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Title: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on May 23, 2025, 01:01:59 AM
The left has found itself in a situation where the primary rhetoric is the following:

Pro-Hamas
Pro-Open Border
Pro-Illegal Alien
Pro-War
Pro-Criminal
Pro-Insane Gender Ideology
Pro-Fetus Killing
Pro-Gun Ban
Pro-China
Pro-Allowing every person with a mental illness to live in their fantasy world, regardless of how it affects others.

———

Anti-Trump
Anti-Democracy (rigging nomination process)


Now what do we have on the flip side?

Pro-Health
Pro-Blue Collar Jobs
Pro-Space Exploration
Pro-Technology
Pro-America
Pro-Americans
Pro-Free Speech
Pro-Sensible 2A Rights
Pro-Life
Pro-Tax cuts for lower and middle class
Pro-Israel
Pro-Peace
Pro-Law and Order
Pro-Trade Balance
Pro-Accountability
Pro-Women
Pro-Affordable Energy and Food

———

Anti-Discrimination (DEI)
Anti-Gender Insanity


The Democrat Party needs to get its shit together. You can’t just spend all your time whining about Trump.

Who are your leaders? Who are your rising stars? What does the party even stand for anymore?

Dems acting like they got the midterms locked up because their algorithm is showing them Trump fear porn 24/7 without realizing at least half the country has a completely different algorithm.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on May 23, 2025, 06:34:35 AM
Fucking delusional.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on May 23, 2025, 06:42:39 AM
I concur. They are.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on May 23, 2025, 06:57:16 AM
A "free, free Palestine" nutcase from Chicago murders 2 people and what do I get texted to me 1st thing this morning ?
"Trump organization to pay $4.8M to settle fish-kill lawsuit against its Chicago high-rise"

 ;D
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on May 23, 2025, 06:58:24 AM
I concur. They are.

Primarily, I was referring to his summation of the Republican platform
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on May 23, 2025, 07:44:13 AM
Primarily, I was referring to his summation of the Republican platform
You misspelled Democrat
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on May 23, 2025, 08:50:27 AM
You misspelled Democrat

Yes, a fair bit of that was wrong, too.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: spark mandrilll on May 23, 2025, 11:21:21 AM
I love you, Tempo
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on May 23, 2025, 12:06:40 PM
The best part, they are doing it in Jesus’ name!

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/05/big-beautiful-transfer-of-wealth/682885/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on May 23, 2025, 01:56:30 PM
The left has found itself in a situation where the primary rhetoric is the following:

1:59 AM. They really are in your head.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on May 23, 2025, 01:59:45 PM
A "free, free Palestine" nutcase from Chicago murders 2 people and what do I get texted to me 1st thing this morning ?
"Trump organization to pay $4.8M to settle fish-kill lawsuit against its Chicago high-rise"

 ;D

Wow. First thing I got was Trump putting a 50% tariff on the EU because "our discussions with them are going nowhere" - so much for "we have a lot of deals ready to go". A 25% tariff on iPhones. And the stock market falling again.

Next was Trump just grifted 400 million from a bunch of skeevy crypto bros who will in return get some sweet deregulation of their con, so Trump's friend Ross Ulbricht - the biggest drug dealer in the history of drug dealers that got pardoned by Trump, can go back to his dark unregulated fentanyl dealing.

But yeah, you do your fish.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: alum74 on May 23, 2025, 05:42:18 PM
Next was Trump just grifted 400 million from a bunch of skeevy crypto bros who will in return get some sweet deregulation of their con, so Trump's friend Ross Ulbricht - the biggest drug dealer in the history of drug dealers that got pardoned by Trump, can go back to his dark unregulated fentanyl dealing.

And those quaint, old Tammany Hall guys thought THEY knew how to turn government into a racket.  Amateurs!!!
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on May 23, 2025, 08:34:08 PM
*The right to Due Process is an inherent right protected by the Constitution.It is not limited to law abiding US citizens.

*Law enforcement officials should have a basic understanding of terms like habeas corpus. Those who don't should undergo mandatory training or be removed from office.

*The US Constitution divides the government into three equal branches. Each branch has its own lane. This keeps each branch in check, and creates a  balance of powers.

In the past, judges sometimes overstepped by legislating from the bench. More recently, Presidents have ignored Courts and used executive actions to usurp Congress. It's time for Congress to take their lane back.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on May 24, 2025, 09:00:30 AM
The Adam Hoge video never gets old. He just bitch slapped Tempo. Tempo has never recovered from the humiliation.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on May 24, 2025, 11:45:53 AM
The Adam Hoge video never gets old. He just bitch slapped Tempo. Tempo has never recovered from the humiliation.

Man, you are desperate.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on May 24, 2025, 12:04:23 PM
The Adam Hoge video never gets old. He just bitch slapped Tempo. Tempo has never recovered from the humiliation.

Again, ignoring the fact that Hoge’s own partner Mark Carman reported that there were people at Halas Hall who were “unimpressed” by how Caleb handled his business last year. “But Hoge said Tempo’s name on a show, he owned him forever and ever!” Lame.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on May 24, 2025, 12:04:59 PM
I was proven right, I just don’t have the platform Hoge has.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on May 24, 2025, 01:32:43 PM
I was proven right, I just don’t have the platform Hoge has.

LOL. The guy still clutching at straws for Fields after 4 years declares someone a bust after year one with a shit coaching staff that you argued there was reasons to keep when there was zero reason to keep them. Hilarious.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on May 24, 2025, 03:13:23 PM
I never once said Caleb was a “bust.” It’s too soon to call him a bust. He’s not really living up to “best prospect since Andrew Luck,” though.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on May 24, 2025, 03:14:44 PM
Caleb gets a pass for shitty coaching but Justin doesn’t. Tempo34, exposing ThePAMan’s hypocrisy since 2019.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on May 24, 2025, 03:32:39 PM
Caleb gets a pass for shitty coaching but Justin doesn’t. Tempo34, exposing ThePAMan’s hypocrisy since 2019.

Fields whined about being coached. We Sat through 3 years of him sucking and turning over the ball because he did not want to be coached  He sucks. Like your takes! And he's a phony
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on May 24, 2025, 03:38:09 PM
I never once said Caleb was a “bust.” It’s too soon to call him a bust. He’s not really living up to “best prospect since Andrew Luck,” though.

No one is buying this from you.

There is no one here that is sold on him. I think most of us realize he's had one year with a guy who had no business being a head coach, yet you somehow could think of reasons to keep him on despite his getting worse at his job each passing year.  I'll give him some time under Johnson before reiterating that I said I would never draft him after the ND game....
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on May 24, 2025, 03:39:49 PM
I never once said Caleb was a “bust.” It’s too soon to call him a bust. He’s not really living up to “best prospect since Andrew Luck,” though.

Don't blame anyone but yourself for listening to and believing the morons on The Twotter. That's completely on your for being a sucker.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on May 24, 2025, 04:00:20 PM
LOLOLOLOLOL
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on May 24, 2025, 04:01:53 PM
PAMan on the train to Narrative Town.

(https://i.postimg.cc/7YtqbGHj/IMG-1686.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on May 24, 2025, 04:04:50 PM
Draft analysts = Morons on The Twotter

(https://i.postimg.cc/C5BpqJLt/IMG-1687.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/q6TFfsKX)
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on May 24, 2025, 04:08:06 PM
PAMan making excuses for Caleb he never made for Fields. Tempo34, exposing ThePAMan’s hypocrisy since 2019.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on May 25, 2025, 10:06:34 AM
LOLOLOLOLOL

You can laugh, but your reliance on Twitter for football and political takes only makes you look dumb. Sad!
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on May 25, 2025, 10:07:12 AM
Draft analysts = Morons on The Twotter

(https://i.postimg.cc/C5BpqJLt/IMG-1687.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/q6TFfsKX)

Yep
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on May 25, 2025, 03:30:06 PM
Take it to the Caleb Williams Sucks thread!
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on May 25, 2025, 04:28:38 PM
You can laugh, but your reliance on Twitter for football and political takes only makes you look dumb. Sad!

There are millions of people (fans, reporters, analysts, athletes etc) on Twitter. And PAMan thinks they are a monolith.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on May 25, 2025, 05:02:38 PM
There are millions of people (fans, reporters, annalsysts, athletes etc) on Twitter. And PAMan thinks they are a monolith.

They are not a monolith. But they have terrible takes obviously..
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on May 25, 2025, 06:43:28 PM
They are not a monolith. But they have terrible takes obviously..

Yes, literally ALL of them!
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on May 25, 2025, 08:19:40 PM
Yes, literally ALL of them!

All the ones you spew here are all terrible!
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on May 26, 2025, 06:26:11 AM
All the ones you spew here are all terrible!

Yes, literally ALL of them!
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on May 26, 2025, 07:30:12 AM
Yes, literally ALL of them!

In your case, yes
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on May 26, 2025, 01:36:31 PM
In your case, yes

ALL of them!
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on May 26, 2025, 08:13:01 PM
Simple platform.

The Democrats will not do this...

while (1) {
   threaten_tariffs();
   wait(2);
   remove_threat();
}
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on May 26, 2025, 11:50:30 PM
Tempo needs to see Elon Musk’s name on a hospital.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on February 28, 2026, 06:55:57 PM
Nm
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on February 28, 2026, 06:56:37 PM
The left has found itself in a situation where the primary rhetoric is the following:

Pro-Hamas
Pro-Open Border
Pro-Illegal Alien
Pro-War
Pro-Criminal
Pro-Insane Gender Ideology
Pro-Fetus Killing
Pro-Gun Ban
Pro-China
Pro-Allowing every person with a mental illness to live in their fantasy world, regardless of how it affects others.

———

Anti-Trump
Anti-Democracy (rigging nomination process)


Now what do we have on the flip side?

Pro-Health
Pro-Blue Collar Jobs
Pro-Space Exploration
Pro-Technology
Pro-America
Pro-Americans
Pro-Free Speech
Pro-Sensible 2A Rights
Pro-Life
Pro-Tax cuts for lower and middle class
Pro-Israel
Pro-Peace
Pro-Law and Order
Pro-Trade Balance
Pro-Accountability
Pro-Women
Pro-Affordable Energy and Food

———

Anti-Discrimination (DEI)
Anti-Gender Insanity


The Democrat Party needs to get its shit together. You can’t just spend all your time whining about Trump.

Who are your leaders? Who are your rising stars? What does the party even stand for anymore?

Dems acting like they got the midterms locked up because their algorithm is showing them Trump fear porn 24/7 without realizing at least half the country has a completely different algorithm.

LOL “Pro peace” your boy is living out the Neocon fantasy.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on February 28, 2026, 06:56:53 PM
LOL did it again
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on March 09, 2026, 10:15:09 PM
Add Pro-Iran to the list
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on March 10, 2026, 09:19:15 AM
Separating itself from the Clinton, Obama, Biden influence

https://youtu.be/5_VKdXw-a3A

https://x.com/Papajmb51/status/2030661150723993746?s=20
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on March 10, 2026, 09:34:34 AM
Hang all Trump supporters.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on March 10, 2026, 09:35:23 AM
Separating itself from the Clinton, Obama, Biden influence

https://youtu.be/5_VKdXw-a3A

https://x.com/Papajmb51/status/2030661150723993746?s=20

I don’t have 17 minutes for that. Got a brief synopsis?
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on March 10, 2026, 09:55:57 AM
I don’t have 17 minutes for that. Got a brief synopsis?
Here's 4

https://x.com/TONYxTWO/status/2030654094524973214?s=20
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on March 10, 2026, 10:25:14 AM
Hang all Trump supporters.

Your efforts to change minds on The Twotter not going well?
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on March 10, 2026, 01:50:02 PM
Your efforts to change minds on The Twotter not going well?

You lack the patience for the long-game.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on March 10, 2026, 02:38:21 PM
You lack the patience for the long-game.

LOL. That's funny.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on March 11, 2026, 12:40:39 PM
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Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Judge Judy on March 11, 2026, 12:57:25 PM
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I was just getting ready to post that. Thanks! Also, who knows if that does or doesn’t even count the illegals. I know Pritzker likes to say Illinois is growing but that’s definitely not the case. Those liberals need those illegals to lie and bullshit the American public…
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on March 11, 2026, 01:27:17 PM
I was just getting ready to post that. Thanks! Also, who knows if that does or doesn’t even count the illegals. I know Pritzker likes to say Illinois is growing but that’s definitely not the case. Those liberals need those illegals to lie and bullshit the American public…

Those stats are sort of hard to parse - certainly California has not lost 25% of it's population.

Krugman made a very good point the other day. Texas has attracted a lot of people because well, they build houses. California strongly values the property rights of existing homeowners who can block housing via downzoning. Texas says fuck you, here's an apartment building next door to your McMansion.

I think Texas got this one right, but with the Texas GOP being infected with GOP transplants from California, it can't last. There are NIMBYs, and then there are Californian Republican NIMBYs
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on March 11, 2026, 01:30:31 PM
Those stats are sort of hard to parse - certainly California has not lost 25% of it's population.

Krugman made a very good point the other day. Texas has attracted a lot of people because well, they build houses. California strongly values the property rights of existing homeowners who can block housing via downzoning. Texas says fuck you, here's an apartment building next door to your McMansion.

I think Texas got this one right, but with the Texas GOP being infected with GOP transplants from California, it can't last. There are NIMBYs, and then there are Californian Republican NIMBYs

It’s loss/gain per 100k inhabitants. Sure some of the California stuff is true but plenty of people are leaving because of insane regulation, taxes, and other policies of the 2028 Democratic presidential nominee.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on March 11, 2026, 01:36:30 PM
It’s loss/gain per 100k inhabitants. Sure some of the California stuff is true but plenty of people are leaving because of insane regulation, taxes, and other policies of the 2028 Democratic presidential nominee.

By insane regulation - you mean the restriction on construction of housing, which has created big increases in housing prices.

Ironically, California's Property tax policy - prop 13 - does create insane taxes - in that the taxes on existing homeowners are so low, the housing market freezes up, adding to the affordability problem. Texas' exceedingly high property taxes mean that it's expensive to carry unused or underused properties, so the housing market operates more freely.

In the end, it's the economy stupid. People are having to leave California (or not move here) because housing is just so stupid expensive. Just like the Iran War will become increasingly unpopular not because it's a war, but because of gas prices.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on March 26, 2026, 12:30:55 PM
Would be nice if the fucking democrats would stop the government shutdown they created to protect illegal immigrants before I have to fly to Bozeman
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on March 26, 2026, 12:39:56 PM
Would be nice if the fucking democrats would stop the government shutdown they created to protect illegal immigrants before I have to fly to Bozeman

The "power of the purse" is the constitutional authority granted to the legislature (Congress in the U.S.) to control government spending, taxing, and borrowing. It acts as a primary check on executive power, ensuring the president cannot spend public money without explicit legislative approval.

Historical Context: The Founders included this to prevent the misuse of funds by a single executive (like the English monarch).
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: alum74 on March 26, 2026, 01:12:16 PM
Would be nice if the fucking democrats would stop the government shutdown they created to protect illegal immigrants before I have to fly to Bozeman

Dems failing to fold.  Wonders will never cease.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on March 26, 2026, 01:12:32 PM
The "power of the purse" is the constitutional authority granted to the legislature (Congress in the U.S.) to control government spending, taxing, and borrowing. It acts as a primary check on executive power, ensuring the president cannot spend public money without explicit legislative approval.

Historical Context: The Founders included this to prevent the misuse of funds by a single executive (like the English monarch).

The "power of the purse" is the constitutional authority granted to the legislature (Congress in the U.S.) to control government spending, taxing, and borrowing. It acts as a primary check on executive power, ensuring the president cannot spend public money without explicit legislative approval.

Historical Context: The Founders included this to prevent the misuse of funds by a single executive (like the English monarch).

Good luck telling that to TSA workers and others that aren't seeing paychecks. Good luck telling that to people who wait in line for hours to get on a plane.

You shouldn't have any trouble telling that to Democrats who want every illegal to stay and be granted a pathway to citizenship.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on March 26, 2026, 01:19:11 PM
Would be nice if the fucking democrats would stop the government shutdown they created to protect illegal immigrants before I have to fly to Bozeman

Finally get fired from your ag job for being incompetent and got a job  with ICE and they said “welcome - now go stop them Canadians from sneaking in!”
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on March 26, 2026, 01:19:53 PM
Good luck telling that to TSA workers and others that aren't seeing paychecks. Good luck telling that to people who wait in line for hours to get on a plane.

You shouldn't have any trouble telling that to Democrats who want every illegal to stay and be granted a pathway to citizenship.
Talk to the President, the Speaker, and the majority leader.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on March 26, 2026, 01:21:33 PM
Good luck telling that to TSA workers and others that aren't seeing paychecks. Good luck telling that to people who wait in line for hours to get on a plane.

You shouldn't have any trouble telling that to Democrats who want every illegal to stay and be granted a pathway to citizenship.

Turns out David Mirkovic’s paperwork is not in order. I presume you will support ICE detaining him.

Underwood should recruit Americans as God and Mn intended
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on March 26, 2026, 01:31:53 PM
Nothing works under the Trump administration. Not even the simple shit. We are surprised by this?
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on March 26, 2026, 01:45:25 PM
The lady had no issues today in the Orlando airport heading to NO or in Midway getting there last Sat. Will see how the trip out of NO goes on Sunday.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on March 26, 2026, 02:13:52 PM
Good luck telling that to TSA workers and others that aren't seeing paychecks. Good luck telling that to people who wait in line for hours to get on a plane.

Pay them with ICE funding

Quote
You shouldn't have any trouble telling that to Democrats who want every illegal to stay and be granted a pathway to citizenship.

Republicans want to deport or kill everyone who isn't white.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on March 26, 2026, 02:25:26 PM

Republicans want to deport or kill everyone who isn't white.
You got that from Hakeem Jeffries. Lol
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on March 26, 2026, 02:51:25 PM
Good luck telling that to TSA workers and others that aren't seeing paychecks. Good luck telling that to people who wait in line for hours to get on a plane.

You shouldn't have any trouble telling that to Democrats who want every illegal to stay and be granted a pathway to citizenship.

President Donald Trump said it’s up to Iranian leaders to convince him to halt the war, saying he doesn’t care about making a deal and the US has additional targets “to hit before we leave.”

Harry Truman said “the buck stops here” then again he was Democrat, not a blame shifting GOP fuckwad
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on March 26, 2026, 03:15:21 PM
You got that from Hakeem Jeffries. Lol

Nope. I got it the same place you got what I replied to..
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on March 26, 2026, 10:05:21 PM
Senate Republicans have now blocked TSA pay 9 times & blocked bills to fund TSA, FEMA, CISA, & Coast Guard 12 times in total

https://www.lujan.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/senate-republicans-block-legislation-to-pay-tsa-for-9th-time/
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on March 27, 2026, 11:15:36 AM
Democrats in the 1990s

https://x.com/theroyalserf/status/2037392362260111697?s=46
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on March 27, 2026, 11:47:31 AM
Democrats in the 1990s

https://x.com/theroyalserf/status/2037392362260111697?s=46

Welcome to the 21st century. Democrats have shifted their position on immigration since the 1990s. Did you just notice that? Here is a 7 year old year old article on the topic. https://www.npr.org/2019/02/19/694804917/democrats-used-to-talk-about-criminal-immigrants-so-what-changed-the-party

Back then,  Republicans were still the free trade party. Politics evolve.

Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on March 27, 2026, 12:01:49 PM
Woke AI response:

Democratic views on immigration have shifted from a "law and order" approach focused on enforcement in the 1990s to a more progressive, pro-immigrant stance today. In the 1990s, Democrats often supported stricter border control and reduced immigration, while today, they overwhelmingly view immigration as beneficial, favoring paths to legal status and opposing extensive border walls.

1990s: Enforcement and Restriction

*Context: Democrats, including President Clinton, sought to compete with Republicans on "tough on crime" stances, which extended to immigration policy

*Actions: They supported increased border enforcement and passed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) in 1996, which broadened definitions of criminal immigrants and increased deportations.

*Polling: In 1994, only 32% of Democrats believed immigrants strengthened the country.

Mid-2000s to 2010s: The Shift

*Changing Rhetoric: While early 2000s leaders like Chuck Schumer still argued that "illegal immigration is wrong" and that strong enforcement was needed, the party began focusing on creating pathways to legal status.

*Ideological Shift: The party base began shifting left, increasingly favoring immigrant rights and protections.

Today: Progressive and Inclusive

*Views on Immigration: As of 2024, 86% of Democrats say immigration is a good thing for the U.S..

"Policy Focus: Modern Democrats generally focus on addressing the root causes of migration, providing pathways to citizenship for "Dreamers" and long-term undocumented residents, and ensuring "humane" immigration enforcement.

"Enforcement: While opposing total open borders, majorities of Democrats oppose expanding the U.S.-Mexico border wall and increased deportations.

*Polling: By 2018, 83% of Democrats said immigrants strengthen the country, a massive increase from the 1990s.

Summary of Evolution

"1994: 32% of Democrats said immigrants strengthen the country, vs. 83% today.

*Focus: Shifted from "criminal immigrants" and border security to human rights, family unity, and pathway-to-citizenship programs.

*Policy: Shifted from support for restrictionist legislation (IIRIRA 1996) to advocating for comprehensive immigration reform.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on March 27, 2026, 02:40:56 PM
Yes, thanks for pointing out that it’s the bat shit progressives
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on March 27, 2026, 03:11:21 PM
Yes, thanks for pointing out that it’s the bat shit progressives

Actually, the bat shit crazy white nationalists took over the Republican Party.  While the pronoun progressives do get a bit nutter at times, even the moderate mainstream progressives look extreme from a Trumper perspective.

Actually globalist Republicans like Ronald Reagan, Jack Kemp, George H. W. Bush et al would look progressive from a Trumper perspective.

Reagan and Bush supported amnesty for qualifying illegal aliens including a path to green cards and citizenship..They opposed family separation and took action to curb it.

President Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) of 1986,; which granted amnesty to almost 3 million undocumented immigrants that entered the U.S. before 1982, granting them a path to legal residency and potential citizenship.

Reagan and Bush took executive actions, known as "Family Fairness" (1987-1990), to prevent the separation of families when one person was eligible for amnesty but their spouse or children were not.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on March 27, 2026, 03:43:00 PM
Actually, the bat shit crazy white nationalists took over the Republican Party.

Custard would probably argue this was the Republican Party correcting itself.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 07, 2026, 12:25:08 PM
More stories like this one.

Juan Leon of Leo's Towing in West St. Paul, MN, is recovering abandoned vehicles left behind during ICE's Operation Metro Storm. Since late December 2025, Leon has returned over 250 cars for free to families of detained individuals, funded by over $40,000 in community donations, despite facing doxxing and death threats.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 07, 2026, 12:51:37 PM
More stories like this one.

Juan Leon of Leo's Towing in West St. Paul, MN, is recovering abandoned vehicles left behind during ICE's Operation Metro Storm. Since late December 2025, Leon has returned over 250 cars for free to families of detained individuals, funded by over $40,000 in community donations, despite facing doxxing and death threats.

Great part of the platform. Sure the fine folks in Kansas will be excited about it
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 07, 2026, 01:51:04 PM
Great part of the platform. Sure the fine folks in Kansas will be excited about it


Trump took a winning issue for Republicans and turned into a losing issue.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on April 07, 2026, 02:02:37 PM


Trump took a winning issue for Republicans and turned into a losing issue.

Probably not
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 07, 2026, 02:56:06 PM


Trump took a winning issue for Republicans and turned into a losing issue.

That will remain to be seen in November. Not like the populace remembered the excesses of Trump I. And it does not mean everyone wants to let in every relative of Hezbollah members or Iranian generals.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 07, 2026, 03:12:59 PM
That will remain to be seen in November. Not like the populace remembered the excesses of Trump I. And it does not mean everyone wants to let in every relative of Hezbollah members or Iranian generals.

Dems are stuck with a vague open borders label.

Republicans are stuck with the hard reality of ICE dragging old men out of their homes, murdering innocent American citizens, and flat out lying about it.
.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 07, 2026, 03:30:47 PM
Probably not

Custard is getting even further disconnected from reality than he already was. Custard is probably the only “Never Trumper” to go all in on Trump without being given a position in the administration.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 07, 2026, 03:32:26 PM
That will remain to be seen in November. Not like the populace remembered the excesses of Trump I. And it does not mean everyone wants to let in every relative of Hezbollah members or Iranian generals.

They remembered it in the midterms in 2018, and remembered it even more in the general.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 07, 2026, 03:33:57 PM
Dems are stuck with a vague open borders label.

Republicans are stuck with the hard reality of ICE dragging old men out of their homes, murdering innocent American citizens, and flat out lying about it.
.

And, there is 30% of the country that supports them on that. November is a long way off. Electoral College remains an issue....
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 07, 2026, 03:35:10 PM
They remembered it in the midterms in 2018, and remembered it even more in the general.

And then forgot when A Progressive Moron who is for "they/them" ran.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 07, 2026, 03:36:54 PM
LOL
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 07, 2026, 03:37:34 PM
Only a political moron would call Kamala Harris a “progressive.” Someone who falls easily for Fox News style tropes.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 07, 2026, 03:38:39 PM
Dems didn’t lose because of they/them. They lost because of runaway inflation (mostly).
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 07, 2026, 03:44:10 PM
Only a political moron would call Kamala Harris a “progressive.” Someone who falls easily for Fox News style tropes.

I saw the fucking trans prisoner ad 9 million times during NFL games. Only a progressive fucked up wack job says the shit she said in that ad.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 07, 2026, 03:44:52 PM
Dems didn’t lose because of they/them. They lost because of runaway inflation (mostly).

If they do not trust you on cultural issues they won't trust you on economic issues.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 07, 2026, 03:55:49 PM
Dems didn’t lose because of they/them. They lost because of runaway inflation (mostly).

That and the Open Borders Hoax
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 07, 2026, 03:58:30 PM
That and the Open Borders Hoax

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 07, 2026, 04:44:00 PM
If they do not trust you on cultural issues they won't trust you on economic issues.

Explain Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. They were branded as “extremists” by conservatives and both won re-election.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Judge Judy on April 07, 2026, 05:05:49 PM
Explain Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. They were branded as “extremists” by conservatives and both won re-election.

So was Trump by your progressives and liberals. What’s your point?!
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 07, 2026, 05:13:30 PM
LOLOLOL
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 07, 2026, 06:05:46 PM
Explain Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. They were branded as “extremists” by conservatives and both won re-election.

They were for you and me, not they/them. Which is why you did not like either of them, as you have mentioned many times before.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on April 07, 2026, 06:19:59 PM
If they do not trust you on cultural issues they won't trust you on economic issues.

Doesn't matter if they "trust" you in economic issues. They don't *understand* economic issues. They voted for tariffs, they got tariffs, then they wonder why prices went up.

As for "trust" - they supposedly voted for "no wars" and "better on the economy", and got a war that doubled the price of gas.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on April 07, 2026, 06:21:03 PM
They were for you and me, not they/them. Which is why you did not like either of them, as you have mentioned many times before.

Nobody who gets elected is for you and me. Anything good that happens is coincidental.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 07, 2026, 06:22:41 PM
Doesn't matter if they "trust" you in economic issues. They don't *understand* economic issues. They voted for tariffs, they got tariffs, then they wonder why prices went up.

As for "trust" - they supposedly voted for "no wars" and "better on the economy", and got a war that doubled the price of gas.

And yet, large segments of the populace, in inportant parts of the country, have trusted Dems less than they trust Republicans. Maybe focus on issues they care about?
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on April 07, 2026, 06:28:13 PM
And yet, large segments of the populace, in inportant parts of the country, have trusted Dems less than they trust Republicans. Maybe focus on issues they care about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYQCb3qrBpo

JFK - "We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard."

Trump - "We choose to do these things not because they are easy - but because we thought they would be easy"

Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 07, 2026, 06:29:56 PM
Probably your most accurate post in the last month!
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on April 07, 2026, 06:34:47 PM
Probably your most accurate post in the last month!

It's a high bar, but I had your help because you teed it up so well. Every great actor needs a great screenwriter.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on April 07, 2026, 07:53:42 PM
Dems didn’t lose because of they/them. They lost because of runaway inflation (mostly).

And you say I’ve got my head buried in the sand, holy shit.

The “inflation/economy is why we lost” is the salve you and Murph and Ray and Alum rub on your butthurt to keep from acknowledging that the 2024 election was a referendum on woke culture/open borders and it was summarily rejected in favor of policy you all hate.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on April 07, 2026, 09:11:16 PM
And you say I’ve got my head buried in the sand, holy shit.

The “inflation/economy is why we lost” is the salve you and Murph and Ray and Alum rub on your butthurt to keep from acknowledging that the 2024 election was a referendum on woke culture/open borders and it was summarily rejected in favor of policy you all hate.

But it was also about "No Wars" - and Trump BETRAYED YOU.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 07, 2026, 11:08:27 PM
They were for you and me, not they/them. Which is why you did not like either of them, as you have mentioned many times before.

Bullshit. People lost their fucking minds over “don’t ask don’t tell” which was a compromise. According too right wingers and right wing media Clinton and Obama were basically gay loving communists. Seems to be where you got your playbook, now that I bring it up.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 07, 2026, 11:11:40 PM
They were for you and me, not they/them. Which is why you did not like either of them, as you have mentioned many times before.

If you actually comprehended what you read you’d know that I “liked” Obama, but wasn’t happy about some of the things he did. I’ve said here at least 8x I’ll bet that I am an admitted Barack Obama “apologist.”
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 07, 2026, 11:14:12 PM
Nobody who gets elected is for you and me. Anything good that happens is coincidental.

You’re talking to a guy who thinks money in politics is not only not influential in how we govern or how elections turn out, but that money assures us we “get the best candidates.” Keep that in mind.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 07, 2026, 11:14:32 PM
You’re talking to a guy who thinks money in politics is not only not influential in how we govern or how elections turn out, but that money assures us we “get the best candidates.” Keep that in mind.

And I’m not even exaggerating here. He’s said all of this.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 07, 2026, 11:19:29 PM
And you say I’ve got my head buried in the sand, holy shit.

The “inflation/economy is why we lost” is the salve you and Murph and Ray and Alum rub on your butthurt to keep from acknowledging that the 2024 election was a referendum on woke culture/open borders and it was summarily rejected in favor of policy you all hate.

Ray brought that up. The border hurt Dems for sure, but it didn’t lose Dems the election. If the economy had inspired more confidence and inflation hadn’t ballooned, we’d still have a democratic president. And also, let’s face it, there’s still a large group of the electorate that won’t vote for a woman. Trump has only ever beaten women in elections. The one time he faced a man he got steamrolled.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on April 08, 2026, 12:30:47 AM
Still think it’s wild Biden got 81 million votes in 2020 😂
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 08, 2026, 07:43:43 AM
Bullshit. People lost their fucking minds over “don’t ask don’t tell” which was a compromise. According too right wingers and right wing media Clinton and Obama were basically gay loving communists. Seems to be where you got your playbook, now that I bring it up.

LOL. Trump has made you lose your mind.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 08, 2026, 07:45:25 AM
And I’m not even exaggerating here. He’s said all of this.
Staright from The Tempo Playbook....
Show me where I said all that!
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 08, 2026, 07:48:14 AM
Ray brought that up. The border hurt Dems for sure, but it didn’t lose Dems the election. If the economy had inspired more confidence and inflation hadn’t ballooned, we’d still have a democratic president. And also, let’s face it, there’s still a large group of the electorate that won’t vote for a woman. Trump has only ever beaten women in elections. The one time he faced a man he got steamrolled.

Says it was the economy then says it was a woman (who was for they/them) and that a centrist (who then unfortunately governed as a progressive idiot) won. Hmmm.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 08, 2026, 08:38:53 AM
Staright from The Tempo Playbook....
Show me where I said all that!

You’ve said it. I’d bet my life on it.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 08, 2026, 08:41:18 AM
Says it was the economy then says it was a woman (who was for they/them) and that a centrist (who then unfortunately governed as a progressive idiot) won. Hmmm.

It was multiple reasons, the primary one was inflation and the economy. I know you have difficulty wrapping your head around multiple thought concepts. You are perhaps the most black/white thinker I’ve ever encountered. Or you do it to satisfy your deep need to stir the pot. Feel free to rebut.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 08, 2026, 08:43:25 AM
When someone loses a national election, it’s never for just one reason. When 150 million people are voting they aren’t going to vote for the same issues. Hell, one could argue abortion cost Harris the election, because no doubt Trump won the pro-life voters by a huge margin.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 08, 2026, 08:50:50 AM
It was multiple reasons, the primary one was inflation and the economy. I know you have difficulty wrapping your head around multiple thought concepts. You are perhaps the most black/white thinker I’ve ever encountered. Or you do it to satisfy your deep need to stir the pot. Feel free to rebut.

Projecting yet again!
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on April 08, 2026, 11:19:13 AM
LOL. Trump has made you lose your mind.

Nope. Just my money.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on April 08, 2026, 11:26:16 AM
It was multiple reasons, the primary one was inflation and the economy. I know you have difficulty wrapping your head around multiple thought concepts. You are perhaps the most black/white thinker I’ve ever encountered. Or you do it to satisfy your deep need to stir the pot. Feel free to rebut.

Inflation was everything. If people were rolling in dough, they wouldn't give a shit about "The Border". When they are feeling pain, nobody wants to blame themselves, they got to blame someone else. Blame the damn immigrants who took er jerbs. Or yeah, eggs are expensive because immigrants are eating them all using their sweet sweet EBT money.

Most of the people bitching about "The Border" probably don't even have a passport. Would have trouble finding their state border let alone the US Border. "The Border" is a modern "We have always been at war with EastAsia". Biden Broke The Border. Trump Fixed The Border. 99.999% of the people claiming this have no actual concept of what might be going on at the border other than what someone on the talking machine tells them.

But they see the gas prices on the board daily. Hopefully the stuff on the talking machine about that there strait of hormel is true and gas prices drop. Of course it won't be for a while because gas already delivered was paid for at higher prices.

Shell recorded higher profits this quarter despite reduced oil and natural gas production, due to "significant increases in oil trading profits". Pawns in their game.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 08, 2026, 12:12:19 PM
That will remain to be seen in November. Not like the populace remembered the excesses of Trump I. And it does not mean everyone wants to let in every relative of Hezbollah members or Iranian generals.

Looks like they’re ‘membering

(https://i.postimg.cc/W3fpC0B5/IMG-6229.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7G0yTJYz)
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 08, 2026, 01:51:38 PM
Looks like they’re ‘membering

(https://i.postimg.cc/W3fpC0B5/IMG-6229.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7G0yTJYz)

Long way to go!
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Judge Judy on April 08, 2026, 03:09:36 PM
Nope. Just my money.

Good, your ego needed checked…
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on April 08, 2026, 07:20:06 PM
Good, your ego needed checked…

You aren’t the ego checker, remember? You’re the women’s bathroom junk checker
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Judge Judy on April 08, 2026, 07:23:47 PM
You aren’t the ego checker, remember? You’re the women’s bathroom junk checker

Yep, and you don’t have a dick…
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on April 08, 2026, 07:44:29 PM
Yep, and you don’t have a dick…

“I like Judy’s jokes, I give him a 42 but I can't dance to it!”
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on April 09, 2026, 08:33:48 AM
Inflation was everything. If people were rolling in dough, they wouldn't give a shit about "The Border". When they are feeling pain, nobody wants to blame themselves, they got to blame someone else. Blame the damn immigrants who took er jerbs. Or yeah, eggs are expensive because immigrants are eating them all using their sweet sweet EBT money.

Most of the people bitching about "The Border" probably don't even have a passport. Would have trouble finding their state border let alone the US Border. "The Border" is a modern "We have always been at war with EastAsia". Biden Broke The Border. Trump Fixed The Border. 99.999% of the people claiming this have no actual concept of what might be going on at the border other than what someone on the talking machine tells them.

But they see the gas prices on the board daily. Hopefully the stuff on the talking machine about that there strait of hormel is true and gas prices drop. Of course it won't be for a while because gas already delivered was paid for at higher prices.

Shell recorded higher profits this quarter despite reduced oil and natural gas production, due to "significant increases in oil trading profits". Pawns in their game.

You’re absolutely nuts to assume the border didn’t matter. I actually like the fact that liberals continue to be so out of touch and tone deaf because that means better chances at midterms and 2028 for the sane center/right 
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 09, 2026, 09:14:13 AM
Multiple things contributed to the loss for Harris, but if the economy was good and inflation weren’t skyrocketing, she’d be President today.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 09, 2026, 09:15:21 AM
Glad to see Custard inching toward intellectual honesty. He’s now basically saying he’s center/right rather than a centrist. Baby steps.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 09, 2026, 09:20:16 AM
Glad to see Custard inching toward intellectual honesty. He’s now basically saying he’s center/right rather than a centrist. Baby steps.

Or a “moderate” to be more accurate.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 09, 2026, 11:09:05 AM
Multiple things contributed to the loss for Harris, but if the economy was good and inflation weren’t skyrocketing, she’d be President today.

More Progressive Daydreaming and Wishcasting.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on April 09, 2026, 12:39:41 PM
Multiple things contributed to the loss for Harris, but if the economy was good and inflation weren’t skyrocketing, she’d be President today.

Hate to poke a hole in your theory, but in 2024 inflation had cooled considerably and the economy was on pretty solid footing. Grocery prices and mortgage rates were still stubborn, but increases were easing.

As someone who can be persuaded to vote either way (or even third party) in a presidential election, I’m telling you that the border insanity, the Biden is sharp as a tack nonsense, the “Trump is a threat to democracy” spewing Democrats crowning Kamala without a primary, the woke agenda, etc were absolutely hot button issues.

No one with half a brain believes they a president elect can come in and lower grocery prices day one. Or magically fix the economy. (But outside of 2 down months, the economy has been faring pretty well under Trump and I bought eggs for $1.69 the day before Easter.)
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 09, 2026, 02:41:46 PM
Hate to poke a hole in your theory, but in 2024 inflation had cooled considerably and the economy was on pretty solid footing. Grocery prices and mortgage rates were still stubborn, but increases were easing.

As someone who can be persuaded to vote either way (or even third party) in a presidential election, I’m telling you that the border insanity, the Biden is sharp as a tack nonsense, the “Trump is a threat to democracy” spewing Democrats crowning Kamala without a primary, the woke agenda, etc were absolutely hot button issues.

No one with half a brain believes they a president elect can come in and lower grocery prices day one. Or magically fix the economy. (But outside of 2 down months, the economy has been faring pretty well under Trump and I bought eggs for $1.69 the day before Easter.)

You got sold a bill of goods on the border situation.

https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-1-summary

Did you think Democrats should have held primaries after Biden stepped down? "Promoting" his VP nominee was the only rational move.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 09, 2026, 02:49:27 PM
More Progressive Daydreaming and Wishcasting.

Yes, your opinion matters only. Nothing else.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 09, 2026, 03:19:55 PM
Yes, your opinion matters only. Nothing else.

Aside from facts, which you disdain.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 09, 2026, 03:22:53 PM
You got sold a bill of goods on the border situation.

https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-1-summary

Did you think Democrats should have held primaries after Biden stepped down? "Promoting" his VP nominee was the only rational move.

Nichi, that fucking Progressive piece of shit (redundant) Myorkis did not do jack shit re the border. Whether Biden caused it or not his asylum policies played a role as I get the DHS emails daily notifying us of the rollback of immigration orders for Haiti, Syria, Venezuela (I can go on and on).
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 09, 2026, 03:29:40 PM
Yes, your opinion matters only. Nothing else.

If I said I was an Iranian/Soviet/Chinese troll farmer, you would agree with me.....
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 09, 2026, 04:28:50 PM
Aside from facts, which you disdain.

Ok, provide some them. With something other than your opinion to back it up
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 09, 2026, 04:49:34 PM
Ok, provide some them. With something other than your opinion to back it up

Fact: you post stuff here from troll farms. Boom goes the dynamite....
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 09, 2026, 06:05:26 PM
Fact: you post stuff here from troll farms. Boom goes the dynamite....

You can’t tell fact from fiction, so you’re not the best judge. You are too focused on the origin of the content to actually listen to whether or not it/they make valid points. You’ve done the same thing regarding sports journalism. No “source” meets YOUR criteria unless it fits your narrative. In sports or politics.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on April 09, 2026, 09:47:47 PM
Nichi, that fucking Progressive piece of shit (redundant) Myorkis did not do jack shit re the border. Whether Biden caused it or not his asylum policies played a role as I get the DHS emails daily notifying us of the rollback of immigration orders for Haiti, Syria, Venezuela (I can go on and on).

Exactly. It’s classic revisionist denialism to believe Biden and his administration/handlers didn’t cause the border crisis. He openly encouraged mass migration during his campaign and they were basically waiting to enter in January of 2021 when he assumed office. Charts show  this perfectly.

Late in his term, Democrats responded to the crisis by saying they couldn’t do a damn thing about it without bipartisan legislation. It never came because Republicans/Trump knew it was an issue that could win them the presidency. It would have been incredibly stupid for the GOP to bail the Dems out of the mess they’d made in an election year.

The Biden admin made some changes and slowed things down but it was too little, too late.

What it all boils down to really is that all the suicidal empathetic euro commies took a ton of refugees and asylum seekers the last 10-15 years beforehand as a bit of a mea culpa for displacing people in areas where western nations had been involved in interventionist conflicts. Meanwhile the American left was still pissed about the audacity of the border wall and Trump’s harsh rhetoric on illegal immigration (that fundamentally wasn’t any different that what 1990s Democrats stumped on).

So it was basically our turn to do that same and show the other western nations that we too would absorb refugees and asylum seekers from nations where economies and leadership had been impacted to some degree by our own interventionist policies. And in some cases, just because. All a noble cause I suppose, but just like many other liberal policies I hate, it’s long on feel goods and short on actual real world functionality.

Just wait til a stadium or something gets blown up one of these days by a foreign sleeper cell that came in while Biden was napping.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 09, 2026, 09:53:14 PM
You can’t tell fact from fiction, so you’re not the best judge. You are too focused on the origin of the content to actually listen to whether or not it/they make valid points. You’ve done the same thing regarding sports journalism. No “source” meets YOUR criteria unless it fits your narrative. In sports or politics.
Sources matter. You seem to cite a lot of bots from The Twotter here.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on April 09, 2026, 09:58:17 PM
Did you think Democrats should have held primaries after Biden stepped down? "Promoting" his VP nominee was the only rational move.

No, Democrats should have been honest with the country and themselves about the rapidly declining state of Biden’s cognitive abilities. Instead they spent the winter and spring months of 2024 pumping out the same “sharp as a tack” talking points to every friendly media outlet. All these outlets then turned around and pumped out the same message ad nauseum to the American people, who they thought were too stupid to see the truth.

Then the disastrous debate came and it was way too late to do anything but trot Kamala out there to lose to Trump. Complain about Trump all you want but I can’t find much of a reason to want the party that mismanaged that whole fiasco so poorly to run the country either. What a clown show.

There aren’t any participation trophies and pats on the back for bad campaigns. Elections have consequences, and the Democrat party would be better served to take that harsh medicine and regroup with purpose and a real message than keep pretending it was only the economy that caused defeat. Apparently they haven’t learned anything from 2016 (Russians!) or 2024.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 09, 2026, 10:47:37 PM
Exactly. It’s classic revisionist denialism to believe Biden and his administration/handlers didn’t cause the border crisis. He openly encouraged mass migration during his campaign and they were basically waiting to enter in January of 2021 when he assumed office. Charts show  this perfectly.


I’m not saying you’re making this up completely, but if you could provide some support for this statement, that’d be great.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on April 09, 2026, 11:20:48 PM
I’m not saying you’re making this up completely, but if you could provide some support for this statement, that’d be great.

The “surge to the border” comments he made during his campaign for the 2020 Presidency. Guess what happened when he was elected? They surged to the border.

https://youtu.be/iNLn912fVxg

From Grok:

Quote
Internal campaign advisers privately warned in 2020 memos that these promises—combined with pent-up demand after Trump restrictions and COVID economic pressures—could trigger a “surge,” “chaos,” and “humanitarian crisis” at the border. These warnings proved prescient, as encounters rose sharply even before Biden took office. 

Critics argue the overall message (dismantling deterrents while emphasizing humanitarian treatment) functioned as de facto encouragement, especially since many migrants later cited Biden’s election as a reason for attempting entry.

Here’s a handy-dandy graph showing encounters at the border the last 20 years. Note the massive spike immediately after Biden took office and how it went to almost zero after Trump took office again. But Ray says it’s Trump’s fault. 😂

(https://i.ibb.co/yn8CcWrc/IMG-3780.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hRKNJDSJ)
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on April 10, 2026, 12:41:49 AM


Here’s a handy-dandy graph showing encounters at the border the last 20 years. Note the massive spike immediately after Biden took office and how it went to almost zero after Trump took office again. But Ray says it’s Trump’s fault. 😂


That's the graph of your bank account.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 10, 2026, 08:46:06 AM
The “surge to the border” comments he made during his campaign for the 2020 Presidency. Guess what happened when he was elected? They surged to the border.

https://youtu.be/iNLn912fVxg

From Grok:

Here’s a handy-dandy graph showing encounters at the border the last 20 years. Note the massive spike immediately after Biden took office and how it went to almost zero after Trump took office again. But Ray says it’s Trump’s fault. 😂

(https://i.ibb.co/yn8CcWrc/IMG-3780.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hRKNJDSJ)


Close enough, I guess.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 11, 2026, 03:03:55 PM
January 16, 2025 6:01AM
Biden Didn’t Cause the Border Crisis, Part 1: Summary

The actual causes of the increases in illegal immigration were:

*Unprecedented labor demand, which incentivized and funded migration from around the world: From February 2021 to August 2024, there were more open jobs each month than in any month before Biden’s term began. During this time, economies worldwide were recovering far less quickly than the United States. As labor demand subsided in 2024, immigration fell.

*Unprecedented access to information about migration through the Internet and social media: Internet access rose rapidly from 2018 to 2021, nearly doubling in Central America and reaching unprecedented highs in South America. Social media platforms gave people step-by-step instructions on migrating and connected them directly with smugglers. This opened migration from around the world, which contributed to the number of releases.

*Novel and perverse enforcement policies: The Title 42 expulsion policy incentivized repeat crossings by returning people to Mexico, where they could immediately attempt to re-enter the United States. Title 42 also cut off access to asylum, incentivizing more Border Patrol evasions.

*Novel and perverse legal migration policies: Title 42 not only banned asylum for people who crossed illegally but also prohibited legal entries by asylum seekers, including demographic groups that had traditionally always entered legally, like Haitians, Cubans, and Mexican families. Biden eventually increased legal entries by these groups and others, limiting the crisis’s extent and ultimately contributing to its end.

A lot more: https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-1-summary
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on April 11, 2026, 10:02:47 PM
Written days before Biden left office. Got it.

The border crisis would have occured under whomever was President berween 2021 and 2025. It was just an unfortunate concurrence of perverse policies and societal events while Biden was in office that were outside of the President's control.


Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 11, 2026, 10:53:37 PM
"The border crisis started before Biden came into office or was even elected and it ended before he left office."
https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-3-would-trump-have-stopped-biden-border-crisis

Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 11, 2026, 11:09:58 PM
Written days before Biden left office. Got it.

The border crisis would have occured under whomever was President berween 2021 and 2025. It was just an unfortunate concurrence of perverse policies and societal events while Biden was in office that were outside of the President's control.

No. These were not all outside the President's control.

There is a detailed explanation here:

Explanation 3: Perverse enforcement policies:

Besides Title 42, Biden made another enforcement mistake. The biggest problem for deportations came from Venezuelans and other immigrants who could not be expelled to Mexico and who were logistically difficult or impossible to deport to their home countries. In response, Biden convinced Mexico to ban visa-free legal entries into Mexico for Venezuelans in January 2022, which had previously allowed Venezuelans who could afford to buy plane tickets to Mexico to travel to the US-Mexico border. Biden also convinced Belize and Costa Rica to ban Venezuelans as well, cutting off alternative flights for them.

This “closed border” policy initially reduced arrivals, but the Venezuelan ban backfired.
... https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-4-what-caused-border-crisis
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on April 12, 2026, 07:56:26 AM
No. These were not all outside the President's control.

There is a detailed explanation here:

Explanation 3: Perverse enforcement policies:

Besides Title 42, Biden made another enforcement mistake. The biggest problem for deportations came from Venezuelans and other immigrants who could not be expelled to Mexico and who were logistically difficult or impossible to deport to their home countries. In response, Biden convinced Mexico to ban visa-free legal entries into Mexico for Venezuelans in January 2022, which had previously allowed Venezuelans who could afford to buy plane tickets to Mexico to travel to the US-Mexico border. Biden also convinced Belize and Costa Rica to ban Venezuelans as well, cutting off alternative flights for them.

This “closed border” policy initially reduced arrivals, but the Venezuelan ban backfired.
... https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-4-what-caused-border-crisis
Got it.

The Biden administration couldn't fly the Venezuelans back to their home country but they could fly them from their home country into the U.S.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on April 12, 2026, 11:36:58 AM
January 16, 2025 6:01AM
Biden Didn’t Cause the Border Crisis, Part 1: Summary

My problem with all this is the misuse of the word "crisis".

Bombs flying around and destroying energy infrastructure that's propping up the whole world's economy? That might just be a crisis.
A few Mexicans crawling across the border to wash dishes? Not a crisis.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 12, 2026, 02:35:22 PM
My problem with all this is the misuse of the word "crisis".

Bombs flying around and destroying energy infrastructure that's propping up the whole world's economy? That might just be a crisis.
A few Mexicans crawling across the border to wash dishes? Not a crisis.

It's a crisis when it propels Trump back to the presidency.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 12, 2026, 02:37:12 PM
My problem with all this is the misuse of the word "crisis".

Bombs flying around and destroying energy infrastructure that's propping up the whole world's economy? That might just be a crisis.
A few Mexicans crawling across the border to wash dishes? Not a crisis.

Good point. There was no border crisis and Biden didn't cause it. The border was mismanaged in the aftermath of the pandemic.

Biden contributed to the mismanagement, but not the way MN believes. There was no open border policy. Democrats need a "the open borders hoax" slogan.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on April 12, 2026, 02:45:24 PM
Good point. There was no border crisis and Biden didn't cause it. The border was mismanaged in the aftermath of the pandemic.

Biden contributed to the mismanagement, but not the way MN believes. There was no open border policy. Democrats need a "the open borders hoax" slogan.
The Biden DOJ went after Texas whenever Texas tried to stem the flow of illegal crossings between legal entry points wirh razor wire or shipping containers.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 12, 2026, 03:01:47 PM
Got it.

The Biden administration couldn't fly the Venezuelans back to their home country but they could fly them from their home country into the U.S.

No, you didn't get it. Maybe try reading that again..

"The biggest problem for deportations came from Venezuelans and other immigrants who could not be expelled to Mexico and who were logistically difficult or impossible to deport to their home countries."

Your homework: find out why would it be logistically difficult or impossible to deport Venezuelans to their home country..

In response, Biden convinced Mexico to ban visa-free legal entries into Mexico for Venezuelans in January 2022, which had previously allowed Venezuelans who could afford to buy plane tickets to Mexico to travel to the US-Mexico border. Biden also convinced Belize and Costa Rica to ban Venezuelans as well, cutting off alternative flights for them.

This was to.prevrent Venezuelans from flying to Mexico and then sneaking into the United States.

This “closed border” policy initially reduced arrivals, but the Venezuelan ban backfired. ... https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-4-what-caused-border-crisis

You have to st least scan the article to find out why the policy failed and actually made it easier for poor Venezuelans to find their way into the ,United States.

Note that Title 42,; which Biden inherited also backfired by increasing border reentry "churn."
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 12, 2026, 03:08:09 PM
The Biden DOJ went after Texas whenever Texas tried to stem the flow of illegal crossings between legal entry points wirh razor wire or shipping containers.

AI review

The Biden administration's Department of Justice (DOJ) has engaged in several legal battles with Texas regarding state-led border security measures under "Operation Lone Star." The disputes focused on the placement of unauthorized barriers, including razor wire and floating buoys, and the federal government's authority to manage immigration.

Key Legal Disputes and DOJ Actions:

*Razor Wire Cutting (Eagle Pass): In late 2023, the DOJ argued that federal Border Patrol agents needed to cut through concertina wire installed by Texas in Eagle Pass to access the border, render aid, and process migrants, claiming the wire prevented agents from fulfilling their duties. Texas sued the Biden administration to stop this, alleging the destruction of state property. In January 2024, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in favor of the Biden administration, allowing federal agents to continue cutting or moving the wire while the legal battle continued.

*Rio Grande Floating Barriers (Buoys): In July 2023, the DOJ sued Texas over the installation of a roughly 1,000-foot line of orange, wrecking ball-sized buoys in the Rio Grande, which was intended to stop illegal crossings. The lawsuit argued that the barrier violated federal law (the Rivers and Harbors Act) by obstructing navigable waters without authorization, raised humanitarian concerns, and created potential diplomatic issues with Mexico. While a federal judge initially ordered the removal of the buoys, that decision was later appealed.

*Shipping Containers and Fencing: Texas has utilized shipping containers, razor wire, and other materials to construct barriers in high-traffic, non-legal crossing areas. The Biden administration has criticized these measures as unsafe, ineffective, and detrimental to federal border security efforts.

*SB 4 Legislation: The DOJ also sued Texas over Senate Bill 4, a law passed in 2023 that would allow state and local law enforcement to arrest and deport migrants, which the federal government argued is unconstitutional and interferes with federal authority over immigration.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott and Attorney General Ken Paxton have defended these actions as necessary, arguing the state has a right to defend itself against a historic surge in illegal crossings and that the federal government has failed to do so effectively
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on April 12, 2026, 08:43:17 PM
My problem with all this is the misuse of the word "crisis".

Bombs flying around and destroying energy infrastructure that's propping up the whole world's economy? That might just be a crisis.
A few Mexicans crawling across the border to wash dishes? Not a crisis.


Lol there was a lot more going on that a few Mexicans crawling across the border to wash dishes, but you know that.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on April 12, 2026, 08:45:14 PM
Ray’s undying love of Biden’s failed immigration enforcement being propped up by asking AI the right questions

I imagine it’s like a kid who really wants something asking their parents 10 different ways until they finally say ok fine
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on April 12, 2026, 08:49:45 PM

Lol there was a lot more going on that a few Mexicans crawling across the border to wash dishes, but you know that.

Equivalent to starting a war in Iran?

Nope.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 12, 2026, 09:16:30 PM
Ray’s undying love of Biden’s failed immigration enforcement being propped up by asking AI the right questions

I imagine it’s like a kid who really wants something asking their parents 10 different ways until they finally say ok fine

I guess that is easier than actually addressing the Cato article and the other points I raised.

Biden's  border policies failed to a significant extent. Just not for the reasons you think.

*He did not have an open border.

The closed border, particularly under policies like Title 42 and subsequent Biden-era restrictions, caused migrants to seek entry and reentry illegally between official ports of entry (such as in the San Diego and El Paso sectors). This led to increased recidivism, with migrants attempting to cross multiple times. -- AI
.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on April 13, 2026, 05:51:44 AM
AI review

The Biden administration's Department of Justice (DOJ) has engaged in several legal battles with Texas regarding state-led border security measures under "Operation Lone Star." The disputes focused on the placement of unauthorized barriers, including razor wire and floating buoys, and the federal government's authority to manage immigration.

Key Legal Disputes and DOJ Actions:

*Razor Wire Cutting (Eagle Pass): In late 2023, the DOJ argued that federal Border Patrol agents needed to cut through concertina wire installed by Texas in Eagle Pass to access the border, render aid, and process migrants, claiming the wire prevented agents from fulfilling their duties. Texas sued the Biden administration to stop this, alleging the destruction of state property. In January 2024, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in favor of the Biden administration, allowing federal agents to continue cutting or moving the wire while the legal battle continued.

*Rio Grande Floating Barriers (Buoys): In July 2023, the DOJ sued Texas over the installation of a roughly 1,000-foot line of orange, wrecking ball-sized buoys in the Rio Grande, which was intended to stop illegal crossings. The lawsuit argued that the barrier violated federal law (the Rivers and Harbors Act) by obstructing navigable waters without authorization, raised humanitarian concerns, and created potential diplomatic issues with Mexico. While a federal judge initially ordered the removal of the buoys, that decision was later appealed.

*Shipping Containers and Fencing: Texas has utilized shipping containers, razor wire, and other materials to construct barriers in high-traffic, non-legal crossing areas. The Biden administration has criticized these measures as unsafe, ineffective, and detrimental to federal border security efforts.

*SB 4 Legislation: The DOJ also sued Texas over Senate Bill 4, a law passed in 2023 that would allow state and local law enforcement to arrest and deport migrants, which the federal government argued is unconstitutional and interferes with federal authority over immigration.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott and Attorney General Ken Paxton have defended these actions as necessary, arguing the state has a right to defend itself against a historic surge in illegal crossings and that the federal government has failed to do so effectively
Thanks for the post-event summaries of the Biden DOJ not going after Texas to protect the administration's immigration policies that you have described as "mismanaged" and "failed to a significant event."

Does CATO mention any recidivists waltzing across the border once the Biden DOJ went after the razor wire and shipping containers ?

wE CAn'T prOcESs MiGRanTs !!! Mr. ABoTt, tAKe tHaT WiRe DoWN !!!
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 13, 2026, 08:42:01 AM
Thanks for the post-event summaries of the Biden DOJ not going after Texas to protect the administration's immigration policies that you have described as "mismanaged" and "failed to a significant event."

Does CATO mention any recidivists waltzing across the border once the Biden DOJ went after the razor wire and shipping containers ?

wE CAn'T prOcESs MiGRanTs !!! Mr. ABoTt, tAKe tHaT WiRe DoWN !!!

Did you miss the point intentionally?

Biden's closed border policies, some of which he inherited, caused migrants to seek illegal entry and reentry  between officially border crossings. That was the mismanagement part.

Texas attempt to take matters into their own hands. The Biden Admin responded. Reminds me of sanctuary cities, except the sides flipped.

The successful effort to blame the post pandemic border situation on a non-existent open border is, I suppose, skillful use of political propaganda.

Biden is partially to blame for making it worse, but for closed border policies, not open borders.

Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on April 13, 2026, 09:01:15 AM
Got it.
The migrants attempted to enter the country illegally because of Biden's border policies. Otherwise they would have had to go to a legal point of entry to pursue an entry legally and be given the opportunity to present claims for asylum.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on April 13, 2026, 09:50:38 AM
Got it.
The migrants attempted to enter the country illegally because of Biden's border policies. Otherwise they would have had to go to a legal point of entry to pursue an entry legally and be given the opportunity to present claims for asylum.

The migrants attempted to enter the country illegally because the GOP refuses to prosecute employers who hire illegals
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 13, 2026, 10:39:25 AM
The migrants attempted to enter the country illegally because the GOP refuses to prosecute employers who hire illegals

Yeah, but those people are typically white and wealthy. Why would we do that?
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 13, 2026, 11:02:41 AM
Got it.
The migrants attempted to enter the country illegally because of Biden's border policies. Otherwise they would have had to go to a legal point of entry to pursue an entry legally and be given the opportunity to present claims for asylum.

Title 42; which Biden inherited, prevented them from pursuing legal entry. It also eliminated consequences for illegal entry and reentry between legal points of entry.

Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 13, 2026, 01:47:34 PM
Who gives a shit Ray, they were brown, ok?
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on April 14, 2026, 08:26:08 AM
Title 42; which Biden inherited, prevented them from pursuing legal entry.


I'm not sure about that.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 14, 2026, 10:44:42 PM
Title 42 expulsion was a public health order used during the COVID-19 pandemic (March 2020–May 2023) that allowed U.S. authorities to rapidly expel migrants, including asylum seekers, at the U.S.-Mexico border without processing their claims, citing public health concerns under the Public Health Service Act. Implemented by the Trump administration and continued by the Biden administration, the policy prevented many from seeking asylum and resulted in millions of expulsions, primarily to Mexico or their home countries, before it ended in May 2023.

Key aspects of the program:

*Legal basis: It invoked Title 42 of the U.S. Code, a public health law, to suspend the introduction of people into the U.S. to prevent the spread of communicable diseases.

*Mechanism: It allowed U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) to quickly expel migrants, often within minutes, without standard immigration processing or asylum screening.

*Impact on asylum: It effectively blocked access to the asylum system for many, preventing them from making claims for protection.

*Scope: It applied to migrants arriving from Canada or Mexico, regardless of their country of origin, though rare exceptions were made.

*Duration: The policy was in effect from March 2020 until it was terminated on May 11, 2023.

*Statistics: It led to nearly 3 million expulsions, with most being single adults from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 14, 2026, 10:55:32 PM
The United States recovered more quickly than other countries from the pandemic. This created job shortages that migrants sought to fill. Closed border policies encouraged migrants to enter and renter between official points of entry.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on April 14, 2026, 11:20:56 PM
The United States recovered more quickly than other countries from the pandemic. This created job shortages that migrants sought to fill. Closed border policies encouraged migrants to enter and renter between official points of entry.

We printed 4 trillion dollars. Cause and effect. Do you still believe the giant cash infusion didn’t influence inflation the same way you don’t believe Biden didn’t have anything to do with the surge in entries?
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 14, 2026, 11:39:41 PM
We printed 4 trillion dollars. Cause and effect. Do you still believe the giant cash infusion didn’t influence inflation the same way you don’t believe Biden didn’t have anything to do with the surge in entries?

Pandemic supply chain bottlenecks,. aggravated by Trump's trade policies also influenced inflation. Trump also signed a stimulus package. If I recall correctly, higher wages also contributed.. Biden's stimulus, in and of itself, did not cause inflation. It was one of a number of factors.

The fed felt like it was transitory and would self correct. However, they ultimately had to raise interest rates.
.
Cato argues that the border 'crisis was'resolved before Biden left office. This was because demand for workers declined somewhat and Biden increased legal immigration..

Hope that helps
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on April 15, 2026, 07:01:43 AM
Title 42 expulsion was a public health order used during the COVID-19 pandemic (March 2020–May 2023) that allowed U.S. authorities to rapidly expel migrants, including asylum seekers, at the U.S.-Mexico border without processing their claims, citing public health concerns under the Public Health Service Act. Implemented by the Trump administration and continued by the Biden administration, the policy prevented many from seeking asylum and resulted in millions of expulsions, primarily to Mexico or their home countries, before it ended in May 2023.

Key aspects of the program:

*Legal basis: It invoked Title 42 of the U.S. Code, a public health law, to suspend the introduction of people into the U.S. to prevent the spread of communicable diseases.

*Mechanism: It allowed U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) to quickly expel migrants, often within minutes, without standard immigration processing or asylum screening.

*Impact on asylum: It effectively blocked access to the asylum system for many, preventing them from making claims for protection.

*Scope: It applied to migrants arriving from Canada or Mexico, regardless of their country of origin, though rare exceptions were made.

*Duration: The policy was in effect from March 2020 until it was terminated on May 11, 2023.

*Statistics: It led to nearly 3 million expulsions, with most being single adults from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador.
3 graphs from a Monday column by the guy who appears to prefer the Biden immigration numbers over the Trump years.
He mentions that under Trump 2 that the immigration numbers are falling by 90% or whatever, as if that's a bad thing.
The graphs essentially show that the immigration numbers that existed when Biden entered office are not much different than the numbers than the Trump 2 numbers.
(https://i.ibb.co/60q4SBSK/Screenshot-20260415-063427-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GQrVDTDZ)
(https://i.ibb.co/1GyXDt6G/Screenshot-20260415-063450-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SwYmh4rw)
(https://i.ibb.co/TD3WW4hg/Screenshot-20260415-063530-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/204ZZvKk)

One could say that Border Patrol encounters and releases have returned to numbers closer to the pre-Biden administration numbers.

Or I suppose that one could say that Trump policy is responsible for a 90% drop, or whatever,  in some immigration numbers from the Biden administration and that the peak Biden year numbers are not an issue.
The drops due to Orange Man bad policies are a problem and should be addressed. Not that I would say that tho.

https://www.cato.org/blog/trump-has-cut-legal-immigration-more-illegal-immigration
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on April 15, 2026, 07:28:47 AM
Title 42 expulsion was a public health order used during the COVID-19 pandemic (March 2020–May 2023) that allowed U.S. authorities to rapidly expel migrants, including asylum seekers, at the U.S.-Mexico border without processing their claims, citing public health concerns under the Public Health Service Act. Implemented by the Trump administration and continued by the Biden administration, the policy prevented many from seeking asylum and resulted in millions of expulsions, primarily to Mexico or their home countries, before it ended in May 2023.

Key aspects of the program:

*Legal basis: It invoked Title 42 of the U.S. Code, a public health law, to suspend the introduction of people into the U.S. to prevent the spread of communicable diseases.

*Mechanism: It allowed U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) to quickly expel migrants, often within minutes, without standard immigration processing or asylum screening.

*Impact on asylum: It effectively blocked access to the asylum system for many, preventing them from making claims for protection.

*Scope: It applied to migrants arriving from Canada or Mexico, regardless of their country of origin, though rare exceptions were made.

*Duration: The policy was in effect from March 2020 until it was terminated on May 11, 2023.

*Statistics: It led to nearly 3 million expulsions, with most being single adults from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador.
"without processing their claims" omg

Which then becomes 'many', not 'all' as 'prevented' would imply. were expelled.

Title 42, which Biden 'inherited'  :D , resulted in border closures due to Covid. The borders weren't the only closures. Churches, restaurants, etc were closed for the common good and similar to not letting people enter the country the people were not allowed to enter churches.

Orange Man bad for closing the border but closing the churches was good.

Title 42 was in effect due to what many believe was a result of gain of function experiments in Wuhan.
Nonetheless, asylum claims were approved. Seeking asylum was not prevented.,
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 15, 2026, 12:33:26 PM
Title 42 encouraged migrants to enter and re-enter between official points of entry. Because expulsions under Title 42 carried no formal legal penalties, many migrants, particularly single adults, made multiple attempts to cross, which caused recidivism rates to surge from 7% in FY 2019 to 27% in FY 2021.

Key details on how Title 42 impacted crossing behavior:

*Removal of Consequences: Unlike traditional immigration law (Title 8), Title 42 allowed for quick expulsion back to Mexico without the formal penalties, such as criminal charges or long-term bans, associated with illegal re-entry.

*Encouraged Repeated Attempts: This "no-consequence" system incentivized individuals to try again immediately after being sent back, leading to a high rate of repeat crossings.

*Closure of Ports of Entry: Because official ports of entry were effectively closed to asylum seekers, migrants were forced to cross irregularly in between designated points of entry

*Rise in "Gotaways": The policy failed to deter migration and, by forcing people away from managed checkpoints, led to an increase in unauthorized, unapprehended crossings (known as "gotaways").

https://www.wola.org/analysis/end-title-42/
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on April 16, 2026, 08:54:44 AM
3 graphs from a Monday column by the guy who appears to prefer the Biden immigration numbers over the Trump years.
He mentions that under Trump 2 that the immigration numbers are falling by 90% or whatever, as if that's a bad thing.
The graphs essentially show that the immigration numbers that existed when Biden entered office are not much different than the numbers than the Trump 2 numbers.
(https://i.ibb.co/60q4SBSK/Screenshot-20260415-063427-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GQrVDTDZ)
(https://i.ibb.co/1GyXDt6G/Screenshot-20260415-063450-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SwYmh4rw)
(https://i.ibb.co/TD3WW4hg/Screenshot-20260415-063530-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/204ZZvKk)

One could say that Border Patrol encounters and releases have returned to numbers closer to the pre-Biden administration numbers.

Or I suppose that one could say that Trump policy is responsible for a 90% drop, or whatever,  in some immigration numbers from the Biden administration and that the peak Biden year numbers are not an issue.
The drops due to Orange Man bad policies are a problem and should be addressed. Not that I would say that tho.

https://www.cato.org/blog/trump-has-cut-legal-immigration-more-illegal-immigration


Who forwarded my post to POTUS ?  ;D

(https://i.ibb.co/cKFpmNFR/Screenshot-20260416-085130-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HLzMJrzR)
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 16, 2026, 09:42:05 AM
3 graphs from a Monday column by the guy who appears to prefer the Biden immigration numbers over the Trump years.
He mentions that under Trump 2 that the immigration numbers are falling by 90% or whatever, as if that's a bad thing.
The graphs essentially show that the immigration numbers that existed when Biden entered office are not much different than the numbers than the Trump 2 numbers.
(https://i.ibb.co/60q4SBSK/Screenshot-20260415-063427-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GQrVDTDZ)
(https://i.ibb.co/1GyXDt6G/Screenshot-20260415-063450-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SwYmh4rw)
(https://i.ibb.co/TD3WW4hg/Screenshot-20260415-063530-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/204ZZvKk)

One could say that Border Patrol encounters and releases have returned to numbers closer to the pre-Biden administration numbers.

Or I suppose that one could say that Trump policy is responsible for a 90% drop, or whatever,  in some immigration numbers from the Biden administration and that the peak Biden year numbers are not an issue.
The drops due to Orange Man bad policies are a problem and should be addressed. Not that I would say that tho.

https://www.cato.org/blog/trump-has-cut-legal-immigration-more-illegal-immigration

Trump Has Cut Legal Immigration More Than Illegal Immigration
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on April 16, 2026, 09:46:14 AM
Trump Has Cut Legal Immigration More Than Illegal Immigration
He's cut them all the way back down to approximately what the numbers were before that big grey area hump showed up.
It's almost as if something happened in Jan 2021.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 16, 2026, 10:04:54 PM

IThese cuts to legal immigration are harming US citizens seeking to reunite with their spouses, fiancés, children, and other relatives. They are also undermining US prosperity and increasing the US deficit. But they also illustrate the central misconception about the Trump administration’s immigration agenda.

"It is not about stopping “illegal” immigration. It is a broader assault on all types of immigration. As Americans debate the path forward on immigration, that’s a reality everyone should understand."

 
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 16, 2026, 10:21:52 PM
IThese cuts to legal immigration are harming US citizens seeking to reunite with their spouses, fiancés, children, and other relatives. They are also undermining US prosperity and increasing the US deficit. But they also illustrate the central misconception about the Trump administration’s immigration agenda.

"It is not about stopping “illegal” immigration. It is a broader assault on all types of immigration. As Americans debate the path forward on immigration, that’s a reality everyone should understand."


Someone is quite a few years late to the game.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 16, 2026, 11:04:13 PM
He's cut them all the way back down to approximately what the numbers were before that big grey area hump showed up.
It's almost as if something happened in Jan 2021.

You mean he cut it back to the 2020 level; when there was a major pandemic and policy related decline?

Some are actually estimating a net negative for 2025. I realize some see that as a good thing.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 17, 2026, 12:29:58 AM
Someone is quite a few years late to the game.

I have been saying America First is about immigration, not just illegal immigration, since before Trump got involved. And not just immigration.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on April 17, 2026, 01:27:58 AM
IThese cuts to legal immigration are harming US citizens seeking to reunite with their spouses, fiancés, children, and other relatives. They are also undermining US prosperity and increasing the US deficit. But they also illustrate the central misconception about the Trump administration’s immigration agenda.

"It is not about stopping “illegal” immigration. It is a broader assault on all types of immigration. As Americans debate the path forward on immigration, that’s a reality everyone should understand."


For fuck’s sake
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on April 17, 2026, 06:44:17 AM
Title 42; which Biden inherited, prevented them from pursuing legal entry. It also eliminated consequences for illegal entry and reentry between legal points of entry.



I took the liberty to mark up one of your immigration fanatic's graphs that he included regarding legal immigration numbers.
Apparently the same Title 42 that prevented legal entry under the Title 42 that Biden inherited was different than the Title 42 that Trump operated under. 🤷

Notice that the graph begins in 2017. I included non-movable goalposts to approximate the Title 42 years.

(https://i.ibb.co/HTgYtH0y/Screenshot-20260417-063257-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZzTKBM3r)
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 17, 2026, 08:17:11 AM
Texas Restaurants Are Forcing a Reckoning Over Immigrant Labor
Restaurant operators say labor shortages, rising costs and worker fear have prompted an unusual alliance of industry and political leaders in Texas to call for legal pathways to hire immigrants.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/17/us/texas-restaurants-immigration-work-permits.html?unlocked_article_code=1.blA.HGSH.aFvd4g7vSfIN&smid=url-share
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on April 17, 2026, 08:58:31 AM
Texas Restaurants Are Forcing a Reckoning Over Immigrant Labor
Restaurant operators say labor shortages, rising costs and worker fear have prompted an unusual alliance of industry and political leaders in Texas to call for legal pathways to hire immigrants.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/17/us/texas-restaurants-immigration-work-permits.html?unlocked_article_code=1.blA.HGSH.aFvd4g7vSfIN&smid=url-share
I have a suggestion.

The job market shift Minnesota hasn’t seen since before the Great Recession
Minnesota’s unemployment rate moved above the national level for the first time in nearly 20 years.
https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/the-job-market-shift-minnesota-hasnt-seen-since-before-the-great-recession/
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 17, 2026, 12:13:04 PM
I have a suggestion.

The job market shift Minnesota hasn’t seen since before the Great Recession
Minnesota’s unemployment rate moved above the national level for the first time in nearly 20 years.
https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/the-job-market-shift-minnesota-hasnt-seen-since-before-the-great-recession/

You are moving to Texas?
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on April 17, 2026, 12:19:21 PM
You are moving to Texas?

He won't. Too many brown people.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on April 17, 2026, 12:29:28 PM
I took the liberty to mark up one of your immigration fanatic's graphs that he included regarding legal immigration numbers.
Apparently the same Title 42 that prevented legal entry under the Title 42 that Biden inherited was different than the Title 42 that Trump operated under. 🤷

Notice that the graph begins in 2017. I included non-movable goalposts to approximate the Title 42 years.

(https://i.ibb.co/HTgYtH0y/Screenshot-20260417-063257-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZzTKBM3r)

I’ve shared that same graph with marks on it before, just without the title 42 things. Maybe this will finally get him to capitulate 😂
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 17, 2026, 12:41:56 PM
I’ve shared that same graph with marks on it before, just without the title 42 things. Maybe this will finally get him to capitulate 😂

You are missing a lot of context and you don't know what those numbers represent as part of the big picture..

"Effect of pandemic and timing
*Humanitarian exceptions to Title 42 such as unaccompanied children

The net effect of closed border policies was a surge in illegal entries and reentries.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on April 17, 2026, 01:00:46 PM
You are missing a lot of context and you don't know what those numbers represent as part of the big picture..

"Effect of pandemic and timing
*Humanitarian exceptions to Title 42 such as unaccompanied children

The net effect of closed border policies was a surge in illegal entries and reentries.
The graph represents legal entries, which you said were prevented when Biden "inherited" Trump's 42.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 17, 2026, 02:30:29 PM

is
The graph represents legal entries, which you said were prevented when Biden "inherited" Trump's 42.

I am pretty sure I mentioned some exceptions to immediate expulsion were made. Do you want me to look up the details for you? One example was unaccompanied children. In addition, iirc, limited numbers of Haitians and Cubans were allowed to apply for some sort of protected status.

The majority were sought entry through official ports of entry were immediately sent back. This encouraged them to enter illegally between the borders.. if they got caught, they were immediately sent back, so they would just try again. I am thinking most were single adults.

Hope that helps..
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on April 17, 2026, 03:43:36 PM

is
I am pretty sure I mentioned some exceptions to immediate expulsion were made. Do you want me to look up the details for you? One example was unaccompanied children. In addition, iirc, limited numbers of Haitians and Cubans were allowed to apply for some sort of protected status.

The majority were sought entry through official ports of entry were immediately sent back. This encouraged them to enter illegally between the borders.. if they got caught, they were immediately sent back, so they would just try again. I am thinking most were single adults.

Hope that helps..

The graph represents legal entries. not turn-arounds or expulsions, and until May 2023 would represent the legal entries under Title 42
The majority of the unaccompanied children were not considered legal entries, and would not be included in the graph.

It appears there were a lot of legal entries that you have said Title 42 prevented.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 17, 2026, 03:56:56 PM
The graph represents legal entries. not turn-arounds or expulsions, and until May 2023 would represent the legal entries under Title 42
The majority of the unaccompanied children were not considered legal entries, and would not be included in the graph.

It appears there were a lot of legal entries that you have said Title 42 prevented.

Fuck you. I clarified several several times there were exceptions.

I think you are mistaken about the meaning of legal entities in this context.

"Legal Entities" in the Context of Entry:
It is important to note that "legal entity" usually refers to a business or organization. In the context of Title 42, the entities permitted to cross the border for essential travel (e.g., trade, work, tourism) generally continued to function, as the policy was focused specifically on migrants and asylum seekers at the border.

who were the legal entities that entered during title 42?

Under the Title 42 policy (March 2020 – May 2023), the U.S. government primarily expelled migrants rather than allowing them to enter. However, specific groups and individuals were permitted to enter or were exempted from the quick-expulsion policy, including:

*Unaccompanied Minors: Following a November 2020 court ruling and subsequent CDC orders in February 2021, unaccompanied children were exempted from Title 42 and allowed into the U.S. to undergo standard immigration processing.

*Vulnerable Families: While many families were expelled, some were exempted on a case-by-case basis due to humanitarian concerns or because Mexico could not accept them, particularly as policies shifted later in the pandemic.
Specific Nationalities (Post-2022): In late 2022, the Biden administration introduced parole programs for Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans who applied online, had a sponsor, and arrived by air.

*Ukrainian Nationals: In response to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Biden administration created an expedited program for Ukrainians, allowing many to enter through humanitarian parole and exemptions from Title 42.

*Those with Humanitarian Exceptions: Some individuals, including specific asylum seekers with urgent protection needs, were granted exceptions to the policy by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) at ports of entry.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on April 17, 2026, 05:51:38 PM
Even Buddhist ray resorts to profanity when getting schooled by Mn
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 17, 2026, 08:22:05 PM
Even Buddhist ray resorts to profanity when getting schooled by Mn

Schooled?  No. Frustrated? Sort of. I don't come here to have my words taken out of context and the precise meaning picked apart, or to chase red herrings.

The points stand.

Biden did not have an open border.

Trump's policies are anti-immigration, not just anti illegal immigration.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 17, 2026, 08:24:46 PM
Fu2
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Hal9000 on April 17, 2026, 09:30:09 PM
Fu2

There’s no solid evidence that Gautama Buddha used “swear words” in the way we think of them today.

In the earliest Buddhist texts (like the Pāli Canon), he’s portrayed as very deliberate and disciplined in speech. One of the core teachings is right speech (in Buddhism), which means avoiding:

harsh or abusive language

lying
gossip or divisive talk
pointless chatter

That said, he didn’t always speak gently in tone. There are moments where he uses sharp or blunt language to correct someone—calling behavior “foolish,” “ignorant,” or “unskillful.” In context, this wasn’t casual anger or venting; it was meant as instruction, not insult.

Also worth noting: what counts as a “swear word” is very culturally specific. Ancient India didn’t have the same categories of profanity we have today. So even when the Buddha used strong words, they weren’t the equivalent of modern curse words.

So:

No evidence of casual swearing or profanity

Occasional firm, even cutting speech, but with a teaching purpose

Strong emphasis on ethical, mindful communication
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 17, 2026, 10:55:49 PM
I am.a former Buddhist. I used to practice with a Mahayana school that stressed devotional chanting.

I currently haven't taken any vows.

I have investigated other schools and various practices; some of which which I find both accessible and useful.

On speech, sarcasm is generally viewed as unwholesome because it is thought to be insincere, belittling, or cutting, a means of putting others down.  On the other, ironic humor and facetiousness are usually considered to be wholesome because they help us see ourselves and elevate the discussion. It really comes down to intent.

It is interesting that Christians seem to demand a higher standard of conduct from Buddhists.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Custard on April 18, 2026, 01:00:17 AM
I am.a former Buddhist. I used to practice with a Mahayana school that stressed devotion chanting.

I currently haven't taken any vows.

I have investigated other schools and various practices; some of which which I find both accessible and useful.

On speech, sarcasm is generally viewed as unwholesome because it is viewed as insincere, belittling, or cutting, a means of putting others down.  On the other, ironic humor and facetiousness are usually deemed to be wholesome because they help us see ourselves and elevate the discussion. It really comes down to intent.

It is interesting that Christians seem to demand a higher standard of conduct from Buddhists.

I don’t hold anyone to a high standard here, I was just giving you shit.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on April 18, 2026, 06:48:20 AM
Fuck you. I clarified several several times there were exceptions.

I think you are mistaken about the meaning of legal entities in this context.

"Legal Entities" in the Context of Entry:
It is important to note that "legal entity" usually refers to a business or organization. In the context of Title 42, the entities permitted to cross the border for essential travel (e.g., trade, work, tourism) generally continued to function, as the policy was focused specifically on migrants and asylum seekers at the border.

who were the legal entities that entered during title 42?

Under the Title 42 policy (March 2020 – May 2023), the U.S. government primarily expelled migrants rather than allowing them to enter. However, specific groups and individuals were permitted to enter or were exempted from the quick-expulsion policy, including:

*Unaccompanied Minors: Following a November 2020 court ruling and subsequent CDC orders in February 2021, unaccompanied children were exempted from Title 42 and allowed into the U.S. to undergo standard immigration processing.

*Vulnerable Families: While many families were expelled, some were exempted on a case-by-case basis due to humanitarian concerns or because Mexico could not accept them, particularly as policies shifted later in the pandemic.
Specific Nationalities (Post-2022): In late 2022, the Biden administration introduced parole programs for Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans who applied online, had a sponsor, and arrived by air.

*Ukrainian Nationals: In response to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Biden administration created an expedited program for Ukrainians, allowing many to enter through humanitarian parole and exemptions from Title 42.

*Those with Humanitarian Exceptions: Some individuals, including specific asylum seekers with urgent protection needs, were granted exceptions to the policy by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) at ports of entry.

There were exceptions for some individuals ?

(https://i.ibb.co/ZRb4tkcf/Screenshot-20260415-063530-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SDZYW9V6)
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on April 18, 2026, 07:26:55 AM
Immigration was an 80/20 issue in the 2024 election cycle.

Tho I don't know if it's knowable, I doubt if the majority of individuals in the 20 category are as open borders as David Bier.

Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 18, 2026, 10:53:12 AM
Immigration was an 80/20 issue in the 2024 election cycle.

Tho I don't know if it's knowable, I doubt if the majority of individuals in the 20 category are as open borders as David Bier.

I am fairly confident the majority aren't as closed border as you and your hero Donnie.

I have doubts whether or not Trump is an America First ideologue, or an opportunist who found an issue to exploit. For practical purposes, I assume he is the former.

I do agree Trump and MAGA successfully sold his anti-immigrant / closed border agenda.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Hal9000 on April 18, 2026, 11:11:04 AM
I am fairly confident the majority aren't as closed border as you and your hero Donnie.

I have doubts whether or not Trump is an America First ideologue, or an opportunist who found an issue to exploit. For practical purposes, I assume he is the former.

I do agree Trump and MAGA successfully sold his anti-immigrant / closed border agenda.

Ray, I am not a Christian.

The 9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made. No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information.
We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: illiniray on April 18, 2026, 11:14:45 AM
I don’t hold anyone to a high standard here, I was just giving you shit.

I took it as a compliment.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Chickengeorge on April 18, 2026, 01:56:47 PM
Such language.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Judge Judy on April 18, 2026, 10:51:34 PM
Texas Restaurants Are Forcing a Reckoning Over Immigrant Labor
Restaurant operators say labor shortages, rising costs and worker fear have prompted an unusual alliance of industry and political leaders in Texas to call for legal pathways to hire immigrants.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/17/us/texas-restaurants-immigration-work-permits.html?unlocked_article_code=1.blA.HGSH.aFvd4g7vSfIN&smid=url-share

Texas Roadhouse is doing just fine…
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: Reacher on April 19, 2026, 04:00:20 PM
Leave these poor billionaires ALONE! Or I’ll get angry!

(https://i.postimg.cc/YSXTzfMY/IMG-6349.png) (https://postimg.cc/TyDkRby3)
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 19, 2026, 05:30:27 PM
Leave these poor billionaires ALONE! Or I’ll get angry!

(https://i.postimg.cc/YSXTzfMY/IMG-6349.png) (https://postimg.cc/TyDkRby3)

There are tons of small businesses where the owners take smaller salaries and take annual distribusions instead. Not identical, but saves 15% or so on withholding taxes, etc
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on April 19, 2026, 05:54:47 PM
There are tons of small businesses where the owners take smaller salaries and take annual distribusions instead. Not identical, but saves 15% or so on withholding taxes, etc

Bezos takes *no* distribution, just borrows off his holdings, and pays no taxes. And is not the owner of a small business.

Small businesses are thinking "yeah sweet we nailed the IRS" and Bezos is over there drinking their beer.
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: ThePAMan on April 19, 2026, 05:56:44 PM
Bezos takes *no* distribution, just borrows off his holdings, and pays no taxes. And is not the owner of a small business.

Small businesses are thinking "yeah sweet we nailed the IRS" and Bezos is over there drinking their beer.

Would be interesting to know which costs taxpayers more... Small business owners doing that (and having the business pay their personal expenses as well) versus what Bezos is doing
Title: Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
Post by: murphstahoe on April 19, 2026, 06:10:02 PM
Would be interesting to know which costs taxpayers more... Small business owners doing that (and having the business pay their personal expenses as well) versus what Bezos is doing

Bigger picture, some small business that then spends most of that money and circulates it back into the economy, or Bezos who buys a yacht in Italy and houses it in the Caymans.

You don't need to convince me that the tax code is wack. I spend a lot of time and energy dealing with exploiting it.

Consider - I have some stock that was purchased for pennies. If I sell let's say, $100 of it, I pay $15 in taxes (let's go with the 15% bracket for now).  But if I *donate* the stock, I can deduct $100 off of my taxes, including the $15 that was never going to be mine in the first place. Let's say I save say, $40 in taxes. So instead of keeping $85 by selling, I donate $100, and reduce my tax burden on other income by $40.

Vs some "sucker" who just donates money that was post tax, doesn't get the cap gains deduction, and doesn't itemize anyway so isn't deducting the donation anyway.