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General Category => The Deuce => Topic started by: Custard on October 13, 2024, 08:55:10 PM
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Let’s get this party started!
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https://www.piie.com/publications/working-papers/2024/international-economic-implications-second-trump-presidency
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I think Trump is so far enough ahead that they won’t be able to rig it this time. But they’ll try.
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Custard big game fishing heading into November.
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Buddhism teaches that we are not punished for our sins, but by our sins. The core sins are greed, hatred, and stupidity -- the three reasons people would vote for Trump.
If, Trump wins, enacts his agenda, and it's a dumpster fire, the people who voted for him might learn.
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I use cheap styluses for my smart phone. I'll grab two when I go somewhere. Today I had a blue one and a red one in my front pants pocket.
Just for fun, I sort of shuffled them around and pulled one out. Did this 6 times. Pulled out the red one every time.
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I use cheap styluses for my smart phone. I'll grab two when I go somewhere. Today I had a blue one and a red one in my front pants pocket.
Just for fun, I sort of shuffled them around and pulled one out. Did this 6 times. Pulled out the red one every time.
Welcome to Dark Maga
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I think Trump is so far enough ahead that they won’t be able to rig it this time. But they’ll try.
Every Trump supporter I know expects a landslide. Unfortunately there's a heap of phony, right-wing polls flooding the zone, with the intention to give the Trump campaign license to cry fraud where none actually happened.
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The gambling is heavily in favor of Trump, but that looks rigged too.
Trump is constantly complaining about rigging.
A line from Hamlet comes to mind.
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I see you guys are already coming up with ways to deny the upcoming election results
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I see you guys are already coming up with ways to deny the upcoming election results
this schtick is getting worse than golf and mn combined
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Trump leads by eliciting fear and inciting rage. That never ends well. Even if he wins, will he be able to enact his weird agenda?
*The illegal alien from South Africa in charge of the budget with plans to cut at least 2 trillion.
*The cognitively impaired antivaxxer in charge of healthcare.
*Trump going around Congress to replace the income and payroll taxes with Tariffs.
Not to mention Putin, North Korea, Ukraine and NATO.
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I see you guys are already coming up with ways to deny the upcoming election results
Living in the right-wing echo chamber untethered from reality.
The only advantage the GOP has right now is the race for control of the U.S. Senate. The battles for the White House and House look like toss-ups.
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most of the non partisan political analysts at my job say its too close to call
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most of the non partisan political analysts at my job say its too close to call
speaking of calls, are they looking for another stock about to double to write call options on?
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speaking of calls, are they looking for another stock about to double to write call options on?
lol not that I know of, macro guy says overall trend will be down for a bit
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lol not that I know of, macro guy says overall trend will be down for a bit
glad to hear the trend of ridiculously stupid bets might be receding
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most of the non partisan political analysts at my job say its too close to call
Non-partisan political analyst? Who the hell would be a non-partisan political analyst?
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Which cities will the democrats burn first when Trump wins?
I stocked up on essentials yesterday. Ammo this weekend.
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Which cities will the democrats burn first when Trump wins?
I stocked up on essentials yesterday. Ammo this weekend.
How good is your shot? Can you pick off my drones?
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Non-partisan political analyst? Who the hell would be a non-partisan political analyst?
Youre joking right
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Youre joking right
I don’t know too many randos who are non-partisan but also “experts.” Typically someone that cares enough to be an expert has an opinion or a preference. Now if you’re talking actual news sources, some of them are able to give non-partisan analysis. As far as individual people, which is what it sounds like you’re talking about; well, I don’t know a single person I can think of that is both an expert and non-partisan. Objective? Sure. Non-partisan. I would count anyone with a preference partisan. Maybe your definition is slightly different.
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Non-partisan political analyst? Who the hell would be a non-partisan political analyst?
Non-partisan Political analyst? Is that another word for "asshole"?
I used to think that "Politics" was derived from the word "Policy". These days it seems it's the exact opposite.
These douchebags want to win so badly they don't even know what they actually would do if they win, all they are trying to do is figure out how to win. Dunno, maybe Trump's policy actually is "Line up a firing squad for Liz Cheney".
And it's infested the population. It's like we have 150 million voters who think this is a football game, then they either win or lose, go back to their lives, and weird shit happens and they can't connect that the result of that football game on Nov 5 had something to do with why their daughter just bled out in a parking lot or their restaurant can't hire a dishwasher.
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She just got a lot of votes for Trump when she opened her mouth…
https://x.com/hodgetwins/status/1852538666700374047?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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What the fuck is wrong with these people?! Holy fuck this is cringe…
https://x.com/autismcapital/status/1852562566603821511?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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She just got a lot of votes for Trump when she opened her mouth…
https://x.com/hodgetwins/status/1852538666700374047?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
People at that site think the VP is in charge?
Let's hope so if Trump-Vance win.
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What the fuck is wrong with these people?! Holy fuck this is cringe…
https://x.com/autismcapital/status/1852562566603821511?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
55 year old JLo over 32 year old Toni Lahren 8 days a week.
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What the fuck is wrong with these people?! Holy fuck this is cringe…
https://x.com/autismcapital/status/1852562566603821511?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
That was a very impressive ChatGPT deepfake of the actual speech
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People at that site think the VP is in charge?
Let's hope so if Trump-Vance win.
Careful what you ask for
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55 year old JLo over 32 year old Toni Lahren 8 days a week.
Ewww
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Ewww
JLo not Teutonic enough for ya?
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JLo not Teutonic enough for ya?
Politics, Diddy, and poor poor Ben.
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Yeah, let’s elect this 🤡 as president…
https://x.com/greg_price11/status/1853145243761221655?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Yeah, let’s elect this as president…
https://x.com/greg_price11/status/1853145243761221655?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Let’s vote for a fascist wanna be tyrant who tried to overturn an election and overthrow the American government instead.
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Let’s vote for a fascist wanna be tyrant who tried to overturn an election and overthrow the American government instead.
Hyperbole.
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Hyperbole.
You'll wind up rescinding that if he wins.
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Yeah
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Hyperbole.
Factually not.
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The dude literally tried to overturn a democratic election. The first non-peaceful transition of power in U.S. history.
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Yeah, let’s elect this 🤡 as president…
https://x.com/greg_price11/status/1853145243761221655?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
I haven't filled out my ballot but I think it's gotta be no. We don't have the prison space to handle it, and I don't believe it will be a deterrent. People who think it would be a deterrent are honest people who can't figure out why someone does this - even just for the lulz and not really conceptualizing jail. People for whom jail would be a disaster wouldn't be doing things that would put them in jail anyway - they just think "I would never do that thing I'd never do anyway because jail would suck, so surely people that have completely different existences would think like me"
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https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/article_5e4ce212-987c-11ef-9793-27ef4cbcf8eb.html
Illinois has to actually vote on whether or not there should be penalties for fucking with election workers?
The property tax question is pretty wild - I love this quote...
"Besides those three issues, voters need to remember ‘millionaires’ are not necessarily people in mansions. They often are mom-and-pop stores: 23,740 small businesses could be hit with a 61% hike in their marginal state income tax rate,” Cosso wrote.
"Should the Illinois Constitution be amended to create an additional 3% tax on income greater than $1,000,000 for the purpose of dedicating funds raised to property tax relief?"
This is some serious bullshit. I am a millionaire, but my *annual compensation* isn't in the millions. Unless you make over a million a year, this impacts you in no way - in fact you might have your property taxes lowered. Once a Mom and Pop store is profiting over a million a year, it's not a Mom and Pop anymore, and the measure is personal income tax and if Mom and Pop are pulling in over a million in profits, you can just make it not a pass through entity and pay the corporate rate, leave the money in the company.
My cousin - definitely not a millionaire let alone making a million a year - voted against it - "Why punish success!" I said "indeed, let's punish failure".
It's not even that progressive a measure, because the money collected would be used to lower property taxes - so only people with enough money to own property would benefit.
I guess these are all non-binding referendums anyway so it's just a circle jerk.
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I am sure the Illinois government will handle and appropriate the money correctly and it definitely won’t make successful people keep fleeing the state.
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I am sure the Illinois government will handle and appropriate the money correctly and it definitely won’t make successful people keep fleeing the state.
Well, it's a non binding referendum anyway, there is no actual measure. If they take the money and drop the property tax rate in general, some people with incomes in the low range of the surcharge might even save money. Hard to say how you could even structure it. Maybe you get a deduction on your state income tax of your state property tax that phases out at higher income levels.
As for successful people fleeing the state.... if you look at the notable examples - Musk, Bezos - they left states *after* they made their fortune to move to states where it's harder to make a fortune than the state they were from. Bezos basically retired - what the hell does Washington need from him if he's retired? The company is still HQ'd in Seattle, and that isn't changing.
People trying to build success need to be in places with the infrastructure and people to build success.
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https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/article_5e4ce212-987c-11ef-9793-27ef4cbcf8eb.html
It's not even that progressive a measure, because the money collected would be used to lower property taxes....
Bullshit. No one fucking trusts that will happen except the idiot progressives who think Brandon Johnson is doing a good job. No one trusts Illinois politicians which is why Pritzker's plan to raise state taxes on everyone but him (since you know he has trusts and offshore stuff) failed miserably. But let's drive more people making money out of Illinois.
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Well, it's a non binding referendum anyway, there is no actual measure. If they take the money and drop the property tax rate in general, some people with incomes in the low range of the surcharge might even save money. Hard to say how you could even structure it. Maybe you get a deduction on your state income tax of your state property tax that phases out at higher income levels.
As for successful people fleeing the state.... if you look at the notable examples - Musk, Bezos - they left states *after* they made their fortune to move to states where it's harder to make a fortune than the state they were from. Bezos basically retired - what the hell does Washington need from him if he's retired? The company is still HQ'd in Seattle, and that isn't changing.
People trying to build success need to be in places with the infrastructure and people to build success.
Ken Griffin and all his minions who moved to Florida point at you and laugh like Nelson Muntz.
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Bullshit. No one fucking trusts that will happen except the idiot progressives who think Brandon Johnson is doing a good job. No one trusts Illinois politicians which is why Pritzker's plan to raise state taxes on everyone but him (since you know he has trusts and offshore stuff) failed miserably. But let's drive more people making money out of Illinois.
Once again you misunderstood that measure but we've been through that before
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Ken Griffin and all his minions who moved to Florida point at you and laugh like Nelson Muntz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwHm_-k1J_c
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Ken Griffin and all his minions who moved to Florida point at you and laugh like Nelson Muntz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqQfHiy-lFM&t=492s
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Once again you misunderstood that measure but we've been through that before
I fucking get the measure. I get that it is also completely meaningless. I also know that if ever implemented, Smirkin' Don Harmon and Toilets Pritzker will fuck taxpayers over. No one is fooled by their bullshit, which is why they lost the tax increase referendum bid.
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Murph should hold his breath until Ken Griffin and Rauner move back to Illinois....
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Ralph Nader dropping truth bombs at 90 years old.
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In honor of Election Day tomorrow, y'all go out and suck a dick. Who knows, it might help get you elected one day for President! Good luck!
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Ralph Nader dropping truth bombs at 90 years old.
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This self-important SOB has been living in a weird, twisted la la land for years now. He's really never gotten over 2000. Sore loser and a bitter angry man. Nothin' worse.
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This self-important SOB has been living in a weird, twisted la la land for years now. He's really never gotten over 2000. Sore loser and a bitter angry man. Nothin' worse.
No shit.
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And yet he’s 100% spot on with this tweet. Tough for lefties to hear I know, but accurate. The fact it’s even close is a giant billowing red flag.
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And yet he’s 100% spot on with this tweet. Tough for lefties to hear I know, but accurate. The fact it’s even close is a giant billowing red flag.
Ralph and Custard both bloviating from the peanut gallery.
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Ralph and Custard both bloviating from the peanut gallery.
Has it not occurred to you that you can’t do better than a neck and neck race with one of the supposedly worst candidates of all time? Like seriously what an indictment on the democratic party.
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Has it not occurred to you that you can’t do better than a neck and neck race with one of the supposedly worst candidates of all time? Like seriously what an indictment on the democratic party.
You mean the guy the GOP has put at the top of its ticket three times in a row? Don't delude yourself. This race was going to be close no matter who the Democrats picked to replace Biden.
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Has it not occurred to you that you can’t do better than a neck and neck race with one of the supposedly worst candidates of all time? Like seriously what an indictment on the democratic party.
I think that’s an indictment of the voters
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I ask people why they support Trump. The top two answers are (1). He will put America first. (2). We need a successful businessman to run the country.
Beyond that, they will bring up inflation, especially how much cheaper gas and food were. Some mention immigration, even though it has no direct effect on them..
Nobody mentions Bernie anymore. Some do think he beat Hillary if not for the super delegates.
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Election shenanigans at my polling place!
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Lady claiming her address is incorrect... Hmmmm
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I just went to the fire station and voted. No shenanigans. However I’m not convinced the QR code nonsense isn’t identifying how individuals are voting. Seems suspicious.
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More shenanigans: "electrician" buzzing to get into the school where voting is happening. Schools are closed today. Guy sounded Russian when I told him the school was closed. Hmmmm.
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I didn't have to show an ID to vote!
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I didn't have to show an ID to vote!
I did. As I should be required to do.
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I did not have to show an ID, either.
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Everybody here knows me. Why would I show an ID?
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Everybody here knows me. Why would I show an ID?
Yeah, the gal who verified my identity I've known for 30 years. Small town.
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I did. As I should be required to do.
Prison IDs don't count
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Prison IDs don't count
You’re one of the ones your liberals say couldn’t afford an ID anyways…
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Does anyone else find it bizarre that the people who want to take away your guns and censor your speech and who celebrated lockdowns and wanted to put you into concentration camps for not taking an experimental "vaccine" run around calling everyone else "fascists??"
IN TRUMP/VANCE/ELON/RFK WE TRUST
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You’re one of the ones your liberals say couldn’t afford an ID anyways…
Your tears of defeat are so tasty
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I voted
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Good one murph!
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You mean the guy the GOP has put at the top of its ticket three times in a row? Don't delude yourself. This race was going to be close no matter who the Democrats picked to replace Biden.
FDR or Lincoln could have come down from heaven, this was going to be close.
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I voted
Hahahahaha
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Does anyone else find it bizarre that the people who want to take away your guns and censor your speech and who celebrated lockdowns and wanted to put you into concentration camps for not taking an experimental "vaccine" run around calling everyone else "fascists??"
IN TRUMP/VANCE/ELON/RFK WE TRUST
+1
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Apparently Florida was a "concentration camp" for the unvaxxed?
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Does anyone else find it bizarre that the people who want to take away your guns and censor your speech and who celebrated lockdowns and wanted to put you into concentration camps for not taking an experimental "vaccine" run around calling everyone else "fascists??"
IN TRUMP/VANCE/ELON/RFK WE TRUST
They are EATING the mail-in ballots for Trump in Pennsylvania.
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It’s funny how Elon and RFK Jr became part of the ticket…
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And Mark Cuban
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Sure is quiet in here. Let’s see what happens at 3 am in swing states.
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*crickets*
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Definitely a lot of votes to be counted, but I think Trump will be reelected. There is still a real path in WI/PA/MI, but it's getting narrower and narrower...
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As I said at the start, no one likes California Progressives.
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There will be hundreds of thousands of random votes entered overnight. You’ll be fine.
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There will be hundreds of thousands of random votes entered overnight. You’ll be fine.
I'm counting on it!
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We live in a stupid country.
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As I said at the start, no one likes California Progressives.
Ro Khanna was the nominee?
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We live in a stupid country.
LOL. So much for money buying elections (since she outraised and outspent him) and progressive policies such as open borders and tax dollars being used for prisoner sex gender reassignment surgeries...
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Get ready for President JD Vance, no way this fat slob lives 4 more years.
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LOL. So much for money buying elections (since she outraised and outspent him) and progressive policies such as open borders and tax dollars being used for prisoner sex gender reassignment surgeries...
Lol which candidate campaigned on “open borders and prisoner sex gender reassignment surgery?”
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Ro Khanna was the nominee?
No, the stupid California Progressive who was a terrible candidate in 2020 and 2024. You saw the ads Trump ran on football games and even admitted they killed her.
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I honestly didn’t see any political ads. Guess I was lucky that way.
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Lol which candidate campaigned on “open borders and prisoner sex gender reassignment surgery?”
You saw the damned ads that she "starred" in for Trump.
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Calling Harris a progressive is a stretch.
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She doesn’t even back universal health care. That’s a non-negotiable of the progressive platform.
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I honestly didn’t see any political ads. Guess I was lucky that way.
Yes you did. You saw the one where she 'debated" herself and admitted it was effective. I saw the text exchange between us from August.
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Calling Harris a progressive is a stretch.
LOL. You didn't pay attention in 2020
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Yes you did. You saw the one where she 'debated" herself and admitted it was effective. I saw the text exchange between us from August.
That one I did see. Once. Somehow I largely escaped the political ads.
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Of all people, Joe Scarborough nails it.
https://x.com/ianonpatriot/status/1853858476490887399?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Ralph Nader dropping truth bombs at 90 years old.
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Ralph is right, we lost not because of the differences in the GOP and the Dems, but because the status quo sucks.
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That one I did see. Once. Somehow I largely escaped the political ads.
There is zero way unless you are not actually watching football.
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There is zero way unless you are not actually watching football.
Guess I’m not paying attention to the commercials. And actually, haven’t watched as much football as you’d probably think.
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Guess I’m not paying attention to the commercials. And actually, haven’t watched as much football as you’d probably think.
Given your takes, I now believe it!
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its almost like installing a candidate rather than electing one is a pretty bad idea
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Orange Man can beat women with the best of 'em.
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I would like to point out that when I said the democrats should be trying to appeal to independents like me I was mocked here. Fucking losers, enjoy the next four years!
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Move to Canada, you drama queen.
On second thought, there’s zero percent chance they’d take you.
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Here comes the onslaught of dumbfuck progressives blaming the voters for their own failures. 2016 all over again. Hey here’s a novel idea, don’t put out a shitty product and maybe, just maybe, people will buy it.
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I would like to point out that when I said the democrats should be trying to appeal to independents like me I was mocked here. Fucking losers, enjoy the next four years!
What could Kamala Harris have done to secure your vote?
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biden won illinois by over a milion voted..kamala by 400,000 . cook county went from a 74% win to 39%
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This is fucking gold
If the election outcome is as I expected, it should cause the large minority of the country who supported @KamalaHarris and predicted her victory to begin to question their sources of truth.
Half the country has believed that @X is filled with mis- and disinformation, and that they could only therefore rely on The NY Times, MSNBC, CNN and other mainstream media for their news. And they did.
If, however, you have been active on @X for the last year, you have known the truth days, weeks and often months before the facts appear in the MSM.
The MSM excerpted, clipped and cut to defame @realDonaldTrump while claiming that @JoeBiden was fit as a fiddle. Then when Biden’s polls collapsed, @KamalaHarris was anointed the candidate and her hagiography was written with glowing acclaim from the press. But this could not hold as she ducked the media and held fast to the teleprompter.
Citizen journalists with their phone cameras in hand captured the real Kamala forcing her to defend her record and her plans in more media appearances. It did not go well and the public demanded to learn more so @KamalaHarris had to risk more unscripted media.
The doom loop was underway with perhaps 60 Minutes as one of the more dramatic examples, even after CBS tried to save her, most glaringly by excerpting one answer to replace a word salad response to another. But the citizen journalists on @X quickly caught and outed this fraud and demanded a transcript.
As many who supported Kamala began to realize that they have been misled, they became open to Trump as an alternative, but they didn’t want to rely on the media to understand him because they did not want to be misled again.
They wanted to hear the candidate in his own words and that is where @lexfridman and @joeroganhq long form podcasts came to the rescue. When Kamala was offered the same opportunities to explain herself, she rejected them. And the voting public could only draw a negative inference.
When the story of this election is written, I expect it will be as much about how half of America woke up to the reality that they have been manipulated by the media. This should lead to an abandonment by many of the MSM as their primary source of information. It will push more people to @X, to podcasts and other empirical sources, and it will lead to a more informed public.
The other outcome I hope happens is the implosion of the Democratic Party. The Party lied to the American people about the cognitive health and fitness of the president. It prevented, threatened, litigated and otherwise eliminated the ability of other candidates for the primary to compete, to get on ballots, and to even participate in a debate. The Party and the administration used lawfare in an attempt to imprison, bankrupt or otherwise kill off Trump as a candidate. These acts are collectively grave threats to our democracy. With the highest irony in order to hide these acts, the Party accused the opposition candidate of being the grave threat to democracy.
The Democratic Party proved itself to be fundamentally undemocratic. It needs a complete reboot. The leadership should be thrown out and those responsible should apologize to the American people.
Honest Abe said it best:
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
—Bill Ackman
https://x.com/billackman/status/1854019674385547454?s=46
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What could Kamala Harris have done to secure your vote?
Swing and a miss
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What a great way to wake up today in America…
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This is fucking gold
—Bill Ackman
https://x.com/billackman/status/1854019674385547454?s=46
Too long when America Does Not Like California Liberals suffices.
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Swing and a miss
What do you mean?
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What a great way to wake up today in America…
Someone loves the smell of fascism in the morning.
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Again, custard, you said Democrats should’ve appealed to people like you. What could Kamala have done to win your vote?
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Too long when America Does Not Like California Liberals suffices.
I’d argue that and “black women in power” might be interchangeable.
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I would like to point out that when I said the democrats should be trying to appeal to independents like me I was mocked here. Fucking losers, enjoy the next four years!
Quit playing games. You are not an independent by any stretch of the imagination.
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Again, custard, you said Democrats should’ve appealed to people like you. What could Kamala have done to win your vote?
Kamala never should have been the candidate in the first place. They shouldn’t have tried to cover up Joe’s cognitive state and installed an unpopular VP as the presidential candidate. And then went on to run a cowardly campaign. It was a failure at all levels. It was so bad that they got their asses kicked by “basically Hitler/fascist/felon/etc” who has no business being anywhere near the Oval Office. And, like last time, the left will blame everyone but themselves for their shortcomings.
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If Ronald Reagan were here today; he would have endorsed Harris.
Old models of left, center, and right no longer work.
Prior to 1992, both major Parties were globalists. Ross Perot represented an emerging nationalist movement.
With Trump, the far right Bircher nationalists have taken over the Republican Party.
The current Democrats are moderate, centrist Republicans. There is no left.
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I’d argue that and “black women in power” might be interchangeable.
LOL. Never change Tempo. Never change. She sucked as a candidate. ThePAMan at the door told you that from the start
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If Ronald Reagan were here today; he would have endorsed Harris.
Old models of left, center, and right no longer work.
Prior to 1992, both major Parties were globalists. Ross Perot represented an emerging nationalist movement.
With Trump, the far right Bircher nationalists have taken over the Republican Party.
The current Democrats are moderate, centrist Republicans. There is no left.
LOL.
The Dems need to kick out the fucking terrorist supporting, soft on crime, defund the police, open borders, what are your pronouns, let biological men play women sports, bullshit progressives.
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I can't wait to see which nursing homes both parties will raid to pick their next candidates in 2028.
This country fucking sucks.
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LOL.
The Dems need to kick out the fucking terrorist supporting, soft on crime, defund the police, open borders, what are your pronouns, let biological men play women sports, bullshit progressives.
I don't think those issues were particularly crucial for the so-called persuadable voters. That stuff was primarily red meat to keep the base energized.
I think the undecided voters that broke for Trump were more upset about inflation and wanted to see prices return to 2019 levels. They took out their frustrations on the incumbent party; something we've seen in other elections.
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Coworker came in this morning crying (like literally out loud balling his eyes out) over the election 😂 said he drove three hours to go to a democrat rally/support group only to find nobody there, they had all went home after the loss, and he was all alone. 😂 what the fuck?!
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This is fucking gold
—Bill Ackman
https://x.com/billackman/status/1854019674385547454?s=46
god damn bill, they're already dead
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If Ronald Reagan were here today; he would have endorsed Harris.
Old models of left, center, and right no longer work.
Prior to 1992, both major Parties were globalists. Ross Perot represented an emerging nationalist movement.
With Trump, the far right Bircher nationalists have taken over the Republican Party.
The current Democrats are moderate, centrist Republicans. There is no left.
Holy fucking shit, you drinking early today gramps?
This is one big pile of horse shit if I've ever seen one
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I don't think those issues were particularly crucial for the so-called persuadable voters. That stuff was primarily red meat to keep the base energized.
I think the undecided voters that broke for Trump were more upset about inflation and wanted to see prices return to 2019 levels. They took out their frustrations on the incumbent party; something we've seen in other elections.
when was the last time the incumbent party lost with a 4% unemployment rate
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when was the last time the incumbent party lost with a 4% unemployment rate
1968? UE was 3.6%
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From Freddie’s overnight email:
This sucks, for the record. I find it strange that people are unable to parse the idea that I and people like me are so critical of the Democrats in large part because they have proven themselves incapable of producing a durable winning coalition. You know my theories on American politics, and core to that is a set of claims about why Democrats lose. Maybe they’re wrong! Maybe so. But my endless frustration with the professional triangulators is motivated not just by my profound disagreements over policy and values but also because I think we need a good opposition party to fight the Republicans and we don’t have one.
I’ll have a piece in another publication tomorrow afternoon or Thursday morning, and I’ll have my analysis there. But let me say this. As of this moment, Harris is projected to lose the popular vote and all seven swing states. I’m hoping that gets better over time, even if it’s just for optics. But that looks like the reality. And here is what I have to say.
You can’t blame losing the popular vote and all seven swing states on Jill Stein.
You can’t blame losing the popular vote and all seven swing states on Putin and the Russians.
You can’t blame losing the popular vote and all seven swing states on Bernie Sanders and his supporters.
You can’t blame losing the popular vote and all seven swing states on Joe Rogan.
You can’t blame losing the popular vote and all seven swing states on Glenn Greenwald and The Young Turks.
You can’t blame losing the popular vote and all seven swing states on the decision to run with Tim Walz.
You can’t blame losing the popular vote and all seven swing states on the New York Times and its occasional Democrat-skeptical opinion pieces.
You can’t blame losing the popular vote and all seven swing states on Joe Biden for getting out of the race too late.
You can’t pull all the usual Democrat tricks. You have to actually figure out what’s wrong with your party, root and branch. Because you called the guy a fascist, again, and he walked right through that insult to the Oval Office, again. And the eternal question presents itself: what are you going to do about it?
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1968? UE was 3.6%
what happened to the incumbent?
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Kamala never should have been the candidate in the first place. They shouldn’t have tried to cover up Joe’s cognitive state and installed an unpopular VP as the presidential candidate. And then went on to run a cowardly campaign. It was a failure at all levels. It was so bad that they got their asses kicked by “basically Hitler/fascist/felon/etc” who has no business being anywhere near the Oval Office. And, like last time, the left will blame everyone but themselves for their shortcomings.
So the answer is: “Nothing. There’s nothing she could have done to win my vote.” It’s pretty obvious “independent.”
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(https://i.postimg.cc/Y0WhGQ4N/IMG-9472.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CnwF9Bsd)
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LOL.
The Dems need to kick out the fucking terrorist supporting, soft on crime, defund the police, open borders, what are your pronouns, let biological men play women sports, bullshit progressives.
You are the most right-wing Republican sounding Democrat I’ve ever encountered.
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I don't think those issues were particularly crucial for the so-called persuadable voters. That stuff was primarily red meat to keep the base energized.
I think the undecided voters that broke for Trump were more upset about inflation and wanted to see prices return to 2019 levels. They took out their frustrations on the incumbent party; something we've seen in other elections.
What was Trump's biggest ad buy? The Harris Hearts Taxpayers Paying for Prisoner Sex Reassignment Surgeries ads that ran on loops during football games from the end of August through last weekend.
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You are the most right-wing Republican sounding Democrat I’ve ever encountered.
Bullshit. You are part of the reason Trump won, again. So take your loser progressive bullshit to the Green Party or, better yet, Gaza or Venezuela.
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I have friends who primarily rely on Social Security that voted for Trump. Two of them are disabled.
Their stated reason is inflation.
They are also mad that Biden and Harris gave money to immigrants or sent it to other countries.
The "plandemic" was an issue too. They still think it was a hoax to get Trump.
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Holy fucking shit, you drinking early today gramps?
This is one big pile of horse shit if I've ever seen one
He’s exactly right.
And Ronald Reagan wouldn’t make it to Super Tuesday in today’s Republican Party.
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I have friends who primarily rely on Social Security that voted for Trump. Two of them are disabled.
Their stated reason is inflation.
They are also mad that Biden and Harris gave money to immigrants or sent it to other countries.
The "plandemic" was an issue too. They still think it was a hoax to get Trump.
I agree. I think inflation was a huge reason Harris lost.
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Bullshit. You are part of the reason Trump won, again. So take your loser progressive bullshit to the Green Party or, better yet, Gaza or Venezuela.
Nah, inflation and endless war.
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What was Trump's biggest ad buy? The Harris Hearts Taxpayers Paying for Prisoner Sex Reassignment Surgeries ads that ran on loops during football games from the end of August through last weekend.
Is it even true? We know the truth barely matters anymore.
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So the answer is: “Nothing. There’s nothing she could have done to win my vote.” It’s pretty obvious “independent.”
It wasn’t talking about whether Harris could get my vote, it was about whether the democrats could get my vote. Once they installed Harris I was indeed out. That’s not the party that’s saving democracy, sorry.
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Nah, inflation and endless war.
Too bad over 60% yesterday said in exit polls that America's support of Israel was either just right or not enough versus 30% percent who said it was "too much." Yeah, endless war was the reason when Biden pulling out of Afghanistan was a highlight for Trump ads. Man, you are as bad at this as at analyzing quarterbacks and head coaches.
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god damn bill, they're already dead
Bill Ackmann lost money shorting a ponzi scheme. Whatever on that turd.
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when was the last time the incumbent party lost with a 4% unemployment rate
Meh. It's a recession if your neighbor lost his job, it's a depression if you lost your job.
Unemployment is only a metric if it's very high.
It was egg prices. Period.
Well, that and butter. That shit's fucking expensive.
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I’m not saying Israel isn’t a concern for some voters, but it’s not top 3 or 4 I’m pretty certain. Neither party is that different on Israel.
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Meh. It's a recession if your neighbor lost his job, it's a depression if you lost your job.
Unemployment is only a metric if it's very high.
It was egg prices. Period.
Well, that and butter. That shit's fucking expensive.
I bought both this morning. Can confirm.
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what happened to the incumbent?
The VP ran
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It wasn’t talking about whether Harris could get my vote, it was about whether the democrats could get my vote. Once they installed Harris I was indeed out. That’s not the party that’s saving democracy, sorry.
What Democrat would you have voted for? RFK Jr?
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It wasn’t talking about whether Harris could get my vote, it was about whether the democrats could get my vote. Once they installed Harris I was indeed out. That’s not the party that’s saving democracy, sorry.
What exactly were they supposed to do at that point?
Biden should not have run. But he's the President, there's nobody "above the President" to order him to stand down.
When he drops out - what exactly is your proposal? The party run a lot of local straw polls in every state to try to figure out who the democratic voters writ large wanted?
What was supposed to happen, my assertion from day one, Biden is not supposed to run. That's on him. An open primary, Harris would get smoked. She's a LOT more polished than she was four years ago, but if Trump smoked her, sure as hell Shapiro, Newsom, Pritzker, whomever smokes her. And a polished white guy governor might have just won last night.
It would have been Newsom. Whatever you guys might say about him - women make up a lot of the electorate and he's a good looking smooth talking guy. Will always remember my Grandma voting for Clinton over Bush I - "he's such a good looking guy". That's even dumber than expensive eggs, but it's true.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/Y0WhGQ4N/IMG-9472.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CnwF9Bsd)
Ima share this again and let it sit there.
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Too bad over 60% yesterday said in exit polls that America's support of Israel was either just right or not enough versus 30% percent who said it was "too much." Yeah, endless war was the reason when Biden pulling out of Afghanistan was a highlight for Trump ads. Man, you are as bad at this as at analyzing quarterbacks and head coaches.
nobody cares about the war in Ukraine or Israel. Well, not nobody, but if you aren't Ukrainian or Jewish it certainly isn't going to make your vote. We aren't sending troops. Sure, there's money being sent, but if eggs were cheaper nobody would care. We've been sending money to other countries forever.
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https://youtu.be/IGo0zrcG2-g
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I bought both this morning. Can confirm.
I do not know where the fuck you guys shop. I can generally find deals on both at Costco, Jewel, or Tony's. The one thing I cannot find good deals on is soda. You can get a 30-pack of Natty Light cheaper than a case of soda.
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nobody cares about the war in Ukraine or Israel. Well, not nobody, but if you aren't Ukrainian or Jewish it certainly isn't going to make your vote. We aren't sending troops. Sure, there's money being sent, but if eggs were cheaper nobody would care. We've been sending money to other countries forever.
Agreed. Those are not the hot button issues for most voters. And again, neither party differs much on Israel. Dems say to Israel/Netanyahu: “Please behave, Bibi! Stop being naughty!” GOP: “Do whatever the hell you want, go get ‘em!” But at the end of the day, both send money and weapons.
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I do not know where the fuck you guys shop. I can generally find deals on both at Costco, Jewel, or Tony's. The one thing I cannot find good deals on is soda. You can get a 30-pack of Natty Light cheaper than a case of soda.
My 9 year old loves Natty Light. Thanks for the tip.
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Eggs were $4.50-$6 for general brands today. And that’s at Woodman’s which is 30-40% cheaper than Jewel.
Butter was on sale. 4 sticks for like $3.49 Other brands were more. Even the generic food club brand was like $4.99.
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I do not know where the fuck you guys shop. I can generally find deals on both at Costco, Jewel, or Tony's. The one thing I cannot find good deals on is soda. You can get a 30-pack of Natty Light cheaper than a case of soda.
You pay for the soda with your health. I don't drink the shit. There's a tap over there, water is very cheap.
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nobody cares about the war in Ukraine or Israel. Well, not nobody, but if you aren't Ukrainian or Jewish it certainly isn't going to make your vote. We aren't sending troops. Sure, there's money being sent, but if eggs were cheaper nobody would care. We've been sending money to other countries forever.
I agree except Tempo just said it was a reason. And we were told by the Progressives, like Tempo, that she was going to lose MI because of Gaza and not letting terrorist supporters speak at the DNC. Well she lost every swing state and that was not the reason.
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Coffee creamer is $4-$6 unless you buy the cheap brand which I do. It’s not bad. $2.99
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You pay for the soda with your health. I don't drink the shit. There's a tap over there, water is very cheap.
I got a notice 2 weeks ago that the city MIGHT get around to replacing the lead water lines to my house by 2027.
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Hazelnut. If I want the Baileys Irish Creme that’s gonna be $4.50.
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My 9 year old loves Natty Light. Thanks for the tip.
May want to upgrade to PBR.
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I agree except Tempo just said it was a reason. And we were told by the Progressives, like Tempo, that she was going to lose MI because of Gaza and not letting terrorist supporters speak at the DNC. Well she lost every swing state and that was not the reason.
Israel and Ukraine didn’t make a big dent in this election.
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Eggs were $4.50-$6 for general brands today. And that’s at Woodman’s which is 30-40% cheaper than Jewel.
Butter was on sale. 4 sticks for like $3.49 Other brands were more. Even the generic food club brand was like $4.99.
half sized sticks?
I don't even want to say how much I pay for butter, it's freaking crazy. Yeah, I support Clover Foods, which is a very good local producer who does a lot for our community and doesn't CAFO their cows. and I'm sticking with them. But a pound of Clover Butter was $5.99, $4.99 on sale before COVID, and it's like $9.99 now. OK I said how much I pay for butter. And we use a lot of butter. sue me. We rarely eat out so I have money to buy good ingredients. Because the real crime is the cost of eating out.
I mean - right there is what was strategically wrong but perhaps impossible. I very much preferred Harris to Trump. But I can joke and sort of complain about the prices like anyone else, I shop and see the prices and do double takes too. That was the ONLY issue. I think the Democrats would do better with that issue longer term, mostly because of this tariff bullshit, but most voters just look at who was running the show during the price increases, and they don't differentiate "prices increased 2 years ago" from "the price is higher today than 4 years ago" even when inflation goes down.
Prices will not go down. Trump can't make them go down. Producers have input costs and they have to make profit.
In 2026, it's entirely possible the GOP gets slaughtered even if prices stay exactly the same. That would be zero percent inflation but when they get up there and say "inflation is at zero" some opponent can say "the price of eggs is out of control on Donald Trump's watch!" and people will buy that.
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I got a notice 2 weeks ago that the city MIGHT get around to replacing the lead water lines to my house by 2027.
I understand it might be hard to sell a home that you purchased in an area with lead pipes. My sympathies. Bottled water is not more expensive than soda
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Israel and Ukraine didn’t make a big dent in this election.
No, they didn't. So not kowtowing to a bunch of college kids doing cosplay and terrorism supporters was not a mistake. Hopefully Trump does what he said he will do and deport their asses.
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Yeah, I support Clover Foods, which is a very good local producer who does a lot for our community and doesn't CAFO their cows. and I'm sticking with them.
A real man of the people....
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I’m trying to be your ally here but this is a strange comment coming from someone who very recently was an illionaire with a B.
(https://i.postimg.cc/sgbgNnNy/IMG-9475.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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No, they didn't. So not kowtowing to a bunch of college kids doing cosplay and terrorism supporters was not a mistake. Hopefully Trump does what he said he will do and deport their asses.
For what? Disagreeing with policy?
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I understand it might be hard to sell a home that you purchased in an area with lead pipes. My sympathies. Bottled water is not more expensive than soda
It actually would not be hard to sell my house at all. The problem is the increased costs in buying a new place to live following the spike in interest rates and housing thanks to the Commie Chinese letting The COVID lead from the Wuhan Lab.
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Yeah, but who wants to live in Berwyn?
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For what? Disagreeing with policy?
For supporting terrorism....
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Yeah, but who wants to live in Berwyn?
The gays apparently do. Big community over by there.
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Bill Ackmann lost money shorting a ponzi scheme. Whatever on that turd.
Bill's just piling on, the only thing he's good at really
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For supporting terrorism....
Protesting dead women and children isn’t “supporting terrorism.” That is a massive distortion on your part. Colossal .
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Prices will not go down. Trump can't make them go down. Producers have input costs and they have to make profit.
In 2026, it's entirely possible the GOP gets slaughtered even if prices stay exactly the same. That would be zero percent inflation but when they get up there and say "inflation is at zero" some opponent can say "the price of eggs is out of control on Donald Trump's watch!" and people will buy that.
a recession + more liberal energy policy might help
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Protesting dead women and children isn’t “supporting terrorism.” That is a massive distortion on your part. Colossal .
That is not what is going on and you fucking know it. Let me know when these scum protest women getting kidnapped, raped and shot in the vagina.
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That is not what is going on and you fucking know it. Let me know when these scum protest women getting kidnapped, raped and shot in the vagina.
Many thousands of dead women and children is exactly what’s going on.
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Not to mention complete obliteration of their homes and neighborhoods.
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What was supposed to happen, my assertion from day one, Biden is not supposed to run. That's on him. An open primary, Harris would get smoked. She's a LOT more polished than she was four years ago, but if Trump smoked her, sure as hell Shapiro, Newsom, Pritzker, whomever smokes her. And a polished white guy governor might have just won last night.
Trump's victory was so broad based that I doubt any Democrat would have beaten him last night. As one pundit noted, "if there’s a takeaway from this election, it’s that this is who we are".
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The overwhelming majority of (thousands of) dead women, chidlren, and babies didn’t kidnap anyone nor shoot them in the vagina.
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Many thousands of dead women and children is exactly what’s going on.
Maybe don't live near terrorist bases and maybe their elected officials should release the remaining hostages. Until then, suck it scumbags.
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A real man of the people....
I support farmers. A value I learned at UIUC - apparently you did not.
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The gays apparently do. Big community over by there.
or did the lead in the water cause teh gay?
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I support farmers. A value I learned at UIUC - apparently you did not.
Sure you do when you put that butter on your surrender monkey French bread every day.
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or did the lead in the water cause teh gay?
I will leave that one to Jobu to answer.
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a recession + more liberal energy policy might help
a man of the people - "what we really need is a recession!"
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Sure you do when you put that butter on your surrender monkey French bread every day.
Bread - like soda - is a simple carbohydrates that anyone with a brain avoids like the plague
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Maybe don't live near terrorist bases and maybe their elected officials should release the remaining hostages. Until then, suck it scumbags.
Maybe the people in Gaza can join Murph’s parents in Santa Barbara.
And yes, the people their grandparents voted for at a 44% rate 18 some odd years ago should let the hostages go.
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or did the lead in the water cause teh gay?
I heard some guy on the radio the other night mock people with too much fluoride in their water; immediately thought of custard
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I heard some guy on the radio the other night mock people with too much fluoride in their water; immediately thought of custard
of course - RFK wants to ban it - it's an "Industrial waste"
There aren't really any great documented hazards with fluoridated water - you don't want to gargle with straight fluoride and I have stains on my teeth from swallowing the toothpaste as a kid (there is a lot more fluoride in toothpaste than in municipal fluoridated water). But there are direct lines from tooth decay to all sorts of negative outcomes as you progress in life. Wealthier people who can afford toothpaste (yes, not being able to buy toothpaste is a thing and it's a common thing that low income service providers appreciate donations for) and regular dental checkups probably don't even need fluoridated water. We are on a well and considered giving our son fluoride tablets - but the dentist said for us it probably didn't matter since we monitored his brushing of teeth and got him to the dentist on the regular, sealed his molars etc.., but get him to drink a glass or two at school or in town.
But there are clear correlations in dental decay among low income populations between similar communities with and without fluoridated water.
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Maybe the people in Gaza can join Murph’s parents in Santa Barbara.
And yes, the people their grandparents voted for at a 44% rate 18 some odd years ago should let the hostages go.
They are not letting them in this country or Egypt, that's for sure.
Their government. Their war. Their loss. Because it fits his plans to stay out of jail, he is talking WWII-level unconditional surrender. Because it fits his plans to stay of jail, it seems like he actually means it.
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They are not letting them in this country or Egypt, that's for sure.
Their government. Their war. Their loss. Because it fits his plans to stay out of jail, he is talking WWII-level unconditional surrender. Because it fits his plans to stay of jail, it seems like he actually means it.
You’re talking about Bibi? Sounds extremely moral to bomb out 2 million people to avoid going to prison.
And I meant is, it’s the gazans’ fault for not moving to Santa Barbara before being bombed out…
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You’re talking about Bibi? Sounds extremely moral to bomb out 2 million people to avoid going to prison.
And I meant is, it’s the gazans’ fault for not moving to Santa Barbara before being bombed out…
He is killing 2 birds with 1 stone.
71% support for 10/7 in March, 2024.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-rise-support-armed-struggle-by-palestinians-2024-06-13/
That view changed once they realize Bibi isn't leaving anytime soon.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-poll-finds-big-drop-support-oct-7-attack-2024-09-17/
But keep telling us how they are somehow innocent.
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Children aren’t innocent?
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Children aren’t innocent?
Like the ones that carjack cars in Chicago?
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Like the ones that carjack cars in Chicago?
Dead Palestinian kids are carjacking cars in Chicago?
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Don’t put pictures of militated children on this forum. Text him or send him a PM if you absolutely must send shit like that.
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Don’t put pictures of militated children on this forum. Text him or send him a PM if you absolutely must send shit like that.
Sucks, doesn’t it. We can still talk about how they deserved it though, right?
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Didn’t know Custard was all of a sudden pro-censorship.
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I guess we can rant for months about how dead women and children deserved what they got, but once we show that half-blown up kids are a reality and not an abstract thought, well that’s just a bridge too far…
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I guess we can rant for months about how dead women and children deserved what they got, but once we show that half-blown up kids are a reality and not an abstract thought, well that’s just a bridge too far…
I would suggest posting a link and letting folks here decide if they want to view the photos. I would think our Elon Musk Free Speech Ambassador would be ok with that.
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I would suggest posting a link and letting folks here decide if they want to view the photos. I would think our Elon Musk Free Speech Ambassador would be ok with that.
That inhibits my free speech!
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Again, we’re allowed again and again to talk about how they got what was coming to them, but show the reality, and…gasp!
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You know why that photo was offensive? Because it IS offensive. Whether it’s said, or viewed.
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I guess we can rant for months about how dead women and children deserved what they got, but once we show that half-blown up kids are a reality and not an abstract thought, well that’s just a bridge too far…
You’re catching on
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Dead Palestinian kids are carjacking cars in Chicago?
You asked if they are innocent, intimating that they are merely because they are kids. So I asked about the innocence
of juvenile Chicago carjackers.
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You know why that photo was offensive? Because it IS offensive. Whether it’s said, or viewed.
Boo fucking hoo. Don't start a war you won't win, don't kidnap babies, don't shoot women in the vagina, and agree to 2 state solution in 2000 and the shit you are whining about happening to them doesn't happen. Bad decisions can be hazardous.
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Here is a hotter take for you Tempo: Trump is going to give Bibi a January (post inauguration) deadline to get this over with or he is cutting off the weapons spigot. The one caveat is if the Iranians launch a substantive attack (like blowing up Bibi's house, since they have proven they can get drones through and hit his house) as they are allegedly threatening, then Trump will be ok with Bibi really going off.
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You’re catching on
That’s what I thought.
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Boo fucking hoo. Don't start a war you won't win, don't kidnap babies, don't shoot women in the vagina, and agree to 2 state solution in 2000 and the shit you are whining about happening to them doesn't happen. Bad decisions can be hazardous.
Yes, EXACTLY! What were those children and babies thinking when they started a war they can’t win?!
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You asked if they are innocent, intimating that they are merely because they are kids. So I asked about the innocence
of juvenile Chicago carjackers.
Which has zero to fucking do with blown in half 3 year olds. You show literally zero perspective an astonishing amount of the time.
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Which has zero to fucking do with blown in half 3 year olds. You show literally zero perspective an astonishing amount of the time.
It's a war. Bad shit happens. Especially when the nail starts a war against a hammer. That's why the nail shouldn't start a war. You are blaming the wrong people.
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Making a one on one comparison of children who are victims of military bombings to carjackers is such a wild stretch, I can’t even.
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Making a one on one comparison of children who are victims of military bombings to carjackers is such a wild stretch, I can’t even.
Point is not every kid is "innocent."
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I’d like to add that any kid allowing themselves to be born Palestinian, well, that just shows really poor judgment.
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Point is not every kid is "innocent."
And you made one of the most bizarre and irrelevant comparisons imaginable in an effort to “make that point.”
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I’d like to add that any kid allowing themselves to be born Palestinian, well, that just shows really poor judgment.
Just like German and Japanese kids in WWII. War is hell.
If only you were as concerned with the hippies that got killed on 10/7.
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It's a war. Bad shit happens. Especially when the nail starts a war against a hammer. That's why the nail shouldn't start a war. You are blaming the wrong people.
If my side can blow yours up more, we’re more moral than you!
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And you made one of the most bizarre and irrelevant comparisons imaginable in an effort to “make that point.”
Feel free to deny it.
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Just like German and Japanese kids in WWII. War is hell.
If only you were as concerned with the hippies that got killed on 10/7.
That was terrible. Still doesn’t mean 25,000 kids deserved to die. And 2 million people displaced.
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Take it to the dead kids thread no one gives a fuck
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I wasn’t calling for mass death and destruction of Saudi Arabian kids and civilians after 9/11.
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If my side can blow yours up more, we’re more moral than you!
War is war. Bad shit happens. Always better to be on the side that finishes on top as opposed to the loser starting it. The polling numbers in this instance show that.
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Take it to the dead kids thread no one gives a fuck
Fuck off.
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I wasn’t calling for mass death and destruction of Saudi Arabian kids and civilians after 9/11.
Instead we went after Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Custard proves again and again why I called him the poster boy for white male indifference. The irony is right under his nose and he misses it every time.
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Instead we went after Afghanistan and Iraq.
Largely illegally. Which is why Dubya and Cheney aren’t traveling overseas too often, if ever.
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And in the process of liberating Iraq we killed/got killed a couple million of them. And helped to spawn ISIS!
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JLo not Teutonic enough for ya?
https://x.com/thebabylonbee/status/1853150178250731786?s=46
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Feel free to deny it.
Again, zero perspective. Literally none.
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Just like German and Japanese kids in WWII. War is hell.
If only you were as concerned with the hippies that got killed on 10/7.
World War II was 80 years ago. We’ve made some progress in humanity since then. Not enough, but some. Black people couldnt drink out of the same water fountain as white people in 1945. They got lynched for saying hello to a white woman. But women had recently secured voting privileges! They couldn’t have a credit card of their own yet, though.
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Custard proves again and again why I called him the poster boy for white male indifference. The irony is right under his nose and he misses it every time.
What irony? I liked the quote so much I put it in my sig.
No one wants to read page after page of the same dumb off topic argument happening in myriad threads.
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What irony? I liked the quote so much I put it in my sig.
No one wants to read page after page of the same dumb off topic argument happening in myriad threads.
You like it because you think it doesn’t apply to you. Yet it fits you perfectly.
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No one wants to be bothered by dead Palestinian kids!
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You have a difficult time seeing the world through the eyes of other people. Just own it.
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Now, nobody drinks out of drinking fountains.
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You like it because you think it doesn’t apply to you. Yet it fits you perfectly.
I’d wager I do wayyyyy more for marginalized people both in our local community and the world at large than you do. Virtue signaling on a sports forum just isn’t how I do it.
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I’d wager I do wayyyyy more for marginalized people both in our local community and the world at large than you do. Virtue signaling on a sports forum just isn’t how I do it.
setting aside voting to deport a couple of million of them, many of whom have no adult recollection of the place they will be deported to. But they don't really count because mexican
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He’s not gonna deport millions of people any more than he locked Hillary up.
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He’s not gonna deport millions of people any more than he locked Hillary up.
Dovetailing then from my post on the other thread. The biggest problem here is that nothing he said in the campaign can be taken seriously, and that is going to choke the economy because nobody knows what to plan. Do we plant X number of acres of cabbage? We have no clue if we will have labor or not. Should I be digging into my dishwasher's status to see if I might be losing him so I can plan my employee base?
I mean, sure, it's very clever of him to lie and tell people who want millions of people deported that he will do it, if he has no actual intention to do so, to get the votes and then just wander to the next topic. Or maybe he wants to but he can't pull it off.
He's like a bad spouse who tells you when you get home from work that your in-laws are coming during monday night football.
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I don’t think it’s that deep. He made big promises he’ll make a mere token attempt to keep. Deportation will be one of them.
I don’t think the economy is that worried about Trump based on what the stock market did today.
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I don’t think it’s that deep. He made big promises he’ll make a mere token attempt to keep. Deportation will be one of them.
I don’t think the economy is that worried about Trump based on what the stock market did today.
Basically 50 million people are either in on the joke or were bamboozled. I mean, I guess I have no problem with someone saying "I voted for Trump because he's gonna close the border and deport the immigrants" - it's a democracy after all. But if that has nothing to do with what he's actually gonna do - what the hell was anyone voting upon?
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I don’t think the economy is that worried about Trump based on what the stock market did today.
The stock market on a day to day basis is shit. Nvidia stock has dropped over 30% multiple times in the last 5 years. Yet it is at an all time high today. Plenty of people were "worried" about the company (including Q97 who shorted it) despite the fact the company just keeps churning out more and more money.
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I’d wager I do wayyyyy more for marginalized people both in our local community and the world at large than you do. Virtue signaling on a sports forum just isn’t how I do it.
Hey, that’s great. Really. But based on your many comments on women, minorities, and now dead children, it seems like you’re not especially dialed in in the empathy department and not very good at understanding the plight of others outside of your pamapered/catered to white American Christian male existence.
I’m not saying you’re a TERRIBLE person. I don’t think you are. I just think you have a pretty narrow perspective sometimes.
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I don’t think it’s that deep. He made big promises he’ll make a mere token attempt to keep. Deportation will be one of them.
I don’t think the economy is that worried about Trump based on what the stock market did today.
So dishonesty is not a bug. It’s a feature.
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You asked if they are innocent, intimating that they are merely because they are kids. So I asked about the innocence
of juvenile Chicago carjackers.
Calling this an attempt at logic is an insult to actual logic. This is exactly like saying “You know, Ted Bundy existed, and adult men are not always innocent; so maybe Mr. Rogers was deserving of execution, too.”
Very bizarre attempt at logic.
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She’s spitting truth, here.
https://x.com/ryangrim/status/1854148818872205446?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Oof…
https://x.com/benjysarlin/status/1854131739045601401?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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So good.
https://x.com/librarianjoe_/status/1854148002878755125?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Actually, the more I think about it, the more I’m swayed. I’m going to tweet the mayor today and implore him to get these 1-9 year old carjackers under control!
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Now, nobody drinks out of drinking fountains.
Dangerous fluoride levels.
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Calling this an attempt at logic is an insult to actual logic. This is exactly like saying “You know, Ted Bundy existed, and adult men are not always innocent; so maybe Mr. Rogers was deserving of execution, too.”
Very bizarre attempt at logic.
I'll give you a hint, they ain't innocent
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Actually, the more I think about it, the more I’m swayed. I’m going to tweet the mayor today and implore him to get these 1-9 year old carjackers under control!
Too late...think Jeff Frank is going to be disappointed in EOB as she is sounding like Foxx-lite. She is not going to lock up criminal scum either
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World War II was 80 years ago. We’ve made some progress in humanity since then. Not enough, but some. Black people couldnt drink out of the same water fountain as white people in 1945. They got lynched for saying hello to a white woman. But women had recently secured voting privileges! They couldn’t have a credit card of their own yet, though.
LOL. Sure we have advanced. The election proves it, right? This is why Dems lose elections listening to dumb ass Progressives like Spark and you. Move to Cuba or Venezuela please. You will like the policies better there.
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I'll give you a hint, they ain't innocent
5 year olds never are!
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Absolute fucking insanity.
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LOL. Sure we have advanced. The election proves it, right? This is why Dems lose elections listening to dumb ass Progressives like Spark and you. Move to Cuba or Venezuela please. You will like the policies better there.
I’d move to Norway or Denmark today if I could.
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You know what? You’re right. I’ve actually met a lot of small children and though to myself “You know what, this child deserves to be cut in half by a bomb.”
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I’d move to Norway or Denmark today if I could.
"if I could"???
That's the kind of "meh" that loses elections
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"if I could"???
That's the kind of "meh" that loses elections
That's the kind of "meh" that expects someone like you to foot the bill for him.
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I’d move to Norway or Denmark today if I could.
You can walk to Venezuela. We have seen them walk here.
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5 year olds never are!
Just getting them while they are in training to be terrorists.
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Well I’d want to take my son, and trust me, his mother ain’t going to Norway.
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That's the kind of "meh" that expects someone like you to foot the bill for him.
Creativity man. Very easy to get a job on a transfer cruise.
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You can walk to Venezuela. We have seen them walk here.
Theoretically true but near impossible to cross the Darien Gap
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The pronouns one is funny. Good one Golf
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Conservative from the 1950s and 60s:
*Opposed tax cuts.
*Supported gun control.
*Founded the EPA
*Signed the clean air and water acts.
*Favored a guaranteed income funded by a reverse tax.
*Pursued a policy of detente with the Soviet Union.
*Opened up diplomatic relations with China.
Leading conservative from the 1980s:
*Another globalist
*Passed an assault weapons ban.
*Began the Nafta negotiations.
*Signed an immigration reform bill in 1984 that targeted employers of illegal immigrants.
*Signed an immigration reform act in 1986 that granted amnesty to illegal aliens
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Conservative from the 1950s and 60s:
*Supported gun control.
*Founded the EPA
*Signed the clean air and water acts.
*Favored a guaranteed income funded by a reverse tax.
*Pursued a policy of detente with the Soviet Union.
*Opened up diplomatic relations with China.
Leading conservative from the 1980s:
*Another globalist
*Passed an assault weapons ban.
*Began the Nafta negotiations.
*Signed an immigration reform bill in 1984 that targeted employers of illegal immigrants.
*Signed an immigration reform act in 1986 that granted amnesty to illegal aliens
And Dems supported stopping communism.
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And Dems supported stopping communism.
I added that Nixon opposed tax cuts.
Communism gained a foothold here during the depression, but lost appeal due to social democratic reforms.
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I don’t think it’s that deep. He made big promises he’ll make a mere token attempt to keep. Deportation will be one of them.
We were also told that Roe v Wade would NOT be overturned.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." --
H.L. Mencken
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https://x.com/traecrowder/status/1854255398737563753?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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https://x.com/traecrowder/status/1854255398737563753?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
It is good to see you are still supporting Musk.
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It is good to see you are still supporting Musk.
It’s the only place I can call him a fascist cunt and he might see it.
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Good one tempo!
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It’s the only place I can call him a fascist cunt and he might see it.
Don't stop believin', Tempo
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Elon Musk has evolved into an absolute American treasure. The best thing to come out of Sub-Saharan Africa since Greg Eboigbodin.
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... Musk has never publicly acknowledged his period of illegal status, conceding only that he lived for a time in an immigration “gray area.” But his visa issues could raise separate questions for his security clearance, which he holds as the CEO and founder of SpaceX, an aerospace company with billions of dollars in federal contracts. “At a minimum, a determination that he had been less than truthful with immigration authorities would absolutely be something that security authorities could separately consider as casting doubt on his trustworthiness and good judgment,” Bradley Moss, a lawyer who works in security clearance law, wrote in an email. “If his name was anything but Elon Musk,” Moss said, “the odds are his security clearance would more than likely face revocation under those circumstances.”
https://www.lexisnexis.com/community/insights/legal/immigration/b/outsidenews/posts/wapo-elon-musk-worked-illegally-in-us
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If he was a proponent of the Harris campaign you’d be touting that as proof that illegals are good for America.
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Custard loves being gaslighted by billionaires.
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If he was a proponent of the Harris campaign you’d be touting that as proof that illegals are good for America.
Nichi can't deny this
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If he was a proponent of the Harris campaign you’d be touting that as proof that illegals are good for America.
Winner, winner, chicken dinner…
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Custard loves being gaslighted by billionaires.
You love supporting them…
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You love supporting them…
And Trump...Tempo loves supporting those who support Trump.
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😂 that was good
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And Trump...Tempo loves supporting those who support Trump.
You listen to the No Teeth Hockey Podcast, so you support Trump, too.
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Custard loves being gaslighted by billionaires.
I am not really sure I’ve been being gaslighted by billionaires, unless you consider those that own the legacy media.
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I am not really sure I’ve been being gaslighted by billionaires, unless you consider those that own the legacy media.
Well let me clear this up for you. You have. Custard even used Elon’s term “legacy media.” How fucking cute.
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You listen to the No Teeth Hockey Podcast, so you support Trump, too.
Yep. But I'm a centrist trying to find places where we can agree as opposed to being a Progressive who just likes losing elections and calls everyone else a DINO
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You are the least sounding Democrat Democrat I have ever heard. Which current Democrat do you like?
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Yep. But I'm a centrist trying to find places where we can agree as opposed to being a Progressive who just likes losing elections and calls everyone else a DINO
You’re a fucking McCain/Dole Republican. You are not a Democrat.
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You are the least sounding Democrat Democrat I have ever heard. Which current Democrat do you like?
I just posted lists of centrist Dems, you know the ones that can actually win elections in Red and Purple states.
You aren't a Dem. You are a socialist Green Euro.
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You’re a fucking McCain/Dole Republican. You are not a Democrat.
Didn't vote for them either. I'm the Dem. You are a socialist who would love Cuba and Venezuela
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You aren't a Dem. You are a socialist Green Euro.
🎯
Look who finally got something correct.
Forced to vote for Dems if I want even a fraction of what I want.
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Didn't vote for them either. I'm the Dem. You are a socialist who would love Cuba and Venezuela
Yet another resident liar. Those are not functioning democracies.
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Look who finally got something correct.
Forced to vote for Dems if I want even a fraction of what I want.
We finally got you to admit you are not a Dem. Finally.
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Yet another resident liar. Those are not functioning democracies.
You are a Euro socialist wanting shit for free. Go try it out there and report back.
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We finally got you to admit you are not a Dem. Finally.
I strongly support some Dems. And vote Democratic across the board. So Democrat “enough.”
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Didn't vote for them either. I'm the Dem. You are a socialist who would love Cuba and Venezuela
So you voted for the Clintons and Obama? Guess what, they differ very little from the “California Progessive (who isn’t that progressive),” and enthusiastically supported her.
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I strongly support some Dems. And vote Democratic across the board. So Democrat “enough.”
Doesn't sound like it.
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Doesn't sound like it.
Looks can be deceiving.
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Looks can be deceiving.
The admissions in your postings aren't
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So you voted for the Clintons and Obama? Guess what, they differ very little from the “California Progessive (who isn’t that progressive),” and enthusiastically supported her.
Yes I voted for centrists Clinton and Obama. She was progressive. You saw the ad where she was debating herself from 2020....
Of course they enthusiastically supported her (at least outwardly - there is reporting the Obamas were not fans).
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Clinton and especially Obama did not run as Centrists. They tacked that way. Clinton literally gave his all to enact Universal healthcare and enacted “don’t ask don’t tell” which was controversial at the time. I know because I stood among military people as it was discussed and ridiculed. It was the penis is sports issue of its time.
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Obama literally ran as a change agent from Chicago. Something you mock on a daily basis.
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Obama literally ran as a change agent from Chicago. Something you mock on a daily basis.
And anti-war one at that.
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The Clintons literally inspired the modern day mantra of “Commie Dems.” The election of Clinton birthed New Gingrich and the modern ultra-right.
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Clinton and especially Obama did not run as Centrists. They tacked that way. Clinton literally gave his all to enact Universal healthcare and enacted “don’t ask don’t tell” which was controversial at the time. I know because I stood among military people as it was discussed and ridiculed. It was the penis is sports issue of its time.
LOL. The progressives just loved Mr. Triangulation Bill Clinton when he sold welfare reform.
They loved Obama because he was a Black guy and thought he was something he wasn't. He was a guy who voted present on abortion rights as a State Senator to appease his preacher supporters. Real progressive of him.
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Obama literally ran as a change agent from Chicago. Something you mock on a daily basis.
Hope and Change! Gave us Trump too.
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The Clintons literally inspired the modern day mantra of “Commie Dems.” The election of Clinton birthed New Gingrich and the modern ultra-right.
And Obama literally gave us Trump when he insulted him at the correspondents' dinner. Thanks Obama!
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Clinton and Obama did not originally run as Centrists. They tacked that way because like me (who somewhat grudgingly votes Dem across the board), they decided that getting some of what they want was better than getting none of what they want.
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And Obama literally gave us Trump when he insulted him at the correspondents' dinner. Thanks Obama!
Obama burned him badly that day. Unfortunately the electorate is more unbalanced than we ever imagined.
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Hope and Change! Gave us Trump too.
So you voted Clinton and Obama but hated them, too. That checks out.
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But you also liked them because “Centrist.” That explains your Bears suck, but will still make the Super Bowl takes.
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Clinton and Obama did not originally run as Centrists. They tacked that way because like me (who somewhat grudgingly votes Dem across the board), they decided that getting some of what they want was better than getting none of what they want.
Are we talking primaries or general election?
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So you voted Clinton and Obama but hated them, too. That checks out.
I did not hate them. They were centrists. Like Biden. Unfortunately, Biden let things run amuck trying to appease his left flank.
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But you also liked them because “Centrist.” That explains your Bears suck, but will still make the Super Bowl takes.
They should be far better but for Your Guys Eberlose and Poles.
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Yep. But I'm a centrist trying to find places where we can agree as opposed to being a Progressive who just likes losing elections and calls everyone else a DINO
Centrist is just another word for pussy
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Centrist is just another word for pussy
Let me know when those progressives stop being "one and done" outside of gerrymandered districts.
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They should be far better but for Your Guys Eberlose and Poles.
But you yourself has said that roster sucks minus the secondary. You literally want the GM fired for incompetence while predicting they would make the Super Bowl.
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Districts are gerrymandered in favor of conservatives not progressives.
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Are we talking primaries or general election?
Again, Obama literally ran as a Chicago based agent of change. A “collective” candidate. “We are the change we’ve been waiting for.” He was the embodiment of what you bash here every single day.
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Centrist is just another word for pussy
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Milquetoast.
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Strawman alert!
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But it’s really not. Are we a Christian nation or are we not? BTW, Jesus was a socialist.
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At a minimum, a collectivist. But given his views on taxes, pretty clearly a socialist.
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Christians do a lot of charity work. It’s part of the whole thing.
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Christians do a lot of charity work. It’s part of the whole thing.
Sure they do. So do atheists, and agnostics. And Muslims. And Jews. Jesus had very clear opinions on rich people.
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Christians do a lot of charity work. It’s part of the whole thing.
Christians is a broad term. Some of that Christian charity work is sincere. Some of it is self serving.
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Not to mention that whole “render unto Caesar which is Caesar’s” bit. Meaning pay your taxes and don’t complain about worldly things, but focus on Godly things. That gets glossed over by Christian’s a lot.
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Let me know when those progressives stop being "one and done" outside of gerrymandered districts.
trump was one and done, n'est pas?
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So we are a Christian nation and you acknowledge Christians help the poor, yet you’re also trying to say Christians don’t help the poor? I’m confused.
We have an enormously expensive social safety net paid for by taxpayer money, many of them Christian.
Our poor people are fat.
Yes many Christian people feel like they’re getting double dipped and would like to keep some of their money to retire someday or, god forbid, have some day to day comfort. Some dont like their hard earned money going to people who refuse to contribute anything to society whatsoever— a segment that seems to be growing.
Are their charlatans that aren’t actual Christians who don’t understand the assignment or have nefarious intentions? Of course. But don’t come at an entire segment of the population like they’re the problem. Far from it.
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Where in the New Testament does Jesus talk of “go seek wealth and acquire as much of it as possible.” I’ll clue you in, nowhere. Jesus literally says to give the shirt off your back to the less fortunate. I’m one million percent sure Jesus’ philosophy would be do everything you can to lift up the poor and less fortunate, and wouldn’t really complain one way or the other if it was done through charity or wealth redistribution. His message was don’t concern yourself with worldly things (i.e. wealth) and concern yourself only with Godly things (helping others). If you were taught or believe any other translation of Christianity, you’ve got it wrong. His message was literally selflessness is the key to salvation.
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He literally said don’t complain about taxes, but concern yourself with God.
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Clinton and especially Obama did not run as Centrists.
Bingo
To review, Clinton ran on Ira Magaziner's Managed Competition healthcare. I also recall don't ask, don't tell. Then his tax plan passed without a single Republican vote. That inspired Newt's contract with America. There was also the Arkansas Project.
Obama inspired the Tea Party mostly by being black. Trump started Birtherism.
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What do you do to help other people? Or is that just something you expect of Christians?
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Our poor people are fat.
people who refuse to contribute anything to society whatsoever— a segment that seems to be growing.
Our people are overweight. We should address the reasons why.
Who exactly are these people who refuse to contribute anything? How do you know their numbers are growing? How are they getting your money?
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And if you REALLY love you some New Testament, there’s the whole “Submit to authority” thing because “any government that was put there was put there by God.” And yes, that means the ones that like to tax you, too.
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What do you do to help other people? Or is that just something you expect of Christians?
Admittedly, less than I used to. And that’s on me. I need to find a way to make time to do more.
I also happily volunteer my tax dollars to government assistance programs without complaining. And would be happy to pay more if called upon. Because ultimately, government is more capable of lifting people out of poverty than churches.
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Our people are overweight. We should address the reasons why.
Who exactly are these people who refuse to contribute anything? How do you know their numbers are growing? How are they getting your money?
Many of these people even have smart phones and refrigerators!
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How about our great safety net? It's the worst of any developed country.
The system punishes single and stay at home moms.
We still haven't addressed the blackout period for Widows.
Republicans have fought Medicaid expansion and are primed to repeal it.
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Who else remembers that Fox News/Hannity bitch session?
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The they’ve got refrigerators and they are getting government assistance! Gasp!
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Many of these people even have smart phones and refrigerators!
Ah, Obama phones! /S
They had free Internet too, but it was recently defunded.
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How about our great safety net? It's the worst of any developed country.
The system punishes single and stay at home moms.
We still haven't addressed the blackout period for Widows.
Republicans have fought Medicaid expansion and are primed to repeal it.
We are the richest country in the world by a lot, and we are the only developed country that doesn’t have some form of universal healthcare. Because freedumb, death panels, and penis’ in sports.
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Ah, Obama phones! /S
They had free Internet too, but it was recently defunded.
By Joe Biden’s extreme left agenda.
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They literally want to dismantle social security, which has lifted many seniors out of extreme poverty poverty. So they can privatize it and make more money for millionaires and billionaires.
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But also, “get your government hands off my Medicare!”
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Republicans like Marco Rubio (talk about a vanishing act btw) want to dismantle government assistance programs, yet he once acknowledged how much his parents benefited from these programs.
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We are the richest country in the world by a lot, and we are the only developed country that doesn’t have some form of universal healthcare. Because freedumb, death panels, and penis’ in sports.
So poor people can’t get medical treatment?
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Our people are overweight. We should address the reasons why.
Who exactly are these people who refuse to contribute anything? How do you know their numbers are growing? How are they getting your money?
Certainly one of them is that government assistance allows for unrestricted purchases of processed junk food and sugary drinks, so you have low education people buying junk food with money they didn’t earn, then, shockingly, becoming obese and putting a huge strain on the healthcare system. I have stood in line more than once behind families where every member was morbidly obese, purchasing shopping carts full of nothing but diabetes producing garbage.
We also need to take a holistic look at our entire food system that’s loaded with garbage that doesn’t even exist in other countries. I work in the sustainable ag space, so I’m intimately familiar with how bad it is. RFK Jr has said he would like to address some of these issues.
The number of people on assistance have been steadily increasing for decades. They get my money because I’m an earner that pays taxes. Many of these people genuinely need the help, and I’m happy to give it. Some of them are freeloaders. It is what it is.
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Christians do a lot of charity work. It’s part of the whole thing.
The reason to collect taxes and provide services rather than rely on charity doing it, is that when you do it via charity, the people giving the money can selectively do charity. Poor Christian? Here you go. Poor non-christian? Find some bootstraps.
This before we get into the amount of money that goes into the collection plate and just ends up in the Vatican or Salt Lake City coffers to collect interest. And don't even get me started on the amount of tax deductable charitable contributions that go to both religious and secular private schools to build a new football stadium at the school that charges 30k/year tuition with tax free money.
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We also need to take a holistic look at our entire food system that’s loaded with garbage that doesn’t even exist in other countries. I work in the sustainable ag space, so I’m intimately familiar with how bad it is. RFK Jr has said he would like to address some of these issues.
Got news. If RFK Jr tries to get in the way of High Fructose Corn Syrup production he'll be out on his ass immediately. Before we even get started on the donors being all tied up into Big Food Incorporated - look at the diet of the President himself.
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So poor people can’t get medical treatment?
If they’re willing to go into bankruptcy and ruin their credit they’ll likely get emergency treamtent. Unless they’re really poor. Do you know how many people go into medical bankruptcy per year in America? Do you know how many people die in America because they can’t afford cancer screenings? Do you know how many people stay at jobs they hate because they are afraid of losing their health insurance? It’s insane to have your health insurance tied to your job. But ‘Murica
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No point in going after HFCS, it’s basically the same as table sugar.
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If they’re willing to go into bankruptcy and ruin their credit they’ll likely get emergency treamtent. Unless they’re really poor. Do you know how many people go into medical bankruptcy per year in America? Do you know how many people die in America because they can’t afford cancer screenings? Do you know how many people stay at jobs they hate because they are afraid of losing their health insurance? It’s insane to have your health insurance tied to your job. But ‘Murica
Our system is a mess, partially due to failed ACA policy. But free or low cost health care is available to low income Americans.
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Our system is a mess, partially due to failed ACA policy. But free or low cost health care is available to low income Americans.
Access to healthcare has improved since a watered down ACA passed.
Still
10 states had declined Medicaid expansion the last I checked.
In states that did, there is still a gap between eligibility for ACA subsidies and Medicaid
eligibility.
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From 2023:
About 8 percent (or $545 billion) of the 2023 federal budget supported programs that provide aid (other than health insurance or Social Security benefits) to individuals and families facing hardship. Economic security programs include: the refundable portions of the Earned Income Tax Credit and Child Tax Credit, which assist low- and moderate-income working families; programs that provide cash payments to eligible individuals or households, including unemployment insurance and Supplemental Security Income for low-income people who are over age 65 or disabled; various forms of in-kind assistance for low-income people, including the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (formerly known as food stamps), school meals, low-income housing assistance, child care assistance, and help meeting home energy bills; and other programs such as aid for abused or neglected children.
Economic security programs keep millions of people above the poverty line each year. They also reduce, but do not eliminate, racial and ethnic differences in poverty rates
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Fuckin’ immigrants.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZqM2441f/IMG-9501.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sB5wJdfS)
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No point in going after HFCS, it’s basically the same as table sugar.
Nope.
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Again, Obama literally ran as a Chicago based agent of change. A “collective” candidate. “We are the change we’ve been waiting for.” He was the embodiment of what you bash here every single day.
He sold you a bill of goods. I was fine with him because of that
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Districts are gerrymandered in favor of conservatives not progressives.
Illinois says "Hold my beer"
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Milquetoast.
That the 2 XQ2 Guys Who are Euro Commies and Not Dems agree on something is not shocking
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Illinois says "Hold my beer"
Right?
I personally love Tempo’s unique ability to cite leftist tropes without any irony because it gives us so much to talk about.
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Right?
I personally love Tempo’s unique ability to cite leftist tropes without any irony because it gives us so much to talk about.
Such as?
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Such as?
Districts are gerrymandered in favor of conservatives not progressives.
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Did folks see the Trump blue-red yard signs along the roads? They were everywhere where I live, which is a purplish community.
-Trump Low Taxes, Kamala High Taxes
-Trump Low Prices, Kamala High Prices
-Trump Safety, Kamala Crime
-Trump Secure Borders, Kamala Open Borders
Eye-catching while succinct and effective at hammering a narrative.
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Districts are gerrymandered in favor of conservatives not progressives.
Progressives? Lol I don’t think that word means what you think it means. You mean corporate Democrats? There are few actual progressives in Congress.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna776436
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https://campaignlegal.org/press-releases/us-supreme-court-decision-greenlights-racial-gerrymandering-south-carolina
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Did folks see the Trump blue-red yard signs along the roads? They were everywhere where I live, which is a purplish community.
-Trump Low Taxes, Kamala High Taxes
-Trump Low Prices, Kamala High Prices
-Trump Safety, Kamala Crime
-Trump Secure Borders, Kamala Open Borders
Eye-catching while succinct and effective at hammering a narrative.
I didn’t see those particular ones here. Maybe it was a more localized campaign. Down here I saw a lot of just generic signs, more Harris-Walz than I would have expected, and a few “presidents are temporary but Wu Tang is forever” signs.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/XY4fCLTT/IMG-9507.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qzD6fsBL)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/kGSHBsk2/IMG-9508.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K3ZfWPcb)
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Custard does not know the difference between corporate Democrats and Progressives. Explains a lot. If Progressives were in charge of redistricting we Progressives might not lose almost every damn time.
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I didn’t see those particular ones here. Maybe it was a more localized campaign. Down here I saw a lot of just generic signs, more Harris-Walz than I would have expected, and a few “presidents are temporary but Wu Tang is forever” signs.
They were not localized. Friends and family in Arizona, Texas, Michigan, New York and even California noticed these signs. They were typically lined up in a row. Much better than the generic blue Harris-Walz yard signs. Whoever came up with the concept deserves a job in White House communications department.
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I saw a couple of them.
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Did folks see the Trump blue-red yard signs along the roads? They were everywhere where I live, which is a purplish community.
-Trump Low Taxes, Kamala High Taxes
-Trump Low Prices, Kamala High Prices
-Trump Safety, Kamala Crime
-Trump Secure Borders, Kamala Open Borders
Eye-catching while succinct and effective at hammering a narrative.
yes someone in my neighborhood had that set up going on
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Sounds like those successive old signs somewhere along I-57 between Kankakee and Champaign. One of them was about gun control and one was about the Illini.
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Funny how that turned out that way, huh?!
https://x.com/admiralaegis/status/1855109452820525464?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Funny how that turned out that way, huh?!
https://x.com/admiralaegis/status/1855109452820525464?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Look closer. No ID. Non photo ID.
How about red states that don't require ID?
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Funny how that turned out that way, huh?!
https://x.com/admiralaegis/status/1855109452820525464?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
If the Dems are cheating how’d they win 2020 so convincingly and lose so convincingly this year?
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Do you know how much effort it would take to have a MEANINGFUL number of people walk into a polling place and cast extra votes? It’s virtually inconceivable this is going on.
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Facism and a dictator, I tell you!! 😂 y'all are fucking weird…
https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1855404088734945765?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Facism and a dictator, I tell you!! 😂 y'all are fucking weird…
https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1855404088734945765?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Huh?
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Huh?
People like you with your yelling of him being a facist and dictator is nothing but hyperbole and fear mongering. Then say “huh” when he says something like this like you don’t get it…
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Huh?
Weird
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People like you with your yelling of him being a facist and dictator is nothing but hyperbole and fear mongering. Then say “huh” when he says something like this like you don’t get it…
Sounded mostly like incoherent rambling to me. What do you think he specifically proposed?
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Sounded mostly like incoherent rambling to me. What do you think he specifically proposed?
Rough translation:
He was taunting Harris because she had a yuge lead in fundraising. Then blew it all on glitzy events. Now she might be in debt. Meanwhile, Trump closed out his campaign using free media events.
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Rough translation:
He was taunting Harris because she had a yuge lead in fundraising. Then blew it all on glitzy events. Now she might be in debt. Meanwhile, Trump closed out his campaign using free media events.
$1 billion apparently doesn't get you too far these days.
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$1 billion apparently doesn't get you too far these days.
Everyone knew she was going to lose so they lined their own pockets
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Rough translation:
He was taunting Harris because she had a yuge lead in fundraising. Then blew it all on glitzy events. Now she might be in debt. Meanwhile, Trump closed out his campaign using free media events.
That I pretty much understood, but does JJ really think Trump is being sincere?
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That I pretty much understood, but does JJ really think Trump is being sincere?
Maybe Trump gaslit him!
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Maybe Trump gaslit him!
Have you called Merriam-Webster yet?
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There’s a writer with 62,000 followers on Twitter, who says that JD Vance gives great head
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Well well well... The Failing New York Times email today big article on how DINOs, as The Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey Euro and Artisan Butter Man would call us, won in the Red Districts and Red States. Wasn't just inflation!
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It was a pretty good read.
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Burying the lede part 2.... Custard reads NPR website and Failing New York Times!
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2020 81,283,501 74,223,975
2024 71,239,855 74,834,277
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Burying the lede part 2.... Custard reads NPR website and Failing New York Times!
I get the FNYT morning email, had screenshotted a couple key points that I was going to post here but then got on here and saw you already posted about it.
I try to consume different news perspectives. It’s insane how slanted reporting is, to the point that an event that’s being reported on is basically unrecognizable between the two slants. Reading from a variety of outlets helps me form a middle ground information base of sorts?
I know guys like Tempo and Nichi think that spin and lies are confined to Fox, X, and far right media outlets, but left leaning media has been absolutely awful in this election cycle. The FNYT email was refreshing because it really encapsulated exactly what I’d seen play out.
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I get the FNYT morning email, had screenshotted a couple key points that I was going to post here but then got on here and saw you already posted about it.
I try to consume different news perspectives. It’s insane how slanted reporting is, to the point that an event that’s being reported on is basically unrecognizable between the two slants. Reading from a variety of outlets helps me form a middle ground information base of sorts?
I know guys like Tempo and Nichi think that spin and lies are confined to Fox, X, and far right media outlets, but left leaning media has been absolutely awful in this media cycle. The FNYT email was refreshing because it really encapsulated exactly what I’d seen play out.
They lamented it as they encapsulated it
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Well well well... The Failing New York Times email today big article on how DINOs, as The Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey Euro and Artisan Butter Man would call us, won in the Red Districts and Red States. Wasn't just inflation!
Am I the surrender monkey? Did you join the military as our country prepared for war?
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I get the FNYT morning email, had screenshotted a couple key points that I was going to post here but then got on here and saw you already posted about it.
I try to consume different news perspectives. It’s insane how slanted reporting is, to the point that an event that’s being reported on is basically unrecognizable between the two slants. Reading from a variety of outlets helps me form a middle ground information base of sorts?
I know guys like Tempo and Nichi think that spin and lies are confined to Fox, X, and far right media outlets, but left leaning media has been absolutely awful in this election cycle. The FNYT email was refreshing because it really encapsulated exactly what I’d seen play out.
You’re a poor reader apparently. I’ve criticized the “legacy media” as you like to call them repeatedly over the years. I just don’t obsess over the culture war shit.
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Am I the surrender monkey? Did you join the military as our country prepared for war?
That’s embarrassingly akin to 5x draft dodger Trump saying he “likes people that weren’t captured.”
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You didn't join after 9/11! I was busy paying your salary
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You’re a poor reader apparently. I’ve criticized the “legacy media” as you like to call them repeatedly over the years. I just don’t obsess over the culture war shit.
LOL... shouldn't you be reading the commie Euros papers?
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Yes, you are the Election Surrender Monkey.
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https://youtu.be/B6bBXN3I-2g
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He’s using the playbook of making outrageous exaggerations and blaming the voters. We’ve all seen this before. Even the FNYT can admit why the Democrats got trounced this cycle.
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One guy was calling it a landslide. Bullshit. We have even dumbed down that. Somehow a 2.4% margin is a landslide. LBJ, Nixon, and Reagan are somewhere laughing. Bill Clinton once claimed an Electoral landslide.
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I think when you consider that the races were expected to be “razor thin” margins for the electoral college and Harris winning the popular vote, then Trump comes out and crushes the electoral vote and wins the popular vote, then consider controlling the house and senate, with a friendly SCOTUS, calling it a landslide isn’t that outrageous. But not 100% accurate either, like Tempo’s usage of gaslighting.
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I think when you consider that the races were expected to be “razor thin” margins for the electoral college and Harris winning the popular vote, then Trump comes out and crushes the electoral vote and wins the popular vote, then consider controlling the house and senate, with a friendly SCOTUS, calling it a landslide isn’t that outrageous. But not 100% accurate either, like Tempo’s usage of gaslighting.
Tempo will enjoy gaslighting Hamas when shipped off to Gaza.
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Tempo will enjoy gaslighting Hamas when shipped off to Gaza.
Not happening Trump will negotiate the end of that war in 4 hours.
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Not happening Trump will negotiate the end of that war in 4 hours.
Doesn't matter. He promised to ship all the terrorists supporters out of here.
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The gays apparently do. Big community over by there.
The gays and Nick Fuentes apparently...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ar-AA1tY3Fn
MAGA influencer Nick Fuentes accused of assaulting woman outside his home
Police in Berwyn, Ill., where the alleged incident took place, have not returned a request for comment. Rose said online that she told an officer she’d been assaulted and the cop said, “Well, you went to his door.”
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Nick Fuentes thought he was having a great week last week on Weds. Seems the tide has turned.
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I believe the address was 1829 Home Ave. How close is this loser incel to you?
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There are a few people here who might want to read this twice. Substitute a word or religion here or there if you need to.
(https://i.postimg.cc/c12ssjgH/IMG-9568.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WtmR857L)
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I mean, insert any religion there.
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I mean, insert any religion there.
Exactly.
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I even said as much in the original post.
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Looks like Trump is taking Steve Bannon’s advice and “flooding the zone with shit,” so shit won’t be so recognizable.
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I even said as much in the original post.
I only saw the meme sorry
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Nick Fuentes thought he was having a great week last week on Weds. Seems the tide has turned.
They both seem to be losers...
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/far-right-influencer-nick-fuentes-accused-of-spraying-pushing-berwyn-woman-down-stairs/3600531/
and she believes they’re behind multiple Domino’s Pizza orders that have come to her vegan household.
Eat a steak sometime, beeyoootch
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Everybody talking about Gaetz, what about her next career move…
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2020 was a pandemic election. Special rules made it easier to vote. Higher turnout favors urban voters, the disabled, Democrats.
2024, increased election security, lower turnout, favored Republicans.
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(https://i.ibb.co/tZ8hvjS/IMG-7907.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YDpW1n6)
When you are playing the long game, this meme is quite literally true
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Perfect.
Election security favored one party over the other. Wtf were they thinking ? 😂
"Special rules", lol, made it easier to favor Democrats. 😂
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2020 was a pandemic election. Special rules made it easier to vote. Higher turnout favors urban voters, the disabled, Democrats.
2024, increased election security, lower turnout, favored Republicans.
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Wasn't the lower turnout in the Blue enclaves?
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Perfect.
Election security favored one party over the other. Wtf were they thinking ? 😂
"Special rules", lol, made it easier to favor Democrats. 😂
It's pretty simple, and you know it.
When I lived in San Franciscoin 2008, there were a decent amount of precincts but the city has 800,000 people. When I went to vote, I had to wait in line for 30 minutes or so.
When we moved to Healdsburg for 2012, there were 2 precincts but for a town of 10,000. When I went in to vote, there was nobody else there.
You can bloviate all you want about civic duty and do what you need to do in order to vote, but this is a simple statistical problem. If you make it twice as hard to vote, some percentage of people won't be able to get over the hump and cast that ballot. And the GOP knows this, and will go about designing rules that make it easier to vote in GOP leaning areas than Democratic leaning areas. The results will follow.
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Wasn't the lower turnout in the Blue enclaves?
Aside from my prior post, face it, there was less of a case for Harris vs Trump than Biden vs Trump, from a view from space.
There are always a lean against the incumbent when things are bad, and things were bad in 2020. Doesn't matter whose fault - Trump's fault, CHINA's fault, Fauci's fault. Doesn't matter. Things weren't as bad in 2024, expensive eggs aren't as bad as COVID.
Swing and soft voters in 2020 showed up to dump Trump because he was making everyone miserable. 70 million decided that Biden would be even more miserable, but that didn't win the day.
By 2024, the argument that Harris was going to be substantially better for them than Trump wasn't really apparent. We'll see. Trump's not off to a good start.
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Everybody talking about Gaetz, what about her next career move…
(https://i.ibb.co/YN6sVPP/IMG-4592.png) (https://ibb.co/kGpCP55)
Nothing sexist about sharing that.
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https://www.cfr.org/article/2024-election-numbers
In relative terms, voter turnout nationally in 2024 was 63.9 percent. That is below the 66.6 percent voter turnout recorded in 2020, which was the highest voter turnout rate in a U.S. presidential election since 1900.
Wisconsin holds the place of pride as the state with the highest voter turnout in 2024—76.93 percent of eligible voters in the Badger State voted. Five of the six battleground states that switched from Biden to Trump saw their turnout exceed the national average; only Arizona (63.6 percent) was below, and then just barely. Hawaii holds the distinction of being the state with the lowest voter turnout. Just 50 percent of Hawaiians voted.
https://www.axios.com/local/chicago/2024/11/27/2024-election-turnout-results-illinois-harris-trump
By the numbers: Just 1,018,359 (67.9%) of Chicago's registered voters cast ballots this month, the second-lowest turnout for a presidential election in 80 years. In 2020, that number was 73.2%.
Voter turnout across Illinois was 59.6%, down from 72.9% in 2020.
https://www.ppic.org/blog/californias-voter-turnout-sank-in-2024/
Based on the most recent estimate, a little over 16 million Californians voted in the 2024 election. If this number holds, it would mark a significant decline in turnout: roughly 1.7 million fewer ballots than 2020, despite 550,000 more registered voters and 1.8 million more eligible residents.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2024-voter-turnout-republicans-trump-harris-7ef18c115c8e1e76210820e0146bc3a5
According to Associated Press elections data, more than 153 million ballots were cast in this year’s race between Republican Donald Trump, now the president-elect, and Democrat Kamala Harris, the vice president, with hundreds of thousands of more still being tallied in slower-counting states such as California. When those ballots are fully tabulated, the number of votes will come even closer to the 158 million in the 2020 presidential contest, which was the highest turnout election since women were given the right to vote more than a century ago.
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It's pretty simple, and you know it.
When I lived in San Franciscoin 2008, there were a decent amount of precincts but the city has 800,000 people. When I went to vote, I had to wait in line for 30 minutes or so.
When we moved to Healdsburg for 2012, there were 2 precincts but for a town of 10,000. When I went in to vote, there was nobody else there.
You can bloviate all you want about civic duty and do what you need to do in order to vote, but this is a simple statistical problem. If you make it twice as hard to vote, some percentage of people won't be able to get over the hump and cast that ballot. And the GOP knows this, and will go about designing rules that make it easier to vote in GOP leaning areas than Democratic leaning areas. The results will follow.
They make it harder for Democrats to vote in Texas for sure.
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Nothing sexist about sharing that.
Oh I’d hit it…
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Oh I’d hit it…
Super not sexist!
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Nm
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I remember MN griping about 'ballot harvesting' benefiting Democrats. There were other special pandemic rules that made it easier to vote and easier to cure ballots with problems.
If it's easier to vote, if there are fewer hoops to jump through, this tends to help Democrats more than Republicans.
My impression is that Democrat turnout was down in blue and red states. They won blue states by narrower margins. They lost red states by bigger margins. They lost swing states they previously won.
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Perfect.
Election security favored one party over the other. Wtf were they thinking ? 😂
"Special rules", lol, made it easier to favor Democrats. 😂
Good grief man. You complained incessantly that the pandemic rules gave Democrats an unfair advantage.
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Good grief man. You complained incessantly
fixed. Grandpa Simpson got nothing on Mn
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High turnout doesn't necessarily benefit Democrats over Republicans. Who benefits depends on where the higher turn out is. Higher turnout in densely populated urban areas is going to benefit Democrats.
It's generally a lot more hassle to vote in person in densely populated urban areas. Make it easier to vote by mail, by collection boxes, by ballot harvesting, by in person early voting, and so on is going to increase turnout in urban areas, and benefit Democrats.
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Good grief man. You complained incessantly that the pandemic rules gave Democrats an unfair advantage.
It appears that’s still what he’s saying.
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I remember MN griping about 'ballot harvesting' benefiting Democrats. There were other special pandemic rules that made it easier to vote and easier to cure ballots with problems.
If it's easier to vote, if there are fewer hoops to jump through, this tends to help Democrats more than Republicans.
My impression is that Democrat turnout was down in blue and red states. They won blue states by narrower margins. They lost red states by bigger margins. They lost swing states they previously won.
The “turnout” was so big because the bull shit pandemic special rules allowed for a bunch of fuckery. Almost like it was….planned!
Don’t see how making it easier to vote, like actually vote, helps democrats. Aren’t they super smart and educated? What you mean is they just made it easier to cheat. Which is why we had 10 million or whatever more votes than any other year in a campaign between two awful candidates. And then it went back to normal when there was more security.
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The “turnout” was so big because the bull shit pandemic special rules allowed for a bunch of fuckery. Almost like it was….planned!
Don’t see how making it easier to vote, like actually vote, helps democrats. Aren’t they super smart and educated? What you mean is they just made it easier to cheat. Which is why we had 10 million or whatever more votes than any other year in a campaign between two awful candidates. And then it went back to normal when there was more security.
Delusional.
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The “turnout” was so big because the bull shit pandemic special rules allowed for a bunch of fuckery. Almost like it was….planned!
Don’t see how making it easier to vote, like actually vote, helps democrats. Aren’t they super smart and educated? What you mean is they just made it easier to cheat. Which is why we had 10 million or whatever more votes than any other year in a campaign between two awful candidates. And then it went back to normal when there was more security.
shit post
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Delusional.
Delusional is thinking 10 million plus more people showed up to vote during a pandemic because it was “easier”
Half the country could barely go out to eat or get a haircut. The relaxed restrictions ray mentioned allowed rampant BS to happen. They mysteriously disappeared in 2024.
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Delusional is thinking 10 million plus more people showed up to vote during a pandemic because it was “easier”
Half the country could barely go out to eat or get a haircut. The relaxed restrictions ray mentioned allowed rampant BS to happen. They mysteriously disappeared in 2024.
Not sure the actual numbers jive with this narrative
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Half the country could barely go out to eat or get a haircut. The relaxed restrictions ray mentioned allowed rampant BS to happen. They mysteriously disappeared in 2024.
Voting takes time. In big cities, it can take a LOT of time. In 2020, we couldn't go out to eat or get a haircut. So people had a lot of time on their hands.
Side note: If you cooked at home instead of eating out, maybe you'd be a billionaire and not be so fat.
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Only in the US with the most advanced voting machines does it take ages to get votes counted. Especially California, the hub of everything wrong with America.
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Voting takes time. In big cities, it can take a LOT of time. In 2020, we couldn't go out to eat or get a haircut. So people had a lot of time on their hands.
Side note: If you cooked at home instead of eating out, maybe you'd be a billionaire and not be so fat.
I post more pictures of me cooking at home than anyone else here, which is why I’m so fat. PAMan and JJ had to escort me to the stadium in my Rascal when we tailgated.
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"Special rules" in Wisconsin placed ballot boxes across the state for 2020. The court, well after the election, said the boxes were unconstitutional.
Wisconsin vastly expanded their "indefinitely confined" voter designation with a "special rule" that bypassed voter ID. The expansion was so "special" that no other states did it.
Georgia election laws were modified by a "special rule" between the SoS and an outside group that bypassed the legislature, the group tasked with election laws.
A group is still trying to get ballot data from Fulton Co Ga. for the 2020 election. Fulton Co has fought tooth and nail to prevent anyone from the ballot data. Maricopa Co Az has been doing the same thing.
Atlanta lost the All Star game because their Jim Crowe2 laws were said to be so egregious. The laws were more lenient in some aspects than in Biden's home state of Delaware, but that didn't matter.
A "special rule" memo went out to county election precincts in Pa about changes in the "curing" process. It only went to Democrat precincts.
Minnesota tried to put in a "special rule" but the courts struck it down.
Eric Coomer, Dominion's director of product strategy and security, is alleged to have said "Don't worry about the election. Trump is not going to win, I made fucking sure of that. Hahaha."
A private company controls the voting systems for the entire country and a director allegedly said that they essentially have control over election results.
Don't bother trying to get into Dominion's systems to analyze data.
Countries across the globe require voter ID and have essentially immediate election results. We're told that Voter ID is not fair, it's racist etc and mail-in ballots don't necessarily require a postmark, can be received days late and it may take up to a month to count the ballots.
"Special rules" you know.
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Wasn't the lower turnout in the Blue enclaves?
They didn't feel the need to protect the United States from Trump, the existential threat to democracy.
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They didn't feel the need to protect the United States from Trump, the existential threat to democracy.
They knew he wasn't going to win their area or state, but he got closer as a result.
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The turnout ended up being down 5 million? In a nation of over 300 million people? Doesn't seem like that much statistically speaking. It was 2 percentage points of registered voters.
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They knew he wasn't going to win their area or state, but he got closer as a result.
They stayed home because their vote to save the country from the threat to democracy wasn't needed. Even tho it's easy to vote. 👍
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The “turnout” was so big because the bull shit pandemic special rules allowed for a bunch of fuckery. Almost like it was….planned!
Don’t see how making it easier to vote, like actually vote, helps democrats. Aren’t they super smart and educated? What you mean is they just made it easier to cheat. Which is why we had 10 million or whatever more votes than any other year in a campaign between two awful candidates. And then it went back to normal when there was more security.
That's definitely one way to look at it. I thought that is what Mn is saying. Now he is mocking me for pointing it out.
To clarify, I don't think making it easy to vote necessarily helps Democrats per se. I do think it helps turnout in urban areas. For whatever reasons, people in urban areas tend to vote Democrat by large margins. High turnout in urban areas is good for Democrats.
Another thing that affected the vote count in 2020, is most (not all) states counted in person ballots first. Democrats encouraged voters to use mail in ballots. Trump told his people to vote in person.
Trump's votes got counted, giving him a lead. Then the mail in and drop box ballots got counted, erasing the lead.
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Delusional is thinking 10 million plus more people showed up to vote during a pandemic because it was “easier”
They didn't have to show up. They could mail in ballots and had extra time to be counted. There were processes to cure mail ins with mistakes. There were extra drop boxes. Liberalized ballot collection was allowed. There was early voting at convenient locations.
All the things Republicans claimed would lead to fraud. Yet they investigated and the only cases of fraud they found were minor and by Republicans.
They used their suspicion of fraud to pass a bunch of unnecessary election security laws.
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They stayed home because their vote to save the country from the threat to democracy wasn't needed. Even tho it's easy to vote. 👍
So I guess tough election security laws had no effect?
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Eric Coomer, Dominion's director of product strategy and security, is alleged to have said "Don't worry about the election. Trump is not going to win, I made fucking sure of that. Hahaha."
CLAIM: A Dominion Voting Systems employee named Eric Coomer said on an “antifa conference call” prior to the 2020 election, “Don’t worry about the election, Trump’s not gonna win. I made f-----g sure of that!”
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. There is no evidence of Coomer saying this, and he has denied it in a sworn declaration. Joseph Oltmann, a conservative podcaster, first made the claim six days after the 2020 election on his show, but also said at the time he couldn’t be certain it was Coomer who made the statement. He has not presented credible evidence to corroborate the claim. Coomer has since filed five defamation lawsuits related to these allegations.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-eric-coomer-dominion-election-2020-468638739657
Do people ever get tired of being lied to? A big pile of BS is still BS.
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A "special rule" memo went out to county election precincts in Pa about changes in the "curing" process. It only went to Democrat precincts.
This too is BS. PA law allows (or allowed) each county to decide if voters can cure mail in ballots with minor errors, and what the process is.
"Then there's the "fixing" or "curing" of ballots with minor errors, such as a mail-in ballot mixing a signature. If a ballot has errors, each county in the state decides on its own whether it will let voters "fix" them, creating significant differences in voting policy throughout the state. (Most states have a statewide policy for curing ballots.)"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/pennsylvania-voting-laws-certification-lawsuits-rcna178478
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This too is BS. PA law allows (or allowed) each county to decide if voters can cure mail in ballots with minor errors, and what the process is.
"Then there's the "fixing" or "curing" of ballots with minor errors, such as a mail-in ballot mixing a signature. If a ballot has errors, each county in the state decides on its own whether it will let voters "fix" them, creating significant differences in voting policy throughout the state. (Most states have a statewide policy for curing ballots.)"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/pennsylvania-voting-laws-certification-lawsuits-rcna178478
"Each county in the state decides ......."
I'm guessing that decision shouldn't involve Democratic precincts receiving a memo about curing, but not the Republican precincts.
The NBC article may be more than happy to inform you that each county can make a decision.
Not informing you that the curing memo was not sent county wide is a separate issue.
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They didn't have to show up. They could mail in ballots and had extra time to be counted. There were processes to cure mail ins with mistakes. There were extra drop boxes. Liberalized ballot collection was allowed. There was early voting at convenient locations.
All the things Republicans claimed would lead to fraud. Yet they investigated and the only cases of fraud they found were minor and by Republicans.
They used their suspicion of fraud to pass a bunch of unnecessary election security laws.
Not opening any election cases is a good way to not find evidence.
I've read that there was not 1 case opened by a US Attorney's office. A case would be in the various US Attorney data bases.
No state wants their Federal elections questioned. No state wants to redo their part of a Federal election.
Fulton Co Ga still is not cooperating with the court ordered ballot data.
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Fulton Co Ga still is not cooperating with the court ordered ballot data.
wtf?
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wtf?
It's my understanding that this is still an open case.
This article from June indicates that Fulton Co was hoping to destroy the ballots.
I suppose a skeptic may wonder why Fulton Co is fighting so hard in light of the Fani Willis Trump case. Or maybe even the results of the 2020. Nah, don't even go there.
(https://i.ibb.co/tscZ2cK/Screenshot-20241220-120340-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FwJsYJ3)
https://www.georgiarecord.com/election-integrity/2024/06/26/fulton-county-moves-to-destroy-2020-election-ballots/
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"Each county in the state decides ......."
I'm guessing that decision shouldn't involve Democratic precincts receiving a memo about curing, but not the Republican precincts.
The NBC article may be more than happy to inform you that each county can make a decision.
Not informing you that the curing memo was not sent county wide is a separate issue.
I can't find anything about that. If it happened; the impact was infinitesimal.
Trump's people were upset because statewide guidance to counties was applied unevenly.
"The night before the election, Jonathan Marks, deputy secretary for elections and commissions at the Pennsylvania Department of State, sent an email to all county elections officials clarifying what they should do with ballots set aside due to errors when they began pre-canvassing the following morning."
'In some counties, elections officials directly contacted voters about defective ballots; other counties notified the county’s political parties, who could then in turn contact voters."
"Some counties didn’t do any curing at all."
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/ballot-curing-in-pennsylvania/
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I can't find anything about that. If it happened; the impact was infinitesimal.
Trump's people were upset because statewide guidance to counties was applied unevenly.
"The night before the election, Jonathan Marks, deputy secretary for elections and commissions at the Pennsylvania Department of State, sent an email to all county elections officials clarifying what they should do with ballots set aside due to errors when they began pre-canvassing the following morning."
'In some counties, elections officials directly contacted voters about defective ballots; other counties notified the county’s political parties, who could then in turn contact voters."
"Some counties didn’t do any curing at all."
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/ballot-curing-in-pennsylvania/
It got caught before the election.
No. Republican party election workers became aware of a memo sent to Democrat precincts only in some counties.
What the dude sent out the night before the election does not at all address the preferential curing memo. The Democrat precinct only curing memo had already been addressed.
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It got caught before the election.
No. Republican party election workers became aware of a memo sent to Democrat precincts only in some counties.
I can't find anything resembling this.
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I can't find anything resembling this.
It’s possible he is using a browser or search engine that doesn’t actively suppress information that doesn’t fit the mainstream narrative.
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It’s possible he is using a browser or search engine that doesn’t actively suppress information that doesn’t fit the mainstream narrative.
He can always share the link.
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"Special rules" in Wisconsin placed ballot boxes across the state for 2020. The court, well after the election, said the boxes were unconstitutional.
Wisconsin vastly expanded their "indefinitely confined" voter designation with a "special rule" that bypassed voter ID. The expansion was so "special" that no other states did it.
Georgia election laws were modified by a "special rule" between the SoS and an outside group that bypassed the legislature, the group tasked with election laws.
A group is still trying to get ballot data from Fulton Co Ga. for the 2020 election. Fulton Co has fought tooth and nail to prevent anyone from the ballot data. Maricopa Co Az has been doing the same thing.
Atlanta lost the All Star game because their Jim Crowe2 laws were said to be so egregious. The laws were more lenient in some aspects than in Biden's home state of Delaware, but that didn't matter.
A "special rule" memo went out to county election precincts in Pa about changes in the "curing" process. It only went to Democrat precincts.
Minnesota tried to put in a "special rule" but the courts struck it down.
Eric Coomer, Dominion's director of product strategy and security, is alleged to have said "Don't worry about the election. Trump is not going to win, I made fucking sure of that. Hahaha."
A private company controls the voting systems for the entire country and a director allegedly said that they essentially have control over election results.
Don't bother trying to get into Dominion's systems to analyze data.
Countries across the globe require voter ID and have essentially immediate election results. We're told that Voter ID is not fair, it's racist etc and mail-in ballots don't necessarily require a postmark, can be received days late and it may take up to a month to count the ballots.
"Special rules" you know.
summary - you are upset that some people voted, not upset that some other people voted. Doesn't take 8 paragraphs to say that.
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Delusional.
It’s become quite obvious. He thinks 1/6 wasn’t an actual MAGA insurrection. Or that it’s “unknowable.”
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It’s become quite obvious. He thinks 1/6 wasn’t an actual MAGA insurrection. Or that it’s “unknowable.”
It’s less mysterious than the pallets of bricks that showed up at the mostly peaceful protests the summer prior, but it’s not as simple as “MAGA supporters were whipped into a frenzy by Trump and stormed the Capitol.” Anyone can put on a MAGA hat and jeans.
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“Anyone!” Lol
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Jesus Christ. Someone get Custard some mental health help.
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One of these days hopefully you’ll learn to trust that I am right, which will save you all the years of arguing before you inevitably realize it.
https://x.com/dschlopesisback/status/1852583231809376491?s=46
https://x.com/real_robn/status/1867732273166230015?s=46
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Again, delusional. Seek mental help. But seriously, what are your thoughts on the moon landing and Vietnam being started over a bet?
So Trump don’t rile up thousands of his supporters but this guy managed to?
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(https://i.postimg.cc/mr0P0Yry/IMG-9885.png) (https://postimg.cc/1grRFNw8)
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Looks like the perfect fall guy to me…
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I have zero doubts Trump, Carlson, Gaetz and the other traitors would gladly sacrifice one of their own to the cause.
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One of these days hopefully you’ll learn to trust that I am right, which will save you all the years of arguing before you inevitably realize it.
https://x.com/dschlopesisback/status/1852583231809376491?s=46
https://x.com/real_robn/status/1867732273166230015?s=46
They could tell the undercover guys because they wore their hats backwards?
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Again, delusional. Seek mental help. But seriously, what are your thoughts on the moon landing and Vietnam being started over a bet?
So Trump don’t rile up thousands of his supporters but this guy managed to?
And Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone and there was a “magic bullet”
MK Ultra and Project Northwoods were conspiracy theories until they weren’t
But it was probably harder to fake the moon landing than to just go there even though it’s hard to believe we had the technology to pull it off back then
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(https://i.postimg.cc/mr0P0Yry/IMG-9885.png) (https://postimg.cc/1grRFNw8)
What happened to his suit against Fox?
Who was paying for his high profile defense attorneys?
You think the feds aren’t gonna have a backstory and red herrings to prevent their agent provocateurs from being exposed? Give me a break
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What happened to his suit against Fox?
Who was paying for his high profile defense attorneys?
You think the feds aren’t gonna have a backstory and red herrings to prevent their agent provocateurs from being exposed? Give me a break
All the cases filed against Fox News by.individuals were dismissed on free speech grounds. Epps failed to prove actual malice by Tucker Carlson. TC was just voicing his opinion, albeit unfounded.
Epps lost his ranch, business, and home. He is living in a motor home, hiding out in a remote area. There is no actual evidence he was even a CI.
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Epps lost his ranch, business, and home. He is living in a motor home, hiding out in a remote area. There is no actual evidence he was even a CI.
Yeah, but other than that he got off scot-free…
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It’s less mysterious than the pallets of bricks that showed up at the mostly peaceful protests the summer prior, but it’s not as simple as “MAGA supporters were whipped into a frenzy by Trump and stormed the Capitol.” Anyone can put on a MAGA hat and jeans.
then clearly no need to pardon any of these antifa agitators
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then clearly no need to pardon any of these antifa agitators
Need them running amuck in the streets so Trump can generate outrage about them.
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https://youtu.be/c7nf3IvRY_E
Never thought I’d see the day when SAS was actually right with his hot takes.
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Fuck this is funny
https://youtu.be/xVPPvsohtJo
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He thinks nothing is more American than selling out to the Saudis, so that checks out.
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“Anyone!” Lol
There were literally FBI informants in MAGA hats and jeans inside the Capitol. And the FBI Director pled the fifth several times when questioned under oath about it the last several years.
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There were literally FBI informants in MAGA hats and jeans inside the Capitol. And the FBI Director pled the fifth several times when questioned under oath about it the last several years.
You clearing do not understand what is a Confidential Informant. They are not undercover FBI agents. They are not placed. They volunteer or are recruited from within.
In other words, they were actual maga people who became concerned about the direction and volunteered to become a CI. Or else maybe they were busted for something and agreed to flip and become a CI.
If the FBI didn't have CIs within the maga movements; they weren't doing their job. Of course they did..
The probably have CIs within BLM and Antifa too..
Notice the word Confidential?
adjective
intended to be kept secret.
They don't announce CIs
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But 1/6 was a conspiracy to make Trump and his supporters look bad…
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There were literally FBI informants in MAGA hats and jeans inside the Capitol. And the FBI Director pled the fifth several times when questioned under oath about it the last several years.
I'd like to read the source materials on the FBI director pleading the 5th.
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I'd like to read the source materials on the FBI director pleading the 5th.
Wray was asked directly if it had happened. I suppose that he could have said "no" but rather replied that he couldn't answer the question due to the ongoing investigation.
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Wray was asked directly if it had happened. I suppose that he could have said "no" but rather replied that he couldn't answer the question due to the ongoing investigation.
Kind of like Trump's taxes.
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Or Hunter's.
Or neither Trump's or Hunter's taxes
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I think what the Republicans want is for the FBI and Jan 6 Committee to disclose the names of Confidential Informants and other witnesses that testified anonymously.
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I think what the Republicans want is for the FBI and Jan 6 Committee to disclose the names of Confidential Informants and other witnesses that testified anonymously.
Nope.
But the witness testimony that wasn't included in the Hollywood productions, like the rebuttals from the Secret Service agents in the SUV, may have been helpful.
Or why none of the "informants" who entered the Capitol or any restricted areas weren't charged.
Or why phone electronics communications, such as texts, were wiped at the direction of the Secret Service and not due to individual agents deciding to wipe their phones.
Or any testimony, other than Ms. Hutchinson's, regarding the authorship of Eric Herschmann's note.
Or why FBI 302s that may have contained exculpatory evidence regarding other defendants wasn't presented.
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Nope
Yep. That is my opinion.
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I think what the Republicans want is for the FBI and Jan 6 Committee to disclose the names of Confidential Informants and other witnesses that testified anonymously.
Would love to know the role they played in the situation. Wouldn’t you?! Transparency is a good thing…
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Would love to know the role they played in the situation. Wouldn’t you?! Transparency is a good thing…
Don't hold your breath.
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Or Hunter's.
Or neither Trump's or Hunter's taxes
Hunter actually faced consequences for his tax issues. And he didn’t run for anything. Much less POTUS.
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Meanwhile, no one is concerned about the role Trump and his MAGA crowd played in the events.
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Hunter actually faced consequences for his tax issues. And he didn’t run for anything. Much less POTUS.
His 2014 and 2015 years weren't included due to the prosecutors letting the statute of limitations end those.
The Burisma tears may have included Joe.
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Meanwhile, no one is concerned about the role Trump and his MAGA crowd played in the events.
Every Democrat in the world is/was…
What the fuck are you smoking?!
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Meanwhile, a guy found guilty of sexual abuse in civil court, and recently convicted of like 34 felonies will waltz into the White House in about 4 weeks.
But what about Hunter Biden? That’s who we should be hyper-focused on.
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Every Democrat in the world is/was…
What the fuck are you smoking?!
I’m talking about you genital obsessed conspiracy theorists who think Trump and his MAGATs bear no responsibility for 1/6.
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It’s all just a big frame job and conspiracy theory to you nutjobs.
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Wray was asked directly if it had happened. I suppose that he could have said "no" but rather replied that he couldn't answer the question due to the ongoing investigation.
Doesn't sound like that is a 5th Amendment issue.
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Meanwhile, a guy found guilty of sexual abuse in civil court, and recently convicted of like 34 felonies will waltz into the White House in about 4 weeks.
But what about Hunter Biden? That’s who we should be hyper-focused on.
You misspelled liable and he's not a convicted felon until sentencing.
And from what the WSJ and Robert Hur said somebody should have waltzed in a loooong time ago rather than everybody telling the world that things with Biden were hunky dory.
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Doesn't sound like that is a 5th Amendment issue.
True.
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Would love to know the role they played in the situation. Wouldn’t you?! Transparency is a good thing…
Transparent secret sources?
https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/probation-and-pretrial-services/post-conviction-supervision/overview-probation-and-supervised-release-conditions/chapter-2-acting-confidential-human-source-informant-probation-and/#:~:text=A%20confidential%20human%20source%20or%20informant%20is%20a%20defendant%20who,law%20enforcement%20or%20intelligence%20agency.
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/confidential-informant#:~:text=A%20CONFIDENTIAL%20INFORMANT%20IS%20A,POLICE%20OR%20LAW%20ENFORCEMENT%20AGENT.
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Transparent secret sources?
https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/probation-and-pretrial-services/post-conviction-supervision/overview-probation-and-supervised-release-conditions/chapter-2-acting-confidential-human-source-informant-probation-and/#:~:text=A%20confidential%20human%20source%20or%20informant%20is%20a%20defendant%20who,law%20enforcement%20or%20intelligence%20agency.
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/confidential-informant#:~:text=A%20CONFIDENTIAL%20INFORMANT%20IS%20A,POLICE%20OR%20LAW%20ENFORCEMENT%20AGENT.
Or… corruption and distrust of our government and their special interests.
I know that might seem absurd to you but if you don’t think they do shit like this/that, your head is buried in the sand…
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Just like the private sector, the government is made up of humans.
I used to distrust the government and trusted private enterprise. I figured the latter would act in their own interests by putting their customers first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_corporate_collapses_and_scandals
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I just want to hear MN’s take on those confidential informant hookers who entrapped Matt Gaetz
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Left for 4 years: “Jan 6 was MAGA supporters whipped into a frenzy by Trump who stormed the Capitol as his behest”
People who aren’t ideologically captured: “There were clearly other groups represented. It wasn’t a homogeneous group. There were feds there, etc”
Left: “Get mental help, you’re delusional!”
Fast forward to the end of 2024 and now we know there were FBI informants IN THE CAPITOL and all you fact deniers are backpedaling as fast as you can to come up with reasons why it was a good thing.
Can’t make this shit up, folks. Tip of the cap to the truly brainwashed and unwoke on the left.
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Left for 4 years: “Jan 6 was MAGA supporters whipped into a frenzy by Trump who stormed the Capitol as his behest”
People who aren’t ideologically captured: “There were clearly other groups represented. It wasn’t a homogeneous group. There were feds there, etc”
Left: “Get mental help, you’re delusional!”
Fast forward to the end of 2024 and now we know there were FBI informants IN THE CAPITOL and all you fact deniers are backpedaling as fast as you can to come up with reasons why it was a good thing.
Can’t make this shit up, folks. Tip of the cap to the truly brainwashed and unwoke on the left.
whatever, go venmo your 17 year old hooker so you can be Attorney General!
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Left for 4 years: “Jan 6 was MAGA supporters whipped into a frenzy by Trump who stormed the Capitol as his behest”
People who aren’t ideologically captured: “There were clearly other groups represented. It wasn’t a homogeneous group. There were feds there, etc”
Left: “Get mental help, you’re delusional!”
Fast forward to the end of 2024 and now we know there were FBI informants IN THE CAPITOL and all you fact deniers are backpedaling as fast as you can to come up with reasons why it was a good thing.
Can’t make this shit up, folks. Tip of the cap to the truly brainwashed and unwoke on the left.
Big Lie 2.0
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You can lead a horse to the water.
One last time. CIs are not law enforcement officers.
They are not undercover officers.
They are not plants.
They are not agents provocateur.
In this case, they would be magats who flipped, or possibly friends or family members of magats who.provided an FBI contact with information..
There is no evidence that FBI agents infiltrated maga and or instigated violence to make maga look bad.
This is just another nothing burger.
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You can lead a horse to the water.
One last time. CIs are not law enforcement officers.
They are not undercover officers.
They are not plants.
They are not agents provocateur.
In this case, they would be magats who flipped, or possibly friends or family members of magats who.provided an FBI contact with information..
There is no evidence that FBI agents infiltrated maga and or instigated violence to make maga look bad.
This is just another nothing burger.
They weren’t “magats who flipped or friends or family of magats” they were criminals who were spying on American citizens for the FBI in exchange for leniency.
So basically heroes in your book. Like Ray Epps.
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They weren’t “magats who flipped or friends or family of magats” they were criminals who were spying on American citizens for the FBI in exchange for leniency.
So basically heroes in your book. Like Ray Epps.
Epps is no Gaetz, for sure.
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Epps is no Gaetz, for sure.
I read on the internet that Epps controls all the weather.
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I read on the internet that Epps controls all the weather.
Only to the extent that I let him.
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They weren’t “magats who flipped or friends or family of magats” they were criminals who were spying on American citizens for the FBI in exchange for leniency.
Same difference
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Same difference
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It’s crazy how strong you have to mix the kool-aid to think 1/6 was some effort to make Trump and his supporters look bad. Covid conspiracies make way more sense.
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Just like the private sector, the government is made up of humans.
I used to distrust the government and trusted private enterprise. I figured the latter would act in their own interests by putting their customers first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_corporate_collapses_and_scandals
https://x.com/thomassowell/status/1871692334687023482?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Just like the private sector, the government is made up of humans.
I used to distrust the government and trusted private enterprise. I figured the latter would act in their own interests by putting their customers first.
May 1. ""Oh. We're fucked."
https://x.com/i/status/1870349914498044133
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May 1. ""Oh. We're fucked."
https://x.com/i/status/1870349914498044133
We're probably fucked when people look to comedians for insight.
There have been plenty of private sector scams and scandals. That was the point I was making. Conservatives act like it's private sector good, government bad.
Most, if not all of the recent government corruption and scandals have been associated with Republicans.
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We're probably fucked when people look to comedians for insight.
There have been plenty of private sector scams and scandals. That was the point I was making. Conservatives act like it's private sector good, government bad.
Most, if not all of the recent government corruption and scandals have been associated with Republicans.
Lindy Li is hardly a comedian, if that's who you're referring to.
And yes, most of the scandals can be attributed to conservatives if you dismiss the ones done by liberals.
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It's interesting we heard so much bs about Tim Walz leaving the National Guard to run for office; very little about JD Vance's association with AcreTrader and AppHarvest.
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Lindy Li is hardly a comedian, if that's who you're referring to.
And yes, most of the scandals can be attributed to conservatives if you dismiss the ones done by liberals.
How many members of recent administrations were charged, indicted, or convicted of crimes? Or granted pardons? How many recent Presidents were were indicted or convicted of crimes? Or held civilly liable? Those are fair, objective standards.
That's not ignoring anything.
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How many members of recent administrations were convicted of crimes. Or granted pardoned. How many recent Presidents were were indicted or convicted of crimes? Or held civilly liable? Those are fair, objective standards.
That's not ignoring anything.
Still plenty of time to go here
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How many members of recent administrations were charged, indicted, or convicted of crimes? Or granted pardons? How many recent Presidents were were indicted or convicted of crimes? Or held civilly liable? Those are fair, objective standards.
That's not ignoring anything.
Whatever you say. Anything else come to mind ?
I think you dismissed Lindy Li's comments.
Lol
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Whatever you say. Anything else come to mind ?
I think you dismissed Lindy Li's comments.
Lol
Biden wasn't the first aging President with possible impairments. Reagan allegedly had Alzheimer's.
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I am not seeing any named sources for these stories about Biden. Did I miss something?
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Biden wasn't the first aging President with possible impairments. Reagan allegedly had Alzheimer's.
What’s your point?
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I am not seeing any named sources for these stories about Biden. Did I miss something?
Playing Mn's Game! Well done, Nichi!
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What’s your point?
One point is a person with impairments can apparently serve capably as President..
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Biden wasn't the first aging President with possible impairments. Reagan allegedly had Alzheimer's.
Reagan's presidency and alleged Alzheimer's has absolutely nothing to do with Biden.
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Reagan's presidency and alleged Alzheimer's has absolutely nothing to do with Biden.
Other than the fact that similar allegations are now being made about Biden.
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I am not seeing any named sources for these stories about Biden. Did I miss something?
Lindy Li has a name.
Robert Hur has a name.
The Gold Star family members of those killed at Abbey Gate have put their names on having to wait for Biden to finish his nap at Dover AFB.
Biden tried a televised debate that didn't go very well.
Karine Jean Pierre repeatedly tried to tell the American public that Biden's gaffes on video were fake news.
Someone named IlliniRay tried to tell a small group of morons on a website somewhere that Biden has a stutter.
(https://i.ibb.co/w0rqycc/Screenshot-20241226-135850-Chrome.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
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Reagan's presidency and alleged Alzheimer's has absolutely nothing to do with Biden.
My point to Nichi…
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Lindy Li has a name.
Robert Hur has a name.
The Gold Star family members of those killed at Abbey Gate have put their names on having to wait for Biden to finish his nap at Dover AFB.
Biden tried a televised debate that didn't go very well.
Karine Jean Pierre repeatedly tried to tell the American public that Biden's gaffes on video were fake news.
Someone named IlliniRay tried to tell a small group of morons on a website somewhere that Biden has a stutter.
(https://i.ibb.co/w0rqycc/Screenshot-20241226-135850-Chrome.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Also my point to Nichi…
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Still cracks me up how all the people who consume news that protected Biden at all costs were so shocked at his debate performance. Post-debate Illiniray gave us some excuses, including his own diagnosis of Biden’s cognitive issues.
I think people, particularly the TDS folks, had their heads so buried in the sand because they were offended by the Sleepy Joe stuff that they couldn’t allow themselves to believe that what everyone outside their echo chamber was saying was actually true.
It isn’t that the right wing or moderates (or anyone paying any attention at all) hated Joe Biden by pointing these things out, it’s that making factual statements about the sitting president’s clear cognitive decline was treated with such derision that it made people wonder what the hell was actually happening.
Now we known that there was a very coordinated campaign in which the media was fed the same “Joe is sharp as a tack” talking points, which they parroted at every turn, right up until they literally turned on him and demanded he step down as the candidate. To protect democracy lol.
Exact same situation as the Wuhan lab thing. When the narrative machine is clearly working overtime, it immediately makes me question the motive and pushes me to believe the opposite of what they’re trying to get me to believe.
When it comes to Joe Biden’s cognitive abilities, shall I trust my own lying eyes, or the propaganda wing of the administration? The same news folks told us it was for sure zoonotic and definitely not a lab leak, then eventually said well we don’t actually know and probably never will because China isn’t cooperating.
I don’t know whether it came from the lab or was zoonotic or from Randy fucking a pangolin in China like in the South Park Pandemic Special. I think it’s important that we find out, because the implications of having an engineered virus (that we funded) escaping from a foreign lab in an antagonistic country are fucking
terrifying. It’s orders of magnitude worse than a zoonotic origin. I’m sure the folks in China obfuscating everything are well aware of that fact, even if some folks want to pretend otherwise.
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Even if it was a lab leak, it could be a naturally occuring virus that was mishandled and not engineered.
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Even if it was a lab leak, it could be a naturally occuring virus that was mishandled and not engineered.
Sure.
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Even if it was a lab leak, it could be a naturally occuring virus that was mishandled and not engineered.
I'm not sure that there is much to support that other than "there's always a chance."
Engineering has some structure to it. Doing gain of function research on a naturally occuring virus with some manipulations and running things thru a bunch of humanized mice to see what happens isn't exactly 'engineering'.
I agree that Covid wasn't 'engineered.'
I agree that it was probably mishandled and not deliberate. I sure hope so.
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I don’t know whether it came from the lab or was zoonotic or from Randy fucking a pangolin in China like in the South Park Pandemic Special. I think it’s important that we find out, because the implications of having an engineered virus (that we funded) escaping from a foreign lab in an antagonistic country are fucking
terrifying. It’s orders of magnitude worse than a zoonotic origin. I’m sure the folks in China obfuscating everything are well aware of that fact, even if some folks want to pretend otherwise.
We have to find out because if it's a lab leak we would do... what?
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Still cracks me up how all the people who consume news that protected Biden at all costs were so shocked at his debate performance. Post-debate Illiniray gave us some excuses, including his own diagnosis of Biden’s cognitive issues.
I think people, particularly the TDS folks, had their heads so buried in the sand because they were offended by the Sleepy Joe stuff that they couldn’t allow themselves to believe that what everyone outside their echo chamber was saying was actually true.
It isn’t that the right wing or moderates (or anyone paying any attention at all) hated Joe Biden by pointing these things out, it’s that making factual statements about the sitting president’s clear cognitive decline was treated with such derision that it made people wonder what the hell was actually happening.
Now we known that there was a very coordinated campaign in which the media was fed the same “Joe is sharp as a tack” talking points, which they parroted at every turn, right up until they literally turned on him and demanded he step down as the candidate. To protect democracy lol.
Exact same situation as the Wuhan lab thing. When the narrative machine is clearly working overtime, it immediately makes me question the motive and pushes me to believe the opposite of what they’re trying to get me to believe.
When it comes to Joe Biden’s cognitive abilities, shall I trust my own lying eyes, or the propaganda wing of the administration? The same news folks told us it was for sure zoonotic and definitely not a lab leak, then eventually said well we don’t actually know and probably never will because China isn’t cooperating.
I don’t know whether it came from the lab or was zoonotic or from Randy fucking a pangolin in China like in the South Park Pandemic Special. I think it’s important that we find out, because the implications of having an engineered virus (that we funded) escaping from a foreign lab in an antagonistic country are fucking
terrifying. It’s orders of magnitude worse than a zoonotic origin. I’m sure the folks in China obfuscating everything are well aware of that fact, even if some folks want to pretend otherwise.
I’d take Joe’s struggles with coherency over Trump’s paranoid struggles with megalomania.
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I’d take Joe’s struggles with coherency over Trump’s paranoid struggles with megalomania.
Of course you would. They count on us having the lowest of low bar expectations.
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Of course you would. They count on us having the lowest of low bar expectations.
Not surprising you’d choose a megalomaniac
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Nice of Custard to tell us what we are really thinking. We can just stop posting our thoughts and wait to see what he says about us.
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I’d take Joe’s struggles with coherency over Trump’s paranoid struggles with megalomania.
Trump isn't particularly coherent either. He seems to hold multiple conflicting incorrect positions at the same time.
Plus, we are still waiting for his great healthcare plan, and for Mexico to pay for that wall.
Biden, OTOH, is more of a doer than a talker.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5053542-biden-5-things-accomplishments/
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Not surprising you’d choose a megalomaniac
And I’m the one telling people how they think? You and others fall into the trap of “lesser of two evils” and “whataboutism” that ensures we are stuck in this vicious circle of shitty candidates.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14236081/Biden-obvious-cognitive-decline-underreported-story.html
Jan Crawford, CBS' chief legal correspondent, blasted media that failed to cover his decline – mainly liberal outlets including The Washington Post - until the topic became 'undeniable' during his trainweck debate against Donald Trump.
Crawford, during the year-end correspondents roundtable on CBS' Face the Nation, was asked Sunday morning what the most 'undercovered and underreported' topic was this year.
'That would be, to me, Joe Biden's obvious cognitive decline that became undeniable in the televised debate,' she said. 'Unquestioned.'
The contributor, who has been a regular on CBS News since 2005, cited the Wall Street Journal's explosive investigation earlier this month that exposed an extensive, deliberate White House cover-up to hide Biden's rapidly diminishing mental condition from the public throughout his entire presidency.
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Some downplay; others exaggerate. It's called spin.
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Your bitter hatred of Trump prevents you from having any objectivity whatsoever when it comes to Democrats/media/etc. It’s ok, you’re obviously not alone. But once again Mn and I were pointing this out ages ago and all the left and the media did was hide it and gaslight the rest of us.
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Your bitter hatred of Trump prevents you from having any objectivity whatsoever when it comes to Democrats/media/etc. It’s ok, you’re obviously not alone. But once again Mn and I were pointing this out ages ago and all the left and the media did was hide it and gaslight the rest of us.
Yeah, but Trump played golf all the time.
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Yeah, but Trump played golf all the time.
Mean tweets
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Your hatred of the liberals, minorities, poor people, the disabled, and the elderly blinds you to what Trump is all about. You are okay with him because he hates the same people you hate.
See how easy it is easy to put motives into other's minds?
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Mean tweets
He had Russian prostitutes piss on the bed
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Your hatred of the liberals, minorities, poor people, the disabled, and the elderly blinds you to what Trump is all about. You are okay with him because he hates the same people you hate.
See how easy it is easy to put motives into other's minds?
I’m not sure how this is analogous. Murph, PAit, Alum, etc along with now widening swaths of the center-left have all acknowledged that the situation with Biden’s decline wasn’t handled well. It was whitewashed and covered up. Mn and I were talking about that this spring and summer leading up to the debate and people acted like we were nuts at the time. Pointing that out as a concern isn’t cheerleading for Trump or hatred towards Biden.
You, a normally free thinking person, seem to have a very binary viewpoint on this, where it seems you believe that pointing out the obvious in regards to Biden is seditious and instinctively retort with “what about Trump”
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"...... people acted like we were nuts at the time."
“what about Trump”
I don't think it's ended. 😂
Trump had a direct line to a bank in Russia.
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Democrats didn't turn on Biden until it became obvious he couldn't be reelected. Shocking.
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Democrats didn't turn on Biden until it became obvious he couldn't be reelected. Shocking.
Lol.
An NBC interview 2 weeks before the election.....
"That's why I ask. Can the American people trust you in these moments, even when it's maybe uncomfortable… to level with Americans in that way? So that's why I ask," Jackson said. "And it sounds like what you're saying is you feel like you never saw anything like that from President Biden."
"I have worked with Joe Biden, whether- hours and hours and hours over these four years, whether it be in the Situation Room or the Oval Office… I speak with not only sincerity, but with a real firsthand account of watching him do this work. I have no reluctance in saying that. No, of course I don't." Harris said."
Some of the Democrats turned on Biden after the media started their should have known better apology tour.
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I don't think it's ended. 😂
Trump had a direct line to a bank in Russia.
What that in the Steele dossier?
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And I’m the one telling people how they think? You and others fall into the trap of “lesser of two evils” and “whataboutism” that ensures we are stuck in this vicious circle of shitty candidates.
Custard cries about whataboutism, while employing the use of whataboutism.
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What that in the Steele dossier?
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What that in the Steele dossier?
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An "opposition research project" that was nothing of the sort. The FBI knew it and it was the beginning of the rapid descent of US politics. It will take a long time for the country to recover.
Thanks, Hillary. And thanks to everybody in the Biden administration who knew.
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What that in the Steele dossier?
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Nope. The Alfa Bank story was a different farce than the Steele dossier.
"On August 22, Antonakakis sent a lengthy email to the group expressing more doubts:
Let[‘]s for a moment think of the best case scenario, where we are able to show (somehow) that DNS communication exists between Trump and R[ussia]. How do we plan to defend against the criticism that this is not spoofed traffic we are observing? There is no answer to that. Let’s assume again that they are not smart enough to refute our “best case” scenario. [Tech Executive-I], you do realize that we will have to expose every trick we have in our bag to even make a very weak association? Let[‘]s all reflect upon that for a moment. Sorry folks, but unless we get combine netflow and DNS traffic collected at critical points between suspect organizations, we cannot technically make any claims that would fly public scrutiny.
“The only thing that drives us at this point is that we just do not like [Trump],” Antonakakis added. “This will not fly in eyes of public scrutiny. Folks, I am afraid we have tunnel vision. Time to regroup?”
https://www.thecollegefix.com/georgia-tech-researcher-discussed-using-bag-of-tricks-to-prove-trump-russia-collusion/
The FBI decided they couldn't use the Alfa Bank story but the damage had been done. It was just another arrow in the quiver.
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An "opposition research project" that was nothing of the sort. The FBI knew it and it was the beginning of the rapid descent of US politics. It will take a long time for the country to recover.
Thanks, Hillary. And thanks to everybody in the Biden administration who knew.
Ever hear of The Arkansas Project?
Robert Fiske, Ken Starr, Robert Ray?
Birtherism? The Brody File? Michelle / Michael? The edited speeches? The misquoted book passages? The lies about Valerie Jarrett?
Don't get me started. That crap began my slow transition away from the Republican Party.
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Ever hear of The Arkansas Project?
Robert Fiske, Ken Starr, Robert Ray?
Birtherism? The Brody File? Michelle / Michael? The edited speeches? The misquoted book passages? The lies about Valerie Jarrett?
Don't get me started. That crap began my slow transition away from the Republican Party.
Yet you won’t criticize or even acknowledge when the democrats do it. Just deflect. Just the other day you told us they don’t lie.
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Yet you won’t criticize or even acknowledge when the democrats do it. Just deflect. Just the other day you told us they don’t lie.
Just spin things…
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Just spin things…
I have never seen anything like the lies told about the Obamas. They weren't even good at it, yet idiots believed it.
There is no need to lie about Trump. Just quote him.
Biden is sharp as a tack = spin.
Obama is a Muslim and took the oath with a Koran = lie
Michelle Robinson was Michael and played football for Simeon = lie.
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I have never seen anything like the lies told about the Obamas. They weren't even good at it, yet idiots believed it.
There is no need to lie about Trump. Just quote him.
Biden is sharp as a tack = spin.
Obama is a Muslim and took the oath with a Koran = lie
Michelle Robinson was Michael and played football for Simeon = lie.
Biden sharp as a tack 🟰 LIE
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I have never seen anything like the lies told about the Obamas. They weren't even good at it, yet idiots believed it.
There is no need to lie about Trump. Just quote him.
Biden is sharp as a tack = spin.
Obama is a Muslim and took the oath with a Koran = lie
Michelle Robinson was Michael and played football for Simeon = lie.
You’re quoting fringe right wing stuff. “Biden is sharp as a tack” was blatant left wing establishment fraud repeated by every almost every major news outlet in the country.
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“I don’t know. Is she Indian or is she Black?” “I respect either one, but she obviously doesn’t because she was Indian all the way and then all of the sudden she made a turn and she went, she became a Black person."
“His grandmother in Kenya said, ‘Oh, no, he was born in Kenya and I was there and I witnessed the birth.’ She’s on tape. I think that tape’s going to be produced fairly soon. Somebody is coming out with a book in two weeks, it will be very interesting.”
fringe right wing stuff.
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Biden sharp as a tack 🟰 LIE
Trump.honna build a wall and Mexico gonna pay for it.
spin or lie?
Trump had the greatest economy ever, with the lowest UE ever.
spin or lie? Or just wrong?
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Your bitter hatred of Trump
Can't speak for others, but I work at not harboring bitterness or hatred toward anyone. Sucks that a scoundrel is President, but that is the world we live in. Walking around full of resentment and hostility is not going to make things better.
Namaste
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Mean tweets
More like crude, obnoxious, dishonest, mocking, malicious tweets. Calling them mean is condescending.
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Yeah, but Trump played golf all the time.
I never paid much attention to petty shit like that. However, I am pretty sure this was in response to complaints from Republicans that Obama spent too much time golfing. I could be wrong, but I think it was tit for tat.
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I never paid much attention to petty shit like that. However, I am pretty sure this was in response to complaints from Republicans that Obama spent too much time golfing. I could be wrong, but I think it was tit for tat.
Who minded when Trump was golfing? Meant he was not screwing things up or making bad deals with the Taliban. Kind of like when Biden was napping. Couldn't listen to the dumbass Progressives when he was sleeping.
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Who minded when Trump was golfing? Meant he was not screwing things up or making bad deals with the Taliban. Kind of like when Biden was napping. Couldn't listen to the dumbass Progressives when he was sleeping.
I knew some guys that closed some bidness deals on golf courses.
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I do believe there was collusion on some level between Trump and Russia. Was it some hugely orchestrated master plan? Trump probably wasn’t smart enough for that; but I do remember Trump imploring a foreign country to dig up anything they could on his political opponent, and that alone should have been disqualifying.
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Putin might be smart enough to pull Trump's strings.
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I do believe there was collusion on some level between Trump and Russia. Was it some hugely orchestrated master plan? Trump probably wasn’t smart enough for that; but I do remember Trump imploring a foreign country to dig up anything they could on his political opponent, and that alone should have been disqualifying.
Hillary’s campaign paid a foreign agent to assemble a smoking gun dossier that linked Trump to Russia. It’s been almost entirely debunked. Should she have been disqualified?
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Hillary’s campaign paid a foreign agent to assemble a smoking gun dossier that linked Trump to Russia.
The plan was layered to make it appear as tho it wasn't contracted out foreign interference.
The layering was the Clinton campaign, then Perkins-Coie, then Fusion GPS, and then the foreigner from the UK, the Russian and some foreign bar talk.
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The plan was layered to make it appear as tho it wasn't contracted out foreign interference.
The layering was the Clinton campaign, then Perkins-Coie, then Fusion GPS, and then the foreigner from the UK, the Russian and some foreign bar talk.
When you were posting this stuff years ago I didn’t pay much attention because frankly at that time I just didn’t really care. I didn’t like Trump or the opposition so I just kinda of checked out. It’s only been in the last year or so that I started to wake up to all the actual bullshit that went down. Wonder what they have in store for us the next 4 years?
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When you were posting this stuff years ago I didn’t pay much attention because frankly at that time I just didn’t really care. I didn’t like Trump or the opposition so I just kinda of checked out. It’s only been in the last year or so that I started to wake up to all the actual bullshit that went down. Wonder what they have in store for us the next 4 years?
And the Intelligence (lol) Community knew about it. They let Obama know about it. The FBI knew the Steele dossier was garbage in Jan or early Feb 2017 so they made Danchenko a confidential human source so they could squirrel him away.
Then they started the Mueller smokescreen that couldn't find collusion but Mueller was kind enough to let the country know that Trump wouldn't cooperate in the farce and that was good enough to say that Trump "obstructed" their "investigation."
But Mueller did find a dozen Russkis to indict to make it look good. The 12 Russkis will never, ever set foot in the US for a trial but Mueller had something completely inconsequential to justify the investigation. Russkis indicted and allegations of Trump's obstruction.
And 2018 was the last time I voted for a Democrat. I didn't know enough at that point.
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Hillary’s campaign paid a foreign agent to assemble a smoking gun dossier that linked Trump to Russia. It’s been almost entirely debunked. Should she have been disqualified?
Verbatim from Wikipedia, spin free, I added some paragraphs:
In September 2015, Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative political website, to do opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. In spring 2016, when Trump had emerged as the probable Republican candidate, the Free Beacon stopped funding the investigation into Trump.
From April 2016 through October 2016, the law firm Perkins Coie, on behalf of the Hillary Clinton 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee, retained Fusion GPS to continue opposition research on Trump.
In June 2016, Fusion GPS retained Christopher Steele, a private British corporate intelligence investigator and former MI-6 agent, to research any Russian connections to Trump.
Steele produced a 35-page series of uncorroborated memos from June to December 2016, which became the document known as the Steele dossier.[Fusion GPS provided Marc Elias, the lead election lawyer for Perkins Coie, with the resulting dossier and other research documents.
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https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections
Russian interference operations against the United States during the 2016 presidential election were vast and complex. That is the conclusion drawn by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, as well as by the Department of Justice, the intelligence community, and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, in the course of their respective investigations. The Russian government waged a well-documented, sustained campaign
https://www.gmfus.org/news/fact-sheet-what-we-know-about-russias-interference-operations
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https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections
https://www.gmfus.org/news/fact-sheet-what-we-know-about-russias-interference-operations
Yep. Nice quote. Can't argue with it.
Russia does shit every election. They're not the only ones. But I'm not sure there's any evidence that Russian govt interference mattered diddly squat in the election.
Now, if you want to include Russian citizen interference. That's different.
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A study by Columbia SIPA researchers that examined the impact of Russian internet “trolls” on online betting markets suggests that the trolls’ activity influenced the 2016 U.S. presidential election in the direction of Donald Trump.
https://www.sipa.columbia.edu/news/study-confirms-influence-russian-internet-trolls-2016-election
Mueller concluded that Russian government actors successfully hacked into computers and obtained emails fm people associated with the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party organizations, and then publicly disseminated those materials through various intermediaries, including WikiLeaks, to sow discord in the United States, hurt Clinton and help Trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/05/17/truth-about-russia-trump-2016-election/
OTOH: New Study Shows Online Push by Foreign Disinformation Accounts Didn’t Change Attitudes, Voting Behavior—But Disinformation Effort May Still Have Had Consequences
https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2023/january/exposure-to-russian-twitter-campaigns-in-2016-presidential-race-.html
Conflicting studies on the degree and type of effectiveness of the Internet trolls.
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And while they had you distracted by the fake Russian stuff about Trump the Democrats were doing their very own election interference right here at home, with our own people and government agencies involved.
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And while they had you distracted by the fake Russian stuff about Trump the Democrats were doing their very own election interference right here at home, with our own people and government agencies involved.
Bingo
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Hilarious.
It is as if the DePaul doofus never set foot in the bar bragging.
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And while they had you distracted by the fake Russian stuff about Trump the Democrats were doing their very own election interference right here at home, with our own people and government agencies involved.
So Robert Fiske, Ken Starr, and Robert Ray were part of the Arkansas election interference project?
How about the ten investigations into the 2012 Benghazi attack?
"Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she's untrustable. But no one would have known any of that had happened, had we not fought."
-- Former Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA)
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Hilarious.
It is as if the DePaul doofus never set foot in the bar bragging.
I was told George Soros funded it.
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Hilarious.
It is as if the DePaul doofus never set foot in the bar bragging.
I'm not sure it happened the way you think it did.
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We know there really was an Arkansas Project financed by Richard Mellon Scaife and other wealthy Republicans. The Wikipedia article is an easy read.
This led to the appointment of special prosecutors, the best known was Ken Starr.
Also, McCarty admitted the purpose of the multiple Benghazi hearings was to destroy HRC's approval rating and trust-ability.
So, Republicans are saying Hillary and Mueller and others did the same thing to Trump?
One difference, there was no "Durham" counter investigation. That would have been interesting.
As it stands right now, both Clinton and Trump got nailed for lying about sex. IMO Clinton's perjury charge and Trump's 36 state felonies were / are pretty much BS. Depending on the definition of is.
I do think Smith and Fani had him ....
Another thing. According to the recent SCOTUS decision, was my man tricky Dick immune?
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I'm not sure it happened the way you think it did.
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I am not sure it happened the way he implied it did. In fact, I am pretty sure he is full of shit.
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Trump loves a good old autocracy like Russia. There's never been any need to blackmail him. He yearns for "Strong Man" status. And he (and a growing part of his party) no longer has any use for democracy. Trump sees Putin's Russia as a pretty good model.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DESrx_ysLvm/?igsh=MTJoN25jdXc0cGdu
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Exactly
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I'm not sure it happened the way you think it did.
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I'm sure the doofus pleaded guilty.
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I'm sure the doofus pleaded guilty.
I think the plea was to providing false dates to the FBI about meetings and the FBI said it caused them to miss the chance to interview Mifsud when Mifsud was in DC for a State Dept program.
I suppose that if the FBI wanted to interview Mifsud they could have googled the guy and walked down the street when Mifsud was in town. That's assuming they had an interest in interviewing Mifsud.
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I think the plea was to providing false dates to the FBI about meetings and the FBI said it caused them to miss the chance to interview Mifsud when Mifsud was in DC for a State Dept program.
I suppose that if the FBI wanted to interview Mifsud they could have googled the guy and walked down the street when Mifsud was in town. That's assuming they had an interest in interviewing Mifsud.
I am sure they didn't care....
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I suppose that if the FBI wanted to interview Mifsud they could have googled the guy and walked down the street when Mifsud was in town. That's assuming they had an interest in interviewing Mifsud.
"Papadopoulos’ deception required investigators to scour more than 100,000 emails and gigabytes of data to reconstruct the timeline of his contacts with Russians and Russian intermediaries.
Even after his arrest and plea agreement last year, Goldstein said, Papadopoulos continued to be difficult, only providing information after being confronted with documents such as emails and text messages."
https://apnews.com/article/270300c4ced8471a975303ffad27cad6
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"Papadopoulos’ deception required investigators to scour more than 100,000 emails and gigabytes of data to reconstruct the timeline of his contacts with Russians and Russian intermediaries.
Even after his arrest and plea agreement last year, Goldstein said, Papadopoulos continued to be difficult, only providing information after being confronted with documents such as emails and text messages."
https://apnews.com/article/270300c4ced8471a975303ffad27cad6
A google search and walk down the street could have saved them a lot of time and trouble
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Again, we know the Arkansas Project / Massive Right Wing Conspiracy / multifaceted smear campaign to get Bill and Hillary was real and wildly successful. Some of the principals involved have bragged and laughed about it. One has "moved on" to the other side. Some of the same people were behind the birther crap and the grass roots Tea Party take over of the Republican Party culminating in Trump. They continued to go after SoS and Presidential candidate HRC.
Craig Livingstone and Billy Dale are largely forgotten. The trail of bodies is a faint memory. Still, to this day I know people who think the Clinton Foundation sold Pay to Play access, Hillary gave our Uranium to Russia, and she stored top secret files on a server in her bathroom..
The Clinton Campaign apparently hired Perkins-Coie, a prestigious law firm for a variety of services, including to do opposition research on Trump? A lawyer or lawyers for Perkins,- Coie hired Fusion GPS. "an opposition research and strategic intelligence firm based in Washington, D.C." -- Wikipedia
Fusion GPS previously investigated Trump for the Washington Free Beacon, a far right publication.
Fusion GPS retained Orbis Business Intelligence, a British private intelligence firm founded by former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele.
Then there is Igor Danchenko, a Russian analyst who was apparently a primary source for something called the Steele Dossier.
Opposition research, like a non-disclosure agreement, is not illegal. I don't see a plan to frame Trump, just the usual efforts to dig up dirt.
As far as I know, political smear campaigns, even lying about opponents, is legal. It's called free speech. Slander and libel apparently don't apply in political campaigns.
A lawyer for Perkins-Coie tipped off the FBI about the possible Alfa Bank connection. The FBI investigated, found nothing.
Is there some weird connection to George Papadopoulos in these covert layers?
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A google search and walk down the street could have saved them a lot of time and trouble
I suspect the FBI probably knows what they are doing. If GP wasn't cooperating,; they had no basis to interview the prof, if they even knew exactly where he was. He would have told them to fuck off.
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We all know ratfucking, as Donald Segretti called it, only started with Hillary. Never ever happened before. Ever.
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We all know ratfucking, as Donald Segretti called it, only started with Hillary. Never ever happened before. Ever.
Adams and Jefferson. Hamilton and Burr.
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The problem isn’t that it “never happened” before. It’s that it gets swept under the rug and explained away when Democrats do it, and yes just like Truther stuff and Benghazi people are still repeating lies about Trump and Russia that came from a bunch of phony stuff paid for by Hillary’s campaign. People took that as gospel and are still running with a decade later. But double standard is 100% noted.
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Again, we know the Arkansas Project / Massive Right Wing Conspiracy / multifaceted smear campaign to get Bill and Hillary was real and wildly successful. Some of the principals involved have bragged and laughed about it. One has "moved on" to the other side. Some of the same people were behind the birther crap and the grass roots Tea Party take over of the Republican Party culminating in Trump. They continued to go after SoS and Presidential candidate HRC.
Craig Livingstone and Billy Dale are largely forgotten. The trail of bodies is a faint memory. Still, to this day I know people who think the Clinton Foundation sold Pay to Play access, Hillary gave our Uranium to Russia, and she stored top secret files on a server in her bathroom..
The Clinton Campaign apparently hired Perkins-Coie, a prestigious law firm for a variety of services, including to do opposition research on Trump? A lawyer or lawyers for Perkins,- Coie hired Fusion GPS. "an opposition research and strategic intelligence firm based in Washington, D.C." -- Wikipedia
Fusion GPS previously investigated Trump for the Washington Free Beacon, a far right publication.
Fusion GPS retained Orbis Business Intelligence, a British private intelligence firm founded by former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele.
Then there is Igor Danchenko, a Russian analyst who was apparently a primary source for something called the Steele Dossier.
Opposition research, like a non-disclosure agreement, is not illegal. I don't see a plan to frame Trump, just the usual efforts to dig up dirt.
As far as I know, political smear campaigns, even lying about opponents, is legal. It's called free speech. Slander and libel apparently don't apply in political campaigns.
A lawyer for Perkins-Coie tipped off the FBI about the possible Alfa Bank connection. The FBI investigated, found nothing.
Is there some weird connection to George Papadopoulos in these covert layers?
You were arguing here that Walz should file a libel suit for the Tampon Tim campaign leveled on him by the Trump campaign, but you’ll explain away massive fake documents generated under the guise of authenticity and dropped right before an election as “just a smear campaign, no biggie.” Can’t make this shit up.
It’s well understood the FBI was not and probably still is not a nonpartisan entity in the matters above.
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The problem isn’t that it “never happened” before. It’s that it gets swept under the rug and explained away when Democrats do it, and yes just like Truther stuff and Benghazi people are still repeating lies about Trump and Russia that came from a bunch of phony stuff paid for by Hillary’s campaign. People took that as gospel and are still running with a decade later. But double standard is 100% noted.
Your hatred of Hillary is clearly blinding you.
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Your hatred of Hillary is clearly blinding you.
I am pretty ambivalent toward her. I’m bummed the Democrats couldn’t come up with someone better to beat Trump in 2016. I voted for Gary Johnson in that election.
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I guess I should use the /s.
AFAIK there is pretty much no such thing as libel or slander in political speech. Trump has said there should be, and has talked about changing the law. Hence the irony. We have been over this multiple times.
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massive fake documents generated under the guise of authenticity and dropped right before an election
Huh?
You mean like this:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/
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“We are going to take a strong look at our country’s libel laws, so that when somebody says something that is false and defamatory about someone, that person will have meaningful recourse in our courts ... Our current libel laws are a sham and a disgrace and do not represent American values or American fairness.” -- DJT
It's just fine for Trump to tell lies about his political opponents.
He should sue the Trump campaign for libel. The Tampon Tim ads were knowingly false and malicious. They also lied about his national guard record.
One of the challenges of free speech is there is a right to lie; limited by defamation (libel and slander).
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Political speech seems to be pretty much an anything goes full contact blood sport.
Should deliberately spreading political disinformation be protected free speech?
In the United States it almost always is.
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Again, we know the Arkansas Project / Massive Right Wing Conspiracy / multifaceted smear campaign to get Bill and Hillary was real and wildly successful. Some of the principals involved have bragged and laughed about it. One has "moved on" to the other side. Some of the same people were behind the birther crap and the grass roots Tea Party take over of the Republican Party culminating in Trump. They continued to go after SoS and Presidential candidate HRC.
Craig Livingstone and Billy Dale are largely forgotten. The trail of bodies is a faint memory. Still, to this day I know people who think the Clinton Foundation sold Pay to Play access, Hillary gave our Uranium to Russia, and she stored top secret files on a server in her bathroom..
The Clinton Campaign apparently hired Perkins-Coie, a prestigious law firm for a variety of services, including to do opposition research on Trump? A lawyer or lawyers for Perkins,- Coie hired Fusion GPS. "an opposition research and strategic intelligence firm based in Washington, D.C." -- Wikipedia
Fusion GPS previously investigated Trump for the Washington Free Beacon, a far right publication.
Fusion GPS retained Orbis Business Intelligence, a British private intelligence firm founded by former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele.
Then there is Igor Danchenko, a Russian analyst who was apparently a primary source for something called the Steele Dossier.
Opposition research, like a non-disclosure agreement, is not illegal. I don't see a plan to frame Trump, just the usual efforts to dig up dirt.
As far as I know, political smear campaigns, even lying about opponents, is legal. It's called free speech. Slander and libel apparently don't apply in political campaigns.
A lawyer for Perkins-Coie tipped off the FBI about the possible Alfa Bank connection. The FBI investigated, found nothing.
Is there some weird connection to George Papadopoulos in these covert layers?
A Republican was running against Trump in the primary. A Republican contacted, as you say, a far right publication, to do the opposition research that you refer to as an investigation. The Republican primary challenger no longer needed the services of Fusion GPS when his campaign ended.
Someone contracting with Fusion GPS for Trump opposition before the Clinton campaign involvement is irrelevant.
Regarding that "something called the Steele dossier" it gave the opportunity to surveil a presidential candidate campaign and his presidency. The FBI also wasn't truthful to the FISA Court about Carter Page's status as a source, and that allowed the spying on the campaign.
And "there is Igor Danchenko, a Russian analyst" who may very well be an analyst but he's also not a US citizen. He's a Russian citizen.
I suppose that someone could say the Clinton campaign paid a Russian to dig up dirt and use bar talk from a bar outside the U.S. that proved to be false to effect a Presidential election. I suppose some could also say the Clinton campaign paid for Russian disinformation.
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"While the dossier played a central and essential role in the seeking of FISA warrants on Carter Page, it did not play any role in the January 6, 2017, intelligence community assessment of the Russian actions in the 2016 election, and it was not the trigger for the opening of the Russia investigation into whether the Trump campaign was coordinating with the Russian government's interference in the 2016 presidential election. The dossier is a factor in several conspiracy theories promoted by Trump and his supporters."-- Wikipedia
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"Igor Yurievich Danchenko (born May 5, 1978) is a Russian citizen and U.S. resident currently residing in Virginia who works as a Eurasia political risk, defense and economics analyst. Together with Clifford Gaddy he analyzed Vladimir Putin's 1996 university dissertation and presented examples of plagiarism. In July 2020, Danchenko was revealed to have worked for Christopher Steele's Orbis Business Intelligence as a source for the Steele dossier. In November 2021, he was indicted on charges of lying to the FBI about the identities of his sources but "not about the information [in the dossier] itself". He was acquitted of all charges in October 2022."
"During his trial, two FBI officials revealed that Danchenko was "an uncommonly valuable" confidential human source for several years whose role went far beyond the Steele dossier:
Helson testified that Danchenko's reports as a confidential informant were used by the FBI in 25 investigations and 40 intelligence reports during a nearly four-year period from March 2017 to October 2020.... Danchenko, the FBI agent said, was considered 'a model' informant and 'reshaped the way the U.S. even perceives threats.' Helson said that none of his previous informants had ever had as many sub-sources as Danchenko and that others at the FBI have continued to ask in recent months for Danchenko's assistance amid Russia's invasion of Ukraine."
From Wikipedia
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A Republican was running against Trump in the primary. A Republican contacted, as you say, a far right publication, to do the opposition research that you refer to as an investigation. The Republican primary challenger no longer needed the services of Fusion GPS when his campaign ended.
Someone contracting with Fusion GPS for Trump opposition before the Clinton campaign involvement is irrelevant.
It is relevant because you seemed to be saying Fusion GPS was part of a multi layered plot to frame Trump and conceal Hillary Clinton's involvement. It was Fusion GPS that hired Steele's company.
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It is relevant because you seemed to be saying Fusion GPS was part of a multi layered plot to frame Trump and conceal Hillary Clinton's involvement. It was Fusion GPS that hired Steele's company.
The Clinton campaign had lawyers. Plenty of them and the campaign was not going to simply go out and hire Danchenko, a Russian citizen.
Perkins Coie was the first step in maintaining the veneer of attorney-client privilege. After that it was outsourcing everything internationally.
The Republican primary challenger didn't use a Russian citizen to gather their 'opposition research.'
Fusion GPS is a DC based opposition research company. Anyone, including Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Marxists and morons are able to contract out with them.
What happened before the Clinton campaign involvement is irrelevant.
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"Igor Yurievich Danchenko (born May 5, 1978) is a Russian citizen and U.S. resident currently residing in Virginia who works as a Eurasia political risk, defense and economics analyst. Together with Clifford Gaddy he analyzed Vladimir Putin's 1996 university dissertation and presented examples of plagiarism. In July 2020, Danchenko was revealed to have worked for Christopher Steele's Orbis Business Intelligence as a source for the Steele dossier. In November 2021, he was indicted on charges of lying to the FBI about the identities of his sources but "not about the information [in the dossier] itself". He was acquitted of all charges in October 2022."
"During his trial, two FBI officials revealed that Danchenko was "an uncommonly valuable" confidential human source for several years whose role went far beyond the Steele dossier:
Helson testified that Danchenko's reports as a confidential informant were used by the FBI in 25 investigations and 40 intelligence reports during a nearly four-year period from March 2017 to October 2020.... Danchenko, the FBI agent said, was considered 'a model' informant and 'reshaped the way the U.S. even perceives threats.' Helson said that none of his previous informants had ever had as many sub-sources as Danchenko and that others at the FBI have continued to ask in recent months for Danchenko's assistance amid Russia's invasion of Ukraine."
From Wikipedia
The FBI designated Danchenko as a confidential human source when they found out his story was full of shit. They knew it in Jan or early Feb 2017. Then they designated him a chs to keep the Russian citizen from being exposed to everybody.
"Uncommonly valuable". Lol
Translation: 'the Clinton campaign and the FBI couldn't have done it without him'.
Give him a medal. Hang a banner.
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The FBI designated Danchenko as a confidential human source when they found out his story was full of shit. They knew it in Jan or early Feb 2017. Then they designated him a chs to keep the Russian citizen from being exposed to everybody.
"Uncommonly valuable". Lol
Translation: 'the Clinton campaign and the FBI couldn't have done it without him'.
Give him a medal. Hang a banner.
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Danchenko was a United States resident and senior analyst for the Brookings Institute. He helped expose Trump's buddy Putin as a plagiarist.
Durham tried to nail Danchenko for lying about his sources -- not the content -- for his contribution to the Steele Dossier -- the jury didn't buy it.
Sussmann was acquitted too. Durham did get some low level lawyer for a moot alteration of an email.
Durham's investigation was predicated on false claims by President Trump and his allies beginning in 2017 that the Russia investigation, code-named Crossfire Hurricane, was motivated by a conspiracy by U.S. intelligence or law enforcement agencies. The investigation had found many questionable links between Trump associates and Russian officials and spies and led to the Mueller investigation. The president said the probe was part of a deep state plot and a "hoax" or "witch hunt" that was initiated by his political enemies.
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The New York Times reported that concerns were raised that their efforts were a politicization of the Justice Department to pursue political enemies of the president.
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After three-and-a-half-years, Durham indicted three men. One was an FBI lawyer who pleaded guilty to altering an email that was included in a June 2017 application for a surveillance warrant on a former Trump campaign aide; he was sentenced to probation. The other two men were tried and acquitted. In both trials, Durham alleged the defendants had deceived the FBI but did not allege the FBI acted improperly toward Trump.
-- Wikipedia
Stone, Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Cohen, Kilimnik, van der Zwaan, Papadopoulos
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Danchenko was a United States resident and senior analyst for the Brookings Institute. He helped expose Trump's buddy Putin as a plagiarist.
Durham tried to nail Danchenko for lying about his sources -- not the content -- for his contribution to the Steele Dossier -- the jury didn't buy it.
Sussmann was acquitted too. Durham did get some low level lawyer for a moot alteration of an email.
-- Wikipedia
Stone, Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Cohen, Kilimnik, van der Zwaan, Papadopoulos
Danchenko was, and is, a Russian citizen. He came up with fabrications regarding the Trump campaign that allowed for spying on a Presidential candidate and a sitting President.
How does DC vote in elections ?
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Danchenko was, and is, a Russian citizen. He came up with fabrications regarding the Trump campaign that allowed for spying on a Presidential candidate and a sitting President.
How does DC vote in elections ?
Xenophobic much?
who cares if Danchenko was a Russian Citizen? He was a legal resident of the United States.
He contributed to the Steele Dossier; which was never anything but raw, unsubstantiated allegations. I don't know that fabrications is the correct word. More like rumors, gossip, and exaggerations with underlying elements of fact.
If it was used improperly; which is debatable; that is not on him.
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I know others disagree, but this is persuasive:
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/fbi-wouldve-been-derelict-not-use-steele-dossier-carter-page-fisa-warrant
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who cares if Danchenko was a Russian Citizen? He was a legal resident of the United States.
He contributed to the Steele Dossier; which was never anything but raw, unsubstantiated allegations. I don't know that fabrications is the correct word. More like rumors, gossip, and exaggerations with underlying elements of fact.
If it was used improperly; which is debatable; that is not on him.
If anyone in the Trump campaign was in the same room with a Russian citizen, it was "evidence" of collusion.
The Clinton campaign works with a Russian citizen to effect a Presidential election and it can be considered a good and honest endeavor. And in the process, some of the payments are referred to as "legal fees" involving an opposition research firm.
Have I got it about right ?
If the dossier was used improperly, would that have anything to do with an FBI that was aware of the shortcomings of the dossier in Jan or early Feb 2017 ?
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I know others disagree, but this is persuasive:
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/fbi-wouldve-been-derelict-not-use-steele-dossier-carter-page-fisa-warrant
Again, and again, and again and again.
Clinesmith lied to the FISA court and you come up with an article co-written by someone who, imo, should never be taken seriously that includes "Under FISA, “verification” simply requires both the FBI and lawyers in the Department of Justice to verify that the facts as set forth in the affidavit are supported by evidence obtained as part of the investigation."
This alone, dismisses the entire article.
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If anyone in the Trump campaign was in the same room with a Russian citizen, it was "evidence" of collusion.
Bullshit.
The Clinton campaign works with a Russian citizen to effect a Presidential election
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Fusion GPS hired Steele, who hired Danchenko. Steele testified he didn't know HRC campaign was involved.
According to a published report, when the FBI applied for the warrant, they disclosed that Steele was working for Fusion GPS to investigate/ dig up dirt on Trump.
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Again, and again, and again and again.
Clinesmith lied to the FISA court and you come up with an article co-written by someone who, imo, should never be taken seriously that includes "Under FISA, “verification” simply requires both the FBI and lawyers in the Department of Justice to verify that the facts as set forth in the affidavit are supported by evidence obtained as part of the investigation."
This alone, dismisses the entire article.
That's your opinion. You have a way of stating your personal opinions as facts. What does the Brennan Center say?
Legal opinions aren't black and white.
Clinesmith effed up altering the email.
They thought they had probable cause.
For the most part, they did what they thought was within the law to secure the warrant. Horowitz thought they should have disclosed the connection to HRC. Brennan did not think it was necessary since Steele was not aware of her involvement.
I don't see any layered conspiracy to frame Trump.
I do see Republicans acting as his defense attorneys.
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That's your opinion. You have a way of stating your personal opinions as facts. What does the Brennan Center say?
Legal opinions aren't black and white.
Clinesmith effect up altering the email.
They thought they had probable cause.
For the most part, they did what they thought was within the law to secure the warrant. Horowitz thought they should have disclosed the connection to HRC. Brennan did not think it was necessary since Steele was not aware of her involvement.
I don't see any layered conspiracy to frame Trump.
I do see Republicans acting as his defense attorneys.
When Clinesmith was informed that Carter Page was a governmental source and changed the wording in the communication from was a source to was not a source and presented that to the FISA court , that allowed for the FISA warrant on Page which allowed for surveillance on a Presidential campaign and then on the sitting President.
And then you give me a 2018 article co-authored by Daniel Goldman that includes a sentence that the government needs to be truthful in their presentation to the court.
You mention the different layers in the Clinton campaign, Perkins Coie, Fusion GPS, Orbis, Christopher Steele, Igor Danchenko and his bar talk buddies but don't see a layered conspiracy essentially because the Clinton campaign didn't contract out with Danchenko directly.
You mention that they had probable cause. If they had probable cause to go after Page why did an FBI lawyer feel the need to alter a document to the FISA court ?
From you: "they thought was within the law to secure the warrant."
But get your party hats and noisemakers ready because in less than a week the Democrats will get their wish to finally be able to call Trump a convicted felon as a result of a case with possibly no prosecutorial precedent anywhere. And a case where you even questioned the felony charges.
Unless a court intervenes.
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Bullshit.
The Clinton campaign works with a Russian citizen to effect a Presidential election
Fusion GPS hired Steele, who hired Danchenko. Steele testified he didn't know HRC campaign was involved.
According to a published report, when the FBI applied for the warrant, they disclosed that Steele was working for Fusion GPS to investigate/ dig up dirt on Trump.
“By intentionally obscuring their payments through Perkins Coie and failing to publicly disclose the true purpose of those payments,” the campaign and DNC “were able to avoid publicly reporting on their statutorily required FEC disclosure forms the fact that they were paying Fusion GPS to perform opposition research on Trump with the intent of influencing the outcome of the 2016 presidential election,” the initial complaint had read.
A DNC spokesperson played down the decision, saying: “We settled aging and silly complaints from the 2016 election about ‘purpose descriptions’ in our FEC report.” The lawyer representing both the campaign and the DNC did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-2022-midterm-elections-business-elections-presidential-elections-5468774d18e8c46f81b55e9260b13e93
The Clinton campaign/DNC were fined $113,000 over misuse of the term "legal expenses" in an effort to influence the outcome of a Presidential election.
Trump will be a convicted felon with 34 felony counts, unless courts intervene, on Friday over misuse of the term "legal expenses" in an effort to influence the outcome of a Presidential election.
I know you like Politico so here's a 2016 PoliticoMagazine article with pictures of the Clinton campaign's "well-oiled operation", yeah it says that 😁, headquarters in Brooklyn.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/gallery/2016/07/inside-hillary-clintons-brooklyn-headquarters-000662/?slide=0
I don't need a map to know that the Brooklyn, NY campaign headquarters is in the same state as the state that concocted 34 felony charges for Trump over the term "legal expenses" and election interference.
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That's a huge stretch, but very creative.
I think the election tampering, attack on capital, and classified docs charges were / are serious. The lying about sex and concealing the funds for an NDA as legal expenses, not so much. It does look like an effort to prevent voters from knowing about the sex. Is it common to write off the cost of concealing CEO sexual impropriety as legal expenses? More the 36 counts were because the repayment to the lawyer were spread out to conceal the lump sum to the porn star. Sexual misconduct and NDAs are not illegal
Covering them up might be. Concealing the payment as legal expenses might be. Since a lawyer handled it, I bet this a common mistake, not necessarily a concealment. But, didn't the lawyer confess? Plus, the elaborate repayment scheme and attempt to conceal implied knowledge of guilt
Still, I wouldn't pursued this criminally.
The Clinton Campaign hired a law firm to do opposition research (and other stuff) which hired GPS Fusion, which hired ...
None of that was illegal. Apparently they called it legal expenses? Again, that seems to me like it would be a common mistake. You pay a lawyer, it's legal expenses. Or not?
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Daniel’s is a sleaze ball who was orbiting Trump trying to get famous. When that didn’t work she “came forward” with a BS story for a payday. She had every motivation to make something up. No idea why people assume she’s telling the truth. Well, actually I do know why.
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Daniel’s is a sleaze ball who was orbiting Trump trying to get famous. When that didn’t work she “came forward” with a BS story for a payday. She had every motivation to make something up. No idea why people assume she’s telling the truth. Well, actually I do know why.
Wasn't she "famous" already?
The payment was for an NDA so she would not tell, or sell, the story of her tryst with Trump.
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She admitted she was trying to get close to him hoping that he’d put her on The Apprentice. He did not, and she had to continue on with her porn career. She signed an agreement, under pressure from her own representatives, that said she didn’t actually have sex with Trump. Trump has always vehemently denied any affair and said they paid her off just to stop the extortion that was happening. She sold a book. We all saw what happened to TSJ. The whole thing is ridiculous. No way should 34 felonies be attached to any of it.
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Daniel’s is a sleaze ball who was orbiting Trump trying to get famous. When that didn’t work she “came forward” with a BS story for a payday. She had every motivation to make something up. No idea why people assume she’s telling the truth. Well, actually I do know why.
Possibly because Cohen admitted to paying Stormy Daniels and Trump admitted to authorizing the payments. It takes a special kind of denial to ignore that.
The reason for 34 counts had to with consciously concealing the payments as legal expenses paid to Cohen
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Personally, I don't think they should have pursued it.
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“By intentionally obscuring their payments through Perkins Coie and failing to publicly disclose the true purpose of those payments,” the campaign and DNC “were able to avoid publicly reporting on their statutorily required FEC disclosure forms the fact that they were paying Fusion GPS to perform opposition research on Trump with the intent of influencing the outcome of the 2016 presidential election,” the initial complaint had read.
Civil complaint, not criminal..
There was no elaborate attempt to conceal or launder any bribes, er, NDAs. .
Clinton Campaign paid the fine to settle the case, but did not concede anything.
I am sure you have some other tedious red herrings.
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Possibly because Cohen admitted to paying Stormy Daniels and Trump admitted to authorizing the payments. It takes a special kind of denial to ignore that.
The reason for 34 counts had to with consciously concealing the payments as legal expenses paid to Cohen
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Personally, I don't think they should have pursued it.
Lots and lots of people think they shouldn’t have pursued it. The fact that they did was obvious lawfare and pushed more people toward Trump than away from him. Should have been civil if anything like Hillary’s campaign fine.
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Civil complaint, not criminal..
There was no elaborate attempt to conceal or launder any bribes, er, NDAs. .
Clinton Campaign paid the fine to settle the case, but did concede anything.
I am sure you have some other tedious red herrings.
The FEC charged Clinton. The FEC didn't charge Trump. NDAs are legal.
The state charged Trump. The state didn't charge Clinton.
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The FEC charged Clinton. The FEC didn't charge Trump. NDAs are legal.
The state charged Trump. The state didn't charge Clinton.
I read it that the FEC accused the Clinton Campaign and the DNC of misreporting. Not HRC personally. I don't think there was a criminal charge either. It was a civil penalty.
Also, I read that Cohen pleaded guilty to a criminal charge. Was that the FEC? Or the FBI? The IRS? The SPCA? I don't really give a SHIT. They decided not to charge Trump. Probably because the main witness would have been Cohen..
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Bullshit.
The Clinton campaign works with a Russian citizen to effect a Presidential election
Fusion GPS hired Steele, who hired Danchenko. Steele testified he didn't know HRC campaign was involved.
According to a published report, when the FBI applied for the warrant, they disclosed that Steele was working for Fusion GPS to investigate/ dig up dirt on Trump.
We all know about the Clintons. Such upstanding and trustworthy people…
https://x.com/itsjohnrocker/status/1875567720340844842?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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I read it that the FEC accused the Clinton Campaign and the DNC of misreporting. Not HRC personally. I don't think there was a criminal charge either. It was a civil penalty.
Also, I read that Cohen pleaded guilty to a criminal charge. Was that the FEC? Or the FBI? The IRS? The SPCA? I don't really give a SHIT. They decided not to charge Trump. Probably because the main witness would have been Cohen..
The FEC declined to pursue charges against Trump saying they had plenty of other fish to fry. While also saying that tho the Trump campaign may have committed an FEC violation it was the amount, not the type, of "legal expense" that would have required the disclosure.
And the Clinton campaign was fined $8000. The DNC was fined the remaining $105,000.
May 2021: FEC declines to pursue Trump charges.
March 2022: Clinton campaign and DNC settles with the FEC.
Nov 2022: Trump declares candidacy.
April 2023: Bragg, after previously not pursuing the case and already knowing that the FEC declined to charge Trump and that the FEC did charge another NY resident with only an $8000 fine, hangs 34 felonies on Trump 5 months after declaring for President.
Clinton, another NY resident, was not charged for misuse of "legal expenses" to interfere with a federal election even tho she had previously been fined civilly by the FEC for the same.
The Clinton campaign probably, as you say, didn't fight the charge because Fusion GPS was hired to do "opposition research" and Fusion GPS said they were contracted to do "opposition research."
There really wasn't much for the Clinton campaign to fight, and it certainly wouldn't have been worth a fight over an $8000 fine.
You may not give a shit but Bragg opened the door wide for a District Attorney, not a State's Attorney or US Attorney, to pursue felony charges against an individual if that individual declares his/her candidacy in a federal election.
The door is wide open thanks to Bragg and Judge Merchan.
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The door is wide open thanks to Bragg and Judge Merchan.
Trump paid off Stormy Daniels and faked business records to conceal it. I don't think that was even disputed. A crime was committed, but the statute of limitations on the misdemeanor had expired.
Something or other in NY turned it into a felony. The reasoning was tedious and I have no actual interest in revisiting that. It is dubious whether it is upheld.
The DNC and the Clinton Campaign had an accounting dispute with the FEC. They settled without conceding. What
Not similar.
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Lots and lots of people think they shouldn’t have pursued it. The fact that they did was obvious lawfare and pushed more people toward Trump than away from him. Should have been civil if anything like Hillary’s campaign fine.
When you get down to it, the Democrats and Courts should have said meh. The Courts because "who cares - some rich dude gave some money or favors to a porn star for sex and gave her money to not say anything about it so his wife wouldn't bash his car window out with a golf club? Who cares!"
The Democrats should have downplayed it because a non-trivial percent of Trump's base thinks it's cool that this guy is 70 years old and gets to have sex with porn stars.
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Are we going to pretend that Russian oligarch money didn’t keep the Donald afloat for many years?
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lawfare
This article is 7 months and dated, but the point remains the same.
"Lawfare" against Trump? Donald Trump may not have invented lawfare but if there is ever a monument to lawfare, Trump should be the Michaelangelo who carves it. Second in line to his claims about liars, Trump's claim of lawfare against him is his masterpiece of projection.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-lawfare-king-opinion-1912461
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Are we going to pretend that Russian oligarch money didn’t keep the Donald afloat for many years?
Did it really?
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This article is 7 months and dated, but the point remains the same.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-lawfare-king-opinion-1912461
Trump threatened a lot of what’s now called lawfare against what he perceived as slander/libel/outright manufactured lies. Nothing much came of it.
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Trump threatened a lot of what’s now called lawfare against what he perceived as slander/libel/outright manufactured lies. Nothing much came of it.
He usually lost.
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This article is 7 months and dated, but the point remains the same.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-lawfare-king-opinion-1912461
I thought I would read a little bit from the retired judge.
I stopped when he referred to Trump as a convicted felon.
"Only the New York hush money case went to trial and has left him a convicted felon..."
A person becomes a convicted felon at sentencing.
Trump hasn't been sentenced in this case and there is still the possibility that he will never be sentenced in this case.
Thanks, Judge.
Article dismissed.
While we're here on sentencing, Bragg proposed applying the Alabama Rule.
Merchan dismissed applying the Alabama Rule saying that imposing the Alabama Rule might deny Trump's appellate rights.
The Alabama Rule was proposed by Bragg and dismissed by Merchan as not being fair to the defendant in this case.
Apparently the Alabama Rule is recognized by only a handful of states and New York is not one of them.
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He usually lost.
Most of the suits were tossed pre-election with no evidence being heard because no one had been "harmed" yet.
They were tossed post-election with no evidence being heard because of "laches".
Except there was the Ga case that was not assigned to a judge within the 30 days that Ga law required.
And post-election they were tossed
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Calculations show he and his businesses have been embroiled in more than four thousand lawsuits over the past 30 years. He has serially stiffed contractors and even publicly threatened not to pay a teleprompter vendor at a recent rally in Las Vegas. Trump companies have filed six bankruptcies.
ibid
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I stopped when he referred to Trump as a convicted felon.
"Only the New York hush money case went to trial and has left him a convicted felon..."
A person becomes a convicted felon at sentencing.
Trump hasn't been sentenced in this case and there is still the possibility that he will never be sentenced in this case.
Thanks, Judge.
Article dismissed.
Do you have a source for this? I have seen that claimed by Trump apologists, but no credible sources.
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Most of the suits were tossed pre-election with no evidence being heard because no one had been "harmed" yet.
They were tossed post-election with no evidence being heard because of "laches".
A cursory glance says that is wrong.
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A cursory glance says that is wrong.
Do you have a source for this? I have seen that claimed by Trump apologists, but no credible sources.
Trump filed a motion in the last few days to dismiss based on the SCOTUS immunity decision. Merchan denied the motion. If he had accepted the motion and dismissed the case would the "Trump apologists", as you call them, be wrong ?
If the case is dismissed before sentencing, is he a convicted felon tho the case was dismissed ?
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Trump filed a motion in the last few days to dismiss based on the SCOTUS immunity decision. Merchan denied the motion. If he had accepted the motion and dismissed the case would the "Trump apologists", as you call them, be wrong ?
If the case is dismissed before sentencing, is he a convicted felon tho the case was dismissed ?
If he is convicted and sentenced, and the case is overturned on appeal; is he a convicted felon?
I gather you don't have a legit source?
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If he is convicted and sentenced, and the case is overturned on appeal; is he a convicted felon?
I gather you don't have a legit source?
The Trump case is a motion to dismiss. It's an entirely different situation.
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https://apnews.com/article/trump-hush-money-sentencing-554341d84b66d84bc04313e78fa04793
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The poor guy has never done anything wrong. He's a model of what it means to be an American. Such the patriot! He's so focused on improving the life of everyday folks and a "real American". Nothing transactional going on here. Good to know that we're in such good hands.
Elon and Zuck told me so.
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The Democrats hate America.That is why they are giddy about flying the flag at half staff while Trump is incarcerated ... I mean inaugurated. Though Trump says some are like Kamala and can't help it because they are born stupid. No one wants to see that.