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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: Reacher on March 12, 2021, 07:38:08 AM
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How did this not get its own thread? I agree that Illinois is deserving of a co-champion nod, but Jesus Josh Whitman is embarrassing. “A decision that will ‘resonate for generations and an outcome which will live in infamy?” JC
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Because he actually voted to use winning percentage?
Good to see you posting Tempo.
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How did this not get its own thread? I agree that Illinois is deserving of a co-champion nod, but Jesus Josh Whitman is embarrassing. “A decision that will ‘resonate for generations and an outcome which will live in infamy?” JC
I posted it in the B1G title thread https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,213.msg12181.html#msg12181
but I know how much you love starting new threads for attention so I won't steal your thunder
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Tempo good to see you here. Just curious did you read the letter first and then the Chicago media’s reaction to it, or did you first learn of the letter when you read the Chicago media’s reaction to it?
The letter is certainly emotional and melodramatic but given it’s intended audience I kinda get it. And once Michigan lost to MSU and muddied the water he basically had to make a show of defending his program, staff, and players.
Something to keep in mind is that the B1G (and Kevin Warren in particular) have not had a good year from a management perspective and probably weren’t really keen on getting publicly called out by yet another frustrated member institution with a legitimate gripe. Ryan and Morrissey cite unnamed sources in their pieces to illustrate Whitman’s whiny hypocrisy, but they seem to be missing some context/details relative to the material Whitman attached his own name to publicly.
That means it’s probably somewhere in the middle. Whitman isn’t dumb enough to go and vote three times for a winning percentage champion with no caveats and then publicly complain that they used winning percentage. The way his letter reads to me is that he voted for winning percentage with caveats that account for the type of situation that played out, and was overruled. I doubt he’s going to engage in further public warfare with the B1G so I guess we are left to speculate the details of what actually happened.
At any rate good to see you back...try to enjoy the fact Illinois has it’s once-every-16-years good basketball team.
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Josh misspelled discreet.
Fart misspelled its.
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Tempo good to see you here. Just curious did you read the letter first and then the Chicago media’s reaction to it, or did you first learn of the letter when you read the Chicago media’s reaction to it?
The letter is certainly emotional and melodramatic but given it’s intended audience I kinda get it. And once Michigan lost to MSU and muddied the water he basically had to make a show of defending his program, staff, and players.
Something to keep in mind is that the B1G (and Kevin Warren in particular) have not had a good year from a management perspective and probably weren’t really keen on getting publicly called out by yet another frustrated member institution with a legitimate gripe. Ryan and Morrissey cite unnamed sources in their pieces to illustrate Whitman’s whiny hypocrisy, but they seem to be missing some context/details relative to the material Whitman attached his own name to publicly.
That means it’s probably somewhere in the middle. Whitman isn’t dumb enough to go and vote three times for a winning percentage champion with no caveats and then publicly complain that they used winning percentage. The way his letter reads to me is that he voted for winning percentage with caveats that account for the type of situation that played out, and was overruled. I doubt he’s going to engage in further public warfare with the B1G so I guess we are left to speculate the details of what actually happened.
At any rate good to see you back...try to enjoy the fact Illinois has it’s once-every-16-years good basketball team.
Has Guenther, Jr. denied the reports? Not so far.
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It appears from two separate media reports there were two unanimous votes to use winning % and that now Josh wanted a do over.
He may have voted in a third vote to not do so.
That is a little unclear.
I do think he then took his case to the public, and I do not think it was a good approach considering he supported the % until the end.
He could have done so behind the scenes IMO.
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We shall see if this was a distraction or not. That is my concern with this.
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I was under the assumption it was 2 votes, and Whitman asked for a 3rd and was turned down.
There undoubtedly were scenarios and options discussed during the 1st 2 votes, and the ADs didn't envision how the end of the season went for both us and Michigan.
Who would have ?
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I was under the assumption it was 2 votes, and Whitman asked for a 3rd and was turned down.
There undoubtedly were scenarios and options discussed during the 1st 2 votes, and the ADs didn't envision how the end of the season went for both us and Michigan.
Who would have ?
yeah who would of thought that the eventual "champion" would account for 75% of missed games this season in the big ten? because of a positive test in a completely unrelated sport...
oh, I would, because its the wolverines and they are members of the weasel family
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Josh misspelled discreet.
Fart misspelled its.
Actually my phone corrected my proper spelling but I’ll take ownership of it since I didn’t catch it
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As I said before I highly doubt Whitman is going to continue a public debate by elaborating on the process itself. He basically said his piece to fire up the fan and donor base and most importantly the team. I am sure he knew it wouldn’t be received well in some arenas. And I’ll say once again if he voted in good faith three times for winning percentage with no caveats then the Chicago hit pieces are well deserved. But I personally think that Whitman is smart enough not to have written this particular letter if he voted 2-3 times (as recently as the end of February) to use winning percentage with no caveats. I mean...in his letter he spoke directly about the caveats he presented to the league.
The anonymous “sources” the articles cited (read: Rosemont) could say he voted every time for winning percentage and be technically correct while also conveniently leaving out the fact that Whitman pushed for additional caveats that could reward teams with other metrics.
Sometimes I have trouble reconciling Illinois’ renowned social media obnoxiousness and the self-loathing race to be AOTC on anything negative
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I posted it in the B1G title thread https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,213.msg12181.html#msg12181
but I know how much you love starting new threads for attention so I won't steal your thunder
Cool story bro! Throw it on the pile with the one or two other threads I’ve started here in the last year or so!
I apologize for not reading all other threads completely.
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Don’t mind Ol97 he’s just feeding off Jobu’s aggression
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I don’t have a problem with Whitman penning a letter. But man, show some perspective.
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We shall see if this was a distraction or not. That is my concern with this.
I think nobody probably cares too much beyond the two fanbases getting riled up for a couple days. I was more pissed off before I found out Whitnit supported this twice at least.
Now- it sort of let's move on.
I think if we play UM in final of BTT or in FF it only helps us as a little more motivation.
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I don’t have a problem with Whitman penning a letter. But man, show some perspective.
He was definitely behind the curve on that take
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We don’t fully know what he voted for and supported or what all was discussed. Why do we automatically assume two Chicago writers citing anonymous sources have it correct over the bronze tablet former NFL attorney who actually put his name on what he wrote?
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We don’t fully know what he voted for and supported or what all was discussed. Why do we automatically assume two Chicago writers citing anonymous sources have it correct over the bronze tablet former NFL attorney who actually put his name on what he wrote?
You do know where you’re posting, right?
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We don’t fully know what he voted for and supported or what all was discussed. Why do we automatically assume two Chicago writers citing anonymous sources have it correct over the bronze tablet former NFL attorney who actually put his name on what he wrote?
I just assumed it was fake news but meatheads gonna meathead
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We don’t fully know what he voted for and supported or what all was discussed. Why do we automatically assume two Chicago writers citing anonymous sources have it correct over the bronze tablet former NFL attorney who actually put his name on what he wrote?
C'mon, he would have denied it because it is damning in light of his letter. Don't give me this Bronze Tablet former NFL attorney bullshit. He was Groce's buttbuddy when he should have axed him and he hired his buddy to be women's bball coach. I'm cautiously optimistic with football and am waiting to see if Underwood is no longer Underachieving. Football season tickets are still going for, what, less than $10/game? Until someone, somewhere, actually does something with a revenue producing sport (not fucking golf, tennis, or cricket), he is still Guenther, Jr.
At the end of the day, there are a million reason$ why football was treated differently. This decision regarding win % is not going to cost the B1G $$$$ like shutting tO$U out of the college football playoffs would have.
Chump edit: Actually there is a distrinction on the "peace" vs. "piece" thing, so I can't say one was right or wrong in this instance.
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I just assumed it was fake news
Because you live on planet Loonball.
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Huh? He kept Groce one more year rather than replacing football and basketball coaches within 6 weeks of each other as the brand new AD. And Groce seemed to be turning the corner on some program changing recruits, two of which play huge roles on this team. Another who was released from the LOI he signed with Groce and has had a nice career at Mizzou.
If he’d have fired and hired both Cubit and Groce that first 6 weeks and both had failed/were failing now I have no doubt you’d complain that the Division III Guenther Lite should have gotten his feet under him before hiring and firing both revenue sport coaches.
But most importantly, whether Groce stayed a year or 3 too long, it all seems to have worked out quite well.
I mean Whitman got the BOT-and-faculty-pleasing hiring of a gay person and a black person out of the way early. So, like Brad Underwood, all his future hires will be evaluated solely on their actual merit rather than checking a diversity box. And he should be held accountable first for giving them the tools and resources to succeed, and then their subsequent success or failure.
But my point still remains that there is no way he would publicly call out the B1G with no perspective having voted 2-3 times for winning percentage with no caveats. That would be insanely idiotic. I’ll take Whitman at his word, you can believe the anonymous sources that support your Guenther Lite theory.
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Huh? He kept Groce one more year rather than replacing football and basketball coaches within 6 weeks of each other as the brand new AD. And Groce seemed to be turning the corner on some program changing recruits, two of which play huge roles on this team. Another who was released from the LOI he signed with Groce and has had a nice career at Mizzou.
If he’d have fired and hired both Cubit and Groce that first 6 weeks and both had failed/were failing now I have no doubt you’d complain that the Division III Guenther Lite should have gotten his feet under him before hiring and firing both revenue sport coaches.
But most importantly, whether Groce stayed a year or 3 too long, it all seems to have worked out quite well.
I mean Whitman got the BOT-and-faculty-pleasing hiring of a gay person and a black person out of the way early. So, like Brad Underwood, all his future hires will be evaluated solely on their actual merit rather than checking a diversity box. And he should be held accountable first for giving them the tools and resources to succeed, and then their subsequent success or failure.
But my point still remains that there is no way he would publicly call out the B1G with no perspective having voted 2-3 times for winning percentage with no caveats. That would be insanely idiotic. I’ll take Whitman at his word, you can believe the anonymous sources that support your Guenther Lite theory.
Oh he will and will be sure to attack anyone’s opinion who disagrees with it. It’s par for the course.
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But my point still remains that there is no way he would publicly call out the B1G with no perspective having voted 2-3 times for winning percentage with no caveats. That would be insanely idiotic. I’ll take Whitman at his word, you can believe the anonymous sources that support your Guenther Lite theory.
Fair enough on what preceded this, except that he was brought in to clean house and many were pissed Groce was sticking.
As for this paragraph, I think you overestimate a) Division III Guenther Lite (I like that name!) and b) the Illini (and, to be fair, most teams') fan base. See, e.g., Judge Judy.
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Fair enough on what preceded this, except that he was brought in to clean house and many were pissed Groce was sticking. As for this paragraph, I think you overestimate a) Division III Guenther Lite (I like that name!) and b) the Illini (and, to be fair, most teams') fan base. See, e.g., Judge Judy.
He was brought in to make our athletic programs and facilities better. Do you think as a whole we are better off now or in the fall of 2015? There are 13 other teams in the conference spending big money and trying to win too.
As to the second paragraph it’s kinda always this way. We are good once in a while. Most of the non-Chicago Illini fans embrace it for what it is and revel in the moment. The Chicago people, being in a pro sports town, make extra sure to be cynical and throw a wet blanket on everything.
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We don’t fully know what he voted for and supported or what all was discussed. Why do we automatically assume two Chicago writers citing anonymous sources have it correct over the bronze tablet former NFL attorney who actually put his name on what he wrote?
Yeah...I believe the journalists on that one.
Whitman's letter was a fine idea poorly executed. Illinois got boned, but it appears to be the rules everyone agreed to play by.
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He was brought in to make our athletic programs and facilities better. Do you think as a whole we are better off now or in the fall of 2015? There are 13 other teams in the conference spending big money and trying to win too.
As to the second paragraph it’s kinda always this way. We are good once in a while. Most of the non-Chicago Illini fans embrace it for what it is and revel in the moment. The Chicago people, being in a pro sports town, make extra sure to be cynical and throw a wet blanket on everything.
I have no clue what anyone else is doing facility wise, but I hear NU has a nice one for football and I'd be willing to bet Illinois remains in the lower third of the B1G
As for the second paragraph, ergo why the Illini never seem to get over the hurdle to be a real college program of consequence.
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Why is that? One put his own name on what happened and the others cited an anonymous source. Whitman clearly alluded to caveats in the letter he wrote. The caveats were touched upon very briefly by the journalists. I think that’s kind of important.
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I have no clue what anyone else is doing facility wise, but I hear NU has a nice one for football and I'd be willing to bet Illinois remains in the lower third of the B1G
As for the second paragraph, ergo why the Illini never seem to get over the hurdle to be a real college program of consequence.
Illinois’ new practice facility (planned and announced by Whitman and funded by Whitman’s efforts) is considered to be elite. Ranked 11 in the nation by 247 in 2020.
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/college-football-recruiting-2020-facilities-Alabama-Clemson-Ohio-State-LSU-Texas-Georgia-Florida-142838731/#142838731_2
And are we back to blaming the fans for Illinois only being periodically good?
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Illinois’ new practice facility (planned and announced by Whitman and funded by Whitman’s efforts) is considered to be elite. Ranked 11 in the nation by 247 in 2020.
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/college-football-recruiting-2020-facilities-Alabama-Clemson-Ohio-State-LSU-Texas-Georgia-Florida-142838731/#142838731_2
And are we back to blaming the fans for Illinois only being periodically good?
I blame the admin of the school. I blame the fans for basically accepting what has mostly been garbage for eons.
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I don’t think Illinois fans have been complacent. The fans have voted with their wallets (not coming to watch bad teams) and the donors have ponied up to level the facility playing field. Have you seen the new Ubben practice facility that’s on the way?
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I don’t think Illinois fans have been complacent. The fans have voted with their wallets (not coming to watch bad teams) and the donors have ponied up to level the facility playing field. Have you seen the new Ubben practice facility that’s on the way?
I haven't. But it seems that when Illinois builds something nice, the big boys just build.something nicer and the catch up cycle starts again.
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Why is that? One put his own name on what happened and the others cited an anonymous source. Whitman clearly alluded to caveats in the letter he wrote. The caveats were touched upon very briefly by the journalists. I think that’s kind of important.
Because Whitman wrote a fairly long letter that left out facts that, if true, would have made him look really good, instead choosing to go balls-deep on pseudo-moral outrage.
It's a tell that he probably doesn't actually have the facts that make him look really good.
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Not really true. We didn’t even really try until the SFC renovation. Guenther (somewhat understandably) flat out hated the modern era of collegiate sports and basically refused to participate in the facilities arms race. We were 20 years behind the curve when Thomas took over. The AH renovation is certainly a contentious topic, but I personally am glad they kept a perfectly usable landmark and made it into a modern facility.
By the time Ubben is done we will have very high level facilities everywhere but MS but we have a long long way to go before we can even fill it let alone need anything better or bigger.
I’m not looking to argue with you but you kinda seem resigned to Illinois forever being ECI U but that’s kind of denying reality at this juncture.
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Because Whitman wrote a fairly long letter that left out facts that, if true, would have made him look really good, instead choosing to go balls-deep on pseudo-moral outrage.
It's a tell that he probably doesn't actually have the facts that make him look really good.
I get what you’re saying but I tend to believe that there were things he couldn’t disclose in the letter. IMO he tip toed around them more so out of procedural caution than a lack of facts.
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I tend to believe that there were things he couldn’t disclose in the letter.
Projection can be so self-affirming.
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Because you live on planet Loonball.
yeah sports news from the trib has been definitely known for its integrity lately
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Projection can be so self-affirming.
You’re the only one here that can formally ask the questions. Give it a shot.
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Not really true. We didn’t even really try until the SFC renovation. Guenther (somewhat understandably) flat out hated the modern era of collegiate sports and basically refused to participate in the facilities arms race. We were 20 years behind the curve when Thomas took over. The AH renovation is certainly a contentious topic, but I personally am glad they kept a perfectly usable landmark and made it into a modern facility.
By the time Ubben is done we will have very high level facilities everywhere but MS but we have a long long way to go before we can even fill it let alone need anything better or bigger.
I’m not looking to argue with you but you kinda seem resigned to Illinois forever being ECI U but that’s kind of denying reality at this juncture.
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it seems very appropriate right here. Would be glad to be proven wrong, but 40 years of history says otherwise.
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It kinda looks like Whitman learned from history.
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It kinda looks like Whitman learned from history.
We shall see.
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Underwood giving Division III Guenther Lite a ton of credit for the basketball turnaround.
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Same here.
https://youtu.be/YiBvXS1Ipv0
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One guy just captured the BTT title and the third one seed with a team almost every national analyst has picked to go to the title game.
The other guy was desperately trying to save his job after getting pummeled by a team in their practice jerseys that had just survived a life threatening airplane incident.
But other than that, very similar situations.
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One guy just captured the BTT title and the third one seed with a team almost every national analyst has picked to go to the title game.
The other guy was desperately trying to save his job after getting pummeled by a team in their practice jerseys that had just survived a life threatening airplane incident.
But other than that, very similar situations.
Yeah there’s something wrong with people saying the Underwood hiring isn’t a success. Whitman looks really good right now. Can’t really get much better than where we’re at right now as a program.
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See the way it works is there’s a handful of Chicago people here. As is their custom, they try to project as much bare cynicism onto the Illini as possible. I mean everyone wants to be AOTC and betting against the Illini is usually pretty safe.
If enough of them disagree on a topic with someone like me, then rob takes the temperature of the forum and counters with something he thinks will play well with that handful of posters he respects on this forum.
It’s just good strategy.
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Have another. Life's short.
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Or, maybe some of us have learned that 2 good years does not mean much in the grand scheme of things.
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Agreed. I will say I feel better now than I did 2 years ago. Will he sustain it? Time will tell.
We were feeling good after 2005. Shortly after, we got a fence post shoved up our collective asses. And some people in this fanbase actually enjoyed it.
Exactly. I am hopeful Underwood is more Henson and less Weber. It is convenient to blame "Chicago fans" and ChicagoFan though.
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See the way it works is there’s a handful of Chicago people here. As is their custom, they try to project as much bare cynicism onto the Illini as possible. I mean everyone wants to be AOTC and betting against the Illini is usually pretty safe.
If enough of them disagree on a topic with someone like me, then rob takes the temperature of the forum and counters with something he thinks will play well with that handful of posters he respects on this forum.
It’s just good strategy.
Bingo.
Now here comes you getting blasted by the mob. Really all they can say is they’re gonna take a wait and see approach. Oh and they can say that until the end of time (or Underwood retires) and never have to really make any determination on him. Very Tempoish. Just kinda riding the fence so they’re never technically wrong.
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Classic whiny Judge Judy post. Congrats.
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Classic whiny Judge Judy post. Congrats.
Nice substance in this post. Really well thought out response.
Congrats.
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Bingo.
Now here comes you getting blasted by the mob. Really all they can say is they’re gonna take a wait and see approach. Oh and they can say that until the end of time (or Underwood retires) and never have to really make any determination on him. Very Tempoish. Just kinda riding the fence so they’re never technically wrong.
Yes; riding fences is how I got to such a magnet for backlash.
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Yes; riding fences is how I got to such a magnet for backlash.
I appreciate the Underwood post you started and your honesty. Still can’t believe you’d want Shaka 😬
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I appreciate the Underwood post you started and your honesty. Still can’t believe you’d want Shaka 😬
At this point, it boils down to Shaka is less of a d*ck (probably). But Underwood’s arrow is pointing straight up. I had serious doubts as to whether we’d get to this point under him.
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Nice substance in this post. Really well thought out response.
Congrats.
You are a jackass loser.
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At this point, it boils down to Shaka is less of a d*ck (probably). But Underwood’s arrow is pointing straight up. I had serious doubts as to whether we’d get to this point under him.
Pretty sure skin color is a factor as well, no?
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I've been conditioned to always take a wait and see approach to Illini athletics. I don't give a fuck about being right or wrong. I thought Mike Thomas would be decent. I was dead fucking wrong about that, and looking back on it all...wow.
If taking a wait and see approach makes me a fence rider, and that's bad, cool.
It's Judge Judy. He makes PeoriaSteve look like a member of Mensa.
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You are a jackass loser.
I know you are, but what am I. Stfu
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Agreed. I will say I feel better now than I did 2 years ago. Will he sustain it? Time will tell.
We were feeling good after 2005. Shortly after, we got a fence post shoved up our collective asses. And some people in this fanbase actually enjoyed it.
In 2005 a lot of people weren’t feeling good about the long term because we’d already watched two years of Weber’s recruiting futility and were aware of the emptying cupboard. That’s part of what made that season so special—it was abundantly clear that clownshoes wasn’t going to sustain that. That was our shot.
On the other hand, Underwood mostly built this team. We will see a big drop off next year without Ayo, Trent, DMW, and most likely Kofi. But we will still return plenty of experience and have good young players ready to step into starring roles. It kinda sounds like the staff is on the cusp of assembling a monster 2021 recruiting class. The primary facilities have been updated and there’s a huge project getting underway to make Ubben one of the best practice facilities in the nation. That’s a recipe for sustained success.
Completely different situations.
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I know you are, but what am I. Stfu
Triggered slowflake....yeah, slowfake because you are stupid and a little whiny assed snowflake.
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In 2005 a lot of people weren’t feeling good about the long term because we’d already watched two years of Weber’s recruiting futility and were aware of the emptying cupboard. That’s part of what made that season so special—it was abundantly clear that clownshoes wasn’t going to sustain that. That was our shot.
On the other hand, Underwood mostly built this team. We will see a big drop off next year without Ayo, Trent, DMW, and most likely Kofi. But we will still return plenty of experience and have good young players ready to step into starring roles. It kinda sounds like the staff is on the cusp of assembling a monster 2021 recruiting class. The primary facilities have been updated and there’s a huge project getting underway to make Ubben one of the best practice facilities in the nation. That’s a recipe for sustained success.
Completely different situations.
Serious question. When you say monster 2021 recruiting class are talking the incoming class in fall?
Are you assuming we get the Creighton de commit and the TT kid who is leaving?
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Serious question. When you say monster 2021 recruiting class are talking the incoming class in fall?
Are you assuming we get the Creighton de commit and the TT kid who is leaving?
Yes I believe we will be adding Burnett and Boakye to go along with what we already have. Maybe another recruit. Just don’t see that being TyTy
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Yes I believe we will be adding Burnett and Boakye to go along with what we already have. Maybe another recruit. Just don’t see that being TyTy
Is Boakye a 2021 class recruit?
This Boakye?
https://247sports.com/player/enoch-boakye-46096746/ (https://247sports.com/player/enoch-boakye-46096746/)
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Is Boakye a 2021 class recruit?
This Boakye?
https://247sports.com/player/enoch-boakye-46096746/ (https://247sports.com/player/enoch-boakye-46096746/)
Yes that’s him. My bad, he’s ‘22 class. Sorry. He will be the heir apparent to Kofi I believe.
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Is Boakye a 2021 class recruit?
This Boakye?
https://247sports.com/player/enoch-boakye-46096746/ (https://247sports.com/player/enoch-boakye-46096746/)
After decommitting from Michigan State, Enoch Boakye is planning Zoom calls, mulling reclassification
https://www.zagsblog.com/2021/02/16/after-decommitting-from-michigan-state-enoch-boakye-is-planning-zoom-calls-mulling-reclassification/
That said, outside of Ked, I am not seeing UI mentioned with him.
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Triggered slowflake....yeah, slowfake because you are stupid and a little whiny assed snowflake.
😂 yeah ok. I’m not the one on here with the anger problems trying to be a badass on some internet message board. You’re the fucking loser. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 I actually find you quite pathetic. Continue on troll.
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😂 yeah ok. I’m not the one on here with the anger problems trying to be a badass on some internet message board. You’re the fucking loser. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 I actually find you quite pathetic. Continue on troll.
You are too stupid to even realize the irony in your screeds. What a dumb fuck.
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You are too stupid to even realize the irony in your screeds. What a dumb fuck.
What are you like 5? “Oh you’re a dumb fuck” grow the fuck up, idiot. Fucking loser 😂🤣
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This PA-JJ death match is suffering a typical Season 4 slide in the quality of its prose.
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Even the introduction of a new, provocative character failed to wrench it from its malaise.
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This PA-JJ death match is suffering a typical Season 4 slide in the quality of its prose.
Haha. I'll be sure to start imcorporating words like dolt, vacuous, dense, vapid, witless, barmy, fatuous, and dumb-ass to describe him.
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Now you're talkin'.
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And I’ll start using words like cumberworld, bobolyne, bespawler, abydocomist, muck-spout, gobermouch, or fopdoodle to describe ThePAMan.
But I guess that makes me a fustilarian 🤷🏻♂️
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😂 plot twist
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I've heard of fopdoodle.
Wouldn't it be the ultimate surprise ending if Judy turned out to be a genius on a ten year troll?
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I've heard of fopdoodle.
Wouldn't it be the ultimate surprise ending if Judy turned out to be a genius on a ten year troll?
🤫
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Haha. I'll be sure to start imcorporating words like dolt, vacuous, dense, vapid, witless, barmy, fatuous, and dumb-ass to describe him.
These are rookie terms. Gonna need you to step it up a little bit.
Oh and it’s iNcorporating, not iMcorporating. Dumb-ass. See this is fun. Are you not entertained. Bitch.
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Tempo was kind of a rakefire. I miss him though and glad he’s back occasionally. The time away was kind of nice for all of us I think.
Rob’s life is kind of like a Scobberlotcher.
Jobu could be construed as somewhat of a Skelpie-Limmer.
MiniDitka is a Snoutband.
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Old 97's quip about starting new threads provoked a brief, grudging respect.
Kind of like a gas pain.
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MiniDitka is a Snoutband.
More of a truth seeker I think.
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More of a truth seeker I think.
Listen here you Yaldson....😡😂
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It's depressing to contemplate that Judy probably found Thesaurus.com by Googling "how to find big words."
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It's depressing to contemplate that Judy probably found Thesaurus.com by Googling "how to find big words."
Oh and you’re so intelligent and a natural sesquipedalian huh. Your ego is way too fucking big.
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https://youtu.be/rPc2NGzwXQA
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https://youtu.be/rPc2NGzwXQA
😂
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Pretty sure skin color is a factor as well, no?
It’s a bonus.
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Tempo’s coaching attributes wishlist:
1. Dazzling urbanite
2. Doesn’t yell at black kids
3. Doesn’t mean mug black kids
4. Is good role model for black kids
5. Wins basketball games
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Tempo’s coaching attributes wishlist:
1. Dazzling urbanite
2. Doesn’t yell at black kids
3. Doesn’t mean mug black kids
4. Is good role model for black kids
5. Wins basketball games
He feels REALLY bad about that white privilege!!
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Prolly treats his paychecks as reparation money.
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He’s been very open about his white guilt. And that’s great, he can even have mine if he wants it!
But as is our custom here, we shall not let it go unnoticed or undiscussed.
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Tempo’s coaching attributes wishlist:
1. Dazzling urbanite
2. Doesn’t yell at black kids
3. Doesn’t mean mug black kids
4. Is good role model for black kids
5. Wins basketball games
I like it...
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He’s been very open about his white guilt. And that’s great, he can even have mine if he wants it!
But as is our custom here, we shall not let it go unnoticed or undiscussed.
Fat and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
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He feels REALLY bad about that white privilege!!
Perhaps. But mostly I just feel bad about injustice and inequality.
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Fat and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
Forgot the drunk part
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Forgot the drunk part
Damn, you’re right. Sober up too, while you’re at it.
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Perhaps. But mostly I just feel bad about injustice and inequality.
why, were you the one perpetrating it?
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why, were you the one perpetrating it?
Very good question.... 🤔
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Come on, man. You can't butcher a line from one of the greatest movies ever made.
Interesting that you left out the drunk part. Freudian.
I thought you died?
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why, were you the one perpetrating it?
Doubt it will help, but try looking up the word “systemic.”
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Doubt it will help, but try looking up the word “systemic.”
why should I feel bad over others acting shitty? I have nothing to do with them, and certainly can't control them...
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why should I feel bad over others acting shitty? I have nothing to do with them, and certainly can't control them...
Next word, “sociopath.”
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why should I feel bad over others acting shitty?
Exactly....great point! You’re on a roll. You can only control yourself and aren’t responsible for those shitty people. Oh and btw there’s always gonna be shitty people. No matter what laws/rules/regulations you put in place.
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Next word, “sociopath.”
haha yeah that opinion doesn't qualify me, as I still care quite a bit for others that aren't shitty people
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Exactly....great point! You’re on a roll. You can only control yourself and aren’t responsible for those shitty people. Oh and btw there’s always gonna be shitty people. No matter what laws/rules/regulations you put in place.
Exactly! Civil Rights legislation? Equal rights and equal opportunity for all? Accountability individually AND COLLECTIVELY? Pffttt! What a joke! Amirite?!
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haha yeah that opinion doesn't qualify me, as I still care quite a bit for others that aren't shitty people
I’m not sure you do. I think you truly think black people and minorities have it “just as good as you.”
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haha yeah that opinion doesn't qualify me, as I still care quite a bit for others that aren't shitty people
What’s with your sig? Did you win a contest, or a poll?
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I’m not sure you do. I think you truly think black people and minorities have it “just as good as you.”
Did you just say that all black people are shitty people?
Yikes bro
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What’s with your sig? Did you win a contest, or a poll?
I don't remember now, but PMan gave it to me I think
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Next word, “sociopath.”
Hahaha
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I don't remember now, but PMan gave it to me I think
Correct
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Jesus Christ. And I'm the one being told that I'm bringing back the old HQ bullshit.
Bloody fucking hell.
Bring back IlliniVette next.
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He was brought in to make our athletic programs and facilities better. Do you think as a whole we are better off now or in the fall of 2015? There are 13 other teams in the conference spending big money and trying to win too.
As to the second paragraph it’s kinda always this way. We are good once in a while. Most of the non-Chicago Illini fans embrace it for what it is and revel in the moment. The Chicago people, being in a pro sports town, make extra sure to be cynical and throw a wet blanket on everything.
Here we are!!!
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When Guenther Lite has the Big Ten Regular Season Champs banner made, will he also have a 2020-2021 National Championship banner made too?
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Can't wait to hear Josh at the BTT banner ceremony.
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Can't wait to hear Josh at the BTT banner ceremony.
It is the same goddamned fucking bullshit every motherfucking year.
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Maybe Josh can pen a letter about how Loyola was seeded poorly.
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Maybe Josh can pen a letter about how Loyola was seeded poorly.
To be fair they were...
https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-basketball-poll
not sure why the AP #17 ranked team got an 8 seed but it doesn't matter, we're AP #2 with 2 All americans, big ten champs, and should have won had we not tried to play like this all fucking day
(https://recruitingdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2014/09/head-up-ass.jpg)
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It is the same goddamned fucking bullshit every motherfucking year.
Maybe Brad will leave and we'll get to see him hire Steve Alford or Tom Crean and call it a home run.
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Maybe Josh can pen a letter about how Loyola was seeded poorly.
Hahaha
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Maybe Brad will leave and we'll get to see him hire Steve Alford or Tom Crean and call it a home run.
*shudders*
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To be fair they were...
https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-basketball-poll
not sure why the AP #17 ranked team got an 8 seed but it doesn't matter, we're AP #2 with 2 All americans, big ten champs, and should have won had we not tried to play like this all fucking day
(https://recruitingdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2014/09/head-up-ass.jpg)
Sure, I agree. But maybe Josh can pen a letter about it...
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not sure why the AP #17 ranked team got an 8 seed
Because we have the dumbest system in sports for bracketing a major tournament.
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#Wewilltrytowinagain16yearslater
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https://www.wcia.com/sports/your-illini-nation/josh-whitman-set-to-receive-contract-extension-raise/
CHAMPAIGN (WCIA) — Illinois athletic director Josh Whitman is set to receive a four-year contract extension and six-figure raise, pending Board of Trustees approval at its regularly scheduled meeting next week.
If approved, Whitman’s contract will go through June 2028, with an initial raise of $175,000. The new terms would begin next week. Per the contract details obtained by WCIA 3, Whitman will receive $50,000 annual raises through 2028, in addition to being eligible for incentive compensation up to $300,000 per year.
Year Base
Salary Maximum Incentive Compensation.
5/20/2022–6/30/2023 $975,000 $300,000
7/01/2023–6/30/2024 $1,025,000 $300,000
7/01/2024–6/30/2025 $1,075,000 $300,000
7/01/2025–6/30/2026 $1,125,000 $300,000
7/01/2026–6/30/2027 $1,175,000 $300,000
7/01/2027–6/30/2028 $1,225,000 $300,000
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Haha, wow. If anyone tells me they’re against NIL, I will tell you to go fuck yourself.
There is so god damn much money out there. It’s amazing.
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Haha, wow. If anyone tells me they’re against NIL, I will tell you to go fuck yourself.
There is so god damn much money out there. It’s amazing.
And now we know where part of the hockey money went....
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Many here will have a boner over this....
https://news.illinois.edu/view/6367/1164460586
Board to consider extension for Athletics Director Whitman through 2031
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Because he actually voted to use winning percentage?
Good to see you posting Tempo.
❤️
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https://www.wcia.com/sports/your-illini-nation/josh-whitman-set-to-receive-contract-extension-raise/
CHAMPAIGN (WCIA) — Illinois athletic director Josh Whitman is set to receive a four-year contract extension and six-figure raise, pending Board of Trustees approval at its regularly scheduled meeting next week.
If approved, Whitman’s contract will go through June 2028, with an initial raise of $175,000. The new terms would begin next week. Per the contract details obtained by WCIA 3, Whitman will receive $50,000 annual raises through 2028, in addition to being eligible for incentive compensation up to $300,000 per year.
Year Base
Salary Maximum Incentive Compensation.
5/20/2022–6/30/2023 $975,000 $300,000
7/01/2023–6/30/2024 $1,025,000 $300,000
7/01/2024–6/30/2025 $1,075,000 $300,000
7/01/2025–6/30/2026 $1,125,000 $300,000
7/01/2026–6/30/2027 $1,175,000 $300,000
7/01/2027–6/30/2028 $1,225,000 $300,000
Lotta Coin for little ole Illinois Livin
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I assume this factors in re Whitman's extension.
"During Whitman’s seven years, student-athletes have posted a combined grade-point average of above 3.12. A recent cohort saw a student-athlete graduation success rate of 95%, equaling the highest ever recorded at Illinois."
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I assume this factors in re Whitman's extension.
"During Whitman’s seven years, student-athletes have posted a combined grade-point average of above 3.12. A recent cohort saw a student-athlete graduation success rate of 95%, equaling the highest ever recorded at Illinois."
Yay us.
We certainly know wins and losses and Tournament wins from the 2 revenue generating sports are not factors.
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Yay us.
We certainly know wins and losses and Tournament wins from the 2 revenue generating sports are not factors.
You could have a chat with the decision makers about that but they may also bring up facility upgrades and the non-revenue sports as well as the academics.
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You could have a chat with the decision makers about that but they may also bring up facility upgrades and the non-revenue sports as well as the academics.
Again, have good basketball and football teams and you will be swimming in cash (including cash from the state) and not Asian butthole. No one gives a crap about non-revenue country club sports except the parents of the student-athletes.
Need to start thinking big, like MI, OSU, Alabama, even Wisconsin, instead of small. The public at large and the Illinois legislature does not care that Illinois and Wisconsin are tied for 9th in public universities. The Wisconsin "brand" shines far brighter with the public and politicians than Illinois'.
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Wisconsin has now had 30 years of a respectable to good football program. A good chunk of those years were under our current head coach.
Just seven years ago we had an interim AD and interim coach due to a player abuse scandal caused by walking clown show Tim Beckman, along with some of the worst facilities in the Big Ten.
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Wisconsin has now had 30 years of a respectable to good football program. A good chunk of those years were under our current head coach.
Just seven years ago we had an interim AD and interim coach due to a player abuse scandal caused by walking clown show Tim Beckman, along with some of the worst facilities in the Big Ten.
Basically, because Guenther, Jr. can jog and chew gum at the same time unlike his predecessors, he needs to be extended and further enriched.
Contrary to the Scorat Bored idiots, the lesson to be learned from Illini basketball post-Weber was that the mistake was not in firing Weber, but in hiring even bigger buffoons to replace him. Guenther, Jr. gets props because the current guy is not as bad as the guy he hired when he first started and the idiots before that guy. Nice work if you can get it.
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Again, have good basketball and football teams and you will be swimming in cash (including cash from the state) and not Asian butthole. No one gives a crap about non-revenue country club sports except the parents of the student-athletes.
Need to start thinking big, like MI, OSU, Alabama, even Wisconsin, instead of small. The public at large and the Illinois legislature does not care that Illinois and Wisconsin are tied for 9th in public universities. The Wisconsin "brand" shines far brighter with the public and politicians than Illinois'.
(https://i.ibb.co/BsR7Frr/Screenshot-20231103-113903.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Th5ndbb)
"Need to start thinking big, like MI, OSU, Alabama, even Wisconsin, instead of small."
Hearty guffaw.
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(https://i.ibb.co/BsR7Frr/Screenshot-20231103-113903.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Th5ndbb)
"Need to start thinking big, like MI, OSU, Alabama, even Wisconsin, instead of small."
Hearty guffaw.
Have to start somewhere. Like getting the fan base to care enough to be completely pissed off and bring pressure to the administration (not the AD's office) instead of just "not going" as Custard has previous mentioned. COVID-era, as in the photo you posted, does not count.
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Basically, because Guenther, Jr. can jog and chew gum at the same time unlike his predecessors, he needs to be extended and further enriched.
Contrary to the Scorat Bored idiots, the lesson to be learned from Illini basketball post-Weber was that the mistake was not in firing Weber, but in hiring even bigger buffoons to replace him. Guenther, Jr. gets props because the current guy is not as bad as the guy he hired when he first started and the idiots before that guy. Nice work if you can get it.
During his tenure we have seen marked improvements in performance, fundraising, and facilities in nearly every sport that Illinois offers.
I get that we all want to be amongst the elite right away, but Lord Guenther put us in a 20 year hole when it came to the revenue sports arms race.
Still don’t understand how throwing fits online holds anyone at the university accountable. We’ve greatly upgraded our facilities and the donor/fanbase has been reengaged. Our on-field performance has improved. We’ve got coaches that have proven they can win at a high level.
What we need to take the next step is lots and lots of NIL money. If we are half the university we think we are at cranking out successful graduates, we shouldn’t be losing many NIL battles.
As much as people hate the NIL/transfer portal era, there actually has never been a better time for a sleeping giant like Illinois to wake up.
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During his tenure we have seen marked improvements in performance, fundraising, and facilities in nearly every sport that Illinois offers.
I get that we all want to be amongst the elite right away, but Lord Guenther put us in a 20 year hole when it came to the revenue sports arms race.
Still don’t understand how throwing fits online holds anyone at the university accountable. We’ve greatly upgraded our facilities and the donor/fanbase has been reengaged. Our on-field performance has improved. We’ve got coaches that have proven they can win at a high level.
What we need to take the next step is lots and lots of NIL money. If we are half the university we think we are at cranking out successful graduates, we shouldn’t be losing many NIL battles.
As much as people hate the NIL/transfer portal era, there actually has never been a better time for a sleeping giant like Illinois to wake up.
Elite? How about competent? We can review again that we can't get get to the second weekend even with 2 AAs in basketball. We have seen the shit on the football field since last October.
All I am seeing is: Well, he is doing better than the guys before him. That makes him the taller midget. People are not raising hell, like they would be at say MI (like when Rich Rod was there) or OSU, to make the admin consider that it would beneficial to their bottom line and national status if they took the revenue sports seriously (instead of hampering them with BS admission rules etc.). Do you really think the admin takes this stuff seriously?
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I am calling for HQ2 members to go on a hunger strike until
a) Underachiever wins the first weekend to get the Illini into the S16; AND
b) Bielema goes to back-to-back bowl games.
Who is in?
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I am calling for HQ2 members to go on a hunger strike until
a) Underachiever wins the first weekend to get the Illini into the S16; AND
b) Bielema goes to back-to-back bowl games.
Who is in?
I'm trying to lose a little weight, but I'm not going on a hunger strike for anything, lol.
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I'm trying to lose a little weight, but I'm not going on a hunger strike for anything, lol.
How about refraining from giving your wife the D until those 2 events happen?
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How about refraining from giving your wife the D until those 2 events happen?
Lol, nope.
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Best I can do is pledge to not make fun of Tempo, no matter how much he deserves it.
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Best I can do is pledge to not make fun of Tempo, no matter how much he deserves it.
Bullshit. You’d go two years without pussy before you’d do that.
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Bullshit. You’d go two years without pussy before you’d do that.
Yeah, don't see that happening.
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Best I can do is pledge to not make fun of Tempo, no matter how much he deserves it.
How does it go ?
Oh yeah, chortle.
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How does it go ?
Oh yeah, chortle.
Yes. And har har
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Bullshit. You’d go two years without pussy before you’d do that.
It would be a sacrifice for sure
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Weird.
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Weird.
Are you joining the hunger strike?
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How about we all just keep eating but each pledge money to buy a good player in the portal?
Tempo can help with talent evaluation/driver’s license status of recruits.
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Elite? How about competent? We can review again that we can't get get to the second weekend even with 2 AAs in basketball. We have seen the shit on the football field since last October.
All I am seeing is: Well, he is doing better than the guys before him. That makes him the taller midget. People are not raising hell, like they would be at say MI (like when Rich Rod was there) or OSU, to make the admin consider that it would beneficial to their bottom line and national status if they took the revenue sports seriously (instead of hampering them with BS admission rules etc.). Do you really think the admin takes this stuff seriously?
You realize those football programs have been multi-generational powerhouses with only relatively minor blips in the continuity of their high levels of success, right?
As such, we aren’t even on the same planet as them in terms of athletic budgets or facilities. They attract the very best coaches in the business and pay them whatever it takes to get them. They attract the very best players from the HS ranks and from the portal. Their stadiums hold almost double what ours does. It’s practically a self-fulfilling system.
Meanwhile you seem to think all this can be fixed by people raising hell? Where do you think the pressure and buyout money comes from when our sports teams suck? The people raising hell! Our donors are willing to pay a top 10 basketball salary.
Brad Underwood has not been incompetent here. He needs to win in the tourney, but he’s been grossly competent in almost every metric since rebuilding the program.
Bret Bielema took a horrific 2 win team and went 5-7 and 8-4 in his first two years. That is not incompetence.
Football has taken a big step back this year after losing a shitload of talent, and everyone knew it would happen. Most people paying attention expected 5-6 wins at best. Which is still definitely on the table at this point. That Wisconsin loss was devastating in every way, but trying to have some perspective here.
The real test will be to see what adjustments are made and how we look going forward as his guys mature and he instills the type of system that made Wisconsin successful. FFS, Barry Alvarez himself only won 11 games total his first three seasons. (Yes he broke through big time in his 4th season, but it should be noted that this was when Michigan and Ohio State were in a relative lull under Moeller and Cooper and teams like Iowa, NW, MSU, etc were weak)
Illinois was basically an afterthought for the entirety of the 2010s in both sports. We certainly haven’t turned the corner yet, but I’m sure having a lot more fun now that I was then. Lots of progress has been made on multiple fronts. But no, Whitman hadn’t managed to snap his fingers and undo decades of mismanagement and turn us into OSU or Michigan.
A ton of blame still lays at the feet of Guenther for declining to participate in the athletics arms race, and yes, the admin for not understanding the value of successful athletic programs. Whitman has done a lot to reverse that, but it takes time. This was always going to be a slow build, and it’s a lot easier on the mind and heart to remember that.
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Are you joining the hunger strike?
As long as everyone else is in, I'm in.
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You realize those football programs have been multi-generational powerhouses with only relatively minor blips in the continuity of their high levels of success, right?
As such, we aren’t even on the same planet as them in terms of athletic budgets or facilities. They attract the very best coaches in the business and pay them whatever it takes to get them. They attract the very best players from the HS ranks and from the portal. Their stadiums hold almost double what ours does. It’s practically a self-fulfilling system.
Meanwhile you seem to think all this can be fixed by people raising hell? Where do you think the pressure and buyout money comes from when our sports teams suck? The people raising hell! Our donors are willing to pay a top 10 basketball salary.
Brad Underwood has not been incompetent here. He needs to win in the tourney, but he’s been grossly competent in almost every metric since rebuilding the program.
Bret Bielema took a horrific 2 win team and went 5-7 and 8-4 in his first two years. That is not incompetence.
Football has taken a big step back this year after losing a shitload of talent, and everyone knew it would happen. Most people paying attention expected 5-6 wins at best. Which is still definitely on the table at this point. That Wisconsin loss was devastating in every way, but trying to have some perspective here.
The real test will be to see what adjustments are made and how we look going forward as his guys mature and he instills the type of system that made Wisconsin successful. FFS, Barry Alvarez himself only won 11 games total his first three seasons. (Yes he broke through big time in his 4th season, but it should be noted that this was when Michigan and Ohio State were in a relative lull under Moeller and Cooper and teams like Iowa, NW, MSU, etc were weak)
Illinois was basically an afterthought for the entirety of the 2010s in both sports. We certainly haven’t turned the corner yet, but I’m sure having a lot more fun now that I was then. Lots of progress has been made on multiple fronts. But no, Whitman hadn’t managed to snap his fingers and undo decades of mismanagement and turn us into OSU or Michigan.
A ton of blame still lays at the feet of Guenther for declining to participate in the athletics arms race, and yes, the admin for not understanding the value of successful athletic programs. Whitman has done a lot to reverse that, but it takes time. This was always going to be a slow build, and it’s a lot easier on the mind and heart to remember that.
Good post.
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Good post.
Just more excuses, Judy. Custard is the Bears' Tempo.
No one is pressuring the admin to do squat. No one has Whitman's feet to the fire about the lack of success in March. Illini fans just accept the crap and get excited every 10 years or so about a basketball or football team that does well. You talk about stadium capacity while failing to mention the reduced capacity at Illinois has been intentional.
By all accounts, Bielema's recruiting has been shit.
We have also read here, that Underachiever does not have much in the cupboard after this year.
There is no grand vision from the admin, there probably never has been except maybe when Mort Weir was around, for how athletics could add to the university's prestige.
To paraphrase Legends, "small thinking" has always applied to Illini athletics and its fans.
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Just more excuses, Judy. Custard is the Bears' Tempo.
No one is pressuring the admin to do squat. No one has Whitman's feet to the fire about the lack of success in March. Illini fans just accept the crap and get excited every 10 years or so about a basketball or football team that does well. You talk about stadium capacity while failing to mention the reduced capacity at Illinois has been intentional.
By all accounts, Bielema's recruiting has been shit.
We have also read here, that Underachiever does not have much in the cupboard after this year.
There is no grand vision from the admin, there probably never has been except maybe when Mort Weir was around, for how athletics could add to the university's prestige.
To paraphrase Legends, "small thinking" has always applied to Illini athletics and its fans.
What’s your solution?
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You talk about stadium capacity while failing to mention the reduced capacity at Illinois has been intentional.
I miss these days. >:(
(https://i.ibb.co/rcwwdmN/Screenshot-20231103-131504.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LJZZN8H)
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For better or worse, no AD is getting fired from Illinois if the 20+ year boosters can go to games without being totally embarrassed by the association.
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Well, the AgressiveSon has something in common with Whitman...name inscribed on a Bronze Tablet.
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Well, the AgressiveSon has something in common with Whitman...name inscribed on a Bronze Tablet.
Congrats!
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Congrats!
Thanks, Judge Judy!
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Well, the AgressiveSon has something in common with Whitman...name inscribed on a Bronze Tablet.
Nice! He must have gotten his smarts from the PassiveWife!
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Well, the AgressiveSon has something in common with Whitman...name inscribed on a Bronze Tablet.
Congratulations to the ASon and the PAParents. 👏👏
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Thanks to one and all!
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Well, the AgressiveSon has something in common with Whitman...name inscribed on a Bronze Tablet.
Very nice! Golden era?