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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: Lkdog on April 01, 2021, 11:23:42 PM
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At this point here is where it seems like things might be at !!!!!!
Gone:
Ayo
Giorgi
Hamlin
Hulka Jr.
AcePuppy Miller
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6d/01/a5/6d01a5a7c1d5e9f852056c260db8e939.jpg)
Still Here:
Curbelo
Frazier
Kofi
Grandison
DaMonte
Hawkins
Hutcherson
Lieb
BBV
Incoming:
Goode
Melendez
Podz
Transfers Incoming:
Omar "Jobu" Payne
Alfonso Plummer
Transfers Working On:
There are 1200 players in the portal.
Assistant Coaching staff:
Antigua - Gone.
Coleman- Gone.
Gentry - Gone.
Incoming Assistants
Chet Frazier
(https://hokiesports.com/images/2019/5/13/Frazier_Chester_20MB_HEAD_46.jpg?width=300)
Geoff Alexander
(https://d1iubivivot1gj.cloudfront.net/images/2020/10/19/MBB2021_Headshot_AlexanderGeoff__1MJ4203.jpg?width=300)
Tim Anderson
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/50/850f163d-5822-57d4-8134-aec7689cfad7/60f076a12fe25.image.jpg)
Coach Hulka
(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/017/584/372/large/corey-blake-warren-oates-f.jpg?1556577976)
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Its ok to use xxxx. Don't shout.
Kalscheur is the 6th gof in the portal. If they all go, the new coach will have 8 scholarships. Good luck.
Is college hoops working on destroying itself ?
Let the HS kid go where ever, and when he wants to transfer in a month or two the school with the best chance of putting the kids picture on a box of Wheaties gets him for a year. Maybe.
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I take back any predictions I’ve made. If we can’t bring back a freshman who started, we can’t know what our teams will look like.
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At this point here is where it seems like things might be at !!!!!!
Probably Gone:
Ayo
Kofi
Frazier
Giorgi
DaMonte
Miller
BBV
Hamlin
Hulka Jr.
Still Here:
Curbelo
Grandison
Hawkins
Hutcherson
Lieb
Incoming:
Goode
Melendez
Probably Incoming:
Podz
Transfers Incoming:
Transfers Working On:
Omar Payne if Judge says he is allowed to leave state
Nunge from XXXX
Franklin from Indiana
Many others
“If judge says he’s allowed to leave state.”
Wuh?
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Are these kids really that level of prima donna?
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Could be what drove Ol' Roy into the rocker. SCOTUS not sending good vibes to NCAA. Business model is on it's ear.
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“If judge says he’s allowed to leave state.”
Wuh?
We were making jokes after we saw the video where he beat the shit of the Tennessee player and got kicked out.
Payne looks like a project in many ways. 😳
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We were making jokes after we saw the video where he beat the shit of the Tennessee player and got kicked out.
Payne looks like a project in many ways. 😳
Ahhhh
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I take back any predictions I’ve made. If we can’t bring back a freshman who started, we can’t know what our teams will look like.
Who knows. Maybe some kids stay who look like they will leave.
I am sure we will get some transfers.
Maybe be some decommits with the coaching changes.
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Miller entering the transfer portal s baffling. Why? So you weren't being used right. Yet you were playing with 2 all Americans and you're a freshman and you started every game. Am i missing something? And you were possibly the top potential scorer next year. Wtf? Makes no damn sense. Welcome to Groce days and 1st year underwhelm squad if they dont get 3 studs in the transfer portal.
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Miller entering the transfer portal s baffling. Why? So you weren't being used right. Yet you were playing with 2 all Americans and you're a freshman and you started every game. Am i missing something? And you were possibly the top potential scorer next year. Wtf? Makes no damn sense. Welcome to Groce days and 1st year underwhelm squad if they dont get 3 studs in the transfer portal.
He had been an anointed prodigy for a long time going back to grade school.
IIRC his mother actually is/was a teacher in Peoria school district.
He then ended up at Morgan Park and the whole system up there.
One belief was mom thought he was one and done NBA talent.
https://twitter.com/markwal31038857/status/1377751272682631171?s=21 (https://twitter.com/markwal31038857/status/1377751272682631171?s=21)
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One belief was mom thought he was one and done NBA talent.
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Are these kids really that level of prima donna?
Yes
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Miller entering the transfer portal s baffling. Why? So you weren't being used right. Yet you were playing with 2 all Americans and you're a freshman and you started every game. Am i missing something? And you were possibly the top potential scorer next year. Wtf? Makes no damn sense. Welcome to Groce days and 1st year underwhelm squad if they dont get 3 studs in the transfer portal.
If you harp back to game 1 and that first set of games, you may have noticed a different Miller. Attacking on offense as if he was the 1B to Ayo. Fast forward and you saw him become the role player. Situational 3s and option C on offense
......Miller and camp do not view Adam as anything but lead dog, option A. Throw in some jealousy and there ya go
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If you harp back to game 1 and that first set of games, you may have noticed a different Miller. Attacking on offense as if he was the 1B to Ayo. Fast forward and you saw him become the role player. Situational 3s and option C on offense
......Miller and camp do not view Adam as anything but lead dog, option A. Throw in some jealousy and there ya go
It was for 1 year. Everyone knew Ayo was going after this season. Cry me a river Ace Miller.
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It was for 1 year. Everyone knew Ayo was going after this season. Cry me a river Ace Miller.
But then you have the obvious fact Curbelo is a better player with a big role coming, possibility of a Frazier return, trying to get Franklin.
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But then you have the obvious fact Curbelo is a better player with a big role coming, possibility of a Frazier return, trying to get Franklin.
So he considers himself an alpha, but is afraid of competition🤔 doesn’t sound like an alpha to me🤷🏻♂️
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Oh and to add.... anybody with half a brain can see Curbelo is a much better prospect and a much better player than Miller. Even Miller’s mother, which is the reason he’s transferring. His camp just doesn’t want to admit that’s why. Instead they’ll blame Underwood and staff instead of admitting fault. Much like the Mark Smith fiasco. It’s always easier to blame others instead of looking in the mirror and improving. That’s why most players now are prima donnas. They’re hyped up from the time they’re 12 years old or younger. It causes a lot of problems later in life when they’re not “the man” and/or don’t make it. Look at Joe Hampton. It’s hard to adjust when you blame others and it causes mental health problems.
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But then you have the obvious fact Curbelo is a better player with a big role coming, possibility of a Frazier return, trying to get Franklin.
Please, please let there be another year of Trent.
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Oh and to add.... anybody with half a brain can see Curbelo is a much better prospect and a much better player than Miller. Even Miller’s mother, which is the reason he’s transferring. His camp just doesn’t want to admit that’s why. Instead they’ll blame Underwood and staff instead of admitting fault. Much like the Mark Smith fiasco. It’s always easier to blame others instead of looking in the mirror and improving.
They have carefully crafted images to uphold ya know
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Maybe I don't know a thing about college BB, but having Curbelo on the floor would make Miller a better player, no?
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Not if Miller wants to be ball dominant like it sounds
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Please, please let there be another year of Trent.
Doesn’t sound very likely. But someone like Miller needs to act now and not wait if such things are a concern
Keep in mind it’s not just basketball. The camp feels slighted and it doesn’t take much to get on the head of 18 year olds
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Keep in mind it’s not just basketball. The camp feels slighted and it doesn’t take much to get on the head of 18 year olds
Just like some of the whiners here....
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Not if Miller wants to be ball dominant like it sounds
He'll need to take his act to a mid-major then.
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If he can get 3-5 more inches in the off season, he could be a scoring wing to go with Curbelo.
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If he can get 3-5 more inches in the off season, he could be a scoring wing to go with Curbelo.
I see what you did there.
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Could be what drove Ol' Roy into the rocker. SCOTUS not sending good vibes to NCAA. Business model is on it's ear.
we will find out in June if college basketball will be ruined
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we will find out in June if college basketball will be ruined
Women’s sports and non-revenue sports are going to disappear once players are paid. Maybe not in power-5 conferences, but at lower levels. Then you’re gonna have Title 9 problems much bigger than u have now. Cesspool
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Not if Miller wants to be ball dominant like it sounds
Except Miller does not have the requisite ball handling skills. He is also smaller than advertised and has average length.
He did show some decent quickness and occasional surprising hops. I was also impressed that he seemed to accept his role and played good defense. Could have seen him becoming Trent plus.
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Not if Miller wants to be ball dominant like it sounds
His handles are not that strong.
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His handles are not that strong.
Agree. Honestly- he looked like a lower Top 100 guy who would be a decent 4 year guy- maybe a second team ALL BT his Jr or Sr year as a 14 ppg mostly spot up shooter and Ok defender.
Has zero chance to make NBA unless he becomes a Kispert, Freddete, Korver, Reddick type shooter.
Has no position really. Does not have PG/Lead guard handles or vision or instincts.
Can't create his own.
Not a wing 3 and D guy as they need to be able to guard 6'7" guys at next level.
AYo stuck in the same in between situation which is why he will probably have issues, but he is taller and longer, faster, and a better athlete than Miller and he might develop NBA 3 range and learn how to guard.
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Q: How many Illini basketball players who transferred out actually improved their lot?
A: Nunn
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Q: How many Illini basketball players who transferred out actually improved their lot?
A: Nunn
LOL.
T. Jones and Griffin doing pretty good.
Somehow Myke Henry got a cup of coffee in the league.
Of course the sheer volume of transfers will increase those that do OK.
Miller will contribute for someone I am sure.
He is just not a big time player right now, nor will ever likely be.
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LOL.
T. Jones and Griffin doing pretty good.
Somehow Myke Henry got a cup of coffee in the league.
Of course the sheer volume of transfers will increase those that do OK.
Miller will contribute for someone I am sure.
He is just not a big time player right now, nor will ever likely be.
Griffin got benched at the end of the year and I believe is transferring
.....this time not because he went all Kendrick Nunn on a lady friend
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Griffin got benched at the end of the year and I believe is transferring
.....this time not because he went all Kendrick Nunn on a lady friend
I did see he had a very rough tourney.
Had a decent year numbers wise but I think was really up and down.
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Update orginal post to include the addition of Omar "Jobu" Payne.
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Who is Payne? Averaged only 3 points per game??? Where is the Mitchell signing? Bench depth i hope?
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Who is Payne? Averaged only 3 points per game??? Where is the Mitchell signing? Bench depth i hope?
Good elbows.
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Who is Payne? Averaged only 3 points per game??? Where is the Mitchell signing? Bench depth i hope?
Backup at Florida. Former 4 star.
Held out of NCAAs due to pretty viscious flagrant 2 ejection vs Tennessee player.
Athletic. Project. Might be head case.
Clearly indicates they think Kofi and Giorgi gone.
Breal says BBV and Hamlin likely gone.
We need a big otherwise it's Hawkins and he is 4.
Stay tuned I guess.......
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Hopefully depth with upside
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A lot better at least offensively players in this portal and we take this guy..😆 Baffling to say the least. Yet nothing surprises me being an illinment fan.
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A lot better at least offensively players in this portal and we take this guy..😆 Baffling to say the least. Yet nothing surprises me being an illinment fan.
I am sure they are working on finding scorers. Need 2 of them now.
Only sure thing is Curbelo and Hutch starting is my guess.
I think Jobu Payne is strictly for defense, boards, putbacks right now and hope he develops.
He will start is my guess as part of the deal.
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It's going to be great watching Payne play Iowa.
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Hopefully Jobu Payne looks at Kofi's improvement and thinks the Illinois staff can help him, if he puts in the work.
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I am betting the agreement was starter minutes or he wouldn't have come.
He actually moves better than Kofi.
But doesn't have Kofi strength or physical presence.
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Hopefully Jobu Payne looks at Kofi's improvement and thinks the Illinois staff can help him, if he puts in the work.
That’s why he came here. For that exact reason. He wasn’t promised a starting spot either.
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What else did he tell you?
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That’s why he came here. For that exact reason. He wasn’t promised a starting spot either.
Hawkins seems to have some helter skelter Alan Griffin in him. Jobu and Hawkins on the floor together would give us some size.
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That’s why he came here. For that exact reason. He wasn’t promised a starting spot either.
Why would he transfer to bumfck Central Ilinois to be recruited over and be a backup for two more years. This kid will get starter minutes.
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Hawkins seems to have some helter skelter Alan Griffin in him. Jobu and Hawkins on the floor together would give us some size.
Better yet, get Mitchell and play him at the 4.
Jobu doesn't need to score much. Just protect the rim and get garbage buckets and guard.
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Better yet, get Mitchell and play him at the 4.
Jobu doesn't need to score much. Just protect the rim and get garbage buckets and guard.
I'm ok with any " better yet".
We'll need scoring.
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Baylor has shown us all season that having bigs that can switch and defend multiple positions is very valuable even if they aren’t prime offensive threats. By no means do I want Jobu Payne to be our best 5, but anyone who has watched this tournament should understand that being reliant on a big relatively slow guy in the middle is not conducive to tourney success. We need excellent guards and forwards mixed with guys like Vital and EDJ.
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Who is EDJ ??
Every Day John?
Great feet.
Nice player.
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Yeah
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How do you feel about Jordan almonds?
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They’re better than LeBron and Kobe almonds. GOAT
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Ben Bosmans-Verdonk, Illini forward, confirms that he'll return to Champaign in early June
For the first time since the summer of 2019, BBV will travel home to Lommel, Belgium
Summer focus is on staying healthy
6-8 & 235 pound RS Sophomore has 4 years of eligibility remaining
https://twitter.com/MaxFeldman6/status/1378824150861672448?s=19
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Edited original post to indicate that BBV returning.
Not clear as to how many years he has left. Played 8 games this year in limited action so not sure why it says he has 4 years left.
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That same Twitter post indicated TyTy to Kansas and Miller to Michigan.
I don't see those confirmed anywhere.
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Think he got a medical redshirt last year and this year doesn’t count. But I didn’t have time to goggle
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Why would he transfer to bumfck Central Ilinois to be recruited over and be a backup for two more years. This kid will get starter minutes.
Oh no doubt he’ll get starter minutes. He just wasn’t promised a starting spot due to Kofi’s status up in the air.
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Oh no doubt he’ll get starter minutes. He just wasn’t promised a starting spot due to Kofi’s status up in the air.
That makes sense.
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Ben Bosmans-Verdonk, Illini forward, confirms that he'll return to Champaign in early June
For the first time since the summer of 2019, BBV will travel home to Lommel, Belgium
Summer focus is on staying healthy
6-8 & 235 pound RS Sophomore has 4 years of eligibility remaining
https://twitter.com/MaxFeldman6/status/1378824150861672448?s=19
He confirmed he wants to return....but they didn’t have “the talk” with Brad yet. Sometimes that leads to being walked out
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I have no issues rolling dice on Payne...but he comes in as a foul machine with almost no offensive skills and prone to making dumb mistakes. He’s mobile and can block and they think He’s a pick and roll guy per his analytics.
Mehhhhhhh.
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I have no issues rolling dice on Payne...but he comes in as a foul machine with almost no offensive skills and prone to making dumb mistakes. He’s mobile and can block and they think He’s a pick and roll guy per his analytics.
Mehhhhhhh.
After seeing what Antigua did with Kofi, I’m sure he can improve Payne into an decent and effective offensive player. By effective, in no way am I saying into what Kofi is. Payne already has a pretty nice upside on the defensive end.
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I’m setting my expectation for Payne as career role player and hoping for better.
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I’m hearing Kofi will back.
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I’m hearing Kofi will back.
That would change everything, of course.
Have to think he is going to spend a lot of time getting feedback about where he might go in draft.
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The Loyola game certainly didn’t do Kofi any favors. I imagine there’s some appeal to coming back to Illinois as the primary weapon. Especially if he has pieces around him. He’d certainly be a preseason AA and would have every opportunity to earn some huge personal accolades.
On the other hand his NBA aspirations probably depend shedding some mass and working on a lot of things he’s not going to do inside the framework of the Illini offense.
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He is 22 years old this year.
I dunno. Hard to see him coming back. He is not going to get significantly better at the three things he has to improve with another year at Illinois - defense in space, passing, and a perimeter jumper.
Who knows, maybe he thinks he can get into first round by staying.
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Meanwhile- Curbelo is doing work.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1375866833463615500 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1375866833463615500)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR-yaefnuFsF61xxbtFI25CFFpkP_U6kM0Kzg&usqp=CAU)
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hopefully taking a thousand shots a day
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IU is hitting Adam Miller, which likely signals they are not confident Franklin returns. Sounds like he likes Illinois but there’s a hesitancy in playing his old team
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IU is hitting Adam Miller, which likely signals they are not confident Franklin returns. Sounds like he likes Illinois but there’s a hesitancy in playing his old team
I think that is a good trade.
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I think that is a good trade.
I’d take that trade. Franklin to us, Miller to them.
Makes no sense whatsoever from Miller’s standpoint to go to IU, but hey to each their own.
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I’d take that trade. Franklin to us, Miller to them.
Makes no sense whatsoever from Miller’s standpoint to go to IU, but hey to each their own.
Who knows what is going on with him and his clan.
They took this reactive butthurt approach for various beefs they had and did not take calls from staff or players per reports.
The idea of going to UM is maybe not so great as they should be pretty well loaded again. The Purdue talk is a dead end. That freshman kid is their Ayo wannabe and will be main focus along with the post guys.
He wants to be featured in an offense it appears which means getting 12-14 shots/takes a game and being able to show combo guard skills and have the ball in his hands more.
The Baylor guards last night showed what being able to shoot, and take your man off the dribble, and distribute looks like if you want to play at next level and are not 6'7".
He does not have those skills.
Nothing preventing him from developing those here except his ego right now. He would be expected to take a major scoring role.
He could make a living next year attacking close outs with Curbelo distributing.
They may have boxed themselves in and Hulka said asta la vista pretty quickly. Everybody needs to find a way to save face.
A lineup of Curbelo/Miller/Franklin/Hutch/Jobu with Grandison, Hawkins,Goode, Melendez, Podz,BBV is a probably a tourney team.
Take out Miller and it is still probably a tourney team as long as we get Franklin or some other proven scoring wing.
No Franklin or similar, and no Miller and we are fucked.
Of course if Kofi somehow returns we are Top 20.
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Nothing preventing him from developing those here except his ego right now.
After all, we saw how well they taught Ayo to go to his left and Kofi to pass the ball when double and triple teamed.
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After all, we saw how well they taught Ayo to go to his left and Kofi to pass the ball when double and triple teamed.
Yeah should have made Ayo practice left handed layups like Bruce did with Dee because clearly Ayo didn’t put any work in on his own since last year
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I’m hearing Kofi will back.
They seem to be preparing for him not to be
They spoke with Christian Bishop (undersized 5 at Creighton) today and are also talking to Liam Robbins from MN
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They seem to be preparing for him not to be
They spoke with Christian Bishop (undersized 5 at Creighton) today and are also talking to Liam Robbins from MN
Robbins is kid from Davenport. Is serviceable center. Was playing decent before the injury.
We need Franklin to jump.
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Yeah should have made Ayo practice left handed layups like Bruce did with Dee because clearly Ayo didn’t put any work in on his own since last year
Ayo worked hard on his strength, finishing, and his shooting and deserves tremendous credit. He is a pretty weak ball handler and below average defender though.
Kofi improved his finishing quite a bit as the season progressed. Can't pass at all, guard out on floor, or shoot beyond three feet. Both exceptional at this level in spite of these flaws. Both will have a lot of work to do beyond college.
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Robbins is kid from Davenport. Is serviceable center. Was playing decent before the injury.
We need Franklin to jump.
Robbins was pretty darn good. Pretty skilled too.
I’m not sure I see the fit for Bishop as he is an undersized big with no range
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I will see what I can find out about the Robbins talk.
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I will see what I can find out about the Robbins talk.
Robbins would be nice.
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OK, I guess a lot of interest from teams in Robbins. He is supposedly a genuinely good kid and worker.
Will be taking time to find best fit.
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Adding AJ Storr to original post. He may be a 2022 recruit however. Might reclassify to 2021.
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Robbins was a big contributor for the gofs. He's a presence in the post for sure, but expecting a full year out of him at the P5 level may be a tall order.
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B1G musical chairs this is gonna be great said no one ever
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They aren’t getting Franklin, UVA is
Adam Miller was just on IG saying he’s coming back I guess. (Not sure if that’s settled yet )
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They aren’t getting Franklin, UVA is
Adam Miller was just on IG saying he’s coming back I guess. (Not sure if that’s settled yet )
That is good news if true. Get to work on attacking close outs off the bounce. He will get all he can eat next year. Let's see what he's got.
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Adam Miller was just on IG saying he’s coming back I guess. (Not sure if that’s settled yet )
Hope he doesn't read this board....
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Hope he doesn't read this board....
I doubt that is anything to worry about.
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On a positive note- Here is video of Hutcherson.
He does have nice stroke.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1379469531945570306 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1379469531945570306)
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Hope he doesn't read this board....
Why? Would you be concerned with what 5 random dipshits think of you?
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Why? Would you be concerned with what 5 random dipshits think of you?
Am I in the clear ? lol.
(https://i.ibb.co/nksmj8M/Screenshot-20210408-084927.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kcgBX62)
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Am I in the clear ? lol.
(https://i.ibb.co/nksmj8M/Screenshot-20210408-084927.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kcgBX62)
Haha. Look, I'm not trying to insult anyone on here, but from his perspective - would he really care about what this group has to say? Or even know that we exist? Although, this is clearly the best Illini website around. 8)
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Coach Hulka on the new reality in CBB.
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-basketball-transfer-portal-Brad-Underwood-Adam-Miller-163715113/
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Haha. Look, I'm not trying to insult anyone on here, but from his perspective - would he really care about what this group has to say? Or even know that we exist? Although, this is clearly the best Illini website around. 8)
I’m not even sure the government knows this place exists
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Haha. Look, I'm not trying to insult anyone on here, but from his perspective - would he really care about what this group has to say? Or even know that we exist? Although, this is clearly the best Illini website around. 8)
I was kidding.
There's a good chance we've all said good and bad about everybody.
And on successive possessions too.
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I’m not even sure the government knows this place exists
Definitely not. With all the racist/homophobic comments, threatening to kill people, etc... on here, I think we’d all be jobless and in prison by now if they did ;D
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I will kill Biden.
Fixed it for ya.
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Can you kill something that's already dead?
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Why? Would you be concerned with what 5 random dipshits think of you?
You know the kids today are really sensitive. Just look at Judge Judy.
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You know the kids today are really sensitive. Just look at Judge Judy.
You’re the one that ran away, bitch!
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https://twitter.com/craigwchoate/status/1380250203551367169?s=21
Giorgi going pro
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You know the kids today are really sensitive. Just look at Judge Judy.
Honest to God any kid butthurt by the HQ needs to GTFO.
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More time for Georgi to practice his dance moves.
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Georgi career. What a let down after his freshman year.
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Georgi career. What a let down after his freshman year.
Disagree. He took on a secondary role to Kofi.
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Original Post edited:
Miller in flux.
Nunge gone.
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Georgi career. What a let down after his freshman year.
He was good enough to start on a P5 team, and he willingly took a backseat to a better player without complaint. IMO, it’s hard to consider anyone with a single bad word to say about Giorgi an Illini fan.
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Georgi career. What a let down after his freshman year.
He had to adjust to playing a new role with Kofi in town and eventually settled in
and was a solid contributor. That’s not a letdown in my book.
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https://twitter.com/_Trentfrazier1/status/1380648914353807364
Good luck, Trent!
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Best of luck in everything, Trent.
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Tweet deleted
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I will also be entering the NBA draft
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Taking the maybe sticking around route.
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So, what is Trent doing???
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https://twitter.com/_Trentfrazier1/status/1380661761720877071
My guess is if he's playing college ball next year, it'll be at a different school...probably closer to home
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I’m gonna do workouts and get some feedback but am not hiring an agent
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So, what is Trent doing???
Well he’s not going to be playing in the NBA unless it’s on a video game.
I would guess a combination of reviewing the foreign league options, seeing what happens to the NIL, and seeing what happens to the roster
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I thought Trent was signing to play in Puerto Rico.
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I will also be entering the NBA draft
Me too. I’m a 40-something 6’2” stretch 4 with good length for my height, 30 extra pounds and at least a 15” vertical. I think my skills are perfectly suited for the modern NBA.
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I, too, have decided to enter the 2021 NBA draft to pursue my dream.
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Might as well.
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Me too. I’m a 40-something 6’2” stretch 4 with good length for my height, 30 extra pounds and at least a 15” vertical. I think my skills are perfectly suited for the modern NBA.
Have you and Breal down as top 5 picks in my mock draft
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I thought Trent was signing to play in Puerto Rico.
And black!
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OK, Have no idea what is happening with Miller now.
Apparently a tweet was posted by AJ Guyton that Miller was going to Kentucky. Tweet now deleted.
https://www.aseaofblue.com/2021/4/8/22374294/adam-miller-kentucky-basketball-recruiting-news-uk-wildcats-illinois-illini (https://www.aseaofblue.com/2021/4/8/22374294/adam-miller-kentucky-basketball-recruiting-news-uk-wildcats-illinois-illini)
https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/kentucky-considered-an-option-for-illinois-guard-adam-miller/ (https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/kentucky-considered-an-option-for-illinois-guard-adam-miller/)
No news from the meeting with Coach Hulka yesterday....
Maybe they were not able to work it out.
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Acewolf Acedog AcePup is one hot mess.
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OK, Have no idea what is happening with Miller now.
Apparently a tweet was posted by AJ Guyton that Miller was going to Kentucky. Tweet now deleted.
https://www.aseaofblue.com/2021/4/8/22374294/adam-miller-kentucky-basketball-recruiting-news-uk-wildcats-illinois-illini (https://www.aseaofblue.com/2021/4/8/22374294/adam-miller-kentucky-basketball-recruiting-news-uk-wildcats-illinois-illini)
https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/kentucky-considered-an-option-for-illinois-guard-adam-miller/ (https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/kentucky-considered-an-option-for-illinois-guard-adam-miller/)
No news from the meeting with Coach Hulka yesterday....
Maybe they were not able to work it out.
Miller @ pg for UK = great fit /s
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OK, Have no idea what is happening with Miller now.
Apparently a tweet was posted by AJ Guyton that Miller was going to Kentucky. Tweet now deleted.
https://www.aseaofblue.com/2021/4/8/22374294/adam-miller-kentucky-basketball-recruiting-news-uk-wildcats-illinois-illini (https://www.aseaofblue.com/2021/4/8/22374294/adam-miller-kentucky-basketball-recruiting-news-uk-wildcats-illinois-illini)
https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/kentucky-considered-an-option-for-illinois-guard-adam-miller/ (https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/kentucky-considered-an-option-for-illinois-guard-adam-miller/)
No news from the meeting with Coach Hulka yesterday....
Maybe they were not able to work it out.
Calipari would have to be crazy to put Miller as his starting PG. He has nowhere near the handles to lead an offense. Kentucky hasn’t been a very good spot for Illinois-based players recently. Not really sure wtf Kentucky or Miller is thinking.
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Miller could join Hopkins on the UK bench and practice squad.
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Illinois already reaching out to Texas Tech G Kyler Edwards.
Not sure if that’s related to the Miller talk. Obviously sounds kinda weird but some of that may be driven by his people
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What an utter disgrace and in shambles this program is.
Only Coach Underwhelm could take us to the tip of a mountain top to 6 feet under in a matter of weeks. Time to shell out some money and get a real coach. Apparently 3.5 mil isn’t enough.
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Sounds like a meeting with his mother will be part 2
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Calipari would have to be crazy to put Miller as his starting PG. He has nowhere near the handles to lead an offense. Kentucky hasn’t been a very good spot for Illinois-based players recently. Not really sure wtf Kentucky or Miller is thinking.
I think they are looking for a scoring wing who can shoot the three.
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Sounds like a meeting with his mother will be part 2
Geez.
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When it comes to Miller’s game, [Bryce's father Clyde] Hopkins says the standout freshman has plenty more in his bag of tools he wasn’t necessarily able to show at Illinois in year one.
“I’ve been watching Adam since his freshman year (of high school), I really like his game. Very versatile,” Hopkins told KSR. “He wasn’t able to show a lot of it this year down at (Illinois). He can handle the ball really well, he can shoot it, just a very versatile combo guard.”
https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/bryce-hopkins-recruiting-illinois-transfer-adam-miller-to-kentucky/
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I think they are looking for a scoring wing who can shoot the three.
Miller (or his mom) is looking to showcase his point guard skills for the NBA.
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He can try.
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What an utter disgrace and in shambles this program is.
Only Coach Underwhelm could take us to the tip of a mountain top to 6 feet under in a matter of weeks. Time to shell out some money and get a real coach. Apparently 3.5 mil isn’t enough.
You’re so dramatic. The program isn’t in shambles. It’s in better shape than it’s been in 15 years. Underwood is not in any danger of losing his job or moving on from him. If Whitman did that now after the year we had, he wouldn’t be able to ever get a head coach to come here. Get a clue dumbass.
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I’m sorry, but this is ridiculous and we’re still making excuses for Coach Underwhelm. I’m not gonna lie. I’m disappointed we didn’t get to see the end of last year as that team had a chance at the second weekend and played like a team. This 2020-2021 team didn’t. Most everyone with working brain cells would tend to agree. Even my dad said early after a few losses were not a top 25 team 🤣🤣🤣 and I wasn’t going to disagree with him because he had a point. Yeah, at some point we caught lighting in a bottle and it was after Ayo got hurt, they played like a team and nobody handled the Ayo return well as it never really looked the same again. BTT it looked good I get it. Apparently Ayo and Adam thing was real back before college. I mean, when you can’t keep one decent player to return when we should have had a top 5 starting 5 says it all to me. Probably see you all in another 15 years🤣🤣🤣
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You’re so dramatic. The program isn’t in shambles. It’s in better shape than it’s been in 15 years. Underwood is not in any danger of losing his job or moving on from him. If Whitman did that now after the year we had, he wouldn’t be able to ever get a head coach to come here. Get a clue dumbass.
Why? Because I’m telling the truth?🤣🤣🤣
Granted the last two years have been good after two bad years, but it takes a year or two to get going I’ll give you that. With all that said with what’s coming back we’re headed to the CIT. No way Kofi stays now with all the egos declaring for the draft on this team🤣🤣🤣. Shocked Adam didn’t either to be honest, just listen to mama and play overseas 🤣🤣🤣. I’m starting to think Coach Underwhelm can recruit a little bit, but Xs and Os are killing his resume.
We’re slowly going back up the good coaching tree. Henson/Krueger/Self set a standard. Weber/Groce/Underwhelm and granted Underwhelm is trying to clean up previous messes. Problem for Underwhelm is he’s making a mess of this team. It went from top 5-10 to laughingstock overnight.
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Miller (or his mom) is looking to showcase his point guard skills for the NBA.
Am not exactly sure what they are looking for. I imagine they see him as a combo guard of some sort.
He has not shown those skills. He had 25 assists and 33 TOs in 31 games. Nobody put a gun to his head to just sit in the corner and not attack closeouts.
When he did drive later in year he got stuffed and did not show ability to finish or penetrate and kick.
He needs to work on those aspects at this level. Do the work.
Hell, even Ayo is not really a combo guard. He was a TO machine under ball pressure, and lacks the needed handle overall, or decision making.
Will be a contributing scoring wing for somebody at next level if he commits to guarding.
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Illinois already reaching out to Texas Tech G Kyler Edwards.
Not sure if that’s related to the Miller talk. Obviously sounds kinda weird but some of that may be driven by his people
41% from three. Over 2/1 A/TO ratio.
We will take him.
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None of the Miller situation makes any sense to me.
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I may be wrong, but it seems like a lead or point guard needs court awareness, strong handle, passing skills. Miller has not demonstrated any of those.
UK's guard situation is historically weak for them. He could get rotation minutes. They could also suck again.
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Trent back
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Trent back
Where was this reported?
Certainly helps us if true.
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Where was this reported?
Certainly helps us if true.
His dad and brother on twitter.
https://twitter.com/Leenut2k/status/1381436073004384260
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His dad and brother on twitter.
https://twitter.com/Leenut2k/status/1381436073004384260
So it was a tweet by Kedric that it was stated on a Ryan Evans the child abuser podcast 2 days after he announced his intention to use an NCAA agent to pursue pro options?
Kedric has no further info. Odd.
https://twitter.com/KedPrince4/status/1381439143239122958?s=20 (https://twitter.com/KedPrince4/status/1381439143239122958?s=20)
WTF is Kedric doing hanging around with Ryan Evans??
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So uh, Trent's back I guess?
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So it was a tweet by Kedric that it was stated on a Ryan Evans the child abuser podcast 2 days after he announced his intention to use an NCAA agent to pursue pro options?
Kedric has no further info. Odd.
https://twitter.com/KedPrince4/status/1381439143239122958?s=20 (https://twitter.com/KedPrince4/status/1381439143239122958?s=20)
WTF is Kedric doing hanging around with Ryan Evans??
I have no idea why people like Brad Sturdy, Ryan Baker, Bob Asmussen, Mark Tupper, and Kedric Prince follow Ryan Evans.
I have no idea why Trent Frazier's dad went on the Pulse to announce this.
I do know what Ked tweeted and Trent's brother confirmed.
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I have no idea why people like Brad Sturdy, Ryan Baker, Bob Asmussen, Mark Tupper, and Kedric Prince follow Ryan Evans.
I have no idea why Trent Frazier's dad went on the Pulse to announce this.
I do know what Ked tweeted and Trent's brother confirmed.
Well, maybe it is true. One might think that Trent would state this, but anything is possible these days.
I think if this is true- then it adds another element to the ongoing crazy Miller saga. Both he and Trent deferred to Ayo and took only 7 shots a game.
Trent does everything better than Miller, would be secondary point guard, and would be getting 12/13 shots/takes a game easily.
Would not prevent Miller from increasing his shots/takes also, but he would not be the man or a primary ballhandler.
Will see if this gets confirmed by a legit news source or Trent.
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Not terribly surprising, he doesn’t exactly have a solid pro path. This is going to be one very small backcourt if Miller comes back...
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Not terribly surprising, he doesn’t exactly have a solid pro path. This is going to be one very small backcourt if Miller comes back...
We were small this year at 1-4.
Was a problem. Bigger guards and wings backed us down all year in half court.
We couldn't get our own shot in half court.
Hutcherson is supposedly 6'7" in socks.
The guy will get a chance to start no matter what at the 3 or 4 depending on who comes back.
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We were small this year at 1-4.
Was a problem. Bigger guards and wings backed us down all year in half court.
We couldn't get our own shot in half court.
Hutcherson is supposedly 6'7" in socks.
The guy will get a chance to start no matter what at the 3 or 4 depending on who comes back.
Yeah but Ayo was 6’5” At least. Miller can’t come back and not start, and Frazier isn’t coming back to be a 6th man either. That’s....a weird starting lineup. I’m guessing not the way they would prefer it looks either
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Ayo wasn't bad shooting the passing lanes once in awhile, but on ball defense was nothing special. He had the length and was a lot stronger this year.
Yeah, Miller is going to want a lot of shots and the ball more, if he comes back as is Trent who still prefers the ball in his hands. And Curbelo does the Nash thing of dribbling deep to find people and likes to score also.
The 4 would be Hutcherson on paper who also was high volume scorer lead guard in D3.
Only one basketball. Lol.
I think you are right they were hoping to get longer, not smaller, but it would be competitive group if Payne can guard at all and they don't get pissed at each other.
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I imagine that’s where you hope one of the 6’7” incoming HS recruits can make an impact by mid season, or get a quality transfer. Although I doubt any transfer wants to come in behind Curbelo, Miller or Frazier. And there are rumors of DMW coming back. I refuse to believe in the Hutch thing until I see him playing basketball for Illinois with my own two eyes.
As it stands now maybe looking at a rotation of AC-TF-AM-DMW-Grandison-Hawkins-Kofi and possibly one or both of the freshmen?
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I imagine that’s where you hope one of the 6’7” incoming HS recruits can make an impact by mid season, or get a quality transfer. Although I doubt any transfer wants to come in behind Curbelo, Miller or Frazier. And there are rumors of DMW coming back. I refuse to believe in the Hutch thing until I see him playing basketball for Illinois with my own two eyes.
As it stands now maybe looking at a rotation of AC-TF-AM-DMW-Grandison-Hawkins-Kofi and possibly one or both of the freshmen?
Payne is going to likely start
I’d go as far as calling DW back as likely at this point
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I imagine that’s where you hope one of the 6’7” incoming HS recruits can make an impact by mid season, or get a quality transfer. Although I doubt any transfer wants to come in behind Curbelo, Miller or Frazier. And there are rumors of DMW coming back. I refuse to believe in the Hutch thing until I see him playing basketball for Illinois with my own two eyes.
As it stands now maybe looking at a rotation of AC-TF-AM-DMW-Grandison-Hawkins-Kofi and possibly one or both of the freshmen?
We would all love to see Kofi back as that makes us a Top 20 team easily, but just don't see a 22 year old guy who wants to get to NBA someday spending another year beating up on college players when he needs full time training against grown men.
I think DMW/Grandison starting makes sense if we had a Kofi back.
As we likely will not, we can't have 2 guys on the floor who can't score and are too small to guard 4's a lot. It hurt us on defense this year all year.
I am very curious about Hutcherson and cautiously optimistic he can play at this level and contribute at least as well as any of the freshmen we are bringing in or Grandison or DMW or Hawkins.
If those videos were of an alleged Top 100 HS incoming recruit people would be excited about a 6'7' shooter with 41" vertical and reasonable ball skills.
After being here at practice for a year- I think a starting job is his to lose unless he cant guard an empty chair or get his shot off which is possible. But both DMW and Grandison need a half hour to load up and take a three, and neither can shoot off the bounce at all.
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We would all love to see Kofi back as that makes us a Top 20 team easily, but just don't see a 22 year old guy who wants to get to NBA someday spending another year beating up on college players when he needs full time training against grown men.
I think DMW/Grandison starting makes sense if we had a Kofi back.
As we likely will not, we can't have 2 guys on the floor who can't score and are too small to guard 4's a lot. It hurt us on defense this year all year.
I am very curious about Hutcherson and cautiously optimistic he can play at this level and contribute at least as well as any of the freshmen we are bringing in or Grandison or DMW or Hawkins.
If those videos were of an alleged Top 100 HS incoming recruit people would be excited about a 6'7' shooter with 41" vertical and reasonable ball skills.
After being here at practice for a year- I think a starting job is his to lose unless he cant guard an empty chair or get his shot off which is possible. But both DMW and Grandison need a half hour to load up and take a three, and neither can shoot off the bounce at all.
Hutcherson apparently was by far the best defender of Ayo in practice
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When was the last time Hutch played? I thought he was laid up all year and had another back surgery in California?
I’m guessing they think they can turn Payne into defensive specialist who can guard a bunch of positions and not have to switch. Maybe a guy who can gets lobs in transition. I don’t see much else in him.
I don’t think it makes sense for Kofi to come back if his primary goal is a paycheck right now, but maybe this group sees what they did without Ayo when he was out and wants to come back for another run? Kofi’s pro options are limited and there’s no guarantee a team invests in him and gives him an opportunity to work on aspects of his game that may be physically impossible for him.
I do agree with Rob though the only times I’ve seen him shoot midrange he made them and he shot FTs pretty well down the stretch the last two seasons. Although he had games where he looked like it was the first time he ever played. I think his routine of moving his right foot over a few inches right before he sets to shoot is kind of odd.
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Hutcherson apparently was by far the best defender of Ayo in practice
Good to know.
Ayo had trouble in half court with guys with some length who could stay in front of him which wasn't that hard.
Ayo was great in open court or on the move of course or when he had open midrange.
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When was the last time Hutch played? I thought he was laid up all year and had another back surgery in California?
I’m guessing they think they can turn Payne into defensive specialist who can guard a bunch of positions and not have to switch. Maybe a guy who can gets lobs in transition. I don’t see much else in him.
I don’t think it makes sense for Kofi to come back if his primary goal is a paycheck right now, but maybe this group sees what they did without Ayo when he was out and wants to come back for another run? Kofi’s pro options are limited and there’s no guarantee a team invests in him and gives him an opportunity to work on aspects of his game that may be physically impossible for him.
I do agree with Rob though the only times I’ve seen him shoot midrange he made them and he shot FTs pretty well down the stretch the last two seasons. Although he had games where he looked like it was the first time he ever played. I think his routine of moving his right foot over a few inches right before he sets to shoot is kind of odd.
I think Hutcherson is healthy now. I guess we will see and hear more this summer.
Who knows. He looks like he has some tools and athleticism.
We don't have anybody that great at the 4 right now, so he has an opportunity.
I agree that Payne will be hopefully be a mobile D guy mostly.
I think an NBA team could sign Kofi and have him work in G league. He actually looked like he might be able to learn to shoot face up, and pass a little last year. They turned him into Wreck it Ralph this year.
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I think Hutcherson is healthy now. I guess we will see and hear more this summer.
Who knows. He looks like he has some tools and athleticism.
We don't have anybody that great at the 4 right now, so he has an opportunity.
I agree that Payne will be hopefully be a mobile D guy mostly.
I think an NBA team could sign Kofi and have him work in G league. He actually looked like he might be able to learn to shoot face up, and pass a little last year. They turned him into Wreck it Ralph this year.
hopefully Coleman Hawkins makes a giant leap this off season
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When was the last time Hutch played? I thought he was laid up all year and had another back surgery in California?
I’m guessing they think they can turn Payne into defensive specialist who can guard a bunch of positions and not have to switch. Maybe a guy who can gets lobs in transition. I don’t see much else in him.
I don’t think it makes sense for Kofi to come back if his primary goal is a paycheck right now, but maybe this group sees what they did without Ayo when he was out and wants to come back for another run? Kofi’s pro options are limited and there’s no guarantee a team invests in him and gives him an opportunity to work on aspects of his game that may be physically impossible for him.
I do agree with Rob though the only times I’ve seen him shoot midrange he made them and he shot FTs pretty well down the stretch the last two seasons. Although he had games where he looked like it was the first time he ever played. I think his routine of moving his right foot over a few inches right before he sets to shoot is kind of odd.
They did this when they went after Grandison too, but they liked Payne because he has some crazy efficient analytics...in this case the pick n roll analytics. They also wanted someone who can play both the 4 and the 5 to cover their ass on Kofi
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hopefully Coleman Hawkins makes a giant leap this off season
I was impressed by his D, court awareness, and not leaving his feet. He's a potential starter imho.
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I thought he [Hutch] was laid up all year and had another back surgery in California?
I don't think he had any surgery for the 2 unrelated back injuries. Just physical therapy.
Missed sophomore season due to two herniated discs in back from auto accident (not his fault).
Recovered from that, was undercut in practice junior season. Broken wrist and jaw.
Played 2 years of D-3 ball. Grew 4 or 5 inches.
Transferred to UI. Sat out 2020 season.
Missed 2021 season recovering from a spinal stress fracture.
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I don't think he had any surgery for the 2 unrelated back injuries. Just physical therapy.
Missed sophomore season due to two herniated discs in back from auto accident (not his fault).
Recovered from that, was undercut in practice junior season. Broken wrist and jaw.
Played 2 years of D-3 ball. Grew 4 or 5 inches.
Transferred to UI. Sat out 2020 season.
Missed 2021 season recovering from a spinal stress fracture.
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Hahaha.
Awesome movie.
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No word from Trent or any media outlet.
The Dad post is still up and Kedric is apologizing for reporting the info on the podcast on Child Abuser podcast.
Dad stating education more important than basketball.....
https://twitter.com/RodnellFrazier3/status/1381589685139607553 (https://twitter.com/RodnellFrazier3/status/1381589685139607553)
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Fucking classic
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I don't think he had any surgery for the 2 unrelated back injuries. Just physical therapy.
Missed sophomore season due to two herniated discs in back from auto accident (not his fault).
Recovered from that, was undercut in practice junior season. Broken wrist and jaw.
Played 2 years of D-3 ball. Grew 4 or 5 inches.
Transferred to UI. Sat out 2020 season.
Missed 2021 season recovering from a spinal stress fracture.
Hutch makes Mikey Dudek look lucky
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I see we’re still reaching with the what if happens roster moves. Well, at least it keeps the suspense going during the off-season after the pile of dogcrap that was the Loyola game.
Now que “fucking” and his poo poo line.🤣🤣🤣
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https://twitter.com/brandinpodziem2/status/1382017537064460288?s=21
Huge pickup!
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hah no shit he went to my high school (where I was also a bball player)
Trayvon Hughes (PG from a few years back) for Wisconsin did too
oh no did I just dox myself
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A 6'5 lefty who can shoot deep and maybe rebound pretty well. Averaged 35pts 10rbs 5a & 4st last yr. Not bad I guess.
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A 6'5 lefty who can shoot deep and maybe rebound pretty well. Averaged 35pts 10rbs 5a & 4st last yr. Not bad I guess.
the competition is garbage though for real but those stats are insane for any level
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Kid must have really impressed in last few months. Really shot up the rankings at 247.
Solid list of high major offers. Sounds good.
https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Brandin-Podziemski-140126/RecruitInterests/ (https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Brandin-Podziemski-140126/RecruitInterests/)
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He’s a nice addition. Shooters with size and skill....sign me up
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the competition is garbage
Kansas and Kentucky, crap programs.
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Kansas and Kentucky, crap programs.
I think he meant his HS competition???
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I think he meant his HS competition???
yeah exactly, not sure why Rob is having such reading comprehension issues lately... hey dude go get your head scanned please! Early detection is the best protection!
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Glad we got a blonde to go with the ginger. Diversity and inclusion.
Didn’t know 97 was from the land of cheese and bubblers
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Glad we got a blonde to go with the ginger. Diversity and inclusion.
Didn’t know 97 was from the land of cheese and bubblers
I'm not... its a military boarding school, or was at least when I was there what seems like an extremely long time ago
I think they even let chicks in there now... fuckin pussies
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Glad we got a blonde to go with the ginger. Diversity and inclusion.
Didn’t know 97 was from the land of cheese and bubblers
To this day he’s the only person who lived up here and actually wanted to return to that shithole to the south
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To this day he’s the only person who lived up here and actually wanted to return to that shithole to the south
I think I mentioned the time I was at Summerfest.
Got arrested for jaywalking and thrown in a Paddy wagon by Milwaukee's finest.
They taunted us when they looked at our ID's. "So you are FIBs?"
(Fucking Illinois Bastards).
Fuck you guys. LOL.
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I think he meant his HS competition???
Rob is never wrong. Just ask him.
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To this day he’s the only person who lived up here and actually wanted to return to that shithole to the south
xxxx is south of me. stts (shithole to the south) may work for you.
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yeah exactly, not sure why Rob is having such reading comprehension issues lately... hey dude go get your head scanned please! Early detection is the best protection!
I do have a suspicious bump on the top of my head. It's probably cancer.
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Gonna be confusing as heck with class being different for eligibility and scholarship count.
If I am counting correctly, assuming only Ayo and GB are gone, the next 2 incoming classes are full.
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To this day he’s the only person who lived up here and actually wanted to return to that shithole to the south
well to be fair, I didn't want to live in Wisconsin for high school either, and what can I say, I was young and really stupid
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I do have a suspicious bump on the top of my head. It's probably cancer.
well I certainly hope that is not the case
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Gonna be confusing as heck with class being different for eligibility and scholarship count.
If I am counting correctly, assuming only Ayo and GB are gone, the next 2 incoming classes are full.
I think a lot of unknowns about several guys right now. It has been stated that it is doubtful that Hamlin is back. Some wonder if BBV might get creaned. Most think Kofi will not return when all is said and done.
Who the fck knows about Acepuppy.
Frazier has not confirmed the claim by his dad and little brother from a couple nights ago that he is coming back.
Storrs could be a 21 or 22 entry.
That said, it seems like the biggest question is if Kofi comes back. Kind of assuming that he will not.
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well to be fair, I didn't want to live in Wisconsin for high school either, and what can I say, I was young and really stupid
It is all coming together now.
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well I certainly hope that is not the case
Because you would rather see him run over by a bus? I kid, I kid.
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Because you would rather see him run over by a bus? I kid, I kid.
No because im not an asshole who wishes death on others, unless its a WFF, they can all die in fiery car crashes for all I care
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No because im not an asshole who wishes death on others, unless its a WFF, they can all die in fiery car crashes for all I care
https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/WFF
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Weber fan first
cmon even Rob knows that one
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I do know what a WFF is, and I do hope that Old97 contracts something really horrible.
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yeah exactly, not sure why Rob is having such reading comprehension issues lately... hey dude go get your head scanned please! Early detection is the best protection!
This isn’t new. Comprehension has been a problem of Rob’s since...always.
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I do have a suspicious bump on the top of my head. It's probably cancer.
We can only hope.
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Because you would rather see him run over by a bus? I kid, I kid.
He’s got a pretty soft stance on Rob for a guy who says he’s incapable of love.
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This is the definition of irony.
Lol. I’ll stack my record against yours any day of the week. What is your record btw?
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Jobu is undefeated.
What a silly question.
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I think a lot of unknowns about several guys right now. It has been stated that it is doubtful that Hamlin is back. Some wonder if BBV might get creaned. Most think Kofi will not return when all is said and done.
Who the fck knows about Acepuppy.
Frazier has not confirmed the claim by his dad and little brother from a couple nights ago that he is coming back.
Storrs could be a 21 or 22 entry.
That said, it seems like the biggest question is if Kofi comes back. Kind of assuming that he will not.
All good points, although Kofi I believe will be back, the mock drafts have him Nowhere to be found and G-League would be only real possibility. I think he comes back to a down BIG league, dominates, and increases the optical of his skill set (albeit against some inferior players). The guards and wings alone will make him look better as well.
Frazier I think will be coming back ONLY if a player gets slapped with the Wood lol, (Crean) is outdated and well to have this happen is kind of a DICK move regardless of the situation... ;D.
Storrs I think gets pushed back to 2022 with all the other wings already committed. I think most believe it is Time for MIller to be gone as his Mommy does.
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All good points, although Kofi I believe will be back, the mock drafts have him Nowhere to be found and G-League would be only real possibility. I think he comes back to a down BIG league, dominates, and increases the optical of his skill set (albeit against some inferior players). The guards and wings alone will make him look better as well.
Frazier I think will be coming back ONLY if a player gets slapped with the Wood lol, (Crean) is outdated and well to have this happen is kind of a DICK move regardless of the situation... ;D.
Storrs I think gets pushed back to 2022 with all the other wings already committed. I think most believe it is Time for MIller to be gone as his Mommy does.
I have friend who coaches and trains guys who are now in the NBA and has several guys overseas. He thinks Kofi probably goes. He is 22 this year. He is showing up in some mock drafts in second round.
NBA scouts do not give a shit if you pile up stats versus crap competition in college. They look at potential to translate into a modern game usable roster guy. Kofi will never start anywhere in NBA, but he might be a usable guy off the bench someday in right system with right training.
As for Frazier coming back- I am 100% sure if he wants to do so, they will figure it out.
Guys get counseled out who do not fit all of the time. This isn't everybody gets a juicebox and participation medal soccer league for 5 year olds.
If you haven't seen the floor for two years hardly at all and they are actively recruiting over you- you probably need to think about moving on.
I agree that Miller thing is not looking good. I don't care either way if we get Plummer or Frazier comes back. Both are better than him.
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I would like to see Miller come back and have a good year. It's not good optics to keep striking out on Illinois Mr Basketball.
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No meeting scheduled with Miller and his agent (his mother) until after the Plummer announcement. I don’t believe that’s a coincidence
Idk about Kofi yet. The desire to leave is very much there, and the people around him will likely encourage it. The NBA feedback is going to very likely suck so hopefully the decisions are wise .
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No meeting scheduled with Miller and his agent (his mother) until after the Plummer announcement. I don’t believe that’s a coincidence
Idk about Kofi yet. The desire to leave is very much there, and the people around him will likely encourage it. The NBA feedback is going to very likely suck so hopefully the decisions are wise .
Is the time of the meeting a decision made on Underwood’s watch or the Millers?
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No meeting scheduled with Miller and his agent (his mother) until after the Plummer announcement. I don’t believe that’s a coincidence
Idk about Kofi yet. The desire to leave is very much there, and the people around him will likely encourage it. The NBA feedback is going to very likely suck so hopefully the decisions are wise .
I do think the feedback for Kofi will be very mixed. Nice scoring numbers and rebounding numbers and improved his back to basket game, and he runs the court OK.
5 Assists in 31 games, no face up game at all, and inability to move his feet to guard in space very well is all a problem.
But it only takes one team to take a flyer and take him as FA and assign him to G League.
The problem is I don't think staying a year helps him that much. He will be in same boat this time next summer. I do think that he can improve his passing and a get some sort of face up game with a lot of work as a pro. Not sure about his agility, but could become passable.
He is not like Garza who is just lumbering as shit, and will always be lumbering.
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No meeting scheduled with Miller and his agent (his mother) until after the Plummer announcement. I don’t believe that’s a coincidence
Idk about Kofi yet. The desire to leave is very much there, and the people around him will likely encourage it. The NBA feedback is going to very likely suck so hopefully the decisions are wise .
Do we have to start Plummer if he comes here or is he willing to be a 6th man?
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I'm not really understanding us going after Plummer even if Miller doesn't return. Our backcourt is already too small as it is with Frazier and Belo.
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Kofi's gone. Even if he's not drafted he's likely going over seas and making money.
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Do we have to start Plummer if he comes here or is he willing to be a 6th man?
If he’s not starting he’s going to be the 1st guy off the bench. I don’t think a power conference guy with his resume would stick around in college to be a bench guy
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Frazier I think will be coming back ONLY if a player gets slapped with the Wood lol, (Crean) is outdated and well to have this happen is kind of a DICK move regardless of the situation... ;D.
We do realize if Frazier and Williams return our scholarship limit would be 15? No need to make room for them. Super-seniors don't count.
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Do we have to start Plummer if he comes here or is he willing to be a 6th man?
I doubt he will come here to come off the bench. He is pretty decent shooter. I am guessing they want to play Hutcherson starter minutes or start - and they certainly would not want to not start Hutcherson and have four guys (with Miller, Curbelo, Plummer and Trent) starting who are 6'2" and under and Payne.
If he commits they are done with Miller is my guess. Mrs. Miller will not want another shooter/scorer around especially if Trent is still out there.
Frazier comes back then we go Curbelo/Frazier/Plummer/Hutcherson/Payne with a bench of 3 freshmen wings, Grandison, and maybe DMW, and Hawkins.
No Frazier, we slot in Grandison or DMW, or one of frosh.
Or maybe Kofi does stay, then we get pretty good again.
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We do realize if Frazier and Williams return our scholarship limit would be 15? No need to make room for them. Super-seniors don't count.
Good information. I was wondering about the 13 limit being waived for the Covid year somehow.
The real issue is playing time at the 2/3 spots.
We have about 9 possible guys we can throw in there.
Frazier and a Plummer/Miller would have to start, so only spot in play is the 4 which I am guessing they would want Hutherrson to play so we were not midgets.
Of course Frazier and Miller and DMW and Plummer could all not be on roster and we are really young then and who knows who plays besides Hutcherson.
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If he’s not starting he’s going to be the 1st guy off the bench. I don’t think a power conference guy with his resume would stick around in college to be a bench guy
So was it Miller or Underwood who wanted the meeting after the Plummer decision?
I’d love it if Underwood said I wanna see what Plummer says first before I cater to you and your mom. He has Trent in the fold it sounds, so this might be his power play to show Miller we aren’t gonna accept that kind of attitude and here’s the repercussions of that.
Edit- Word is that Miller might be going to LSU if he doesn’t come back here. Whether that’s of his choosing or not is probably entirely up to what I stated above. I’m sure a lot of that is based on what Plummer does.
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btw, that covid scholarship exemption apparently only applies to so-called super seniors who return to the same school. Otherwise Plummer would not count?
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We do realize if Frazier and Williams return our scholarship limit would be 15? No need to make room for them. Super-seniors don't count.
I did not realize that. Good news!
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So was it Miller or Underwood who wanted the meeting after the Plummer decision?
Underwood wanted the meeting with his mother, as she was a source of a lot of frustration. I assumed he was delaying it, but actually sounds like she never agreed to it
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Underwood wanted the meeting with his mother, as she was a source of a lot of frustration. I assumed he was delaying it, but actually sounds like she never agreed to it
Well, Underwood offered to keep a dialogue going? Give him credit. All he could do.
I am sure he is not going to beg anyone to come to play. Would not seem like his style based upon what he has said before about wanting kids who want to be there.
Kedric posted something yesterday that implied as such.
Sounds like Miller is gone.
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I'm not really understanding us going after Plummer even if Miller doesn't return. Our backcourt is already too small as it is with Frazier and Belo.
Plummer to decide this weekend between Final 5 per Twitter...Frazier per Twitter to announce in 2 days? Should be an interesting weekend.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1382736434898026496
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Trent's back!
https://twitter.com/_Trentfrazier1/status/1383526060810145806
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Cool.
We will be competitive.
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Original post edited.
https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,265.0.html (https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,265.0.html)
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I would hope that players staying for the extra year, especially starters on a top 10/top 20 team, has to be good for the program's image.
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We are going to have an undersized, Puerto Rican backcourt. . . And it's going to be awesome.
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Kofi's gone. Even if he's not drafted he's likely going over seas and making money.
Most players dont leave early to play overseas, but the game is different today with the g league I guess
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We are going to have an undersized, Puerto Rican backcourt. . . And it's going to be awesome.
The moxie levels will be off the charts
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We are going to have an undersized, Puerto Rican backcourt. . . And it's going to be awesome.
When you add in RJ Melendez we will have 3 perimeter guys from PR on the floor sometimes.
We will be entertaining next year at the very least.
Should make tourney if they develop.
I think we will see more than a few games with over 25 three attempts.
We only took 17 per game this year. Made 6.35 per game.
We could start Curbelo/Frazier/Plummer/Hutcherson/Payne it appears.
Will have a pretty good bench and other options at 4 if they wish to start DMW or Grandison early in year.
If Kofi somehow ends up coming back- I will go on record that we could be better than this year.
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From Werner on Plummer commitment.
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-basketball-Florida-transfer-Omar-Payne-signs-with-Illini-164179193/ (https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-basketball-Florida-transfer-Omar-Payne-signs-with-Illini-164179193/)
Plummer ultimately chose Illinois over BYU, Florida, Georgia and Texas Texas. He told Illini Inquirer that Curbelo was a big reason for that.
“He’s Puerto Rican and there’s nothing better than teaming up with your people,” Plummer said. “He needs me and I need him. That was enough, because Puerto Ricans look out for each other like family.”
Plummer believes their games will complement each other extremely well. Curbelo can set him up for open looks and Plummer can capitalize. Last season, Plummer ranked in the 96th percentile of the NCAA on open catch-and-shoots by knocking them down at a 56-percent clip. On the flip side, that kind of shot-making prowess can create space for Curbelo to operate.
“I will help him and he will help me,” Plummer said. “Watch, y’all are gonna see one of the best backcourts in the nation.”
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The Puerto Rico pipeline is real ;)
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The Puerto Rico pipeline is real ;)
Lets hope Biden doesn't get near this one.... ;D ;D ;D
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https://twitter.com/Isaac_TrotterPB/status/1383549763186946060?s=19
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Thanks to LK for keeping this thread up.
With Plummer I'm more at ease with telling Miller to fuck off. Curbelo, Trent, and Plummer on a 3G could be fun, particularly if one of the 4 candidate makes a big leap.
Also totally okay being the school in the midwest Puerto Ricans want to go to. 200k in the Chicago area and the stateside diaspora has doubled in the last 30 years. Almost as good as us recruiting Indiana at this point.
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Thanks to LK for keeping this thread up.
With Plummer I'm more at ease with telling Miller to fuck off. Curbelo, Trent, and Plummer on a 3G could be fun, particularly if one of the 4 candidate makes a big leap.
Also totally okay being the school in the midwest Puerto Ricans want to go to. 200k in the Chicago area and the stateside diaspora has doubled in the last 30 years. Almost as good as us recruiting Indiana at this point.
It will be interesting for sure. I like the increased versatility with the threeball more of a feature. If Hutcherson earns a starting spot at the 4 and is a contributor, we will have a lot of decent options.
Looks like the remaining questions are:
1) If Kofi gives clear indication soon that he is gone do they pursue a Robbins or a Mitchell heavily?
2) Do we redshirt any of the 3 freshman wings? (Goode/RJ/Podz) since both DMW and Grandisson are coming back?
3) Does Storr RS or wait until 2022 to come?
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Looks like the remaining questions are:
1) If Kofi gives clear indication soon that he is gone do they pursue a Robbins or a Mitchell heavily?
https://www.anchorofgold.com/2021/4/12/22380381/former-minnesota-c-liam-robbins-transfers-to-vanderbilt
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https://www.anchorofgold.com/2021/4/12/22380381/former-minnesota-c-liam-robbins-transfers-to-vanderbilt
Missed that. Had heard they were the leader.
Well, it is slim pickings now......
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Apparently, Kofi is testing the NBA waters but leaving a possible return open.
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Apparently, Kofi is testing the NBA waters but leaving a possible return open.
Smart. I gotta think he'll be back if he actually listens to the feedback though.
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I guess it depends on where/how to best develop the skills he needs to stick on an NBA roster.
Hope for the best for him no matter what route he chooses.
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Well I must admit, I stand corrected. At least some of these kids have the balls to come back and fix this Loyola dog pile.
Only question remains is Kofi. If Kofi doesn’t come back should be fine. 2005 team had James Augustine manning the center and went 37-2. More than enough speed/athleticism and people that actually want to be here to compete next season. Color me surprised and one last thing. Yes, Fukk Adam Miller.
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I put Adam Miller right up there with Jereme Richmond and Eric Gordon. Already done hit the portal. Bon voyage.
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I would view Miller more like Kendrick Nunn. Thanks for the memories but what the fuck.
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I would view Miller more like Kendrick Nunn. Thanks for the memories but what the fuck.
Nunn was a lot better here and starts in the NBA which is one helluva accomplishment.
Seems to be trying to do some positive things off the court these days. Surprised me.
I am not convinced Miller ever even makes an NBA roster.
Pretty one dimensional so far and not a plus athlete or ball skills.
But who knows.
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Kofi declared for the draft yesterday, but Illini hoops site doesn't mention whether he is leaving his options open.
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Nunn was a lot better here and starts in the NBA which is one helluva accomplishment.
Seems to be trying to do some positive things off the court these days. Surprised me.
I am not convinced Miller ever even makes an NBA roster.
Pretty one dimensional so far and not a plus athlete or ball skills.
But who knows.
Miller is what, 6-2 in shoes with a 6'3 wingspan? Nunn was measured 6-2 1/2 In socks with a 6-7 wingspan.
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Kofi declared for the draft yesterday, but Illini hoops site doesn't mention whether he is leaving his options open.
It sounds like he has option to withdraw.
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-basketball-Kofi-Cockburn-declares-for-NBA-Draft-Illini-rankings-projection-expert-take-163647886
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Miller is what, 6-2 in shoes with a 6'3 wingspan? Nunn was measured 6-2 1/2 In socks with a 6-7 wingspan.
Kendrick had incredible quicks and is more of an all around athlete.
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It sounds like he has option to withdraw.
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-basketball-Kofi-Cockburn-declares-for-NBA-Draft-Illini-rankings-projection-expert-take-163647886
TY. Did you write the 'expert take' ?
JK.
Whatever Kofi decides, I hope it works out best for him but the staff needs to use Kofi's rise from a soccer player to a possible NBA pick in 5 years. Take Kofi's willingness to work and learn as a recruiting tool.
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Kofi’s development was one of the main reasons Jobu Payne wanted to come here.
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TY. Did you write the 'expert take' ?
JK.
Whatever Kofi decides, I hope it works out best for him but the staff needs to use Kofi's rise from a soccer player to a possible NBA pick in 5 years. Take Kofi's willingness to work and learn as a recruiting tool.
LOL. I think they are right. He is what he is and he is pretty damn good at what he does. I think he can improve his face up and passing. Footwork agility- not so much.
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Miller and his stupid hair can go elsewhere
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Kofi’s development was one of the main reasons Jobu Payne wanted to come here.
Jobu is pretty athletic kid. Have to admit it was good move to take a flyer on him.
Might just work out OK.
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Interesting read about Miller.
https://www.thechampaignroom.com/2021/4/19/22391475/2020-21-player-review-adam-miller-illinois-fighting-illini-basketball-brad-underwood?fbclid=IwAR1gA1BEiHkJqnKIVEfnUrJ7g3qrTVDQrW2FEZheoMdu0mpDTANXur4hNao
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Interesting read about Miller.
https://www.thechampaignroom.com/2021/4/19/22391475/2020-21-player-review-adam-miller-illinois-fighting-illini-basketball-brad-underwood?fbclid=IwAR1gA1BEiHkJqnKIVEfnUrJ7g3qrTVDQrW2FEZheoMdu0mpDTANXur4hNao
I’d agree that Miller didn’t look like a top-30 player, but I think this is too harsh. I doubt Underwood didn’t want to recruit Miller, even a little bit. There is a lot of talent there. I have trouble seeing Miller as an NBA player, but he has the look of a really good college player to me.
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I’d agree that Miller didn’t look like a top-30 player, but I think this is too harsh. I doubt Underwood didn’t want to recruit Miller, even a little bit. There is a lot of talent there. I have trouble seeing Miller as an NBA player, but he has the look of a really good college player to me.
The article had some decent info.
I tend to agree with you that he looked like a decent Top 75-100 guy with nice potential.
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The idea that Underwood didn't want to recruit Miller is nonsense. And for that matter, he's reconning the Griffin recruitment.
Miller looked liked a good freshman playing second fiddle to an All-American playing Miller's natural position. He was better than Brandon Paul as a freshman and Paul was an all-conference level player who stuck in the league for a year.
He's not a 5-star or lottery pick and it's unfair to him to pretend otherwise.
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It’s times like these I really miss spark because he’d point out that Miller actually put up better numbers as a true freshman starting on a Top 3 team than most other players ranked in his range. He also did it playing against one of toughest schedules in the country.
That all said, he doesn’t appear to me to have the ceiling of a top 35-40 type kid. He’s small and not long, not a particularly good athlete and is a surprisingly poor ball handler for someone his size.
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It’s times like these I really miss spark because he’d point out that Miller actually put up better numbers as a true freshman starting on a Top 3 team than most other players ranked in his range. He also did it playing against one of toughest schedules in the country.
That all said, he doesn’t appear to me to have the ceiling of a top 35-40 type kid. He’s small and not long, not a particularly good athlete and is a surprisingly poor ball handler for someone his size.
Would be interested to see the numbers with him on the floor.
His shooting for 3 was decent, but not a big threat really. Only had 13 threes in last 11 games. (13/40 for 32%).
I think the surprising thing was as you stated- his lack of showing more game overall. His PER was 9.5.
Damonte was 15.1. Curbelo was 18. Grandison was 17.9. Frazier 12.5. etc.
Nobody made him stand in the corner and never attack closeouts. He just isn't good at it at this level yet at all.
Will improve I am sure.
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That all said, he doesn’t appear to me to have the ceiling of a top 35-40 type kid. He’s small and not long, not a particularly good athlete and is a surprisingly poor ball handler for someone his size.
This is spot on.
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It’s times like these I really miss spark because he’d point out that Miller actually put up better numbers as a true freshman starting on a Top 3 team than most other players ranked in his range. He also did it playing against one of toughest schedules in the country.
That all said, he doesn’t appear to me to have the ceiling of a top 35-40 type kid. He’s small and not long, not a particularly good athlete and is a surprisingly poor ball handler for someone his size.
Yes to all.
He looked much better than a 75-100 guy. I’d put him more around the 50-ish range based on most years. He was very ready to come in and contribute, but his ceiling is not super high.
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Yes to all.
He looked much better than a 75-100 guy. I’d put him more around the 50-ish range based on most years. He was very ready to come in and contribute, but his ceiling is not super high.
I would disagree. He was pretty over matched on defense and became Ok toward end of year. He could not really penetrate to dish or get his own shot, did not show he could really finish, did not really rebound.
You know - basketball player things.
He was strictly a catch and shoot guy who produced a little bit.
Take out that stat padding opening game scrimmage versus NC School for the Blind and he shot 31% from three for the year. 46/145.
He will get better in his career, but if you asked me without knowing his ranking I would say somewhere in the 75-150 range actually and a kid with potential as he developed some game.
We were better with other guys on the floor IMO. He got 26 mpg which was quite a bit more than he probably deserved.
All just my opinion which is not worth much. He will make some other team happy down the road if he develops I am sure.
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This isn’t new. Comprehension has been a problem of Rob’s since...always.
Hi Tempo!
Nice sig.
Hope all is well dude.
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Might want to start a “Coach Hulka Assistant Coach Openings” thread
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Might want to start a “Coach Hulka Assistant Coach Openings” thread
Ruh roh.
If Antigua leaves we are fucked.
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Ruh roh.
If Antigua leaves we are fucked.
.....how about all 3 of them?
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Dafuq?
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Dafuq?
Yeah pretty much. This is pretty F’d up
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Was Miller with the team at half of the spring game?
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Was Miller with the team at half of the spring game?
No, but EJ Liddell was at the game....
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Wtf is going on??
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Might want to start a “Coach Hulka Assistant Coach Openings” thread
They get busted for something or what
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No, but EJ Liddell was at the game....
Don't think I saw any of the assistants there, either.
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It’s kinda funny about Liddell as the ridiculous transfer rumor has been out there, but one of his best friends is on the football team. Keith Something. I don’t think there’s anything to it
Gentry might be the biggest threat to leave. Orlando likely getting a well deserved raise. Kansas came after Chin to replace Howard but sounds like they should be able to keep him. Some odd stuff going on though behind the scenes, pretty uncommon your entire staff would be flirting elsewhere after a season like that
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Hasn't Gentry followed Underwood pretty much...everywhere?
The only insider I have in college sports is from Gonzaga, and he said they were glad to be rid of him.
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Gentry might be the biggest threat to leave. Orlando likely getting a well deserved raise. Kansas came after Chin to replace Howard but sounds like they should be able to keep him. Some odd stuff going on though behind the scenes, pretty uncommon your entire staff would be flirting elsewhere after a season like that
Does not sound like Guenther Jr. has a role in this by pushing for a housecleaning (for whatever reason). Or does he?
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It’s kinda funny about Liddell as the ridiculous transfer rumor has been out there, but one of his best friends is on the football team. Keith Something. I don’t think there’s anything to it.
Keith Randolph Jr.
Best friend he went to high school with at Belleville. There’s nothing more than that. I just enjoy getting people riled up😂
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Hasn't Gentry followed Underwood pretty much...everywhere?
The only insider I have in college sports is from Gonzaga, and he said they were glad to be rid of him.
Gonzaga and Arizona both have reached out to him, as he has ties to both now
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Does not sound like Guenther Jr. has a role in this by pushing for a housecleaning (for whatever reason). Or does he?
No, def not. He only cleaned out Walker. But he probably should have come in with raises for the staff after the season and didn’t....calls came in to these guys and all of them at least listened
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I thought maybe someone was leaving to make room for Tre Mitchell’s mom’s boyfriend or whatever
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No, def not. He only cleaned out Walker. But he probably should have come in with raises for the staff after the season and didn’t....calls came in to these guys and all of them at least listened
JFC, is it amateur hour down there?
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I thought maybe someone was leaving to make room for Tre Mitchell’s mom’s boyfriend or whatever
Yeah, that guy (Tony Bergeron) brings nothing else to the table. Isn’t getting any interest from what I understand
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JFC, is it amateur hour down there?
When hasn't it been amateur hour? [The Custard signal has been lit!]
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It’s kinda funny about Liddell as the ridiculous transfer rumor has been out there, but one of his best friends is on the football team. Keith Something. I don’t think there’s anything to it
Gentry might be the biggest threat to leave. Orlando likely getting a well deserved raise. Kansas came after Chin to replace Howard but sounds like they should be able to keep him. Some odd stuff going on though behind the scenes, pretty uncommon your entire staff would be flirting elsewhere after a season like that
A season like that like also makes your assistants attractive options elsewhere. Tommy Lloyd leaving Zaga for Zona creates openings both places. If they called Gentry the lead assistant or associate hc or something it would look less like a lateral move.
Natural that Chin would be a candidate to replace Snacks. Makes sense to listen to a KU, but that ruling is pending.
Lots of speculation about UK paying OA huge dollars to return, but they don't have an opening.
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AZ a mess too. Besides NCAA issues, former players are angry with the way Lloyd was hired.
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A season like that like also makes your assistants attractive options elsewhere. Tommy Lloyd leaving Zaga for Zona creates openings both places. If they called Gentry the lead assistant or associate hc or something it would look less like a lateral move.
Natural that Chin would be a candidate to replace Snacks. Makes sense to listen to a KU, but that ruling is pending.
Lots of speculation about UK paying OA huge dollars to return, but they don't have an opening.
https://www.aseaofblue.com/2021/3/11/22325868/orlando-antigua-uk-wildcats-basketball-recruiting-news-kentucky-illinois (https://www.aseaofblue.com/2021/3/11/22325868/orlando-antigua-uk-wildcats-basketball-recruiting-news-kentucky-illinois)
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When hasn't it been amateur hour? [The Custard signal has been lit!]
A few weeks ago everyone was complaining that Underwhelm/achiever and staff weren’t sustaining any momentum, and we were on the cusp of being back to a bubble team or worse.
Now we are cussing Whitman because he didn’t pony up and pay the assistants more in the wake of one of the program’s most embarrassing tourney flameouts?
I actually would have been more than ok with having given those guys a raise after a historically good season (by Illinois standards) with a team they built. But it was a tough recruiting cycle and I think we all can admit things weren’t looking so hot a few weeks ago. So it may not have been received particularly well.
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A few weeks ago everyone was complaining that Underwhelm/achiever and staff weren’t sustaining any momentum, and we were on the cusp of being back to a bubble team or worse.
Now we are cussing Whitman because he didn’t pony up and pay the assistants more in the wake of one of the program’s most embarrassing tourney flameouts?
I actually would have been more than ok with having given those guys a raise after a historically good season (by Illinois standards) with a team they built. But it was a tough recruiting cycle and I think we all can admit things weren’t looking so hot a few weeks ago. So it may not have been received particularly well.
This post is almost Tempo-like in its conflation of relevant concepts.
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https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-basketball-Brad-Underwood-coaching-carousel-staff-turnover-Orlando-Antigua-Chin-Coleman-Stephen-Gentry-164417823/
Unless we pony up BIG $$$$ and make Orlando the highest paid non head coach in the land with a seriously huge buyout option, he will be gone. Our recruiting will fall squarely on Chin's head then....Gentry is the in game guy. I don't think Self has enough to lure Chin imo, especially with the lifetime contract and the ??? over the program in the past.
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This post is almost Tempo-like in its conflation of relevant concepts.
Thanks I felt the same way when I was composing it. The concept of “rational fanaticism” really sticks in my craw.
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Good stuff.
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https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-basketball-Brad-Underwood-coaching-carousel-staff-turnover-Orlando-Antigua-Chin-Coleman-Stephen-Gentry-164417823/
Unless we pony up BIG $$$$ and make Orlando the highest paid non head coach in the land with a seriously huge buyout option, he will be gone. Our recruiting will fall squarely on Chin's head then....Gentry is the in game guy. I don't think Self has enough to lure Chin imo, especially with the lifetime contract and the ??? over the program in the past.
Want to "build" on that momentum... ::)
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A few weeks ago everyone was complaining that Underwhelm/achiever and staff weren’t sustaining any momentum, and we were on the cusp of being back to a bubble team or worse.
Now we are cussing Whitman because he didn’t pony up and pay the assistants more in the wake of one of the program’s most embarrassing tourney flameouts?
I actually would have been more than ok with having given those guys a raise after a historically good season (by Illinois standards) with a team they built. But it was a tough recruiting cycle and I think we all can admit things weren’t looking so hot a few weeks ago. So it may not have been received particularly well.
Huh?
The ONLY way this program (or any program) has any sustainability is with recruiting. The coach 'em up theory is limited and pretty much bullshit. Talent wins unless you totally step on your dick as a coach.
We have all said to pay Antigua and Chin what they need to stay.
The recruiting is OK for incoming 2021 class. We are presently 27th in the nation. 4th in BT.
Not bad, not great. It will tide us over, but we will need a strong 2022 and 2023 class with a top PG, and some inside help.
It is clear that these assistants have brought in some higher level talent in past three years (Ayo, Kofi, Curbelo, Miller).
The biggest get for 2021 is a proven scorer in Plummer. And Payne fills a need for better or worse.
Nobody would have complained for one second about paying them.
What people didn't like was the shit in game coaching in the NCAA loss. If that was Gentry's role- then good riddance.
But Hulka is ultimately in charge in a game.
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https://www.aseaofblue.com/2021/3/11/22325868/orlando-antigua-uk-wildcats-basketball-recruiting-news-kentucky-illinois (https://www.aseaofblue.com/2021/3/11/22325868/orlando-antigua-uk-wildcats-basketball-recruiting-news-kentucky-illinois)
Read that. Mar 11, 2021
"To bring him on though that means that someone on staff would obviously have to leave in order to open that spot on the coaching staff."
"With Joel Justus aspiring to make the jump to a head coach, and Bruiser Flint potentially wanting to get back to being a head coach somewhere, it’s very plausible that a spot could open up if they find a good mid-major opportunity elsewhere."
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Read that. Mar 11, 2021
"To bring him on though that means that someone on staff would obviously have to leave in order to open that spot on the coaching staff."
"With Joel Justus aspiring to make the jump to a head coach, and Bruiser Flint potentially wanting to get back to being a head coach somewhere, it’s very plausible that a spot could open up if they find a good mid-major opportunity elsewhere."
Yeah, they assume if a spot opens up they can just pick up the phone and get him.
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https://twitter.com/verbalcommits/status/1384630013052526592?s=21
Hamlin now in the transfer portal. Looks like we’ll be adding someone else to the roster.
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Huh?
The ONLY way this program (or any program) has any sustainability is with recruiting. The coach 'em up theory is limited and pretty much bullshit. Talent wins unless you totally step on your dick as a coach.
We have all said to pay Antigua and Chin what they need to stay.
The recruiting is OK for incoming 2021 class. We are presently 27th in the nation. 4th in BT.
Not bad, not great. It will tide us over, but we will need a strong 2022 and 2023 class with a top PG, and some inside help.
It is clear that these assistants have brought in some higher level talent in past three years (Ayo, Kofi, Curbelo, Miller).
The biggest get for 2021 is a proven scorer in Plummer. And Payne fills a need for better or worse.
Nobody would have complained for one second about paying them.
What people didn't like was the shit in game coaching in the NCAA loss. If that was Gentry's role- then good riddance.
But Hulka is ultimately in charge in a game.
We will still have Curbelo for all 4 years and no one will wrestle the PG duties from the face of the ILLINI.
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https://twitter.com/verbalcommits/status/1384630013052526592?s=21
Hamlin now in the transfer portal. Looks like we’ll be adding someone else to the roster.
Samba Kane is available once again, transferring from San Fran... :P
Tre Mitchell, come on down?
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https://twitter.com/verbalcommits/status/1384630013052526592?s=21
Hamlin now in the transfer portal. Looks like we’ll be adding someone else to the roster.
Creaned?
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We will still have Curbelo for all 4 years and no one will wrestle the PG duties from the face of the ILLINI.
Curbelo will not be here 4 years.
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Curbelo will not be here 4 years.
Yeah if he has a good year, he might be gone after this upcoming year. So much potential. Scouts gotta be drooling over him.
Look at Curbelo, now back at Dee....
I’m a little high, but the dude is a badass and a future NBA HOFer.
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His ability to get to the rim and finish is special, but he needs to learn to shoot.
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Huh?
The ONLY way this program (or any program) has any sustainability is with recruiting. The coach 'em up theory is limited and pretty much bullshit. Talent wins unless you totally step on your dick as a coach.
We have all said to pay Antigua and Chin what they need to stay.
The recruiting is OK for incoming 2021 class. We are presently 27th in the nation. 4th in BT.
Not bad, not great. It will tide us over, but we will need a strong 2022 and 2023 class with a top PG, and some inside help.
It is clear that these assistants have brought in some higher level talent in past three years (Ayo, Kofi, Curbelo, Miller).
The biggest get for 2021 is a proven scorer in Plummer. And Payne fills a need for better or worse.
Nobody would have complained for one second about paying them.
What people didn't like was the shit in game coaching in the NCAA loss. If that was Gentry's role- then good riddance.
But Hulka is ultimately in charge in a game.
23 Hours ago in Wildcat Authority-24/7 article????
https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Article/assistant-coach-candidate-profile-stephen-gentry-164417328/
I realize they may run the gambut on all possibilities, just found this a little coincidental is all.
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Gambut is that telltale indentation between upper thigh and curvy posterior.
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u and i are right next to one another on a keyboard.
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u and i are right next to one another on a keyboard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h2jZtuRuic
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His ability to get to the rim and finish is special, but he needs to learn to shoot.
He knows.
He will get there.
https://twitter.com/foulyvalepr/status/1375866833463615500?s=19
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He shoots well from everywhere else I imagine he’ll get it. I do have to laugh at the half hearted effort of the “defender” in the flip though that was great
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It appears Chin Coleman and Orlando Antigua are both getting hired as assistants at Kentucky.
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It appears Chin Coleman and Orlando Antigua are both getting hired as assistants at Kentucky.
FFS.
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FFS.
And probably Adam Miller going with them.
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FFS.
That could be a real dick punch.
https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/thread-are-big-changes-coming-to-kentucky-basketball/
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<gulp>
....you can blow up that recruiting class too barring some late miracle
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LOL you just can't make this kind of shit up
one good season in the last 15 years and Kentucky starts to steal our shit
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Some funny shit
Check out Antigua’s Twitter page. It’s protected but his GPS coordinates are up and it’s Lexington lol
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Cursed.
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Lets just complete the curb stomping and leave us for dead and watch Curbelo and Plummer go down there.
I agree that the modest gets for 21 and 22 might be in play.
Also have to wonder about Jobu Payne. Not sure how binding his commitment is.
We are pretty fucked. Something is not right in the program under Whitman and Underwood.
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I don’t want to believe it but...we’re fucked.
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I think the Underwood part is okay.
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I think the Underwood part is okay.
I have to wonder if the staff assts. were butthurt about no pay raise discussion right away from Whitman.
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Original post edited and updated.
https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,265.0.html (https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,265.0.html)
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Did Guenther-lite screw the pooch again?
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Did Guenther-lite screw the pooch again?
probably, $hitman is always wasting money on the shitty football program instead of actually paying attention to basketball, just like his mentor FURG
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Roger Powell Jr is the go to replacement.
Oh and I also hear Sean and Archie Miller are available.....😂🤣🤷🏻♂️
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So Chin might be staying after all?
https://twitter.com/asethi03/status/1385032006866722817
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So Chin might be staying after all?
https://twitter.com/asethi03/status/1385032006866722817
Situation sounds pretty fluid.
This is crazy.
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It’ll be ok
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It’ll be ok
Maybe. Would be good to hear something official on Chin staying from legit news sources.
I am not necessarily a big Gentry fan, but Brad likes him around obviously. He sounds like he is getting and considering offers.
Of concern is the new recruits/transfers who were drawn by Antigua who might now be reconsidering (Bass, Melendez, Payne).
None of this can be considered really OK. This much uncertainty in the middle of roster rebuild is not a good thing.
Antigua had quite a recruiting network reach we have not seen here before. He is huge loss. Roger Powell or the remaining 2 guys do not even have the contacts or rep to get in the game for a Curbelo, or Kofi.
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No, it's not going to be okay.
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Actually, now that I think about it, "okay" is exactly what it's going to be.
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https://www.aseaofblue.com/2021/4/21/22353933/orlando-antigua-kentucky-wildcats-basketball-news-illinois-fighting-illini
https://www.si.com/college/illinois/basketball/report-illini-assistant-orlando-antigua-headed-back-to-john-calipari-staff-at-kentucky-april-21-2021
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It’ll be ok
Lol
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We sposed to double cup? As in double masks ?
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Well we will see what the staff is truly capable of now with OA leaving. PR pipeline gone? Poof?, Where will this leave us with any/all the recruits coming in signed or otherwise? God forbid Belo?
We better hit at least a double with the new hire, since OA was the home run.
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Well we will see what the staff is truly capable of now with OA leaving. PR pipeline gone? Poof?, Where will this leave us with any/all the recruits coming in signed or otherwise? God forbid Belo?
We better hit at least a double with the new hire, since OA was the home run.
Tampering involved with Fredrick from Iowa to Kentucky....OA starts under a possible cloud, like he left his last HC gig? Nothing will happen with this, found it ironic however.
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An assistant doesn't run an entire program, obviously OA was good at a very important part but he's not irreplaceable. We'll probably be fine depending on who we hire. Having assistants leave to go to better places isn't the worst thing in the world as it will help you attract good ones in the first place.
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Roger Powell Jr. your table is ready.
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An assistant doesn't run an entire program, obviously OA was good at a very important part but he's not irreplaceable. We'll probably be fine depending on who we hire. Having assistants leave to go to better places isn't the worst thing in the world as it will help you attract good ones in the first place.
Agree not end of world, but this guy is in top tier and we will not likely get anyone with the national and international contacts, and who also knows how to navigate the AAU recruiting cesspool.
It was critical for us to be able to recruit on larger geographic and international scale and not be held hostage to Chicago AAU guys especiallly.
Plus he had a serious major rep as a player and bigman coach.
Not sure if there was anything we could have done to be proactive, but it seems like were not playing bigtime ball here.
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Agree not end of world, but this guy is in top tier and we will not likely get anyone with the national and international contacts, and who also knows how to navigate the AAU recruiting cesspool.
It was critical for us to be able to recruit on larger geographic and international scale and not be held hostage to Chicago AAU guys especiallly.
Plus he had a serious major rep as a player and bigman coach.
Not sure if there was anything we could have done to be proactive, but it seems like were not playing bigtime ball here.
If those rumored numbers are right for Antigua, I don't blame us for 'not playing big time ball'. As long as he doesn't take Curbelo with him, I'm okay with not ponying up an absurd amount for Antigua.
Obviously it's possible the numbers are way off too.
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The guy he would be replacing is not one of the three assistants, so they still have to make some changes.
Lots of people were expecting a major disaster when Tony Yates left in 1983. His replacement, Jimmy Collins, did okay.
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If Curbelo and Kofi are playing for UK next year ...
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If those rumored numbers are right for Antigua, I don't blame us for 'not playing big time ball'. As long as he doesn't take Curbelo with him, I'm okay with not ponying up an absurd amount for Antigua.
Obviously it's possible the numbers are way off too.
All valid, but I wonder if we made any proactive efforts. People may disagree, but I don't think Underwood was the thing attracting the top guys here, as we are just a decent second tier P5 program.
Nothing special about going to Illinois vs another non-elite P5 school. You need the relationships, your own cred, a history of getting guys to NBA, and national success to call upon. He checked all the boxes.
And yeah, we will fill the position(s) with qualified person(s), it just seemed like we finally seemed to have some developing momentum and visibility nationally.
Need to keep Coleman, and find a guy.
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https://goducks.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/mike-mennenga/3375
Rantoul native and helluva coach/recruiter. Lose both bring him and Powell Jr. in and I’d be cool with that.
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An assistant doesn't run an entire program, obviously OA was good at a very important part but he's not irreplaceable. We'll probably be fine depending on who we hire. Having assistants leave to go to better places isn't the worst thing in the world as it will help you attract good ones in the first place.
Lol
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And Tempo wonders why I’ve called him self-loathing.
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Lol
was what I said too spicy for you? :D
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If those rumored numbers are right for Antigua, I don't blame us for 'not playing big time ball'. As long as he doesn't take Curbelo with him, I'm okay with not ponying up an absurd amount for Antigua.
It worked out with Bill Self, right?
We lowballed, he bailed and we both won national championships and 15 straight conference titles.
And we still only have to pay our coach $635k annually.
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And Tempo wonders why I’ve called him self-loathing.
So practicing realism vs blind optimism makes one self-loathing?
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was what I said too spicy for you? :D
No, I just thought it was funny because you tried spinning losing a top assistant as a net positive, and while reading what you wrote I heard “it takes four years to capitalize on losing a top assistant” in my head.
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No, I just thought it was funny because you tried spinning losing a top assistant as a net positive, and while reading what you wrote I heard “it takes four years to capitalize on losing a top assistant” in my head.
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I wouldn't say its a net positive based on what I wrote, just not the end of the world like some are proclaiming
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It worked out with Bill Self, right?
We lowballed, he bailed and we both won national championships and 15 straight conference titles.
And we still only have to pay our coach $635k annually.
Rob-
What do we know about what we offered, when we offered, and what Kentucky offered?
I was just thinking this had a Self vibe to it........
I also recall the posts we exchanged several weeks ago to pay these guys and get them locked in.
It was pretty obvious people would come after them. But maybe we did all we could.
And we will move on.
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I wouldn't say its a net positive based on what I wrote, just not the end of the world like some are proclaiming
Good bagmen always easy to find?
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An assistant doesn't run an entire program, obviously OA was good at a very important part but he's not irreplaceable. We'll probably be fine depending on who we hire. Having assistants leave to go to better places isn't the worst thing in the world as it will help you attract good ones in the first place.
Remind me again how our replaceable assistants did recruiting wise, before our replaceable one OA came along? ???
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I would be okay with this guy...Roger Powell, would be great, but for our current pipeline...
https://mercerbears.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/juan-cardona/1557
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Who was Arizona’s bagman, and what is he doing right now?
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Good bagmen always easy to find?
Let me be the first to say let’s give Jay Price a call. I’ll bet he’s rested
and primed to get back in the game after 10 years of teaching HS chemistry or selling auto insurance or whatever it is he’s been doing.
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One of the interesting backstory items here is Chin and OA apparently can’t stand Gentry. And it’s a pretty big deal
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One of the interesting backstory items here is Chin and OA apparently can’t stand Gentry. And it’s a pretty big deal
Apparently not enough sharing of the juice boxes and team building frozen custard runs.
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They should have tried navy seal training to build camaraderie.
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Rob-
What do we know about what we offered, when we offered, and what Kentucky offered?
Here at 21:25
https://youtu.be/hqGl_B6Aenc
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I think we’ll be OK without Antigua, especially if Chin stays. But I think expectations have to be adjusted downward a little bit for the near future.
There’s a reason OA and Chin were sought after, they’re both really good at their jobs.
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One of the interesting backstory items here is Chin and OA apparently can’t stand Gentry. And it’s a pretty big deal
That's pretty similar to what I got from my Gonzaga buddy close to their program.
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I'd like to know the details. I've had almost zero interaction with him.
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Eastern Illinois pursuing Hamlin pretty hard.
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https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/1385360473235894273?s=21
Whitman is not fucking around. Willing to make OA the highest paid assistant in college bball.
Even if OA goes to Kentucky it shows other potential assistants and players that we’re not fucking around either and we’re willing to pay to be a big time program.
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https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/1385360473235894273?s=21
Whitman is not fucking around. Willing to make OA the highest paid assistant in college bball.
Even if OA goes to Kentucky it shows other potential assistants and players that we’re not fucking around either and we’re willing to pay to be a big time program.
$1MM a year. 4 years.
Now we are talking. And get rid of Gentry if nobody likes him.
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Glad to see Whitman making a real effort to keep Antigua. Agreed, if Gentry is a problem with the rest of the staff axe him, see if you can steal Roger Powell from Gonzaga. That would be be a really nice assistant staff.
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Whether or not Antigua comes back, I gotta hand it to Whitman (yes I did just call him Gunther-lite in another post, but I have to give props where it's due).
He's got the full court press on right now. Can't fault the man for that.
If it comes down to keeping OA/Chin or Gentry, well then.. see ya, Gentry and thank you for your service here
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It's a quandary. O knows how to get players, and Gent knows what to do with them.
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Who devised the game plan for Loyola?
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It was not a typical scout because of the quick turnaround.
But you'd have to think the blame goes to Brad anyhow.
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It's a quandary. O knows how to get players, and Gent knows what to do with them.
He certainly has experience on a a lot of staffs of note at D1 level.
I can't say I have a clear idea of what he did in roles as Dir of Operations, or Player Dev Director in previous jobs in other programs
which are not one of the 3 official assistants. He was an Asst at SFA.
This is his second Asst job. Others were of the other staff type.
I am guessing each program has variations of what these guys do. Technically, they can have a lot of guys in addition to the Assts impacting the program and player development.
Obviously Brad likes him around and respects him. How much influence he has over what we do on the court is something maybe Rob and others know better.
It ultimately falls on the Head Coach as CEO to lead program culture, make the final decisions about overall vision, systems, strategy and in game approaches and adjustments.
I actually thought we may have been better last year as a team.
I also thought that one of Underwood's son Tyler's friends had some analytics he had provided which led to the
ball pressure extended defense being scrapped for a version of packline. It was talked about constantly.
FWIW- Ok State had a terrible defense the year Underwood (and Gentry) were there. I am guessing they ported the SFA ball pressure mid major scheme to the B12.
It didn't work, and it didn't work in BT either the first two years.
All that said- I think we can replace what a Gentry brings.
Harder to replace what an Antigua or Chin brings.
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https://fightingillini.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/neel-ganta/1376
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https://fightingillini.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/neel-ganta/1376
Smart kid.
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https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-basketball-Brad-Underwood-coaching-carousel-staff-turnover-Orlando-Antigua-Chin-Coleman-Stephen-Gentry-164417823/
Unless we pony up BIG $$$$ and make Orlando the highest paid non head coach in the land with a seriously huge buyout option, he will be gone. Our recruiting will fall squarely on Chin's head then....Gentry is the in game guy. I don't think Self has enough to lure Chin imo, especially with the lifetime contract and the ??? over the program in the past.
Good to see my influence coming to light with Whitman and the major decisions for our basketball program. I knew he would come around and pony up to OA.... ;D, OA is a must keep, then Chin, then Gentry in that order, no exception. The program is to steeped in the PR pipeline right now, losing OA would set us back another 5-10 years imo. Keeping OA, losing Chin would set us back somewhat, mostly in the eyes of Chicago, however as we all know the recruiting favor for the ILLINI is up and down yearly there. Keeping both and losing Gentry is the bes case scenario, as the in game and prep scouting plans can be done by another. In fact bring back Dee and let him learn from all 3.
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Who knew Puerto Rico was such a college basketball recruiting hotbed?
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Orlando Antigua?
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Good to see my influence coming to light with Whitman and the major decisions for our basketball program. I knew he would come around and pony up to OA.... ;D, OA is a must keep, then Chin, then Gentry in that order, no exception. The program is to steeped in the PR pipeline right now, losing OA would set us back another 5-10 years imo. Keeping OA, losing Chin would set us back somewhat, mostly in the eyes of Chicago, however as we all know the recruiting favor for the ILLINI is up and down yearly there. Keeping both and losing Gentry is the bes case scenario, as the in game and prep scouting plans can be done by another. In fact bring back Dee and let him learn from all 3.
Dee is not coming back. He had some boundary issues on a recruiting visit, or with a boosters wife, I forget.
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Orlando Antigua?
Apparently. Maybe Michael Lewis will write a book about him.
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It's awfully quiet today. Too quiet.
It's a Friday.
It is customary to release bad news on a Friday late to stay out of news cycle.
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It's awfully quiet today. Too quiet.
It's a Friday.
It is customary to release bad news on a Friday late to stay out of news cycle.
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/5F7hZM95A8x7G/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47qzccgl6kfdy5893acadww6kyev5jxye636f0kg7a&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
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Lol.
;D
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Lol.
;D
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/64468261.jpg
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Who devised the game plan for Loyola?
Dustin Ford :D
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Seems to be a little poll going on the KSB site.
https://www.aseaofblue.com/2021/4/25/22401854/sunday-headlines-orlando-antigua-chin-coleman-edition
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Seems to be a little poll going on the KSB site.
https://www.aseaofblue.com/2021/4/25/22401854/sunday-headlines-orlando-antigua-chin-coleman-edition
I put my vote in for “neither” 😂
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Word on another board is we offered $1.5 million for 4 years.
Take it Fwiw.
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Dee is not coming back. He had some boundary issues on a recruiting visit, or with a boosters wife, I forget.
That gets forgiven over time (usually). I’d be surprised if Dee isn’t back someday. FTR the rumor is a booster’s wife.
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That gets forgiven over time (usually). I’d be surprised if Dee isn’t back someday. FTR the rumor is a booster’s wife.
.....I don’t think he will ever be allowed back.
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Well katy bar the door... Sounds like its going to get pretty bad. Both Coleman and Antigua are going to Kentucky. Hearing rumors they might be taking Kofi and Liddell with them. I haven't heard of any other players of yet.
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Surely they wouldn’t let us keep Curbelo?
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Well katy bar the door... Sounds like its going to get pretty bad. Both Coleman and Antigua are going to Kentucky. Hearing rumors they might be taking Kofi and Liddell with them. I haven't heard of any other players of yet.
This sounds like it is not going our way.
The Guy from Kentucky Sports Radio allegedly reporting this.
https://twitter.com/LaurenDanner_UK/status/1386690867713429506?s=20 (https://twitter.com/LaurenDanner_UK/status/1386690867713429506?s=20)
Another guys says no official announcements for a few days.
https://mobile.twitter.com/KyleTucker_ATH/status/1386679098097950726 (https://mobile.twitter.com/KyleTucker_ATH/status/1386679098097950726)
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Surely they wouldn’t let us keep Curbelo?
Yeah- got to think they brought him up. They badly need a point guard and Acepuppy is not a point guard.
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Well see you guys in 2037 if I’m still kickin
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Well, we have 13 guys right now and it is likely a tourney team and should be fun group to watch.
We have a head coach and his trusted buddy.
We have a decent 21 class coming in if it holds, and two guys for 22 who look pretty good.
We move on.
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Word on another board is we offered $1.5 million for 4 years.
Take it Fwiw.
thats head coach pay (if its per year? or is that total comp), I'm sure this will end well... lol
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thats head coach pay (if its per year? or is that total comp), I'm sure this will end well... lol
That is per year. He was already making $425K in 2018 and I believe they got all got bumped up in 2020.
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That is per year. He was already making $425K in 2018 and I believe they got all got bumped up in 2020.
wow that is an allegedly pretty insane offer thats roughly what Kansas paid bill self to poach him away from us 18 years ago, and now we're offering that to assistants? lol
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2003/apr/20/illinois_resigned_to/
Reports said Self will agree to a five-year deal worth as much as $1.5 million per season. His contract at Illinois pays him a $900,000-per-year base salary with annuities pushing it to $1 million. KU reportedly will have to pay Illinois a $500,000 buyout fee for signing Self.
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You have such a bizarre view of what's sane.
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You have such a bizarre view of what's sane.
your opinion of me has zero worth, but keep trying, its cute
You're like that crazy person on scout who would try and zing everyone he didn't like, Teamwork Orange? Yeah that guy was super popular and fun to be around
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... because he too was insane.
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thats head coach pay (if its per year? or is that total comp), I'm sure this will end well... lol
Well I would say head coaching pay or not, pay up make him the highest assistant, with a crazy buyout policy. The ILLINI have suffered for far too long too not make this overture and keep the positive going.,
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Antigua never really struck me as someone who’d stuck around a place like C-U any longer than he had to. And I don’t think Josh allows him to fully utilize his bag of tricks.
With regards to Chin I certainly see the appeal of going to a blueblood and getting a pay raise but thought maybe he’d want to stay closer to Chicago.
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Bill & Jerrance demonstrated that proximity is overrated.
It's probably more fun to fly there anyhow.
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Bill Self and Jerrance Howard aren’t from Chicago. Coleman is a Chicago native and laid the foundation for his collegiate coaching career there.
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Oh. I guess that explains why they never get recruits from Chicago.
Thanks Dr. Science.
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Oh. I guess that explains why they never get recruits from Chicago.
Thanks Dr. Science.
So getting recruits is the only possible reason why someone who is from Chi-town might want to stay closer to home? You think you might have missed the point?
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Right this second it sounds like most likely Antigua stays and more likely than not Chin goes. If that were to happen, you need to fill the position with another African American
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Right this second it sounds like most likely Antigua stays and more likely than not Chin goes. If that were to happen, you need to fill the position with another African American
I’d much rather lose Chin than Antigua. So that sounds like good news. At least for now.
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I’d much rather lose Chin than Antigua. So that sounds like good news. At least for now.
I think Chin’s talents can be more easily replaced than Antigua’s, but it would be a real shame to lose either.
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Right this second it sounds like most likely Antigua stays and more likely than not Chin goes. If that were to happen, you need to fill the position with another African American
Wow.
Stay tuned.
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It’s kind of interesting Chin was brought on to be the ace Chicago recruiter (and bring Ayo with him) yet it’s looking like we won’t even have a Chicagoland kid anywhere near the rotation next year.
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It’s kind of interesting Chin was brought on to be the ace Chicago recruiter (and bring Ayo with him) yet it’s looking like we won’t even have a Chicagoland kid anywhere near the rotation next year.
well, he did bring Ayo so that was positive, I could care less if he leaves to be honest OA seems to be the only one who is actually good at development and recruiting
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Per 247- the recruits that Coleman has been given credit for are not exactly a murderer's row.
https://247sports.com/Coach/Chin-Coleman-1396/AllTimeRecruits/ (https://247sports.com/Coach/Chin-Coleman-1396/AllTimeRecruits/)
Of course, he no doubt had influence on the Ayo process which seemed to be a group effort.
I think that he was seen as of high value due to the Mac Irvin Fire coaching experience, his Chicago roots, and that he played in the offense that BU was supposedly running.
His credentials are good.
I think our guard development- if that is his forte has been OK. Some improvements by Ayo due to a lot of hard work, some incremental improvements by others.
I don't think anyone on staff- including Gentry, is an ace X and O guy.
People forget that OK State had the 155th worst defense in country under BU and Gentry, and until we stopped the silly AAU scramble bullshit we were just bad defensively.
And of course, they had no plan B zone look to use when needed.
Maybe he has felt the message by all of the money being thrown at OA, that he is not as valued, and wants to move on.
Maybe just wants to move on. Maybe Gentry is not going anywhere and is like Underwood's Barney Fife and that is a big problem.
Who the heck knows at this point.
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Maybe he has felt the message by all of the money being thrown at OA, that he is not as valued, and wants to move on.
Who the heck knows at this point.
That seems to make a lot of sense.
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It’s kind of interesting Chin was brought on to be the ace Chicago recruiter (and bring Ayo with him) yet it’s looking like we won’t even have a Chicagoland kid anywhere near the rotation next year.
I actually think this is the program finally adapting to the longtime reality that the better Illinois players do not have an allegiance to Illinois.
That is why going regionally, nationally, and internationally is so important and why OA is so important.
I also think getting the better international and east coast city players get you more higher IQ players like Feliz and Curbelo, even a Giorgi.
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I actually think this is the program finally adapting to the longtime reality that the better Illinois players do not have an allegiance to Illinois.
That is why going regionally, nationally, and internationally is so important and why OA is so important.
I also think getting the better international and east coast city players get you more higher IQ players like Feliz and Curbelo, even a Giorgi.
The footprint if you will should be capitalize on the diversity which is the University of Illinois student populace and get the international players as we are currently and in the future. I have said for many years, the athletic 6-5/6-10 players, ala, Flying illini type of players, and the general recruiting of international players such as Gonzaga has built there program on is the only 2 ways to go with how the game has changed.
The Flying ILLINI class was well ahead of it's time in type of players, type of game, and of course the shorts also...which by the way the Fab 5 themselves...Webber and Rose specifically has attributted to taking the trend from them.
We desperately need those athletes and the international blend to make this program truly Tops in the land long term.
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I actually think this is the program finally adapting to the longtime reality that the better Illinois players do not have an allegiance to Illinois.
That is why going regionally, nationally, and internationally is so important and why OA is so important.
I also think getting the better international and east coast city players get you more higher IQ players like Feliz and Curbelo, even a Giorgi.
Worked really well for Joey Meyer at DePaul.
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KY people still claiming they are getting both guys
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KY people still claiming they are getting both guys
Is the info you are getting more real time or believed to be more accurate?
KY has been acting like this is done deal for several days.
If it was such a done deal, then why hasn't KY announced???
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Is the info you are getting more real time or believed to be more accurate?
KY has been acting like this is done deal for several days.
If it was such a done deal, then why hasn't KY announced???
probably because its off season click bait?
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Is the info you are getting more real time or believed to be more accurate?
KY has been acting like this is done deal for several days.
If it was such a done deal, then why hasn't KY announced???
I don’t believe the KY side. There’s always a chance guys tell both sides what they want to hear though. Id bet on Chin leaving right now. Antigua I’m not sure , that’s a ton of cash to stay put
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probably because its off season click bait?
Dunno. They have asst leaving for sure, so it is important for them I would think. Their fanbase is likely more involved than ours.
On a side note, we are paying OA $10k a week. We are not paying him to conduct a bidding war.
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I don’t believe the KY side. There’s always a chance guys tell both sides what they want to hear though. Id bet on Chin leaving right now. Antigua I’m not sure , that’s a ton of cash to stay put
Well, dragging this out isn't great, but the longer it goes the better for us I would think.
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It worked out with Bill Self, right?
We lowballed, he bailed and we both won national championships and 15 straight conference titles.
And we still only have to pay our coach $635k annually.
I mean, is it really worth putting together a substantive response to someone who just compared Orlando Antigua to Bill Self?
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I mean, is it really worth putting together a substantive response to someone who just compared Orlando Antigua to Bill Self?
Still subscribing to the Guenther newsletter?
The short answer is "yes."
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Spark has been en fuego when he does come back to.comment. Reminds me of Michael Kopech. That guy seems to have developed a real edge to himself since his injury and taking the COVID year off due to his "domestic issues"...
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I think we are doing the right thing here.
Otherwise we will remain a second tier p5 program trying to climb up the lobster barrel.
Michigan (and MSU) are both in Top 10 nationally in '21 and are ahead of others in recruiting in BT.
Michigan has #1 ranked class in nation added to whoever stays there.
We are 29th nationally in 2021 and that will be our on court ceiling range moving forward year in and year out unless we keep OA.
Luckily we have a Top 50 guy in Curbelo to run the show and some returning vets and transfers this year and we might surprise in 21-22 a little bit.
2022 has two 3 star guys- both who look like likely risers, but you do not make a living on guys outplaying their rankings.
Recruiting is going to be a crazy hybrid of HS and transfers moving forward. You need guys with a lot of contacts and relationships.
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https://247sports.com/college/kentucky/Article/Kentucky-basketball-coaching-staff-Orlando-Antigua-Chin-Coleman-164719509/
This KY writer very confident this is a done deal for OA, and likely Coleman.
See the comments section.
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https://247sports.com/college/kentucky/Article/Kentucky-basketball-coaching-staff-Orlando-Antigua-Chin-Coleman-164719509/
This KY writer very confident this is a done deal for OA, and likely Coleman.
See the comments section.
Why post it now, after all the internet rumors etc? Seems to me the university could be covering themselves as to say "Hey we posted this for everyone to apply"? But if that were the case, then why after the OA and Chin debacle? If anything, posting now seems to tell me they are not so sure anymore as they might have once been?
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I think we are doing the right thing here.
Otherwise we will remain a second tier p5 program trying to climb up the lobster barrel.
Michigan (and MSU) are both in Top 10 nationally in '21 and are ahead of others in recruiting in BT.
Michigan has #1 ranked class in nation added to whoever stays there.
We are 29th nationally in 2021 and that will be our on court ceiling range moving forward year in and year out unless we keep OA.
Luckily we have a Top 50 guy in Curbelo to run the show and some returning vets and transfers this year and we might surprise in 21-22 a little bit.
2022 has two 3 star guys- both who look like likely risers, but you do not make a living on guys outplaying their rankings.
Recruiting is going to be a crazy hybrid of HS and transfers moving forward. You need guys with a lot of contacts and relationships.
Rankings are like $$$, Anyone who coach's and says 5* guys aren't everything is the same as the person who states $$ isn't everything....maybe both are true, however, BOTH make life alot easier. In some cases 5* players = $$$ bills ya'll.
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Why post it now, after all the internet rumors etc? Seems to me the university could be covering themselves as to say "Hey we posted this for everyone to apply"? But if that were the case, then why after the OA and Chin debacle? If anything, posting now seems to tell me they are not so sure anymore as they might have once been?
I have to say I have no clue like a lot of things as to what is really going on. LOL.
If Breal says OA is possibly still in play- I believe him.
There are requirements at state funded universities to post open positions.
May be a formality.
May be they could not post it until the other guys had accepted jobs and resigned.
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I have to say I have no clue like a lot of things as to what is really going on. LOL.
If Breal says OA is possibly still in play- I believe him.
There are requirements at state funded universities to post open positions.
May be a formality.
May be they could not post it until the other guys had accepted jobs and resigned.
I agree with the fact that job openings are to be posted, I don't think it is just a state funded mandated thing anymore only either. If that were the case however should it not have been posted prior to all the rumors and conjecture in regards to OA or Chin or both being done deals?
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The unfortunate death of the UK player and the fact both assistants are on vacations impacted the timing. Id be surprised if by Friday night there wasn’t more known, at least on one of them
Illinois has started talks with replacement(s) and will be prepared for any scenario
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Illinois has started talks with replacement(s) and will be prepared for any scenario
The absence of leaks is impressive.
When Tony Yates took the Cinncinnati job, lots of people figured Lou Henson would be hurting. Then Jimmy Collins was as good or better in some ways.
Yes, losing them to lateral moves is not the same. And OA is a unique asset.
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The unfortunate death of the UK player and the fact both assistants are on vacations impacted the timing. Id be surprised if by Friday night there wasn’t more known, at least on one of them
Illinois has started talks with replacement(s) and will be prepared for any scenario
Possibly an ex head coach or two, joining us if ours leave?
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Still subscribing to the Guenther newsletter?
The short answer is "yes."
Nah, I subscribe to rationality. It was a ridiculous comparison to make.
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Self is basically Underwood and Coleman combined into one person so I think I'd agree with spark on that.
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Nah, I subscribe to rationality. It was a ridiculous comparison to make.
The absence of an argument, and your failure to produce any evidence in its furtherance, removes your contribution from that lofty categorization. There's nothing rational about a reactionary response.
It's a comparison of equal situations, almost mirroring each other. Two basketball coaches. Two athletic directors. One decision about money.
Guenther had idealistic fantasies about the business of Power 5 college sports. Whitman didn't act proactively, and found himself in the same position. His relationship with OA wasn't in the best shape to begin with.
That BU knew nothing about "performance bonuses" and "retention incentives" for his assistants, as late as April 19, shows that the program remains unprepared for prime time.
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Damonte's back
https://twitter.com/WCIA3Bret/status/1387528641060524032
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The absence of an argument, and your failure to produce any evidence in its furtherance, removes your contribution from that lofty categorization. There's nothing rational about a reactionary response.
It's a comparison of equal situations, almost mirroring each other. Two basketball coaches. Two athletic directors. One decision about money.
Guenther had idealistic fantasies about the business of Power 5 college sports. Whitman didn't act proactively, and found himself in the same position. His relationship with OA wasn't in the best shape to begin with.
That BU knew nothing about "performance bonuses" and "retention incentives" for his assistants, as late as April 19, shows that the program remains unprepared for prime time.
Hmmmmmmm. If that is accurate then we left the door ajar. We were done on March 21st unfortunately. Anybody could have surmised that OA and Chin would be attractive. I know people talk about Gentry being a crack strategist, but that is not evident really at all IMO.
I don't know about the relationship status between Whitman and the assistants. I am going to guess that
the working definition of the grey area of recruiting was a bit narrower under Whitman than what OA was used to.
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Damonte's back
https://twitter.com/WCIA3Bret/status/1387528641060524032
Cool. Hope he is getting his degree and he can help. He definitely doesn't take shit and can do some things.
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FWIW, there is a guy on the 247 board who presents as an insider insistent that OA is not going.
I guess we will know here soon.
Maybe we just lose Chin.
If Gentry is Hulka’s little binky then keep him I guess and tell him to play well with others and maybe read a book on Zone Defenses for Dummies.
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Antigua is gone unfortunately. Notified staff last night
Chin situation will be known by tomorrow
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I would not put money on Chin staying, unless Kentucky has a change of heart.
There’s a pretty intriguing list of candidates being thrown around. Losing Antigua undoubtedly sucks but I don’t think Coleman will be a big deal assuming he goes.
Will Bailey...this guy has been mentioned all week. South Carolina AC with Chicago/downstate ties. I believe there’s been contact and reciprocated interest
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/college/southcarolina/.amp/basketball/bailey-named-assistant
Menenga (Oregon) been mentioned a lot. Excellent recruiter with Illinois ties.
And this one is just odd to me considered what went down....but a Jamal Walker return
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Another name
Daniyal Robinson Iowa St
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I would not put money on Chin staying, unless Kentucky has a change of heart.
There’s a pretty intriguing list of candidates being thrown around. Losing Antigua undoubtedly sucks but I don’t think Coleman will be a big deal assuming he goes.
Will Bailey...this guy has been mentioned all week. South Carolina AC with Chicago/downstate ties. I believe there’s been contact and reciprocated interest
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/college/southcarolina/.amp/basketball/bailey-named-assistant
Menenga (Oregon) been mentioned a lot. Excellent recruiter with Illinois ties.
And this one is just odd to me considered what went down....but a Jamal Walker return
First two guys sound strong. When Walker left what were circumstances?
Will this impact Payne or Plummer?
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First two guys sound strong. When Walker left what were circumstances?
Will this impact Payne or Plummer?
All of the incoming players and their people were contacted and said they are still coming. That doesn’t mean that won’t change though.
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Great. I think it will be entertaining team and should make tourney.
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Why in God’s name would Walker be back? Why would we assume someone from Rantoul who had the opportunity to escape to Eugene Oregon even entertain the idea of coming back?
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Why in God’s name would Walker be back? Why would we assume someone from Rantoul who had the opportunity to escape to Eugene Oregon even entertain the idea of coming back?
I am probably missing something. Walker was pretty nondescript here in his years at Illinois. Recruited Black, JCL, and Colbert.
Was there some incident or bad blood when he left?
I do think we can do better than him.
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Why in God’s name would Walker be back? Why would we assume someone from Rantoul who had the opportunity to escape to Eugene Oregon even entertain the idea of coming back?
Salary. Based on what Illinois is offering he could double or even triple up
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I am probably missing something. Walker was pretty nondescript here in his years at Illinois. Recruited Black, JCL, and Colbert.
Was there some incident or bad blood when he left?
I do think we can do better than him.
Walker is at GCU. The interest might be one sided. Whitman would have to agree....
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Let’s bring gross back while we’re at it
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No thanks to Walker. The other 3 sound intriguing. I’d have to believe we can have our pick of just about any assistant we want in the country after what we have available $ wise.
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So here’s your all world ridiculous rumor. Sounds like something Walker himself would make up
Kofi returns (feedback has been very poor)
OSU doesn’t sign a C
Liddell, wanting no part of playing 5, comes to Illinois because of Walker relationship to solely play the 4 to showcase himself for the league
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So here’s your all world ridiculous rumor. Sounds like something Walker himself would make up
Kofi returns (feedback has been very poor)
OSU doesn’t sign a C
Liddell, wanting no part of playing 5, comes to Illinois because of Walker relationship to solely play the 4 to showcase himself for the league
Yes, please.
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I don't know the story behind Walker's 'demotion'. From the outside looking in, it looks like he was pushed aside into a made up position to make room for Gentry. That is logical based on the timing and might help explain the friction. Insiders hint he played too much in the gray and was punished by the AD.
Another thing is he really did not deliver much in the SL /Metro East area; which has been traditionally Illini friendly. To be fair, we were hurt by situations beyond Walker's control. SLU hired a cheater, Misery hired Cuonzo, Mark Smith's dad ...
Not necessarily Walker, but this could be a good time to hire someone with connections in that area.
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I don't know the story behind Walker's 'demotion'. From the outside looking in, it looks like he was pushed aside into a made up position to make room for Gentry. That is logical based on the timing and might help explain the friction. Insiders hint he played too much in the gray and was punished by the AD.
Another thing is he really did not deliver much in the SL /Metro East area; which has been traditionally Illini friendly. To be fair, we were hurt by situations beyond Walker's control. SLU hired a cheater, Misery hired Cuonzo, Mark Smith's dad ...
Not necessarily Walker, but this could be a good time to hire someone with connections in that area.
Bailey sounds like he would fit the bill. Was at SLU as an asst. Is from Chicago FWIW although we don't get much from them.
Have little insight on Walker activities in grey area. That is difficult part of the job for all of them at this level. Whitman is not stupid.
I am sure the Tilmon and Goodwin recruitments were interesting. Whitman was pretty fcking happy when we got Tillmon initially IIRC.
There is being in the grey and there is outright observable direct connection cheating. Plausible denial for staff and the institution being three steps removed is how you survive.
Hiring parents and AAU guys as staff and coaches is totally allowed as slimy as that seems.
I don't agree with gaming the rules necessarily and did not make them, but you have to play in that arena as long as the NCAA tries to still portray this somehow as amateur student athletics.
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Bailey sounds like he would fit the bill. Was at SLU as an asst. Is from Chicago FWIW although we don't get much from them.
He also played 2 seasons at Parkland from 1993-95.
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He also played 2 seasons at Parkland from 1993-95.
Actually good chance he had some involvement in the Goodwin recruitment to SLU under Ford.
None of these guys have the OA rep and reach, but I am sure we will get some decent replacements.
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So here’s your all world ridiculous rumor. Sounds like something Walker himself would make up
Kofi returns (feedback has been very poor)
OSU doesn’t sign a C
Liddell, wanting no part of playing 5, comes to Illinois because of Walker relationship to solely play the 4 to showcase himself for the league
Lolwut
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The 247 resident insider guru claims Chin is also gone and Adam Cohen and Armon Gates are the guys.
So cross those two off the list of candidates as he is never right. Lol.
I will say that the 247 board makes this board look pretty intelligent. Was thinking of joining for yucks, but too much stupid and when they argue they are whiny as fuck and worst of all they are not funny.
I also think they have moderators who moderate.
Custard deserves a lot of credit here.
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Meanwhile on Loyalty, Zentrails has proudly proclaimed that he couldn't name a single assistant who worked for Lou Henson, because it doesn't matter.
Congratulations Judy, you've been outstupided.
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Meanwhile on Loyalty, Zentrails has proudly proclaimed that he couldn't name a single assistant who worked for Lou Henson, because it doesn't matter.
Congratulations Judy, you've been outstupided.
About time! Does this mean I lost or I won?!
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The artistic/intelligent tend to find themselves in little enclaves because they can’t stand the rest of the world and vice versa
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Actually good chance he had some involvement in the Goodwin recruitment to SLU under Ford.
None of these guys have the OA rep and reach, but I am sure we will get some decent replacements.
I brought up Menenga before, and I actually think with our current recruits and future hopefully that PR connection would work out great. He may not have the OA cache, but he is known as a recruiter for sure.
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https://247sports.com/college/kentucky/Article/kentucky-basketball-coaching-staff-orlando-antigua-illinois-164814926/
Official per Piper?
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https://247sports.com/college/kentucky/Article/kentucky-basketball-coaching-staff-orlando-antigua-illinois-164814926/
Official per Piper?
He is crossed off list on original post in thread.
It's over.
There is also new Acepuppy gif up.
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Bailey sounds like he would fit the bill. Was at SLU as an asst. Is from Chicago FWIW although we don't get much from them.
Have little insight on Walker activities in grey area. That is difficult part of the job for all of them at this level. Whitman is not stupid.
I am sure the Tilmon and Goodwin recruitments were interesting. Whitman was pretty fcking happy when we got Tillmon initially IIRC.
There is being in the grey and there is outright observable direct connection cheating. Plausible denial for staff and the institution being three steps removed is how you survive.
Hiring parents and AAU guys as staff and coaches is totally allowed as slimy as that seems.
I don't agree with gaming the rules necessarily and did not make them, but you have to play in that arena as long as the NCAA tries to still portray this somehow as amateur student athletics.
If you know anything about how this shit works, there’s some easy crumbs to put together.
Example....a highly sought after foreign kid shows up to campus with somebody that’s his “mentor”. absolutely no geographic connections from player or Sensai yet after the visit a segment of the alumni/donor network knows months in advance he’s a “done deal” despite a particular school not having anything close to a history of suggesting a player like this would ever be a “done deal” to that school until he says it
I’ve said this a bunch of times in here...when they visit look for 1) what’s the shoe logo of the AAU team and 2) who is with him on the visit
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The 247 resident insider guru claims Chin is also gone and Adam Cohen and Armon Gates are the guys.
So cross those two off the list of candidates as he is never right. Lol.
I will say that the 247 board makes this board look pretty intelligent. Was thinking of joining for yucks, but too much stupid and when they argue they are whiny as fuck and worst of all they are not funny.
I also think they have moderators who moderate.
Custard deserves a lot of credit here.
Top 3 names still being mentioned are Mennenga, Bailey and Robinson. Theres a B list too ....I’d be pretty shocked if it included either of those 2 dudes.
Id think we should have Chin situation confirmed shortly, nothing sounds optimistic there
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If you know anything about how this shit works, there’s some easy crumbs to put together.
Example....a highly sought after foreign kid shows up to campus with somebody that’s his “mentor”. absolutely no geographic connections from player or Sensai yet after the visit a segment of the alumni/donor network knows months in advance he’s a “done deal” despite a particular school not having anything close to a history of suggesting a player like this would ever be a “done deal” to that school until he says it
I’ve said this a bunch of times in here...when they visit look for 1) what’s the shoe logo of the AAU team and 2) who is with him on the visit
There are certainly ways to get money directed to people and spread around without the university or staff being part of the transactions.
That is why when you see things like head coaches being involved in direct phone calls it is just sloppy and arrogant.
The simple fact that AAU clubs are nonprofits is an easy place to start. I have made donations myself to local inner city clubs for basic equipment when needed and to fix gym floors that were in need of repair. There is a good intent, but it creates a door for lots of other uses.
I also always marvel at the prep schools which are sometimes not even real campuses, and the tuition they charge is not cheap.
Somebody is paying those tuitions. LaLu is $50,400 a year.
Findlay Prep was started by a car dealer. No campus.
And, of course, as you note the shoe companies are huge players for the top kids.
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Top 3 names still being mentioned are Mennenga, Bailey and Robinson. Theres a B list too ....I’d be pretty shocked if it included either of those 2 dudes.
Id think we should have Chin situation confirmed shortly, nothing sounds optimistic there
I would think those three guys could all do a decent job.
Any word on Gentry????
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I would think those three guys could all do a decent job.
Any word on Gentry????
I’ve heard nothing on Gentry. I don’t think he’s very coveted and he certainly won’t be fired with 2 guys gone
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I’ve heard nothing on Gentry. I don’t think he’s very coveted and he certainly won’t be fired with 2 guys gone
.....it appears I spoke too soon. His old place of employment (Gonzaga) has some level of interest
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Easier gig.
They only play about 5 games a year that are competitive.
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Original post updated.
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Kofi up to #30 in latest draft, fluid of course....now that his name actually hit however, probably gone for sure. If that happens, absolutely no possible way we get a shot at Liddell. There seems to be some truth possibly to him and his family wanting him to move over to us?
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I would be very surprised if any NBA teams are telling Kofi he is first round pick.
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I found an NBA draft scouting report on report on Adam Miller. Compares him to Wesley Mathews. Says he is "A big (6-4) guard with a strong frame who can make plays on or off the ball"
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/adam-miller/
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I found an NBA draft scouting report on report on Adam Miller. Compares him to Wesley Mathews. Says he is "A big (6-4) guard with a strong frame who can make plays on or off the ball"
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/adam-miller/
Probably not a bad comparision really.
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AYO 20th. Kofi not drafted.
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
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I found an NBA draft scouting report on report on Adam Miller. Compares him to Wesley Mathews. Says he is "A big (6-4) guard with a strong frame who can make plays on or off the ball"
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/adam-miller/
Well, he is not 6'4". Has average frame and is pretty average athlete.
Cannot create his own shot or finish in traffic at all yet. No pullup. No floater.
Average handle at best. Has no idea how to attack closeouts. No breakdown and pass ability.
Average to below average defender with lack of height and length and average quickness.Did improve that somewhat.
Has not shown he can shoot the three off the dribble at all.
He was actually barely average from three as a spot up guy taking only wide open threes.
I can see him averaging 12-14 ppg if he gets a lot of shots at LSU (and would have done that here), but his game is simply pretty limited.
He has a lot of work to do to be in NBA conversation. Good luck to him, but he just needs to show some game.
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AYO 20th. Kofi not drafted.
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
Yeah- seeing Ayo in late first round discussions.
Not seeing Kofi. Maybe someone will signal they will take a flyer on him in second or as FA.
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Probably not a bad comparision really.
Too short/ small to be junior, not in seniors league. I am thinking a Dean Oliver upside, if he works hard.
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I would be very surprised if any NBA teams are telling Kofi he is first round pick.
Pretty sure he’s being told he won’t be drafted period. Odds of him coming back are increasing slowly
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Pretty sure he’s being told he won’t be drafted period. Odds of him coming back are increasing slowly
Well, if he can improve his passing, improve footwork, improve guarding in space and at elbow, and show any kind of face up game he can get a chance.
Question is doing that here, in G league or Europe.
If he comes back, I think we can be better than this year.
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Well, if he can improve his passing, improve footwork, improve guarding in space and at elbow, and show any kind of face up game he can get a chance.
Question is doing that here, in G league or Europe.
If he comes back, I think we can be better than this year.
If he comes back I definitely think we can be better than last year.
And he definitely isn’t getting drafted. 1st or 2nd round. I could see him playing overseas, but no NBA and really no G-League. The game has passed players like him by. If it was 20 years ago he’d be a #1 pick n the draft.
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Coleman gone, Kentucky
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Coleman gone, Kentucky
the usual suspects on twitter are quiet
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Original post updated.
Again.
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Original post updated.
Again.
Thanks that’s hilarious
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Did Gentry have a threesome with Chin and OA's wives or something?
Were things really that bad that our assistants decided it was better to fuck off outta here?
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Did Gentry have a threesome with Chin and OA's wives or something?
Were things really that bad that our assistants decided it was better to fuck off outta here?
Who knows. This is all pretty strange TBH.
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Situation is super weird and makes me wonder what's happened off the record.
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Situation is super weird and makes me wonder what's happened off the record.
It’s basically unheard of to have 2 assistants take lateral moves after a season like that. And both to the same spot might be unprecedented
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It’s basically unheard of to have 2 assistants take lateral moves after a season like that. And both to the same rspot might be unprecedented
Paging Smitty .
Hang a banner.
Who's next ? The asst coaches for Big10 champs men's golf and tennis ?
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UK's athletic director should make a run at those guys, just for the lulz.
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It’s basically unheard of to have 2 assistants take lateral moves after a season like that. And both to the same spot might be unprecedented
No way to view this, and rationalize it very easily.
The OA thing could have been understood with his Calipari history and the money.
Losing Chin also, after being offered huge raise, creates some questions about Whitman and/or Hulka and the program.
Might simply be the reality that KY is elite program and we will never be seen that way, and those gigs are simply better.
One could say it is not lateral moves I guess.
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It’s basically unheard of to have 2 assistants take lateral moves after a season like that. And both to the same spot might be unprecedented
UK is not a lateral move, thats a huge move up for an assistant
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UK is not a lateral move, thats a huge move up for an assistant
Well, I am sure that will be the narrative.
And it might very well be the main reason.
If there is more of a backstory it will come out.
Bottom line we need to get strong replacements in soon.
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Well, I am sure that will be the narrative.
And it might very well be the main reason.
If there is more of a backstory it will come out.
Bottom line we need to get strong replacements in soon.
its not an opinion man, its a fact that UK is a million times better basketball job than UIUC
the money, the tradition, the facilities, its all there, it is the blue blood job
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its not an opinion man, its a fact that UK is a million times better basketball job than UIUC
the money, the tradition, the facilities, its all there, it is the blue blood job
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LOL. You are right I think. They did basically announce they wanted theses guys and it was a done deal.
I think losing Chin is not that big of a deal.
Losing OA was big deal. He opened doors we had not been involved in for pretty much never.
The 2021-22 roster will have one Illinois player it appears. We had to move on from begging for an audience from Chicago and STL handlers.
If we do get an Illinois guy like Powell- we can't go back to a strictly provincial focus. Have to do both local and national/international.
Might also want to keep focus on Top 75-150 guys and keep them here 3-4 years. Try and do the Wisconsin model.
We will never be a one and done destination program.
Lets get Powell or Bailey or Mennenga and get to work.
And find out what the fck Gentry needs to do to not piss everybody off.
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Might also want to keep focus on Top 75-150 guys and keep them here 3-4 years. Try and do the Wisconsin model.
We will never be a one and done destination program.
Thats what Underwood was trying to do before this transfer madness set in, now he says he needs to rethink recruiting
college basketball really sucks sometimes, such a slimy shit show of a sport when it comes to team building
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Thats what Underwood was trying to do before this transfer madness set in, now he says he needs to rethink recruiting
college basketball really sucks sometimes, such a slimy shit show of a sport when it comes to team building
Well, as he noted getting a transfer might be preferable to a high level HS guy.
A transfer cannot transfer again without sitting out.
The Top 50 HS guys mostly all have baggage and handlers and attitudes as they have been coddled since grade school AAU.
Curbelo is different so far. Just plays. Handled not starting and getting yanked in some games to calm the fck down and came back better.
He clearly was a lot better than Miller- but just worked. Of course it did not maybe work so great with him and Ayo on floor together, but that is another story.
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Well, I am sure that will be the narrative.
And it might very well be the main reason.
If there is more of a backstory it will come out.
It depends on the back story. UK just lost 3 assistants in the last 8 months. The 2 still there are looking at demotions assuming OA and Chin are official.
They are coming off their worst season in decades. Talent is down, by their standards and they are losing players, not just to the NBA, but also to the portal. UK is a fucking mess.
Calipari traditionally recruits 5 star athletic talent. Reportedly wants to focus a little less on rank and more on skilled basketball players as well as skill development. OA is the perfect fit and has a long relationship with Calipari.
Both UK and Cal have a long history of serious cheating. UI, OTOH, has been burnt by relatively minor violations.
Chicago talent has been down pretty much since Jabari and Okafor. The next few classes look really good though. Enter Chin. It could be a lot easier for him to get those guys into UK than UI. Both in terms of admissions and extras.
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LOL. You are right I think. They did basically announce they wanted theses guys and it was a done deal.
I think losing Chin is not that big of a deal.
Losing OA was big deal. He opened doors we had not been involved in for pretty much never.
The 2021-22 roster will have one Illinois player it appears. We had to move on from begging for an audience from Chicago and STL handlers.
If we do get an Illinois guy like Powell- we can't go back to a strictly provincial focus. Have to do both local and national/international.
Might also want to keep focus on Top 75-150 guys and keep them here 3-4 years. Try and do the Wisconsin model.
We will never be a one and done destination program.
Lets get Powell or Bailey or Mennenga and get to work.
And find out what the fck Gentry needs to do to not piss everybody off.
Chin is replaceable imo, C-Town talent has been way down and quite frankly we haven't gotten alot of regardless of who has been here since J Collins.
Antigua will hurt, the PR pipeline was starting to get real.....the only coach I see being able to somewhat keep that going is Mennenga.
Gentry who the hell knows what is going on here, however, if we had to lose him there would be worse options than Bergeron imo, he has Mitchell (we think) and he also has the ties to AAU and the programs from being in Five Star B-Ball camps and he boasts assisting on getting over 500 players to the NBA?
Lets just get this official on all levels and move on....Underwood, Mennenga (although I am not sure why he would leave) and Bergeron with Mitchell, Powell without him (lateral move at best currently).
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I doubt they get Powell. Jmo
Id probably put a bet down on Frazier right now.
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I doubt they get Powell. Jmo
Id probably put a bet down on Frazier right now.
Not sure what we are thinking here. He worked for clownshoes for years who still adheres to try and keep it close MVC ball.
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Yikes
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Not sure what we are thinking here. He worked for clownshoes for years who still adheres to try and keep it close MVC ball.
....Im not understanding this Frazier thing. All the usual fluff is being said but where’s the results?
VT has a recruiting class that’s basically last place in conference
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I’d say that it has a lot to do with the circle jerk illini fans have for filling coaching positions with alumni whether they’re any good or not
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I’d say that it has a lot to do with the circle jerk illini fans have for filling coaching positions with alumni whether they’re any good or not
Yep
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I’d say that it has a lot to do with the circle jerk illini fans have for filling coaching positions with alumni whether they’re any good or not
Not just coaching positions if you look at our AD.
I'd rather hire Dee and roll the dice.
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I’d say that it has a lot to do with the circle jerk illini fans have for filling coaching positions with alumni whether they’re any good or not
They do not realize that most recruits do not care very much about any past Illinois player.
Whitman and Hulka need to assess what the vision and goals of the program are at this point. There seems to be a lack of a roadmap here. It can’t be easy at any P5 school these days.
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I'd guess Brad's roadmap takes him the hell out of here. Maybe a year from now, after Weber is finally shitcanned.
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I'd guess Brad's roadmap takes him the hell out of here. Maybe a year from now, after Weber is finally shitcanned.
You think he wants back in the B12?
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I'd guess Brad's roadmap takes him the hell out of here. Maybe a year from now, after Weber is finally shitcanned.
This would not surprise me.
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I have something close to zero opinions about the Big 12.
If the job takes some uncomfortable turns, take another. Start over.
Illinois basketball just changed dramatically for the worse. People on Loyalty are now separating into two camps which strongly resemble the WFFs versus the realists.
Maybe BU could find an OA-like replacement for OA. But someone at Bielfeldt is going to need to make this the kind of program where OA would feel comfortable, and want to stay.
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I’m still somewhat optimistic they are on a decent path. I think Cockburn is going to end up coming back and they likely retain most of the incoming guys which would buy them more time of relevance.
That’s really the key here....stay relevant short term and don’t fall off the cliff
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That is the challenge right now. We were working ourselves back into a consistent top 4 BT and Top 25 nationally program status.
We could then recruit consistently and occasionally might make a deep run.
Can't lose the trajectory now. They can make tourney next year with or without Kofi. Have to get assts that can be successful in recruiting. Does not even have to be Top 50 kids, but a steady diet of Top 100-150 players that stick around, good roster makeup, and some key transfers that want to win and showcase.
If you get it going you get a few Top 50 kids to sign on.
That is why the Loyola loss really hurt. Was a chance to market nationally for a couple weeks and cement our rebuilding program.
So, need to shoot higher than Chet Frazier types.
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UK is definitely a step up from UI (and just about everywhere else in the country, for that matter). Especially if you have head coaching aspirations, there’s probably no assistant job better than UK to get you there. Sucks to lose both of these guys, but losing OA is a much bigger loss.
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That is the challenge right now. We were working ourselves back into a consistent top 4 BT and Top 25 nationally program status.
We could then recruit consistently and occasionally might make a deep run.
Can't lose the trajectory now. They can make tourney next year with or without Kofi. Have to get assts that can be successful in recruiting. Does not even have to be Top 50 kids, but a steady diet of Top 100-150 players that stick around, good roster makeup, and some key transfers that want to win and showcase.
If you get it going you get a few Top 50 kids to sign on.
That is why the Loyola loss really hurt. Was a chance to market nationally for a couple weeks and cement our rebuilding program.
So, need to shoot higher than Chet Frazier types.
This.
Top 4 Big10. Top 25 nationally.
Look at Orlando. Now look at Chester.
On second thought, don't get side tracked.
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Hard to blame them really. A lot easier of a job when u can show up on kids doorstep at the last minute with a bag of $.
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We got an Irvin on staff finally.....
https://fightingillini.com/news/2021/5/4/womens-basketball-irvin-joins-fighting-illini-womens-basketball-staff.aspx
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UK is definitely a step up from UI (and just about everywhere else in the country, for that matter). Especially if you have head coaching aspirations, there’s probably no assistant job better than UK to get you there. Sucks to lose both of these guys, but losing OA is a much bigger loss.
Message boards are really all over the Chin coming to Kentucky...not overwhelmed to say the least. I honestly think he will be the first lamb if one is needed, then where?
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TBH things are a little too quiet on any word on Illinois acquiring replacements front.
Not sure what to make of that. Of the three top guys being mentioned (Mennenga, Bailey, Robinson), you would think somebody might jump by now.
Maybe they see it as lateral move and debating whether worth the change.
It's not like they are in bad situations or non P5 jobs.
Maybe the Mitchell thing is slowing things down, but why would Frazier even be in conversation.
I kind of agree that Powell may be a pipe dream. He is no doubt highly ethical and Gonzaga easily sells itself without having to get into the muck like the second tier programs like us, or even as much as the other bluebloods.
It's kind of a unique easy cleaner recruiting gig. Huge name recognition, auto high seed in NCAA, easy conference to put up numbers, Few seems like genuine nice guy, and they put some guys in NBA here and there.
I wonder if we are scrambling a bit here.
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Wouldn’t it be weird if we announced a hire before there was even an official opening?
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Wouldn’t it be weird if we announced a hire before there was even an official opening?
Hahaha. You mean like KY media and fanbase basically did a couple weeks ago?
It seems the official posting of these things is a formality.
We have to have been in talks with multiple guys for several days and doing parallel planning.
I hope.....
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Hahaha. You mean like KY media and fanbase basically did a couple weeks ago?
It seems the official posting of these things is a formality.
We have to have been in talks with multiple guys for several days and doing parallel planning.
I hope.....
Well Underwood did say something to the effect, that we are in a really good place. Not sure where/when this was, but I believe it has been during all the Chin/OA speculation. Makes me want to think that maybe we have a homerun type coming in like Prohm/Bergeron or something like this. At least I hope this is the case or the ILLINI just went backwards yet again.
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Why has no one mentioned Jeffrey Jordan? Remember all the recruiting success we had via the MJ connection? I'm sure we could duplicate that magical run with him on board.
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Well Underwood did say something to the effect, that we are in a really good place. Not sure where/when this was, but I believe it has been during all the Chin/OA speculation. Makes me want to think that maybe we have a homerun type coming in like Prohm/Bergeron or something like this. At least I hope this is the case or the ILLINI just went backwards yet again.
Bergeron is in no way whatsoever a “homerun” hire unless this is a 4 year old Tball league.
If you are looking for a big name here, you are going to almost certainly be disappointed. There’s a couple new names floating around and I have never heard of them in my life (which doesn’t mean they aren’t good). I will also be upping my Chester Frazier bet
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Chet should definitely move closer to his children's grandparents. That's an easy call.
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Chet should definitely move closer to his children's grandparents. That's an easy call.
And where would that be??
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Unless they left Saint Louis, Saint Louis.
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Bergeron is in no way whatsoever a “homerun” hire unless this is a 4 year old Tball league.
If you are looking for a big name here, you are going to almost certainly be disappointed. There’s a couple new names floating around and I have never heard of them in my life (which doesn’t mean they aren’t good). I will also be upping my Chester Frazier bet
Bergeron was a prep school journeyman coach with supposed nationally ranked teams but not sure at what level. Not sure what he offers other than Mitchell for a year.
Frazier was tough kid, and I am sure a hard worker. Not sure he can recruit at this level even Top 150 kids.
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I mean, he's been doing it for ten years ...
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Recruiting for Bruce Weber is an uphill battle for sure
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Bergeron was a prep school journeyman coach with supposed nationally ranked teams but not sure at what level. Not sure what he offers other than Mitchell for a year.
Frazier was tough kid, and I am sure a hard worker. Not sure he can recruit at this level even Top 150 kids.
Nobody wants Bergeron as a coach....
Whatever Illinois has brewing with Mitchell (and they do), it’s almost certainly not going to be *that*
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I mean, he's been doing it for ten years ...
Here is a list of his recruits all time.
https://247sports.com/Coach/Chester-Frazier-4174/AllTimeRecruits/
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Nobody wants Bergeron as a coach....
Whatever Illinois has brewing with Mitchell (and they do), it’s almost certainly not going to be *that*
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What am I an asshole?? He looks like a guy that knows some guys who find stuff that fell off of trucks.
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Here is a list of his recruits all time.
Don't be silly.
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Don't be silly.
How is that silly? I am not making this up. It is what he is credited for by 247 which keeps track of recruitments, leads on recruitments, and signings.
I am sure he is great guy, hard worker, and was a warrior on D on the the court.
I don't think he was particularly skilled other other than some tough on ball defense so guard development would be a stretch.
We have specific needs, just not sure he is what we want right now unless we are going for the loyalty to Illinois route.
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How is that silly? I am not making this up. It is what he is credited for by 247 which keeps track of recruitments, leads on recruitments, and signings.
I am sure he is great guy, hard worker, and was a warrior on D on the the court.
I don't think he was particularly skilled other other than some tough on ball defense so guard development would be a stretch.
We have specific needs, just not sure he is what we want right now unless we are going for the loyalty to Illinois route.
Chester has never really won a big recruitment. Does that mean he can’t? No, just means that...hasn’t been put on his resume yet
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Chet is only a good pick up if he's our number 3 guy. Like many have stated already on here, Chet could bring a major upside to the defensive development among our players, but I don't see how he can possibly impact with regards to recruiting. I don't see any evidence of it at VT.
Losing all 3 assistant coaches will cripple this program. The roster is all but on the verge of falling apart. Miller is already gone. Podz is now already signaling he wants out. I still don't see Kofi coming back when he can get the same development and more along with $$$ over in Europe even if doesn't get drafted. Why come back to Illinois?
Ask yourself this? Would it really surprise any of you if both Belo and Podz follow chin and Antigua down to Kentucky. They were both recruited hard by the each of them. And for all the talk about how Frazier and Damonte were all but out the door only for them in a blink of an eye decide to come back right before this mass exodus of coaches....
To me I think that maybe part of the reason for the frantic turn around on Frazier and Demonte returning was Underwood knows his roster is fucked and is in desperation mode and pleaded with them to come back.
My bet is there is much more known right now than what's being let out in regards to the stability of the program and what players are staying and which are not. None are going to make anything official until the coaches get set to where they are going. The door is still wide open for lots of time between now and then for these kids to decide that.
Looking back on a couple of interviews before those rumors of coaches leaving started you can notice Brad was panicked then during his interviews.
And if you go over on Loyalty its all sunshine and rainbows with 2022 championships already being discussed.
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Chet is only a good pick up if he's our number 3 guy. Like many have stated already on here, Chet could bring a major upside to the defensive development among our players, but I don't see how he can possibly impact with regards to recruiting. I don't see any evidence of it at VT.
Losing all 3 assistant coaches will cripple this program. The roster is all but on the verge of falling apart. Miller is already gone. Podz is now already signaling he wants out. I still don't see Kofi coming back when he can get the same development and more along with $$$ over in Europe even if doesn't get drafted. Why come back to Illinois?
Ask yourself this? Would it really surprise any of you if both Belo and Podz follow chin and Antigua down to Kentucky. They were both recruited hard by the each of them. And for all the talk about how Frazier and Damonte were all but out the door only for them in a blink of an eye decide to come back right before this mass exodus of coaches....
To me I think that maybe part of the reason for the frantic turn around on Frazier and Demonte returning was Underwood knows his roster is fucked and is in desperation mode and pleaded with them to come back.
My bet is there is much more known right now than what's being let out in regards to the stability of the program and what players are staying and which are not. None are going to make anything official until the coaches get set to where they are going. The door is still wide open for lots of time between now and then for these kids to decide that.
Looking back on a couple of interviews before those rumors of coaches leaving started you can notice Brad was panicked then during his interviews.
And if you go over on Loyalty its all sunshine and rainbows with 2022 championships already being discussed.
Oh, Jesus 🤦🏻♂️
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Chet is only a good pick up if he's our number 3 guy. Like many have stated already on here, Chet could bring a major upside to the defensive development among our players, but I don't see how he can possibly impact with regards to recruiting. I don't see any evidence of it at VT.
Losing all 3 assistant coaches will cripple this program. The roster is all but on the verge of falling apart. Miller is already gone. Podz is now already signaling he wants out. I still don't see Kofi coming back when he can get the same development and more along with $$$ over in Europe even if doesn't get drafted. Why come back to Illinois?
Ask yourself this? Would it really surprise any of you if both Belo and Podz follow chin and Antigua down to Kentucky. They were both recruited hard by the each of them. And for all the talk about how Frazier and Damonte were all but out the door only for them in a blink of an eye decide to come back right before this mass exodus of coaches....
To me I think that maybe part of the reason for the frantic turn around on Frazier and Demonte returning was Underwood knows his roster is fucked and is in desperation mode and pleaded with them to come back.
My bet is there is much more known right now than what's being let out in regards to the stability of the program and what players are staying and which are not. None are going to make anything official until the coaches get set to where they are going. The door is still wide open for lots of time between now and then for these kids to decide that.
Looking back on a couple of interviews before those rumors of coaches leaving started you can notice Brad was panicked then during his interviews.
And if you go over on Loyalty its all sunshine and rainbows with 2022 championships already being discussed.
No doubt this is an evolving situation.
I know it was stated that all the recruits and players were contacted and they are good, but I am guessing we lose one or more of the five '21/'22 recruits here.
Hopefully not any of the existing roster guys leave and the 2 transfers. If we can get some solid assistants and make tourney again we might be able to right the ship.
On the other hand as you note- we are in dangerous waters right now.
We need some decent news on the assistant front.
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Here is a list of his recruits all time.
https://247sports.com/Coach/Chester-Frazier-4174/AllTimeRecruits/
Chin's 247 list shows he recruited nobody for NE or UIC. Also missing Greg Eboigbodin and Ayo Dosunmu.
Those lists aren't accurate.
https://247sports.com/Coach/Chin-Coleman-1396/AllTimeRecruits/
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Chet is only a good pick up if he's our number 3 guy. Like many have stated already on here, Chet could bring a major upside to the defensive development among our players, but I don't see how he can possibly impact with regards to recruiting. I don't see any evidence of it at VT.
Losing all 3 assistant coaches will cripple this program. The roster is all but on the verge of falling apart. Miller is already gone. Podz is now already signaling he wants out. I still don't see Kofi coming back when he can get the same development and more along with $$$ over in Europe even if doesn't get drafted. Why come back to Illinois?
Ask yourself this? Would it really surprise any of you if both Belo and Podz follow chin and Antigua down to Kentucky. They were both recruited hard by the each of them. And for all the talk about how Frazier and Damonte were all but out the door only for them in a blink of an eye decide to come back right before this mass exodus of coaches....
To me I think that maybe part of the reason for the frantic turn around on Frazier and Demonte returning was Underwood knows his roster is fucked and is in desperation mode and pleaded with them to come back.
My bet is there is much more known right now than what's being let out in regards to the stability of the program and what players are staying and which are not. None are going to make anything official until the coaches get set to where they are going. The door is still wide open for lots of time between now and then for these kids to decide that.
Looking back on a couple of interviews before those rumors of coaches leaving started you can notice Brad was panicked then during his interviews.
And if you go over on Loyalty its all sunshine and rainbows with 2022 championships already being discussed.
Is this satire?
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Looking back on a couple of interviews before those rumors of coaches leaving started you can notice Brad was panicked then during his interviews.
Nah.
He shoulda been, tho.
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per Ked "RJ Melendez he will be on campus by June 15th"
https://t.co/ldEqZx3bJQ
https://twitter.com/KedPrince4/status/1389754190117974019?s=19
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Chin's 247 list shows he recruited nobody for NE or UIC. Also missing Greg Eboigbodin and Ayo Dosunmu.
Those lists aren't accurate.
https://247sports.com/Coach/Chin-Coleman-1396/AllTimeRecruits/
Not exactly sure how much Chin had to do with Ayo other than being a former Irvin Fire guy. I think when he came in the process was already moving along.
I am sure he helped. Same with Miller who was an Illinois target since 8th grade when he was in Peoria. Chin certainly couldn't manage his mother.
I don't think Ebo would be a resume builder. And I doubt he recruited any Top 150 guys at UIC.
As far as Chet- if the list is missing some known Top 150 recruits where he was lead- that would be a good thing.
Maybe we need to see what Sammy Maniscalco is doing these days.
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per Ked "RJ Melendez he will be on campus by June 15th"
https://t.co/ldEqZx3bJQ
https://twitter.com/KedPrince4/status/1389754190117974019?s=19
He looks like he might be a player.
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Bergeron was a prep school journeyman coach with supposed nationally ranked teams but not sure at what level. Not sure what he offers other than Mitchell for a year.
Frazier was tough kid, and I am sure a hard worker. Not sure he can recruit at this level even Top 150 kids.
Bergeron wouldn't be any different long term than Porter at Mizery? Good/Bad?
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I don't think Ebo would be a resume builder. .
Good thing he recruited Samba Kane and Brandon Lieb.
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Not exactly sure how much Chin had to do with Ayo other than being a former Irvin Fire guy. I think when he came in the process was already moving along.
I am sure he helped.
We'll never know whether Paris could've & would've delivered Ayo. He thought he could.
On the other hand, when he learned that Chin was in the mix for a job, he knew it was up for him.
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Frazier's resume is better than Chin's was when we hired him. The real objection is stink of the Weber connection?
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We'll never know whether Paris could've & would've delivered Ayo. He thought he could.
On the other hand, when he learned that Chin was in the mix for a job, he knew it was up for him.
Well, Ayo did get here and he delivered and no question staff and the team over the last three years deserve credit for getting us back on the map.
Just hope we can stay there.
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https://virginiatech.sportswar.com/mid/15427649/board/vtbasketball/
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So Frazier's a done deal then.
I want to get behind this but the Weber stink though...
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Yes, sounds like Chester Frazier is unofficially recruiting for Illinois until it can become official
And Gentry might not be very long for Champaign. I don’t know if Underwood can/will fire him, but if he finds a job....outta here
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Yes, sounds like Chester Frazier is unofficially recruiting for Illinois until it can become official
And Gentry might not be very long for Champaign. I don’t know if Underwood can/will fire him, but if he finds a job....outta here
You hearing anything about Geoff Alexander maybe getting promoted?
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Actually liking the Chester hire, and honestly think he will take OA spot....who fills the others at that point?
Tech message board seems to be worried about how they move forward losing CF?
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You hearing anything about Geoff Alexander maybe getting promoted?
Yup, would slide right into gentrys seat
This guy Sounds like quite an asshat. Even people outside the program don’t like him. Very surprised this was kept under the rug all year
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Actually liking the Chester hire, and honestly think he will take OA spot....who fills the others at that point?
I dont think so. They are talking to some more established guys to fill the other hole.
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Yup, would slide right into gentrys seat
This guy Sounds like quite an asshat. Even people outside the program don’t like him. Very surprised this was kept under the rug all year
If the Gentry hire swayed guys away, or at least made them listen to others, and that stunts our recent program success...who's shoulders does that fall on? Whitman or Wood?
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If the Gentry hire swayed guys away, or at least made them listen to others, and that stunts our recent program success...who's shoulders does that fall on? Whitman or Wood?
I don’t necessarily think he’s swayed guys away, those guys would have gone anyways. But he’s clearly an issue and not something you want new guys dealing with
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FYI "if" we are getting CF as an Associate Head Coach here...2022 Maryland rankings and players all uncommitted, 2 very good bigs.
https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=H&State=MD
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Van Macon SJU and Kimani Young are the 2 hot names right now.
Mennenga still getting mentioned but seems like that’s maybe not happening. Powell is out
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Yes, sounds like Chester Frazier is unofficially recruiting for Illinois until it can become official
And Gentry might not be very long for Champaign. I don’t know if Underwood can/will fire him, but if he finds a job....outta here
So is Gentry the reason n for the Chin and OA departures? And Underwood wants to fire him?
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Yes, sounds like Chester Frazier is unofficially recruiting for Illinois until it can become official
And Gentry might not be very long for Champaign. I don’t know if Underwood can/will fire him, but if he finds a job....outta here
well I know we don't have to worry about him being a lazy POS so thats good, I really hope he fucking kills it here
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Van Macon SJU and Kimani Young are the 2 hot names right now.
Mennenga still getting mentioned but seems like that’s maybe not happening. Powell is out
Both Macon or Young would keep us that connection with the NY scene, CF the Baltimore one and in state. I like Young as far as youth, Macon for connections in multiple stops. Mennenga purely the PR connection.
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So is Gentry the reason n for the Chin and OA departures? And Underwood wants to fire him?
Cant speak for Orlando but Coleman can’t stand him. Is that why he left? Probably not, I think he jumps anyways.
Underwood brought him here, it’s hard to fire him and not a very good look. Perfect scenario is he gets another job and problem solved.
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Actually liking the Chester hire, and honestly think he will take OA spot....who fills the others at that point?
Tech message board seems to be worried about how they move forward losing CF?
How in the fck will he take OA’s spot?
Chet hasn't recruited anyone of note in his career. He can’t easily point to guys he had a hand in bringing in that are well known, or he helped in getting to NBA.
He is kind of guy you might hire as a niche player development guy if you value his defensive mindset to have around and who will be loyal to the program.
You don't need to use him as one of the 3 assts who recruit. At best, he is your third guy if you have two other guys who can take the lead with that.
We have Gentry who apparently is a real pain in the ass Barney Fife for Hulka who we can’t fire and nobody wants.
We now better find someone who can really recruit their ass off.
Best to Chet, and hope he develops some relationships somewhere that help us, but not crazy about this hire.
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Both Young and Macon look good. Get them both if possible.
Good Experience, and solid records in recruiting.
Reassign Gentry to another role on staff and we are in good shape.
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We have Gentry who apparently is a real pain in the ass Barney Fife for Hulka who we can’t fire and nobody wants.
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You take that back.
And best of luck to Chester
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How in the fck will he take OA’s spot?
Chet hasn't recruited anyone of note in his career. He can’t easily point to guys he had a hand in bringing in that are well known, or he helped in getting to NBA.
He is kind of guy you might hire as a niche player development guy if you value his defensive mindset to have around and who will be loyal to the program.
You don't need to use him as one of the 3 assts who recruit. At best, he is your third guy if you have two other guys who can take the lead with that.
We have Gentry who apparently is a real pain in the ass Barney Fife for Hulka who we can’t fire and nobody wants.
We now better find someone who can really recruit their ass off.
Best to Chet, and hope he develops some relationships somewhere that help us, but not crazy about this hire.
Most of the VT Boards actually credit Frazier as being the main reason for any success and are surprised he hasn't been pegged for a HC gig somewhere already? He fits what we need, and he certainly is being linked to most if not all recruiting success at VT. He also has been mentioned as being more important to the program than the head coach presently.
I think he fits into OA role as Asst HC easily....the actual recruiting part of it....we will see, but I do agree with need to get an established recruiter on board as well. Hopefully Chester surprises us arm chair coaches. I think he will. I like the hire. I don't think the "3rd" guy on the bench carries any weight with recruits.
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Chester is your #2, not #3...#3 is going to be very likely either 1 last year of Gentnutz or Alexander
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No way to view this, and rationalize it very easily.
Losing Chin also, after being offered huge raise, creates some questions about Whitman and/or Hulka and the program.
You don’t say?
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Chester Frazier? FML
It wasn’t enough we had to suffer through 4 years of watching him play?
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Not just coaching positions if you look at our AD.
I'd rather hire Dee and roll the dice.
💯
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I dont think so. They are talking to some more established guys to fill the other hole.
What’s Jay Price doing these days? Wonder if they still have his number...
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Cant speak for Orlando but Coleman can’t stand him. Is that why he left? Probably not, I think he jumps anyways.
Underwood brought him here, it’s hard to fire him and not a very good look. Perfect scenario is he gets another job and problem solved.
Any inkling as to why Gentry is unliked?
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Chester is your #2, not #3...#3 is going to be very likely either 1 last year of Gentnutz or Alexander
That is the issue. They now have to land an absolute ace recruiter for the other spot as we can't get rid of Barney Fife.
We lost one national recruiter with major rep and cred, and a second recruiter who could get in the door in Chicago at least and claim he got and developed an AA and NBA guy.
Chet will start from scratch and get little play in Chicago or StL, and had no pipeline from KSU or VT from anywhere.
The next guy needs to be really good or we are relying on the vast charisma of Hulka, and pretty much back to Weber level approach of trying to wow farmboys.
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That is the issue. They now have to land an absolute ace recruiter for the other spot as we can't get rid of Barney Fife.
We lost one national recruiter with major rep and cred, and a second recruiter who could get in the door in Chicago at least and claim he got and developed an AA and NBA guy.
Chet will start from scratch and get little play in Chicago or StL, and had no pipeline from KSU or VT from anywhere.
The next guy needs to be really good or we are relying on the vast charisma of Hulka, and pretty much back to Weber level approach of trying to wow farmboys.
Things are looking up.
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Most of the VT Boards actually credit Frazier as being the main reason for any success and are surprised he hasn't been pegged for a HC gig somewhere already? He fits what we need, and he certainly is being linked to most if not all recruiting success at VT. He also has been mentioned as being more important to the program than the head coach presently.
I think he fits into OA role as Asst HC easily....the actual recruiting part of it....we will see, but I do agree with need to get an established recruiter on board as well. Hopefully Chester surprises us arm chair coaches. I think he will. I like the hire. I don't think the "3rd" guy on the bench carries any weight with recruits.
I had my suspicions, but didn't want to say it, but the algorithm here says Mammydork.
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Chester Frazier? FML
It wasn’t enough we had to suffer through 4 years of watching him play?
hot take alert
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What’s Jay Price doing these days? Wonder if they still have his number...
probably still sucking farts out of car seats
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I’m fine with Frazier as the 2nd guy if we get a stud first guy. Frazier has an objectively better resume than Chin did coming in.
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I’m fine with Frazier as the 2nd guy if we get a stud first guy. Frazier has an objectively better resume than Chin did coming in.
Was not a huge Chin fan, but he had a nice college career under a well respected coach, and the fact that he coached in the Irvin Fire system was his biggest calling card, of course.
Agree, Frazier likely has more high D1 experience in general. I am sure he will work hard, will be a team player, and we don't have to worry about him banging a booster, or being caught as a bagman in a recruiting deal.
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I had my suspicions, but didn't want to say it, but the algorithm here says Mammydork.
Interesting theory. The Groce love has been missing though?
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Interesting theory. The Groce love has been missing though?
True.
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I may have spoke too soon about not finding work for the strip club manager Bergeron
We’ll see what happens
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I may have spoke too soon about not finding work for the strip club manager Bergeron
We’ll see what happens
We gotta get Mitchell somehow...
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I may have spoke too soon about not finding work for the strip club manager Bergeron
We’ll see what happens
He can work with the yutes.
https://youtu.be/ZBk3dJNSQks
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https://fightingillini.com/news/2021/5/6/mens-basketball-frazier-hired-as-illinois-assistant-coach.aspx
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https://fightingillini.com/news/2021/5/6/mens-basketball-frazier-hired-as-illinois-assistant-coach.aspx
Congratulations and welcome.
I am sure he will give %110 everyday.
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I’ve absolutely never heard of the new guy
Al Pinkins
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I’ve absolutely never heard of the new guy
Al Pinkins
https://floridagators.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/al-pinkins/1209
I like. He has international connections as well.
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I’ve absolutely never heard of the new guy
Al Pinkins
Well, he has been around and has a lot of experience in 18 years. Not sure about recruiting chops, but he has been all over. Lol.
What happened to Bailey and Robinson??
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Jesus Loyalty is a repository of Dad jokes peppered with occasional bits of Illinois athletics. I’m so glad that there are people that bring the actual pertinent info here so I don’t have to wade through all the bullshit.
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Well, he has been around and has a lot of experience in 18 years. Not sure about recruiting chops, but he has been all over. Lol.
What happened to Bailey and Robinson??
I don’t know....
It’s this Al guy and/or Kimani Young
Gentnutz all but certain to be gone
Alexander stays, maybe gets promoted depending what happens
And this is where it gets weird....Nick Irvin maybe coming on as a non-recruiter. MIF pipeline is loaded in ‘23 n ‘24
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I don’t know....
It’s this Al guy and/or Kimani Young
Gentnutz all but certain to be gone
Alexander stays, maybe gets promoted depending what happens
And this is where it gets weird....Nick Irvin maybe coming on as a non-recruiter. MIF pipeline is loaded in ‘23 n ‘24
Holy shit! 😳
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I’ve absolutely never heard of the new guy
Al Pinkins
May be easy pickings....he really has no loyalty there and is only at Florida now due to another coach pegged before him going elsewhere. That may work in our favor if in fact he is one of the possibilities. I like that he has SEC ties all over and also some midwest ones...international ones never hurt.
Wood, Pinkins, Frazier....???
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I don’t know....
It’s this Al guy and/or Kimani Young
Gentnutz all but certain to be gone
Alexander stays, maybe gets promoted depending what happens
And this is where it gets weird....Nick Irvin maybe coming on as a non-recruiter. MIF pipeline is loaded in ‘23 n ‘24
Why would Irvin want to leave an assistant gig for a demotion when he could wait a year and possibly parlay it to an assistant's gig as a package deal with JJ Taylor?
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Why would Irvin want to leave an assistant gig for a demotion when he could wait a year and possibly parlay it to an assistant's gig as a package deal with JJ Taylor?
My guess is he is making around $100k at best at WIU. We can double or triple that now with plenty more to come later as he gets promoted.
That amount of money is nothing at Illinois to make him a support staff. We can have 10 video coordinators if we want I think. Only three designated assistant coaches though.
Also at WIU he cannot get the top CPL or in state kids in Illinois to come. He has gotten some second tier guys to come- (even a kid, Marcus Watson, who originally committed to Wake Forest who originally chose WF over Illinois/Chin Coleman).
I don't know all of the exact rules, but my guess is he would not be allowed to make official recruiting contacts off campus, but might be allowed to interact when recruits are on visits, either unofficial or official.
He might also be allowed to go watch HS and AAU games, but not interact with anyone. Anyone can buy a ticket.
I am sure someone else knows the exact rules better than me and the workarounds.
Bottom line- the players would know who Uncle Nick is and where to find him.
If we are considering the route of hiring handlers/family members/AAU guys- Nick Irvin makes a lot more sense than Tony Bagodonuts from da neighborhood.
It also means we are telling the college basketball world to GFY and do not ever fck with Illinois like this again. We are not your little bitch.
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My guess is he is making around $100k at best at WIU. We can double or triple that now with plenty more to come later as he gets promoted.
That amount of money is nothing at Illinois to make him a support staff. We can have 10 video coordinators if we want I think. Only three designated assistant coaches though.
Also at WIU he cannot get the top CPL or in state kids in Illinois to come. He has gotten some second tier guys to come- (even a kid, Marcus Watson, who originally committed to Wake Forest who originally chose WF over Illinois/Chin Coleman).
I don't know all of the exact rules, but my guess is he would not be allowed to make official recruiting contacts off campus, but might be allowed to interact when recruits are on visits, either unofficial or official.
He might also be allowed to go watch HS and AAU games, but not interact with anyone. Anyone can buy a ticket.
I am sure someone else knows the exact rules better than me and the workarounds.
Bottom line- the players would know who Uncle Nick is and where to find him.
If we are considering the route of hiring handlers/family members/AAU guys- Nick Irvin makes a lot more sense than Tony Bagodonuts from da neighborhood.
It also means we are telling the college basketball world to GFY and do not ever fck with Illinois like this again. We are not your little bitch.
👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼
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I should also say it will likely put us in the category of a program that others will bitch about and the NCAA will wish to watch status.
You think Iowa accuses us of cheating now......
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Why would Irvin want to leave an assistant gig for a demotion when he could wait a year and possibly parlay it to an assistant's gig as a package deal with JJ Taylor?
Salary would more than double
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I’m fine with Frazier as the 2nd guy if we get a stud first guy. Frazier has an objectively better resume than Chin did coming in.
I’d prefer no Weber stank on the program.
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I’d prefer no Weber stank on the program.
In that case, you should probably leave because you have a relationship to Weber.
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"It also means we are telling the college basketball world to GFY and do not ever fck with Illinois like this again. We are not your little bitch."
Thanks to everyone on the recovery info from the disasters of a week or so ago.
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I thought this was interesting
OA handled his departure very amicably. Actually spent time speaking
to current and incoming players to get them to feel comfortable staying. Gave Brad suggested candidates to speak to (Kimani Young and SJU guy) One of the main reasons he left...his wife no likey life in CU
Chin Coleman .....did not. Was checked out for weeks and not only stopped contacting recruits but maxi didn’t return calls. Pissed off Podz people big time and Storrs not happy either. Frazier got wind and got on it fast. They have history with him
WTF is this?
https://twitter.com/kysportsradio/status/1390361281815789570?s=21
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Chin Coleman .....did not. Was checked out for weeks and not only stopped contacting recruits but maxi didn’t return calls.
It's not likely to counter the viewpoint that his employment here was tied to Ayo.
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It's not likely to counter the viewpoint that his employment here was tied to Ayo.
Sounds like he was the Miller camp servant as well and didn’t deliver on promises
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I thought this was interesting
OA handled his departure very amicably. Actually spent time speaking
to current and incoming players to get them to feel comfortable staying. Gave Brad suggested candidates to speak to (Kimani Young and SJU guy) One of the main reasons he left...his wife no likey life in CU
Chin Coleman .....did not. Was checked out for weeks and not only stopped contacting recruits but maxi didn’t return calls. Pissed off Podz people big time and Storrs not happy either. Frazier got wind and got on it fast. They have history with him
WTF is this?
https://twitter.com/kysportsradio/status/1390361281815789570?s=21
Thanks for this. Have mad respect for OA.
Chin.....not so much. He can go fuck himself. I saw that video and about threw up. Awkward as fuck. He’ll be the first to go if Kentucky still sucks. We hire Nick Irvin and Chin ain’t getting shit from MIF. The whole reason he was hired in the first place.
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WTF is this?
https://twitter.com/kysportsradio/status/1390361281815789570?s=21
That was....weird? Made me uncomfortable.
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That was....weird? Made me uncomfortable.
A sweaty man mumbling about looking to service you ?
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How could you leave "with a lisp" out of that sentence?
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Is Chin married?!
And is it to a man or a woman?!
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Sounds like he was the Miller camp servant as well and didn’t deliver on promises
He certainly didn't handle Adam's mom or camp very well. Who knows what he promised them in terms of role.
That video was just fcking weird.
He has parlayed a fairly thin resume into a lot of money as long as he can keep the job.
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How/when did OA and Chin become a package deal? Were they linked prior to their time in Champaign?
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How/when did OA and Chin become a package deal? Were they linked prior to their time in Champaign?
I don’t think they were a package deal. Orlando likes him, preferred he come as he knows him. Did he need him? No
I have no idea why Kentucky wanted him outside of thinking he gets in with the upcoming Fire guys
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How/when did OA and Chin become a package deal? Were they linked prior to their time in Champaign?
I don't think so.
I think Coleman was viewed by KY as somebody else to pick up for his Fire contacts and, just because they are KY and can get what they want.
They will throw his ass to the curb easily if they need to.
I hope we play these mthrfckers in tourney and Chet can do the Eric Gordon chest bump on Chin after we beat them.
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I wouldn't recommend bumping Chin in the chest. He has an abnormally large chest.
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It did look big on the video. Looks like he has put on a few lbs.
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his wife no likey life in CU
Imbecile Judy probably kept fucking up the garbage pick up.
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As for the Nick Irvin discussions.
This has a heavy vibe to it.
Like we be goin down to the Crossroads.
https://youtu.be/X82jT_nwqaY
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Looks like he has put on a few lbs.
You wouldn't be able to see extra pounds in that video. But I don't think I can overstress the abnormality of his chest size.
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Imbecile Judy probably kept fucking up the garbage pick up.
You sure are one pussy bitch motherfucker that hides behind a keyboard.
And you seem obsessed with me. I probably make 3 times what you do. I wouldn’t even let you touch my garbage.
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Interesting theory. The Groce love has been missing though?
I stay outta this shit, but was thinking Nutt.
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You sure are one pussy bitch motherfucker that hides behind a keyboard.
And you seem obsessed with me. I probably make 3 times what you do. I wouldn’t even let you touch my garbage.
I think we're all impressed.
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I stay outta this shit, but was thinking Nutt.
Not enough exclamation points or Tinley Park/Milford references.
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Will there be some internal friction on the UK staff going forward?
Jai Lucas and Bruiser Flint came on together a couple years ago. Lucas came from Shaka's staff at TX and was named Recruiting Coordinator. Flint was poached from Archie at IU. To make room for OA and Chin, Bruiser got a "promotion." Also, irrespective of titles, I suspect OA will be in charge of 'cruitin'
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I wouldn’t even let you touch my garbage.
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Will there be some internal friction on the UK staff going forward?
Jai Lucas and Bruiser Flint came on together a couple years ago. Lucas came from Shaka's staff at TX and was named Recruiting Coordinator. Flint was poached from Archie at IU. To make room for OA and Chin, Bruiser got a "promotion." Also, irrespective of titles, I suspect OA will be in charge of 'cruitin'
Couldn’t be much worse than the 2020-21 Illini staff apparently
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Would Pinkins be a problem for Omar Payne?
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https://dullesdistrict.com/index.php/categories/virginia-tech/with-frazier-gone-hokies-need-to-make-another-big-hire
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You sure are one pussy bitch motherfucker that hides behind a keyboard.
And you seem obsessed with me. I probably make 3 times what you do. I wouldn’t even let you touch my garbage.
Come a long way since you were looking for jobs on HQ, I guess.
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Come a long way since you were looking for jobs on HQ, I guess.
Yes I have. That was the lowest point I’ve ever been in my life at that time. I’m a very humble person and normally very kind, but that fucking idiot ThePAMan seems to always have something to say and won’t shut the fuck up about me. He’s always making some snide ass remark and I’m sick of it.
Glad you found your way here and you’re back occasionally.
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Kimani Young has turned down Illinois.
And there are some concerning things coming up about this Florida fellow Pinkins. I guess Omar Paynes camp is not a fan and has nothing good to say about him.
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Well, Omar kind of has a few issues of his own.
Not sure he rises to the level having a say on anything yet.
Sooooooo, we got nothing right now other than Chet who is certainly a good guy, and Barney Fcking Fife with an attitude.
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Well, Omar kind of has a few issues of his own.
Not sure he rises to the level having a say on anything yet.
Sooooooo, we got nothing right now other than Chet who is certainly a good guy, and Barney Fcking Fife with an attitude.
Unconfirmed but Gentry to GU being reported
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So Barney gone. Probably a good thing.
You said they have internal guy they might move up?? What does he bring to table?
Is Bailey from SC still in picture? He looked pretty strong actually.
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Kimani Young has turned down Illinois.
And there are some concerning things coming up about this Florida fellow Pinkins. I guess Omar Paynes camp is not a fan and has nothing good to say about him.
Channeling Jim Rome: that’s sounds NIIIIICCCEEE.
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Well, Omar kind of has a few issues of his own.
Not sure he rises to the level having a say on anything yet.
Sooooooo, we got nothing right now other than Chet who is certainly a good guy, and Barney Fcking Fife with an attitude.
He has a say on where he goes to school and plays basketball.
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Would Pinkins be a problem for Omar Payne?
Sounds like that’s very possible.
I mean...kinda odd to bring in a Fla assistant knowing you got a guy that left Fla disgruntled
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So Barney gone. Probably a good thing.
You said they have internal guy they might move up?? What does he bring to table?
Is Bailey from SC still in picture? He looked pretty strong actually.
Geoff Alexander. The fluff is flowing down there and he sounds like the second coming of James Naismith
I wasn’t aware he existed until recently . I think Kofi likes him
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He has a say on where he goes to school and plays basketball.
Sure. But he is not even here yet, and his claim to fame after 2 years is he beat the living fck out of a Tennessee player and was suspended the rest of the year.
He may be right about Pinkins being a dick, but you kind of roll with it when you are the new guy and a bit player at this point.
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Geoff Alexander. The fluff is flowing down there and he sounds like the second coming of James Naismith
I wasn’t aware he existed until recently . I think Kofi likes him
I guess he is old buddies with Hulka.
https://fightingillini.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/geoff-alexander/1264
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Sure. But he is not even here yet, and his claim to fame after 2 years is he beat the living fck out of a Tennessee player and was suspended the rest of the year.
He may be right about Pinkins being a dick, but you kind of roll with it when you are the new guy and a bit player at this point.
Not sure if there is truth to the Payne/Pinkins rumor...according to this Gator article, "reunited" doesn't sound ominous at all?
https://www.gatorsports.com/story/basketball/2021/05/07/florida-gators-coach-mike-white-discusses-five-topics-interest/4993576001/
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I guess he is old buddies with Hulka.
https://fightingillini.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/geoff-alexander/1264
Also a prominent coach's kid IIRC and the 2nd best player on Cook's high school team so is probably networked with a ton of people.
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Also a prominent coach's kid IIRC and the 2nd best player on Cook's high school team so is probably networked with a ton of people.
Don't know how viable this list is, but he gets a mention here.
If Gentry is indeed gone we have two slots and one would guess Alexander gets one for contnuity.
https://www.news-gazette.com/sports/who-might-underwood-tap-next/article_251a0abf-4cf3-55f3-afb0-0cdd64dcf08b.html
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Don't know how viable this list is, but he gets a mention here.
If Gentry is indeed gone we have two slots and one would guess Alexander gets one for contnuity.
https://www.news-gazette.com/sports/who-might-underwood-tap-next/article_251a0abf-4cf3-55f3-afb0-0cdd64dcf08b.html
Believe it is official (Alexander promoted to replace Gentry). Alexander has some connections and is well liked I guess
So now there’s 1 main assistant left to make final and then a secondary non-recruiter to replace Alexander
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Believe it is official (Alexander promoted to replace Gentry). Alexander has some connections and is well liked I guess
So now there’s 1 main assistant left to make final and then a secondary non-recruiter to replace Alexander
I vote for Bailey as Asst.
And then get Irvin as non-recruiter recruiter.
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I vote for Bailey as Asst.
And then get Irvin as non-recruiter recruiter.
Still holding out hope for Mennenga....BU, Mennenga, Frazier, Alexander might be formidable. Mennenga for connections, Frazier for defense and player development, Alexander for offensive mind, throw Irvin in for the Chicago connection and all on campus meet/greets.
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I vote for Bailey as Asst.
And then get Irvin as non-recruiter recruiter.
I’m on board with this.
Don’t think there’s any way we get Mennenga from Oregon or Charlton Young from FSU.
Either Bailey or Pinkins are both solid hires if we get one. Sounds like possible drama with Payne if we get Pinkins, so I’m voting Bailey.
Nick Irvin is as the non-recruiter is the key. Could set us up huge going forward.
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Believe it is official (Alexander promoted to replace Gentry). Alexander has some connections and is well liked I guess
So now there’s 1 main assistant left to make final and then a secondary non-recruiter to replace Alexander
Alexander is well liked and has quite the history with BU....would be easy for him to slide into a position, add Frazier, and ???? we will see. Mennenga coaxed back to Rantoul would be nice, hope that might be enough, but I doubt it.
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Alexander is well liked and has quite the history with BU....would be easy for him to slide into a position, add Frazier, and ???? we will see. Mennenga coaxed back to Rantoul would be nice, hope that might be enough, but I doubt it.
Mennenga is not likely going anywhere. If there was any traction it would be out there.
I can't imagine Rantoul is an incentive.
We are onto Plan B's.
Powell, Young, Mennenga are not interested.
We, unfortunately, are maybe not even a lateral move in those cases.
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Rantoul isn't even there anymore.
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Rantoul isn't even there anymore.
True enough, it left shortly after I did... ;D
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Mennenga is not likely going anywhere. If there was any traction it would be out there.
I can't imagine Rantoul is an incentive.
We are onto Plan B's.
Powell, Young, Mennenga are not interested.
We, unfortunately, are maybe not even a lateral move in those cases.
Anyone speaking to Prohm?
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Anyone speaking to Prohm?
So you just kind of post whatever thoughts come into your mind, don't you?
He was making $2.4 million at Iowa State.
Give him a call.
Ask him about going winless in the conference.
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Anyone speaking to Prohm?
I actually heard there was contact a week or so back. Nothing came of it
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Mennenga is not likely going anywhere. If there was any traction it would be out there.
I can't imagine Rantoul is an incentive.
We are onto Plan B's.
Powell, Young, Mennenga are not interested.
We, unfortunately, are maybe not even a lateral move in those cases.
Powell didn’t want to do a lateral move.
No idea what happened with Mennenga Maybe Underwood didn’t like him when they talked. Perhaps they take another shot at Young but I think UCONN wants him to stay
Not sure about this Al fellow...
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I actually heard there was contact a week or so back. Nothing came of it
That would be one of the stupidest hires in history. A guy goes 0-18 in the B12, gets canned, and we were thinking of hiring him?
FFS.
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I actually heard there was contact a week or so back. Nothing came of it
Probably trying to find another HC gig or go announcing route. Would love to have him sit in with this staff though, even if only for a year or 2.
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That would be one of the stupidest hires in history. A guy goes 0-18 in the B12, gets canned, and we were thinking of hiring him?
FFS.
Situation can speak to alot of things, Prohm loss were mostly attributed to Covid related times and he is a .618 winning % coach overall. He also stopped Kansas home winning streak at Iowa State...so another plus.
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Powell didn’t want to do a lateral move.
No idea what happened with Mennenga Maybe Underwood didn’t like him when they talked. Perhaps they take another shot at Young but I think UCONN wants him to stay
Not sure about this Al fellow...
This thread indicates that White is an asshole, but Pinkins isn't interested in a lateral move to Illinois.
https://247sports.com/college/florida/Board/14/Contents/Mike-White-might-be-the-only-coach-on-the-basketball-team-soon-165144101/[url]][url]https://247sports.com/college/florida/Board/14/Contents/Mike-White-might-be-the-only-coach-on-the-basketball-team-soon-165144101/[url] (http://[url)
Who knows..
If the door is open to keep working on Young- he is your guy, but sounds unlikely.
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Situation can speak to alot of things, Prohm loss were mostly attributed to Covid related times and he is a .618 winning % coach overall. He also stopped Kansas home winning streak at Iowa State...so another plus.
What it speaks to is he did an absolute total shit job. Covid had nothing to do with it.
But, yeah, lets see if we can get him. Fanbase would be ecstatic.
Would be great on recruiting trail.
"Hello, this is Steve Prohm. In 2020-21 season I led ISU to an 0-18 conference record.
I think I can help you develop into a top B10 player. And IlliniChief thinks I'm really swell guy. "
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The Irvin to Illinois thing is still getting lots of talk. The fun part of that rumor is Bergeron replacing him at WIU and Illinois doing a deal to play WIU (that would lock up Mitchell )
Almost too silly to believe and almost too specific to dismiss.
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Sure. But he is not even here yet,
That was sort of my point. You seemed to miss it and not miss it at the same time.
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The Irvin to Illinois thing is still getting lots of talk. The fun part of that rumor is Bergeron replacing him at WIU and Illinois doing a deal to play WIU (that would lock up Mitchell )
Almost too silly to believe and almost too specific to dismiss.
Well, the game would be at Illinois. WIU would get a $100k or more guarantee to take a 50 point beating.
It would pay for most of Tony from da Neighborhood’s salary.
I can’t see it though. Mrs. Tony would have nowhere to shop. She likes nice things.
And he was making two fifty large at UMASS.
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That was sort of my point. You seemed to miss it and not miss it at the same time.
I think part of his probation agreement was he had to be in school or working.
Yeah, he could back out. Whatever.
The real question is if Pinkins is any good, a decent guy, and do we want him.
This third spot is important as neither Chet or Alexander have any real record of recruiting at high level.
They might do well. Couple of gym rats and Chet sounds like people like him.
But it would be good to get a recruiter with a network.
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Well, the game would be at Illinois. WIU would get a $100k or more guarantee to take a 50 point beating.
It would pay for most of Tony from da Neighborhood’s salary.
I can’t see it though. Mrs. Tony would have nowhere to shop. She likes nice things.
And he was making two fifty large at UMASS.
Fairly close proximity to QC and Peoria.
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No idea what happened with Mennenga Maybe Underwood didn’t like him when they talked.
He has his detractors. If you know where to poke. Even among the B1G fraternity
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Fairly close proximity to QC and Peoria.
I live in QC and work in Peoria.
Nothing here Mrs. Tony will like.
She is a classy broad. Likes real nice stuff.
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He has his detractors. If you know where to poke. Even among the B1G fraternity
Mennenga or Brad?
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Alan Huss?
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Guy from FLA is out. Not sure who said no
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So, who might be up next??
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So, who might be up next??
https://gocreighton.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/alan-huss/2915
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https://gocreighton.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/alan-huss/2915
He looks pretty good.
The LaLu experience is a plus.
Are we in talks with him at all??
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He looks pretty good.
The LaLu experience is a plus.
Are we in talks with him at all??
Loyalty lurker claims it is a done deal with a top assistant from a college starts with C.
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Loyalty lurker claims it is a done deal with a top assistant from a college starts with C.
He looks good, was a good player, has experience, has had good offensive teachers, has a network, and has recruited well in last couple years.
Pay the man.
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What it speaks to is he did an absolute total shit job. Covid had nothing to do with it.
But, yeah, lets see if we can get him. Fanbase would be ecstatic.
Would be great on recruiting trail.
"Hello, this is Steve Prohm. In 2020-21 season I led ISU to an 0-18 conference record.
I think I can help you develop into a top B10 player. And IlliniChief thinks I'm really swell guy. "
Well I am pretty sure Prohm can convince some teenage basketball players that the Covid year is not indicative of his coaching abilities in light of .618 winning % over career (including the shit job year), and be able to land recruits. I mean hell Counzo keeps doing it and well look there? Teenagers are gullible :P
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Well I am pretty sure Prohm can convince some teenage basketball players that the Covid year is not indicative of his coaching abilities in light of .618 winning % over career (including the shit job year), and be able to land recruits. I mean hell Counzo keeps doing it and well look there? Teenagers are gullible :P
Yeah- there are 350 D1 basketball schools.
They all had to play in the same Covid context, but his situation was no doubt different.
An empty fcking chair could have went 0-18.
Actually an empty chair would have one a couple games.
Look it up.
Tell me how many other P5 conference schools went winless.
It will give you something to do today.
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I had to ..........
The empty chair opened with a win over Arkansas-Pine Bluff.
Prohm lost the next 4, starting with South Dakota State.
The chair got the next game for a win vs Jackson State.
Prohm took over and went on an 18 game losing streak to end the season.
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Yeah- there are 350 D1 basketball schools.
They all had to play in the same Covid context, but his situation was no doubt different.
An empty fcking chair could have went 0-18.
Actually an empty chair would have one a couple games.
Look it up.
Tell me how many other P5 conference schools went winless.
It will give you something to do today.
Well they were 0-5 start was against Weber and then 4 Top 15 teams, before an indefinate pause to the program. They also had a permanent stoppage in play which in arguably the 2nd toughest conference....Prohm had a shitty talent pool (his fault in class recruiting somewhat)...either way prior to that season results, he was/is a legit coach/recruiter....we could do much worse.
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I had to ..........
The empty chair opened with a win over Arkansas-Pine Bluff.
Prohm lost the next 4, starting with South Dakota State.
The chair got the next game for a win vs Jackson State.
Prohm took over and went on an 18 game losing streak to end the season.
Prohm was still like 187-82 prior to the last 2 seasons at Iowa State, so anyone can bag on him, pretty sure he will have a gig again and win again. I still would have taken him on the bench with Underwood/Frazier/Alexander....think we would have been just fine.
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Iowa State was such a lose-lose job for him to take following golden boy.
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Yeah lot of noise on Huss now along with Irvin to the non-recruiting role
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Prohm was still like 187-82 prior to the last 2 seasons at Iowa State, so anyone can bag on him, pretty sure he will have a gig again and win again. I still would have taken him on the bench with Underwood/Frazier/Alexander....think we would have been just fine.
Start a hire Steve Prohm thread. Or maybe a Steve Prohm fan club.
Better yet, do another poll.
Steve Prohm
Empty Chair
Let's see who wins.
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I had to ..........
The empty chair opened with a win over Arkansas-Pine Bluff.
Prohm lost the next 4, starting with South Dakota State.
The chair got the next game for a win vs Jackson State.
Prohm took over and went on an 18 game losing streak to end the season.
👏👏👏👏
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Yeah lot of noise on Huss now along with Irvin to the non-recruiting role
This would work.
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Another name out there: Charlton Young from FSU.
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Another name out there: Charlton Young from FSU.
Yeah I mentioned him a couple days ago on here. He’s be a good get imo. His rep at FSU and recruiting is pretty good. Scotty Barnes.
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Start a hire Steve Prohm thread. Or maybe a Steve Prohm fan club.
Better yet, do another poll.
Steve Prohm
Empty Chair
Let's see who wins.
Hmmmm..... ??? Well at the end of the day, it won't matter much if we don't continue to get talent. It really doesn't matter who sits where if that doesn't happen.
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https://twitter.com/JeffNadu/status/1390050937486589954?s=19
https://twitter.com/MaxFeldman6/status/1391826798720204802?s=19
https://twitter.com/notbigten/status/1391814411917070340?s=19
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Pay the man. Close the deal.
Get to work.
Would be solid staff.
Add Irvin in some capacity and it could get interesting.
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I wouldn’t pencil him in just yet. Creighton is trying to keep him and this wouldn’t be the first guy to use Illinois in recent weeks for a raise. I know a lot of people are saying it’s done but I don’t think it is, imo
He’s also a Creighton alum and former player.
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I wouldn’t pencil him in just yet. Creighton is trying to keep him and this wouldn’t be the first guy to use Illinois in recent weeks for a raise. I know a lot of people are saying it’s done but I don’t think it is, imo
He’s also a Creighton alum and former player.
Agree we are going after some guys with a lot of success, ties, and in good programs and situations.
I like that we are looking to add a strong candidate for the last spot.
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I wouldn’t pencil him in just yet. Creighton is trying to keep him and this wouldn’t be the first guy to use Illinois in recent weeks for a raise. I know a lot of people are saying it’s done but I don’t think it is, imo
He’s also a Creighton alum and former player.
We're always treated like the side-bitch.
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We have been down for a long time.
Again- the early exit from tourney after a very good season hurt perception of the program upward trajectory which was fragile.
We are kind of at a crossroads. Seem to be doing what we can to keep the train on the tracks.
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Agree we are going after some guys with a lot of success, ties, and in good programs and situations.
I like that we are looking to add a strong candidate for the last spot.
We'll see if we get him, seems like area wise might work in our favor, but otherwise compared to his current position....well we might seem like a dumpster fire for AHC to be?
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https://twitter.com/notbigten/status/1391814411917070340?s=21
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Creighton bleeding talent after Greg McDermott's foot in mouth comment?
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Yeah, that was stupid as fck.
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If he stays at Creighton he’s probably an eventual HC candidate. I don’t know, maybe I’m way wrong but ...feel like I’ve seen this story before.
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If he stays at Creighton he’s probably an eventual HC candidate. I don’t know, maybe I’m way wrong but ...feel like I’ve seen this story before.
Yep
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If he stays at Creighton he’s probably an eventual HC candidate. I don’t know, maybe I’m way wrong but ...feel like I’ve seen this story before.
He does seem to be on that path.
If he came here they would come looking for him when McDermott leaves.
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....she’s a very nice lady
https://youtu.be/W-FOIVQDlDE
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(https://media3.giphy.com/media/18INdDgxyILWo/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47m3ctwu2iucyv7sleqwsrh0ahlgyeyvv05ew0dyj6&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
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....she’s a very nice lady
https://youtu.be/W-FOIVQDlDE
Wtf was that???
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He does seem to be on that path.
If he came here they would come looking for him when McDermott leaves.
Which is fine. Losing assistant coaches to better jobs is something that happens when your program is good.
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Which is fine. Losing assistant coaches to better jobs is something that happens when your program is good.
Agree. Not sure how secure McDermott's job is. Huss may wish to wait it out.
Probably his for the taking.
Of course what is happening here right now is not normal and not because we are a good program. It's a shitshow really.
We haven't seen a S16 in 16 years.
We have an average recruiting class coming in at best.
We can't get our top candidates we want for assistants.
Antigua left for his old gig at blue blood.
Coleman got lucky and rode one recruit to a payday. KY got played. Can't imagine he was in great demand. No great loss.
Nobody likes Gentry which begs the question why did they bring him on to begin with.
Losing all of them is not a good look. Probably part of reason we are 0-5 or whatever on our top picks.
If Huss came here then it might only be for a short stint.
Unless he took Hulka's place .....🤔
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Agree. Not sure how secure McDermott's job is. Huss may wish to wait it out.
Probably his for the taking.
If he came here then it might only be for a short stint.
Unless he took Hulka's place .....🤔
I'm behind on the HQ2 lingo. Which coach is Hulka?
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I'm behind on the HQ2 lingo. Which coach is Hulka?
Brad.
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Brad.
Oh. Yeah, I doubt that's gonna happen. :)
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Oh. Yeah, I doubt that's gonna happen. :)
Lol.
He is fine. We will have stability now with Chet and Alexander as they aren't going anywhere.
Get a decent third guy who can recruit a little bit we should be OK.
The Irvin thing adds another wrinkle. If it works could be good.
Also some risks of course and will be a lot egos to manage in and out of program.
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Lol.
He is fine. We will have stability now with Chet and Alexander as they aren't going anywhere.
Get a decent third guy who can recruit a little bit we should be OK.
The Irvin thing adds another wrinkle. If it works could be good.
Also some risks of course and will be a lot egos to manage in and out of program.
No more than we already had. Not like we didn't have a close MIF connection with the last staff.
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Chet has moved twice in three years, but he's not going anywhere?
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No more than we already had. Not like we didn't have a close MIF connection with the last staff.
We did. But having an Irvin on staff in house is another level and also creates more scrutiny of recruiting processes if we start landing more of the top guys.
And the MIF families themselves obviously have no allegiance to each other.
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Chet has moved twice in three years, but he's not going anywhere?
Well, maybe naive on my part, but one would think Chet has an allegiance to us and was a safer hire than others.
Alexander is from Lincoln and has been with Brad before here.
I think these guys are in it for awhile.
Its more than just another gig.
Could be wrong.
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Gonna send over Orlando Antigua’s wife to this Huss guys house if he doesn’t end this quick
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Gonna send over Orlando Antigua’s wife to this Huss guys house if he doesn’t end this quick
LOL. Seriously- WTF was that?
Looks like some child custody/visitation thing.
Orlando has his hands full. LOL.
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LOL. Seriously- WTF was that?
Looks like some child custody/visitation thing.
Orlando has his hands full. LOL.
"We got a Ring, too, bitch!"
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The flip side to Lkdog’s take is that after their worst season in ages, Kentucky is looking for answers, and is actually looking up at Illinois. They clearly DGAF how many years it’s been since IL made a round of 16 appearance. They do seem to GAF that those guys helped assemble one of the best teams in the country. And OA obviously had huge success there previously, having won a title.
After year one Brad and staff completely blew up the roster and managed to rebuild into a 1 seed that had the best record in B1G, won BTT, curb stomped Michigan in Crisler, etc. And many people forget this team looked pretty formidable going into the tourney in 2020.
Kentucky came after two of the architects of that success. And, being the objectively better job, were able to land them.
As noted, Chin wasn’t a big loss. He got us Ayo and helped with Miller which seemed to be all the stroke he had with MIF to begin with. And then he apparently lied to the Miller camp and completely napalmed that bridge to boot. How valuable is Coleman without the MIF juice? Frazier probably won’t be any worse and definitely could be better than post-Ayo Chin.
Gentry had an opportunity to return to his alma mater and coach with HOFer Mark Few. That aside, I’d also imagine it’s a much easier job considering about 70% of their annual schedule consists of cupcakes. He also apparently rubbed some people the wrong way here and his supposed forte—analytics and game planning—left a lot to be desired, so I’m not sure why it’s a bad look that he’s leaving. Moving Alexander into his role seems like a win-win to me.
Clearly the gaping hole here is what OA brought to the table and will be the most difficult (if not impossible) to fill. It looks like Josh and Brad are giving it their best shot and maybe that’s the best we can really ask for at this point.
Agree that from the outside looking in it doesn’t look good to lose three assistants in one offseason coming off our best team in well over a decade. But with a little digging it’s plainly evident why this has developed and not indicative that there’s something inherently wrong with Brad or the program or Josh, etc. And with the actual locker room problem headed to Spokane, there’s a real chance at a net improvement if they nail the final hire.
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Gonna send over Orlando Antigua’s wife to this Huss guys house if he doesn’t end this quick
McDermott only makes a reported $1.4 million.
Huss can't make more than $300-400K.
That tweet said we doubled his salary. We were willing to pay Chin $750K which was crazy.
Getting Huss for $600-700K would be a fcking steal.
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LOL. Seriously- WTF was that?
Looks like some child custody/visitation thing.
Orlando has his hands full. LOL.
....I have no idea. But it sure is pretty fucking weird.
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Here are more names that could be looked at considering they were rumored for Indiana a year ago...all with midwest ties...many with offensive minds (think along with Frazier known for defense). Speculation of course, but a couple on here with experience, might be options? We aren't going to get any "home-run big names imo".
https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/eight-assistant-coaching-candidates-that-could-fit-iu-basketballs-needs/
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The flip side to Lkdog’s take is that after their worst season in ages, Kentucky is looking for answers, and is actually looking up at Illinois. They clearly DGAF how many years it’s been since IL made a round of 16 appearance. They do seem to GAF that those guys helped assemble one of the best teams in the country. And OA obviously had huge success there previously, having won a title.
After year one Brad and staff completely blew up the roster and managed to rebuild into a 1 seed that had the best record in B1G, won BTT, curb stomped Michigan in Crisler, etc. And many people forget this team looked pretty formidable going into the tourney in 2020.
Kentucky came after two of the architects of that success. And, being the objectively better job, were able to land them.
As noted, Chin wasn’t a big loss. He got us Ayo and helped with Miller which seemed to be all the stroke he had with MIF to begin with. And then he apparently lied to the Miller camp and completely napalmed that bridge to boot. How valuable is Coleman without the MIF juice? Frazier probably won’t be any worse and definitely could be better than post-Ayo Chin.
Gentry had an opportunity to return to his alma mater and coach with HOFer Mark Few. That aside, I’d also imagine it’s a much easier job considering about 70% of their annual schedule consists of cupcakes. He also apparently rubbed some people the wrong way here and his supposed forte—analytics and game planning—left a lot to be desired, so I’m not sure why it’s a bad look that he’s leaving. Moving Alexander into his role seems like a win-win to me.
Clearly the gaping hole here is what OA brought to the table and will be the most difficult (if not impossible) to fill. It looks like Josh and Brad are giving it their best shot and maybe that’s the best we can really ask for at this point.
Agree that from the outside looking in it doesn’t look good to lose three assistants in one offseason coming off our best team in well over a decade. But with a little digging it’s plainly evident why this has developed and not indicative that there’s something inherently wrong with Brad or the program or Josh, etc. And with the actual locker room problem headed to Spokane, there’s a real chance at a net improvement if they nail the final hire.
It will turn out OK and we will be a reasonably competitive second tier P5 program.
We had one decent year and one good year with a total collapse in the tourney.
We have a total of 4 NCAA wins in 16 years, no S16s, and nobody gives a fck in the end about our conference. Kentucky has 4 NCAA Final Fours in that same time.
We turned out to be a hot team for a month, but not one of best teams in country and the BT was clearly grossly over rated which most of us thought all year.
I can tell you that the AAU guys and coaches I talk with think it does not look good as it drags out that none of our top picks want to come, and they are not fans of the Irvin hire if that happens, or the Tony from the Neighborhood bullshit.
These are guys who have put multiple starters in BT on several teams not named Illinois, had a BTPOY, Top 50 recruits, and have guys in NBA. And they would love to see Illinois get back to a top tier program like in early 2000s.
We are trying to compete with UM and MSU and Wisconsin and the top P5 school programs right now and have a long way to go.
So far- we have an decent legacy hire in Chet, and a local legend gym rat guy in Alexander for an assistant staff.
I think they will do OK as long as we get somebody who can help get top 100-150 guys that we develop along with a few transfers.
Should make the tourney next year no matter what, and maybe more often than not after that.
A Huss might give us a chance to get to the first tier over time.
But, Kentucky is not looking up at Illinois.
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Find it curious as to why Steve Merfield from Creighton hasn't been an option? He has the background, he is creditted with turning programs around, recruiting is there...Bradley ties, maybe an easier/better get than Huss who is at his alma mater?
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....I have no idea. But it sure is pretty fucking weird.
Crazy.
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....I have no idea. But it sure is pretty fucking weird.
some insane baby mama drama
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Presser in a little bit via zoom. Some people think there could be an announcement or more insight given during about where they stand
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Presser in a little bit via zoom. Some people think there could be an announcement or more insight given during about where they stand
quick Rob grab your mask and get on that call!
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quick Rob grab your mask and get on that call!
Better double mask it.
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Presser in a little bit via zoom. Some people think there could be an announcement or more insight given during about where they stand
Will be interesting to hear where things are at.
Have to give them credit that we are trying to problem solve here and willing to invest.
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Will be interesting to hear where things are at.
Have to give them credit that we are trying to problem solve here and willing to invest.
....or not at
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Maybe we will get a statement about the "We Got Ring,Too, Bitch" movie.
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....or not at
I mean, he did say he'd tell us when he figures it out. That's not nothing, right?
https://youtu.be/Sj3mByN3CN8
https://youtu.be/mhao_WzJibE
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Why not? What's wrong with that?
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I just hope Dr. Frazier doesn't have to pronounce someone else dead in a fucked up car in the middle of the cold, cold Champaign winter.
You are en fuego today.
I would advise that no one fck with you today.
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I mean, he did say he'd tell us when he figures it out. That's not nothing, right?
A lot of coach speak.
1) He loved Chet's chest bump of Gordon. Made big impression on Hulka.
2) Chet apparently likes golf team.
3) He will not hire a guy just to get a guy (so Tony from the Neighborhood is out).
4) They do not have another guy and he will let you know.
5) Illinois brand is better than ever and they have a million candidates.
Odd that nobody asked about Gentry. Is that official?
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Think so? I dunno.
I've been interviewing for a new job the last couple days. So, basically, I've had to be super interview nicey-nicey, and I'm about to lose my fucking mind.
So, yeah, maybe I am en fuego.
Maybe you should interview Constanza-style?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWCGs27_xPI
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1) Who gives a fuck.
2) Again, who gives a fuck.
3) Then apparently he doesn't want to be involved in high level college basketball and play in the shithole with everyone else.
4) What?
5) Bull fucking shit
Are these fair responses to your summary?
Dunno what jobs you are looking at-I am thinking a clergy position of some type?
I actually think you should be an Illinois beat writer.
These guys just nuthug Hulka all day. Jesus these things are fckign boring.
How do you stand it Rob??
Nobody asked about the Ring door video when Antigua's wife went all Bronx or Jersey on them.
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I don’t see anything here the DIA would have a problem with
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I actually think you should be an Illinois beat writer.
These guys just nuthug Hulka all day. Jesus these things are fckign boring.
How do you stand it Rob??
There *is* one guy whose questions are generally along the lines of "how great is it to be so great?"
But I did a fairly shitty job today, so who am I to talk?
People might want to know about Gentry, but basically Brad's going to tell us what he wants to tell us. I didn't even realize that nobody asked about it.
That's a problem, too. You get distracted by writing stuff down, Tweeting, etc. Then you risk looking like an idiot for asking a question that someone just asked.
And because it's a Zoom, everyone sees it.
In the old days, you'd get a concise written report that leaves out all the banter and background, but also eliminates the boring and stupid and long-winded questions.
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Hulka is pretty cool to hangout with from what I understand. Not like Billy Gillespie let’s go try and fuck Parkland dropouts at Tumble Inn cool, but cool nonetheless. Id probably nuthug him too at pressers
I would have given Groce and Lovie the business though
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Also, I'm willing to fuck a stripper in a men's room stall. You like that, too.
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I know a couple of TI people from waaaay back. Not very well, though.
They were both bartenders. The only TI bouncer I've ever met is Dick Butkus.
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Also, you fucked up the formatting, dickhead.
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when you open that door when you have to piss and the dude falls backwards on his ass and the chick is sitting there, minus the cock, well, that’s really something.
That just means it's your turn, right?
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Rob is trending on Loyalty.
Where is the chick sitting?
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Hulka is pretty cool to hangout with from what I understand. Not like Billy Gillespie let’s go try and fuck Parkland dropouts at Tumble Inn cool, but cool nonetheless. Id probably nuthug him too at pressers
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I went to Tumble Inn twice. The first time, I left with the bouncer’s girlfriend and fucked her. The second time the bouncer told me I should leave and not come back.
I told him not to worry about it. I wasn’t trying to fuck her again.
Rob might know the guy, actually.
I remember going there in 2005 with 3 friends and 3 very unattractive women were brought back to an apartment in Urbana. Upper 20s townies...kinda fat, kinda had the Motley Crue hair going.
I witnessed 3 not very good men take a grenade that night I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy
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I once fucked a really dark-skinned black chick in a men's room stall. With the lights turned off, I couldn't see her at all.
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Wait, I take that back. It was a ladies room.
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Where is the chick sitting?
Seriously? There's no time for such niceties.
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Where were you? That’s a good starting point.
Jupiter's.
I may have been on the clock.
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Seriously? There's no time for such niceties.
I can’t picture it
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Lean forward, grab the handrail.
It's not that complicated.
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Was this one of those bartender - client hook ups or did she work there?
Just taking care of my patrons.
You can't have two bartenders leave the floor at the same time, capisce?
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Right. I was thinking bartender-waitress type thing.
So, patron. Dark skinned. Who was she there with? Dark skinned black chicks don’t just show up at Jupiter’s alone, right?
She was a regular. I think she was there alone. But her on-and-off boyfriend was a DJ. More of a lover than a fighter.
We need to move on to the older lady I fucked in the unfinished basement next door.
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Nah. Not a regular. Didn't even live in town.
Her husband was terminal. Near death. So her gay friend took her out for drinks, to get her mind off things.
He kept an eye on the bar and nursed his drink while I helped her forget.
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It's nice to fire one's load straight up the chute without even considering paternity issues.
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Oh, you would love it if I was an Illinois beat writer. The problem is I wouldn't last a full week.
Setting aside the bathroom fuckery, this comment reminded me of the look on Groce's face near the end when Brett Beherns asked him a mildly critical question and he did the "goodness gracious" bit. Fuckin gold.
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Was it one of you assholes that pointed out the DIA's removing that question from the Official version of that video? I remember reading that on a message board.
They've also deleted every Tim Beckman presser.
That's why we have an independent press. You can't trust big brother.
Here you go Cal.
https://www.illinireport.info/2017/02/the-bret-beherns-moment/
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It would be gross incompetence to leave that shit up.
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There's this weird period of time that unfolded in the last decade or so.
It's the era that came after universal access to the World Wide Web, but before people realized that "it's on the web" does *not* equal "it will be on the web forever."
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That’s what YouTube is for
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YouTube was my first experience with not forever.
I enjoyed watching all the Jeremy Brett Holmeses, in ten minute segments. And then the entire Starman2110 channel disappeared.
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goodness gracious sakes alive
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YouTube was my first experience with not forever.
I enjoyed watching all the Jeremy Brett Holmeses, in ten minute segments. And then the entire Starman2110 channel disappeared.
Sorry, I meant for Tim Beckman gaffes, specifically.
P.S. I got some non-porta potty fuck stories but I’m not motivated to post them right now
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There's this weird period of time that unfolded in the last decade or so.
It's the era that came after universal access to the World Wide Web, but before people realized that "it's on the web" does *not* equal "it will be on the web forever."
Myspace and early Facebook were repositories of self-posted dirt and most of it is gone now. Damn masses ruin everything
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See, that's the thing. I know for a fucking fact that I'm like 150% more qualified that anyone else that could possibly be applying for this job. They should have just given me the fucker, but you have to go through the whole bullshit thing with HR and everything else. And answer the bullshit questions. And while it's all going on, maybe thinking, hell, maybe they're looking in another direction. Fuck who knows, maybe I'm not a shoe in. Maybe they found a cheaper option. FUCK!
Yeah, I'm stressed. God damnit.
HR people are the most worthless on the planet
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Edit: it's the next day, and the errors are still in the Chester article. I have contacted the relevant party to suggest changes.
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Yeah, it's a marketing piece for the BB program.
I don't quite get the blind fealty to college coaches.
I don't have the impression that Hulka even requires it like a McCaffery does who is in chronic butthurt mode and goes after guys in post game.
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I just hope Dr. Frazier doesn't have to pronounce someone else dead in a fucked up car in the middle of the cold, cold Champaign winter.
Damn near forgot about that classic moment in Illini history. Thanks for the reminder!
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There *is* one guy whose questions are generally along the lines of "how great is it to be so great?"
But I did a fairly shitty job today, so who am I to talk?
People might want to know about Gentry, but basically Brad's going to tell us what he wants to tell us. I didn't even realize that nobody asked about it.
That's a problem, too. You get distracted by writing stuff down, Tweeting, etc. Then you risk looking like an idiot for asking a question that someone just asked.
And because it's a Zoom, everyone sees it.
In the old days, you'd get a concise written report that leaves out all the banter and background, but also eliminates the boring and stupid and long-winded questions.
A couple of tips. Record/tweet after zoom conference. Problem solved.
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Also, I'm willing to fuck a stripper in a men's room stall. You like that, too.
Still? Rob, 25 forever
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I once fucked a really dark-skinned black chick in a men's room stall. With the lights turned off, I couldn't see her at all.
This is probably your best post in 10 years.
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Just taking care of my patrons.
You can't have two bartenders leave the floor at the same time, capisce?
Did she tip you? Monetarily?
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Sorry, I meant for Tim Beckman gaffes, specifically.
P.S. I got some non-porta potty fuck stories but I’m not motivated to post them right now
When I was a server, I banged a chick on her last day in the parking lot in and around my car. We were the only two there. We closed the restaurant together that night. It was caught on security camera. My best friend ran the restaurant. He thought it was the funniest thing ever.
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Yeah, but it was fucking hilarious.
“We use the word Oskee!”
“Our motto is WIN. Whatever is necessary today!”
I mean, that shit is gold.
Tim Beckman will always be the gold standard for incompetence both on and off the field.
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A couple of tips. Record/tweet after zoom conference. Problem solved.
Do you know why this solution fails in the modern news industry?
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I remember in Groce's first year when we were top 10, people were worried Groce would leave after 1st year
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Ok, so we officially have one Assistant Coach.
Unofficially two openings.
We found out that Hulka cannot even answer emails or calls there is so much interest.
And also that he was on Zoom call all morning with BT coaches where they had a self help group that they are now GMs and
only renting assistants and players anymore.
Meanwhile Porter Moser just picked up the lead recruiter/Associate Head Coach from Arkansas.
I know these things take time, but we better get a fcking good chair when the music stops.
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I once fucked a really dark-skinned black chick in a men's room stall. With the lights turned off, I couldn't see her at all.
Until she smiled.....maybe??
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We found out that Hulka cannot even answer emails or calls there is so much interest.
That must be why he is not returning my call.
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About that whole Huss to Illinois done deal thing...
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About that whole Huss to Illinois done deal thing...
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/4ef7e1840fb777e8ec7f7ab32ff2c4a6/tenor.gif?itemid=13505404)
FFS.
Next.......
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What are they saying on Loyalty?
I have heard maybe the Strip Club manager (Bergeron) is upset he was turned down by Hulka and the “we’ll help you get a job” might not be enough?
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Supposedly Creighton insiders:
Re: 2021 Off-Season
Wed May 12, 2021 3:28 pm
BenningtonBluejay wrote:Huss is gone, that’s coming from a guy I trust and has not been wrong before. Ughhhhh
Reply: Just curious when you heard this? Late last week and over the weekend I was told for sure he was gone. Since Monday he has been reconsidering and is still at that point of reconsidering as of today. Unless you heard something very recent, its 50/50.
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What are they saying on Loyalty?
I have heard maybe the Strip Club manager (Bergeron) is upset he was turned down by Hulka and the “we’ll help you get a job” might not be enough?
Loyalty is a kind of a joke when I looked over there this week as well as the 247 site.
Basically they mostly all have a boner over Chet for some reason, and think we are just taking our time with all the suitors and everyone needs to trust the process as we are elite program now.
Claim we have only had one guy say No.
I watched Chet's interview with an open mind. Good guy.
OK to have on staff, will work hard. Pretty nondescript. Didn't say anything that struck as some savant of the game after 10 years. The sweat equity thing is overplayed IMO.
We need an experienced high level recruiter.
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Supposedly Creighton insiders:
Re: 2021 Off-Season
Wed May 12, 2021 3:28 pm
BenningtonBluejay wrote:Huss is gone, that’s coming from a guy I trust and has not been wrong before. Ughhhhh
Reply: Just curious when you heard this? Late last week and over the weekend I was told for sure he was gone. Since Monday he has been reconsidering and is still at that point of reconsidering as of today. Unless you heard something very recent, its 50/50.
They are hoping that it is like the OA thing and in the end we are the Kentucky.
Apparently his wife is also a Creighton alum.
They also claim there is another top candidate in mix.
Maybe Young from FSU?
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They are hoping that it is like the OA thing and in the end we are the Kentucky.
Apparently his wife is also a Creighton alum.
They also claim there is another top candidate in mix.
Maybe Young from FSU?
I want Young from FSU. He was one I personally singled out in the beginning that should be a top candidate.
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Why do you hate Dennis Gates?
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I want Young from FSU. He was one I personally singled out in the beginning that should be a top candidate.
Would be very good hire if he fits with the group here now.
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Why do you hate Dennis Gates?
Well considering he’s a head coach at Cleveland State, don’t think he’s an option.
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Anybody want to throw their hat in the ring for coaching position entry level for $98,750. Buyout $$ for OA/Chin, so discretionary income to invest in the ILLINI future.
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I want Young from FSU. He was one I personally singled out in the beginning that should be a top candidate.
Pretty sure he reached out to Hulkamania. Maybe he wants a raise too
Hulka is telling people we are going to get Mitchell and Guerrier
Where do I sign up for that bet ?
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Pretty sure he reached out to Hulkamania. Maybe he wants a raise too
Hulka is telling people we are going to get Mitchell and Guerrier
Where do I sign up for that bet ?
No way we get both.
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Pretty sure he reached out to Hulkamania. Maybe he wants a raise too
Hulka is telling people we are going to get Mitchell and Guerrier
Where do I sign up for that bet ?
Hmmmm........
Was Guerrier the player to be named later in the Griffin trade??? Lol.
We get Mitchell and Guerrier we will have hellacious depth with Payne, DaMonte, Grandison,Hutcherson, Hawkins, and the three incoming frosh.
Are you seeing that some guys are diddling with us to get raises in present jobs??
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Pretty sure he reached out to Hulkamania. Maybe he wants a raise too
Hulka is telling people we are going to get Mitchell and Guerrier
Where do I sign up for that bet ?
I would be really happy with Huss and the kid from Vanderbilt....Akeem Odusipe. I am doubtful we will get Mitchell/Gurrier/ or even Huss at this point though.
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I would be really happy with Huss and the kid from Vanderbilt....Akeem Odusipe. I am doubtful we will get Mitchell/Gurrier/ or even Huss at this point though.
Odusipe totally sucks.
He had more fouls than points in only 11 games.
He would be bad practice dummy.
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If they want to gamble; there is this guy:
https://southernmiss.com/staff-directory/dalonte-hill/1497
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That reminds me, I guess I lost track of Larry Eustachy.
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That reminds me, I guess I lost track of Larry Eustachy.
Hill: suspicion of DUI
Eustachy: verbal abuse, including use of the dreaded c word.
We offered a guy who served time in prison for selling large quantities of reefer and no one raised an eyebrow.
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Hill: suspicion of DUI
Eustachy: verbal abuse, including use of the dreaded c word.
We offered a guy who served time in prison for selling large quantities of reefer and no one raised an eyebrow.
I thought Eustachy tried to do a lot of partying with college girls when he was in late 40’s.
Who did we offer who served time in prison?
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Who did we offer who served time in prison?
Kimani Young
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What are they saying on Loyalty?
I have heard maybe the Strip Club manager (Bergeron) is upset he was turned down by Hulka and the “we’ll help you get a job” might not be enough?
Scratch the maybe. He pissed
Hence Hulka’s “we won’t hire coaches for 1 player” subtle jab the other day
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Scratch the maybe. He pissed
Hence Hulka’s “we won’t hire coaches for 1 player” subtle jab the other day
I heard Hulka say that. Hulka thinks he is real funny guy. Tony don't like being disrespected like that.
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Kimani Young
Ahhhhhh. He would have been nice get.
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Young was with Coach Lil Pitino before Ricky got the Gofer job. If Young could get thru the Gofer vetting, he's probably been scrutinized enough to satisfy other school's requirements.
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Odusipe totally sucks.
He had more fouls than points in only 11 games.
He would be bad practice dummy.
Maybe he needs a "Huss" to coach him...Freshman so....
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Young was with Coach Lil Pitino before Ricky got the Gofer job. If Young could get thru the Gofer vetting, he's probably been scrutinized enough to satisfy other school's requirements.
Kimani Young got caught with 96 lbs of reefer in 1999 and spent a year in prison. He overcame that and it is not an issue.
Dalonte Hill did 60 days in 2013 on DUI related charges. Would that rule him out? He was once the highest paid assistant in the country and had / has extensive contacts.
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96 lbs holy shit
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An alleged insider elsewhere intimated Snacks could not have been considered even if available because of character issues. Apparent reference to his misdemeanor possession of marijuana arrest in 2015?
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Kimani Young got caught with 96 lbs of reefer in 1999 and spent a year in prison. He overcame that and it is not an issue.
Dalonte Hill did 60 days in 2013 on DUI related charges. Would that rule him out? He was once the highest paid assistant in the country and had / has extensive contacts.
Got it. This puts your earlier comment in a different, and forgiving, light.
TY.
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An alleged insider elsewhere intimated Snacks could not have been considered even if available because of character issues. Apparent reference to his misdemeanor possession of marijuana arrest in 2015?
how dare he carry the devils lettuce and get caught!!!
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"Character issues" seems to translate to that category of successful coaches whose experience includes navigating a space known as "grey areas" to the Kathi types.
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If we legalized it I'm not seeing the character issue with possession.
We should use this to our advantage.
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https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/uk-releases-contract-information-for-orlando-antigua-and-chin-coleman/
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We need some GOOD news, and soon. We are at DEFCON level 2.
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https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/uk-releases-contract-information-for-orlando-antigua-and-chin-coleman/
Interesting. Not anywhere near the reported amounts we allegedly offered.
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We need some GOOD news, and soon. We are at DEFCON level 2.
I don't buy they have this covered,we are elite and taking our time, and they play it close to the vest bullshit. We are not elite, and they have nothing firm. We have 2 open slots and nobody incoming right now.
There are always leaks.
We are clearly struggling here.
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I want the slot(s) filled but I’d rather they shoot for the stars, take their time, and get the right guy. Hopefully Frazier can keep the commits on board in meantime.
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I want the slot(s) filled but I’d rather they shoot for the stars, take their time, and get the right guy. Hopefully Frazier can keep the commits on board in meantime.
I agree with that in theory, but we are having trouble getting any of the supposed top picks to consider making the change (K. Young who OA suggested, Mennenga, Powell, Huss, Pinkins, C. Young, etc).
We need to be objective and not fans and acknowledge that this is simply a tougher sell than one might think for attracting already established high level P5 guys. Might need to focus on rising assistants at P5 wanting to move up if we can't snag one of these types.
Challenges are:
-Small town Rural Illinois location.
-Chicago recruiting is a shithole sleazy knife fight over overrated prima donnas.
-BT is all slobbering over the same regional kids in midwest
-The elite recruits get courted by bluebloods, of course.
-A lot of parity in league and pretty tough highly scouted league overall
-Shit weather pretty much year round
-Rednecks everywhere downstate if you are POC and you have to consider your family.
-We will not likely push the rules as far as a few other schools might.
-I don't know if eligibility admission is an issue anymore. It used to be somewhat. I am out of the loop on that these days.
Of course we are certainly an historically respected successful program overall, have a good group returning, a fairly decent head coach who seems personable, and are in solid second tier of P5 and trying to move back up to first tier.
Hopefully we get a guy(s) who can help pull us back off the cliff of being just in the pack.
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I want the slot(s) filled but I’d rather they shoot for the stars, take their time, and get the right guy. Hopefully Frazier can keep the commits on board in meantime.
Frazier is no doubt a passionate guy. Have to see how he connects with kids. Pretty serious mthfcker. Has its place. Does not strike me as necessarily charismatic, or a lot of fun, but Rob probably knows him better than most.
Hopefully he will work out well for us.
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I agree with that in theory, but we are having trouble getting any of the supposed top picks to consider making the change (K. Young who OA suggested, Mennenga, Powell, Huss, Pinkins, C. Young, etc).
We need to be objective and not fans and acknowledge that this is simply a tougher sell than one might think for attracting already established high level P5 guys. Might need to focus on rising assistants at P5 wanting to move up if we can't snag one of these types.
Challenges are:
-Small town Rural Illinois location.
-Chicago recruiting is a shithole sleazy knife fight over overrated prima donnas.
-BT is all slobbering over the same regional kids in midwest
-The elite recruits get courted by bluebloods, of course.
-A lot of parity in league and pretty tough highly scouted league overall
-Shit weather pretty much year round
-Rednecks everywhere downstate if you are POC and you have to consider your family.
-We will not likely push the rules as far as a few other schools might.
-I don't know if eligibility admission is an issue anymore. It used to be somewhat. I am out of the loop on that these days.
Of course we are certainly an historically respected successful program overall, have a good group returning, a fairly decent head coach who seems personable, and are in solid second tier of P5 and trying to move back up to first tier.
Hopefully we get a guy(s) who can help pull us back off the cliff of being just in the pack.
I have no insight but I also wonder how poisoned the well is against BU right now.
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I have no insight but I also wonder how poisoned the well is against BU right now.
By other coaches??
By some players who left?
Or just the fact that two asst guys left and that it is known at least a couple guys are not interested?
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96 lbs holy shit
Somewhere I can hear EB Halsey saying “Hold my beer...”
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I mean Whitman and Underwood aren’t going after mid major guys, they are trying to get proven coaches from successful high majors to essentially make a lateral (at best) move for a pay raise. Florida, Oregon and Creighton have all been better programs than Illinois the past 15 years or so. We poached Frazier (an alum, granted) from an ACC program that’s made the tourney four of the last five seasons. Va Tech is eying a high school coach to replace him.
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I mean Whitman and Underwood aren’t going after mid major guys, they are trying to get proven coaches from successful high majors to essentially make a lateral (at best) move for a pay raise. Florida, Oregon and Creighton have all been better programs than Illinois the past 15 years or so. We poached Frazier (an alum, granted) from an ACC program that’s made the tourney four of the last five seasons. Va Tech is eying a high school coach to replace him.
I wouldn't call Frazier a poach or stealing a top guy.
I see him as pretty much a very safe B level hire. Not bad, but nothing extraordinary really.
The alum angle is of some value I guess.
Does not address the need we have for a high level recruiter.
Others may certainly disagree.
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By other coaches??
By some players who left?
Or just the fact that two asst guys left and that it is known at least a couple guys are not interested?
Coaching circles.
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I wouldn't call Frazier a poach or stealing a top guy.
I see him as pretty much a very safe B level hire. Not bad, but nothing extraordinary really.
The alum angle is of some value I guess.
Does not address the need we have for a high level recruiter.
Others may certainly disagree.
I mean we literally stole the top guy (associate head coach) from an ACC program with a much better 6-8 year recent history than our own, albeit a lower ceiling.
Frazier’s resume is objectively better than Chin’s was coming in. And that’s who he’s replacing. I don’t think anyone thought it was an extraordinary hire, but at least on paper it looks to be a solid and safe one.
I think the perception of the hire isn’t that exciting because 1) It is Chester Frazier, the much maligned former Illini player who was emblematic of the program’s meteoric fall from grace and 2) He cut his coaching teeth with Bruce Weber.
I have no idea how well Frazier will recruit but they’re clearly trying to get a proven high level recruiter to fill OA’s spot.
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Don't see any reason why stud recruits in the region and their parents won't like and get along with Chester. He had to play thru that period of depressing Weber ball, he was actually a bright spot later in his career and I don't hold that against him.
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I mean we literally stole the top guy (associate head coach) from an ACC program with a much better 6-8 year recent history than our own, albeit a lower ceiling.
Frazier’s resume is objectively better than Chin’s was coming in. And that’s who he’s replacing. I don’t think anyone thought it was an extraordinary hire, but at least on paper it looks to be a solid and safe one.
I think the perception of the hire isn’t that exciting because 1) It is Chester Frazier, the much maligned former Illini player who was emblematic of the program’s meteoric fall from grace and 2) He cut his coaching teeth with Bruce Weber.
I have no idea how well Frazier will recruit but they’re clearly trying to get a proven high level recruiter to fill OA’s spot.
I am sure he will be hard worker and good team player.
I can also pretty much guarantee you that when OA and Chin were known to be leaving nobody was thinking, "Oh let's get Chet Frazier!"
I don't think anyone was paying much attention to him.
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Don't see any reason why stud recruits in the region and their parents won't like and get along with Chester. He had to play thru that period of depressing Weber ball, he was actually a bright spot later in his career and I don't hold that against him.
I hope it works out. He has no track record of being lead on Top 100 recruits.
I am sure he invests 100% when they get there.
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No, but the people who get paid a lot to do this did. And did it quickly.
If you had someone hand you a stack of AC resumes with no names on them, Frazier’s would look pretty damn good. Made the Top 30 under 30. Has some coached some guys that made it to the league. Been in the tourney more often than not, with some tourney success including the round of 8 appearance.
The fans at VaTech really liked him and thought he was doing great. I mean compare his resume to Chin’s resume coming in. Nebraska? Col St? UIC, MIF? Chet has coached like 7-8 P5 NCAA tourney teams in the last decade.
If some other guy with the exact same resume got the job I think people would be way more excited about the hire especially considering he’s not even going to be our #1 recruiting guy.
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The people that get paid a lot to do this also brought us Gentry who we are now trying to foist on someone else. And those same people have swung and missed on our top picks.
If you want to do the blind resume thing, fine. I would have passed unless it was for a third spot which we seem to have Alexander penciled in for. Another gym rat guy who has not really recruited anybody.
Frazier had 10 years at P5 schools. No Top 150 recruits. Coached under Clownshoes for 7 years who is a punchline.
You don’t win without talent. We just had our best regular season in 16 years. We had four Top 50 guys and a Top 100 senior in rotation.
I am sure he will be OK, just not as enthused about it as others.
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The obvious answer is that guys who have options aren't scrambling to take these jobs.
They know O and Chin professionally. They have differing degrees of personal relationship with them.
Why do they not want the jobs O and Chin left? Probably for the same reasons O and Chin wanted out.
Chester shouldn't be lumped in, in this analysis. He was working for a guy even older than Brad, with even less high major experience than Brad. Maybe things are looking up in Blacksburg, but they took over for Buzz, who'd stocked the cupboard and gone to three straight tourneys before he bolted.
Chester has seen a coach succeed, at first, with a previous coach's recruits. Twice.
Champaign is comfortable for him and gets his wife closer to her friends and family. It was an easy choice.
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Good analysis Rob.
I hope he does well here.
I think we are in some ways seeing an analogous process to when we look for head coaches.
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The obvious answer is that guys who have options aren't scrambling to take these jobs.
They know O and Chin professionally. They have differing degrees of personal relationship with them.
Why do they not want the jobs O and Chin left? Probably for the same reasons O and Chin wanted out.
They were offered by UK?
all time recruiting assistants at UI and previous job:
Howie Braun UI student
Nat Frazier Delaware State ac
Tony Yates Cincinnati ac
Jimmy Collins probation officer
Rob Judson Bradley ac
Norm Roberts Tulss ac
Billy Gillispie Tulss ac
Jerrance Howard UK staff
Jamall Walker Ohio ac
Paris Parham ISU ac
Orlando Antigua ue
Chin Coleman UIC ac
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We don't have any history of poaching top assistants from high major programs.
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No, but the people who get paid a lot to do this did. And did it quickly.
Just because they get paid a lot does not mean they are good at their jobs.
Tim Beckman was hired by people who get paid a lot to do this. Imbecile Judy got hired by highly paid sanitation executives to pick up OA's garbage, and look how he screwed that up.
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Just because they get paid a lot does not mean they are good at their jobs.
Tim Beckman was hired by people who get paid a lot to do this. Imbecile Judy got hired by highly paid sanitation executives to pick up OA's garbage, and look how he screwed that up.
You just can’t help yourself. You should seek help.
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You should seek help.
Who won the 2020 US presidential race?
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Who won the 2020 US presidential race?
Still working on it you blind brainwashed puppet.
In AZ they are looking for bamboo chips in the paper in ballots to confirm there were thousands shipped in from China.
This would therefore prove that the same thing must have also happened in PA,GA,Michigan, NV,and Wisconsin in black and Hispanic urban areas. A very sophisticated
plan devised in a collaboration with Chinese officials and no doubt corrupt BLM, Antifa, and Latin American rapists murdering drug lord leaders.
Trump says that auditors have found "unbelievable election crime".
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/05/11/PPHX/ab9140f2-1504-4b9f-8686-dc91c9de1dcf-cent02-7fqphnf5ana1a0iqmhle_original.jpg?width=660&height=434&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
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You forgot the Ghost of Hugo Chavez, who devised the plan.
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Stop the Steal!!!!
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So on another board (247) they are claiming that Huss accepted, but his family then persuaded him to stay, and Creighton has basically now matched our monetary offer.
Not clear where this stands, or if both parties have moved on.
Will Bailey's name being mentioned over there. Not sure if there is anything going on with that.
Would be OK I guess, as he has a lot of places he has been at, is from Chicago, but not sure who he has actually brought in of note.
He really is kind of in the Chet mold of a guard development guy, is experienced, but not really a high level recruiter.
Would be another mostly tough guy culture guy and is a Martin protege.
We could lead the country in chest bumps and stare downs at least.
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So on another board (247) they are claiming that Huss accepted, but his family then persuaded him to stay, and Creighton has basically now matched our monetary offer.
Not clear where this stands, or if both parties have moved on.
Will Bailey's name being mentioned over there. Not sure if there is anything going on with that.
Would be OK I guess, as he has a lot of places he has been at, is from Chicago, but not sure who he has actually brought in of note.
He really is kind of in the Chet mold of a guard development guy, is experienced, but not really a high level recruiter.
Would be another mostly tough guy culture guy and is a Martin protege.
We could lead the country in chest bumps and stare downs at least.
Did they say that on Premium, or are you taking PMan's word for it?
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PMan is kind of the resident mansplainer there.
They have a few guys like that.
I think it was him and another guy.
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So on another board (247) they are claiming that Huss accepted, but his family then persuaded him to stay, and Creighton has basically now matched our monetary offer.
Not clear where this stands, or if both parties have moved on.
Will Bailey's name being mentioned over there. Not sure if there is anything going on with that.
Would be OK I guess, as he has a lot of places he has been at, is from Chicago, but not sure who he has actually brought in of note.
He really is kind of in the Chet mold of a guard development guy, is experienced, but not really a high level recruiter.
Would be another mostly tough guy culture guy and is a Martin protege.
We could lead the country in chest bumps and stare downs at least.
Honestly, unless he reached out, I don’t really get trying to target a guy who played and went to school there.
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Yeah, I guess they thought that money would persuade him.
They probably put in a call to Warren Buffett.
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Does seem like Bailey would duplicate Chester. Is there even any reason to think he would be willing to make a lateral move?
To get a top guy, he has to be between gigs, at a significantly lesser program, feels mistreated where he's at, or is otherwise motivated to accept. They are not going to lure a well situated AC just by offering him a raise. It has to be a major step up or overall improvement.
That might mean looking outside the box. At mid and low major ACs or high major non-AC staffs for an unknown up and comer. Or taking a risk on a vteran guy with issues like Hill. Or finding out whose nose is out of joint or was let go after staff changes. Or are there any JC's out there?
Is a cool tall guy who can coach bigs a must hire? Or can Alexander do that?
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So on another board (247) they are claiming that Huss accepted, but his family then persuaded him to stay,
Consistent with reports of what Creighton insiders were / are saying
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Does seem like Bailey would duplicate Chester. Is there even any reason to think he would be willing to make a lateral move?
To get a top guy, he has to be between gigs, at a significantly lesser program, feels mistreated where he's at, or is otherwise motivated to accept. They are not going to lure a well situated AC just by offering him a raise. It has to be a major step up or overall improvement.
That might mean looking outside the box. At mid and low major ACs or high major non-AC staffs for an unknown up and comer. Or taking a risk on a vteran guy with issues like Hill. Or finding out whose nose is out of joint or was let go after staff changes. Or are there any JC's out there?
Is a cool tall guy who can coach bigs a must hire? Or can Alexander do that?
That is the problem.
As much as we do not like to admit it- we are a lateral move at best for most P5 top assistants, and a step down in the cases where their program is doing well and has built a recruiting network, or is a blue blood P5.
In their present role as a top AC, they do not need the step to come to Illinois to get a low or mid major HC job. They can do that from where they are at.
We also have no real network unless you wish to count the MIF connection which is sketchy as fck and the top guys are going to go to the elite schools 9 times out of ten no matter what we do.
This is a tough place to sell TBH to top ACs.
Agree, we need to find a guy where the timing is right, take a risk, or find a guy just starting to emerge as a recruiting guy at a high D1. Not sure a low/midmajor works as they do not get in with Top 150 kids very often.
Bailey would be kind of a meh hire the more one looks at his resume.
Supposedly Alexander has done some positive player development work. But, again, he has never recruited.
Gym rats like him and Chet are fine, but you have to get players.
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Supposedly Alexander has done some positive player development work.
You must be referring to written reports to the HC because actually working with players would be a violation.
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You must be referring to written reports to the HC because actually working with players would be a violation.
Dunno. Supposedly per other boards, he did work with players in summer. Don't know what he is allowed to do in season or how hands on he can be in off season with players.
Maybe they are wrong. You know the rules better than anybody. Unless they changed the rules, teams have historically had a buttload of suits if they want hanging around in a game in non assistant coach roles.
Duke used to have like 20 guys.
What would be his role then on staff if he is not allowed in the gym all year? To drink with Hulka after games?
"Yeah that Loyola fat guy was sure a tough summafabitch wasn't he? Mthcker made us look bad! Fcking mthrfcker Loyola fkcing bumfck mtherckers and that fcking nun! Whaddya gonna do huh? Need a refill Woody??"
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A lot of SATTHCes are fourth coaches, and everybody knows it. But it's illegal.
Gary Nottingham was sanctioned a couple of times in the Weber years. Weber is probably too stupid (or "clean") to have slipped him some cash as a reward/remuneration. Oregon got hit recently with sanctions for Too Many Coaches.
GA's job should be advanced scouting, video analysis, keeping a list of set plays to run (at specific, tense moments during the game) and being ready to hand them to the HC at the appropriate moment.
It seems like a dumb rule, but the goal is to keep Murray State competitive with Kentucky. In theory, Kentucky could afford to employ 17 coaches, who could out-recruit/out-scout the three assistants Murray State can afford.
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Makes sense.
I know there are the 3 official assistants, and rules about who can recruit, but only budget limits the number of other guys one could have unless that has changed.
We could make Tony Bergeron Coffee Boy for instance.
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Next Up for Assistant Coaches? Any other rumors?
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Well, Geoff Alexander is apparently talking to recruits?
This kid claims so.
https://twitter.com/DallasThomas06/status/1394281246243446790?s=20 (https://twitter.com/DallasThomas06/status/1394281246243446790?s=20)
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That's not a problem because we don't have two three full-time assistants on staff at the moment.
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That's not a problem because we don't have two three full-time assistants on staff at the moment.
That makes sense.
Talk on Loyalty is we are working on Carlton Young.
Alexander in 3rd spot.
ALso- VaTech hired the DeMatha coach which is an interesting get. He knows a few kids.
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Well, Geoff Alexander is apparently talking to recruits?
This kid claims so.
https://twitter.com/DallasThomas06/status/1394281246243446790?s=20 (https://twitter.com/DallasThomas06/status/1394281246243446790?s=20)
Seems like a player only going up....which means we won't get him with his current offers and more to come and our lack of coaches.... :o
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Seems like a player only going up....which means we won't get him with his current offers and more to come and our lack of coaches.... :o
He is a freshman in high school.
Hope this doesn't keep you up at night the next 3 years.
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He is a freshman in high school.
Hope this doesn't keep you up at night the next 3 years.
😂
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https://twitter.com/brandinpodziem2/status/1394630528721203203?s=19
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https://twitter.com/brandinpodziem2/status/1394630528721203203?s=19
https://twitter.com/rforan23/status/1394712267527176195?s=21
And here’s Reggie Bass confirming his commitment as well.
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He’s always wearing a mask in his edits which probably makes people here very happy
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He’s always wearing a mask in his edits which probably makes people here very happy
Yeah we like recruits who were not one, or did not cause, one of the lucky 600,533 lucky dead contestants.
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He is a freshman in high school.
Hope this doesn't keep you up at night the next 3 years.
Won't keep me up 1 night....only get 4.5 or so hours as it is....so no worries either way. We won't get him anyways.
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Loyalty board is ALL about Charlton Young right now.
Dunno.
His twitter account is actively touting the top recruit Matthew Cleveland he signed who is arriving on campus.
Doesn't sound like a guy on his way out.
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What about Charlton Heston he has Chicago roots
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What about Charlton Heston he has Chicago roots
Damn you. Damn you all to hell.
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New name being tossed around:Ricardo Greer Dayton
...and the Steven Gentry house is officially listed for sale
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...and the Steven Gentry house is officially listed for sale
Good!
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He’s just moving to the town center apartments
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He’s just moving to the town center apartments
Well let’s hope he gets shot.....
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I guess we are paying Chet $525,000.
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New name being tossed around:Ricardo Greer Dayton
I guess we are onto plan G and looking at mid majors.
Maybe we get a guy with a rocket up his ass.
I actually like this guy on paper. Don't know if he can recruit, but we are not looking like we are going to get a high level P5 guy and maybe he can grow and learn on the job along with Chet.
https://daytonflyers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/ricardo-greer/5114 (https://daytonflyers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/ricardo-greer/5114)
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I guess we are onto plan G and looking at mid majors.
Maybe we get a guy with a rocket up his ass.
I actually like this guy on paper.
https://daytonflyers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/ricardo-greer/5114 (https://daytonflyers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/ricardo-greer/5114)
Keeps open the Dominican pipeline
He got Obi Toppin
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Keeps open the Dominican pipeline
He got Obi Toppin
Ahhhh, I completely forgot about him. You are right.
He is also from New York.
I love east coast and international players.
Have had enough of these halfass midwest and Chicago CPL guys who have zero BB IQ.
Sign me the fck up.
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New name being tossed around:Ricardo Greer Dayton
...and the Steven Gentry house is officially listed for sale
I think Greer would be a great hire for us:
A) We are not getting P-5 Assistant imo
B) Dominican Pipeline (familiar with Domincan National Team already), keeps current player/players happy.
C) NY Bred - Might be a huge + for us, as it was with OA.
D) Played and starred at Pitt, more East Coast connections
E) Learned under Howland/Grant...(worse options out there)
F) Recruiter already (Toppin as stated)
Most importantly, I would be surprised if OA hasn't had a hand in suggesting or assisting in this happening, if indeed it does.
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It has dawned on the Loyalty crowd, who were certain a Charlton Young announcement was imminent, that he is still actively tweeting about the new recruits and the NBA alumni of the FSU program.
Duh.
Like I said- doesn't look like a guy on his way out.
I am guessing that Greer is making only about $150-$200K.
We should be able to pry him away. We could do a lot worse.
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Illinois head coach Brad Underwood announced Friday that Geoff Alexander has been elevated to assistant coach. Alexander moves to an on-court coaching and recruiting position after spending the last four seasons on the Fighting Illini staff as assistant to the head coach.
https://fightingillini.com/news/2021/5/21/mens-basketball-alexander-named-assistant-coach.aspx
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Illinois head coach Brad Underwood announced Friday that Geoff Alexander has been elevated to assistant coach. Alexander moves to an on-court coaching and recruiting position after spending the last four seasons on the Fighting Illini staff as assistant to the head coach.
https://fightingillini.com/news/2021/5/21/mens-basketball-alexander-named-assistant-coach.aspx
I remember Underwood saying the interest he’s gotten for the assistant positions is overwhelming. This screams of it....🙄
Literally an alum who would’ve taken the job for free and an inside hire who’s not much of a recruiter. I’m blown away by the hires. Really don’t think we can do much better than what we ended up with. Might actually be better than OA and Chin honestly.....
Fuck this shit! So we hiring Nick Irvin too or what?! He’d slide right in where Alexander left open. What a shitshow this is.
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"Gonzaga is hiring Stephen Gentry as an assistant coach, source told ESPN. Gentry spent the last two seasons at Illinois, where he helped engineer a top-10 offense and 1-seed last season. Former walk-on at Gonzaga from 2002-06." -- Jeff Borzello
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1395819969074638856
https://twitter.com/CoachSGentry/status/1395821490474524677
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I remember Underwood saying the interest he’s gotten for the assistant positions is overwhelming. This screams of it....🙄
Literally an alum who would’ve taken the job for free and an inside hire who’s not much of a recruiter. I’m blown away by the hires. Really don’t think we can do much better than what we ended up with. Might actually be better than OA and Chin honestly.....
Fuck this shit! So we hiring Nick Irvin too or what?! He’d slide right in where Alexander left open. What a shitshow this is.
Yeah- we are clearly scrambling. We need a legit recruiter.
We should sneak into the tourney in 21/22 even w/o Kofi, and maybe do better than the collapse this year. That would help.
We will still get some Top 150 kids (anybody on this board could do that if they have a cell phone and by virtue of having BT rides to hand out) but I worry about roster construction, and it will be more on the 150 end of continuum than the 50 end of the spectrum.
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"Gonzaga is hiring Stephen Gentry as an assistant coach, source told ESPN. Gentry spent the last two seasons at Illinois, where he helped engineer a top-10 offense and 1-seed last season. Former walk-on at Gonzaga from 2002-06." -- Jeff Borzello
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1395819969074638856
https://twitter.com/CoachSGentry/status/1395821490474524677
Thank goodness
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Literally an alum
*sigh*
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*sigh*
Did he never got a degree from here?
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He has BS degree in Rec Mgmnt from Illinois in 2009.
It's a feel good story homegrown staff along with Alexander.
I am hoping Tisdale will leave the hardware store to take the 3rd spot.
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I am hoping Tisdale will leave the hardware store to take the 3rd spot.
<<snicker>>
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He has BS degree in Rec Mgmnt from Illinois in 2009.
It's a feel good story homegrown staff along with Alexander.
I am hoping Tisdale will leave the hardware store to take the 3rd spot.
So why the **sigh** from Rob?? 🤔
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We lose any more coaching candidates or potential transfers in the last 24 hours or so ?
Chef's getting $525 ?
The Gofer coaches are getting $814. They filled their staff. Maybe we're offering too much.
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He has BS degree in Rec Mgmnt from Illinois in 2009.
It's a feel good story homegrown staff along with Alexander.
I am hoping Tisdale will leave the hardware store to take the 3rd spot.
Alexander yes. Despite breaking in under Weber, Frazier is an experienced quality assistant, both as a coach and as a recruiter
As a recruiter, he had to evaluate talent and find skilled players who would be receptive and fit at KSU and VT. By all accounts, he was very good at that.
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That's nice spin on a guy we are now paying $100k more than we paid OA.
I don't think very many see him as a higher level recruiter.
No one has named one Top 100 recruit he is identified as bringing in during his 10 years.
Maybe I missed that.
Brad seemed most excited about the chest bump of Gordon and the toughness narrative.
Might be good in the gym with kids which is of value, and a hard loyal worker.
That said, we better find a recruiter.
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https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Thoughts-on-Illinois-Fighting-Illini-basketball-transfer-target-Greg-Lee-from-Western-Michigan-165717345/
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https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1397244597919698945?s=21
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/ffc6695ccf772c6990db6089272e363c/tenor.gif?itemid=3355561)
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https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1397244597919698945?s=21
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/ffc6695ccf772c6990db6089272e363c/tenor.gif?itemid=3355561)
Yeah I just came in here to post this link
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1397244597919698945?s=21
Looks like we’re having A LOT of trouble filling this assistant spot.
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https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1397244597919698945?s=21
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/ffc6695ccf772c6990db6089272e363c/tenor.gif?itemid=3355561)
Well so much for that PR connection and hope for a lead assistant head coach....
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Yeah I just came in here to post this link
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1397244597919698945?s=21
Looks like we’re having A LOT of trouble filling this assistant spot.
Maybe time to hire a frustrated past head coach....not sure who that could be, but maybe sell it as a foot back in the door on the way to HC duties at another school or go raid the Chicago HS ranks for say....Irvin or another proven winner? Otherwise, not sure we are getting anyone soon, and we need too.
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Mrs. Greer sends her thanks for the new house and Escalade.
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Mrs. Greer sends her thanks for the new house and Escalade.
😂
Seriously, but fuck that bitch!
Or......seriously *butt* fuck that bitch!
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https://twitter.com/jwerner247/status/1397286877129019399?s=21
Really, Brad?! 🙄
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https://twitter.com/jwerner247/status/1397286877129019399?s=21
Really, Brad?! 🙄
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/9f1d77a1d364b38c2a5f2636c91ff914/tenor.gif?itemid=4318766)
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Can confirm.
https://youtu.be/f5jMjlQQuPM
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https://youtu.be/GxMUAU1dckU
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https://twitter.com/jwerner247/status/1397286877129019399?s=21
Really, Brad?! 🙄
Sounds like an ex head coach to me....hmmmmm ???
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An aside. New'Pud HC stole Bino Ranson from MD. He was their Baltimore connection.
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No worries. Hulka is going to blow your mind.
I am guessing Phil Jackson.
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No worries. Hulka is going to blow your mind.
I am guessing Phil Jackson.
Can confirm coach K was looking at land in Mahomet today. Was heard saying the Illini assistant job is his dream job🤯
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Can confirm coach K was looking at land in Mahomet today. Was heard saying the Illini assistant job is his dream job🤯
Michael Jordan. Has Chicago and east coast connections. Had a party house in Mahomet didn't he?
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Well, it appears Hulka really wants guys who will be loyal above all else, hence the in house and legacy hirings.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/illini/underwood-searches-for-third-illini-assistant-as-alexander-marvels-about-promotion/article_9754d0e0-d158-53f1-9e5f-ffe050da0dbf.html (https://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/illini/underwood-searches-for-third-illini-assistant-as-alexander-marvels-about-promotion/article_9754d0e0-d158-53f1-9e5f-ffe050da0dbf.html)
He is looking at Oskee the dog is the new rumor. Very loyal. Sniffs out talent. Enjoys fundraising. Can still get after it with the players in practice. Known for teaching attacking defense.
(https://dbukjj6eu5tsf.cloudfront.net/sidearm.sites/fightingillini.com/images/2020/10/29/OKSEE_Pet_Club1024x410_Web.jpg)
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😂👍
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If they're looking for a Bulldog .....
(https://i.ibb.co/26SH4yN/20210526-131424.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
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https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/1397910660856565761?s=21
Kofi gone. Well the ending to last season and this off-season has really sucked.
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Hope things work out for him OK.
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Kofi will be dunking on dudes in the NBA in no time. Good luck you were a college beast.
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Kofi is not even going to be drafted.
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Really hard to predict. He is in very few 2nd round mock drafts I have seen, but who knows. Maybe someone will pick him up as FA.
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Kofi will be dunking on dudes in the NBA in no time. Good luck you were a college beast.
Sarcasm meter on fritz...that said Kofi will not be dunking on dudes as much as he will get dunked on in the NBA. He is quick with feet for college ball, but many are in the NBA with better hands than Kofi has ever had.
6'11" and 253 is average for NBA center. Kofi will not be the biggest kid on the block anymore...he needs to come back for another year to get better.
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he needs to come back for another year to get better.
Obviously would love to have him back, but he ain't getting better with another year in college.
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At least he isn’t dragging it out and leaving us in a lurch. Go get Mitchell, run Payne at the 5, have Hawkins back both up. We lose two AAs yet all of a sudden we have a lot more modern looking basketball team that can stretch the floor and offers more versatility.
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Which of these three players has the best chance at making an NBA roster. .. L. Garza , C. krutwig , or Kofi?
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Krutwig
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Garza will make a roster.
Kofi might.
Krutwig is Euroball.
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Which of these three players has the best chance at making an NBA roster. .. L. Garza , C. krutwig , or Kofi?
Krutwig actually imo....his instincts will get him a contract...Garza and Kofi may both get one, but both are actually not suited very well for todays NBA.
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At least he isn’t dragging it out and leaving us in a lurch. Go get Mitchell, run Payne at the 5, have Hawkins back both up. We lose two AAs yet all of a sudden we have a lot more modern looking basketball team that can stretch the floor and offers more versatility.
If there is someway we can land Mitchell, and then maybe even another transfer big, I actually think we can be better than last years team.
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Which of these three players has the best chance at making an NBA roster. .. L. Garza , C. krutwig , or Kofi?
Garza probably he can shoot the 3 pretty well
I think he would be a steal in the 2nd round sort of like carlos boozer back in the day, dude can ball and why not risk a 2nd rounder on a 2x POY
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I can’t think of anyone Garza can actually defend
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I can’t think of anyone Garza can actually defend
All three will pretty much suck on defense in NBA. Sure, somebody might give Krutwig a couple ten days here and there if he is in G league. Strange things happen. Myke Henry played 20 games in the NBA. If he is smart he goes to Europe where his skillset and athletic limits will work. A better version of Giorgi.
There are very few bigs in NBA that Krutwig can defend or score on. Guy is too slow, nonathletic, and small for NBA. Cannot shoot beyond 10 feet.
Kofi has terrible footwork and is a bear on skates 3 feet away from basket on both defense and offense. Not a shot blocker really. Cannot shoot at all. Cannot pass at all. Runs well, and finishes ok. Might catch on in right situation due to size and strength and work ethic.
Garza is slow as absolute shit, but should get a deep reserve spot somewhere. Can shoot the NBA three, has high BB IQ, great work ethic, and is much better post defender than either Krutiwig or Kofi. He is actually showing up in some credible first round mocks. I doubt that, but he should get drafted in 2nd. Unlikely either of the other two get their name called.
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https://www.news-gazette.com/sports/finke-steps-down-as-champaign-central-boys-basketball-coach/article_c4fd29c8-96d3-5603-b8d3-e87e0992c1dd.html?fbclid=IwAR2cBA8E_azSBaUTgJPrweLfW1p_LNpTlcDRuNMM2v68OWRBIm10cZmc8Yk
I’m sure he will be our 3 assistant.....🙄😂
Because.............
Illinois.
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This guy is available.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s11Ff8MktME
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This guy is available.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s11Ff8MktME
Might depend on his dependency though?
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This guy is available.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s11Ff8MktME
A good Xs & Os guy. I like it.
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Well the chatter on 247 is Hulka is the best and not to be questioned and we are putting together an amazing staff.
The chatter on Loyalty is that an NBA assistant is on the way.
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Well the chatter on 247 is Hulka is the best and not to be questioned and we are putting together an amazing staff.
The chatter on Loyalty is that an NBA assistant is on the way.
Okay where would this make sense.....Royal Ivey, Jacque Vaughn, Chris DeMarco, Miles Simon, Mike Miller, Brian Randle, Jannero Pargo, Adrian Griffin, Keyon Dooling?????
Just a list we shall see....lol
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Can confirm coach K was looking at land in Mahomet today. Was heard saying the Illini assistant job is his dream job🤯
https://twitter.com/illinion247/status/1400182288567111681?s=21
I told ya so...... this is the thing that will blow your mind. This is the beginning of it
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https://twitter.com/illinion247/status/1400182288567111681?s=21
I told ya so...... this is the thing that will blow your mind. This is the beginning of it
They act like they just announced the next pope.
Fck Duke. Scheyer recruits like a mthercker.
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They act like they just announced the next pope.
Fck Duke. Scheyer recruits like a mthercker.
Good luck to him.
The old Coach K model of exclusively recruiting top 25 talent is no longer working for a number of reasons.
I could go into depth, but the best example of why was Jalen Johnson quitting Duke to prepare for the draft.
Now with the g league becoming an option, new transfer portal rules and NIL coming soon ...
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Good luck to him.
The old Coach K model of exclusively recruiting top 25 talent is no longer working for a number of reasons.
I could go into depth, but the best example of why was Jalen Johnson quitting Duke to prepare for the draft.
Now with the g league becoming an option, new transfer portal rules and NIL coming soon ...
No question recruiting is now more complex and competing against more options.
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They act like they just announced the next pope.
Fck Duke. Scheyer recruits like a mthercker.
I wish him nothing but the worst
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Loyalty now positing that the delay is due to Hulka being selective as he has so many options, or waiting for Brian Randle.
An NBA guy could be nice.
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Lol I think an NBA guy with recruiting ability could be the perfect fit alongside Frazier and Alexander
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Lol I think an NBA guy with recruiting ability could be the perfect fit alongside Frazier and Alexander
Actually would be a good mix.
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Insiders Breal31, illini0440, stuemke5 are quiet.
LvilleILL implies a decision has been made or is pending.
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Insiders Breal31, illini0440, stuemke5 are quiet.
LvilleILL implies a decision has been made or is pending.
Who is LvilleILL ??
Any idea who the candidate is?
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He's the same dipshit from loyalty that claimed Orlando was staying along with Kofi.
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illini0440 and stuemke5 are usually accurate at loyalty. A few others hear stuff. Until recently I was pretty sure 0440 and BReal were the same person. Seem to have the same source(s).
Sometimes so-called insider information can be accurate and wrong at the same time for several reasons.
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I don't know the various posters on other boards very well, but guy on Loyalty claiming an announcement per Sturdy this week.
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Some first post person at Loyalty says Omar Lowery will be announced this week.
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Some first post person at Loyalty says Omar Lowery will be announced this week.
He seems solid. They look like they are going for the 4 year Top 100-250 guys and decent transfers route.
Butler is good program and has done well with those guys. No really top recruits in last several years (One guy was #99).
It can work just fine with good roster construction, player development, and buy in.
If he is the guy- let's get to work for '22 recruits and building program culture.
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I suppose it’s possible that with a better conference and bigger brand with recent momentum that these guys could recruit better than they have at previous stops.
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In other words, Illini fans will talk themselves into liking the hire, despite its being an enormous step down from O.
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Naturally. OA was the crown jewel of the assistant staff. Not sure he can be “replaced”
Go get the best guy you can and hope that the sum of these parts is as good or better than the sum of the previous parts.
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Naturally. OA was the crown jewel of the assistant staff. Not sure he can be “replaced”
Go get the best guy you can and hope that the sum of these parts is as good or better than the sum of the previous parts.
I guess we will see what the strategy is soon. It is certainly possible that the new group can create a sustainable strong performing program. I think a steady diet of recruits in the range of this year would be fine.
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In other words, Illini fans will talk themselves into liking the hire, despite its being an enormous step down from O.
Quite the astute observation
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No news during internet outage other than Hulka has stated this search is screwing with his golf game.
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Today's update. It is really hot. Hulka golfing.
Loyalty poster Combes claims Huss not only accepted the job, but was on zoom call with a recruit.
Then went home and his wife kicked his ass and he backed out.
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Today's update. It is really hot. Hulka golfing.
Loyalty poster Combes claims Hess not only accepted the job, but was on zoom call with a recruit.
Then went home and his wife kicked his ass and he backed out.
Combes. The definition of orange sweater vest CU
He’s right though
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That is hilarious, but not so much. Unless we are waiting on an NBA asst, we seem to be out of candidates here.
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This thread has had some entertaining moments for all the wrong reasons.
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Very fcking strange. Meet Coach Huss.
Oh, he gone.
Huss is ranked 4th in country now. Would have been nice get.
https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Basketball/CompositeCoachRankings/ (https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Basketball/CompositeCoachRankings/)
Our old staff is in the 50s for each getting one guy in '21 class.
Chet not ranked.
You have to get credit for a Top 150 or so guy I think to get on list.
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Some brilliant person posted this elsewhere:
During our history, we have hired exactly one assistant who had been a proven high level high major recruiter. And he happened to be between jobs after a failed, somewhat scandal tinged tenure as the head coach at a low / mid major. Candidates with the qualifications of Orlando Antigua are not often readily available.
Here is a glance at some of our other better recruiting assistant coaches:
It was a dramatically different different era, but Howie Braun was hired straight out of college. He handled all the recruiting for Doug Mills and Harry Combes from 1937 to 1967.
Jimmy Collins, who played for Lou Henson at New Mexico State, was serving as a probation officer and volunteer elementary school volunteer coach in Chicago when Henson hired him. Collins helped land Lowell Hamilton, Nick Anderson, Kendal Gill, Kenny Battle, Marcus Liberty, Deon Thomas, Kiwane Garris, et al.
Tony Yates was an assistant coach at Cincinnati when Gene Bartow hired him. He helped Bartow and Henson recruit the likes of Audie Matthews, Eddie Johnson, the original Mark Smith, Derek Harper, Efrem Winters, Bruce Douglas, and Ken Norman, among others.
Nat Frazier (Nick Weatherspoon, Alvin O'Neal, Billy Morris, Kris Berymon) was an assistant under Harv Schmidt from 1967-1971. He came to us from Delaware State.
Frazier went on to the had job at then D-2 Morgan State. He recruited Marvin "The Human Eraser" Webster and won a D-2 Championship there.
Bruce Weber gave Jerrance Howard his first assistant coach job. "Snacks" had been a support staff coach at UK. He was also coached by and/or played for Lon Kruger, Bill Self, and Weber at UI. He is credited with turning recruiting around at UI in 2009.
Reports indicated Rob Judson helped Lon Kruger land Sergio McClain, Marcus Griffin, Frank Williams and Brian Cook. Judson is a UI alum who played for Henson and had been an assistant at Bradley.
Norm Roberts and Billy Gillispie came with Bill Self from Tulsa.
We pried Chin Coleman away from UIC.
Jamall Walker (JCL, Leron Black) followed John Groce from Ohio U. btw, I think Walker is undervalued by fans. He faced stiff competition from a couple head coaches in the St. Louis / Metro East areas and lost a couple commitments with the coaching change.
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Hope the NBA thing has legs.
Would be nice to get a guy who has gotten guys to the league and/or knows the league.
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That is hilarious, but not so much. Unless we are waiting on an NBA asst, we seem to be out of candidates here.
Out of candidates? Shit, I'll do it for my current pay and promise to get you all the hottest goss from AAU tourneys.
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I stopped paying attention to this shit show.
The last I heard (sorry if this was posted) was that we had a chance to pry away Dennis Gates but that the AD office refused the buy out and salary.
What was posted about Huss earlier was accurate...but the why (wife saying no) was that one of their kids couldn’t get into UofI
I don’t really think they got much cooking but the leaks are getting tightened as they keep getting embarrassed
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Someone at Loyalty hinted at Gates without mentioning his name, but backed off. He just got an extension so that one seemed off.
On Huss, ironic that admissions would now cost us an assistant coach. One would think that sort of thing could be worked out. Another case of defeating ourself.
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Bio indicates Huss has two daughters, Nicky and Mary. Guessing Nicky is the older one.
https://www.hudl.com/profile/13890057/Nicky-Huss
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Wow thats totally not creepy at all
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What. Someone says Huss did not come because his kid could not get in UI. Does that add up?
Public information seems to indicate his older daughter is a top 50 class of 2023 basketball prospect.
What is creepy? Assistant coaches sharing family info in their public bios? Or public prospect databases? If that sort of thing creeps you out, you should stay far away from fan boards and social media.
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How would they know as a sophomore in HS she could not get into UI?
I think that excuse sounds very strange unless she is wanting into an extremely competitive major.
If she is a high D1 athlete the excuse sounds even more non plausible.
When was the last time we had a kid not be eligible?
The family pulled him back for whatever reasons. Odd that it got that far.
Edit- Ok, I watched her Hudl video. I have seen a lot of high level girls AAU and HS and have seen a lot of kids who were D1 caliber. Most recently the frosh girl at Iowa who led the nation in scoring this year, and I know girls who were just in the national title game.
This Huss kid is very very good for a HS sophomore. Easily a D1 prospect. Has a textbook threeball shot and release, some size, hands, footwork, and moves OK. I am sure the Illinois Women's team would find a spot for her. The fam just didn't want to make the move.
Too bad it didn't work out. Best to them.
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There’s nothing at all “creepy” about it. The wife squashed it and that’s what he had to report back. It was about as done as done gets
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Don't mind Q97. He's insane.
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There’s nothing at all “creepy” about it. The wife squashed it and that’s what he had to report back. It was about as done as done gets
That had to be a crazy few days.
Too bad. Would have been a great get.
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Don't mind Q97. He's insane.
You're projecting.... again
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That had to be a crazy few days.
Too bad. Would have been a great get.
I mean...maybe that was just an excuse too ? Perhaps she said in private “ I’m not fucking moving there”. Idk?
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Who knows.
They have a great life there at their alma mater in a metro area with years of friends network built up.
That kid likely has a lot of options,especially as a legit D1 player. She may want to go to Creighton. It's a good program. The stud girl from Richwoods went there I think. Have no idea why they think she wouldn't get into UI unless she has major grade and Act issues which I doubt, or maybe it is a major that is really restrictive. Illinois is a good school for sure.
I know it is not like Iowa where my kid goes and it was easy to get in (thankfully).
Lol.
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How the hell have they not hired someone yet must be nba ?
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How the hell have they not hired someone yet must be nba ?
One hope is the guy they have lined up is still coaching. 7 teams left in NBA so could be anybody.
Otherwise who the fck knows......
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Other boards claiming Whitman says they have a guy so STFU.
Guess is Anderson who left DePaul; or Randle or Ivey from NBA.
Other boards also very indignant if anyone questions Hulka, our program, or AD.
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Other boards claiming Whitman says they have a guy so STFU.
Guess is Anderson who left DePaul; or Randle or Ivey from NBA.
Other boards also very indignant if anyone questions Hulka, our program, or AD.
We need some news around here. The conversations in the deuce are insufferable.
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We need some news around here. The conversations in the deuce are insufferable.
You don't like IlliniGrillingHQ2?
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There is either no news or the leaks have been plugged.
The AD did fuel speculation by saying it is going as planned and it is a timing issue.
NBA guy waiting until his team is eliminated from the playoffs?
Some other timing issue?
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You don't like IlliniGrillingHQ2?
That, I like. Lots of great info there. It's the rest of the shit that is just, shit.
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Order of most sensible new hire based on "timing" and other hiring criteria for a P-5 school looking for a new Asst Coach.
Ivey - Experience, wants to lead a program in college, has the NBA resume to sell, is still in playoffs-so timing has to wait.
Anderson-Cache with coaches in AAU/HS ball in Illinois and development of players proven already, timing is issue as he left for personal reasons....?
Randle- Connections obviously, NBA fast tracked so far, European experience (Tommy Lloyd type of recruiter maybe) and still in playoffs, so we have to wait?
Anyone else still in the playoffs with heavy coaching experience is not an option, most want NBA gigs, and there will be a few so why not wait and interview?
Wild Card - Hammon from Spurs, the TrailBlazers would be wise to hire her, and the name would fit obviously...she is due and has proven herself, way outta the college league however, she stays in the NBA.
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"Illini Inquirer’s Ryan Easterling reports that Tyler Underwood, son of Brad Underwood, has received a waiver to represent Illinois as a recruiter on the road until Illinois fills its lingering assistant coach vacancy"
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"Illini Inquirer’s Ryan Easterling reports that Tyler Underwood, son of Brad Underwood, has received a waiver to represent Illinois as a recruiter on the road until Illinois fills its lingering assistant coach vacancy"
Little Hulka needed a summer job.
Sooooo, we have Hulka's buddy from some junior college 20 years ago, Chest Bump Chet, and Little Hulka.
At least none of these guys will leave.
Original post edited.
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The Randle from the NBA that you mentioned. Would that be Brian Randle ?
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The Randle from the NBA that you mentioned. Would that be Brian Randle ?
Yes. One theory on other boards is he is still involved in playoffs so they can’t announce him.
The other NBA guy mentioned a lot was Ivey. His season is done and they are having Little Hulka fill in now, so it can’t be him. The other possibility being mentioned is Tim Anderson who apparently is training guys for draft so not available right now. I don’ t know a lot about him and whether he did well at DePaul or not.
Who knows. Whoever it is has another commitment of some type right now.
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Other than playing for Illinois, punching a wall, and his 1+ years as an NBA asst coach his resume' looks a little short on recruiting and coaching to be starting a college coaching career at the power 5 level.
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There is no one who ever would have thought it would come to this as the Loyola Debacle was tipping off.
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Other than playing for Illinois, punching a wall, and his 1+ years as an NBA asst coach his resume' looks a little short on recruiting and coaching to be starting a college coaching career at the power 5 level.
Well nether Chet or Alexander, or Little Hulka has ever recruited a Top 150 guy. They may be going all in on the loyalty route.
I have to say having your college age kid do recruiting at a P5 program is pretty strange.
Maybe they will surprise. Maybe it will all work out fine. We will make tourney this year I am pretty sure.
It doesn't take a lot to do that most years.
Grab a couple Top 100-150 kids each year. Fill in with a transfer and/or Top 200 kid you develop. Don't fuck it up. Finish .500 in BT. You are a 9/10 seed. This isn't hard.
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There is no one who ever would have thought it would come to this as the Loyola Debacle was tipping off.
I think B-Reel probably saw the writing on the wall after O got sent to juvey hall/detention, and had to write I Will Not x High-End Recruits a hundred times on Junior Guenther's chalkboard.
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There is no one who ever would have thought it would come to this as the Loyola Debacle was tipping off.
At this point as an Illini fan who isn't expecting the worst?
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At this point as an Illini fan who isn't expecting the worst?
Exactly.
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Where's Smitty ?
LolIllinois
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At this point as an Illini fan who isn't expecting the worst?
I think we will be OK. A middling P5 team.
A consistent 8-ish seed to bubble team each year. Make tourney more often than not. Win a tourney game once in awhile. Maybe a S16 again before we die. LOL.
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A couple more candidates:
Mike LaTulip and Jaylon Tate.
They were popular recruiting hosts when they were here.
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It's not important that they be liked. It's important that they know where to make the drop.
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It's not important that they be liked. It's important that they know where to make the drop.
apparently there's a superhero called bombastic bag man, or its a skin in a video game... i dunno, just came up when I google searched for bag man, which I assume coach U is doing the same
(https://i.imgur.com/vKEU4Iw.png)
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With the court ruling, NIL, transfer portal, OTE, etc.; bag men per se are passe.
The Duke / UK model of annualy reloading on bought 5 star talent is over.
The best bag men were always skilled salesmen. Now, what they are selling should be a little more over the table.
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With the court ruling, NIL, transfer portal, OTE, etc.; bag men per se are passe.
The Duke / UK model of annualy reloading on bought 5 star talent is over.
The best bag men were always skilled salesmen. Now, what they are selling should be a little more over the table.
You're kidding, right?
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You're kidding, right?
Which part?
Who needs bags of cash when you can openly get them an endorsement deal with Custard Cup and state of the art educational support?
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That's not funny, ray. Jesus Christ.
Both guys have a future in coaching. Someone actually suggested LaTulip.
Seriously, those who have a track record admit they don't know, but they are guessing Tim Anderson.
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Which part?
Who needs bags of cash when you can openly get them an endorsement deal with Custard Cup and state of the art educational support?
You still need to have access to the cash to do that. Illinois is still not going to match Duke or Kentucky at this point. Or tO$U or MI....
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You still need to have access to the cash to do that. Illinois is still not going to match Duke or Kentucky at this point. Or tO$U or MI....
To me, bag man implies someone who delivers banned, under the table payments.
It is going to be interesting to see how all the changes shake out.
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Tim Anderson rumors picking up.
Here is the Chicago guy FWIW.
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Tim Anderson rumors picking up.
Here is the Chicago guy FWIW.
wow poaching coaches from DePaul... we're really rocking this
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Well, apparently he left DePaul and is doing pre draft training.
Hence, the delay in blowing your mind.
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Tim Anderson rumors picking up.
Here is the Chicago guy FWIW.
The White Sox shortstop?
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The White Sox shortstop?
We are hiring him, too.
We will have two Tim Andersons, a Little Hulka, a Chest Bump Chet, Alexander the Gym Rat, and Daddy Hulka.
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We are hiring him, too.
We will have two Tim Andersons, a Little Hulka, a Chest Bump Chet, Alexander the Gym Rat, and Daddy Hulka.
And two Irvins.
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Well, Peoriaman, who is pretty much a dick ,self appointed insider, and shameless Whitman and Hulka fluffer claims it will be Anderson, and then Nick Irvin in Alexander's old spot.
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Well, Peoriaman, who is pretty much a dick ,self appointed insider, and shameless Whitman and Hulka fluffer claims it will be Anderson, and then Nick Irvin in Alexander's old spot.
Don’t know if it’s true, but it does make sense. 🤷🏻♂️
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Don’t know if it’s true, but it does make sense. ♂️
The Irvin hire has been mentioned as a possibility apparently for awhile per Breal and others.
The Anderson thing does make sense in terms of the timing delay.
Maybe it will all work out.
Not exactly mind blowing as promised, but could be productive staff and keep us competitive.
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The Irvin hire has been mentioned as a possibility apparently for awhile per Breal and others.
The Anderson thing does make sense in terms of the timing delay.
Maybe it will all work out.
Not exactly mind blowing as promised, but could be productive staff and keep us competitive.
Oh I agree. I was expecting much better than this. It’s laughable how or why Underwood made the “mind-blowing” comment. Then to just have THIS be the outcome. Pretty disappointing indeed….. if true that is.
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Dennis Gates leaving a HC position would have been a pretty fucking big deal.
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Dennis Gates leaving a HC position would have been a pretty fucking big deal.
fuckin' a!
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The White Sox shortstop?
Is he gonna epicly toss the bat every time we hit a 3?
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So I actually like Anderson as an assistant option. I know some of you hate Chicago, but the guy talked a former NBA player into sending his nephew to fucking DePaul, so I'd like to see what he can do with 3x the marketability.
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So I actually like Anderson as an assistant option. I know some of you hate Chicago, but the guy talked a former NBA player into sending his nephew to fucking DePaul, so I'd like to see what he can do with 3x the marketability.
He played with Will Bynum and obviously knows the CPL and AAU. Could be alright.
I don't hate Chicago and you have to recruit it, but the players are often over rated and the people associated with them it seems are a bigger PITA than the norm.
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Well, Peoriaman, who is pretty much a dick ,self appointed insider, and shameless Whitman and Hulka fluffer claims it will be Anderson, and then Nick Irvin in Alexander's old spot.
That ass clown is the reason I’m an Cesspooler
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Peoriaman is not an insider. Trust me.
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Haven’t been around in a few months. What did I miss?
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So we’re still trying to fill those spots?
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The White Sox shortstop?
Probably a better choice than most. Dude had charisma. And could probably start for us at PG. does he have eligibility?
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My guess is I’ve missed nothing and nothing noteworthy has happened. Illini (other than football) haven’t shown up in my Google feed for at least two months.
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My guess is I’ve missed nothing and nothing noteworthy has happened. Illini (other than football) haven’t shown up in my Google feed for at least two months.
Nothing is happening here. Do you have any grilling tips?
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My guess is I’ve missed nothing and nothing noteworthy has happened. Illini (other than football) haven’t shown up in my Google feed for at least two months.
well its the off season so...
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So we’re still trying to fill those spots?
If Brad plays this right, he can get a bump in salary, and a separate salary for Tyler, for his final year in Champaign.
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Nothing is happening here. Do you have any grilling tips?
Keep the grill clean and hot. Season well before hand.
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well its the off season so...
Which would generally be the time you fill vacancies on the coaching staff, amirite?
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What kind of grills do they use at Outback?
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What kind of grills do they use at Outback?
More pertinent to this thread: how long did it take Outback to replace you when you left, Tempo? Longer than it is taking Underachiever to find a new assistant?
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Which would generally be the time you fill vacancies on the coaching staff, amirite?
KU VC Jeremy Case has been Jerrance Howard's interim replacement since early April.
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How likely is Tyler to get a DUI?
The players hangout is The Red Lion. I suppose one could go in and observe.
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Coach Hulka gets a Gavitt Games match-up at Marquette against that Smart guy. One of the guys that we could have had, but didn't want.
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https://twitter.com/illinimbb/status/1409977190507290624?s=21
🤦🏻♂️ But, why?!
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https://twitter.com/illinimbb/status/1409977190507290624?s=21
🤦🏻♂️ But, why?!
Outbid Self?
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Didn't take long. Brandin Podziemski, commited recruit, on Twitter.
(https://i.ibb.co/XbhXmnx/Screenshot-20210629-173205.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7Xwv73t)
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Didn't take long. Brandin Podziemski, commited recruit, on Twitter.
(https://i.ibb.co/XbhXmnx/Screenshot-20210629-173205.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7Xwv73t)
Good for him. Give him an A in marketing. Hope every used car dealership in town runs commercials with out basketball players. Give Curbelo enough Champaign money it makes Kofi regret going pro.
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https://twitter.com/illinimbb/status/1409977190507290624?s=21
🤦🏻♂️ But, why?!
For the same reason Jared and Ivanka had tremendous influence in the White House?
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Oh, I can’t fucking wait to buy Wisconsin polack shit. Sign me up.
Maybe sell cheese and timeshares in some ice fishing holes.
He needs a nickname.
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https://twitter.com/illinimbb/status/1409977190507290624?s=21
🤦🏻♂️ But, why?!
Jesus Christ.
I thought he was going to be a grad asst.
They actually gave him a real job?
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This strangely feels like the beginning of the end.
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This strangely feels like the beginning of the end.
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/herald-review.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/1d/71d4fa23-ca3a-5d33-bb95-96d0686ad907/5f9238ab3ac8e.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C799)
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Jesus Christ.
I thought he was going to be a grad asst.
They actually gave him a real job?
He already has two masters degrees.
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He already has two masters degrees.
He will be 25 next month. He has been hanging around three schools for 7 years or so.
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/76615069/7-years-of-college-down-the-drain.jpg)
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Is that the job they were going to move Gentry to before he bolted?
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Jesus Christ.
I thought he was going to be a grad asst.
They actually gave him a real job?
reading this article now makes me laugh, $hitman is always full of it
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Josh-Whitman-media-roundtable-Brad-Underwood-Illini-basketball-assistant-coaching-search-166638749/
“I know there’s a lot of speculation around the third position,” Whitman said. “I’m sure that people are uneasy, asking a lot of questions. What I can tell you is simply just relax. It’s going to be fine. It’s going to be fine. Everything is actually moving according to the plan that Brad has. He’s working his plan. I will tell you that it is simply a timing issue, it’s nothing more than that. We’ll work through this. Over the course of the summer, we’ll have more information as we’re able to share it but this is a great opportunity at a great program. We’ve got a great staff and we will identify a third staff member here very soon that I know will get people excited. I just encourage people to let it go, we’re going to be fine and it really is more about timing than anything else.”
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Going to give Hulka an extension and raise.
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reading this article now makes me laugh, $hitman is always full of it
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Josh-Whitman-media-roundtable-Brad-Underwood-Illini-basketball-assistant-coaching-search-166638749/
The link also shows a link to a story about Dawson Garcia visiting.
That could turn out to be a bigger story than some empty pr comment from Whitman.
Of course, it could amount to nothing too. lol
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The link also shows a link to a story about Dawson Garcia visiting.
That could turn out to be a bigger story than some empty pr comment from Whitman.
Of course, it could amount to nothing too. lol
Agree. He would be very good get.
We could be Top 20 team.
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Dawson-Garcia-Illinois-basketball-Illini-visit-Marquette-transfer-167187691/ (https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Dawson-Garcia-Illinois-basketball-Illini-visit-Marquette-transfer-167187691/)
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Agree. He would be very good get.
We could be Top 20 team.
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Dawson-Garcia-Illinois-basketball-Illini-visit-Marquette-transfer-167187691/ (https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Dawson-Garcia-Illinois-basketball-Illini-visit-Marquette-transfer-167187691/)
I'm sure Hulka Jr. will lock him up like a chinese finger trap!
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I'm sure Hulka Jr. will lock him up like a chinese finger trap!
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/news-gazette.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/1d/31dd9b9f-11e2-57e4-9a43-a3d17eb9f6e7/604fcfde0c24e.image.jpg?resize=750%2C687)
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He will be 25 next month. He has been hanging around three schools for 7 years or so.
one year at Stephen F. Austin, medical redshirt.
one at Oklahoma State
4 here, including a transfer redshirt.
three degrees from the University of Illinois
*bachelor's in sociology in 2019
*master's in recreation, sport and tourism in 2020
*master's in management; College of Business in May.
He could have even taken a jcl /covid 7th year?
As for grad assistant, a third masters? a DBA?
My first reaction was ugh, Miles Smith. The thing is, this is a staff position-- not an assistant, he knows the ropes here, and he is obviously more than qualified. The position is director of recruiting and scouting. Did we have that before? Sounds like something new.
https://www.si.com/college/illinois/basketball/tyler-underwood-to-return-to-illini-for-sixth-season-july-21-2020
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tyler-underwood-1.html
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I would disagree that he is more than qualified to be on staff at a P5 program to be Director of Recruiting and Scouting.
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I would disagree that he is more than qualified to be on staff at a P5 program to be Director of Recruiting and Scouting.
Despite the title, from what I can gather, it is meant to be an entry level position.
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Lol. Reread this post, and tell me it doesn’t sound incredibly stupid.
Despite the title. Jesus Christ.
Yes, Director of Recruiting and Scouting sounds totally entry level. Like mailroom shit.
Jesus Christ Nichi.
Here is my take: Tyler Uberwood had apparently already been working as the third recruiter via waiver for free. Special rules this summer allow them to use staffers as coaches, so long as they don't exceed 4. They have Brad Uberwood and 2 assistants. That is three. By creating a new administrative position for Tyler, they can have him as the 4th summer coach, until the new one can be named. Something like that.
Believe it or not, guys with decades of high major experience are not lining up to accept noncoaching staff positions. From what I can gather, those jobs are generally entry level, or go to retreads. Tyler Underwood, with 3 UI degrees, is probably more qualified than Jerrance Howard was when he got first staff job with Billy G at Texas A&M. I bet his pay is commensurate with his education and experience. I may be wrong, but that is my take, and I am sticking with it for now.
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Here is my take: Tyler Uberwood had apparently already been working as the third recruiter via waiver for free. Special rules this summer allow them to use staffers as coaches, so long as they don't exceed 4. They have Brad Uberwood and 2 assistants. That is three. By creating a new administrative position for Tyler, they can have him as the 4th summer coach, until the new one can be named. Something like that.
Believe it or not, guys with decades of high major experience are not lining up to accept noncoaching staff positions. From what I can gather, those jobs are generally entry level, or go to retreads. Tyler Underwood, with 3 UI degrees, is probably more qualified than Jerrance Howard was when he got first staff job with Billy G at Texas A&M. I bet his pay is commensurate with his education and experience. I may be wrong, but that is my take, and I am sticking with it for now.
They can put whoever the fck they want on as support staff. They can hire 10 guys.
That doesn't make him qualified. His 3 degrees you have a hard on about do not make him qualified to recruit or scout.
He was not usable player.
He has no more knowledge of the game than most guys here.
He is Hulka's kid. That's it.
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He was not usable player.
He has no more knowledge of the game than most guys here.
He is Hulka's kid. That's it.
You are right. The best player always make the best coaches, and the best coaches were all good players. TU was not a B1G level player, so he can't possibly be a B1G level staffer.
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You are right. The best player always make the best coaches, and the best coaches were all good players. TU was not a B1G level player, so he can't possibly be a B1G level staffer.
Actually since we are hiring pretty much anybody right now with main requirement we think they will not leave- they should have hired little Opie Hulka's friend who sent Hulka the metrics that convinced this dumbass his defense totally sucked.
Hulka and Gentry had the 155th worst defense in the country at OSU. Took him 2 1/2 years of getting his ass reamed to change it here. He still is weak defensive coach and until that changes we will never make an NCAA run.
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https://twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1410680519096999940?s=19
Kofi Cockburn enters transfer portal
https://www.wcia.com/sports/report-kofi-cockburn-to-enter-transfer-portal-keep-his-name-in-nba-draft/
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"When you think about our international student population, most of them are here on F-1 student visas. That means they are here to be a student, and if they earn income and if they jeopardize that F-1 status, they have a problem." https://herald-review.com/sports/college/illini/watch-now-illinois-athletes-ready-to-open-for-business-under-new-ncaa-rules/article_8c2e36f3-77f6-5e06-9183-2a985cd0497d.html
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https://twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1410680519096999940?s=19
Kofi Cockburn enters transfer portal
https://www.wcia.com/sports/report-kofi-cockburn-to-enter-transfer-portal-keep-his-name-in-nba-draft/
wow so much for loyalty these days lol
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https://twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1410680519096999940?s=19
Kofi Cockburn enters transfer portal
https://www.wcia.com/sports/report-kofi-cockburn-to-enter-transfer-portal-keep-his-name-in-nba-draft/
LuLz
Hope you guys enjoyed the 1 seed and the quick tourney exit, because Underwood has probably reached his zenith here at Illinois.
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https://twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1410680519096999940?s=19
Kofi Cockburn enters transfer portal
https://www.wcia.com/sports/report-kofi-cockburn-to-enter-transfer-portal-keep-his-name-in-nba-draft/
Illinois basketball has been a dumpster fire this off-season….
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Illinois basketball has been a dumpster fire for the vast majority of the last 15 years
Fixed your post
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Fixed your post
Thanks man. Although COVID messed up a great 2020 season with tourney being cancelled and last year’s season was a success, but tournament exit was terrible. This off-season has been a complete fucking disaster!
https://twitter.com/barstoolill/status/1410692095325708292?s=21
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https://twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1410680519096999940?s=19
Kofi Cockburn enters transfer portal
https://www.wcia.com/sports/report-kofi-cockburn-to-enter-transfer-portal-keep-his-name-in-nba-draft/
WTF? Thanks Orlando. Flush with $$ already....
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I, too, hate nepotism.
Guenther Lite has treadmarks on his forehead. I wonder who'll take the job when Brad goes to KSU in nine months.
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I, too, hate nepotism.
Guenther Lite has treadmarks on his forehead. I wonder who'll take the job when Brad goes to KSU in nine months.
Shaka Smart?
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I, too, hate nepotism.
Guenther Lite has treadmarks on his forehead. I wonder who'll take the job when Brad goes to KSU in nine months.
So u think it’s a pretty done deal this happens?
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I see what you did. You just sent up the Tempo signal. He just ejaculated.
He seems a little angry, an ejac might just help him
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There was a job description up for a while. Director of recruiting, scouting, and analytics. Looks like 12 hours a day of grunt work. A lot of video work and reports. Pretty much what I thought. An administrative support position with a fancy title to look good on a resume. Glorified gopher. Somewhere between video coordinator and director of basketball operation.
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Comparing an administrative support role in basketball to offensive coordinator in football is idiotic. No other word for it.
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Nov 1, 2018 A Connecticut Superior Court judge ruled Thursday that UConn did not violate the state's ban on nepotism when it hired football coach Randy Edsall's son as an assistant coach.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25148147/uconn-huskies-randy-edsall-hiring-son-no-violation-nepotism-ban
Corey Edsall enters his fourth season as the tight ends coach at UConn in 2020.
https://uconnhuskies.com/staff-directory/corey-edsall/340
2021 Middle Tennessee has defended its hiring of Brent Stockstill, son of head coach Rick Stockstill, as the program's wide receivers coach against charges from a local news organization that MTSU violated state nepotism law.
https://footballscoop.com/news/middle-tennessee-defends-brent-stockstill-hiring-against-nepotism-charges
2016 Iowa has rehired the son-in-law of football coach Kirk Ferentz to a staff position, three years after he departed following questions about nepotism.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2016/04/29/iowa-rehires-kirk-ferentzs-son-in-law-for-staff-position/83719780/
Nepotism never works
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But his boy has a sweet job tho.
Pfft. Entry level.
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Director of something does not equal administrative support. At least, not in any organization I'm familiar with.
Director suggests management. Not support.
Not sure why you would choose this hill to die on. It is a job like director of basketball operations (dobo), video coordinator, or recruiting coordinator. They can't recruit off campus. They generally can't be directly involved with skill instruction. They are not one of the three coaching / recruiting assistants. The only thing they can be is administrative support staff.
Job Details Description:Assistant Coach, Director of Recruiting, Scouting and Analytics -Division of Intercollegiate Athletics
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Game & Practice Footage (percentage of time: 80%)Oversee production of instructional material for student-athletes, including management of game footage, including shooting and editing, for evaluation and instruction of coaching staff and team. Maintain working knowledge of scouting, recruiting and video software. Coordinate with coaching staff to organize and produce scouting tapes for recruiting purposes. Independently create a fully integrated self-scout report, compiling video clips obtained from practice sessions and in-game play along with written analysis obtained from offensive and defensive coordinators. There are approximately 80 reports prepared each week during the sport season. Independently develop, create, produce and update all motivational videos pieces targeting coaches, recruits and current student athletes appearing on various websites, social media sites and recruiting promotional and information pieces Collect, compile and log recruit videos during recruiting weekends, and provide access to coaches via network Import practice and game footage into Sports Code. Marking, cutting and editing footage for instruction to student athletes.Assist Director of Basketball Video in all areasVideo Staff Oversight:
(percentage of time: 20%)Direct and oversee all duties and responsibilities regarding Basketball video game analysis, including coordinating staff schedules, hire and select members of video staff, assign and evaluate work. Knowledge, Skills, and Abilities:Maintain knowledge of and compliance with, specific NCAA, Big Ten Conference, and institution rules that relate to this position.Knowledge of statistical analytics such as KenPomKnowledge and use of HUDL SportsCode packageKnowledge of iPad usage by team and coaching staff membersExperience with Adobe CC Suite, specifically Premier and Photoshop.Ability to work under pressure and meet deadlines.Good verbal and written communication skills. Ability to work in team environment.
QUALIFICATIONS
Education: Required: Bachelor's degree in communications, computer technology, creative services or related field
Experience: Required: Two years of collegiate coaching experience at any level of relevant administrative experience
ENVIRONMENTAL DEMANDS Will work nights and weekends, will travel
SALARY Salary will be commensurate with experience
https://g.co/kgs/7bQzCC.
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We can never have nice things :(
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I'm not really going to give a fuck about Junior getting a hip title if we run into Kofi in next year's NCAA tournament.
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There are a lot of moving parts / unknown variables with Kofi. Info we dunno and is really none of our bidness. I am not sure he is even still eligible to return to college. Still, I would not be happy right now if I am Oscar Tshiebwe.
I would hate to see Kofi play against us. If we can somehow get Dawson Garcia; that would soften the blow. The loyalty alleged insider I used to think was Breal seems fairly confident on Tim Anderson and he (Anderson) might have some influence.
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I'm pretty disappointed in the lack of real panic here about Kofi.
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I'm pretty disappointed in the lack of real panic here about Kofi.
The good news is we are now past the deadline for anyone else to enter the portal until ???
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I'm pretty disappointed in the lack of real panic here about Kofi.
I think we assume he was gone weeks ago once Giorgi and then Antigua left and he was wanting to go pro.
Not surprising he is not making impression in camps and workouts.
I am not even sure we are much better with him staying.
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There are a lot of moving parts / unknown variables with Kofi. Info we dunno and is really none of our bidness. I am not sure he is even still eligible to return to college. Still, I would not be happy right now if I am Oscar Tshiebwe.
I would hate to see Kofi play against us. If we can somehow get Dawson Garcia; that would soften the blow. The loyalty alleged insider I used to think was Breal seems fairly confident on Tim Anderson and he (Anderson) might have some influence.
How is it none of our bidness?
He shouldn't tweet every fcking thing that comes into his head then. 🙄
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So what's the point of having Underwood? No one wants to be here. Having doubts with this dude.
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I'm pretty disappointed in the lack of real panic here about Kofi.
When you've already been hit with 5 punches to the face having a drink spilled on you isn't so much a panic moment as a mild insult to laugh at.
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I am not even sure we are much better with him staying.
There it is! Our first "we will be better off without him" type comment!
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How is it none of our bidness?
He shouldn't tweet every fcking thing that comes into his head then. 🙄
Let's say someone earned cash from selling their mementoes. Would that make them ineligible? Could it be overlooked because name, image, and likeness has passed? I don't know. My guess is it would be overlooked or there might be some kind of hand slap.
How about and any expense money they might have been advanced for workouts? Could that be repaid from from nil earnings? This is possibly further complicated if someone is not a US citizen or permanent resident. The earlier article I linked indicated foreign nationals here on F-1 student visas should be wary of earning money from name, image, and likeness, as this could jeopardize their status.
There are also P-1 and 0-1 student athlete visas. The P-1 visas have the same potential issue as F-1. O-1 visas are more 'work flexible'. My best guess is a foreign student athlete on an O-1 visa could probably earn nil money. So the answer might be it depends on which kind of student visa, but that is just my take, and I might be full of shit. It would not be the first the time. I have been wrong at least a couple times this year, though I suspect it might be the Pleiadeans' fault.
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Let's say someone earned cash from selling their mementoes. Would that make them ineligible? Could it be overlooked because name, image, and likeness has passed? I don't know. My guess is it would be overlooked or there might be some kind of hand slap.
How about and any expense money they might have been advanced for workouts? Could that be repaid from from nil earnings? This is possibly further complicated if someone is not a US citizen or permanent resident. The earlier article I linked indicated foreign nationals here on F-1 student visas should be wary of earning money from name, image, and likeness, as this could jeopardize their status.
There are also P-1 and 0-1 student athlete visas. The P-1 visas have the same potential issue as F-1. O-1 visas are more 'work flexible'. My best guess is a foreign student athlete on an O-1 visa could probably earn nil money. So the answer might be it depends on which kind of student visa, but that is just my take, and I might be full of shit. It would not be the first the time. I have been wrong at least a couple times this year, though I suspect it might be the Pleiadeans' fault.
Agree you are full of shit.
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Ultimate delayed reaction.
delayed...no.
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https://twitter.com/papicurbelo11/status/1410661135976742925?s=20
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I'm pretty disappointed in the lack of real panic here about Kofi.
I already thought he decided to leave and stay in the draft... /shrug
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The last day to withdraw is July 7, and entering the portal doesn't necessarily mean he won't be back.
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The last day to withdraw is July 7, and entering the portal doesn't necessarily mean he won't be back.
then why put your name in the portal???? Makes no sense. He's not coming back here. Rather just see him go pro.
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Having Kofi is great for winning a bunch of games in the B1G and then losing in the tourney to a team that can exploit the very weaknesses that keep him from being an NBA draft pick.
It just doesn’t matter if he can go for 20 and 10 every night with a ton of awesome dunks when he can’t pass out of the post effectively and can’t guard anyone mobile. His presence also necessitates a slowdown in both the half court and transition because so much of the offense runs though him.
I said it all of last season: Of the better teams in the nation, Illinois had one of the most traditionally constructed rosters.
If Illinois wants to compete for Final Fours/National titles we need elite guard play/three point shooting and mobile athletic bigs who can guard multiple positions without switching, protect the rim, rim run, and rebound to get the guards in a position to score in transition.
And at least one of them needs to be able to stretch the defense with the ability to shoot from deep. Giorgi and Kofi just weren’t those guys. Grandison could but he’s a liability in other areas. He’s a below the rim 3 playing the 4.
If we could add Garcia, we’d have Hawkins, Garcia, and Payne filling the roles of Kofi and Giorgi. And Grandison is back. Our guard play should be good to great next year but lack of length will be a problem unless the lengthy freshmen step up.
The key to the season might be getting something out of Hutcherson on the wing to help that out a little.
With Garcia next year’s team may not win as many games in the B1G, but would certainly have the ingredients for a deep tourney run.
I fucking loved watching Kofi play basketball for Illinois, but our blueprint should be what Baylor put on the floor this past year. I’m all in favor in continuing to move in that direction.
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Having Kofi is great for winning a bunch of games in the B1G and then losing in the tourney to a team that can exploit the very weaknesses that keep him from being an NBA draft pick.
It just doesn’t matter if he can go for 20 and 10 every night with a ton of awesome dunks when he can’t pass out of the post effectively and can’t guard anyone mobile. His presence also necessitates a slowdown in both the half court and transition because so much of the offense runs though him.
I said it all of last season: Of the better teams in the nation, Illinois had one of the most traditionally constructed rosters.
If Illinois wants to compete for Final Fours/National titles we need elite guard play/three point shooting and mobile athletic bigs who can guard multiple positions without switching, protect the rim, rim run, and rebound to get the guards in a position to score in transition.
And at least one of them needs to be able to stretch the defense with the ability to shoot from deep. Giorgi and Kofi just weren’t those guys. Grandison could but he’s a liability in other areas. He’s a below the rim 3 playing the 4.
If we could add Garcia, we’d have Hawkins, Garcia, and Payne filling the roles of Kofi and Giorgi. And Grandison is back. Our guard play should be good to great next year but lack of length will be a problem unless the lengthy freshmen step up.
The key to the season might be getting something out of Hutcherson on the wing to help that out a little.
With Garcia next year’s team may not win as many games in the B1G, but would certainly have the ingredients for a deep tourney run.
I fucking loved watching Kofi play basketball for Illinois, but our blueprint should be what Baylor put on the floor this past year. I’m all in favor in continuing to move in that direction.
Agree. Pin this post by Custard.
We need to become a modern team. Watch the NBA and this is what college teams are all moving to. Yes, Kofi can get his and is a beast, but not sure it makes a better team. That was issue last year- we really only had two scorers and both could be shut down. Kofi had 5 assists last year. He is a black hole and cannot guard the PnR.
This is why I think we might even be better in some ways this year. Plummer is a legit 3 point shooter. Frazier will get more looks. The kids coming in are shooters. Hutcherson is an unknown but the reports are he is a shooter and a player. Grandison and DaMonte can shoot. Of course Curbelo is a true PG. Ayo was not in any way shape or form. He was a very good scoring guard.
We should be taking 25-27 threes a game - not 17.
We will certainly have nights where we die by the three, but our ceiling will be higher.
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The Illini are going to be better without Ayo AND Kofi. Got it.
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The Illini are going to be better without Ayo AND Kofi. Got it.
Never said that.
In some ways they will be, though, and Custard is right. They could easily win a couple games in NCAA. Will likely be in middle of BT and be a 7-9 seed.
Go ahead and continue the Ayo worship thing though. He and the team had a historic collapse. Will not take that much to do better.
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Someone should develop a 7 Stages of Illini Fandom because it is the same stuff with every kick in the balls.
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Someone should develop a 7 Stages of Illini Fandom because it is the same stuff with every kick in the balls.
Sounds like a good project for JoeGoebbels. 😂
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Someone should develop a 7 Stages of Illini Fandom because it is the same stuff with every kick in the balls.
LOL. This is true.
My expectations are pretty low.
Be nice to make second week of tourney.
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Sounds like a good project for JoeGoebbels. 😂
I'm sure he will be all over it.
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Sounds like a good project for JoeGoebbels. 😂
Well done
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The elephant in the room that never really seems to get discussed (probably for fear of the “we are better off without our best player” label) is that the team looked good and played loose when Ayo was out.
Ayo only scored his season average once after he returned, and his TO numbers spiked. Outside of the blowout layup fests against Drexel and Rutgers, he shot very poorly. He wasn’t the same player as he was before the injury.
But what were we gonna do? Not play him?
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My concern wasnt so much on Kofi's lack of defense or assists. I'd take his 18 pts and 10 rbs back and figure out a way to play a little zone once in a while.
If Garcia comes, I'd say our new Director of Recruiting has a target to work on.
Ayo is gone, but the long stretches last year without team defense showed we were capable of not dictating play on both ends of the floor.
We missed Feliz. We need to find someone to bring his attitude every game.
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Never said that.
In some ways they will be, though, and Custard is right. They could easily win a couple games in NCAA. Will likely be in middle of BT and be a 7-9 seed.
Go ahead and continue the Ayo worship thing though. He and the team had a historic collapse. Will not take that much to do better.
I would much rather win the big ten and big ten tournament than have a sweet 16 run
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I'm with Mr. Crazy.
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I would much rather win the big ten and big ten tournament than have a sweet 16 run
I know. We have different opinion on that I guess.
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I know. We have different opinion on that I guess.
yes we have discussed this before :)
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The elephant in the room that never really seems to get discussed (probably for fear of the “we are better off without our best player” label) is that the team looked good and played loose when Ayo was out.
Ayo only scored his season average once after he returned, and his TO numbers spiked. Outside of the blowout layup fests against Drexel and Rutgers, he shot very poorly. He wasn’t the same player as he was before the injury.
But what were we gonna do? Not play him?
We looked very surprisingly good without Ayo, but it also seemed like we were flying by the seat of our pants a lot. Like we were just a play or two from everything going haywire. It was fun, but having Ayo in there just made it seem like leads were more secure, and if the game was close at the end, we were going to win.
I like our chances of being good with Ayo gone, but we will miss him.
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Having Kofi is great for winning a bunch of games in the B1G and then losing in the tourney to a team that can exploit the very weaknesses that keep him from being an NBA draft pick.
It just doesn’t matter if he can go for 20 and 10 every night with a ton of awesome dunks when he can’t pass out of the post effectively and can’t guard anyone mobile. His presence also necessitates a slowdown in both the half court and transition because so much of the offense runs though him.
I said it all of last season: Of the better teams in the nation, Illinois had one of the most traditionally constructed rosters.
If Illinois wants to compete for Final Fours/National titles we need elite guard play/three point shooting and mobile athletic bigs who can guard multiple positions without switching, protect the rim, rim run, and rebound to get the guards in a position to score in transition.
And at least one of them needs to be able to stretch the defense with the ability to shoot from deep. Giorgi and Kofi just weren’t those guys. Grandison could but he’s a liability in other areas. He’s a below the rim 3 playing the 4.
If we could add Garcia, we’d have Hawkins, Garcia, and Payne filling the roles of Kofi and Giorgi. And Grandison is back. Our guard play should be good to great next year but lack of length will be a problem unless the lengthy freshmen step up.
The key to the season might be getting something out of Hutcherson on the wing to help that out a little.
With Garcia next year’s team may not win as many games in the B1G, but would certainly have the ingredients for a deep tourney run.
I fucking loved watching Kofi play basketball for Illinois, but our blueprint should be what Baylor put on the floor this past year. I’m all in favor in continuing to move in that direction.
All good points, but:
1. I would like our tournament chances better with Kofi and a high seed than without Kofi and a 7 seed.
2. Kofi improved a ton from freshman to sophomore year, who’s to say he wouldn’t improve a lot the next year too? He doesn’t need to pull a 20’ jumper range out of his ass, he just needs to learn how to find the open shooter when he gets doubled.
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If Kofi goes to Kentucky then I hope he is prepared to show Calipari that he can defend the perimeter and pass out of double teams (or just pass in general), as well as run up and down at a higher pace than Illinois did.
Also competing with Oscar Tshiebwe would be a little more difficult than Omar Payne in my opinion.
Furthermore, Calipari usually plays 8 men at least, so his minutes would be cut on top of that.
But he can do what he wants, it is 2021, not 2001. Loyalty means nothing anymore.
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I would much rather win the big ten and big ten tournament than have a sweet 16 run
The COVID has rotted your mind.
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Chester Fraxier has his first 4 star top 150 recruit. Sencire Harris is currently 59 on rivals, 93 on 247, and 109 on 247 composite. Listed 6-3 160 combo guard.
https://247sports.com/player/sencire-harris-46085998/
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Drat ......
So much for Theus getting that 3rd coaching spot.
Ex-NBA star Reggie Theus to be named men's basketball coach and athletic director at HBCU Bethune-Cookman University next week, source to @TheUndefeated.
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Chester Fraxier has his first 4 star top 150 recruit. Sencire Harris is currently 59 on rivals, 93 on 247, and 109 on 247 composite. Listed 6-3 160 combo guard.
https://247sports.com/player/sencire-harris-46085998/
He was in top 50 and now out of top 100. Not sure why, but it is decent get anyway for this staff. They need to try and get top 150 kids and hope for the best.
https://247sports.com/PlayerSport/Sencire-Harris-at-St-Vincent-St-Mary-248241/RecruitRankHistory/?history=composite
We really need somebody to play PG in 22.
Curbelo is gone if he has a good year.
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Drat ......
So much for Theus getting that 3rd coaching spot.
Ex-NBA star Reggie Theus to be named men's basketball coach and athletic director at HBCU Bethune-Cookman University next week, source to @TheUndefeated.
Notwithstanding whether he'd be good here, that is a great get for an HBCU.
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Chester Fraxier has his first 4 star top 150 recruit. Sencire Harris is currently 59 on rivals, 93 on 247, and 109 on 247 composite. Listed 6-3 160 combo guard.
https://247sports.com/player/sencire-harris-46085998/
Frazier is already paying dividends for us, I believe he was a very good hire (based on what we needed/and where we were at), and Harris will be a star in the making for us. He already has a very smooth feel to his game/lefty can create and finish with both hands, and also is very explosive when attacking the rim (Nunn like imo) with better hops.
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Frazier is already paying dividends for us, I believe he was a very good hire (based on what we needed/and where we were at), and Harris will be a star in the making for us. He already has a very smooth feel to his game/lefty can create and finish with both hands, and also is very explosive when attacking the rim (Nunn like imo) with better hops.
Nunn was RSCI 57 and has the athleticism to be a productive starter in the NBA. This kid will come in with 4 guys ahead of him.
Might contribute down the road. Hope he does. I would be concerned as to why his ranking keeps dropping. Not saying he can't play at this level but to declare he is star in the making is just stupid. We get it, you think Chet is the best and if he shows up for work you will tell us he is amazing.
You take a bunch of top 150-200 guys and some turn out to be a P5 starter or contributor. Many don't. Hardly any make the NBA. Its not a bad approach and what is likely available to us moving forward. We can be decent.
Let's see him play a game before you declare he is a star.
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https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-basketball-Kofi-Cockburn-pulls-name-from-NBA-Draft-transfer-portal-167448030/?utm_source=247Sports%2520Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=210706_115824_IllinoisFightingIllini&utm_content=Image&eid=6662b7092a4289056e49a08a7034319d1b723f2c93a2627c8830d6502e83331a&fbclid=IwAR2yCkY_bOgtJB-tDkvzHlauf41M4o0gcngtRxrpIYkiq1bxFaCKDcS7U14
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https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-basketball-Kofi-Cockburn-pulls-name-from-NBA-Draft-transfer-portal-167448030/?utm_source=247Sports%2520Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=210706_115824_IllinoisFightingIllini&utm_content=Image&eid=6662b7092a4289056e49a08a7034319d1b723f2c93a2627c8830d6502e83331a&fbclid=IwAR2yCkY_bOgtJB-tDkvzHlauf41M4o0gcngtRxrpIYkiq1bxFaCKDcS7U14
Interesting.
"I'm pretty much open. There's a possibility I return to Illinois and a possibility I don't," he told ESPN. "I want to make a quick decision as soon as possible. I don't want to go back and forth. I'm going to take some visits, but I'm not sure where."
"He's the reason I went to Illinois," Cockburn said of Antigua. "When he left along with Chin Coleman, I decided to go in the portal to leave my options open.
"Kentucky? It's a serious option. Antigua is my guy. I'm going to consider them, but there a lot of schools. I wasn't really focused on that while I was in the NBA draft. Now I can take my time and evaluate it better."
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I was pretty sure Kofi was coming back to college. The Kentucky thing has me worried though.
BU had better come up with a game plan to pitch to Kofi to get him more midrange opportunities.
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The last time someone transfered after getting all American honors at their school has to be 20 + years. I might be wrong, but I can't think of the last time it happened.
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The last time someone transfered after getting all American honors at their school has to be 20 + years. I might be wrong, but I can't think of the last time it happened.
Article says over 25 years, but I don't know who that would have been.
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I was pretty sure Kofi was coming back to college. The Kentucky thing has me worried though.
BU had better come up with a game plan to pitch to Kofi to get him more midrange opportunities.
Dunno. I didn't think he would if his long term goal is to develop for an NBA job somewhere.
Hope it all works out. Imposing college player. Needs a shit ton of work to play in the league.
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I was pretty sure Kofi was coming back to college. The Kentucky thing has me worried though.
BU had better come up with a game plan to pitch to Kofi to get him more midrange opportunities.
Follow the money.
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Follow the money.
I am sure that these big donor programs will reroute the money via business fronts and already have them lined up. Kofi will be advertising for horse stables in Kentucky for $100k this year.
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I was pretty sure Kofi was coming back to college. The Kentucky thing has me worried though.
BU had better come up with a game plan to pitch to Kofi to get him more midrange opportunities.
I don't buy the Kentucky option for Kofi....sure OA is there, but they have no less than 4-6 forward/center types...Brooks/Ware/Toppin/Tshiebwe/ and others. Both Kofi/Oscar would be trying to "secure" a better place in the upcoming draft. Oscar presumably would want to show more to the scouts as far as range/ability outside the paint....Kofi has already stated that is his intentions as well.
I just don't buy that this is an "ideal" place for Kofi to land just because of OA, he still wants to be able to show scouts what he can do outside of the paint, and with Oscar the more mobile of the two, well I think Kofi is stuck there.
He would be in the same situation here with the ILLINI, with or without Dawson (whom we hope to get), however the difference here is the brand is already formulated and he can get local $$$ for appearances/likeness usage etc.
There may be a better "ideal" location than Illinois as well, just don't think it is kenUckky is all.
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Who do we have that can coach bigs now?
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I don't buy the Kentucky option for Kofi....sure OA is there, but they have no less than 4-6 forward/center types...Brooks/Ware/Toppin/Tshiebwe/ and others. Both Kofi/Oscar would be trying to "secure" a better place in the upcoming draft. Oscar presumably would want to show more to the scouts as far as range/ability outside the paint....Kofi has already stated that is his intentions as well.
I just don't buy that this is an "ideal" place for Kofi to land just because of OA, he still wants to be able to show scouts what he can do outside of the paint, and with Oscar the more mobile of the two, well I think Kofi is stuck there.
He would be in the same situation here with the ILLINI, with or without Dawson (whom we hope to get), however the difference here is the brand is already formulated and he can get local $$$ for appearances/likeness usage etc.
There may be a better "ideal" location than Illinois as well, just don't think it is kenUckky is all.
You're assuming that he thinks the head coach who got his ass whipped by Porter Moser can coach him up.
Obviously, there is the issue that the new KY assistants apparently did jack shit too in that Loyola game, but I'm sure Kofi may not see it that way.
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Who do we have that can coach bigs now?
Who do we have that can actually coach a team that can beat Loyola?
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Who do we have that can coach bigs now?
Supposedly Alexander did good work last summer.
Kofi was pretty nondescript until he got dunked on by Jackson Davis and then became much more aggressive in finishing and roll and catch plays in last part of year.
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You're assuming that he thinks the head coach who got his ass whipped by Porter Moser can coach him up.
Obviously, there is the issue that the new KY assistants apparently did jack shit too in that Loyola game, but I'm sure Kofi may not see it that way.
Agreed, the Asst didn't do much, don't see Kofi as persuaded just because he likes OA is all....maybe he stays maybe he doesn't. Time is running out though.
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"I think I'm ready for the next level, but I wasn't happy with the input I was getting from NBA teams," Cockburn said ... "I didn't want to settle. I'm going to return for another year, raise my game and improve my draft stock."
He said the feedback from NBA teams was that they want to see more of his perimeter skill, be it his jump shot or passing ability.
"NBA teams are going to see my midrange game next year and my playmaking," Cockburn said.
Potential problem? Does Kofi think he has perimeter skills, but was not allowed to use them. Parallels AM's complaint that he was not allowed to create.
Insider at tos claims OA told Kofi to stay at Illinois. Maybe UK doesn't really want him?
Cockburn was the No. 1 pick-and-roll finisher in college basketball last season, according to Synergy, leading the country with 78 slam dunks.
That is what made him first-team All-Big Ten and a second-team All-American. I think he can return to Illinois and get better at passing out of the post. Perhaps the right training program might help improve his lane agility scores. If he wants to showcase his untapped ballhandling and three point shooting skills, let him go join Miller at LSU.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31770479/kofi-cockburn-wants-make-quick-decision-staying-illinois-transferring
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He was good on roll and catch and finishes when we could get him the ball. Good on putbacks. Ran floor OK. But that is against smaller weaker college players.
He had one assist after December.
5 all year.
He didn't make a shot past 2 feet all year.
He is a bear on skates 4 feet away from basket trying to guard anyone.
Any NBA guard will love him on a switch and he is fried chicken.
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I hope he returns to Illinois and fucking kills it
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Why would I kill it? I hope he returns, too.
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This Kofi thing has absolutely nothing to do with basketball.
Has everything to do with leeches looking for the quickest and biggest $$
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Insider at tos claims OA told Kofi to stay at Illinois.
That is true, but not how you framed it. OA and Brad discussed a hands off policy on all incoming recruits and current players. OA running afoul of Illinois would not be in his best interests…there’s a closet he left behind
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That is true, but not how you framed it. OA and Brad discussed a hands off policy on all incoming recruits and current players. OA running afoul of Illinois would not be in his best interests…there’s a closet he left behind
Thanks Breal. Love this kinda info.
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This Kofi thing has absolutely nothing to do with basketball.
Has everything to do with leeches looking for the quickest and biggest $$
That could be, but that is not how he is framing it. If it is money; we might have a shot. My concern is he becomes unhappy with his role.
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That could be, but that is not how he is framing it. If it is money; we might have a shot. My concern is he becomes unhappy with his role.
Well…what is he supposed to say?
“ my handlers who have groomed me for a payday just found out I won’t be getting drafted. Because of that, they need to find the largest payout as a replacement as quickly as possible ”
Based upon my understanding, his guys are running the whole search for him. Man, it’s almost as if this wasn’t their first rodeo doing this …
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Well…what is he supposed to say?
“ my handlers who have groomed me for a payday just found out I won’t be getting drafted. Because of that, they need to find the fastest andarhest payout as a replacement”
This.
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That is true, but not how you framed it. OA and Brad discussed a hands off policy on all incoming recruits and current players. OA running afoul of Illinois would not be in his best interests…there’s a closet he left behind
That's pretty much what tos insider said. Seems to have the same sources as you. I was just wondering out loud if there could be more to it. That is why I wrote maybe and used a question mark.
Same insider seemed to think we have a good shot at keeping Kofi and getting Garcia. Others with less sterling records think we lead for Garcia. Things can change though.
Another tos rumor not from insiders is Kofi teaming with EJ Liddell. Appears to be based entirely on speculation.
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Well…what is he supposed to say?
“ my handlers who have groomed me for a payday just found out I won’t be getting drafted. Because of that, they need to find the largest payout as a replacement as quickly as possible ”
Based upon my understanding, his guys are running the whole search for him. Man, it’s almost as if this wasn’t their first rodeo doing this …
Apparently Nichi thinks so.
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I have a feeling Rob is right that Underachiever will be out of here when Weber is done. No way Guenther Lite is going to spend the money necessary to get things done.
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Well…what is he supposed to say?
“ my handlers who have groomed me for a payday just found out I won’t be getting drafted. Because of that, they need to find the largest payout as a replacement as quickly as possible ”
Based upon my understanding, his guys are running the whole search for him. Man, it’s almost as if this wasn’t their first rodeo doing this …
So they told him to tell espn that he is returning to college so he can display playmaking and shooting skills that were previously overlooked by everyone? He could have said he still needs to work on skill development and sounded halfway credible.
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I have a feeling Rob is right that Underachiever will be out of here when Weber is done. No way Guenther Lite is going to spend the money necessary to get things done.
But the people who hired Weber will spend the money?
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Apparently Nichi thinks so.
Nichi's naïveté is one of the consistently charming qualities of this community.
On that note, I just found a 25lb bag of Mahatma white rice. It's about 2/3 full.
I also saw Zach Griffith walking somewhere. We waved.
If anyone wants 15lbs of rice, holler.
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Well…what is he supposed to say?
How about something like this:
"I thought I was ready for the NBA, but I found out I need to improve my passing skills and jump shot. So I am returning to college to work on my game in hopes of improving my draft stock."
Instead of:
"I already have the skills to play in the NBA, but my college coach made me run the pick and roll all the time, so ..."
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I can't believe B-Reel has a negative rating on this board.
Except that it's This Board, so I guess it makes sense.
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How about something like this:
"I thought I was ready for the NBA, but I found out I need to improve my passing skills and jump shot. So I am returning to college to work on my game in hopes of improving my draft stock."
Instead of:
"I already have the skills to play in the NBA, but my college coach made me run the pick and roll all the time, so ..."
Everybody on the planet knew he had no face up game and would not or could not pass the ball out of double teams.
They also knew he could not guard an empty chair in space.
If he had any of those skills that he was not allowed to show at Illinois he could have done so in workouts with teams. He doesn't have them yet, and didn’t develop enough of them since March.
In fact, they apparently do not think he is even close enough or showing the potential to take a flyer on him and give him a select contract or 2 way in G league. I am sure he can play G league at the standard salary. Obviously, overseas is an option and he could make some money.
He will be a beast again at what he does in college. I am not sure it does a lot for his NBA status.
He will make some money via NIL. Who knows how much.
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I can't believe B-Reel has a negative rating on this board.
Except that it's This Board, so I guess it makes sense.
The best insider at TOS gets all kinds of grief. And he is not condescending. /s Told 'em he was about done yesterday.
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I am surprised anyone has to explain why he’s doing what he’s doing.
Honestly if it comes down to letting Kofi shoot jumpers I’d rather make a wholesale move to a more modern roster, preferably with Garcia.
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I am surprised anyone has to explain why he’s doing what he’s doing.
Honestly if it comes down to letting Kofi shoot jumpers I’d rather make a wholesale move to a more modern roster, preferably with Garcia.
What are our chances to get Garcia?
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Everybody on the planet knew he had no face up game and would not or could not pass the ball out of double teams.
Apparently, everyone except Kofi. Or he knows it, but he was just kidding.
I did not start start following college ball yesterday. When guys exaggerate their ability to the press, and imply they are being used wrong, it can be a red flag. Possible cause for concern. Up to now, Kofi presents as a good guy and a team player, not a head case, so it might just be a nothing burger.
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What are our chances to get Garcia?
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1412495862119424004?s=19
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But the people who hired Weber will spend the money?
It's K-State. They know they need to outspend KU to be relevant.
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Fuck if true
https://twitter.com/notbigten/status/1412986777485422598?s=19
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It's K-State. They know they need to outspend KU to be relevant.
Currie's long gone. Gen Myers is retiring.
So ... yes.
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Fuck if true
You're such a prude.
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Fuck if true
https://twitter.com/notbigten/status/1412986777485422598?s=19
Well good news its on twitter so chances are pretty high its not true
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I wouldn't expect Garcia to come here.
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You're such a prude.
A naive prude. But very experienced, equanimous, and tolerant.
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Garcia is out
The Illinois NIL model (which was supposed to be a strength) is apparently a flop
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Garcia is out
The Illinois NIL model (which was supposed to be a strength) is apparently a flop
What is the Illinois NIL model as opposed to other programs?
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What is the Illinois NIL model as opposed to other programs?
Illinois is using an official service/company that quantifies the amount for the player that they will get paid via NIL and endorsements. In Garcia’s case it was something like 200k ish.
Other schools are not using that company and instead just throwing out numbers. Illinois is actually doing things the *correct* way …but…yeah. I know UNC tossed out a number significantly higher. Doesn’t mean that player will ever see that money, but they are being told they will.
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Illinois is using an official service/company that quantifies the amount for the player that they will get paid via NIL and endorsements. In Garcia’s case it was something like 200k ish.
Other schools are not using that company and instead just throwing out numbers. Illinois is actually doing things the *correct* way …but…yeah. I know UNC tossed out a number significantly higher. Doesn’t mean that player will ever see that money, but they are being told they will.
So basically it's like ebay for players. Except we want to do a buy it now, and other schools are outbidding us. This bullshit is ruining everything. It's now about money, not the school or program. At least in the NBA, you don't get to pick your team. Smaller schools are screwed.
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Except we want to do a buy it now, and other schools are outbidding us. This bullshit is ruining everything. It's now about money, not the school or program.
It is so cute that you think this is actually something new.
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It is so cute that you think this is actually something new.
It is new. Players were not making millions under the table, it was a rare occurrence when maybe a booster paid some players under the table or give a recruit's family member a cushy well paying job. There were rules in place, and it was a risky endeavor to break them.
It's cute that you think there is no difference between the past and the current NIL scenarios. It's much different now.
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Until illinois plays dirty or pays a hell of a lot more $ for players dont expect much sucess. The clean illinment ways has always been the issue here.
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And has an all American player EVER transferred to another school before??? Only the illinment..😆.
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Underwhelm is a huge problem too in this mess of an off season. After u get punked by loyola....3 of your assistants coaches leave for not a head coaching position yet another assistant coach position. What??? Miller leaves. Kofi decides to transfer. Underwhelm hires his son. What???? Big time problems.
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What is the Illinois NIL model as opposed to other programs?
At UI everything appears to be above board and fully disclosed with realistic projections. Long on specifics.
https://fightingillini.com/feature/illiniinfluence
Here is a link to what seems to be UNC's NIL page. Short on specifics might be an understatement. Talks about education, brand building, best practices, blah, blah, blah ...
https://goheels.com/news/2021/6/16/general-carolina-athletics-launches-educational-programming-to-strengthen-nil-opportunities.aspx
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Underwhelm is a huge problem too in this mess of an off season. After u get punked by loyola....3 of your assistants coaches leave for not a head coaching position yet another assistant coach position. What??? Miller leaves. Kofi decides to transfer. Underwhelm hires his son. What???? Big time problems.
At this point I'm pretty used to it
hey at least my playstation 3 college hoops 2k8 Illini dynasty is in good hands under coach 97
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I found a PS4 and a copy of 2K (2017) in a dumpster a couple of weeks ago. Plus 5 other games.
I sold them to a local game shop for $114
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It is new. Players were not making millions under the table, it was a rare occurrence when maybe a booster paid some players under the table or give a recruit's family member a cushy well paying job. There were rules in place, and it was a risky endeavor to break them.
It's cute that you think there is no difference between the past and the current NIL scenarios. It's much different now.
"Rare"? For Illinois, yes. It was a nice, short run with OA here. ChicagoFan, where are ye?
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At UI everything appears to be above board snd fully disclosed with realistic projections. Long on specifics.
https://fightingillini.com/feature/illiniinfluence
Here is a link to what seems to be UNC's NIL page. Short on specifics might be an understatement. Talks about education, brand building, best practices, blah, blah, blah ...
https://goheels.com/news/2021/6/16/general-carolina-athletics-launches-educational-programming-to-strengthen-nil-opportunities.aspx
And, as if to prove the point, the Marquette dude transfered to UNC, with its "hazy" NIL specifics.
All about dollar, dollar bills, y'all.
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Personally, I appreciate the relative transparency of the NIL system vs. the old model. It used to be simply guessing whether we were getting outbid for players. Now we know for sure.
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Personally, I appreciate the relative transparency of the NIL system vs. the old model. It used to be simply guessing whether we were getting outbid for players. Now we know for sure.
Yep
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Will be interesting to see the data after a year as to what the players make in different programs.
Can’t say I have any fcking idea how this will all work, but if there is a way to game the system by the programs with big money behind them it will be found.
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Dunno, but the NCAA may have a difficult time convincing the average fan that the premise they have relied on of an equal playing field still exists.
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No way it will be equal playing field.
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No way it will be equal playing field.
Never was
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Looks like we've got a couple new commitments since the outage felt 'round the world.
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Looks like we've got a couple new commitments since the outage felt 'round the world.
2 very solid additions
Very good chance Reggie Bass will never play at Illinois. I don’t know much about him or his game but he has some “issues” apparently
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2 very solid additions
Very good chance Reggie Bass will never play at Illinois. I don’t know much about him or his game but he has some “issues” apparently
I agree and several other "connected persons" to the program think so as well. I think Bass doesn't show, with our 2 Top 100 guards in the fold, and the wings/off guards we have as well already signed, the focus now shifts to a BIG and Casey specifically.
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And has an all American player EVER transferred to another school before??? Only the illinment..😆.
Happened once before I think I read somewhere?
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Epps and Harris look like solid players. Have no idea what the Bass situation is, but these guys will replace Storrs and Bass.
We need bigs and hopefully one of these multiple 2/3 guys we have coming in this year and next can play lead guard .
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So did Frazier just recruit his first ever 2 top 100 players?
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So did Frazier just recruit his first ever 2 top 100 players?
Harris is now out of Top 100, but close enough.
Epps solidly in Top 75.
Congrats to him and staff.
We have a steady diet of Top 150 guys and good transfers we should be alright.
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So did Frazier just recruit his first ever 2 top 100 players?
Yes. Harris ranking being held back by espn
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Yes. Harris ranking being held back by espn
These are good gets.
People may disagree, but the 75-150 range is very similar IMO. Not usually immediate starter or major impact guys at P5, nor future NBA guys, but many can become rotation players right away and starters by soph year and even some stars develop.
Get the right roster construction and enough of them develop you can be a very good program.
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And has an all American player EVER transferred to another school before??? Only the illinment...
Once.
It is different now. We effectively have free agency and transfers potentially going to the highest bidder.
The NCAA pretty much punted on NIL recruiting rules. It is mostly up to state laws and each institution. They can apparently project / offer whatever number.
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2 very solid additions
Very good chance Reggie Bass will never play at Illinois. I don’t know much about him or his game but he has some “issues” apparently
Any insight as to what those issues might be?
I really liked Bass too.
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Any insight as to what those issues might be?
I really liked Bass too.
Piper seems to be well connected obviously with the program...he doesn't think he makes it. Nothing concrete, but I would guess the usual can't qualify here?
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Any insight as to what those issues might be?
I really liked Bass too.
I like Bass game, just don't see the need with a 3 star 6'4/5 wing when we got the guys on board already and the others signed up to come?
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So did Frazier just recruit his first ever 2 top 100 players?
Frazier will/is be the real deal for us...his door will be getting knocked on again. I really think he stays with us for some time however.
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Any insight as to what those issues might be?
I really liked Bass too.
Talk from some that he had an attitude and barked at teammates. Not sure that is a bad thing though.
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Going to wrap up this thread.
Barring any summer defections, creening, or late additions- we are probably set.