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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: ThePAMan on November 22, 2021, 08:07:28 PM
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Vote.
I type as well as Underachiever coaches.
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Bruce gonna lose on purpose tonight to face us
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It really is going to be a bad Thanksgiving isn't it? Lose to Bruce, Bears lose to Detroit, neither fucking POS coach gets the axe, the cream of mushroom soup in the green bean casserole is made with poisonous mushrooms....
GA assholes get acquitted...Biden has a grabber and Kamala is in charge....
Bielema gets outcoached by fucking Fritzee...I get hit by a bicyclist.
Custard names Tyler Jackson or whatever the hell is his name HQ2 Moderator....
After Tony LaRussa is given a "contract as Sox Manager for life" we learn he is actually a vampire who can never die....
Aaron Rodgers re-signs with the Packer....Keith Richards dies....
Custard merges HQ2 with Loyalty and Peoriaman is the new moderator.
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Every Illini forum may as well shut down if we lose to Weber tomorrow.
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Every Illini forum may as well shut down if we lose to Weber tomorrow.
I will drive to Champaign and burn down Custard Cup if we lose to BAM
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I will drive to Champaign and burn down Custard Cup if we lose to BAM
Hahaha. See if you can find Underachiever's dog, ala Dan Devine.
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You know Weber will coach the game of his life tomorrow. Not that he has to do much because Underwood won't do a damn thing to counter whatever he throws at us.
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So we get Bruce Almighty tomorrow night?! This is gonna be fun.
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You know Weber will coach the game of his life tomorrow. Not that he has to do much because Underwood won't do a damn thing to counter whatever he throws at us.
And even if Bruce loses by 5-10 he can still say “he kicked Underwood’s butt.”
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Well, if Nagy is getting the axe after Thursday, maybe there is hope the moron running the athletic department will axe Underachiever after he loses to Weber. Score may be 12-10.
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So not only playing Bruce Weber tonight, but Mark Smith as well. We lose this and I won’t watch another game all season.
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So not only playing Bruce Weber tonight, but Mark Smith as well. We lose this and I won’t watch another game all season.
lol I totally forgot he transferred there!
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This has little upside for us, and a lot of potential to be ugly fallout.
Just take care of business. Time to stop shitting the bed out there.
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Is it too early to call this a must-win game? It sure feels like we lose this and things could spiral out of control.
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Is it too early to call this a must-win game? It sure feels like we lose this and things could spiral out of control.
Well, I think the prospect of losing to four straight normal D1 opponents should be a defcon 4 status for staff.
The Big Ten and our team turned out to be very over rated last year.
The program had all summer to prep for new roles for people besides standing around watching Ayo try to score or pass to Kofi.
We look pretty disorganized on both sides of the ball and in our rotation and lineups.
The injuries and suspension held us back without question.
No more excuses. Time to figure it out.
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Can’t lie, if we lose to Weber and Mark Smith scores 25 I’m gonna snicker.
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Can’t lie, if we lose to Weber and Mark Smith scores 25 I’m gonna snicker.
We need to monitor his minutes....
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How badly do you think Weber wants to win this game? Lol
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I don't believe we've ever beat Mark Smith.
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I don't believe we've ever beat Mark Smith.
Except verbally, when he was in the hospital with the flu or whatever.
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Except verbally, when he was in the hospital with the flu or whatever.
Lol
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This game is so good it is on ESPNews. Man, we suck right now.
This better be a beat down. Fuck Bruce Weber. He's an asshole and his custard and lawn mowing skills suck.
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Lol
I was hoping I would get a positive reaction to that one....
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I don't believe we've ever beat Mark Smith.
Nope. And he’s only averaged like 5 ppg against us lol.
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I had no idea Mark Smith went to KSU to team up with Bubbles. Holy shit this is embarrassing.
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Mark Smith rocking the 1987 era shorts. I like it.
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Mark Smith rocking the 1987 era shorts. I like it.
Weird observation and comment for $200, Alex.
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Kofi flashing his agility and passing skills there just before the break!!!
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Weird observation and comment for $200, Alex.
I could say water is wet and you’d find fault with it. Less weird than than the TikTok you posted. I’m just digging the old school look.
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Frazier. Firing up air balls
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Plummer out of rotation quickly lol
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Frazier. Firing up air balls
Too much dancing on TikTok.
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We clearly don’t value ball security.
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why is Damonte in so much?
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Plummer heating up
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why is Damonte in so much?
damonte and trent are twins. If they dont score well their about worthless.
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Frazier with a, uh, pass off the backboard to Koburn. He probably wants an assist on that ugly shot, too.
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why is Damonte in so much?
If he isn’t gonna shoot the wide-open three he had earlier, then he doesn’t need to be in this much. If you’re not a threat on the offensive end, all it does is handicap us and he needs to be on the bench.
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Frazier with a, uh, pass off the backboard to Koburn. He probably wants an assist on that ugly shot, too.
that was plummer
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Plummer heating up
Get this mthrfcker 8 three balls a game.
Let him play and shoot.
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I had no idea Mark Smith went to KSU to team up with Bubbles. Holy shit this is embarrassing.
I had no idea that he went to K-State either. Got tired of Clownzo? Smith has score 2 points more than I wanted to see him score. OOOPS, make it 4
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wow someoen drove it in!
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that was plummer
My bad, I just saw a lefty shot and assumed it was Frazier.
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I had no idea that he went to K-State either. Got tired of Clownzo? Smith has score 2 points more than I wanted to see him score. OOOPS, make it 4
I think he's a grad transfer
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so Plummer hits 3 3's now rides pine?
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Curbelo! Hold the ball another 6 seconds longer, why don't you?
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Shot 60%. 5-12 from 3. 8 turnovers, which is good for us. Up 3.
Who thinks we can shoot 60%, go 5-12 from 3 in the 2nd half ?
K State with 2 turnovers, with 7 points off turnovers.
We have 1 point off K State turnovers.
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so Plummer hits 3 3's now rides pine?
Hulka gonna Hulka.
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Lol Curbelo got benched
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Lol Curbelo got benched
hes hurt
but seriously get plummer in
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man we are bad
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Did trent frazier just forget how to play basketball?
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get frazier and williams out!
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Bruce Weber with all white hair is bizarre looking
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We’re losing to BAM in the second half 🤣🤣🤣
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plummer gets in and hits a 3 yet he sat on bench for 10+ mins
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plummer gets in and hits a 3 yet he sat on bench for 10+ mins
Underwood is fucking idiot
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this run is without frazier and williams
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this run is without frazier and williams
Williams should never see the floor.
Frazier will be fine.
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stop passing at kofis feet
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Nice find by Kofi. Plummer is on fire tonight.
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For those dogging on coaching, you can tell the point was stessed to kofi to kick the ball out when he is doubled or tripled.
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For the love of god, please don't blow this.
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For those dogging on coaching, you can tell the point was stessed to kofi to kick the ball out when he is doubled or tripled.
Its third grade basketball. About fcking time he passed the ball.
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We should be taking 25-27 threes a game with this team.
We only took 17 a game last year.
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Williams should never see the floor.
Frazier will be fine.
I'm liking the Hutcherson and Grandison pairing, quick/athletic. and Plummer can't be sitting for long stretches.
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Trent hurt. Fuck.
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Frazier out. Hope it’s nothing serious
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Plummer is that dude tonight
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Williams should never see the floor.
Frazier will be fine.
Williams is one of our better rebounder. Had 10 last night.
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Damn Plummer! 😮
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Plummer is that dude tonight
Let him play. Let him shoot. He is the best 3 point guy we have had in years.
Hulka is a fucking moron.
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Williams is one of our better rebounder. Had 10 last night.
He kills us otherwise.
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Put these fcktards away.
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Wow..plummer
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Plummer it’s your world tonight.
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Plummer is on fi-ya!7/8 on 3s.
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Can someone posterize Mark Smith, please?
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You cannot win in 2021 without taking the threeball.
We have the guys.
This is not that hard Hulka.
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Do not let these asshats back in it
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Now we're trying to blow this. Come on you fucks.
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Trent is 0 for his last 15 from the field.
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This is painful to watch
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ready for this bruce blow by
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Has Weber mellowed? Never seen him so calm.
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ready for this bruce blow by
Was just going to ask this
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Has Weber mellowed? Never seen him so calm.
He likely has about $5 million in the bank.
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Has Weber mellowed? Never seen him so calm.
He knows he has the Custsrd Cup to fall back on
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Has Weber mellowed? Never seen him so calm.
He grew his hair out and started eating gummies and micro dosing. He's calm.
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So next game they should start Belo, Plummer, Grandison, Hawkins, and Kofi and see what happens. Frazier is just not working right now.
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Patented Weber blow by!
Suck it, Brucie.
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K State blows.
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We beat Weber. The week isn't totally lost.
Finally beat Smith too, who once again did jack shit against us.
K state sucks for sure but that was a W we had to get.
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We beat Weber.
Only because he didn't play Mark Smith 4 to 5 more minutes in this game
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Yes, Weber's a custard-sucking asshole. I hope Mark Smith cries in the locker room, etc. etc.
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So next game they should start Belo, Plummer, Grandison, Hawkins, and Kofi and see what happens. Frazier is just not working right now.
Those guys definitely need to be out there. Not sure who should start but the core is pretty obvious. Frazier will bounce back. Bring Hutcherson heavy in the mix.
Payne gives Kofi a blow.
Damonte mostly sits.
And commit to taking a buttload of threes.
Everybody except Kofi should have the green light.
The very idea reduces the doubles and hedges on Kofi.
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Only because he didn't play Mark Smith 4 to 5 more minutes in this game
<<snicker>>
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Only because he didn't play Mark Smith 4 to 5 more minutes in this game
You’re slipping man, it was 3-5.
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You’re slipping man, it was 3-5.
3 would not have been enough this game
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Anyone check on Harv, Kathy Bumble Bee, Peoriadouche, NovaArmyMan, and the rest of the MerryMen?
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Somewhere, Champaign Transplant is sobbing.
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Somewhere, Champaign Transplant is sobbing.
He get an IRS audit notice in the mail?
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Those guys definitely need to be out there. Not sure who should start but the core is pretty obvious. Frazier will bounce back. Bring Hutcherson heavy in the mix.
Payne gives Kofi a blow.
Damonte mostly sits.
And commit to taking a buttload of threes.
Everybody except Kofi should have the green light.
The very idea reduces the doubles and hedges on Kofi.
yeah wow gee we look good when we're making 3's
just like a weber team
I'm not sold on this year's squad just yet, we look like complete donkey shit unless we're running it through Kofi
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Anyone check on Harv, Kathy Bumble Bee, Peoriadouche, NovaArmyMan, and the rest of the MerryMen?
Nova still around? I had forgotten about that guy. He was Spark before Spark for me.
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He get an IRS audit notice in the mail?
"I have extremely complicated taxes."
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He was Spark before Spark for me.
That's harsh.
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That's harsh.
I mean we used to go back and forth endlessly.
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yeah wow gee we look good when we're making 3's
just like a weber team
I'm not sold on this year's squad just yet, we look like complete donkey shit unless we're running it through Kofi
Of course we run it through Kofi. But,
you have to take them to make them and it helps to have the guys out there shooting them who can make them the most.
It is simple math and metrics.
And if we take them it helps Kofi do his thing.
It will be a different guy or guys every night. Kofi will get his 19 ppg.
And we will get 27 to 36 from three.
Decent formula to win most games.
But you can't make 9 to 12 threes if you only take 15.
We don't get to the line or attack off dribble well enough to manufacture points those ways enough.
It's Kofi and the 3ball.
Curbelo needs to facilitate.
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Granted Plummer/Frazier is the same offensive player but the best offense is probably Curbelo/Plummer/Frazier/Hawkins/Kofi. Very small backcourt, likely terrible defensively, but an offense that can be lots of 3s and Kofi layups which is what you want
Defense is going to be bad compared to last year bc Miller/Ayo were 6’5 long rangy athletes and replacing those 2 with much smaller guards is going to for sure hurt.
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Oh almost forgot
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Classic!
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😂
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Trent on crutches but no ACL tear, per Underwood.
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Trent on crutches but no ACL tear, per Underwood.
I wasn’t thinking ACL, but it did look like a potential multiple
Game injury. Hope he gets back soon.
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Trent on crutches but no ACL tear, per Underwood.
This season is off to an auspicious start.
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This season is off to an auspicious start.
I just can’t watch November basketball. It’s just so bad.
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I just can’t watch November basketball. It’s just so bad.
Glad you resurfaced.
Really can get boring here with the pseudo intellectual narcissistic posturing bullshit.
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Glad you resurfaced.
Really can get boring here with the pseudo intellectual narcissistic posturing bullshit.
I might be around for a few game threads. Not much more than that.
Agreed on your assessment.
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That was the first game I turned off before it was over in quite some time. You could just tell we weren’t going to make any kind of a run. Cincinnati is exactly the kind of team we struggled with last year.
After we went up 23-8 and they called timeout and started swarming Kofi and jamming the pick and roll it felt just like the Loyola game to me. But with better athletes.
There are a lot of good players on this team but outside of some spurts here and there we don’t look like a team yet at all. The staff has to get some more wrinkles into the offense because some teams will be able to take away our pick and roll and when they do we have to have something else to go to.
I still think this team has a ton of potential but they have a lot of shit to figure out. It’s obvious when watching Purdue (who we’ve handled the last two seasons) returning 94% of their scoring and 100% healthy versus us battling injuries and suspensions to key players and learning to play without Ayo.
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Wait, this board actually has multiple regulars that want to fire Underwood right now?
And I thought the scout board was full of basketball morons, Jesus Christ.
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Wait, this board actually has multiple regulars that want to fire Underwood right now?
And I thought the scout board was full of basketball morons, Jesus Christ.
ThePAMan sure talks like it on here and of course Truth/Dominic.
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Wait, this board actually has multiple regulars that want to fire Underwood right now?
And I thought the scout board was full of basketball morons, Jesus Christ.
I don't, really, but I think the extension this summer was dumb and missing the tournament this year is terminable.
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I don't, really, but I think the extension this summer was dumb and missing the tournament this year is terminable.
Nothin like hiring a dude who rebuilds your mediocre program and then firing him soon after.
I think a lot of our fans have standards that are too low but if our standards are so high that we’re talking about firing coaches directly after they completely rebuilt our program into a nationally relevant conference title contender we’re probably never going to have any sustained success.
Underwood has been an unqualified success here so far.
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Agreed.
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I don't, really, but I think the extension this summer was dumb and missing the tournament this year is terminable.
Agreed on the extension. I like to see someone “do it twice” before getting extended. And in my opinion, doing it twice means doing it without Ayo, at a minimum.
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Not really sure what the problem with the extension is. The “Bill Self cautionary tale about getting a good coach and PAYING HIM” has been the most enduring Illini basketball fan trope of the century.
He almost entirely tore down a mediocre program and rebuilt it and owns the best conference record over the last two seasons. And we paid him.
It gives current recruits reassurance that he’ll be here until they are done playing and shows we are serious about paying good coaches by moving him into the top 10 highest paid coaches in the country.
They also increased his buyout so that the school will collect more money if he moved on. Certain performance metrics have to be met to keep him on until the end of the contract.
Doesn’t seem any more risky than just sitting pat and having to likely pay even more for a guy in a few years if this thing crashes and burns. And barring some egregious shit, he’s going to be here that long regardless.
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Wait, this board actually has multiple regulars that want to fire Underwood right now?
And I thought the scout board was full of basketball morons, Jesus Christ.
I would say most people do not have a real strong opinion either way.
He has had a couple good conference years. The tourney faceplant was on him.
The start to this year is not great.
I think he is a limited tactical and game coach, but a decent motivator over the course of the season and I think guys like playing for him. He also seems like he is not an asshole.
Overall about average. I give him a B- in his time here.
If he can get this program into a S16 a couple times in next 5 years, he will rise above garden variety.
I have modest expectations.
If we miss tourney this year and next couple years, then the firing talk will heat up.
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Wait, this board actually has multiple regulars that want to fire Underwood right now?
And I thought the scout board was full of basketball morons, Jesus Christ.
Hahaha. I'm afraid that Loyola game is going to define his legacy here.
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What I get from this is because Weber and Groce sucked, we should be thankful Underachiever has (maybe) gotten Illinois basketball back to where it should be...an annual top 25 tournament team.
Ed Orgeron is out of a job, but Illinois loses to Loyola, as a 1 seed, and Underachiever gets an extension while losing his bag men. All makes perfect sense.
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Unfortunately, the ceiling with Underachiever looks to be nowhere as close to the ceiling under Bill Self. Yeah, I know he is a premier coach (who has botched some infamous games). But isn't that what Illinois should aspire to? Does anyone really think Underachiever is going to compete for a national championship?
And, sorry, the backups on the top teams are mopping the floor with Texas Rio Grande.
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Tons of people including some well respected talking heads predicted Illinois to win the tourney last year.
They got beat by the #17 AP (#10 KenPom) team that had played in a final four recently. It’s just the name of the school and the seed that make it seem like a horrible loss.
It really sucked though because we know deep down as Illini fans we don’t get those opportunities very often.
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Tons of people including some well respected talking heads predicted Illinois to win the tourney last year.
They got beat by the #17 AP (#10 KenPom) team that had played in a final four recently. It’s just the name of the school and the seed that make it seem like a horrible loss.
It really sucked though because we know deep down as Illini fans we don’t get those opportunities very often.
It was a horrible loss because a) the team was completely and utterly unprepared for the game and b) Loyola went on to get its ass royally kicked in the very next game. Not sure KenPom predicted that Loyola would get crushed the next game.
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a dude who rebuilds your mediocre program...Underwood has been an unqualified success here so far.
His unqualified success was signing a Mt. Rushmore-level Illini great and having him come back for a 3rd year. This is a Weber '04 fallacy at work. It doesn't mean he's not the answer, either, of course, but it's not a lifetime contract event. I don't see anyone clamoring to hire BU and it's not a per se detriment for a wildly successful coach to leave, anyway.
I think where I disagree with a lot of people is the degree of difficulty in building a high major program on the talent side with Illinois' resources. There's no mysterious magic to what BU did: he hired an A+ recruiting staff. It's not the only way to win, but our greatest eras have come from grand slam recruiting wins. In 2021, particularly with transfers, that can flip a program in 1-2 years on the talent side. What I'm interested in is whether it's sustainable and the coach can win even when he doesn't have an All-American. BU could not his 1st 2 years and it's a massive TBD for this year and whether we'll have NBA talent signing up again.
As I've said before, there isn't an athlete in the country who earnestly cares how many years are left on a coach's contract. That's noise put out by a trade group of multi-millionaires, and it's hilarious/sad that university admins still fall for it.
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They got beat by the #17 AP (#10 KenPom) team that had played in a final four recently. It’s just the name of the school and the seed that make it seem like a horrible loss.
That and the game wasn't even competitive.
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Tons of people including some well respected talking heads predicted Illinois to win the tourney last year.
They got beat by the #17 AP (#10 KenPom) team that had played in a final four recently. It’s just the name of the school and the seed that make it seem like a horrible loss.
It really sucked though because we know deep down as Illini fans we don’t get those opportunities very often.
You are turning into that Harv guy.
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You are turning into that Harv guy.
ouch!
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You are turning into that Harv guy.
Damn!
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And yesterday I was too hard on Plummer. 🤷🏻♂️ Just trying to provide objectively true information.
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And yesterday I was too hard on Plummer. 🤷🏻♂️ Just trying to provide objectively true information.
It was a terrible loss.
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And yesterday I was too hard on Plummer. 🤷🏻♂️ Just trying to provide objectively true information.
keep it up, I enjoy reading your posts... they are usually true so its kind of hard to reply with a hot take reply lol
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And yesterday I was too hard on Plummer. 🤷🏻♂️ Just trying to provide objectively true information.
No, you can just be a total homer sometimes. And you are not very objective about Plummer. Kofi sure as fck wants him out there chucking away.
I can point you to several metrics that show his value even as one dimensional as he is.
But you did start this board so I give you much credit and respect for that, and even donated to the cause.
No other board would put up with us.
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I think you’re missing my point about Plummer. I was actually talking him up all off-season as part of my assertion that this team could be a better tourney team than last year’s. Which got construed as “We are better without Ayo” and I took a bunch of heat for it.
It’s not that he doesn’t add a lot of value to the team, it’s that when we don’t have our other main offensive weapons at the guard slots he’s going to draw the best defender and be a focus point for the defense. I hope it’s a temporary situation.
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You are turning into that Harv guy.
Your posts about Underwood sound like Truth at this point.
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Your posts about Underwood sound like Truth at this point.
Sorry you are offended by being challenged on your illogical comments. I know you are not used to that here. I deal in actual outcomes. Underwood is a pretty mediocre coach by objective standards. I have regularly given him significant credit
for the 19/20 season. He had a tough defensive system by second half, took Ayo off the ball where he was much better, and other guys contributed on a balanced scoring team.
Otherwise he has been pretty much just a guy. The new contract is bizarre but they found enough rich guys to foot the bill.
Maybe you think he is actually a top 10 coach. I don't give a shit either way about it. They are all overpaid.
6th year in P5. 93-70. 49-47 in conference play. 1-2 in NCAA tourney and arguably one of worse losses in Illinois history.
I even give him 5 more years barring a Weber like collapse. I assume we will make the tourney this year and maybe a couple more times during that period.
And maybe you wish to discuss our start with some admittedly tough breaks. This is where one might separate the sheep from the goats.
This is where other relatively average guys like Gard and Painter earn their pay.
At least we should compete better, see better basic execution and adjustments even if we lose.
Lets see what Underwood's team does tonight and the next two games because it will require a lot of coaching and motivation.
I don't even care if we lose. The season is not make or break in November and December. But just compete and execute at a higher level.