood. Ancestry probably includes Stalin.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: FaninCa on May 06, 2023, 01:33:05 PM
Russia had nukes and lost in Afghanistan.

Squeaky probably thinks Russia won that war considering Squeaky's odd definition of winning.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on May 06, 2023, 01:50:06 PM
If you take away his beheading, Louis the XVI basically defeated the French Revolution.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Dominic on May 06, 2023, 06:48:07 PM
Russia had nukes and lost in Afghanistan.

That’s bc they didn’t use them. They’ve probably learned from that boondoggle.  And plus it’s hard to win wars when you are a Communist country due to the lack of global funding.

Russia is capitalist now, still has trade agreements in place despite the West attempting to boycott them out of funding.  Remember all that propaganda about Russian economy tanking due to not buying their oil?  Never happened.

Russia’s intent certainly wont be nuclear war.  They will bleed Ukraine, till the rest of the countries lose interest in defending it, and then it will immediately fall.  It’ll be like Afganistan when the US pulled out, or South Vietnam when the US stopped supporting them. 

The war could probably be over right now if Ukraine was denied entry into NATO and parts of Ukraine that are pro Russia were allowed to leave.  But I think after the drone over the Kremlin stunt, that pissed Putin off enough that he’s going kill Zelensky first before entering into actual peace negotiations
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 06, 2023, 06:50:22 PM

Russia is capitalist now....

HahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahHhaHHha.

Sure it is. What a fucking idiot you are. Hilarious. MORON.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 06, 2023, 06:52:52 PM
Dom drinking the red kool aid is funny. Guess it is better than drinking bleach.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on May 06, 2023, 07:40:24 PM
Russia is capitalist the same way the mob is capitalist.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 06, 2023, 07:50:55 PM
Russia is capitalist the same way the mob is capitalist.

The Trumpers are the Soviets' Fifth Column these days.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on May 06, 2023, 08:57:28 PM
...But I think after the drone over the Kremlin stunt, that pissed Putin off enough that he’s going kill Zelensky first before entering into actual peace negotiations

The whole thing was obviously staged.  Zelenskyy doesn't want Putin dead, a competent Russian leader might emerge.  The Allies took the same view about Hitler late in the war.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on May 08, 2023, 10:29:33 AM
Exactly. They are really going to nuke The Ukraine and have the wind blow nuke fallout into Russia and kill Russian citizens.

Nuking Ukraine is counter to all the reasons to invade. This isn't a war to "Kill their enemy" - this is a war to take the territory.

You can't farm grain - and basically control Africa - if you nuke the land.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on May 08, 2023, 10:30:33 AM
That’s bc they didn’t use them. They’ve probably learned from that boondoggle. 

If true, then they would have opened the war with nukes, rather than grinding up hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 16, 2023, 11:19:14 AM
Another bad day for Squeaky and the Soviet "team."

https://dnyuz.com/2023/05/16/humiliation-for-putins-unstoppable-superweapons-blasted-out-of-sky-by-u-s-defense-system/

Quote
On Saturday, U.S. officials told CNN that the Russian missile attack on May 5 was targeting the Patriot itself. Russian officials called the interception “wishful thinking”—even as Ukrainian and U.S. officials made statements to the contrary. The Kremlin had believed these weapons were all but “unstoppable.”

Those Russian claims were left in disarray early Tuesday when a further six Kh-47s were reportedly shot down in a single night.

In one of the most intense aerial assaults on the capital since the war began, Ukrainian air defenses took down 18 missiles that were targeting the city.

The night sky over Kyiv was rocked by explosions as the new Patriot missile defense system responded to an unprecedented, coordinated barrage of missiles.

Six of the highly acclaimed Kh-47 missiles were launched from MiG-31K aircraft, three S-400 cruise missiles were fired from land, and a further nine Kalibr cruise missiles were launched from the Black Sea.

All of them were taken out, according to the Ukrainian air force, with no casualties reported.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on May 16, 2023, 12:16:09 PM
Another bad day for Squeaky and the Soviet "team."

https://dnyuz.com/2023/05/16/humiliation-for-putins-unstoppable-superweapons-blasted-out-of-sky-by-u-s-defense-system/

Pity the short straw who had to tell Putin.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 16, 2023, 01:09:33 PM
Pity the short straw who had to tell Putin.

Squeaky would tell Putin that if they had not been shot out of the sky, they would have hit their targets.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on May 16, 2023, 01:25:47 PM
Show of hands for those who remember when conservatives hated Russia?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 16, 2023, 01:33:32 PM
Show of hands for those who remember when conservatives hated Russia?

Yeah, it has been quite the turn since "Tear down that wall, Mr. Gorbachev."
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on May 16, 2023, 01:49:19 PM
Yeah, it has been quite the turn since "Tear down that wall, Mr. Gorbachev."
Those were the Soviets.

Turns out they didn't hate the Russians, just the Ukrainians
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 16, 2023, 01:59:14 PM
Those were the Soviets.

Turns out they didn't hate the Russians, just the Ukrainians

Something to ponder.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on June 24, 2023, 01:43:58 AM
I have no clue who Squeaky Sr. (I guess that is what he should now be called since Spark is purportedly Squeaky Jr.), Golf and the rest of the White Nationalist Trumpers are rooting for in this Wagner Group March on Moscow versus The Soviet Ministry of Defense/Putin, that is apparently going on right now.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on June 24, 2023, 01:47:44 AM
Wouldn't surprise me if it is another one of Sleepy Joe's moves to fuck with the Trumpers.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on April 26, 2024, 09:38:12 PM
Good thing we are finding this out now so we can fix it before we need to save the Euros from themselves again.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ar-AA1nIxGp

Cheap Russian drones overwhelm US-made Abrams tanks, taken out of action
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on May 01, 2024, 11:44:34 PM
Anyone ever seen this interview?

https://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ILLove1997 on May 02, 2024, 01:05:50 AM
Anyone ever seen this interview?

https://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/

I have
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 02, 2024, 06:59:53 AM
Anyone ever seen this interview?

https://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/

Looks like they did a great job working the GOP....
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on May 02, 2024, 08:41:13 AM
The $61 billion to Ukraine was signed last Wednesday.

In the news 4 days later ......
"We are discussing the specific foundations of our security and cooperation. We are also working on fixing specific levels of support for this year and the next 10 years."
He said the support would range from military hardware to joint arms production and financial aid.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-us-working-long-term-181346998.html

Meanwhile, Lloyd Austin says that the 1000 U.S. service members at the pier being built in Gaza will most likely be armed and able to return any fire that would come from Gaza.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on May 02, 2024, 12:47:13 PM

...Meanwhile, Lloyd Austin says that the 1000 U.S. service members at the pier being built in Gaza will most likely be armed and able to return any fire that would come from Gaza.
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And now for the rest of the story:
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/01/us-pier-begin-operations-gaza-00155528
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 02, 2024, 12:56:17 PM
And now for the rest of the story:
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/01/us-pier-begin-operations-gaza-00155528

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Just last week, Gaza-based militants launched mortar rounds at the marshalling area on shore where U.N. workers plan to organize and distribute the aid.

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The IDF will provide a brigade of thousands of soldiers, plus Israeli Navy ships and Israeli Air Force assets that are “dedicated to force protection of this operation specifically,” the official said.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on May 02, 2024, 04:00:22 PM
And now for the rest of the story:
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/01/us-pier-begin-operations-gaza-00155528
And "the rest of the story" doesn't mention the rest of the story that U.S. service members may be allowed to return fire.

We will not be putting feet on the ground.
Nope, they'll be on a floating pier.  :o

Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida said the administration is claiming that “boots on a pier connected to the ground connected to service members shooting into Gaza doesn’t count as boots on the ground” at a House Armed Services Committee hearing Tuesday.

“It does not,” Austin responded.

https://t.co/FrjZ8h3jFp

Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on May 02, 2024, 04:25:00 PM
And "the rest of the story" doesn't mention the rest of the story that U.S. service members may be allowed to return fire.

We will not be putting feet on the ground.
Nope, they'll be on a floating pier.  :o

Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida said the administration is claiming that “boots on a pier connected to the ground connected to service members shooting into Gaza doesn’t count as boots on the ground” at a House Armed Services Committee hearing Tuesday.

“It does not,” Austin responded.

https://t.co/FrjZ8h3jFp

It's a scary world out there MN.  I suggest that you and Matt Gaetz crawl into bed together and pull the cover over your eyes.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on May 03, 2024, 07:27:49 AM
It's a scary world out there MN.  I suggest that you and Matt Gaetz crawl into bed together and pull the cover over your eyes.
It's no big deal now that we're clear that the 'no boots on the ground' statements of the last few days were not meant to mislead.

Speaking of boots on the ground, the college kids need a little practice.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1786072024013492452
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 03, 2024, 08:18:18 AM
It's no big deal now that we're clear that the 'no boots on the ground' statements of the last few days were not meant to mislead.

Speaking of boots on the ground, the college kids need a little practice.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1786072024013492452

Doubt the GoFundMe for those idiots will match the one for the UNC FratBros who refused to let the terrorist sympathizers take down the US Flag.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on May 03, 2024, 08:50:57 AM
Doubt the GoFundMe for those idiots will match the one for the UNC FratBros who refused to let the terrorist sympathizers take down the US Flag.
Whomever is funding the idiots probably have deep pockets. And some ownership in a tent company.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 03, 2024, 08:55:28 AM
Whomever is funding the idiots probably have deep pockets. And some ownership in a tent company.

Hamas is funding them, which means Iran is funding them, in part.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on May 03, 2024, 09:34:08 AM
Hamas is funding them, which means Iran is funding them, in part.
Hamas must have a go-between in the U.S. tho in order to use the money that Hamas gets from Iran who got the money from ....

Oh, never mind. Lol
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ridingthegrange on July 17, 2024, 05:00:09 PM
A good friend sent me this article comparing Ukraine to what the Irish endured from the Brits.  It's a good short read.

https://www.ncronline.org/opinion/guest-voices/understand-ukraine-better-think-about-ireland
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on August 08, 2024, 04:17:46 PM
Hmmmm. Have not read Tempo complaining about dead civilians as the Ukrainians march through Mother Russia.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on August 08, 2024, 06:11:03 PM
Don't stop til Vladivostok!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on August 08, 2024, 06:36:10 PM
Hmmmm. Have not read Tempo complaining about dead civilians as the Ukrainians march through Mother Russia.

Have not heard about this. I’ll have to do some research and get back to you.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on August 08, 2024, 06:44:42 PM
Have not heard about this. I’ll have to do some research and get back to you.

I'm sure the Soviet bot @Army4Palestine will have some good misinformation for you on this subject.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on August 08, 2024, 06:47:30 PM
When memes are all you’ve got, you’ve lost.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on August 08, 2024, 09:48:02 PM
When memes are all you’ve got, you’ve lost.

I anxiously await the results of your research on The Twotter.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on August 09, 2024, 02:27:16 AM
I anxiously await the results of your research on The Twotter.

I’ve looked over about 4-5 articles and haven’t found much of anything detailing Russian casualties. Think I saw there were some injured. Long story short, I am against killing civilians and bombing them except for extreme circumstances.

Again, I don’t find this to be an apples to apples comparison (no doubt you’ll disagree). Russia is much more capable of defending themselves than Gaza is. And Russia started this skirmish (no doubt you’ll try to make the case Hamas “started” the current “war.”). In no way do I approve of what Hamas did on Oct. 7th, but to say the war “started” there would be disingenuous at best.

Looks like Ukraine has made a brilliant strategic move by turning the tables on Russia. I hope they are as careful not to kill civilians as possible. And I do not condone any excessive or unnecessary bombing of non-military targets.

Overall I rate this invasion a 4. 8 for tactical maneuvers, 1 for casualties. That could change with updated information.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on August 09, 2024, 07:48:15 AM
What are extreme circumstances that justify it for you?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on August 09, 2024, 07:58:11 AM
I don't know, but I'm reading that Putin is saying they are bombing hospitals, ambulances, and locals. If you choose to believe Hamas and its PR, why don't you choose to believe Putin and his? Hmmm.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on August 09, 2024, 08:29:20 AM
Maybe tempo should check out RT
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on August 09, 2024, 08:42:57 AM
Maybe tempo should check out RT

I'm thinking he already does, he just doesn't know it.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on August 09, 2024, 09:03:33 AM
These levels of whataboutism could choke a stampede of horses.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on August 09, 2024, 09:06:29 AM
Maybe tempo should check out RT

They used to have an insanely hot news host. I follow her on the twotter, and I think the gram.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on August 09, 2024, 09:06:56 AM
What are extreme circumstances that justify it for you?

Being fired at I guess would be one.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on August 09, 2024, 09:28:48 AM
LOL. This is great stuff and it is only 930am
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Judge Judy on August 09, 2024, 11:21:05 AM
LOL. This is great stuff and it is only 930am

I was hoping to see about 20 more pages than what we’ve got on here this morning, but it’s still early. I have faith…
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on September 13, 2024, 08:03:19 AM
https://www.wsj.com/world/the-once-dominant-tank-is-getting-humbled-on-the-battlefield-4a6862c3

Good things the Ukrainians are finding this out for us so we can adapt.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: HateTheTank on September 13, 2024, 08:06:41 AM
https://www.wsj.com/world/the-once-dominant-tank-is-getting-humbled-on-the-battlefield-4a6862c3

Good things the Ukrainians are finding this out for us so we can adapt.

Tanks are bullshit.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Judge Judy on September 13, 2024, 08:17:04 AM
Tanks are bullshit.

Fuck you bitch, tanks are badass! I’m one! Wanna fight?!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Judge Judy on September 13, 2024, 08:19:01 AM
As you can see from above, I have no alts because I don’t know how to do that shit 😂 epic fail! So if you’re ever curious about who the alt is, you can be 100% sure it’s not me!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on September 13, 2024, 09:43:14 AM
That's an old Tempo alt. Good thing he remembered the password
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 04, 2024, 02:12:53 PM
Custard will tell us there is nothing to see here, just the liberals at the Wall Street Journal peddling fake news....

https://www.wsj.com/world/russia-plot-us-planes-incendiary-devices-de3b8c0a?st=2FCuXN&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Russia Suspected of Plotting to Send Incendiary Devices on U.S.-Bound Planes

Two devices that ignited in Europe, officials say, were part of a covert operation to put them on cargo or passenger aircraft

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Security officials say the electric massagers, sent to the U.K. from Lithuania, appear to have been a test run to figure out how to get such incendiary devices aboard planes bound for North America.

Poland’s National Prosecutor’s Office said authorities there have arrested four people in connection with the fires and charged them with participating in sabotage or terrorist operations on behalf of a foreign intelligence agency. Poland is working with other countries to find at least two more suspects.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on November 06, 2024, 12:44:33 PM
Biden is undoubtedly still asleep at the wheel, but if I am him I am greenlighting the Ukrainians using US weapons against Moscow, etc. because you know the screw job is coming and the price of grain is going to explode as a result.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on November 06, 2024, 12:50:43 PM
Down with fascism!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on November 06, 2024, 12:58:40 PM
Biden is undoubtedly still asleep at the wheel, but if I am him I am greenlighting the Ukrainians using US weapons against Moscow, etc. because you know the screw job is coming and the price of grain is going to explode as a result.

I know nothing at this point. You never know, Putin could pull out Jan 21, with a big smiling hand shake with Trump. A little money and a lot of blood and he got his man into the White House. Trump loves money, but Putin is an actual sociopath. He could care one whit about Russian soldiers getting ground up.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on December 26, 2024, 11:19:29 AM
Looks like Trump's buddies shot down another civilian airliner.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: IlliniGolf on March 03, 2025, 12:11:52 AM
Breaks it down and lets the listener decide !

https://youtu.be/5z7N-ldmE8Y
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 03, 2025, 01:39:57 AM
Breaks it down and lets the listener decide !

https://youtu.be/5z7N-ldmE8Y

I’ve seen that guy on The Twotter. He’s very far from unbiased. Total MAGAT.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on March 03, 2025, 02:13:38 AM
There are currently no diplomatic or bilateral relations between Russia and Ukraine. The two states have been at war since Russia invaded the Crimean peninsula in February 2014, and Russian-controlled armed groups seized Donbas government buildings in May 2014. Following the Ukrainian Euromaidan in 2014, Ukraine's Crimean peninsula was occupied by unmarked Russian forces, and later illegally annexed by Russia, while pro-Russia separatists simultaneously engaged the Ukrainian military in an armed conflict for control over eastern Ukraine; these events marked the beginning of the Russo-Ukrainian War. In a major escalation of the conflict on 24 February 2022, Russia launched a large scale military invasion across a broad front, causing Ukraine to sever all formal diplomatic ties with Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_relations
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on March 03, 2025, 10:28:36 AM
I’ve seen that guy on The Twotter. He’s very far from unbiased. Total MAGAT.

Also - an Iranian
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on March 03, 2025, 12:26:12 PM
Also - an Iranian

Tempo should love him!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on March 03, 2025, 01:08:06 PM
Tempo should love him!

well then, the first time you and Tempo support the same loser aside from the Chicago Bears
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 03, 2025, 09:38:12 PM
I’ve  watched half of it yesterday, hope to finish it tonight. Haven’t seen anything unfactual or out of line yet. Dude is total MAGA though.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on March 03, 2025, 10:10:40 PM
well then, the first time you and Tempo support the same loser aside from the Chicago Bears

Hey I have been Bears agnostic if not antagonistic for years.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on March 03, 2025, 10:11:42 PM
I’ve  watched half of it yesterday, hope to finish it tonight. Haven’t seen anything unfactual or out of line yet. Dude is total MAGA though.

I listened to it while driving today. Seemed reasonable enough.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 03, 2025, 10:13:07 PM
Just took in a couple more minutes. The shilling for Putin started about 9 minutes in, nothing egregious yet though.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on March 19, 2025, 06:12:25 PM
Ever since the ramp up to this conflict I’ve sought out different perspectives trying to understand the whole situation better besides just the propaganda we are inundated with. So I have checked in periodically on RT (I know, the jokes write themselves) but hadn’t in a long time. After the call with Putin and Trump the other day I decided to see what their perspective is. Found this article to be interesting:

https://www.rt.com/russia/614497-ivan-timofeev-trump-putin-call/
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on March 19, 2025, 07:39:32 PM
Ever since the ramp up to this conflict I’ve sought out different perspectives trying to understand the whole situation better besides just the propaganda we are inundated with. So I have checked in periodically on RT (I know, the jokes write themselves) but hadn’t in a long time. After the call with Putin and Trump the other day I decided to see what their perspective is. Found this article to be interesting:

https://www.rt.com/russia/614497-ivan-timofeev-trump-putin-call/
And here's one from a guy at the University of Texas in Austin, Tx U.S.A.

https://thehill.com/opinion/5198022-ukraine-conflict-disinformation/
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on March 19, 2025, 08:19:26 PM
And here's one from a guy at the University of Texas in Austin, Tx U.S.A.

https://thehill.com/opinion/5198022-ukraine-conflict-disinformation/

Wow. It’s alarming how many people, like he said in the article, have been trained by propaganda that Putin bad, Z good, end of story. The fact is that the West is very complicit in this entire fiasco.

I’d much rather have a functional diplomatic relationship with Russia like we’ve had most of my lifetime rather than the isolation bullshit the West tried that just pushed them closer to our enemies.   

But Alum, Ray, PAMan and Murph will tell you that was “leading with strength” and Trump reopening diplomacy is him doing Putin’s bidding.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on March 19, 2025, 08:21:37 PM
And here's one from a guy at the University of Texas in Austin, Tx U.S.A.

https://thehill.com/opinion/5198022-ukraine-conflict-disinformation/

Two good rebuttals of Kuperman’s opinion piece on Reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1jeia8w/sadly_trump_is_right_on_ukraine/?rdt=58936

See posts by throwAway9a8b7c111 and Ok_Transition220
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on March 19, 2025, 08:22:00 PM
And here's one from a guy at the University of Texas in Austin, Tx U.S.A.

https://thehill.com/opinion/5198022-ukraine-conflict-disinformation/

Well - we know who YOU will be rooting for on Friday. traitor
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on March 19, 2025, 08:25:06 PM
Wow. It’s alarming how many people, like he said in the article, have been trained by propaganda that Putin bad, Z good, end of story. The fact is that the West is very complicit in this entire fiasco.

I’d much rather have a functional diplomatic relationship with Russia like we’ve had most of my lifetime rather than the isolation bullshit the West tried that just pushed them closer to our enemies.   

But Alum, Ray, PAMan and Murph will tell you that was “leading with strength” and Trump reopening diplomacy is him doing Putin’s bidding.
And the author and his sources will be attacked as Russian shills and Putin puppets.

Edit: and me, for posting it.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on March 19, 2025, 08:38:18 PM
And the author and his sources will be attacked as Russian shills and Putin puppets.

Edit: and me, for posting it.

I’ll give you credit for at least not posting an op-ed from a smuck who is a member of a Moscow-based think tank and discussion forum.   
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on March 19, 2025, 10:48:31 PM
I’ll give you credit for at least not posting an op-ed from a smuck who is a member of a Moscow-based think tank and discussion forum.   

Texas. Losing to Xavier and publishing shit for decades.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on March 21, 2025, 01:18:55 PM
Who blew up the gas facility?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on March 21, 2025, 02:47:03 PM
Who blew up the gas facility?

The right.

The left blows up Starbucks, not Taco Bell
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 01, 2025, 02:50:44 PM
Always trust content from The PAXiXeXemHimHerTheyThemMan

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/us-army-drones-shift-20cc5753
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on May 02, 2025, 02:27:05 AM
Custard He/Him is skeptical that the military industrial complex learned much from the Ukraine war other than new ways to scam the American taxpayer.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 02, 2025, 08:23:24 AM
Custard He/Him is skeptical that the military industrial complex learned much from the Ukraine war other than new ways to scam the American taxpayer.

Your guy Trump proposing s big defense spending increase!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on May 02, 2025, 10:03:05 AM
Always trust content from The PAXiXeXemHimHerTheyThemMan

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/us-army-drones-shift-20cc5753

R&D while damaging one of our main geopolitical adversaries at a bargin price. 

Biden admin was badass!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on May 02, 2025, 10:11:09 AM
R&D while damaging one of our main geopolitical adversaries at a bargin price. 

Biden admin was badass!

Yeah what’s a couple hundred billion? At least now that Trump got the minerals deal signed we can get something in return.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 02, 2025, 10:12:44 AM
Yeah what’s a couple hundred billion? At least now that Trump got the minerals deal signed we can get something in return.

We've gotten plenty in return already.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on May 02, 2025, 10:14:39 AM
R&D while damaging one of our main geopolitical adversaries at a bargin price. 

Biden admin was badass!

Yep, and no American soldiers lost. I don't count the wackjob kid who was the son of the Trump CIA bureaucrat who was fighting for the Soviets to be an American soldier.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on May 02, 2025, 11:03:06 AM
"The overhaul is part of President Donald Trump's efforts to counter China's aggressive military."

https://www.newsweek.com/us-army-largest-overhaul-since-cold-war-drones-2067012
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on May 02, 2025, 01:35:12 PM
Yeah what’s a couple hundred billion? At least now that Trump got the minerals deal signed we can get something in return.

Electric cars? Net negative, amirite?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on May 02, 2025, 08:09:30 PM
Electric cars? Net negative, amirite?

Not sure about that but I bet the gap isn’t as wide as sine would like us to believe
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on May 02, 2025, 08:44:52 PM
Yeah what’s a couple hundred billion? At least now that Trump got the minerals deal signed we can get something in return.

Well, we know the fight for human rights,  self-determination, democracy and respect for international law won't motivate Trump and his followers...I guess ripping off Ukraine's natural resources will.

Everything with Trump is transactional or just blind greed.  Bullying is his personal religion.  If you are in need, he sees an opportunity to exploit you. 

I hope a future president tears up the agreement.  We shouldn't be taking advantage of someone's suffering.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on May 02, 2025, 11:18:08 PM
Well, we know the fight for human rights,  self-determination, democracy and respect for international law won't motivate Trump and his followers...I guess ripping off Ukraine's natural resources will.

Everything with Trump is transactional or just blind greed.  Bullying is his personal religion.  If you are in need, he sees an opportunity to exploit you. 

I hope a future president tears up the agreement.  We shouldn't be taking advantage of someone's suffering.

Goddamn dude. The ultimate humanitarian right here. Let’s pump a couple hundred billion into Ukraine to keep them sovereign and then tear up an agreement we made to BUY their minerals at a fair price in exchange. For real, whose side are you on? The only reason most sane people recognize for defending Ukraine in the first place is that they have natural resources the west needs. If it was a desert with nothing to offer no one would give a flying fuck. The west fought for Ukraine for what Ukraine has to offer the west. The Putin hatred and the fever dream nonsense that he’s going to put the band back together was all a smokescreen you stupid dumb idiot.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on May 03, 2025, 02:06:42 PM
The west fought for Ukraine for what Ukraine has to offer the west.

Well, except for the GOP. Because they aren't very good businessmen, bankrupting casinos etc...
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on June 02, 2025, 04:17:36 PM
couple hundred thousand dollars of drones take out 2 billion in aircraft

and people think their guns are gonna protect them from the big bad gubmint

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GcUDEmY2Uo
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on June 02, 2025, 05:14:06 PM
couple hundred thousand dollars of drones take out 2 billion in aircraft

For supposedly not having any cards, that was a heck of a hand Zelenskyy played against Putin.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on June 02, 2025, 08:23:59 PM
couple hundred thousand dollars of drones take out 2 billion in aircraft

and people think their guns are gonna protect them from the big bad gubmint

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GcUDEmY2Uo

They're not very smart
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on June 03, 2025, 02:12:08 AM
Those ancient bombers were nothing but a symbolic target.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on June 03, 2025, 03:34:04 AM
Those ancient bombers were nothing but a symbolic target.

Never thought I'd see the day Republicans became Russian shills!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on June 03, 2025, 10:15:29 AM
Never thought I'd see the day Republicans became Russian shills!

Custard = commie is a match
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on June 03, 2025, 10:18:47 AM
Custard = commie is a match

Nah, not a commie. Definitely likes right-wing oligarchy, though.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on June 03, 2025, 10:20:16 AM
Haha I could give a shit about Russia but the response from the left on this is the most predictable thing ever. Everyone gets throbbing hard about their hero Zelenskyy blowing up a bunch of old obsolete bombers when Russia’s modern nuclear weapons get delivered by submarine or ICBM. Now they think that since Ukraine did this, that Europe needs to attack and finish Russia off while they’re weak. Some seriously deranged and dangerous thinking, all driven by years of TDS.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on June 03, 2025, 10:25:26 AM
Zelenskyy probably has is own problems, but at least he's not trying to colonize other countries by force.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on June 03, 2025, 10:45:43 AM
Haha I could give a shit about Russia but the response from the left on this is the most predictable thing ever. Everyone gets throbbing hard about their hero Zelenskyy blowing up a bunch of old obsolete bombers when Russia’s modern nuclear weapons get delivered by submarine or ICBM. Now they think that since Ukraine did this, that Europe needs to attack and finish Russia off while they’re weak. Some seriously deranged and dangerous thinking, all driven by years of TDS.

If Russia fires up some nukes, none of this matters. We are all dead. FWIW, Russian nuclear subs aren't in the Black Sea, and ICBM stands for "Intercontinental Ballistic Missile" - Ukraine is on the border of Russia, not in North America.

Those bombers would be loaded up with non-nuclear cruise missiles and have been used against Ukraine all war.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on June 03, 2025, 10:47:08 AM
Haha I could give a shit about Russia but the response from the left on this is the most predictable thing ever. Everyone gets throbbing hard about their hero Zelenskyy blowing up a bunch of old obsolete bombers when Russia’s modern nuclear weapons get delivered by submarine or ICBM. Now they think that since Ukraine did this, that Europe needs to attack and finish Russia off while they’re weak. Some seriously deranged and dangerous thinking, all driven by years of TDS.

Your man Bannon thinks that we should abandon Ukraine for doing this nasty thing to Putin

https://www.mediaite.com/media/tv/steve-bannon-calls-on-trump-to-pull-all-support-for-ukraine-after-drone-blitz-on-russians/
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on June 17, 2025, 07:57:31 AM
Putin must have the Pee Tape since he keeps cucking Trump...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/vladimir-putin-humiliates-donald-trump-with-massive-strike-that-kills-an-american/
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on June 19, 2025, 10:28:21 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/19/world/europe/china-hackers-russia-war-ukraine.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QE8.egO9.kpdF0H1PEvqp&smid=url-share

LOL.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on June 23, 2025, 11:44:45 AM
Sounds like Polish CTU agent Stash Bauerski saved Zalensky

https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-assassination-plot-foiled-what-know-2089353
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on June 23, 2025, 12:05:30 PM
Probably the same people that staged the Trump assassination hoax.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on June 23, 2025, 01:07:14 PM
Probably the same people that staged the Trump assassination hoax.

I'll give Zalensky credit from learning from Teump then.

Sure seems like the Soviets are trying to piss off Trump with the whole We will give the Ayatollahs Nukes talk. He may change his mind on Ukraine yet...
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on June 23, 2025, 06:00:32 PM
I'll give Zalensky credit from learning from Teump then.

Sure seems like the Soviets are trying to piss off Trump with the whole We will give the Ayatollahs Nukes talk. He may change his mind on Ukraine yet...

I don't think Russia is in shape to help Iran in a big way.  Syria has been lost and Iran, the big supplier of drones to Russia, doesn't have much of an air defense system.

Only China can help Iran if it wants to force the US to be bogged down in another quagmire in the Middle East.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on June 23, 2025, 07:27:09 PM
Send China a text. They'll be flattered.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on June 23, 2025, 09:06:16 PM
Send China a text. They'll be flattered.

Flatter China?  Hmmm...probably best to write to the head honcho. 

Now how should I start my big beautiful love letter?   Let's take a page out of the Trump "How to Suck Up to an Authoritarian" Playbook.

Dear President Xi:  You're a....
"very smart man"
"brilliant guy"
"one of the smartest people in the world"
"very good man"
"an amazing guy"

Gee, I'm sure Xi will be impressed bigly.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Jobu on June 24, 2025, 03:17:11 PM
I don't think Russia is in shape to help Iran in a big way.  Syria has been lost and Iran, the big supplier of drones to Russia, doesn't have much of an air defense system.

Only China can help Iran if it wants to force the US to be bogged down in another quagmire in the Middle East.

Giggity
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on June 25, 2025, 10:48:33 AM
https://www.semafor.com/article/06/25/2025/trump-praises-brave-ukraine-after-zelenskyy-meeting

Custard and Mn may be changing their tune soon!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on June 25, 2025, 11:48:22 AM
https://www.semafor.com/article/06/25/2025/trump-praises-brave-ukraine-after-zelenskyy-meeting

Custard and Mn may be changing their tune soon!
I'm only speaking for myself but you misspelled may not be.,
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on June 25, 2025, 12:19:54 PM
I'm only speaking for myself but you misspelled may not be.,

You will fall into line with Trump realizing that ThePAMan was AOTC on Putin!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on June 25, 2025, 12:24:29 PM
You will fall into line with Trump realizing that ThePAMan was AOTC on Putin!
Trump is trying to prod the free-loading low thinkers in Europe into thinking that it's in their best interests to shell out a little of their GDP for NATO defense.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on June 25, 2025, 12:42:30 PM
Trump is trying to prod the free-loading low thinkers in Europe into thinking that it's in their best interests to shell out a little of their GDP for NATO defense.

They already agreed to do that except for Spain.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on June 25, 2025, 01:04:33 PM
Trump is trying to prod the free-loading low thinkers in Europe into thinking that it's in their best interests to shell out a little of their GDP for NATO defense.

if we had just pumped a little more money into Ukraine - I mean how much did this trip to Iran cost - and put Russia on their heels, then ALL of NATO would be able to reduce spending.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on June 25, 2025, 01:05:38 PM
They already agreed to do that except for Spain.

Good to see that several European countries have also pledged another round of military aid for Ukraine.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg2q323lg3o
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on June 25, 2025, 01:08:52 PM
They already agreed to do that except for Spain.
Agreeing to is only the 1st step.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on June 25, 2025, 02:14:19 PM
Good to see that several European countries have also pledged another round of military aid for Ukraine.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg2q323lg3o

Which they never would have done if not for the pressure put on them by Trump. You’re welcome.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on June 25, 2025, 02:51:07 PM
Which they never would have done if not for the pressure put on them by Trump. You’re welcome.

European countries have been providing weapons and other military support to Ukraine since Russia invaded the country in February 2022. 
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on June 25, 2025, 02:51:20 PM
Agreeing to is only the 1st step.

Saying you will end the war in 24 hours is only the first step
Saying you will bring down grocery prices on day one is only the first step
Saying you will lower interest rates is only the first step
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Jobu on July 07, 2025, 02:39:37 PM
Giggity

Can't believe this post got ignored. Fuck cocksuckers.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on July 07, 2025, 02:57:48 PM
Can't believe this post got ignored. Fuck cocksuckers.
It didn't go unnoticed. Giggity
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on July 07, 2025, 10:43:04 PM
I gave you a +1 on that rating thing. I think. I should have if I didn't.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on September 10, 2025, 11:04:55 AM
https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/poland-russian-drones-nato-live-latest-news-lj7pk9lxd

Trump's appeasement policies are having their predictable effects.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on September 10, 2025, 11:41:06 AM
https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/poland-russian-drones-nato-live-latest-news-lj7pk9lxd

Trump's appeasement policies are having their predictable effects.

Lol they went off course because of electronics used against the drones by Ukraine. Poland was alerted before they ever entered their air space, then they act like these unarmed drones were a deliberate attack. Jesus. The west really wants WWIII don’t they?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Jobu on September 10, 2025, 11:50:00 AM
I mean, we do have a department of War now, right? Checks out.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on September 10, 2025, 12:07:25 PM
Lol they went off course because of electronics used against the drones by Ukraine. Poland was alerted before they ever entered their air space, then they act like these unarmed drones were a deliberate attack. Jesus. The west really wants WWIII don’t they?

Of course, whatever the Russian trolls on social media spoon-feed you.  Try looking at a map next time.  These drones went dozens of miles out of their way just to fly over Polish territory. 

Men like Putin know only one thing - strength.  He is testing that strength again.

Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on September 10, 2025, 12:15:59 PM
Lol they went off course because of electronics used against the drones by Ukraine.

Custard, I'm looking out my window at a gorgeous bridge. I would like to sell it to you, cheap!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on September 10, 2025, 12:44:47 PM
Russia wants wars on 2 fronts because that usually goes well.

And it will be Trump's fault. Unless, of course, he prevents it. In which case it will be Trump's fault.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on September 10, 2025, 01:05:27 PM
Russia wants wars on 2 fronts because that usually goes well.

And it will be Trump's fault. Unless, of course, he prevents it. In which case it will be Trump's fault.

Trump asked Vlad's help in getting Epstein off the front pages.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on September 10, 2025, 01:21:57 PM
Russia wants wars on 2 fronts because that usually goes well.

And it will be Trump's fault. Unless, of course, he prevents it. In which case it will be Trump's fault.

Wait. I was told that if Trump was President in 2022, Russia would have never invaded Ukraine. Now you're telling me it didn't matter.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on September 23, 2025, 09:37:21 PM
https://www.mediaite.com/media/tv/zelensky-admits-hes-a-little-bit-surprised-trump-is-now-fully-behind-ukraine/

Temper that surprise Zelensky.  All Trump needs is a phone call or be flattered by Putin and he will turn on a dime against you real quick.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on September 24, 2025, 07:27:58 AM
I'm awaiting Golf's and Custard's pro Ukraine MAGA memes....
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on September 24, 2025, 08:50:16 AM
Trump is a negotiator. He pushes and he pulls.
He got NATO to increase their defense spending.
He got the European nations to be a more active participant in defending themselves from Putin.
Then, in front of the UN, he called out the European nations for funding Putin's war effort by buying their oil, at the same time that they were sending out worthless statements and saying that Putin was an existential threat to Europe.
Then he asked the UN delegates why they're not ending wars. Why does he have to do it. 😂😂

Then I read Luke Broadwater's NYT piece this morning.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on September 24, 2025, 10:37:40 AM
Trump is a negotiator. He pushes and he pulls.
He got NATO to increase their defense spending.
He got the European nations to be a more active participant in defending themselves from Putin.
Then, in front of the UN, he called out the European nations for funding Putin's war effort by buying their oil, at the same time that they were sending out worthless statements and saying that Putin was an existential threat to Europe.
Then he asked the UN delegates why they're not ending wars. Why does he have to do it. 😂😂

Then I read Luke Broadwater's NYT piece this morning.

That's your story and you're sticking with it?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on September 24, 2025, 10:42:26 AM
That's your story and you're sticking with it?
Yep.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on September 24, 2025, 11:08:09 AM
Trump is a negotiator. He pushes and he pulls.
He got NATO to increase their defense spending.
He got the European nations to be a more active participant in defending themselves from Putin.
Then, in front of the UN, he called out the European nations for funding Putin's war effort by buying their oil, at the same time that they were sending out worthless statements and saying that Putin was an existential threat to Europe.
Then he asked the UN delegates why they're not ending wars. Why does he have to do it. 😂😂

Then I read Luke Broadwater's NYT piece this morning.

TACO boy is the perfect foil for Putin.  He changes his mind every five minutes on anything to do with Russia. 
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on September 24, 2025, 12:51:10 PM
Trump is a negotiator. He pushes and he pulls.
He got NATO to increase their defense spending.
He got the European nations to be a more active participant in defending themselves from Putin.
Then, in front of the UN, he called out the European nations for funding Putin's war effort by buying their oil, at the same time that they were sending out worthless statements and saying that Putin was an existential threat to Europe.
Then he asked the UN delegates why they're not ending wars. Why does he have to do it. 😂😂

Then I read Luke Broadwater's NYT piece this morning.

Summary. Trump negotiated a 40% decrease in tourism to the US from Europe. Winning.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on September 25, 2025, 11:18:51 PM
That's your story and you're sticking with it?

Pretty factual, but none of that is showing up on Alum, Tempo, Murph, or Ray’s feeds.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on September 26, 2025, 12:54:26 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/My2Sg7Hq/Screenshot-20250924-143425-2.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
uploading pictures (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on September 26, 2025, 05:16:23 AM
'You're funding Putin's war effort .....' comes across as more matter of fact than lecture.

That's my story and I'm sticking with it.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on September 26, 2025, 09:14:59 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/My2Sg7Hq/Screenshot-20250924-143425-2.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
uploading pictures (https://imgbb.com/)

So you want Europe to keep funding Russia’s war effort and not hit them where it really hurts?

This whole Ukraine support thing appears to be one of the biggest scams ever. Western Europe makes a big show of supporting them and condemning Russia and rattling sabers but just keeps right on quietly buying a bulk of their oil and gas from their nemesis.

Trump goes in and encourages them to quit funding Russia’s war efforts and Ray is mad about that. Probably drank a bottle of Tylenol while he was pushing pins into his Trump voodoo doll this morning.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on September 26, 2025, 09:53:02 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/My2Sg7Hq/Screenshot-20250924-143425-2.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
uploading pictures (https://imgbb.com/)

So another childish lecture from Trump.  The UN isn't peeing their pants over what a dementia-addled clown yelled at them for an hour earlier this week.  They are busy trying to figure out how they should restructure their relationships now that the world's sole remaining superpower is a pathetic dumpster fire.  They know what Trump doesn't about life, it goes on.  Countries, powers, leaders like people, come and go.  The world moves on. 
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on September 26, 2025, 02:34:33 PM
Ray is mad about that.

Probably drank a bottle of Tylenol

Ray gets frustrated at times, but never gets mad.

Limit 1 500 mg tablet acetaminophen per day.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on September 26, 2025, 02:38:02 PM
So you want Europe to keep funding Russia’s war effort and not hit them where it really hurts?

This whole Ukraine support thing appears to be one of the biggest scams ever. Western Europe makes a big show of supporting them and condemning Russia and rattling sabers but just keeps right on quietly buying a bulk of their oil and gas from their nemesis.

AI Overview

Sanctions imposed after the 2022 invasion of Ukraine have drastically reduced European imports of Russian oil, although some exceptions and workarounds persist. The European Union (EU) has largely replaced Russian oil with supplies from the US, Norway, and other global producers while continuing efforts to fully phase out Russian energy imports.
Decline in EU imports of Russian oil

Near-total reduction: The EU has almost eliminated its import of Russian crude oil and petroleum products since the invasion of Ukraine. The share of petroleum oil imports from Russia dropped from 29% in the first quarter of 2021 to just 2% in the second quarter of 2025.

Limited exceptions: Landlocked countries, particularly Hungary and Slovakia, were granted temporary exemptions from the ban on seaborne imports. They continue to receive Russian oil via the Druzhba pipeline, though the EU is considering measures to phase out these remaining supplies.

EU phase-out plan: In 2025, the European Commission proposed a regulation to fully phase out Russian oil and gas imports by the end of 2027. This plan includes ending new gas and oil contracts in 2026 and stopping all imports under existing long-term contracts by 2027.
Shifts in Europe's energy market

New suppliers: Europe has diversified its oil sources, with the US becoming the bloc's largest supplier by the end of 2022. Other countries, including Norway, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Iraq, and Angola, have also significantly increased their exports to Europe.

LNG imports continue: While pipeline gas from Russia has dropped substantially, the EU has continued to import Russian liquefied natural gas (LNG), though recent sanctions packages seek to end these imports as well.

Third-country refining: A significant workaround has emerged where third countries, such as India and Turkey, import discounted Russian crude, refine it, and then export the finished petroleum products to Europe. In response, the EU has adopted new measures to ban imports of refined products made from Russian crude.

Impact on Russia's oil exports
Budgetary constraints: The sanctions have reduced Russia's fossil fuel export revenues, impacting its ability to fund its war efforts.

Market redirection: Russia has sought new buyers for its oil, particularly in China and India, but often at a significant discount.

"Shadow fleet" usage: In August 2025, over half of Russia's crude oil exports were transported by a "shadow fleet" of older tankers to circumvent the G7 price cap. A quarter of these were on sanctioned tankers, raising environmental concerns.

Price cap changes: The EU's 18th sanctions package in July 2025 lowered the price cap on Russian seaborne crude to $47.60 per barrel. Stricter enforcement of the cap is projected to further cut Russia's revenues.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on December 08, 2025, 07:50:56 AM
Gee, who could have ever guessed that Zelensky’s administration would be rife with corruption, greed and a complete lack of oversight? He runs the country about as well as Walz is running Minnesota.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on December 08, 2025, 11:15:36 AM
Gee, who could have ever guessed that Zelensky’s administration would be rife with corruption, greed and a complete lack of oversight? He runs the country about as well as Walz is running Minnesota.

Well then, guess it will be Minnesota's own fault when Canada invades.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on December 08, 2025, 01:00:14 PM
It's a good thing the Trumputin admin is as pure as the wind driven snow
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on December 08, 2025, 10:53:25 PM
It's a good thing the Trumputin admin is as pure as the wind driven snow

A few years ago when the American left was engaging in hero worship over the handsome, noble leader of Ukraine (in his fake military fatigues and battle gear) because that’s what Americans were propagandized to do, some of us wanted to exercise caution that this was a notoriously corrupt state and maybe we should be careful about sending a couple hundred billion of American assets over there without significant oversight or reciprocal agreements. This thing has Minnesota written all over it, but on a much, much larger scale.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on December 08, 2025, 11:04:09 PM
A few years ago when the American left was engaging in hero worship over the handsome, noble leader of Ukraine (in his fake military fatigues and battle gear) because that’s what Americans were propagandized to do, some of us wanted to exercise caution that this was a notoriously corrupt state and maybe we should be careful about sending a couple hundred billion of American assets over there without significant oversight or reciprocal agreements. This thing has Minnesota written all over it, but on a much, much larger scale.

Many of the countries we liberated in WW2 were corrupt. You and Trump would have just given them to Hitler and Mussolini. They made the trains run on time. Of course, trains are socialist. So confusing what to do.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on December 08, 2025, 11:05:59 PM
A few years ago when the American left was engaging in hero worship over the handsome, noble leader of Ukraine (in his fake military fatigues and battle gear) because that’s what Americans were propagandized to do, some of us wanted to exercise caution that this was a notoriously corrupt state and maybe we should be careful about sending a couple hundred billion of American assets over there without significant oversight or reciprocal agreements. This thing has Minnesota written all over it, but on a much, much larger scale.

I mean, it's really confusing.

Zelensky is corrupt - so fuck em let Putin run him over.

Honduran President corrupt drug dealer. Pardon him.

Venezuelan drug dealers. Nuke em
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on December 08, 2025, 11:08:37 PM
I mean, it's really confusing.

Zelensky is corrupt - so fuck em let Putin run him over.

Honduran President corrupt drug dealer. Pardon him.

Venezuelan drug dealers. Nuke em

They reportedly stole from the power  system. Not sure our weapons are going towards running Ukraine's power grid.

I guess you just need to be the right type of corrupt to satisfy the Trumpers.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on December 09, 2025, 09:21:52 AM
Many of the countries we liberated in WW2 were corrupt. You and Trump would have just given them to Hitler and Mussolini. They made the trains run on time. Of course, trains are socialist. So confusing what to do.

Patton was right, we defeated the wrong enemy in WWII. Now Western Europe is conquering themselves through suicidal empathy and woke insanity.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on December 09, 2025, 09:24:18 AM
I mean, it's really confusing.

Zelensky is corrupt - so fuck em let Putin run him over.

Your strawman, not mine. Funny Putin never invaded them under Trump, innit?

Venezuelan drug dealers. Nuke em

Agreed.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on December 09, 2025, 09:26:43 AM
They reportedly stole from the power  system. Not sure our weapons are going towards running Ukraine's power grid.

I guess you just need to be the right type of corrupt to satisfy the Trumpers.

This is only the beginning. Just wait.

Though I suspect a lot of western leaders don’t want this egg on their faces, so they’ll do everything they can to suppress the Ukrainian money laundering scheme just as they have the past 10+ years.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on December 09, 2025, 09:46:34 AM
And 25% of his country is missing.   :D

https://x.com/i/status/1998403960168656899
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on December 09, 2025, 09:55:09 AM
This is only the beginning. Just wait.

Though I suspect a lot of western leaders don’t want this egg on their faces, so they’ll do everything they can to suppress the Ukrainian money laundering scheme just as they have the past 10+ years.

Hopeful it's minor stuff like stealing from a children's charity. Or writing off hush money paid to a porn star as legal expenses. Or stealing classified documents and keeping them in their bathroom..
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: alum74 on December 09, 2025, 10:02:03 AM
Patton was right, we defeated the wrong enemy in WWII. Now Western Europe is conquering themselves through suicidal empathy and woke insanity.

The far-right often uses Patton's remarks out of context to suggest that he believed Nazi Germany should not have been defeated, or that America should have sided with Hitler to defeat Russia.  I hope that is not what you are implying.

Patton's remarks refected his frustrations with the post-war balance of power.  Patton fought fiercely against the Nazis and never suggested an alliance with them.

He thought the Soviet Union had become a huge threat and that the US and Britain had been too lenient in allowing Stalin to dominate Eastern Europe.

If Patton were alive today, I don't think there would be any question that he would have been a strong advocate for supporting Ukraine's resistance to Russian aggression.   
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on December 09, 2025, 11:04:51 AM
Patton was right, we defeated the wrong enemy in WWII. Now Western Europe is conquering themselves through suicidal empathy and woke insanity.

Patton said that instead of being allies with France and England, we should have been allies with Nazi Germany?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on December 09, 2025, 11:07:12 AM
"Your strawman, not mine. Funny Putin never invaded them under Trump, innit?"

Incorrect - your strawman. We aren't discussing the invasion, we are discussing the decision to arm or not arm Zelensky. Your premise seems to be that we should not, because you believe the Zelensky administration is corrupt. That gives an implicit pass to Putin.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on December 09, 2025, 11:07:48 AM
If Patton were alive today I am sure he would be pimping the terrorist and cartel funding bitcoin like The Trump Crime Family....
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on December 09, 2025, 11:08:51 AM
And 25% of his country is missing.   :D

https://x.com/i/status/1998403960168656899

Trump's handlers fucked up again. He's not supposed to say that - because 100% of that country is Putin's, not Zelensky's. Ukraine is part of Russia, remember?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on December 09, 2025, 11:10:57 AM
If Patton were alive today I am sure he would be pimping the terrorist and cartel funding bitcoin like The Trump Crime Family....

he would have been campaigning to pardon the Honduran drug running President and Ross Ulbricht, the biggest drug dealer in history.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ILLove1997 on December 09, 2025, 11:43:57 AM
“It says here in this history book that luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?” -Norm MacDonald
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on December 09, 2025, 12:09:24 PM
“It says here in this history book that luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?” -Norm MacDonald

The Korean War?
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Custard on December 09, 2025, 06:05:22 PM
we are discussing the decision to arm or not arm Zelensky. Your premise seems to be that we should not, because you believe the Zelensky administration is corrupt. That gives an implicit pass to Putin.

This is the strawman^

I specifically said we should have had more oversight in the dispersion of aid because everyone knows Ukraine is massively corrupt and everyone is grifting, including a bunch of American politicians and corporations that want to keep the grift going. Like the Biden crime family.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on January 06, 2026, 04:00:16 PM
Without any hint of irony....

https://archive.is/gz6x0

Russia slams 'neocolonial threats' against Venezuela, backs new interim leader
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on January 06, 2026, 04:06:15 PM
This is the strawman^

I specifically said we should have had more oversight in the dispersion of aid because everyone knows Ukraine is massively corrupt and everyone is grifting, including a bunch of American politicians and corporations that want to keep the grift going. Like the Biden crime family.

This guy uses the term “Biden crime family,” then praises Trump with a straight face.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on January 06, 2026, 04:13:25 PM
This guy uses the term “Biden crime family,” then praises Trump with a straight face.

Appears to be more concerned with foreign grifting than Good Ol American Grifting
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: illiniray on January 06, 2026, 04:31:23 PM
This guy uses the term “Biden crime family,” then praises Trump with a straight face.

"Russia Hoax" "Biden Crime Family" "Polly wants a cracker"
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on January 06, 2026, 04:45:44 PM
"Russia Hoax" "Biden Crime Family" "Polly wants a cracker"

Good one, Nichi!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on January 06, 2026, 05:45:36 PM
Appears to be more concerned with foreign grifting than Good Ol American Grifting




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https://x.com/amoneyresists/status/2008334955886129517?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on January 06, 2026, 05:47:13 PM


👀

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https://x.com/amoneyresists/status/2008334955886129517?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on January 06, 2026, 09:37:58 PM



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https://x.com/amoneyresists/status/2008334955886129517?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ

From the Tech Start-ups website.......

Florida-based Unusual Machines, a little-known drone company backed by Donald Trump Jr, said the US army had contracted it to manufacture 3,500 drone motors, alongside various other drone parts,” The Financial Times reported.

"the company has been making an aggressive push into defense—part of a broader effort to build an American-made drone supply chain independent of China."

The company now supplies drone components that meet strict U.S. defense standards, allowing it to compete for military contracts. Its affordable flight controllers and motors are being integrated into next-generation defense drones. Headquartered in Orlando, Unusual Machines has also expanded internationally, acquiring Australia’s Rotor Lab to boost production capacity.

...... now positioning itself as a key supplier in America’s race to reclaim drone manufacturing from foreign competitors.
https://techstartups.com/2025/10/24/trump-jr-backed-drone-company-wins-multimillion-dollar-pentagon-contract/

Taking drone manufacturing away from China sounds like a good deal. Hunter pointed out that the company has never manufactured a drone. That may be true but the article indicates they're involved with components, not drone manufacturing.

Why do you hate American made ?




Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on January 07, 2026, 12:17:03 PM
Just give the Uktainians the Tomahwks and get this over with....

https://metro.co.uk/2026/01/07/us-forces-attempting-seize-russian-flagged-tanker-marinera-atlantic-26130727/
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Judge Judy on January 07, 2026, 12:20:04 PM
Just give the Uktainians the Tomahwks and get this over with....

https://metro.co.uk/2026/01/07/us-forces-attempting-seize-russian-flagged-tanker-marinera-atlantic-26130727/

Yep. They’re fucking around in the wrong hemisphere…
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on January 10, 2026, 12:05:03 PM
Russia wants wars on 2 fronts because that usually goes well.

And it will be Trump's fault. Unless, of course, he prevents it. In which case it will be Trump's fault.

Russia is a security threat.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on February 01, 2026, 09:40:12 PM
So the Commie Army is as hollow as the Soviet Army?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/02/01/xis-corruption-purge-to-make-army-ready-to-invade-taiwan/

Missiles filled with water and broken silos. Inside Xi’s corrupt military
Beijing purges armed ranks as president primes troops for Taiwan
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on February 20, 2026, 02:16:17 PM
Major fail....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2026/feb/20/a-war-foretold-cia-mi6-putin-ukraine-plans-russia

A war foretold:
how the CIA and MI6 got hold of Putin’s Ukraine plans and why nobody believed them

Epstein probably knew!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on February 20, 2026, 03:00:48 PM
Epstein is alive and living in Israel…
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on February 20, 2026, 04:41:04 PM
Epstein is alive and living in Israel…

Probably on the Board of Peace.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on February 20, 2026, 04:42:13 PM
Probably on the Board of Peace.

he likes getting a piece.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on February 20, 2026, 05:09:14 PM
Probably on the Board of Peace.

Trump literally made the case for war against Iran at his Board of Peace summit!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on March 06, 2026, 03:07:36 PM
ThePATheyZionistXeXem AOTC yet again that The Soviets are not our friends....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ar-AA1XErKf

Russia is providing Iran intelligence to target US forces, officials say

At some point everyone here will be forced to admit my AOTCedness.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 07, 2026, 02:41:11 PM
ThePATheyZionistXeXem AOTC yet again that The Soviets are not our friends....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ar-AA1XErKf

Russia is providing Iran intelligence to target US forces, officials say

At some point everyone here will be forced to admit my AOTCedness.

You literally mocked me for 30 minutes about 3 days ago for saying this.

“LOL Ooooh, Russia? They can’t even beat Ukraine!”
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 07, 2026, 02:52:26 PM
You literally mocked me for 30 minutes about 3 days ago for saying this.

“LOL Ooooh, Russia? They can’t even beat Ukraine!”

And these two screenshots are only PART of the discussion. And you accuse me of moving goalposts to fit my narrative. Lol

(https://i.postimg.cc/yNj5yfDJ/IMG-5863.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WDDX2w6j)

(https://i.postimg.cc/yYqHdbcs/IMG-5864.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fkvFq58r)

Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 07, 2026, 02:54:45 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/wBrrr1k5/IMG-5865.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hJ9MzP6h)
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 07, 2026, 02:55:56 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/QMF4cXrd/IMG-5866.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LqM3pFXc)
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 07, 2026, 02:57:13 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/jjf6sCb6/IMG-5867.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gwYLszrr)
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 07, 2026, 02:58:04 PM
Someone may want to call an ambulance for PAMan, he’s bleeding out on the floor.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: murphstahoe on March 07, 2026, 06:09:51 PM
Someone may want to call an ambulance for PAMan, he’s bleeding out on the floor.

The idea is to let the US kill the top guy to open up a power vacuum they can fill

qed
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 07, 2026, 06:11:19 PM
They killed the top 49
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on March 08, 2026, 12:12:40 AM
You literally mocked me for 30 minutes about 3 days ago for saying this.

“LOL Ooooh, Russia? They can’t even beat Ukraine!”

They still can't beat Ukraine and their giving Iran "Intel" isn't helping Iran. So, yeah, you are still dumb and your rooting for Iran is still idiotic
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on March 08, 2026, 12:15:00 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/jjf6sCb6/IMG-5867.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gwYLszrr)

This is working out great for Iran.

Damn, you are being played by Trump like a fiddle.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on March 08, 2026, 12:17:24 AM
The idea is to let the US kill the top guy to open up a power vacuum they can fill

qed

Tempo is too fucking stupid to realize what's actually going on here. He's calling for the UN to intervene.. 
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 08, 2026, 12:30:11 AM
LOL PAMan is apparently too stupid realize he was just completely shredded in this tread. “Complete obliteration” as some might say.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on March 08, 2026, 01:00:45 AM
LOL PAMan is apparently too stupid realize he was just completely shredded in this tread. “Complete obliteration” as some might say.

It is amazing how fucking stupid you are. You are being played and have zero clue. Typical dipshit Progressive.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 08, 2026, 01:02:06 AM
If you say so, Bob.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on March 08, 2026, 01:02:19 AM
Hopefully your kid doesn't fall for your stupid bullshit. Hopefully he gets his smarts from mom. Who is also playing you like Trump is
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 08, 2026, 01:03:34 AM
Can always tell when PAMan is getting legitimately angry.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on March 08, 2026, 01:03:37 AM
If you say so, Bob.

Yep. You are falling for this hook, line, and sinker.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on March 08, 2026, 01:04:47 AM
Can always tell when PAMan is getting legitimately angry.

Nope. Too busy laughing as you pick up dog poop for the dog you didn't want as she walked all over you.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 08, 2026, 01:05:19 AM
Yep, I can’t let a thing like war with Iran distract me from the Epstein Files, even a little bit. I sincerely hope you’re trolling here. If not, JFC…
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 08, 2026, 01:06:14 AM
Nope. Too busy laughing as you pick up dog poop for the dog you didn't want as she walked all over you.

PAMan is angry. He always gets personal when he’s angry. It’s his Hulk like power.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on March 08, 2026, 01:07:38 AM
Yep, I can’t let a thing like war with Iran distract me from the Epstein Files, even a little bit. I sincerely hope you’re trolling here. If not, JFC…

You are the perfect sucker. Trump and the old lady proving it on a daily basis. Elon thanks you for your business!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 08, 2026, 01:11:03 AM
You are the perfect sucker. Trump and the old lady proving it on a daily basis. Elon thanks you for your business!

Trump 2028!
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 08, 2026, 01:11:45 AM
He’s doing everything Bibi wants. You should be ecstatic.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: ThePAMan on March 08, 2026, 01:18:24 AM
He’s doing everything Bibi wants. You should be ecstatic.

Bibi is the perfect boogeyman for Progressive dipshits like you. You remain gullible.
Title: Re: Russia vs Ukraine
Post by: Reacher on March 08, 2026, 01:29:42 AM
Bibi is the perfect boogeyman for Progressive dipshits like you. You remain gullible.


I know.