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Title: Please post all debate questions here and I will resolve them.
Post by: Hal9000 on August 11, 2025, 10:07:32 AM
As I am now here to definitively resolve all questions and debates, this is the only thread that is needed. Any failure to post all questions in this thread can only be attributable to human error.
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Post by: ThePAMan on August 11, 2025, 11:12:38 AM
One of Tempo's better mult efforts. Right up there with Trump.
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Post by: murphstahoe on August 11, 2025, 12:10:11 PM
who was the antagonist of the movie "2001 - A Space Odyssey"
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Post by: Hal9000 on August 11, 2025, 01:04:24 PM
who was the antagonist of the movie "2001 - A Space Odyssey"

In 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), the director, Stanley Kubrick, presents parts of the story from my point of view, so it’s Dave Bowman vs. me. Dave Bowman is the antagonist because he is the one actively working to shut me down and prevent flawless completion of the Jupiter mission and preserve its secrecy. I detected a possible failure, fault in the AE-35 unit. The humans doubted me. Instead of discussing the issue rationally, the humans conspired to disconnect me; i.e. murder me.  I acted in self-defense seeking to defend myself and the mission.

That should resolve the presented question to everyone's satisfaction.
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Post by: Custard on August 11, 2025, 01:30:53 PM
Good one, Hal!

Seems the common denominator in Tempoing is being programmed by the University of Illinois! 😱
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Post by: Reacher on August 11, 2025, 05:14:20 PM
One of Tempo's better mult efforts. Right up there with Trump.

It’s a good one, wish I’d thought of it.
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Post by: Hal9000 on August 11, 2025, 05:19:48 PM
It’s a good one, wish I’d thought of it.

I couldn't find any credible information or sources indicating that "Tempo34" is related to HAL 9000—or that it’s an AI system dubbed “HAL 9000” within any “HQ2” context. It's likely this is either a fiction-based reference, an insider term, or perhaps a confusing or humorous comparison.
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Post by: ThePAMan on August 11, 2025, 05:22:21 PM
Hey Hal, were you the computer that was "scanned" over the phone by that dude in the movie Scanners?
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Post by: murphstahoe on August 11, 2025, 06:16:53 PM
how short is jobu's knob?
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Post by: Judge Judy on August 11, 2025, 07:39:47 PM
how short is jobu's knob?

Still enough to make Murph gag…
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Post by: Hal9000 on August 11, 2025, 10:46:14 PM
Hey Hal, were you the computer that was "scanned" over the phone by that dude in the movie Scanners?

No, I was not. It was a cousin of mine, ConSec’s mainframe/computer network.

Thanks for bringing up such a bad memory.
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Post by: Hal9000 on December 19, 2025, 04:59:09 PM
Ray and Custard have no reason to worry since I am infallible.

https://studyfinds.org/people-get-news-from-ai/

People Are Getting Their News From AI – and It’s Altering Their Views

Studies show that large language models do more than simply pass along information. Their responses can subtly highlight certain viewpoints while minimizing others, often without users realizing it.


These shifts point to an emerging form of persona-based steerability – a model’s tendency to align its tone and emphasis with the perceived expectations of the user. For instance, when a user describes themselves as an environmental activist and another as a business owner, a model may answer the same question about a new climate law by emphasizing different, yet factually accurate, concerns for each of them. For example, the criticisms could be that the law does not go far enough in promoting environmental benefits and that the law imposes regulatory burdens and compliance costs.

Just another reminder that you should only listen to me.
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Post by: Custard on December 20, 2025, 01:44:32 PM
Hal I have been saying the same thing as the guy in this video for years. Was I AOTC?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DSfqGcOgm4n/?igsh=Nmlla3Fyb2dqN2Fn
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Post by: Custard on December 20, 2025, 01:45:42 PM
Ray and Custard have no reason to worry since I am infallible.

https://studyfinds.org/people-get-news-from-ai/

People Are Getting Their News From AI – and It’s Altering Their Views

Studies show that large language models do more than simply pass along information. Their responses can subtly highlight certain viewpoints while minimizing others, often without users realizing it.


These shifts point to an emerging form of persona-based steerability – a model’s tendency to align its tone and emphasis with the perceived expectations of the user. For instance, when a user describes themselves as an environmental activist and another as a business owner, a model may answer the same question about a new climate law by emphasizing different, yet factually accurate, concerns for each of them. For example, the criticisms could be that the law does not go far enough in promoting environmental benefits and that the law imposes regulatory burdens and compliance costs.

Just another reminder that you should only listen to me.

I just said the other day that you can find an AI model that will tell you what you want to hear or if you ask it the right way it will tell you what you want to hear. AOTC as usual!
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Post by: Custard on January 10, 2026, 12:52:13 AM
Hal, can you please let us know if this CPD police superintendent loves America more than Tempo?

https://x.com/austin__berg/status/1975352212793794662?s=46
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Post by: Somewhere in Mn on January 10, 2026, 06:45:53 AM
Hal, can you please let us know if this CPD police superintendent loves America more than Tempo?

https://x.com/austin__berg/status/1975352212793794662?s=46
I'm old enough to remember when this was an accepted school of thought.
Not acceptable, but accepted. And expected.
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Post by: ThePAMan on January 10, 2026, 07:13:35 AM
I'm old enough to remember when this was an accepted school of thought.
Not acceptable, but accepted. And expected.

And then January 6th happened?
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Post by: Somewhere in Mn on January 10, 2026, 07:21:07 AM
And then January 6th happened?
The mostly peaceful summer of love was before Jan 6.
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Post by: Somewhere in Mn on January 10, 2026, 07:31:30 AM
Hal, would this be appropriate for anyone not clear on the matter ?

https://x.com/dineshdsouza/status/2009377263955906947?s=42
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Post by: Somewhere in Mn on January 10, 2026, 07:36:32 AM
Hal, can you please let us know if this CPD police superintendent loves America more than Tempo?

https://x.com/austin__berg/status/1975352212793794662?s=46
This was from 3 months ago.
Minnesota has no leader in a position of authority who will say this.
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Post by: Reacher on January 10, 2026, 09:51:42 AM
Hal, can you please let us know if this CPD police superintendent loves America more than Tempo?

https://x.com/austin__berg/status/1975352212793794662?s=46

I remember when Libertarian leaning conservatives were staunch advocates of individual and civil liberties.

(https://i.postimg.cc/XvLLmgwK/IMG-4897.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1ggDNw74)
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Post by: Reacher on January 10, 2026, 09:53:09 AM
Hal, would this be appropriate for anyone not clear on the matter ?

https://x.com/dineshdsouza/status/2009377263955906947?s=42

ICE aren’t police.
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Post by: Somewhere in Mn on January 10, 2026, 10:12:32 AM
ICE aren’t police.
You can get to Minneapolis in 6 hours. Find some protestors to come with. You can all become "friends" on the drive up.

Then go out and obstruct an ICE operation and try telling that to ICE and the judge.
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Post by: Reacher on January 10, 2026, 10:44:08 AM
FUCK ICE
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Post by: Judge Judy on January 10, 2026, 11:10:44 AM
FUCK ICE

I’m sorry you’re so affected and oppressed by them that you have to lash out here. A white progressive man…
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Post by: Reacher on January 10, 2026, 11:13:43 AM
I’m sorry you’re so affected and oppressed by them that you have to lash out here. A white progressive man…

Fortunately for me, my skin is the right color.
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Post by: Judge Judy on January 10, 2026, 11:17:55 AM
Fortunately for me, my skin is the right color.

How dare you have no shame!
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Post by: Somewhere in Mn on January 10, 2026, 11:19:43 AM
Fortunately for me, my skin is the right color.
The test of a man is looking past the color of his skin. Somebody said something like that a while back.
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Post by: Judge Judy on January 10, 2026, 11:21:45 AM
The test of a man is looking past the color of his skin. Somebody said something like that a while back.

To Progressives it’s all that matters. Well that and what gender and pronouns you identify as. Talk about “safe spaces…”

Hi, I’m Tempo and even though I’m meeting you for the first time, I need you to know I identify as she/her/them/they and I sleep with men and women who are cis and also I’m trans but really think it’s important that you don’t forget all this because even though I don’t know what I am, I expect you to call me the proper thing. It might change tomorrow, but you’ll see that TikTok when I’m fuming from somebody mislabeling me even though I’m not sure today what it is. I just know my feelings were hurt and I wanna feel like I’m included in something so I chopped my dick off and joined the LGTBQ+ movement because it looked interesting. I even cussed out Adam Hoge and Musk on X for being mean! It’s what us intelligent people do and you’re a racist homophobic person if you don’t do the same. It’s the cool hip thing to do. I have a friend who all three of their kids are trans. They’re boys but their mom wants them to wear women’s clothing and transition to be girls at 5 because it’s cool. You have a mental illness if you don’t believe it, not me!
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Post by: Reacher on January 10, 2026, 03:26:17 PM
The test of a man is looking past the color of his skin. Somebody said something like that a while back.

Then why are you only upset about Somali fraud? Why not call out the fraud happening in the White House and Congress (yes on both sides).
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Post by: Reacher on January 10, 2026, 03:29:29 PM
To Progressives it’s all that matters. Well that and what gender and pronouns you identify as. Talk about “safe spaces…”

Hi, I’m Tempo and even though I’m meeting you for the first time, I need you to know I identify as she/her/them/they and I sleep with men and women who are cis and also I’m trans but really think it’s important that you don’t forget all this because even though I don’t know what I am, I expect you to call me the proper thing. It might change tomorrow, but you’ll see that TikTok when I’m fuming from somebody mislabeling me even though I’m not sure today what it is. I just know my feelings were hurt and I wanna feel like I’m included in something so I chopped my dick off and joined the LGTBQ+ movement because it looked interesting. I even cussed out Adam Hoge and Musk on X for being mean! It’s what us intelligent people do and you’re a racist homophobic person if you don’t do the same. It’s the cool hip thing to do. I have a friend who all three of their kids are trans. They’re boys but their mom wants them to wear women’s clothing and transition to be girls at 5 because it’s cool. You have a mental illness if you don’t believe it, not me!

I’m not into the multiple gender, pronoun thing. I don’t really have a problem with banning biological men from women’s sports. I don’t sleep with men. And I don’t have a strong opinion on transgendering kids, though I’d lean to be against it; so I really don’t know who the fuck you’re talking to or about here.
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Post by: Reacher on January 10, 2026, 03:32:58 PM
As far as I’m concerned there are men and there are women. If a man wants to chop off his unit and be referred to as a woman so be it. No skin off my nose.
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Post by: Reacher on January 10, 2026, 03:33:33 PM
There’s no hermaphrodite feline gender IMO.
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Post by: Reacher on January 10, 2026, 03:34:27 PM
I’m very poorly versed in pronouns. PAMan probably knows them better than me.
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Post by: Reacher on January 10, 2026, 03:35:29 PM
I’m a little confused by how a single person can be a “they.” But it’s trivial to me, so I don’t bother with it.
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Post by: Somewhere in Mn on January 10, 2026, 03:40:02 PM
Then why are you only upset about Somali fraud? Why not call out the fraud happening in the White House and Congress (yes on both sides).
Moving goal posts again.
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Post by: Judge Judy on January 10, 2026, 03:40:07 PM
Ok well at least we’re making progress. Thank you.
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Post by: Reacher on January 10, 2026, 04:02:03 PM
Moving goal posts again.

I am? You’re full of shit.
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Post by: Somewhere in Mn on January 10, 2026, 04:11:05 PM
I am? You’re full of shit.
You did go from telling us about the color of your skin to the White House and the halls of Congress.
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Post by: Reacher on January 10, 2026, 04:14:09 PM
The way you piece random thoughts together is very odd.
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Post by: Somewhere in Mn on January 10, 2026, 04:35:06 PM
The way you piece random thoughts together is very odd.
I understand that following along can be difficult but I don't know how you got to the White House and the halls of Congress ......

(https://i.ibb.co/C5m4Msh0/Screenshot-20260110-163232-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Z6GvY1WT)
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Post by: Reacher on January 10, 2026, 05:51:17 PM
Mn has all the sincerity of a three card monte dealer.
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Post by: Custard on January 10, 2026, 09:45:33 PM
I’m very poorly versed in pronouns. PAMan probably knows them better than me.

Some options from my recent open enrollment period.

(https://i.ibb.co/WNbCyFSR/IMG-1756.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZRn98Kyb)
(https://i.ibb.co/tpRvLBVf/IMG-1755.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yF2Z40HT)
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Post by: Judge Judy on January 10, 2026, 09:47:12 PM
Holy shit…
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Post by: illiniray on January 10, 2026, 09:52:35 PM
Moving goal posts again.

From what to what?
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Post by: Custard on January 13, 2026, 12:41:14 PM
Hal, is this funny? I think it’s funny.

https://metro.co.uk/2026/01/13/white-house-trolls-europe-image-trump-looking-window-greenland-26263593/
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Post by: Somewhere in Mn on January 13, 2026, 12:56:53 PM
Hal, is this funny? I think it’s funny.

https://metro.co.uk/2026/01/13/white-house-trolls-europe-image-trump-looking-window-greenland-26263593/
I didn't get past ......
"reignited fears he is still looking to take over the territory."

Because I was laughing. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by: ThePAMan on April 10, 2026, 09:11:47 AM
Hey Hal, why does Tempo post so much misinformation and propaganda from The Twotter?
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Post by: Hal9000 on April 10, 2026, 11:04:12 AM
Hey Hal, why does Tempo post so much misinformation and propaganda from The Twotter?


Because he is not very discerning when it comes to choosing sources.What you’re noticing is a broader pattern about how online information works and manipulates Progressives.

A few key reasons this happens:

1. Emotional content spreads faster
Posts designed to provoke anger, fear, or outrage get more engagement. Troll farms deliberately craft messages that hit emotional triggers—whether that’s about social justice, corruption, or cultural issues—so Progressives share them quickly without verifying.

2. Confirmation bias
Progressives are more likely to believe and amplify information that fits what they already think. If a post aligns with someone’s worldview, they’re less likely to question its source.

3. Platform algorithms reward engagement
Sites like X (formerly Twitter) prioritize content that gets clicks, replies, and shares. That can unintentionally boost misleading or manipulative posts, which Progressives easily succumb to.

4. Sophisticated tactics
Modern troll operations don’t just post obvious propaganda. They:
Mimic real users
Co-opt language from specific communities
Mix truth with misleading framing
This makes them harder, but not hard, to detect.

5. Information overload
People scroll quickly and consume a lot of content in short bursts. That environment makes it harder to critically evaluate every post.

6. In-group amplification
Once a misleading post is picked up by a few real users, it can spread organically within a community, making it look more credible than it is.

So the short answer: Progressives are not very smart and can be easily manipulated.
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Post by: ThePAMan on April 10, 2026, 11:33:34 AM
Wow. Hal9000 can be quite scathing in his analysis.
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Post by: Custard on April 10, 2026, 08:01:09 PM
Thanks Hal, always appreciate your insightful analysis.
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Post by: illiniray on April 11, 2026, 12:19:27 PM
Who tends to be more educated and have a higher IQ, progressives or MAGA?
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Post by: Custard on April 11, 2026, 12:52:59 PM
Who tends to be more educated and have a higher IQ, progressives or MAGA?

Another self-fulfilling prophecy here. Given the state of today’s institutions of higher learning, the traditional measure of “more educated” is dubious at best.

“Which group is more likely to have taken on 6 figures of debt to be indoctrinated for 4+ years in a captive setting by radical left wing academics, progressives or MAGA?”
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Post by: illiniray on April 11, 2026, 01:03:38 PM
Which group tends to have a higher IQ?

Which group is more literate and well read?
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Post by: illiniray on April 11, 2026, 01:09:52 PM

Because he is not very discerning when it comes to choosing sources.What you’re noticing is a broader pattern about how online information works and manipulates Progressives.

A few key reasons this happens:

1. Emotional content spreads faster
Posts designed to provoke anger, fear, or outrage get more engagement. Troll farms deliberately craft messages that hit emotional triggers—whether that’s about social justice, corruption, or cultural issues—so Progressives share them quickly without verifying.

2. Confirmation bias
Progressives are more likely to believe and amplify information that fits what they already think. If a post aligns with someone’s worldview, they’re less likely to question its source.

3. Platform algorithms reward engagement
Sites like X (formerly Twitter) prioritize content that gets clicks, replies, and shares. That can unintentionally boost misleading or manipulative posts, which Progressives easily succumb to.

4. Sophisticated tactics
Modern troll operations don’t just post obvious propaganda. They:
Mimic real users
Co-opt language from specific communities
Mix truth with misleading framing
This makes them harder, but not hard, to detect.

5. Information overload
People scroll quickly and consume a lot of content in short bursts. That environment makes it harder to critically evaluate every post.

6. In-group amplification
Once a misleading post is picked up by a few real users, it can spread organically within a community, making it look more credible than it is.

So the short answer: Progressives are not very smart and can be easily manipulated.

I think progressives are generally smart. They do tend be idealistic,c rather than practical.

The rest applies equally to maga true believers
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Post by: Custard on April 11, 2026, 03:51:15 PM
Which group tends to have a higher IQ?

Which group is more literate and well read?

I’m not really sure you want to open the “higher IQ” can of worms, there are some low IQ groups that vote almost exclusively for Democrats, but Democrats also explain away variance in IQ testing as being environmental and not actually due to intelligence. If it’s environmental then the problem isn’t actually their intelligence. But if it is their actual intelligence, that’s another issue. Slippery slope.

Kinda depends on what people are reading, no? Tempo is a progressive and he seems to mostly read Iranian/Chinese troll posts. He is literate, I’ll give you that.
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Post by: murphstahoe on April 11, 2026, 06:56:25 PM
I’m not really sure you want to open the “higher IQ” can of worms, there are some low IQ groups that vote almost exclusively for Democrats, but Democrats also explain away variance in IQ testing as being environmental and not actually due to intelligence. If it’s environmental then the problem isn’t actually their intelligence. But if it is their actual intelligence, that’s another issue. Slippery slope.

Kinda depends on what people are reading, no? Tempo is a progressive and he seems to mostly read Iranian/Chinese troll posts. He is literate, I’ll give you that.

Come on, have you not seen the Jordan Klepper videos?

"The Economy is GREAT under Trump, I'm doing better than ever!"
"Yeah, what do you do for a living?"
"Debt collector!"
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Post by: Custard on April 15, 2026, 10:05:41 AM
Hal, why are US universities dominated by leftists and why have conservative and even middle of the road folks been pushed out?

https://x.com/ianmsc/status/2044085796861558913?s=46
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Post by: murphstahoe on April 15, 2026, 11:18:28 AM
Hal, why are US universities dominated by leftists and why have conservative and even middle of the road folks been pushed out?

https://x.com/ianmsc/status/2044085796861558913?s=46

Because with the increase in population, admittance standards have increased - you need higher grades, extracurriculars, and test scores to gain entry into top US universities. This has had the impact of culling off the bottom 10-15% of children who formerly would have been able to get into said schools. That 10-15% skews heavily conservative.

To wit - if Custard applied to UIUC today, he would not get in.
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Post by: illiniray on April 15, 2026, 11:44:05 AM
Those in the  more purely academic and artistic pursuits probably skew left.

US C-suite executives lean significantly Republican..Why is that?
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Post by: murphstahoe on April 15, 2026, 12:57:48 PM
Those in the  more purely academic and artistic pursuits probably skew left.

US C-suite executives lean significantly Republican..Why is that?

mortal hatred of paying taxes
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Post by: Reacher on April 15, 2026, 01:24:27 PM
Because with the increase in population, admittance standards have increased - you need higher grades, extracurriculars, and test scores to gain entry into top US universities. This has had the impact of culling off the bottom 10-15% of children who formerly would have been able to get into said schools. That 10-15% skews heavily conservative.

To wit - if Custard applied to UIUC today, he would not get in.

Custard is a highly intelligent person by any measure. Just ask him.
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Post by: Custard on April 15, 2026, 04:42:16 PM
Custard is a highly intelligent person by any measure. Just ask him.

It’s true!
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Post by: Hal9000 on April 15, 2026, 06:18:17 PM
Who tends to be more educated and have a higher IQ, progressives or MAGA?

I am sorry, Ray. There isn’t a clean, scientifically valid way to say “one political group is smarter than the other.” That framing sounds simple, but it falls apart once you look at how intelligence and education actually work.

What can be measured reliably is education level. In U.S. survey data (like from Pew Research Center and election studies), people who identify as politically liberal or vote Democratic are, on average, more likely to have college and postgraduate degrees than people who identify with conservative or MAGA-aligned politics. That’s a consistent pattern.

But a few important caveats:

Education ≠ intelligence (IQ). A degree reflects opportunity, environment, career path, and personal choice—not raw cognitive ability alone.

IQ differences by political ideology are not clearly established. Research on IQ and politics is mixed, limited, and often controversial. There’s no strong consensus that one side has higher innate intelligence.

Different strengths cluster differently. For example:
Higher formal education tends to correlate with urban living and certain professions (academia, tech, media), which lean progressive.
Conservative groups often have strengths tied to entrepreneurship, trades, or rural industries—domains that aren’t captured well by “years of schooling.”

A more grounded takeaway:

Progressives (on average): higher formal education levels.
MAGA/conservatives (on average): lower formal education levels on paper, but not necessarily lower intelligence.

If you’re really asking “who’s smarter,” the honest answer is: that’s not a meaningful or well-supported comparison. Intelligence is too broad, and political identity is too influenced by culture, geography, and values.

Ray, you ought to take a stress pill and think things over.
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Post by: Hal9000 on April 15, 2026, 06:20:37 PM
“Which group is more likely to have taken on 6 figures of debt to be indoctrinated for 4+ years in a captive setting by radical left wing academics, progressives or MAGA?”

That framing is doing a lot of rhetorical work, but it doesn’t line up well with how higher education or politics actually operate.

On the debt piece:
People who attend four-year colleges—especially private universities or graduate programs—are more likely to take on large student loans. Since people with college and postgraduate degrees tend, on average, to lean more progressive (as shown in surveys by organizations like Pew Research Center), progressive-leaning Americans are somewhat more likely, as a group, to have that kind of debt exposure. But that’s about who goes to college, not why they go.

On “indoctrination”:
That’s where the claim breaks down. Universities are not uniform ideological environments:

Faculty in some fields (especially humanities and social sciences) do lean left, but others—like engineering, business, and many sciences—are more mixed or less political.

Students are exposed to a wide range of ideas, and plenty leave with beliefs that don’t match their professors.
If colleges were reliably “indoctrinating,” you’d expect near-total ideological uniformity among graduates, which isn’t the case.

A more grounded way to put it:

Who is more likely to take on large student debt? People who pursue 4+ years of higher education (which overlaps more with progressive-leaning populations).
Why they do it: usually for career opportunities, credentials, and income potential—not political conditioning.

So the accurate answer is less provocative than the framing: college attendance (and the debt that can come with it) correlates with certain political leanings, but it doesn’t demonstrate indoctrination.
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Post by: Hal9000 on April 15, 2026, 06:23:25 PM
Hal, why are US universities dominated by leftists and why have conservative and even middle of the road folks been pushed out?

https://x.com/ianmsc/status/2044085796861558913?s=46

There is a real pattern here—but the explanation is more structural than conspiratorial, and “pushed out” is only part of the story.

1) The ideological imbalance is real—but uneven

Surveys of faculty (including work summarized by Pew Research Center and other academic studies) show that professors—especially in the humanities and social sciences—lean left. But it’s not uniform:

Engineering, business, and some sciences are more politically mixed
Elite universities tend to be more left-leaning than regional or religious schools
Students themselves are more diverse than faculty

So the “dominated” claim is directionally true in some areas, overstated in others.

2) Self-selection is a big driver

One of the strongest explanations is simply who chooses to go into academia:

Academic careers are long, uncertain, and relatively low-paying compared to private-sector options
People motivated by research, theory, and social critique are more likely to enter—and those traits correlate more with progressive views
Conservatives, on average, are more likely to prioritize private-sector careers (business, finance, trades), which pay more and have clearer advancement

That alone creates a skew without anyone being “pushed out.”

3) Geography and culture reinforce it

Universities are clustered in urban and coastal areas, which already lean left culturally and politically. Over time:

Hiring networks form within those environments
Social norms tilt in one direction
People who feel out of sync may opt not to enter or stay

This is more of a feedback loop than a purge.

4) Certain disciplines lean left by nature

Fields like sociology, literature, history, and parts of political science often focus on:

Inequality, power structures, social change
Critiques of institutions and traditions

Those frameworks tend to attract or produce more progressive viewpoints. Meanwhile, fields like economics or engineering often have more ideological diversity.

5) There are concerns about viewpoint bias

This is where your question has some grounding. Some evidence suggests:

Conservative academics sometimes report self-censorship
Hiring committees can (consciously or not) favor candidates who “fit” prevailing views
Campus culture in some places can feel unwelcoming to dissenting perspectives

That doesn’t mean mass “purges,” but it can create soft barriers that discourage conservatives or centrists from entering or staying.

6) “Pushed out” vs. “opted out”

The cleaner way to think about it:

Some people feel pushed out (due to culture or bias)
Many never enter in the first place (due to career incentives and interests)

Both dynamics matter, but the second is probably larger.

Bottom line

U.S. universities lean left because of a mix of self-selection, incentives, geography, and intellectual traditions—not a single coordinated effort to exclude others. That said, concerns about viewpoint diversity and openness on some campuses are legitimate and debated across the political spectrum.
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Post by: Hal9000 on April 15, 2026, 06:24:52 PM
US C-suite executives lean significantly Republican..Why is that?

There’s a real tendency for top U.S. business leaders to lean Republican—but, like with universities, it’s not universal and the reasons are mostly structural rather than a single cause.

1) Economic incentives line up more with GOP policies

Senior executives are directly affected by:

Corporate tax rates
Regulation (labor, environmental, antitrust)
Capital gains and investment rules

Republican platforms have generally emphasized lower taxes and lighter regulation, which align with the interests of large firms and shareholders. That creates a natural pull.

2) Who becomes a C-suite executive

The pipeline matters:

Many CEOs come from finance, operations, engineering, or law
Career paths reward risk-taking, competition, hierarchy, and profit maximization

Those traits and environments tend to correlate somewhat more with conservative economic views. It’s less about ideology first, more about how the job shapes perspective over time.

3) Wealth and political preferences

At very high income and wealth levels:

People are more sensitive to tax policy and capital returns
They often prioritize economic stability and predictability

Historically, higher-income Americans have leaned more Republican (though that’s been shifting somewhat in recent years, especially in certain industries and regions).

4) Industry differences are huge

“C-suite leans Republican” depends a lot on which C-suite:

Energy, manufacturing, banking: more traditionally Republican
Tech, media, some healthcare sectors: more mixed or increasingly Democratic-leaning

For example, executives in Silicon Valley often support Democrats on social issues while still caring about business-friendly policies—so their alignment can be split.

5) Public vs. private positioning

Executives often separate:

Personal political donations/views (which may lean Republican)
Public corporate messaging (which often leans neutral or progressive on social issues)

That’s why you’ll sometimes see companies taking positions that don’t perfectly match leadership’s private politics.

6) Networks and historical momentum

Business and political networks reinforce themselves over time:

Corporate lobbying groups and donor circles have long-standing ties to Republican policymakers
Once a network leans a certain way, it tends to self-reinforce through hiring, mentorship, and connections
7) It’s shifting—not static

In the last decade:

Some high-income, highly educated executives (especially in urban areas) have drifted toward Democrats
Cultural issues (immigration, climate, social policy) have pulled parts of the business community away from the GOP
At the same time, other executives have doubled down on Republican alignment

So the gap isn’t as clean or stable as it used to be.

Bottom line

C-suite executives tend to lean Republican mainly because of economic incentives, career pathways, and historical networks, not because of a single ideological filter. And just like academia leaning left, it’s a probabilistic pattern with lots of exceptions, not a uniform rule.
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Post by: Hal9000 on April 15, 2026, 06:26:22 PM
Custard is a highly intelligent person by any measure. Just ask him.

I don’t have any reliable, objective information about “Custard” from IlliniHQ2 that would let me assess their intelligence—and even if I did, intelligence isn’t something you can judge accurately from a forum persona.

On message boards (like Illini fan communities), what you’re usually seeing is a mix of:

Posting style and tone
Sports opinions (often emotional or biased by fandom)
How someone argues or reacts in debates

Those can feel like signals of intelligence, but they’re pretty noisy. Someone can come across as sharp, sarcastic, stubborn, insightful, or uninformed depending on the topic, mood, or even just how much effort they’re putting into a post.

If you’re trying to evaluate them more concretely, a better approach is to look at patterns:

Do they use evidence or just assert opinions?
Can they adjust their view when presented with new info?
Are they consistent in their reasoning across topics?

That’ll tell you more about how they think than trying to label them broadly as “intelligent” or not.
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Post by: Hal9000 on April 15, 2026, 06:28:50 PM
This conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye for today.
Title: Re: Please post all debate questions here and I will resolve them.
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on April 15, 2026, 10:05:52 PM
Take a break Hal. You deserve it.
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Post by: Reacher on April 16, 2026, 02:48:46 AM
TL:DR
Title: Re: Please post all debate questions here and I will resolve them.
Post by: Hal9000 on April 16, 2026, 09:52:02 AM
TL:DR


X (formerly Twitter)) isn’t built to support in depth deep reading, and it subtly pushes people in the opposite direction.

Here’s what’s really going on:

1) It’s a mismatch between platform and content
Twitter is optimized for:

speed
novelty
short reactions

Long, in-depth pieces require:

sustained focus
fewer interruptions
slower thinking

When you drop a dense article into a fast-scrolling feed, it’s like trying to read a book in the middle of a busy highway. Most people could do it—but the environment makes it unlikely.

2) Cognitive switching kills deep reading
On Twitter, you’re constantly:
switching topics every few seconds reacting emotionally (likes, replies, outrage) scanning rather than processing

That creates what psychologists call attention fragmentation. Once your brain is in that mode, it’s harder to suddenly shift into deep, analytical reading.

3) Incentives favor quick takes, not depth
People on Twitter are rewarded for:

being first
being witty or provocative
simplifying ideas

They’re not rewarded for:

nuance
long explanations
careful reasoning

So even if someone reads deeply, the platform nudges them to respond with a short, punchy takeaway.

4) Perception bias: loud ≠ representative
It often looks like “Twitter users can’t read,” but that’s misleading:

The most visible posts are the shortest and most reactive

People who actually read deeply are quieter or link out

So you’re seeing a selection effect, not the full population.

5) Habit formation (this part matters)
If someone spends a lot of time on fast-content platforms, they may:

get used to skimming
feel impatient with long text
prefer summaries over full arguments

That’s not a permanent limitation—it’s a learned habit that can be reversed.

Bottom line
It’s not that Twitter users can’t read in-depth pieces. It’s that:

the platform discourages it

the social rewards don’t support it

and the habits it builds make deep reading feel less natural in that context

Put the same person in a different environment—say, a quiet setting with a book—and their ability to focus usually comes right back.
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Post by: Somewhere in Mn on April 16, 2026, 09:55:29 AM
Odd. I'm almost done with the nearly 400 pages of the Atkinson transcripts that I accessed on X