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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: frankiew on February 03, 2022, 12:46:28 PM
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5 years in let's take a look around
Brad Underwood-87 61 49-40 in big ten, 1 NCAA Tourney (would have made it year of Covid) 30-7 in last 37 big ten games
Brian Gregory-South Florida 63-79 24-52 no NCAA
Anthony Grant-Dayton 92-48 54-24 One NCAA (Covid year)
Kevin Keatts-NC ST 89-60 41-43 1 NCAA (Bubble covid year)
Lavall Jordan-Butler 80-66 38-47 1 NCAA (+1 covid year)
Patrick Ewing-Georgetown 68-72 26-52 1 NCAA
Archie Miller -Indiana 67-58 33-45 0 NCAA(Bubble Covid year) fired after 4 seasons
Chris Holtmann- 100-49 52-35 4 NCAA
Wyking Jones-Cal 16-47 5-31 let go after 2 seasons
Mike Hopkins-Washington 79-68 40-42 1 Ncaa Tourney
Will Wade-Lsu 99-46 50-29 2 NCCA (+1 for Covid year)
Cuonzo Martin-Mizzou 74-69 32-46 2 NCAA
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Interesting. Thanks.
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Really surprised Archie face-planted the way he did. Did not see that coming.
Had pretty high expectations for Keatts. Has been meh.
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Holtmann and Wade are clearly the best.
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Kind of have to take into account the shape of the program they took over right? Holtmann vs Underwood had completely different tasks
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Wade is going to end up out taking a seat on the bench at some point pretty soon. LSU is a total joke for not dumping him now for blatant violations , but, hey, their football team pays players too.
Underwood has done a decent job. If we can get to a S16 this year he will be doing just fine.
Will be another rebuild after this year, but we should be OK and hopefully get back to tourney in 2024 with some pickups in FA/transfer market.
https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/how-does-will-wade-still-have-a-job/ (https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/how-does-will-wade-still-have-a-job/)
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Wade is going to end up out taking a seat on the bench at some point pretty soon. LSU is a total joke for not dumping him now for blatant violations , but, hey, their football team pays players too.
Underwood has done a decent job. If we can get to a S16 this year he will be doing just fine.
Will be another rebuild after this year, but we should be OK and hopefully get back to tourney in 2024 with some pickups in FA/transfer market.
https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/how-does-will-wade-still-have-a-job/ (https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/how-does-will-wade-still-have-a-job/)
“Hopefully back to the tourney in 2024?” If Underwood misses the tourney in 2023 that will be significant failure. Particularly if Curbelo returns, which at this point seems fair.
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WTF are you talking about?
We are going to lose all five starters.
Like 95% of the scoring and minutes.
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WTF are you talking about?
We are going to lose all five starters.
Like 95% of the scoring and minutes.
Where is Curbelo going? Also, “hopefully 2024?” If we miss the tourney two consecutive years we hired the wrong coach (and from the results 5 years in, I don’t think we did). There’s also the transfer portal.
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Unless Curbelo plays like an All-American the next 8 weeks, I don’t know where he’d be going. Unless he’s desperate to get out, which isn’t anything I’ve heard, at least.
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Three starters are definitely leaving. Belo is not a starter.
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I'll try.
Curbelo has started 4 of 7 games and played 140 minutes. He's hardly a starter right now.
Our starters, who will all be gone next year, scored 71 of our 80 points vs Wisco.
And the transfer portal works both directions. Players can leave too.
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“Hopefully back to the tourney in 2024?” If Underwood misses the tourney in 2023 that will be significant failure. Particularly if Curbelo returns, which at this point seems fair.
I mean we "could" make the tourney in 2023, but as far as I can see its looking like a rebuilding year
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I am assuming that Plummer is gone. He was at a juco for 2 years at Arizona Western before his 2 years at Utah and now a year here.
Not sure how he would get another year.
Trent/Jacob/Damonte are all done.
Kofi will not be back. He will be 23 this year.
Not impossible for next year if we pull in some experienced scorers and big men.
Otherwise it is Curbelo (if he returns) and a bunch of decent looking young kids with some promise.
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We'll have Dainja, Hawkins, Leib and ? as our bigs
we will miss a shitload of experience and shooting though, but if Plummer comes back that would be very helpful
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We'll have Dainja, Hawkins, Leib and ? as our bigs
we will miss a shitload of experience and shooting though, but if Plummer comes back that would be very helpful
Plummer is playing his 5th year now. IDK how he gets a 6th or why he would want one. He will be 25 this year.
He can make good money at next level somewhere.
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Would be nice if the team got some wins in this year's tourney before people start worrying about next year and the year thereafter.
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Would be nice if the team got some wins in this year's tourney before people start worrying about next year and the year thereafter.
would be nice if you shut the fuck up too
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would be nice if you shut the fuck up too
Shut up and bowl, Donny.
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would be nice if you shut the fuck up too
💯
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Would be nice if the team got some wins in this year's tourney before people start worrying about next year and the year thereafter.
Easy tiger. This is a basketball forum and we are actually talking basketball.
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would be nice if you shut the fuck up too
This post made me smile.
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Kofi could come back if NIL money is more than he’d make in the G League.
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This post made me smile.
I'll admit it made me laugh out loud.
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I'll admit it made me laugh out loud.
Yeah, I don't know what it was. It just hit right, you know?
Great post.
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Yeah, I don't know what it was. It just hit right, you know?
Great post.
thanks fag
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thanks fag
You betcha!
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Unless Curbelo plays like an All-American the next 8 weeks, I don’t know where he’d be going. Unless he’s desperate to get out, which isn’t anything I’ve heard, at least.
Curbelo/Epps/Harris Pg type of guards (Harris would only be a 3rd PG if needed I think)
Pods/Harris/Rodgers WG types (Epps as well from scoring standpoint)
Goode/Meledez/Rodgers WF types
Hawkins/Goode/Melendez PF types (Melendez will make a huge jump imo)
Payne/Dainja/Leib C types.
Overall not bad balance as we have some experience at every spot...Would need a HUGE year from Rodgers/Hawkins/Dainja to be anywhere near the top 1/3 of the conference and or even sniffing the Top 25. Our only save would be many other teams will be down in conference as well on some level.
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Not impossible for next year if we pull in some experienced scorers and big men.
Otherwise it is Curbelo (if he returns) and a bunch of decent looking young kids with some promise.
A potential 1st team All-American PG with some “decent looking young kids with promise” should get you into the discussion in a 64 team tournament. Probably not title contenders, but by no means should we be writing next year off.
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I'll try.
Curbelo has started 4 of 7 games and played 140 minutes. He's hardly a starter right now.
Our starters, who will all be gone next year, scored 71 of our 80 points vs Wisco.
And the transfer portal works both directions. Players can leave too.
He was a pre-season All-American on some lists. He counts as a starter. The only real reason he isn’t starting has been health issues.
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Easy tiger. This is a basketball forum and we are actually talking basketball.
He’s afraid if we take away our focus on this forum, we might take our eye off the ball and start losing in March.
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I forgot about Payne too so we do have some depth there just no all American center, next years squad should be interesting on paper right now but we all know that 3-4 kids will probably transfer out and we will get some unknowns in... and we will be pretty young by b1g standards
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He’s afraid if we take away our focus on this forum, we might take our eye off the ball and start losing in March.
golds! golds! golds! golds! golds!
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Plummer is playing his 5th year now. IDK how he gets a 6th or why he would want one. He will be 25 this year.
He can make good money at next level somewhere.
On what grounds would he get a 6th year?
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Curbelo/Epps/Harris Pg type of guards (Harris would only be a 3rd PG if needed I think)
Pods/Harris/Rodgers WG types (Epps as well from scoring standpoint)
Goode/Meledez/Rodgers WF types
Hawkins/Goode/Melendez PF types (Melendez will make a huge jump imo)
Payne/Dainja/Leib C types.
Overall not bad balance as we have some experience at every spot...Would need a HUGE year from Rodgers/Hawkins/Dainja to be anywhere near the top 1/3 of the conference and or even sniffing the Top 25. Our only save would be many other teams will be down in conference as well on some level.
Would probably need a meaningful transfer to be really good. But I would think Underwood could sell available PT on a team that’s been pretty good for 3 years.
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The term rebuild is completely different now with the transfer market changing. I doubt Brad is just going to take a year off and let whoever is left develop. They’ll look at what they have and aggressively fill in the gaps in the transfer market.
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He’s afraid if we take away our focus on this forum, we might take our eye off the ball and start losing in March.
Can't lose in March.
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Can't lose in March.
That’s why it’s necessary that we here at HQ2 focus on the now. Not next year.
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I doubt Brad is just going to take a year off and let whoever is left develop.
cf. two-thirds of Indiana's starting line-up tomorrow.
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thanks fag
Ok, so fucking Spark never showed up to rip Q’s ass for using the word “fag”, which is supposedly a huge trigger point for him.
When Jobu says “Retard” or “Fag”, Spark feels the need to get outraged.
So, what the fuck? I think I’m gonna go ahead and conclude that Spark is a fucking joke and a cocksucker, and needs to go ahead and fuck off.
Have a great day, fellas! Go Illini!
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You’re an odd duck.
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WTF are you talking about?
We are going to lose all five starters.
Like 95% of the scoring and minutes.
you called it
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Would be nice if the team got some wins in this year's tourney before people start worrying about next year and the year thereafter.
AOTC.
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He’s afraid if we take away our focus on this forum, we might take our eye off the ball and start losing in March.
And what happened?
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you called it
We cleaned up in the transfer market. Glad I was wrong.
Will anchor our team as the young guys develop.
All credit to staff. Remarkable pivot to new roster.
We should be very competitive.
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Something something big toe