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General Category => Halas Hall Football Forum => Topic started by: Reacher on December 21, 2024, 09:19:34 AM
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NY Jets:
• family criticizes players in lockeroom
• owner nixed trade based on Madden ratings
• owner answers to his teenage kid on football matters
• I think there were other outlandish shenanigans but I forgot what they were
Let’s get rid of the myth that the Bears are somehow the most dysfunctional franchise in the league. Most franchises are at least somewhat dysfunctional and these jobs are very hard to get. Most of these candidates are hot commodities 1-2 years. There is rarely such thing as a “great situation” for an incoming HC. That’s why they are looking for a new HC. The Bears job is likely the most desirable job that will open up this year. Look around the league. There are few “great situations.” No one wanted to go to KC until Reid took the job.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/19/sports/woody-johnsons-maddening-dysfunction-is-latest-in-jets-history/
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Google is always watching you. This just popped up in my feed…
https://www.chicitysports.com/chicago-bears-environment-coaching-candidates
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No one said they were the most dysfunctional but they’re closer to NYJ and Jax territory than they are to Pittsburgh, GB, KC, etc.
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No one said they were the most dysfunctional but they’re closer to NYJ and Jax territory than they are to Pittsburgh, GB, KC, etc.
And again, those jobs aren’t open. And haven’t been for a long time…
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Also again, KC was a place coaches went to die until Reid resurrected their franchise.
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The thought of the McCaskeys finally selling, but ending up with Bezos or Musk is kinda gross.
https://youtu.be/bcVHAsZtLCY
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Why can’t it be Warren Buffett?
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Bears - at least we arent the NY jets!
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Bears - at least we arent the NY jets!
Or the Panthers. Or the Jags. Or the Cowboys. Or the Browns. Or the Giants. Or the Raiders. Or the Cardinals.
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Hey Florio, I need you to put “Bears should trade for DC Steve Spagnuolo” out into the ether.
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Or the Panthers. Or the Jags. Or the Cowboys. Or the Browns. Or the Giants. Or the Raiders. Or the Cardinals.
The bears - we're 20th percentile good!
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The bears - we're 20th percentile good!
Bengals, Texans, Lions, Chargers, Commanders, Chiefs, Dolphins, Colts, are other franchises that have all been a joke recently, too.
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Yet somehow they all found candidates willing to take those jobs.
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Yet somehow they all found candidates willing to take those jobs.
They didn't have Sweaty Teddy and now Warren.
The Bear best hire since Ditka was Lovie Smith?
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They didn't have Sweaty Teddy and now Warren.
The Bear best hire since Ditka was Lovie Smith?
Yeah, they had guys like Tepper, Irsay, Jerry Jones, and Marc Davis (I could easily add more). Get it through your thick heads that there’s a lot of stupid, meddlesome ownership out there.
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Yeah, they had guys like Tepper, Irsay, Jerry Jones, and Marc Davis (I could easily add more). Get it through your thick heads that there’s a lot of stupid, meddlesome ownership out there.
A few of those have all done better, at one point or another, during Poles' tenure.
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The point is the idea of working for any of them isn’t particularly appetizing. Yet they always find coaches who will.
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The point is the idea of working for any of them isn’t particularly appetizing. Yet they always find coaches who will.
You can always find a coach, as we have seen. Finding a good coach is the problem.
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Somehow the Lions found one. The Chiefs. The Vikings. The Bengals. The Rams. The Commanders. The Texans. The Broncos. The Browns. Et Al
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Others TBD
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Somehow the Lions found one. The Chiefs. The Vikings. The Bengals. The Rams. The Commanders. The Texans. The Broncos. The Browns. Et Al
Let me know when the Bear do....the Bengals and Browns? Really? Why are the Viking and Ram on that list?
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Vikings were dysfunctional. Rams were down and play in a town where even as Super Bowl champs they barely notice they’re there.
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Let me know when the Bear do....the Bengals and Browns? Really? Why are the Viking and Ram on that list?
Their coach took Joe Burrow and a bunch of nobodies to a SB and then were cheated out of it. Stefanski is a two-time COY.
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I bet if the Bears played the Rams in LA it would be 50% Bears fans.
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Vikings were dysfunctional. Rams were down and play in a town where even as Super Bowl champs they barely notice they’re there.
The Vikings were? They were always meh.
Unsure what the lack of fan enthusiam has to do with the Ram football management.
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“Meh” always gets the best coaches!
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Pretty sure O’Connell was there for the taking for the Bears. They went elsewhere.
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“Meh” always gets the best coaches!
They were not as bad as this Bear team.has been since Poles took over, have they?
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Pretty sure O’Connell was there for the taking for the Bears. They went elsewhere.
Minnesota apparently made the right call there. He's not Mike Tice.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/FFYV3Xtz/IMG-9907.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nMtmf5hf)
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Every stud wants to work for cheap owners and mediocre at best management.
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Every stud wants to work for cheap owners and mediocre at best management.
JFC you guys are hardheaded. No amount of proof moves you.
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Generally better than the Poles Era, don't you think?
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Generally better than the Poles Era, don't you think?
No.
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No.
How can you honestly say that?
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How can you honestly say that?
Because 2-14, 7-9, 6-10 and 4-12 aren’t any different from what the Bears have been doing. And I’m guessing the Rams didn’t blow up the roster on purpose.
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Those records literally mirror what the Bears have done minus accounting for the extra game played since they added a game to the schedule. And again, the Rams didn’t blow everything up on purpose.
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Because 2-14, 7-9, 6-10 and 4-12 aren’t any different from what the Bears have been doing. And I’m guessing the Rams didn’t blow up the roster on purpose.
The Bear won over 4 games during the Poles Era?
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"Roster" looking great!
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The Bear won over 4 games during the Poles Era?
You already forgot last year? 7-10
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"Roster" looking great!
They are extremely poorly coached and mentally defeated. A good coach can fix it.
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You already forgot last year? 7-10
LOL. I guess I did. Should have tanked.
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They are extremely poorly coached and mentally defeated. A good coach can fix it.
Like Dan Campbell? LOL
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If he brings those coordinators, maybe.
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They are extremely poorly coached and mentally defeated. A good coach can fix it.
Hopefully. It might take a couple years.
Welcome back to earth.
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Liam Coen intrigues me if we miss on Ben Johnson.
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Liam Coen intrigues me if we miss on Ben Johnson.
I dunno man that name sounds pretty jewish for you to support him
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I dunno man that name sounds pretty jewish for you to support him
😏
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I dunno man that name sounds pretty jewish for you to support him
I thought Liam was Irish
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Another Tempo Myth, that Bears were set up and Williams landed in the bestest 1-1 spot as a QB, BUSTED!!!
Peyton Manning doesn't hold back criticism of Bears handling of Caleb Williams https://share.google/muGkmFiOtCJvd3ZZp
"Take the last two drafts, Manning says. Chicago’s Caleb Williams and Carolina’s Bryce Young, the No. 1 picks in 2024 and 2023, respectively, enter this season on their second head coach — third if you count interims — and third play caller. So far, all they know in the NFL is turnover.
'I just wish a team would admit, ‘OK, we need a quarterback this year, but we’re not 100 percent sure our coach is the right guy, so we’re not gonna bring him into this,' Manning continues. “Of course, they always draft the quarterback.
'Those teams were not ready,' he says of the Bears and Panthers. 'That’s just how I feel.'”
Yet Tempo said there were reasons to being back Eberlose....
ThePATheyXeXem wins again. At this point, I am the Harlem Globetrotters to Tempo's Washington Generals.
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LOL
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A lot to unpack here:
first off, I’ll start by saying this is the same guy who in the last 24 hours as harangued me about how the Bears signing Bagent to a $10 million dollar deal is a sure signal they don’t believe in Caleb.
Secondly, Manning said “those teams weren’t ready yet.” Ok, sure. Ready for what? Ready to win a Super Bowl? Duh, no shit. When it comes to “best situation ever for an overall #1” the bar is quite low. That’s why those teams are drafting in the top spot.
Thirdly, for the millionth time, PAMan is allowing excuses for Caleb that Justin never got the benefit of, not even for one second. And Justin had a much worse roster when he became the starter.
Queue the “But Getsy was so much better than Waldron!” narrative. Both turned out to be trash, but at least Shane Waldron had a track record of running a competent NFL offense. “It was because of Marshawn Lynch! I mean, they ran the Marshawn Lynch playbook!”
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Also, again PAMan misquotes me (and it’s well documented how much he hates being misquoted). What I said specifically is that you could make a case to bring back Eberflus if you were looking to do so. I also don’t feel there was any chance George was firing him last year. Not when they “showed improvement” and the defense looked to be up and coming.
What I also said many times that he loves to gloss over is that if they were changing quarterbacks, they should bring in a new coach. He conveniently leaves that part out of our “discussions.”
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Let me know when the Bear do....the Bengals and Browns? Really? Why are the Viking and Ram on that list?
Thanks for bumping the thread, and proving I was right yet again.
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Liam Coen intrigues me if we miss on Ben Johnson.
“Du-Valllllllll…”
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Let's review:
Tempo said there were reasons to bring back Eberlose, like the D had a great end of the season.
ThePAMan said, no, the Bear were slaying bums at the end of that season, Eberlose sucked ass, and there was zero reason to being his sorry ass back.
Fact: Bear defense was not better last year, Eberlose routinely blew games, Eberlose ran a country club with guys talking to fans at end of games and Monty Sweat watching from the sidelines, and Williams went through 3 OCs last year.
Winner by Knockout, The PAMan!
The PAMan is Curly Neal, Meadowlark Lemon, and Marques Haynes to Tempo's Washington Generals and the fat ref that the Globetrotters always pranked on ABC's Wild World of Sports.
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If this were a fight, referee Judge Judy would have stopped it in round one
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For a guy with very (extremely) specific rules about quoting people, you sure are lousy at quoting people properly.
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The defense was still like 12th in points allowed (and respectable in most metrics). And that was with missing two key players much of the season. The defense underperformed a bit, but wasn’t what was killing the Bears last year.
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And it’s also been alleged your guy Montez was playing hurt a lot of the year! 🤣
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But again, thanks for bumping the thread and proving I was right and you were wrong! “No decent head coaching candidate would want the Bears job!” - ThePAMan
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The job was so good they had to give him personnel power and neuter the GM.
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The defense was still like 12th in points allowed (and respectable in most metrics). And that was with missing two key players much of the season. The defense underperformed a bit, but wasn’t what was killing the Bears last year.
LOL. The defense sucked. Sweat has been lazy since getting paid.
Hopefully that all gets turned around under the new regime.
Nonetheless, glad to see the Washington Generals are always up for a game.
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LOL
https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/touchdown/2025/09/02/nfl-great-peyton-manning-criticizes-chicago-bears-handling-of-caleb-williams/85942918007/
Best position ever! If you exclude the shitty coaching and OL!
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The job was so good they had to give him personnel power and neuter the GM.
They’re not going to extend a GM just so they neuter him. That’s a wild take even for you.
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LOL
https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/touchdown/2025/09/02/nfl-great-peyton-manning-criticizes-chicago-bears-handling-of-caleb-williams/85942918007/
Best position ever! If you exclude the shitty coaching and OL!
Yet the coaching and OL were MORE than good enough for Fields. Hypocrisy at its finest.
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LOL. The defense sucked.
The stats say there were average to a little above average.
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13th in total defense and 12th in points allowed. Not dominant but not “sucking” either. Billings and Brisker were big losses.
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Yet the coaching and OL were MORE than good enough for Fields. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Wrong again.
I actually said that the OL was bad and the coaching was bad at that time too. I said that Fields made everything worse
Abother L for the HQ2 Washington Generals.
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13th in total defense and 12th in points allowed. Not dominant but not “sucking” either. Billings and Brisker were big losses.
Not enough depth is on your guy Poles
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Literally every time I said the OL was bad you blamed Fields. Probably without exception. Never once heard you blame Caleb for taking too many sacks. You expected Fields to perform miracles with a shit roster in his first full year as starter. I literally remember you complaining that a team purposefully stripped to the bones wasn’t in the playoff hunt. Now you’re saying Caleb is basically a rookie again and that it’s going to take Ben Johnson a while to fix things. Two completely different levels of expectation based on who we’re talking about. You are a hypocrite personified.
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Not enough depth is on your guy Poles
Had a lot of young players because they were in year 2 of a complete rebuild. Poles clearly hasn’t been perfect, but we had some young players and not a lot of teams can replace two of their best starters and not miss a beat. It was a weird year, the team was mentally defeated.
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Literally every time I said the OL was bad you blamed Fields. Probably without exception. Never once heard you blame Caleb for taking too many sacks. You expected Fields to perform miracles with a shit roster in his first full year as starter. I literally remember you complaining that a team purposefully stripped to the bones wasn’t in the playoff hunt. Now you’re saying Caleb is basically a rookie again and that it’s going to take Ben Johnson a while to fix things. Two completely different levels of expectation based on who we’re talking about. You are a hypocrite personified.
You are making shit up. I said the OL stunk and Fields was making them look even worse.
And they were in the playoff hunt, but Fields and Your Guy Eberlose took care of that.
Undortunately for the Bear, Fields sucking ass, Eberlose being incompetent (despite there allegedly being reasons ro bring him back- talk about all-time moronic takes), and the OL being awful could all happen simultaneously and independent of each other. This really shouldn't be that hard to comprehend, but we all know The COVID did something to you.
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Had a lot of young players because they were in year 2 of a complete rebuild. Poles clearly hasn’t been perfect, but we had some young players and not a lot of teams can replace two of their best starters and not miss a beat. It was a weird year, the team was mentally defeated.
They were mentally defeated.... Now that is a narrative that your guy Monty Sweat could agree with while standing on the sidelines watching the defense go down in flames...
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I was told that "tanking" and the setting of franchise records for consecutive losses doesn't impact the players.
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I was told that "tanking" and the setting of franchise records for consecutive losses doesn't impact the players.
He can't keep his narratives straight
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I was told that "tanking" and the setting of franchise records for consecutive losses doesn't impact the players.
I know you’re just a simpleton, but there’s a pretty big difference between “tanking” and just having the wheels come off. If you can’t see the difference between 2022 and 2024 I’m not sure I can make you see the light.
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if the Bears struggle this year, it won’t have very much to do with them having a 10 game losing streak last year
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if Ben Johnson is 3/4 the coach, we think he is the culture should be much improved
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“Tanking” is when an organization strips down the roster to improve their long-term prospects. That’s not what happened.
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The PAMan arguing that this thread wasn’t about “myth busting: No one would want this (the Bears) job!” When it literally says that in the thread title. PAMan logic at its finest.
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I’ll post separately so they are easier to read.
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Yet somehow they all found candidates willing to take those jobs.
“Those jobs.”
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Or the Panthers. Or the Jags. Or the Cowboys. Or the Browns. Or the Giants. Or the Raiders. Or the Cardinals.
Clearly this thread was “about the Jets.”
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They didn't have Sweaty Teddy and now Warren.
The Bear best hire since Ditka was Lovie Smith?
PAMan being wrong.
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That’s just Page 1, I’ll rest my case
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Cowherd34 conveniently omits the reference to Custard being right about this thread...
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And that to get Johnson, they had to neuter Poles by giving Johnson personnel control.
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Cowherd34 conveniently omits the reference to Custard being right about this thread...
Are you talking about the time I said “Custard was right?”
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And that to get Johnson, they had to neuter Poles by giving Johnson personnel control.
LOL JFC the narratives out of this guy. You’re not going to sign a rookie HC to one of the richest deals among HCs then tell him to “sit the fuck down while I draft.” It’s completely moronic to think the hottest HC coaching candidate in the last several cycles wouldn’t have significant input into his first draft.
What the NarrativeMan doesn’t seem to understand is that if Poles were “neuteredl” or “replaced” by Johnson, there would be zero incentive to extend Poles AFTER signing Johnson. Anyone with basic fucking common sense would understand this.
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If what the NarrativeMan says were true, they’d have brought in a Ben Johnson stooge to be “GM.” They would not have extended Poles.
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Having said that, of course Ben Johnson is going to have significant input into who comes here/is drafted. Would be moronic not to allow him to build the team in his vision.
You don’t think Eberflus was behind Kyler Gordon/Jaquan Brisker, the first two picks of the Eberflus era? “Poles was just an Eberflus stooge!”
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You don’t hire a Ben Johnson just to tell him “standby while I go draft.” that’s just completely fucking moronic
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Is Ben Johnson an empowered head coach? Of course! But it doesn’t mean the GM they just extended is his stooge. What it means is that it’s a true partnership..
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Here’s a perfect analogy; it would be like Donald Trump being successful in his January 6 coup, only to then install Joe Biden as his co-president.
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For the record, the narrative man has taken up the narrative that Tyson Bagent was extended with the idea that he could take Caleb Williams‘s place. The PAman is entering Alex Jones territory.
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The PAMan should start his own podcast, MisinfoWars.
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Are you talking about the time I said “Custard was right?”
No
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Here is where Robb would ask if you were drunk, again.
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Here is where Robb would ask if you were drunk, again.
The old standby. Resort to the memes when you know you’ve got nuthin’ else.
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The old standby. Resort to the memes when you know you’ve got nuthin’ else.
Well, you did your 5 Posts in a Row thing that you were known for when Robb was here.
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When Robb was here wasn't he Rob ?
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When Robb was here wasn't he Rob ?
I think the change happened before he went AWOL but I can’t remember why.
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Speaking of Robb, I usually check in on his Twitter when he occasionally gets brought up here. Looks like he’s still talking about COVID and tweeting grievances at businesses daily.
The pandemic broke the guy.
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I think the change happened before he went AWOL but I can’t remember why.
Did the dumpster diver begin to identify as Robb or did somebody else identify him as Robb ?
I'm thinking the latter.
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I think the change happened before he went AWOL but I can’t remember why.
He accused me of “spreading misinformation” when I misspelled Leila Rahemi’s name (still not sure if that’s right), so I renamed Rob Robb.
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Did the dumpster diver begin to identify as Robb or did somebody else identify him as Robb ?
I'm thinking the latter.
🙋♂️
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Speaking of Robb, I usually check in on his Twitter when he occasionally gets brought up here. Looks like he’s still talking about COVID and tweeting grievances at businesses daily.
The pandemic broke the guy.
I shouted him out a year or two ago. He said hey.
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Well, you did your 5 Posts in a Row thing that you were known for when Robb was here.
Yeah, I was actually considering mentioning how I Tempoed the thread.
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My apologies JudgeJudy. I thought you had done it, but the whiny douchebag from Itasca is claiming responsibility.
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Watch Better Call Saul and you’ll see what Rob turned out like. He’s Saul’s brother, lawyer and all…
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My apologies JudgeJudy. I thought you had done it, but the whiny douchebag from Itasca is claiming responsibility.
Someone woke up cranky this morning. What’s the matter? The walleye aren’t biting?
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Someone woke up cranky this morning. What’s the matter? The walleye aren’t biting?
Was it something I said ? Lol
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The Robb thing was a good one, Tempo
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I did remember you being the one that started the whole Robb thing but in my mind it was because you didn’t want to use his actual name for fear he’d file a lawsuit or something. Didn’t realize you changed it to clown him. That’s even better.
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A lawsuit? Over HQ? LOLOLOLOLOL
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What was he going to sue me for? Mocking him for dumpster diving?
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I did remember you being the one that started the whole Robb thing but in my mind it was because you didn’t want to use his actual name for fear he’d file a lawsuit or something. Didn’t realize you changed it to clown him. That’s even better.
Thanks. I thought it was a good one, since it’s caught on with others (PAMan specifically) seems they appreciated it too.
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I did remember you being the one that started the whole Robb thing but in my mind it was because you didn’t want to use his actual name for fear he’d file a lawsuit or something. Didn’t realize you changed it to clown him. That’s even better.
That was beyond hilarious, I remember that shit
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Yes, the Robb stuff was excellent. It’s too bad he left.
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What was he going to sue me for? Mocking him for dumpster diving?
He openly threatened me on more than one occasion with legal action pertaining to spreading misinformation. Didn’t think it was a stretch that it might have extended to you as well.
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The only problem Robb had with me was when I talked about how much I hated Tyler Jackson. And even then, it wasn’t much of an issue.
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Yes, the Robb stuff was excellent. It’s too bad he left.
Nah he was an annoying bitch like spark mandriller
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He openly threatened me on more than one occasion with legal action pertaining to spreading misinformation. Didn’t think it was a stretch that it might have extended to you as well.
To the best of my recollection I never got that threat. Sounds about like Robb, though.
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He openly threatened me on more than one occasion with legal action pertaining to spreading misinformation. Didn’t think it was a stretch that it might have extended to you as well.
He does have that law degree.