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General Category => The Deuce => Spark vs Tempo => Topic started by: Reacher on August 22, 2021, 01:02:27 AM
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Anyone here still think he’s good? I’ll be fairly shocked if he’s still here in 2023. Thought about putting this is the spicy takes thread, but thought he deserved his own thread.
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Yes…
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/matt-nagy-wanted-play-calling-back-and-it-may-cost-him-his-job/?amp
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Hahahahaha
https://beargoggleson.com/2021/08/22/chicago-bears-mitchell-schwartz-comments-matt-nagy-free-agency/amp/
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Anyone here still think he’s good?
there are zero Nagy fans first here
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there are zero Nagy fans first here
He'll likely be gone next year. He needs to have a really good season to stay, and the schedule is really tough. Not to mention the choice between a rookie or a backup-quality QB.
Doubt anyone will cry if he doesn't meet expectations and is fired this year.
That said, he hasn't been quite the disaster some people want to paint him as. The Bears have had a heck of a lot of coaches who didn't have as much success.
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He'll likely be gone next year. He needs to have a really good season to stay, and the schedule is really tough. Not to mention the choice between a rookie or a backup-quality QB.
Doubt anyone will cry if he doesn't meet expectations and is fired this year.
That said, he hasn't been quite the disaster some people want to paint him as. The Bears have had a heck of a lot of coaches who didn't have as much success.
Pretty solid (to great) defense in a weak division, minus the Packers. Even the Packers wouldn’t look as good in a tough division IMO.
So let’s say for the sake of debate the Bears go 7-10 this year. Does Pace go, too? Surely they can’t let Pace hire his successor. But they did let Pace draft Trubisky’s successor, so who knows. I have no idea to pretend what owenership thinks.
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The Bears are garbage. I expect nothing out of them, and nothing is what I usually get.
Yes, there have been worse coaches. John Fox was just wasting time here. But Nagy has not gotten it done. He either needs to let the play calling go and figure out how to head coach, or go somewhere and be an offensive coordinator.
Yeah, Fox brought zero excitement but at least you thought you were getting a bonafide NFL coach. He was a worse version of Cubs’ Lou Pinella.
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there are zero Nagy fans first here
There were some puffing his peter pretty hard a couple years ago.
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The Bears are garbage. I expect nothing out of them, and nothing is what I usually get.
Yes, there have been worse coaches. John Fox was just wasting time here. But Nagy has not gotten it done. He either needs to let the play calling go and figure out how to head coach, or go somewhere and be an offensive coordinator.
There have been few 'better' coaches, at least in terms of results, in my lifetime. It's basically Nagy and Ditka, kind of Lovie in the last 60 years (post-Halas).
That doesn't mean he's good 'enough' by any means, but in terms of results he's been better than most coaches the Bears have had in the last six decades.
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The biggest thing that makes me pessimistic this year isn't the coach or roster, but the schedule. It's one of the toughest in recent memory for any team.
I don't expect Nagy to last, unless they hit a big lottery win with Fields.
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Which is like being the valedictorian of your summer school class.
I don't agree - if you win more games than you lose as an NFL coach, you're probably not a total disaster. Winning NFL games ain't easy.
EDITED TO ADD: Also, I am pretty quick to disregard the "yeah but he had a great roster!" thing. Ignoring that I think it overstates how good the Bears' roster actually is, pretty much every great coach ever has had a great roster.
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I don't think the Bears win 7 games. Maybe 5.
And if you fire Nagy, you have to fire Pace. Start from scratch. Which this shit organization I'm sure is not prepared to do. Because if you think you're going to have to do that, (which you most likely will), you have to have some kind of plan, like right fucking now, on what the fuck you're gonna do.
Which I'm sure they don't. I'm tired of the fucking Bears. Pure shit garbage. And they are going to fucking ruin Justin Fields. Hell, they would have ruined Tom Brady. Or Peyton Manning.
I agree, firing Pace “should” be a no-brainer if they tank; but we’re talking about the Bears, so who knows?
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I don't agree - if you win more games than you lose as an NFL coach, you're probably not a total disaster. Winning NFL games ain't easy.
EDITED TO ADD: Also, I am pretty quick to disregard the "yeah but he had a great roster!" thing. Ignoring that I think it overstates how good the Bears' roster actually is, pretty much every great coach ever has had a great roster.
Again, weak division. And IIRC they’ve also had some schedules that weren’t that brutal. Also, that defense was really great his first couple years. Especially year one, by far his best year.
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The 2018 defense was one of the top 10 single season defensive teams of all-time.
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Again, weak division. And IIRC they’ve also had some schedules that weren’t that brutal. Also, that defense was really great his first couple years. Especially year one, by far his best year.
Yes, he had a solid roster and a great defense, no doubt. That doesn't discredit him as much to me as it does to you. Winning NFL games just isn't easy. Most great coaches in all sports come with great rosters. Very few coaches have carried mediocre talent to the promised land.
On the flip side of the defense, he's had a bad-to-awful offensive line and pretty brutal QB play for most of his time in Chicago. Those are tough things to overcome for anyone. And he certainly deserves some blame, especially for the QB play and playcalling, but not all of it.
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I agree, firing Pace “should” be a no-brainer if they tank; but we’re talking about the Bears, so who knows?
If they truly go under .500 and keep Pace and Nagy, there will be outrage - and rightfully so. They opened the window, if they can't win in that window then any rational actor would find someone who might be able to while the window's still open.
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Yes, he had a solid roster and a great defense, no doubt. That doesn't discredit him as much to me as it does to you. Winning NFL games just isn't easy. Most great coaches in all sports come with great rosters. Very few coaches have carried mediocre talent to the promised land.
On the flip side of the defense, he's had a bad-to-awful offensive line and pretty brutal QB play for most of his time in Chicago. Those are tough things to overcome for anyone. And he certainly deserves some blame, especially for the QB play and playcalling, but not all of it.
He’s had one good year and a couple mediocre ones. His offense has been utter garbage for most of three years. He’s also had the fortune of playing in a weak division and expanded playoffs. He’s been “ok” but if he isn’t handed a generational defense he’d probably be unemployed already.
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If they truly go under .500 and keep Pace and Nagy, there will be outrage - and rightfully so. They opened the window, if they can't win in that window then any rational actor would find someone who might be able to while the window's still open.
It’s possible drafting Fields bought them two years. Only because of Fields.
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If they truly go under .500 and keep Pace and Nagy, there will be outrage - and rightfully so. They opened the window, if they can't win in that window then any rational actor would find someone who might be able to while the window's still open.
Rational and Bears’ ownership don’t often go together. They are notoriously slow to make big changes, especially when they “like” someone.
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He’s had one good year and a couple mediocre ones. His offense has been utter garbage for most of three years. He’s also had the fortune of playing in a weak division and expanded playoffs. He’s been “ok” but if he isn’t handed a generational defense he’d probably be unemployed already.
Maybe true, but also true for so many great coaches in various ways. Good players make coaches look good. It's the way of it in sports.
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Maybe true, but also true for so many great coaches in various ways. Good players make coaches look good. It's the way of it in sports.
Again, you’re comparing basically one pretty successful year (his first, which he had little impact on other than having the headset) to longer and sustained success. Just about any dope could let Vic Fangio run his once in decade defense and stay out of the way.
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Again, you’re comparing basically one pretty successful year (his first, which he had little impact on other than having the headset) to longer and sustained success. Just about any dope could let Vic Fangio run his once in decade defense and stay out of the way.
Yeah, I mean, I just don't agree with your last sentence at all. It's never easy to win games in the NFL, and talent doesn't do it by itself. No one's just rolling the ball out there.
But obviously, if you're willing to say about his most successful season "he had little impact on it", you and I aren't going to agree here. That just isn't a real thing.
What do you think Belichick - rightfully considered the GOAT - 's record is without Tom Brady? Does the fact that he had Tom Brady for the huge majority of his career lessen his quality to you? It doesn't to me.
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Jobu dropped the ball here. The correct response to a topically redundant late night Tempo post is to ignore it.
C'mon guys.
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Tempo v. Spark! Seems like the old days. Where is mini ditka? Royko?
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Slide into their DMs
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Yeah, I mean, I just don't agree with your last sentence at all. It's never easy to win games in the NFL, and talent doesn't do it by itself. No one's just rolling the ball out there.
But obviously, if you're willing to say about his most successful season "he had little impact on it", you and I aren't going to agree here. That just isn't a real thing.
What do you think Belichick - rightfully considered the GOAT - 's record is without Tom Brady? Does the fact that he had Tom Brady for the huge majority of his career lessen his quality to you? It doesn't to me.
You don’t have to agree with it to be true. Face it, I’ve been correct on the Bears all along. Including the Mack deal. Which as I said at the time, was a textbook example of putting the cart before the horse. It’s laughable to think Nagy had any serious affect on the 2018 defense. He didn’t touch defense and has even said so in fairly plain words.
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Jobu dropped the ball here. The correct response to a topically redundant late night Tempo post is to ignore it.
C'mon guys.
Fucking is a poor username for you. You should be known as Fuckboi.
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Yeah, I mean, I just don't agree with your last sentence at all. It's never easy to win games in the NFL, and talent doesn't do it by itself. No one's just rolling the ball out there.
But obviously, if you're willing to say about his most successful season "he had little impact on it", you and I aren't going to agree here. That just isn't a real thing.
What do you think Belichick - rightfully considered the GOAT - 's record is without Tom Brady? Does the fact that he had Tom Brady for the huge majority of his career lessen his quality to you? It doesn't to me.
Is “impact on it” was he stayed out of Fangio’s way and didn’t screw things up (for the most part).
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Although I could easily argue Nagy cost them at least two regular season wins that year.
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Matt Nagy stinks.
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Yeah, I mean, I just don't agree with your last sentence at all. It's never easy to win games in the NFL, and talent doesn't do it by itself. No one's just rolling the ball out there.
But obviously, if you're willing to say about his most successful season "he had little impact on it", you and I aren't going to agree here. That just isn't a real thing.
What do you think Belichick - rightfully considered the GOAT - 's record is without Tom Brady? Does the fact that he had Tom Brady for the huge majority of his career lessen his quality to you? It doesn't to me.
Again…with the Belichick comparisons (even for sake of argument)? C’mon, dude. There isn’t a serious person in football who thinks Nagy is remotely in Belichick’s stratosphere.
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I'm slipping. No doubt.
Basically, I'm getting worse at posting by the day.
ILLINICHIEF must be rubbing off on you
or rubbing you off
or something
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Matt Nagy stinks.
What did you think of Nagy’s impact on the defense in 2018?
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I love the multiple different responses to the same post. Just like the old days.
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Fucking is a poor username for you. You should be known as Fuckboi.
This is an excellent take, well done
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I’m in bed by midnight more often than not these days, and Fuckboi is still living in 2010.
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What did you think of Nagy’s impact on the defense in 2018?
He stunk then too.
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I love the multiple different responses to the same post. Just like the old days.
My mind is constantly working. Like a hamster on a treadmill. I have multiple thoughts I want to address, and then I do.
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I’d rather do them in quick bursts than make a 7 paragraph post.
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My mind is constantly working. Like a hamster on a treadmill. I have multiple thoughts I want to address, and then I do.
I'm sure Rob will have thoughts on this one.
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I'm sure Rob will have thoughts on this one.
I look forward to every Fuckboi post. He completes me.
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I look forward to every Fuckboi post. He completes me.
That's sweet.
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My mind is constantly working. Like a hamster on a treadmill. I have multiple thoughts I want to address, and then I do.
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I had a feeling Tempo was a once-in-a-generation intellect.
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Ouch lol
https://beargoggleson.com/2021/08/23/chicago-bears-matt-nagy-incompetent-andy-dalton-justin-fields/2/
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I had a feeling Tempo was a once-in-a-generation intellect.
Straw-man alert!
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I had a feeling Tempo was a once-in-a-generation intellect.
Could be, but he doesn't seem to know what a strawman is, or how to destroy it.
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Could be, but he doesn't seem to know what a strawman is, or how to destroy it.
But I could be wrong.
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Or maybe not. But I wouldn't bet against it.
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Just spitballing here but he may or may not
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Fuckboi and Custard really know how to dull up a conversation.
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Fuckboi and Custard really know how to dull up a conversation.
I laughed.
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Again…with the Belichick comparisons (even for sake of argument)? C’mon, dude. There isn’t a serious person in football who thinks Nagy is remotely in Belichick’s stratosphere.
If you don't understand why I used Belichick, who - as I mentioned - is rightfully considered the GOAT.. I don't know what to tell you.
Without Tom Brady on his roster, Bill Belichick has a worse career record than Matt Nagy. That's not to say that I think they are comparable coaches in any way, but it's just impossible to separate a coach, his results, and his roster.
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Nobody with an actual working brain thought you were making a direct comparison between Nagy and Belichick.
He’s just Tempoing, lol
A fucking men
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Nobody with an actual working brain thought you were making a direct comparison between Nagy and Belichick.
He’s just Tempoing, lol
But he is. He’s brought up Belichick many times when defending Nagy, and my point is it’s preposterous. And the comparisons aren’t direct, they are indirect, which gives his arguments “cover.” And they are still preposterous.
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Without Tom Brady on his roster, Bill Belichick has a worse career record than Matt Nagy.
See, that’s just a horrific defense of Matt Nagy. No one should take this statement seriously. That’s not to say Belichick hasn’t benefited greatly from having Tom Brady. Use this argument on an NFL set and you’d be laughed out of the studio.
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I once asked Spark to name me an “expert” on the NFL. Ironically, the only name he came up with was Bill Belichick.
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“Without Tom Brady, Bill Belichick has a worse record than Matt Nagy.”
*But I’m not comparing them. But I
am. But I’m not. But I am. But I’m not. Know what I mean.*
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The point is, invoking Bill Belichick’s name to defend Matt Nagy is a 90 degree turn off the expressway ramp.
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Carry on. I'm not discussing this for another 10 pages.
Oh yes you will. And you will like it!
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He's using Belichick as an example. He's not comparing Nagy to Belichick.
Smh…
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The point is, saying “I’m not saying he’s as good as Belichick; but his record is better than Belichick’s without Brady” is an utterly worthless statement. Why invoke Belichick when not one person thinks Nagy is in his realm? It’s just word salad meant to obfuscate and carry water for Nagy.
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Who where thinks Belichick’s Cleveland stint would have been better had he inherited a historically good defense?
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Or perhaps even better yet, historically good offense.
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Benching Bledsoe for Brady in the midst of a Super Bowl season is reason alone to understand that Nagy isn’t in his stratosphere (even early in their careers). Nagy would never bench a “pro bowl” veteran qb for a 6th round rookie. He’s hesitant to do it for a generational talent.
And Bledsoe was a more talented quarterback than Dalton ever was. Bledsoe also not on his third team in three years.
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Of course Spark isn’t “directly” comparing Nagy to Belichick, but the indirect comparison gives him the cover of an “I’m not saying, I’m just saying” argument. It’s pointless.
Sure, In 20 years we might be talking about Nagy as a generational coaching genius, but the odds on that are severely long. So what is the point of comparing their early records. I’m not sayin,’ I’m just sayin.’
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Well, this discussion is just as boring as one might easily predict. Except the part about Judy fucking men. That's notable.
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Well, this discussion is just as boring as one might easily predict. Except the part about Judy fucking men. That's notable.
Do you even watch the NFL? We could talk about obscure indie bands. That sounds like a fun topic.
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I thought Bledsoe got hurt and that is why Brady got his chance. If there was only some way to check on this.
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I thought Bledsoe got hurt and that is why Brady got his chance. If there was only some way to check on this.
I believe he did. But then Belichick stuck with him. How many coaches have the guts to bench a high profile qb for a 6th round rookie? Even after injury. Not like Brady came out of the gate throwing for 400/4. Big numbers didn’t come for him till 5-6 years later.
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Yes, Bledsoe was running towards the sideline on a scramble, slowed up as he was about to go out of bounds, and got hammered. His own damn fault.
Correction: He was going for a first down, but still should have gone out of bounds, IMO. He wasn't exactly fleet of foot.
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Do you even watch the NFL? We could talk about obscure indie bands. That sounds like a fun topic.
Or dumpster diving tricks and tips
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Regardless, the “I’m not sayin’ I’m just sayin’” argument is weak, and below Spark’s standards.
Who else think this sounds a lot like “All of the pieces are in place.”
A tweet from Jason Lieser
Why does Matt Nagy think the Bears' offense will be better in 2021?
"Probably the way we've been practicing, the tempo... I told you all when I got here, this offense takes a few years to get going. We're at that spot right now. We've had guys on this team for 2, 3, 4 years."
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He probably thinks the O will be better because it can't get worse and MVP Mitch is gone. Problem for Nagy is that Nagy is still running the O.
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He probably thinks the O will be better because it can't get worse and MVP Mitch is gone. Problem for Nagy is that Nagy is still running the O.
Nagy just sounds like a snake oil salesman to me, and has since season 1.
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Nagy just sounds like a snake oil salesman to me, and has since season 1.
We were ahead of the curve. While Spark, MiniDitka, and Royko were using names like "Belichick" and "Halas" in the same post as "Nagy," we were using "Gibron" and "Neil Armstrong."
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Regardless, the “I’m not sayin’ I’m just sayin’” argument is weak, and below Spark’s standards.
Who else think this sounds a lot like “All of the pieces are in place.”
A tweet from Jason Lieser
Why does Matt Nagy think the Bears' offense will be better in 2021?
"Probably the way we've been practicing, the tempo... I told you all when I got here, this offense takes a few years to get going. We're at that spot right now. We've had guys on this team for 2, 3, 4 years."
I never listen to a word of the preseason hype, I'll watch some games and see if they are a dumpster fire or not... usually are under Nagy so...
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He probably thinks the O will be better because it can't get worse and MVP Mitch is gone. Problem for Nagy is that Nagy is still running the O.
Strange how the Chief's O got better since he left eh... ;D
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“Without Tom Brady, Bill Belichick has a worse record than Matt Nagy.”
*But I’m not comparing them. But I
am. But I’m not. But I am. But I’m not. Know what I mean.*
I'm not.
I'm using it specifically to point out that saying "sure his results are good but he had a good roster" is fucking stupid. There's no way to separate a coach from the players he coached, so why try?
Like, if you really, actually believe I am trying to say "Matt Nagy and Bill Belichick are comparable coaches", I'm obviously wasting my time trying to talk about this. You know I'm not saying that, right? That I'm using Belichick as an example to show how silly it is to try to separate a coach's results from his roster?
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Who where thinks Belichick’s Cleveland stint would have been better had he inherited a historically good defense?
Everyone. Everyone thinks that.
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You fucked up again, J.
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...I'm obviously wasting my time trying to talk about this....
How many years have you been jousting with Tempo?
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I'm not.
I'm using it specifically to point out that saying "sure his results are good but he had a good roster" is fucking stupid. There's no way to separate a coach from the players he coached, so why try?
Like, if you really, actually believe I am trying to say "Matt Nagy and Bill Belichick are comparable coaches", I'm obviously wasting my time trying to talk about this. You know I'm not saying that, right? That I'm using Belichick as an example to show how silly it is to try to separate a coach's results from his roster?
I specifically said you weren’t comparing them directly. Directly, or indirectly. Either comparison is horse shit.
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Nope. You said “Belichick” and “Nagy” in the same post. Which means, in Tempo speak, you’re fucked. Because from here on out, you somehow made a favorable comparison between the two.
You can’t see that he’s using the “I’m not saying, I’m just sayin” trope? Nagy and Belichick shouldn’t be used in ANY sort of comparison. Ever. Well, maybe 20 years from now when Nagy has a record remotely in the ball park of Bill Belichick (in Spark’s words, the only “football expert” he could think of).
20 years from now, Nagy will probably be the QBs coach for Pittsburg State.
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Again, if Nagy didn’t fall ass backwards into a ready made generational defense, he’d probably have been canned already. This isn’t hard.
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...we all pay taxes.
CT doesn't. And he wants to know where all the rich white women are at.
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I’m just saying that out of all the arguments Spark has ever made, continuously invoking Belichick’s name in Matt Nagy discussions is one of the worst. He’s smarter than that.
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What is the point of having the option to post photos if absolutely everything is “too large?”
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Tweet from Bears beat reporter:
Sounds like lots of #Bears fans are acting surprised that HC Matt Nagy has made a mess of the QB situation. Y’all cut Nagy some slack over the last two years when he didn’t deserve any and now it’s beginning to show.
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What is the point of having the option to post photos if absolutely every is “too large?”
put it on imgur or something and do an image link
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put it on imgur or something and do an image link
Sounds like extra work, but I’ll look at it next time.
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What is the point of having the option to post photos if absolutely everything is “too large?”
It's an intelligence test.
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It's an intelligence test.
Because knowing how to downsize a photo on your phone is the key to humanity, amirite?
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I’m just saying that out of all the arguments Spark has ever made, continuously invoking Belichick’s name in Matt Nagy discussions is one of the worst. He’s smarter than that.
One thing I'll give you: I brought him up giving you more credit than you deserved. My mistake, I suppose.
You still haven't even attempted to address the actual point I was making.
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Maybe he is. See, I pretty much don’t care. I’m not trying to win an argument. I think Nagy sucks. I think the Bears suck. I said I think they’ll win 5 games.
Spark has a higher opinion of Nagy than most. Fine. He also said he thinks he won’t survive this year. Whatever. Who gives a shit. The sun rises in the east, sets in the west, the Bears fucking suck and we all pay taxes.
I don’t think it’s worth dissecting the whole Nagy Belichick crap anymore. If you and Spark want to continue that, fine. But it’s obvious you’re “playing your role” by zeroing in on one fucking thing and going on and on about it.
I got pussy tonight. 2 nights in a row. The Bears can eat shit and die as far as I’m concerned.
I don't even have a particularly high opinion of Nagy. I give credit to NFL coaches for wins. I don't look at a dude with a good record and say "yeah but, he had a great defense!" because that's silly and a slippery slope; it would be dumb and chaotic to apply that standard to everyone, as evidenced by the Belichick discussion. Nobody's out here saying "yeah but, he fell ass backwards into the best QB ever!" even though that's, to some degree, true. No one says "Phil Jackson's got a great record but he never coached a team without one, often two, of the top-15 or so players ever on it" even though again, that's true.
If Nagy loses games, he SHOULD BE canned - even if I thought he was the best coach ever saddled by an ineffective roster (NOTE: TEMPO, I DON'T THINK THIS). If he wins games, he shouldn't be canned.
I also, admittedly, find something funny about the dual opinions "Ryan Pace sucks for drafting a huge bust like Trubisky" and also "Matt Nagy sucks because he didn't make it past the first round with a dude I think sucks at the most important position, because he had an elite defense that Pace constructed".
If Justin Fields can play, he will tell us a lot about where the issue really was IMO.
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You forgot that Ryan Pace also sucks for trading up to get Trubinsky.
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I don't even have a particularly high opinion of Nagy. I give credit to NFL coaches for wins. I don't look at a dude with a good record and say "yeah but, he had a great defense!" because that's silly and a slippery slope; it would be dumb and chaotic to apply that standard to everyone, as evidenced by the Belichick discussion. Nobody's out here saying "yeah but, he fell ass backwards into the best QB ever!" even though that's, to some degree, true. No one says "Phil Jackson's got a great record but he never coached a team without one, often two, of the top-15 or so players ever on it" even though again, that's true.
If Nagy loses games, he SHOULD BE canned - even if I thought he was the best coach ever saddled by an ineffective roster (NOTE: TEMPO, I DON'T THINK THIS). If he wins games, he shouldn't be canned.
I also, admittedly, find something funny about the dual opinions "Ryan Pace sucks for drafting a huge bust like Trubisky" and also "Matt Nagy sucks because he didn't make it past the first round with a dude I think sucks at the most important position, because he had an elite defense that Pace constructed".
If Justin Fields can play, he will tell us a lot about where the issue really was IMO.
What you seem to forget is that Nagy has had one really good year as a HC. His rookie year. Your point would carry a fuckton more water if he was a winning coach over 10 years. “But he was the HC” is about the most simplistic analysis I’ve ever seen. Over a short period of time; a lot of mediocre coaches could be successful if the cards fall in their favor.
And we’ve yet to see a competent offense from the offensive genius in 3+ years of being here.
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Again, using Belichick as an example is absolutely moronic because he’s been winning for 20 years and made 9 Super Bowls. Yes, he was lucky to have Tom Brady. He also was smart enough to draft him. And as valuable as Tom Brady is, he has to have help; and Belichick successfully turned that roster core over about 4x in the past 20 years. Trying to compare Nagy and Belichick in any way whatsoever is a fucking joke (even just as an analogy). Pick a better argument.
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The main reason Matt Nagy sucks is because he can’t tailor his offense to his personnel, and he can’t call an effective game; and he shrinks under pressure. If you give him a generational defense, he’s ok.
Nagy’s ego is also a liability.
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Tweet from Bear beat reporter Jacob Infante:
It’s okay for a team to admit their rookie QB is better than their veteran. The Patriots weren’t afraid and cut Cam Newton. The #Bears are still starting Andy Dalton.
Generally, if you’re doing something the exact opposite of Bill Belichick, you’re probably doing it wrong.
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Tweet from Bear beat reporter Jacob Infante:
It’s okay for a team to admit their rookie QB is better than their veteran. The Patriots weren’t afraid and cut Cam Newton. The #Bears are still starting Andy Dalton.
Generally, if you’re doing something the exact opposite of Bill Belichick, you’re probably doing it wrong.
I’ll second this.
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Tweet from Bear beat reporter Jacob Infante:
It’s okay for a team to admit their rookie QB is better than their veteran. The Patriots weren’t afraid and cut Cam Newton. The #Bears are still starting Andy Dalton.
Generally, if you’re doing something the exact opposite of Bill Belichick, you’re probably doing it wrong.
Why are you comparing Belichick and Matt Nagy???
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The Bears are a shitty organization, why you think all of a sudden they would be acting like a big boy franchise and start doing things to actually win football games is a fools errand.
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Why are you comparing Belichick and Matt Nagy???
Glad this didn't fall to me. :)
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Why are you comparing Belichick and Matt Nagy???
Contrasting is different from comparing.
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Tempo the Contraster
A legend that will last a lunchtime.
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Tempo the Contraster
A legend that will last a lunchtime.
Why are you in this thread 8 pages in? Do you even know who Matt Nagy is?
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I popped in to make fun of you. What's the big deal? 🤷♂️
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rob shizo posting like teamwork orange back in the day... LOL
(https://i.imgur.com/cTw9QDG.png)
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I popped in to make fun of you. What's the big deal? 🤷♂️
I was just thinking after like 12 years of obsessing over me, maybe you could find a new hobby?
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https://youtu.be/j13oJajXx0M
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https://youtu.be/j13oJajXx0M
Are you denying Rob has had a special boner for me for a long time?
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I only make fun of you when you do something idiotic. I know that might seem like a lot ...☹️
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Welp, we can put the final nail in the coffin of Spark’s theory that Nagy had any influence on Fangio’s defense.
Hub Arkush was on The Score this morning saying Mike Pettine was brought in this year specifically so that Nagy wouldn’t get bogged down having to mentor a rookie defensive coordinator. If he’s not willing to mentor a young coordinator on defense in his 4th year, safe to say he wasn’t involved much if at all when Fangio was here as a rookie HC.
“But he was the head coach!”
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Welp, we can put the final nail in the coffin of Spark’s theory that Nagy had any influence on Fangio’s defense.
Hub Arkush was on The Score this morning saying Mike Pettine was brought in this year specifically so that Nagy wouldn’t get bogged down having to mentor a rookie defensive coordinator. If he’s not willing to mentor a young coordinator on defense in his 4th year, safe to say he wasn’t involved much if at all when Fangio was here as a rookie HC.
“But he was the head coach!”
Not sure that proves he had nothing to do with Fangio's D. But I agree with you that he probably had as much to do with it as Ditka did with Buddy Ryan's 85 Bears D.
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Not sure that proves he had nothing to do with Fangio's D. But I agree with you that he probably had as much to do with it as Ditka did with Buddy Ryan's 85 Bears D.
I’d say there were similar situations. Though the Nagy/Fangio marriage was a more civil arrangement.
Anyone paying attention knows Nagy had nothing to do with Fangio’s defense. It’s hilarious to say otherwise. “But he was the head coach!”
I’m sure Nagy had his hands full as rookie HC/defacto offensive coordinator
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Oh, boy…
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/bears-marquise-goodwin-throws-shade-at-matt-nagy-reaction/amp/
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Oh, boy…
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/bears-marquise-goodwin-throws-shade-at-matt-nagy-reaction/amp/
Yikes
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This fucking guy.
https://twitter.com/howaboutafresca/status/1440137315037298691?s=21
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This fucking guy.
https://twitter.com/howaboutafresca/status/1440137315037298691?s=21
So you were wrong?
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So you were wrong?
Looks to be the case.
I think Judge Judy loses sleep at night worrying I might have claim to be right about some stuff.
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Looks to be the case.
I think Judge Judy loses sleep at night worrying I might have claim to be right about some stuff.
No it’s that you never fail to find a moment to point out when you’re right. I just figured I’d point out when you’re wrong so you can’t claim to be right later on.
Every post you put on here’s about something you think you’re right about. I don’t think it’s me who loses sleep….
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Ok…
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This place is a morgue. About as much fun as stepping on a yard rake.
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This place is a morgue. About as much fun as stepping on a yard rake.
Well fuck you buddy.
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JudgeJudy owes you an apology.
We ARE!
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This place is a morgue. About as much fun as stepping on a yard rake.
I assumed your participation was mostly masturbatory.
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This place is a morgue. About as much fun as stepping on a yard rake.
(https://c.tenor.com/6mWm3RgLcpEAAAAC/simpsons-sideshow-bob.gif)
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What is there to discuss? Fields is only starting because of injury. The O line sucks. Defense? Let's see if they can do it 2 games in a row. Same ol', same ol'.
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Is Matt Nagy not the biggest fraud in NFL history?
Vic Fangio was the 2018 COTY. Nagy was just along for the ride.
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Is Matt Nagy not the biggest fraud in NFL history?
Vic Fangio was the 2018 COTY. Nagy was just along for the ride.
12-4 in 2018 and COY.
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Fields had a rough day, but Nagy didn’t do anything to help him. Nagy being barbecued by Lance Briggs among others. Dude is in over his head, and it’s been obvious for a long time.
Pace and Nagy should be gone tomorrow, but knowing the McCaskey’s they’ll get extended tomorrow.
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So who remembers the “my football guy” discussion that lead to the debate about “who is an expert?”
Well, the guy who lead us to that debate died of Covid. Only about 39 years old, and said he was vaccinated. Spent 4-5 weeks in the hospital and didn’t make it.
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https://twitter.com/tabbietalks/status/1441806486573780997?s=21
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Olin Kreutz (football expert?),
https://twitter.com/nbcsbears/status/1442243688629948416?s=21
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https://twitter.com/bfrmedia/status/1442493061087383571?s=21
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Matt Nagy needs fired today. Should’ve been fired yesterday immediately after the game honestly. And that’s not hyperbole.
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https://twitter.com/bfrmedia/status/1442493061087383571?s=21
Oof. That was brutal.
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How many coaches have had to take away play calling from themselves…twice?
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How many coaches have had to take away play calling from themselves…twice?
Ron Zook?
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So who remembers the “my football guy” discussion that lead to the debate about “who is an expert?”
Well, the guy who lead us to that debate died of Covid. Only about 39 years old, and said he was vaccinated. Spent 4-5 weeks in the hospital and didn’t make it.
IDKWTI
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Olin Kreutz (football expert?),
https://twitter.com/nbcsbears/status/1442243688629948416?s=21
LMAO thats hilarious
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Nagy is getting shit on by every talking head. Fucking love it.
Guy needs to be charged with the attempted murder of Justin Fields in addition to impersonating an NFL head coach. Fuck this clown.
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Nagy is getting shit on by every talking head. Fucking love it.
Guy needs to be charged with the attempted murder of Justin Fields in addition to impersonating an NFL head coach. Fuck this clown.
POTD
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The old savior thrown into the fire too soon and was never the same after vs well, he'll learn from it and be better down the road argument.
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Wow…
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/matt-nagy-reportedly-could-be-fired-if-bears-lose-to-lions/
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Wow…
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/matt-nagy-reportedly-could-be-fired-if-bears-lose-to-lions/
I honestly have no idea why it would still take a loss against the Lions to fire him. The Bears are already an embarrassment nationally after what happened against the Browns. Just cut your losses and fire his ass. He isn’t gonna turn it around, so just do it now.
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He and Pace shouldn’t have been brought back to begin with.
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He and Pace shouldn’t have been brought back to begin with.
yeah no kidding! Bears ownership are dumb though so it isn't really that surprising
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https://twitter.com/theblindpatriot/status/1442924438735900677?s=21
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Just heard someone compare Nagy to Adam Gase. Ouch…
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https://twitter.com/bradbiggs/status/1442957271458148352?s=21
Hahaha, what the fuck?
Seriously, I’m pretty much done with the Bears. I need a new team. My parents live in Florida now, so maybe I should switch to the Bucs.
Maybe it’s just me, but I feel like they should be trying out CBs.
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I was shit talking Mike McCarthy to someone today. He is a terrible coach. But he’s infinitely better than Nagy.
That’s where the Bears are.
Tough, but fair.
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Yeah, Oline and DBs in general.
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Could just sign Tyler Bray. He’s not going to play, anyway. At least Tyler knows the offense. None of these guys on the street will amount to anything.
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Good to see more of you coming around to my point of view
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Good to see more of you coming around to my point of view
That Matt Nagy needs to be fired? Bears should be working out other positions besides QB? Jobu should buy JudgeJudy custard instead of ice cream?
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I think his point of view is that the Bears are not worth the angst. Best to just walk away.
I didn't think he was talking about Taylor Bray, despite previously saying his posts responding to a conversation without quoting a post generally respond to the immediate preceding post. So I wondered.
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I was shit talking Mike McCarthy to someone today. He is a terrible coach. But he’s infinitely better than Nagy.
That’s where the Bears are.
Dafuq is this guy thinking?
https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/cowboys-mike-mccarthy-clock-management-roast-peyton-manning
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Good to see more of you coming around to my point of view
Which is what?
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That Matt Nagy needs to be fired? Bears should be working out other positions besides QB? Jobu should buy JudgeJudy custard instead of ice cream?
Exactly.
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Any semblance of a positive reputation Nagy had left is in taters. I’ve seen so many negative comments on him in social media it could make your head spin. By professional talking heads, and random fans. He’s the new Adam Gase. But hey, COTY in 2018.
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What kind of taters? Mashed? Baked? Au Gratin?
😂
Mashed
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I hope the Bears get steamrolled by the Lions this weekend. Preferably with Nick Foles at QB. If he starts Foles and the offense sucks Nagy will look even more foolish.
This has to end. Rip the band-aid off, please. I suppose even if they win Sunday, they’ll likely be a few games under .500 before long. Please let this end. And send Pace packing as well, for the love of God.
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I hope the Bears get steamrolled by the Lions this weekend. Preferably with Nick Foles at QB. If he starts Foles and the offense sucks Nagy will look even more foolish.
This has to end. Rip the band-aid off, please. I suppose even if they win Sunday, they’ll likely be a few games under .500 before long. Please let this end. And send Pace packing as well, for the love of God.
Ignore all this and just look at the Arlington Park Racetrack.
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Ignore all this and just look at the Arlington Park Racetrack.
Would have been dead set against this in the past, but as long as they do it right, this would be a great move. Are they capable of doing it right?
Also, a good sign the Bears might not settle for mediocrity in the future.
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Also, a good sign the Bears might not settle for mediocrity in the future.
You're kidding right? You are deliving in JudgeJudy replacement level takes with this one.
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You're kidding right? You are deliving in JudgeJudy replacement level takes with this one.
Wahhhhhh. Cry some more about me.
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Wahhhhhh. Cry some more about me.
You are a crybaby and the worst poster here.
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You are a crybaby and the worst poster here.
And here u are crying some more.
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You are a crybaby and the worst poster here.
I see you’re the only one complaining.
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I think his point of view is that the Bears are not worth the angst. Best to just walk away.
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This is coming from a dude who still follows Illini football, correct?
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Custard.
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You're kidding right? You are deliving in JudgeJudy replacement level takes with this one.
Ehhh, if the rumor Nagy could be fired with a loss to the Lions is true; and the Bears seemingly ready to build a state of the art stadium, I’d say it’s possible. Both moves are extremely un-McCaskey like. Having said that, I think there’s a pretty good chance they sell in the next couple years.
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This is my least favorite part of any coaching tenure: the point where fans of the team start hoping they lose.
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I was walking through the lobby of my hotel this morning in East Lansing and the TV was on and they were roasting Nagy. I kept walking as I don’t need any more analysis.
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This is my least favorite part of any coaching tenure: the point where fans of the team start hoping they lose.
Being a Bears and Illini fan first and foremost, I’ve spent much of the last decade in this space.
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I was walking through the lobby of my hotel this morning in East Lansing and the TV was on and they were roasting Nagy. I kept walking as I don’t need any more analysis.
I’d guess he’s easily the most roasted guy in the NFL this week. Player or coach.
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I am not a cheer for my team to lose guy. I will still watch them and get pissed off though. Fucking Bears and Illini. Fucking fuckers.
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It’s Thursday night. Nagy hasn’t announced a starter yet? Lmao clown
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Khalil Mack was a DNP today. No idea if it’s just a veteran rest day or what.
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😂😂😂 “I don’t know guys, what do you think?!”
https://twitter.com/patrickfinley/status/1443715961824194567?s=21
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Judging by Twitter, looks like Nagy is getting the playbook taken from him again. Not even his own staff has confidence in him. How can they continue to roll this guy out? I haven’t seen one positive/supportive comment on Nagy on Twitter all week. This guy has lost all confidence across the board.
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Judging by Twitter,
lets stop right there
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lets stop right there
I immediately though of the Reg Dunlap quote from SlapShot: "If Dickie Dunn wrote it, it must be true." Could not find the clip on The YouTube.
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Judging by Twitter, looks like Nagy is getting the playbook taken from him again. Not even his own staff has confidence in him. How can they continue to roll this guy out? I haven’t seen one positive/supportive comment on Nagy on Twitter all week. This guy has lost all confidence across the board.
The other NFC North teams will be surreptitiously taking to social media in support of Matt Nagy, as will all future Bears opponents.
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lets stop right there
I mean, I’m not going off of tweets from random people.
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I mean, I’m not going off of tweets from random people.
Only those of football experts? I've forgotten who was on which side of that Tempo v. Spark debate.
I listened to Mike Lombardi's GM Shuffle podcast. He said there is no way Fields is even close to being ready to play at this level and having Nagy as his HC sure does not help.
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I mean, I’m not going off of tweets from random people.
probably about as useful if you did
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https://twitter.com/dbaynesports/status/1443988417591795717?s=21
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Only those of football experts? I've forgotten who was on which side of that Tempo v. Spark debate.
I listened to Mike Lombardi's GM Shuffle podcast. He said there is no way Fields is even close to being ready to play at this level and having Nagy as his HC sure does not help.
What’s to remember? Basically Spark feels there’s no such thing as an “expert.” Which it seems makes his opinion as valid as anyone else’s. It seems Belichick was the only one to (barely) clear that hurdle for him. Then a couple years later, Belichick wasn’t an expert, but merely the beneficiary of Tom Brady.
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Only those of football experts? I've forgotten who was on which side of that Tempo v. Spark debate.
I listened to Mike Lombardi's GM Shuffle podcast. He said there is no way Fields is even close to being ready to play at this level and having Nagy as his HC sure does not help.
How do you know “who’s ready?” Looking back on Peyton Manning’s rookie year, I’m guessing he wasn’t “ready.”
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Friday afternoon. Still no announcement on a starter…
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How do you know “who’s ready?” Looking back on Peyton Manning’s rookie year, I’m guessing he wasn’t “ready.”
A football expert said he did not look ready. Also said Bill Walsh never would have drafted Fields.
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What’s to remember? Basically Spark feels there’s no such thing as an “expert.” Which it seems makes his opinion as valid as anyone else’s. It seems Belichick was the only one to (barely) clear that hurdle for him. Then a couple years later, Belichick wasn’t an expert, but merely the beneficiary of Tom Brady.
This is exactly what I've forgotten. Though I expect Spark to chime in that you are misrepresenting his statements.
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Friday afternoon. Still no announcement on a starter…
does it really matter?
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This is exactly what I've forgotten. Though I expect Spark to chime in that you are misrepresenting his statements.
Of course, no one expert is always right. But I’ve always suspected he shuns expert opinions because it validates anyone’s opinion. Like his. And allows him to present “unbiased” statistics that show Mitchell Trubiksy is on par with Patrick Mahomes (in a then 5 game sample size with an obvious Tampa Bay outlier).
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does it really matter?
“Matter?” Perhaps not. But it shows how spineless he is.
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This is exactly what I've forgotten. Though I expect Spark to chime in that you are misrepresenting his statements.
There’s nothing to misrepresent. When I asked him who he thought was “an expert on football,” he grudgingly offered Bill Belichick, and that was it.
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“Matter?” Perhaps not. But it shows how spineless he is.
he's keeping the opposition on their toes!
"decided schematic advantage"
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Breaking: Matt Nagy names himself starting QB against Detroit. Says plays will run better if called from the huddle.
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Adam Hoge just tweeted that Matt Nagy said the starting QB will be a “game time decision.” Lol
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Adam Hoge just tweeted that Matt Nagy said the starting QB will be a “game time decision.” Lol
determined by the coin toss ;D
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Who is calling the plays? “Can’t say.”
Who is the starting quarterback? “Can’t say.”
Really oozing leadership and confidence here.
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I am not a cheer for my team to lose guy. I will still watch them and get pissed off though. Fucking Bears and Illini. Fucking fuckers.
Me either. I understand being one, but that doesn't mean it's any fun when that happens.
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What’s to remember? Basically Spark feels there’s no such thing as an “expert.” Which it seems makes his opinion as valid as anyone else’s. It seems Belichick was the only one to (barely) clear that hurdle for him. Then a couple years later, Belichick wasn’t an expert, but merely the beneficiary of Tom Brady.
Is that what you think the discussion about experts was about? Making my opinion seem 'as valid as anyone else's'?
The last thing is just made up, no idea where you got that unless you - intentionally or otherwise - are just trying to misrepresent my point to win an internet argument.
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This is exactly what I've forgotten. Though I expect Spark to chime in that you are misrepresenting his statements.
He's right that I question the notion of 'football experts', i.e. checkmarked dudes on Twitter or dudes who talk on ESPN. I don't think those guys have any particular deep knowledge, and I think that's pretty much borne out by the evidence. That's true of most sports too; Shaq is an all time great NBA player, played in the league for decades, and has spent the last however many years talking NBA on TV every night but he still says ridiculous things constantly. You could argue his experience makes him 'an expert', or you could actually look at the things he says and recognize that he doesn't have some deep understanding of the game that many others without his resume also have.
You're absolutely correct that he is misrepresenting what I've said about Belichick though; I've never said he 'isn't an expert, but merely the beneficiary of Tom Brady' or really anything even remotely close to that. That's an extrapolation of my question regarding Belichick's record without Brady, which of course Tempo doesn't want to talk about because it kind of sheds some light on how dumb some of the things he says are.
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He's right that I question the notion of 'football experts', i.e. checkmarked dudes on Twitter or dudes who talk on ESPN. I don't think those guys have any particular deep knowledge, and I think that's pretty much borne out by the evidence. That's true of most sports too; Shaq is an all time great NBA player, played in the league for decades, and has spent the last however many years talking NBA on TV every night but he still says ridiculous things constantly. You could argue his experience makes him 'an expert', or you could actually look at the things he says and recognize that he doesn't have some deep understanding of the game that many others without his resume also have.
You're absolutely correct that he is misrepresenting what I've said about Belichick though; I've never said he 'isn't an expert, but merely the beneficiary of Tom Brady' or really anything even remotely close to that. That's an extrapolation of my question regarding Belichick's record without Brady, which of course Tempo doesn't want to talk about because it kind of sheds some light on how dumb some of the things he says are.
Oddly enough, Lombardi was railing against ESPN's coverage of the NFL and, apparently, Ostrovsky's, or whatever his name is, calling for Fields to demand a trade that Tempo appears to have posted, in his podcast.
Yeah, makes you wonder about Belichick since the record is not great without Brady. Yet, obviously, he did come up with some great defensive game plans to win Super Bowls. He has also blown a couple though, like that Giants game, and was gifted a couple due to the other team's sheer incompetence (Seahawks, Falcons).
I'm on Team Spark on this one.
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Oddly enough, Lombardi was railing against ESPN's coverage of the NFL and, apparently, Ostrovsky's, or whatever his name is, calling for Fields to demand a trade that Tempo appears to have posted, in his podcast.
Yeah, makes you wonder about Belichick since the record is not great without Brady. Yet, obviously, he did come up with some great defensive game plans to win Super Bowls. He has also blown a couple though, like that Giants game, and was gifted a couple due to the other team's sheer incompetence (Seahawks, Falcons).
I'm on Team Spark on this one.
I honestly don't question Belichick at all. You're as good as your record, and his is VERY good.
My entire point in bringing him up was pointing out how silly it is to say "yeah but look at his roster". I don't care how good someone's roster is; if they win, that's their result. If they don't, that's theirs too - and no matter how good or bad your roster is, NFL coaches don't survive losing for too long typically.
Some of the all-time great NFL coaches were before my time so I can't speak to them OTHER THAN their record, but in my lifetime at least Belichick is easily the best coach.
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I honestly don't question Belichick at all. You're as good as your record, and his is VERY good.
Not as if he elected to start Bardy over Bledsoe. Bledsoe got hurt. Just never got the starting job back after he got hurt.
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Not as if he elected to start Bardy over Bledsoe. Bledsoe got hurt. Just never got the starting job back after he got hurt.
He did draft Brady. Can't imagine he knew exactly what he was getting, though.
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My entire point in bringing him up was pointing out how silly it is to say "yeah but look at his roster". I don't care how good someone's roster is; if they win, that's their result. If they don't, that's theirs too - and no matter how good or bad your roster is, NFL coaches don't survive losing for too long typically.
Some of the all-time great NFL coaches were before my time so I can't speak to them OTHER THAN their record, but in my lifetime at least Belichick is easily the best coach.
When you see Mike McCarthy's clock management and Matt Nagy just standing on a sideline, Belichick is definitely the tallest midget of them all.
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He did draft Brady. Can't imagine he knew exactly what he was getting, though.
It was all the Hand of Fate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKH9enYiFIU
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So, I think it’s time for a recap here. I missed a few pages in real time because I actually had to earn a paycheck today, but the gist of it is Temp is spending a fuckload of time in Twitter rabbit holes, and wants to take us with him, while we all know that Nagy is the head coaching flavor of the month when it comes to shit talk. And, PA man is wavering a bit in his support of Tempo.
Have I captured everything? It’s hard to get all of it.
Oh, and Tempo is shit talking to Spark for reasons I haven’t totally figured out yet. The dude is hardly ever here, yet Tempo is “obsessed”.
What the fuck else?
PMan and Tempo are still having anal sex….. BUT it appears in the last page or two that PMan is sticking up for Spark and taking his side.
I’m the worst poster on here and the game this weekend is AT Illinois. It’s all googleable.
Tempo is gonna ask why I keep mentioning him and why I’m “obsessed” with him and lose sleep over his “rightness.”
Spark makes really good points and is correct.
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So, I think it’s time for a recap here. I missed a few pages in real time because I actually had to earn a paycheck today, but the gist of it is Temp is spending a fuckload of time in Twitter rabbit holes, and wants to take us with him, while we all know that Nagy is the head coaching flavor of the month when it comes to shit talk. And, PA man is wavering a bit in his support of Tempo.
Have I captured everything? It’s hard to get all of it.
Oh, and Tempo is shit talking to Spark for reasons I haven’t totally figured out yet. The dude is hardly ever here, yet Tempo is “obsessed”.
What the fuck else?
I think you are all caught up except there is a Tempo v. Spark for a reason and I'm still on Team Tempo on the Mack trade and Nagy sucked even when he was 12-4. Other than that, I'm a free agent for dick sucking and anal sex with posters.
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PMan and Tempo are still having anal sex….. BUT it appears in the last page or two that PMan is sticking up for Spark and taking his side.
I’m the worst poster on here and the game this weekend is AT Illinois. It’s all googleable.
Tempo is gonna ask why I keep mentioning him and why I’m “obsessed” with him and lose sleep over his “rightness.”
Spark makes really good points and is correct.
He’s “correct” about what? That Belichick’s record without Brady isn’t great? No shit, Sherlock. I’ve conceded that Brady was a big part of the equation, but one guy doesn’t make a football dynasty for 20 years. Belichick still did a lot more right than he did wrong for 20 years. Rebuilding that roster multiple times, and consistently coming up with excellent game plans.
I have consistently spanked Spark on virtually all football discussions for several years now. Cold hard facts.
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And once when talking about “football experts” Spark once tried to strawman the discussion by dropping the name Stephen A. Smith. He and Skip Bayless are not at all the kind of “expert” I’ve ever talked about.
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Belichick once won 11 games with Matt Cassell at quarterback. That’s a pretty good coach.
Obviously, Brady was the most important piece; but does Brady do what he did if he was with the Bears the last 20 years? Not even close.
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“If they win, it’s their result.” So Barry Switzer was a fantastic NFL coach…uh, no…
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Not as if he elected to start Bardy over Bledsoe. Bledsoe got hurt. Just never got the starting job back after he got hurt.
There’s a hell of a lot of coaches that would have re-instated Bledsoe. The Bears have one of those coaches now.
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Given the same talent and coaching staff, I’d venture to guess I could have led the ‘92 Cowboys to a winning record. Hell, Judge Judy could have.
The real and the pretend one.
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It’s also funny how Mike Ditka stopped being a good head coach when he didn’t have a handful of HOFers in their primes.
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It’s also funny how Mike Ditka stopped being a good head coach when he didn’t have a handful of HOFers in their primes.
I also find it funny that coaches aren't as good when their players aren't as good.
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I also find it funny that coaches aren't as good when their players aren't as good.
Yeah, those coaches don’t last. Clearly you’ve never quite caught on to the longevity aspect of my position.
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Who can name me a HC with a comparable record to Bill Belichick as coach AND GM in the modern era?
Also, who was the last coach (and when) to win a playoff game with the Browns before last year?
I’ll hang up and listen to your answers.
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One more question. Which team lead the NFL in Covid opt-outs in 2020?
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I’ll help you with that answer. The Patriots did with 8. The next highest was 4. Most teams had 1 or 2.
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https://twitter.com/waddleandsilvy/status/1444018260572266498?s=21
Lmao
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Who can name me a HC with a comparable record to Bill Belichick as coach AND GM in the modern era?
Also, who was the last coach (and when) to win a playoff game with the Browns before last year?
I’ll hang up and listen to your answers.
Belichick in 1994 over New England. The Browns DC that season was some guy named Nick Saban.
Edit: Forgot to add, FU Modell.
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He did draft Brady. Can't imagine he knew exactly what he was getting, though.
If any GM/HC was reasonably certain Brady would have a very successful professional football career (let alone a HoF/GOAT QB), they would have drafted him way before the 6th round. Except for Brady, the 2000 NFL Draft was a historically atrocious class for QBs. Belichick & New England caught lightning in a bottle and then some when they drafted him.
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Nagy coaching up Justin Fields.
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Belichick in 1994 over New England. The Browns DC that season was some guy named Nick Saban.
Edit: Forgot to add, FU Modell.
Correct. Failed NFL head coach Nick Saban.
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Correct. Failed NFL head coach Nick Saban.
I remember Saban from his days as DC for the Browns. Makes it a little difficult for me to completely dislike him now, but as current HC of the death star college football program, he's public enemy #1 in my mind.
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Was going to say Bill Parcells, but he never coached the Brown.
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I wish we had this guy for our head coach.
https://twitter.com/ecnerwal23/status/1445160697533501442?s=21
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So after all the adamant “Andy is our starter if healthy” crap being repeated over and over. Andy Dalton is apparently a full participant in practice for the first time in a couple weeks, and Fields has been named the “starter going forward.”
What a clown.
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So after all the adamant “Andy is our starter if healthy” crap being repeated over and over. Andy Dalton is apparently a full participant in practice for the first time in a couple weeks, and Fields has been named the “starter going forward.”
What a clown.
Yeah, wtf?! This is weird!! Maybe the team or management said, “no fucker, it’s gonna be Fields or we are revolting or firing your ass mid season.”
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So after all the adamant “Andy is our starter if healthy” crap being repeated over and over. Andy Dalton is apparently a full participant in practice for the first time in a couple weeks, and Fields has been named the “starter going forward.”
What a clown.
2018 12-4 COY!
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Yeah, I highly doubt Nagy came to this decision on his own. I was kind of hoping to watch Dalton flail helplessly these next several games.
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https://twitter.com/notsportscenter/status/1445053298403389441?s=21
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https://twitter.com/notsportscenter/status/1445053298403389441?s=21
That's not Matt Nagy. Isn't it the Alex Jones conspiracy entertainer?
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That’s funny.
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That's not Matt Nagy. Isn't it the Alex Jones conspiracy entertainer?
Nothing gets by you.
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Nothing gets by you.
I may not be AOTC all the time, but I am not BTC either!
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😂
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Definitely came from upstairs. Same with Lazor calling plays. No way Nagy came to those decisions on his own.
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Definitely came from upstairs. Same with Lazor calling plays. No way Nagy came to those decisions on his own.
Or from the players. Maybe threaten to revolt.
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What sucks is if Fields looks great, or even good, it probably only helps Pace/Nagy. It’s going to suck if they bring either back.
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Now that everyone knows Nagy sucks, there’s not much to argue about anymore :-/
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Now that everyone knows Nagy sucks, there’s not much to argue about anymore :-/
so its unanimous!
PennsylvaniaMan was ahead of the curve on Nagy
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so its unanimous!
PennsylvaniaMan was ahead of the curve on Nagy
Wait a minute…
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https://twitter.com/chaddabear328/status/1445917257561903107?s=21
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PennsylvaniaMan was ahead of the curve on Nagy
That's funny!
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It’s true tho. You were, and are, ahead of the curve on this one.
Props and respect.
*looks up at sky, whistles*
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*looks up at sky, whistles*
he started the fire nagy thread about a minute after it was announced he was the coach
where were you?
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Personally I’m impressed by PAMan being so far AOTC
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Lol
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Could make the argument PAMan being AOTC here has led him to being the HQ2 Oracle, a true Football Expert.
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Could make the argument PAMan being AOTC here has led him to being the HQ2 Oracle, a true Football Expert.
Now that is high praise.
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I would definitely support this.
But was he AOTC on the Mack trade?
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You guys are trolling me. It’s ok. I know I was AOTC on all things Bears.
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But was he AOTC on the Mack trade?
Yes, I was.
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"The immediate returns of the trade could not have been more disastrous for the Raiders. They finished with just 13 sacks in 2018, the second fewest in league history in more than 30 years—Mack had 12.5 for Chicago. Mack single-handedly transformed the Bears defense into the league’s fiercest, and Chicago won the NFC North for the first time in eight years. He was named a first-team All-Pro and was recently named to the 2010s all-decade team. And the Raiders didn’t do much with the picks they received."
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/10/8/22715342/raiders-khalil-mack-trade-jon-gruden-legacy
Rookie players, to be identified later, would play better than the All-pro and the Bears would be a better team with them.
Or does the experience factor only apply to college hoops ?
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That’s not how it works.
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You trade two 1st rounders, you’re looking for playoff wins. You telling me you wouldn’t rather have a young Montez Sweat, another 1st round pick to build around, and the extra $140 million? I definitely would. The Mack trade did not achieve the desired result. Sure, you got a really good player, but that’s not why you trade/spend all that for a veteran. You trade/spend that much to win big. The Bears haven’t.
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You trade two 1st rounders, you’re looking for playoff wins. You telling me you wouldn’t rather have a young Montez Sweat, another 1st round pick to build around, and the extra $140 million? I definitely would. The Mack trade did not achieve the desired result. Sure, you got a really good player, but that’s not why you trade/spend all that for a veteran. You trade/spend that much to win big. The Bears haven’t.
Poetry.
I’m glad you typed all that out because I sure as fuck wasn’t.
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Poetry.
I’m glad you typed all that out because I sure as fuck wasn’t.
Shut up, bitch.
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Poetry.
I’m glad you typed all that out because I sure as fuck wasn’t.
😂
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Shut up, bitch.
Go call your daughter. If she even takes your calls, scumbag.
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Go call your daughter. If she even takes your calls, scumbag.
Shut up, bitch.
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Go call your daughter. If she even takes your calls, scumbag.
Coming from the guy whose spouse is an alcoholic, gets drunk, and beats his kid. 😂 sure
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Coming from the guy whose spouse is an alcoholic, gets drunk, and beats his kid. 😂 sure
Poetry.
I’m glad you typed all that out because I sure as fuck wasn’t.
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Poetry.
I’m glad you typed all that out because I sure as fuck wasn’t.
Shut up, bitch.
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Shut up, bitch.
Poetry.
I’m glad you typed all that out because I sure as fuck wasn’t.
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Poetry.
I’m glad you typed all that out because I sure as fuck wasn’t.
Shut up, bitch.
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Shut up, bitch.
It is all about the poetry.
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It is all about the poetry.
Shut up, bitch.
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You trade two 1st rounders, you’re looking for playoff wins. You telling me you wouldn’t rather have a young Montez Sweat, another 1st round pick to build around, and the extra $140 million? I definitely would. The Mack trade did not achieve the desired result. Sure, you got a really good player, but that’s not why you trade/spend all that for a veteran. You trade/spend that much to win big. The Bears haven’t.
You don't get to pick who the Bears would have drafted tho.
They swapped an unknown for an all-pro.
They gave up a 1st rounder and cash to do it.
I'm not sure that 1st rounder is enough to get the Bears those 4-6 wins for Pace and Nagy.
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Anyway you slice it, you don’t trade two 1sts and spend $140 on one player simply to get a good player. You do it to win playoff games. The trade was a bust.
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Anyway you slice it, you don’t trade two 1sts and spend $140 on one player simply to get a good player. You do it to win playoff games. The trade was a bust.
"The final verdict is in and the Raiders lost the trade for Khalil Mack...
What Raiders fans didn't realize or care about was those picks would have been wasted by Bears GM Ryan Pace anyway, maybe for a tackle with a bad back or a receiver who gets ejected from games or a quarterback no one else wanted."
https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/bears-won-the-khalil-mack-trade-hands-down
And the article doesn't even mention Nagy.
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Lol
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I’d rather have bites at the draft apple and all that cash than 0 playoff wins; even with an idiot like Pace at the helm.
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You don't get to pick who the Bears would have drafted tho.
They swapped an unknown for an all-pro.
They gave up a 1st rounder and cash to do it.
I'm not sure that 1st rounder is enough to get the Bears those 4-6 wins for Pace and Nagy.
And you don’t get to assume those 1st rounders would have busted just because Pace was making the pick. He did get Roquan right after all. Bites at the Apple.
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I’d rather have bites at the draft apple and all that cash than 0 playoff wins; even with an idiot like Pace at the helm.
Just messing with you.
I think your first preference may be a competent franchise.
Who's calling plays this week. Lol.
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https://twitter.com/BrendanSugrue/status/1450148945154527239?s=20
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https://twitter.com/BrendanSugrue/status/1450148945154527239?s=20
😂
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You really have to wonder about McDonald's having Nagy as a spokesperson.
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You really have to wonder about McDonald's having Nagy as a spokesperson.
Well, Nagy is a clown, so makes sense.
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Well, Nagy is a clown, so makes sense.
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You seem to have all the Matt Nagy memes at your fingertips.
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This is from The Score and Twitter (the double whammy!), so take with a grain of salt *eyeroll*
https://twitter.com/670thescore/status/1453440060603392006?s=21
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This is from The Score and Twitter (the double whammy!), so take with a grain of salt *eyeroll*
https://twitter.com/670thescore/status/1453440060603392006?s=21
It seems to be taken from DJ Durkin. Didn't he kill a kid when coaching at Maryland and try and cover it up?
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No idea.
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Apparently a different DJ Durkin. Weird, though.
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Pinned tweet lol
https://twitter.com/djdurkin/status/1029422871523799040?s=21
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Pinned tweet lol
https://twitter.com/djdurkin/status/1029422871523799040?s=21
Yeah, can understand why he did that!
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This is from The Score and Twitter (the double whammy!), so take with a grain of salt *eyeroll*
https://twitter.com/670thescore/status/1453440060603392006?s=21
Wow thanks to twitter I now know that its Joakim Noah night for da bull
Lord look at Brad Miller that is one massive human
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Ignore all this and just look at the Arlington Park Racetrack.
Churchill Downs (majority owner of Rivers Casino in Des Plaines) wanted to make sure the buyer didn't build a casino on that property. Hence, the sale to the Bears. Now Neil Bluhm (minority owner of Rivers Casino through Midwest Gaming and Entertainment) can focus on his group's bid for the Chicago casino license.
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Some not so nice stuff coming out about Nagy. Sounds like he was a real dbag to Mitch.
https://heavy.com/sports/chicago-bears/athletic-matt-nagy-mitch-trubisky-relationship/amp/
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Gonna take some serious rehabbing if Nagy is to get another chance. Fake nice guy.
https://ontapsportsnet.com/2022/01/14/chicago-bears-matt-nagy-mitch-trubisky-meeting-story-drama/
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Yeah I was reading a lot about it as well. Not a good look at all for Nagy. It appears Mitch tried to improve, but Nagy didn’t. Very telling.
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Some not so nice stuff coming out about Nagy. Sounds like he was a real dbag to Mitch.
https://heavy.com/sports/chicago-bears/athletic-matt-nagy-mitch-trubisky-relationship/amp/
Did you read it? Doesn't seems that bad to me other than doing it in front of the whole team. Trubisky sucked.
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Gonna take some serious rehabbing if Nagy is to get another chance. Fake nice guy.
https://ontapsportsnet.com/2022/01/14/chicago-bears-matt-nagy-mitch-trubisky-meeting-story-drama/
Blowing off a meeting with your QB is not good.
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Did you read it? Doesn't seems that bad to me other than doing it in front of the whole team. Trubisky sucked.
https://www.fanduel.com/theduel/posts/matt-nagy-no-showed-for-meeting-with-mitch-trubisky-after-2019-season-01fsd0bnckx1/amp
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As I’ve been saying for a long time, snake oil salesman.
https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/matt-nagy-ghosted-allen-robinson-181508402.html
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33370335/kansas-city-chiefs-bring-back-former-chicago-bears-head-coach-matt-nagy-senior-assistant-qb-coach
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Nagy’s house up for sale and listed…
https://twitter.com/brendansugrue/status/1500158852188278784?s=21
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Wow, that’s over the top.
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Anyone here still think he’s good? I’ll be fairly shocked if he’s still here in 2023. Thought about putting this is the spicy takes thread, but thought he deserved his own thread.
AOTC again. I remember when Nagy was ahead of Bill Belichick’s career path.
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Jobu dropped the ball here. The correct response to a topically redundant late night Tempo post is to ignore it.
C'mon guys.
This post was 150 pounds and a head of hair ago.
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AOTC again. I remember when Nagy was ahead of Bill Belichick’s career path.
Not sure that was as AOTC as you think it is.
The Bear were 6-11 the 20-21 season.
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Nm
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(https://i.postimg.cc/FKMCvYkm/IMG-9322.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hJ01bP03)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9fDXSnZK/IMG-9359.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CZVVnJvs)
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Nagy is a bad dog?
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Good dog in this case.
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Was having some technical issues and wanted to make sure the link would work before starting a new thread.
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Thought I’d seen the end of dogshit Nagy stuff, but here we are.
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Thought I’d seen the end of dogshit Nagy stuff, but here we are.
No one posted anything about Nagy. I used the thread for a test.