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Title: at the RAC
Post by: fucking on February 15, 2022, 04:53:54 PM
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Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: The_Truth on February 15, 2022, 05:27:11 PM
Rutgers 88

Illinois 65
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: frankiew on February 16, 2022, 06:49:37 AM
This is a big one. We have to come out with energy and not let up. It's black out night at Rutgers. It will be loud and in your face
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Jrock74 on February 16, 2022, 07:12:59 AM
This is a big one. We have to come out with energy and not let up. It's black out night at Rutgers. It will be loud and in your face
To be honest they all are from this point on. I'm a little surprised we are 4 point favorite. Hawkins was key for us in the last match up.  Have to think he's going to see some significant minutes for this game being how he shut down Harper Jr. last go around.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on February 16, 2022, 07:26:04 AM
We need to play 40 minutes. Not 32. Not 34.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Judge Judy on February 16, 2022, 07:32:35 AM
We need to play 40 minutes. Not 32. Not 34.

Well 40 is the rules in college basketball… 😁
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Lkdog on February 16, 2022, 10:46:30 AM
Tough call. He has made all of 2 shots with 11 boards in last 93 minutes over 9 games in last month. Has taken 1 shot in last 4 games.
His confidence is low right now.

Will need to see how he does and if it isn't working pull him.
Same with Curbelo. And Payne, or BBV.

Only reliable guy off bench right now is RJ.

Going to be on staff to find right combinations in these games as we don't know what we
are going to get right now out of some of these guys.

Rutgers is playing with confidence.

Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Gokuwearsorange/blue on February 16, 2022, 03:31:23 PM
So who do we let Plummer "guard" tonight?

I mean God help us if he is on Geo Baker.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Jrock74 on February 16, 2022, 06:15:49 PM
Took a haymaker to the jaw right out of the gate.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: illinifan57 on February 16, 2022, 06:17:22 PM
Some iffy looking shots taken so far.
Melendez in for 1 minute and already taken out?
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Chickengeorge on February 16, 2022, 06:19:43 PM
Melendez didn't last long.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: jayboek on February 16, 2022, 06:19:58 PM
This gm looks like a L
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 16, 2022, 06:21:42 PM
Payne grabs the offensive board, has a clear path to an easy putback...and brings the ball back down for some strange reason and turns it over.

Hawkins is the biggest WTF on this team. Guy honestly doesn't know what to do when he has the ball. Almost like he is shocked that people pass it to him or something.



Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: illinifan57 on February 16, 2022, 06:23:32 PM
Attaboy Plummer, take it to the rack and score.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Chickengeorge on February 16, 2022, 06:23:52 PM
Payne grabs the offensive board, has a clear path to an easy putback...and brings the ball back down for some strange reason and turns it over.


Head scratcher.  For somebody who only knows how to dunk...
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Jrock74 on February 16, 2022, 06:24:02 PM
Fat lady already humming
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Chickengeorge on February 16, 2022, 06:26:12 PM
Banked in a 3.  we're done.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 16, 2022, 06:26:52 PM
If our open threes are rimming out and Rutgers is banking in threes, it's gonna be a long ass night for us.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Judge Judy on February 16, 2022, 06:27:35 PM
We better get our shit together quickly.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: illinifan57 on February 16, 2022, 06:28:27 PM
Payne grabs the offensive board, has a clear path to an easy putback...and brings the ball back down for some strange reason and turns it over.

Hawkins is the biggest WTF on this team. Guy honestly doesn't know what to do when he has the ball. Almost like he is shocked that people pass it to him or something.
I saw/thought the same thing in regard to Payne. No basketball IQ.

I don't get it concerning Hawkins either.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Judge Judy on February 16, 2022, 06:31:34 PM
All Payne literally had to do was look at the basket and dunk it. He didn’t even attempt to shoot or dunk it. Weird
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Jrock74 on February 16, 2022, 06:39:51 PM
Garbage.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: jayboek on February 16, 2022, 06:40:22 PM
Keep chucking 3's boys.  One will go down eventually after 10 more.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: jayboek on February 16, 2022, 06:40:52 PM
This offense blows.  Plain and simple.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 16, 2022, 06:43:42 PM
0/13 from deep. 3-4 have been airballs.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Jrock74 on February 16, 2022, 06:49:01 PM
Again we were 9th in 3pt % in the conference and 1st in attempts for the season with respect to big ten play.  So this shouldn't be surprising.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 16, 2022, 06:49:27 PM
No clock awareness. Figures we bank in a three and it doesn't count.

I guess the lone bright spot is that we're only down single digits despite airballing threes left and right and getting killed 28-15 on the boards.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Dominic on February 16, 2022, 06:55:11 PM
Embarrassing performance.  It’s a reason why teams so dependent on 3 point shooting dont go far in the tourney. 
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: illinicalvin on February 16, 2022, 06:55:41 PM
We're 100% the team that could absolutely roast a 6 seed in the tournament and turn around and lose by 30 to a 10 seed the following game.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: illinifan57 on February 16, 2022, 06:58:00 PM
What in the hell is Curbelo smiling about running to the locker  room? Not a damned thing to be smiling about. Offense absolutely stinks, Payne(maybe it should be pain) passes up a slam dunk, Hawkins stands there holding the ball for someone else to come pass the ball in after a Rutgers score, etc. BS play, lucky they aren't down by at least 15 at the break. They need to wake up.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: The_Truth on February 16, 2022, 07:00:56 PM
Embarrassing performance.  It’s a reason why teams so dependent on 3 point shooting dont go far in the tourney.

Well maybe this is a good thing because usually we suck in the 2nd half or maybe we pull a suck for both halves performance…
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: illinifan57 on February 16, 2022, 07:08:47 PM
How many fouls does Rutgers get to commit on Kofi before one is called?
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Chickengeorge on February 16, 2022, 07:12:20 PM
We were within 6 and then 2 empty possessions.  Back down double digits.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Jrock74 on February 16, 2022, 07:13:30 PM
We're 100% the team that could absolutely roast a 6 seed in the tournament and turn around and lose by 30 to a 10 seed the following game.

I would be more than satisfied if we get to the sweet 16.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 16, 2022, 07:18:25 PM
Very alarming seeing a veteran laden team come out flat like this. We look like we have no interest in being in the building.

You miss shots, that's one thing. You get beat on loose balls, that's lack of effort.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: The_Truth on February 16, 2022, 07:20:18 PM
We’re gonna suck for 2 halves…

12-1 run…Holy crap we suck…
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Dominic on February 16, 2022, 07:20:42 PM
Granted they didn’t have Baker the first game, but Illinois won 86-51.

It’s 47-28 Rutgers
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: illinicalvin on February 16, 2022, 07:22:53 PM
I would be more than satisfied if we get to the sweet 16.
I can't remember a top 20 Illinois team looking like dogshit as often as this group and yet they're really damn good when the switch flips.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: The_Truth on February 16, 2022, 07:24:28 PM
Granted they didn’t have Baker the first game, but Illinois won 86-51.

It’s 47-28 Rutgers

Where’s Spark and the rest of the Underwhelm nimrods to tell us how great Underwhelm is and how he’s won all these games…

All he’s remembered for right now is how he got housed by a Mid Major and that’s not something previous coaches not named Weber have been remembered for…

I don’t care how many big ten games this guy has won the last 3 years he’s terrible period…Does not make adjustments period…
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: illinifan57 on February 16, 2022, 07:24:47 PM
We were within 6 and then 2 empty possessions.  Back down double digits.
Haven't scored in what, 6 minutes? Disgusting.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 16, 2022, 07:30:08 PM
We're getting exactly what we deserve tonight coming out with pathetic effort like this. 38-21 rebounds is inexcusable no matter how you slice it. I don't see any box outs, hustle, nothing. Lowest energy game of the season for us.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: illinifan57 on February 16, 2022, 07:32:10 PM
Can they make a FT?
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Judge Judy on February 16, 2022, 07:32:22 PM
What the fuck are we doing?! This is terrible and extremely frustrating and embarrassing.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Judge Judy on February 16, 2022, 07:33:17 PM
Down 18
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 16, 2022, 07:34:26 PM
Didn't Brad say they had a very intense shootaround? Obviously that intensity didn't translate over to the actual game.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Chickengeorge on February 16, 2022, 07:34:48 PM
We have 37 fucking points.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Judge Judy on February 16, 2022, 07:36:04 PM
Can’t rebound, can’t shoot, can’t make free throws, can’t defend, can’t pass. I think that about covers it.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 16, 2022, 07:38:00 PM
Sparty, OSU and Michigan all looming. Could very well be staring at a 4 game losing streak if this is the kind of effort we have going forward.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Jrock74 on February 16, 2022, 07:38:16 PM
I can't remember a top 20 Illinois team looking like dogshit as often as this group and yet they're really damn good when the switch flips.

Agreed. This will be our 4th loss by 15 or more points this yr.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Judge Judy on February 16, 2022, 07:40:41 PM
They just said they’re doubling us up on the boards. Rutgers is just flat out punking us.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Dominic on February 16, 2022, 07:45:12 PM
Plummer needs to be in instead of Damonte if you are going to play Hawkins/Melendez at the same time
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 16, 2022, 07:49:30 PM
A shame we didn't play with this kind of energy for the first 35 minutes.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: illinicalvin on February 16, 2022, 07:49:35 PM
Okay pressing now and almost within single digits. It sucks we're here but let's make a run!
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Judge Judy on February 16, 2022, 07:49:37 PM
Melendez needs to start going forward. He needs WAY more minutes. Don’t you think so, Robb??? 🤔
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: illinicalvin on February 16, 2022, 07:50:34 PM
A shame we didn't play with this kind of energy for the first 35 minutes.
I wish more coaches (mainly the last 3 we've had) would be quicker in scrapping crap game plans and playing with desperation.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Gokuwearsorange/blue on February 16, 2022, 07:50:46 PM
Melendez with the friendly reminder that he is better than damonte.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 16, 2022, 07:52:59 PM
Even our pressure defense is half-assed. Harper Jr strolled right to the rim with no resistance.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: illinifan57 on February 16, 2022, 07:54:17 PM
WTF defense was that??
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 16, 2022, 07:55:30 PM
Damn if we scored there, it might have gotten a bit more interesting.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: illinifan57 on February 16, 2022, 07:56:43 PM
Even our pressure defense is half-assed. Harper Jr strolled right to the rim with no resistance.
7 foot and 290 Kofi won't take the charge?
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Judge Judy on February 16, 2022, 07:58:28 PM
Why didn’t we pressure like this about 8 minutes ago?!
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 16, 2022, 08:00:47 PM
This is a garbage time run that John Groce would be proud of.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: ThePAMan on February 16, 2022, 08:03:19 PM
It's ok as Rutgers appears underseeded.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 16, 2022, 08:03:48 PM
We played like shit no doubt about it. I'll give Rutgers their props. They are fucking dangerous right now.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: illinifan57 on February 16, 2022, 08:04:14 PM
Why didn’t we pressure like this about 8 minutes ago?!
Relying on 3 point shooting in the offense to get them back in the game. Dumb coaching. If you press and cause turnovers, you can get open 3s.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Reacher on February 16, 2022, 08:16:24 PM
Really glad I forgot the game was on.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Jobu on February 16, 2022, 08:34:37 PM
Damn. Tough one. Welp. Gotta bounce back.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: ILLove1997 on February 16, 2022, 08:42:42 PM
Gotta make shots

On to the next one
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Lkdog on February 16, 2022, 09:03:10 PM
Tough night. They are a good team. Give them credit.
Get ready for fcking Izzo goonball and bounce back.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on February 16, 2022, 09:56:37 PM
I think I'm glad I missed this one.
2 bad halves in the last 2 games, then this sounds like 2 bad halves in 1 game.
That is a little concerning at this time of year.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Beach Bum on February 16, 2022, 10:24:01 PM
Last year we finished so strong then shit the bed immediately in the tournament.

Maybe this year we finish regular season and BTT like shit then proceed to make the final four.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Custard on February 16, 2022, 11:00:46 PM
Got plenty of good looks throughout the game but their intensity and length on D clearly had us sped up.

Our three point shooting prowess early is kind of a double edged sword now. Players that haven’t been shooting well at all lately still have a bright green light. So then we go away from Kofi when we have a clear advantage there.

But it’s also hard to have them pass up clean looks from three to feed the post when the guys shooting them have shown they can do so at a good clip. And three is still more than two.

Brad has his work cut out for him down the stretch.

What is Belo’s role? How does he define that and rein him in without neutering him? He needs to improve now that he can practice and do strength and conditioning.

What offensive and defensive wrinkles can we work in assuage some of the issues we’ve seen of late? Cut back on the threes and try to get to the rim more? Is this viable with our stable of midget guards? They showed signs tonight but went away from it.

Who, besides RJ, can break out?

I wouldn’t hate to see some zone worked in against lengthy teams like Rutgers or Maryland that aren’t lights out from three. Like Holtmann does for the first couple of ball rotations in a given possession and then switch back to man.

I’d like to see the ball move more quickly at times when the defense is putting a ton of pressure on the ball. We seem to hold on and survey forever which gives the defense time to recover and also keeps them from getting tired.

Kofi needs to be more decisive when he gets the ball. I know he needs to see whether the double is coming or not, but he takes so long that the double is already there and he gets stripped or stacked or has a hard time throwing it out. This is the scouting of the great coaches in the B1G at work. He just needs to develop a better understanding of where everyone is when he catches the ball.

Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: ILLINICHIEF on February 17, 2022, 07:19:13 AM
Illinois played terrible, Rutgets (most underrated team in the B1G-stated this 2 weeks ago) played probably as good as they can...and we lost by 11?

Nothing to worry about here...very few teams will play with that intensity against us for a full game moving forward...also few if any will have that kind of atmosphere....This was Rutgers most important game to date ever...they rose to the challenge, Illinois simply kept missing the broadside of the barn. ILLINI were 0-18 I think at one point....if 1/3 of those had fallen (realistic any other game) we win by 10!!
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Dominic on February 17, 2022, 11:43:59 AM
Illinois played terrible, Rutgets (most underrated team in the B1G-stated this 2 weeks ago) played probably as good as they can...and we lost by 11?

Nothing to worry about here...very few teams will play with that intensity against us for a full game moving forward...also few if any will have that kind of atmosphere....This was Rutgers most important game to date ever...they rose to the challenge, Illinois simply kept missing the broadside of the barn. ILLINI were 0-18 I think at one point....if 1/3 of those had fallen (realistic any other game) we win by 10!!

Lost by 11 is a misnomer. Rutgers was up 60-37 with 7 minutes left. This was an absolute uncompetitive rout from the opening tip off.

Reminded me of the Loyola game.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 17, 2022, 12:56:23 PM
Illinois played terrible, Rutgets (most underrated team in the B1G-stated this 2 weeks ago) played probably as good as they can...and we lost by 11?

Nothing to worry about here...very few teams will play with that intensity against us for a full game moving forward...also few if any will have that kind of atmosphere....This was Rutgers most important game to date ever...they rose to the challenge, Illinois simply kept missing the broadside of the barn. ILLINI were 0-18 I think at one point....if 1/3 of those had fallen (realistic any other game) we win by 10!!

Eh, game was nowhere near as competitive as the final score shows. We decided to finally show up in the last 5 minutes with a garbage time run straight out of the John Groce years. Rutgers whipped our asses up and down the floor pretty much all game long.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Jobu on February 17, 2022, 01:42:17 PM
a garbage time run straight out of the John Groce years.

I just barfed in my mouth a little.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: Custard on February 17, 2022, 02:37:30 PM
Hadn’t we cut it to 10 with plenty of time left when RJ stole the ball under the basket and didn’t convert? He had Trent WTFO on the wing. He throws it out and Trent knocks it down and it’s a 7 point game, all the momentum, and a stunned crowd. Instead he forces it over 2 guys, misses it, Rutgers rebounds and comes down and scores. That was it.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: ridingthegrange on February 17, 2022, 04:45:50 PM
Hadn’t we cut it to 10 with plenty of time left when RJ stole the ball under the basket and didn’t convert? He had Trent WTFO on the wing. He throws it out and Trent knocks it down and it’s a 7 point game, all the momentum, and a stunned crowd. Instead he forces it over 2 guys, misses it, Rutgers rebounds and comes down and scores. That was it.


That was the moment for me as well.  The kid played really well but missed this chance.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: fucking on February 17, 2022, 07:54:12 PM
I was surprised, when I looked back at my photos, to find that he had a pretty clean look at the bucket. But the angle was bad.
Title: Re: at the RAC
Post by: ILLINICHIEF on February 18, 2022, 07:03:35 AM
Eh, game was nowhere near as competitive as the final score shows. We decided to finally show up in the last 5 minutes with a garbage time run straight out of the John Groce years. Rutgers whipped our asses up and down the floor pretty much all game long.

It was only competitive from Rutgers standpoint, as stated, IF ILLINI would have shot 1/3 of 3's in we win regardless of how well Rutgers played. Simple math really.