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Title: Bye Biden
Post by: illiniray on July 21, 2024, 01:32:30 PM
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/president-joe-biden-drops-2024-presidential-race-rcna159867
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: alum74 on July 21, 2024, 02:53:20 PM
Woo! Finally. Thank you Joe for doing the right thing.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 21, 2024, 03:21:55 PM
Be careful what you wish for is a saying for a reason....
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: alum74 on July 21, 2024, 03:45:20 PM
Biden isn't capable of running a campaign.  The writing was on the wall.  I know people will get mad, but he's just not there anymore.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: murphstahoe on July 21, 2024, 04:53:12 PM
Biden isn't capable of running a campaign.  The writing was on the wall.  I know people will get mad, but he's just not there anymore.

Me - not mad

This dude across the lake arm here at the Ozarks has multiple Trump flags. I was kayaking by and said “you in mourning?” He snapped “you gonna vote for Kuh mullah?”

“Probably. I’m not a Democrat or Republican - I just hate old people”
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: IlliniGolf on July 21, 2024, 07:11:57 PM
Biden got beat so badly in the most moderated debate of all time by the most hated candidate of all time that he had to quit the race

🤣👀🤣👀
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Illinifan5775 on July 21, 2024, 09:28:31 PM
Biden isn't capable of running a campaign.  The writing was on the wall.  I know people will get mad, but he's just not there anymore.
Tough but he was slowing down so much. But he's still better than a lying convicted criminal Donald Trash that keeps talking about getting electrocuted on a sinking ship or eaten by a shark, the wonderful Hannibal Lecter, going to destroy our country and effed up his VPs last name in that joke of an acceptance speech that last night of the GOP convention  The Dems could nominate a horse fly as their pick for Pres and it would be better than that Trash.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: rosebowlbound on July 22, 2024, 06:39:41 AM
Tough but he was slowing down so much. But he's still better than a lying convicted criminal Donald Trash that keeps talking about getting electrocuted on a sinking ship or eaten by a shark, the wonderful Hannibal Lecter, going to destroy our country and effed up his VPs last name in that joke of an acceptance speech that last night of the GOP convention  The Dems could nominate a horse fly as their pick for Pres and it would be better than than Trash.

My guess is you don't get invited to alot of parties
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: FaninCa on July 22, 2024, 11:11:31 AM
Be careful what you wish for is a saying for a reason....

Yeah, Biden had a slim shot of winning, but Harris seems to be a step backwards from Joe. 

I suspect the Dems only chance now is Trump's health really declines or the Dems dump Harris due to horrible polling numbers.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: illiniray on July 22, 2024, 01:30:26 PM
But her laugh?

https://youtu.be/v-adjhWa_hc
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Illinifan5775 on July 22, 2024, 03:06:33 PM
My guess is you don't get invited to alot of parties
??
I'm pushing 68, not a lot of parties anymore. My family and friends respect my political beliefs. And a majority of these peole feel the way I do, Trash is a low life criminal that should not be allowef to get back in the White House. The others that feel differently, we talk about other things.  Today's GOP is way different than in the past. I voted GOP 4 times in presidential elections: Reagan in 80 and 84, Bush Sr in 88, and Bush Jr in 2000 and would have voted for John McCain if he hadn't picked that loser from Alaska as the VP. I look for good people and the good one's in todays GOP are leaving or already left. Most of whats left in that party are idiots that kiss Trash's ass even after he ripped them apart, called them loser.
This bum wants to shit on democracy and our life. He wants to be Putin of the West. I sure as heck don't want to see that.
Biden/Harris isn’t the greatest but better than the alternative.


Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Judge Judy on July 22, 2024, 04:02:38 PM
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I'm pushing 68, not a lot of parties anymore. My family and friends respect my political beliefs. And a majority of these peole feel the way I do, Trash is a low life criminal that should not be allowef to get back in the White House. The others that feel differently, we talk about other things.  Today's GOP is way different than in the past. I voted GOP 4 times in presidential elections: Reagan in 80 and 84, Bush Sr in 88, and Bush Jr in 2000 and would have voted for John McCain if he hadn't picked that loser from Alaska as the VP. I look for good people and the good one's in todays GOP are leaving or already left. Most of whats left in that party are idiots that kiss Trash's ass even after he ripped them apart, called them loser.
This bum wants to shit on democracy and our life. He wants to be Putin of the West. I sure as heck don't want to see that.
Biden/Harris isn’t the greatest but better than the alternative.

So quick question. The left is saying Trump will destroy democracy and is a threat to it. Please explain how? He’s already been President and we saw all this fear mongering was untrue. It was actually a very peaceful world (except from the left destroying cities in America). What exactly do you think he’s trying to do? I’ll hang up and listen to this. It should be interesting…
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: illiniray on July 22, 2024, 06:09:02 PM
(except from the left destroying cities in America).

Just curious. Are you referring to the the GF protests  in May and June of 2020?

How about the across the board  increase in violent crime that started in 2019?

That appears to have declined despite the influx  of insane criminal cannibal immigrants across our southern border.  /S
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: illiniray on July 22, 2024, 06:21:43 PM
So quick question. The left is saying Trump will destroy democracy and is a threat to it. Please explain how? He’s already been President and we saw all this fear mongering was untrue.

Thanks for the alternative facts. Did you forget that he took money from the military budget to build his wall, but still failed to complete it? The wall Mexico was going to pay for?

One of my old friends keeps reminding of the huge economic growth Trump achieved. I show him the numbers, he goes into denial mode.

That said.

Trump's own handlers at the Heritage Foundation admit he failed to enact his -- their -- agenda.

They blame it largely  on resistance from within the executive branch by career employees. Also, to some extent from the courts. That is why they have project 25. Trump distanced himself, but embraces the principles and ideas.
 
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 22, 2024, 07:03:15 PM
Democrats:

“Trump is an existential threat to democracy!!!!1!”

Also Democrats:

Ran a sham primary, skipped caucuses to ensure a deeply senile Biden would be the candidate, all while lying to the American public through their marketing arms that Biden was “sharp as a tack.”
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 22, 2024, 07:22:31 PM
Democrats:

“Trump is an existential threat to democracy!!!!1!”

Also Democrats:

Ran a sham primary, skipped caucuses to ensure a deeply senile Biden would be the candidate, all while lying to the American public through their marketing arms that Biden was “sharp as a tack.”

Good Lord. Just making shit up. Anyone who wanted to run could and didn't. JFC.

We survived Reagan's second term when he was far worse than Biden and was nowhere to be found.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: illiniray on July 22, 2024, 07:25:18 PM
Democrats:

“Trump is an existential threat to democracy!!!!1!”

Primarily in reference to refusing to concede the election..
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: illiniray on July 22, 2024, 07:35:22 PM


Also Democrats:

Ran a sham primary, skipped caucuses to ensure a deeply senile Biden would be the candidate, all while lying to the American public through their marketing arms that Biden was “sharp as a tack.”

"In February 2019, the Republican National Committee voted to provide undivided support to Trump. Several states canceled their primaries and caucuses. Other states were encouraged to use "winner-takes-all" or "winner-takes-most" systems to award delegates instead of using proportional allocation."
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 22, 2024, 09:49:18 PM
"In February 2019, the Republican National Committee voted to provide undivided support to Trump. Several states canceled their primaries and caucuses. Other states were encouraged to use "winner-takes-all" or "winner-takes-most" systems to award delegates instead of using proportional allocation."

Good one, Nichi.

This is like the argument that the Democrats have weaponized DOJ. I'm sure Menendez,  Cueller, Ed Burke, and Mike Madigan all agree....
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: murphstahoe on July 23, 2024, 11:40:41 AM
Harris (former State AG) should pick Josh Shapiro or Andy Beshear (both former State AGs). Attorney Generals are often referred to as the state's "Top Cop"

Then we can make T-shirts with Harris, Shapiro/Beshear, Trump, and Vance with the tagline

COPS VS CONVICTS
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 23, 2024, 11:50:47 AM
Why would those 2 would go along with Harris? They have potential. If she fucks this up, which she probably will unless she learned her lesson from 2020 (which she has not appeared to have done based on the preceding 4 years), they would be screwed.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: alum74 on July 23, 2024, 12:27:02 PM
Why would those 2 would go along with Harris? They have potential. If she fucks this up, which she probably will unless she learned her lesson from 2020 (which she has not appeared to have done based on the preceding 4 years), they would be screwed.

One reason Shapiro/Beshear might accept the VP slot is that they are both sitting behind Newsom and Whitmer, who have much bigger name recognition.  This would give them some national political exposure. 
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 23, 2024, 02:03:58 PM
We survived Reagan's second term when he was far worse than Biden

And I’m the one making shit up?
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 23, 2024, 02:07:34 PM
"In February 2019, the Republican National Committee voted to provide undivided support to Trump. Several states canceled their primaries and caucuses. Other states were encouraged to use "winner-takes-all" or "winner-takes-most" systems to award delegates instead of using proportional allocation."

Trump, then the incumbent, was not in the midst of a clear and dramatic cognitive decline in February 2019.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 23, 2024, 02:09:07 PM
Good one, Nichi.

This is like the argument that the Democrats have weaponized DOJ. I'm sure Menendez,  Cueller, Ed Burke, and Mike Madigan all agree....

No, it wasn’t a good one. Just lazy false equivalency. Biden’s decline and its coverup are unprecedented.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 23, 2024, 02:10:01 PM
And I’m the one making shit up?

You have to be kidding. Or were not old enough to realize what was going on.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 23, 2024, 02:10:46 PM
No, it wasn’t a good one. Just lazy false equivalency. Biden’s decline and its coverup are unprecedented.

Fucking hilarious. Ever hear of FDR? JFC. Might want to sit some of these out.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 23, 2024, 02:12:08 PM
You have to be kidding. Or were not old enough to realize what was going on.

Find me something—anything— even approaching Biden’s debate footage.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 23, 2024, 02:17:05 PM
Find me something—anything— even approaching Biden’s debate footage.

He was fucking sleeping all day in his second term....That is how Ollie North got to run Iran-Contra and Reagan, allegedly, had zero clue what was going on...
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: alum74 on July 23, 2024, 02:25:33 PM
No, it wasn’t a good one. Just lazy false equivalency. Biden’s decline and its coverup are unprecedented.

Just more nonesense that reflects your constant BDS bedwetting.  See: Ronald Reagan, Winston Churchill, FDR and Woodrow Wilson. 
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 23, 2024, 02:26:46 PM
Fucking hilarious. Ever hear of FDR? JFC. Might want to sit some of these out.

More false equivalency. The guy who saw us through the Great Depression and WWII, whose diplomacy was wanted to get us through the end of the war, was sick, not demented. He was still feisty enough to convince the party and voters, and travel the world to negotiate fiercely with Stalin. And he dumped Henry Wallace and picked a strong VP in Truman to take over should he pass.

Sleepy Joe on the other hand was so bad the party forced him out and now at the brink of August we are left with a DEI VP that appeals only to the most loyal Democrats.

I will give you the fact that Joe is about as good at climbing stairs as FDR was.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 23, 2024, 02:33:07 PM
Just more nonesense that reflects your constant BDS bedwetting.  See: Ronald Reagan, Winston Churchill, FDR and Woodrow Wilson.

lol BDS isn’t even a thing. Literally no one is deranged about a senile old man who can’t even read from a teleprompter.

Some of us just have higher standards for the American presidency than you apologists do.

The only thing people are mad about is that the guy hasn’t been with it for quite some time yet the media mounted the whole “sharp as a tack” campaign a couple months ago, then acted surprised when he catastrophically shit the bed on national television to the point the party had to force him out. You should be upset too, if you’d take the time to pull your head out of your ass. They duped you and you don’t even realize it.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: alum74 on July 23, 2024, 02:33:39 PM
Looks like Custard's new word of the month is “DEI."   Replaced “woke”.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 23, 2024, 02:36:48 PM
Looks like Custard's new word of the month is “DEI."   Replaced “woke”.

The tide is quickly turning against the woke, DEI, charity hire pronoun police. Enjoy it while you still can.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 23, 2024, 02:46:59 PM
More false equivalency. The guy who saw us through the Great Depression and WWII, whose diplomacy was wanted to get us through the end of the war, was sick, not demented. He was still feisty enough to convince the party and voters, and travel the world to negotiate fiercely with Stalin. And he dumped Henry Wallace and picked a strong VP in Truman to take over should he pass.

Sleepy Joe on the other hand was so bad the party forced him out and now at the brink of August we are left with a DEI VP that appeals only to the most loyal Democrats.

I will give you the fact that Joe is about as good at climbing stairs as FDR was.

There are those who would say Yalta was proof that Roosevelt had lost it by that point. And he was dead 2 months later. And the public had zero clue about his health in the 44 election.

It was "party leaders" who convinced him to dump Wallace. FDR did not even want Truman as his running mate.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 23, 2024, 02:48:19 PM
Woodrow Wilson is a good reference too....
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: murphstahoe on July 23, 2024, 03:15:25 PM
The tide is quickly turning against the woke, DEI, charity hire pronoun police. Enjoy it while you still can.

We all know you are bitter that your career - or life in general - is in the shitter, but that's not DEI, it's the man in the mirror
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 23, 2024, 03:31:01 PM
There are those who would say Yalta was proof that Roosevelt had lost it by that point. And he was dead 2 months later. And the public had zero clue about his health in the 44 election.

It was "party leaders" who convinced him to dump Wallace. FDR did not even want Truman as his running mate.

Details of his health weren’t widely disclosed in media (there were definitely concerns) but he was able to at least communicate well enough to get people to vote for him. Regardless of who made the VP pick, it was a solid strategic one.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 23, 2024, 03:33:54 PM
We all know you are bitter that your career - or life in general - is in the shitter, but that's not DEI, it's the man in the mirror

🤣

I’m doing just fine
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 23, 2024, 03:50:59 PM
Details of his health weren’t widely disclosed in media (there were definitely concerns) but he was able to at least communicate well enough to get people to vote for him. Regardless of who made the VP pick, it was a solid strategic one.

Much like Biden getting out of the way was the strategic one. We will find out whether getting out of the way for Harris was a solid strategic one.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: murphstahoe on July 23, 2024, 03:59:34 PM
🤣

I’m doing just fine

You graduated from UIUC? "Just fine" is a pretty low bar for an Illini. Turn in your orange and blue badge.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: illiniray on July 23, 2024, 04:40:13 PM
Trump, then the incumbent, was not in the midst of a clear and dramatic cognitive decline in February 2019.

There was significant opposition from Romney, Kasich, Weld, French,  McMullin ...
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: illiniray on July 23, 2024, 04:47:51 PM

"Some of us just have higher standards for the American presidency"

You have to be kidding.
Biden has a cognitive disorder. Trump has a personality disorder.
Clearly, you understand neither.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 23, 2024, 07:48:36 PM
Please point out where I endorsed Trump.

Short of someone actually fatally him with a bullet this time, he was always going to be the guy. The Democrats couldn’t go forward with Biden, so there’s a choice. Should have been made months ago, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 23, 2024, 07:49:23 PM
You have to be kidding.
Biden has a cognitive disorder. Trump has a personality disorder.
Clearly, you understand neither.

Yeah and you’ve stumping for the guy with a disorder. Demand better. Not just “well he’s better than Trump”
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: alum74 on July 23, 2024, 08:08:55 PM
...Sleepy Joe on the other hand was so bad the party forced him out and now at the brink of August we are left with a DEI VP that appeals only to the most loyal Democrats...

I see that Custard's getting his Harris talking points from the Tennessee GOP.
https://x.com/RepTimBurchett/status/1815388894722248845?t=cm9ANwzpvC9kFyffkVXsaw&s=19

Oh wait...new instructions coming in...stop with the DEI references!!!
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/23/gop-race-comments-harris-00170735
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 24, 2024, 01:40:14 AM
That fucker must read HQ2!
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: murphstahoe on July 24, 2024, 11:59:39 AM
Yeah and you’ve stumping for the guy with a disorder. Demand better. Not just “well he’s better than Trump”

Upthread you were talking up "Doing just fine" now you want to Demand Better
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 24, 2024, 01:20:50 PM
Upthread you were talking up "Doing just fine" now you want to Demand Better

Ridiculously awful presidential candidates and my personal well-being are very tenuously related
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Reacher on July 24, 2024, 05:18:13 PM
FDR dumping Wallace was the biggest mistake of his administration.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 24, 2024, 05:27:43 PM
FDR dumping Wallace was the biggest mistake of his administration.
Being sucked in by the Soviets hurt him. Harry did a fine job.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: illiniray on July 24, 2024, 06:48:00 PM
Ridiculously awful presidential candidates and my personal well-being are very tenuously related

You seem to be doing well now.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 24, 2024, 07:38:44 PM
You seem to be doing well now.

We will see how he feels when Trump wins and sinks the economy by raising tariffs and enacts all the rest of the other economic policies he has talked about.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 25, 2024, 01:36:46 AM
You dumb fucks know I don’t like Trump, right? Hoping and praying the Democrats get their heads out of their collective ass and figure out a way to beat the most hated candidate of all time. Apparently it’s a tall task. Wish PAMan had the same angry expectation for his political party as he does Illini sports. You guys love mediocrity. The soft bigotry of low expectations. Sad!
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: rosebowlbound on July 25, 2024, 05:01:38 AM
We will see how he feels when Trump wins and sinks the economy by raising tariffs and enacts all the rest of the other economic policies he has talked about.

Last time I checked the economy was great when Trump was president.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 25, 2024, 06:44:14 AM
Last time I checked the economy was great when Trump was president.

MAD Magazine is not known for its economic coverage, Jasn.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 25, 2024, 06:48:20 AM
You dumb fucks know I don’t like Trump, right? Hoping and praying the Democrats get their heads out of their collective ass and figure out a way to beat the most hated candidate of all time. Apparently it’s a tall task. Wish PAMan had the same angry expectation for his political party as he does Illini sports. You guys love mediocrity. The soft bigotry of low expectations. Sad!

You don't "like" Trump, you "love" him?

At this point I always expect the dumb ass Democrats to make the wrong decision. But hey, buring the US Flag outside the Capitol while Crooked Netanyahu was getting standing o after standing o was another great look for Iran's Useful Progressive Idiots.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: illiniray on July 25, 2024, 06:53:28 AM
Last time I checked the economy was great when Trump was president.

"... the economic numbers expose a far more complicated reality during Trump’s time in the White House. His tax cuts never delivered the promised growth. His budget deficits surged and then stayed relatively high under Biden. His tariffs and trade deals never brought back all of the lost factory jobs."

"And there was the pandemic, an event that caused historic job losses for which Trump accepts no responsibility as well as low inflation — for which Trump takes full credit."

"If anything, the economy during Trump’s presidency never lived up to his own hype."

"Trump assured the public in 2017 that the U.S. economy with his tax cuts would grow at “3%,” but he added, “I think it could go to 4, 5, and maybe even 6%, ultimately.”"

"If the 2020 pandemic is excluded, growth after inflation averaged 2.67% under Trump, according to figures from the Bureau of Economic Analysis. Include the pandemic-induced recession and that average drops to an anemic 1.45%."

"By contrast, growth during the second term of then-President Barack Obama averaged 2.33%. So far under Biden, annual growth is averaging 3.4%."

https://apnews.com/article/trump-economy-biden-election-president-e3a153c9b0c615ea6e0f2afb91cdc785
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: alum74 on July 25, 2024, 10:52:05 AM
You dumb fucks know I don’t like Trump, right? Hoping and praying the Democrats get their heads out of their collective ass and figure out a way to beat the most hated candidate of all time. Apparently it’s a tall task. Wish PAMan had the same angry expectation for his political party as he does Illini sports. You guys love mediocrity. The soft bigotry of low expectations. Sad!

Dems this, Dems that.  Look, your woke, woke, dei, identify politics boy, Ron DeSanctimonious got his ass thumped by Trump.   And now you expect the Dems to bail you out.  Sorry, you don't have any skin in the game.  Quit whining. 
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Reacher on July 25, 2024, 11:08:13 AM
You don't "like" Trump, you "love" him?

At this point I always expect the dumb ass Democrats to make the wrong decision. But hey, buring the US Flag outside the Capitol while Crooked Netanyahu was getting standing o after standing o was another great look for Iran's Useful Progressive Idiots.

Politicians will give standing Os for millions in donations for as long as you want. On both sides of the aisle.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Reacher on July 25, 2024, 11:10:48 AM
I sent this to ThePAMan, he absolutely refuses to watch it. It’s a shame, he’d maybe learn something if he had even a hint of an open-mind. But…we know how that ends…


https://x.com/bonsaisky/status/1816272845715943640?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 25, 2024, 01:16:22 PM
I sent this to ThePAMan, he absolutely refuses to watch it. It’s a shame, he’d maybe learn something if he had even a hint of an open-mind. But…we know how that ends…


https://x.com/bonsaisky/status/1816272845715943640?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ

Yes, it ends with the Progressives electing Trump again like in 2016....
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 25, 2024, 03:15:57 PM
Dems this, Dems that.  Look, your woke, woke, dei, identify politics boy, Ron DeSanctimonious got his ass thumped by Trump.   And now you expect the Dems to bail you out.  Sorry, you don't have any skin in the game.  Quit whining.

I don’t have any skin in the game? I’m a tax paying American citizen that wants a president that isn’t an embarrassment to the country. But no, we are gonna have Trump again unless the next shooter actually gets him.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 25, 2024, 06:38:25 PM
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This very year, we’re seeing the terrible outcome of the Democratic machine deciding that there would be no primary process for the 2024 election, moving all the levers to ensure that the party’s choice was the only choice. Turns out he’s incapable of campaigning. Whoops! Biden’s infirmity is precisely the kind of problem that can be revealed in a primary process, but the party elites didn’t want one, and the party elites decide. Now they’re doing it again, doubling down on total control by the party, handing the nomination to the wildly unpopular Kamala Harris despite the fact that she has earned zero votes for the role. It’s incredible.

But hey, at least she has experience running tough campaigns in [checks notes] San Francisco and California. Surely, she has the stuff to secure Pennsylvania.

And of course, of course, of course our pliable liberal establishment media is nodding along and accepting all of this as business as usual without critique, questions, or complaint. The relationship between the media and the Democratic party has never been more accommodating or less adversarial; no one is going to be running major pieces that really, truly take the Democrats to task in the way they deserve. No one is going to defend democracy on its own terms, let alone as a means to choose the actual most popular candidate. The party is a joke and media coverage of the party is a joke, and no one within either is going to spoil the fun by pointing any of this out. I hope to God Trump doesn’t win, but the Democrats deserve to lose. They richly, richly deserve to lose. And since I’m hoping to God that Harris wins, I’m also necessarily hoping to God that the party never has any reason to question its destructive addiction to elite rule. When will Democratic voters actually get to determine the direction of their party, the way those lunatics in the GOP actually determine the direction of theirs? Probably never.

https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/open-thread-so-just-literally-no?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 25, 2024, 06:44:12 PM
And you guys act like I’m the only one questioning the democrats not being democratic

(https://i.ibb.co/j5VkKMm/IMG-6373.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mBv5sqk)
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 25, 2024, 06:44:51 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/pdB5GRt/IMG-6374.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TtxdpbV)

Remember attacking me for suggesting it and then throwing out some bullshit about Trump?
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: murphstahoe on July 25, 2024, 07:06:20 PM
And you guys act like I’m the only one questioning the democrats not being democratic

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Voters vote for delegates. The delegates vote for nominees. The delegates the voters elected will do what they were sent to do, pick a nominee. 

Really isn't anything democratic required of a primary. The parties are private organizations, that via the rules set up by the Governments of each state, get ballot access for the candidate of their choosing.

Note that in a real fucking state, California, this isn't true. For every office internal to the state, e.g. everything but the Presidential primary, you put your name on the ballot, there is an election, and the top two vote getters run off in the general election.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: murphstahoe on July 25, 2024, 07:09:10 PM
Republicans - Kamala Harris is a DEI hire

Also Republicans - It's completely rational that Wyoming gets 2 senators for their 500,000 people and California gets 2 senators for their 40 million people. If the senate were divided by population instead of by state, then the diversity of interests in small states with a minority of the population would not be represented.

That Burchett guy has some nerve. Harris is a mediocre DEI hire. She got 6 million votes to become a Senator. He got 144k votes to become a congressman
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 25, 2024, 08:08:17 PM
People say she’s a DEI hire because there’s zero chance she’s in the position she’s in if she isn’t a “black” woman. Pure pandering for minority/female votes. It is what it is.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: illiniray on July 25, 2024, 08:16:15 PM
People say she’s a DEI hire because there’s zero chance she’s in the position she’s in if she isn’t a “black” woman. Pure pandering for minority/female votes. It is what it is.

Zero chance Trump is [in] his position if he were poor and black.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Reacher on July 25, 2024, 09:23:37 PM
People say she’s a DEI hire because there’s zero chance she’s in the position she’s in if she isn’t a “black” woman. Pure pandering for minority/female votes. It is what it is.

Couldn’t have been her impressive education?
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Reacher on July 25, 2024, 09:24:49 PM
Zero chance Trump is his position if he was poor and black.

Literally the only way Trump is in his position is by inheriting his status. That’s it. He’d be Al Bundy had he not won the rich daddy lottery.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Judge Judy on July 25, 2024, 09:25:00 PM
Couldn’t have been her impressive education?

No. Just a 61 year old San Francisco mayor name Willie she was blowing…
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Reacher on July 25, 2024, 09:27:49 PM
No. Just a 61 year old San Francisco mayor name Willie she was blowing…

Such bullshit. I’m not even a big fan of hers, but she was going to be successful no matter what. Doesn’t hurt to have friends in high places, though. And he wasn’t Mayor when they started dating. Trump literally would be Al Bundy if he hadn’t won the rich daddy lottery.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: murphstahoe on July 25, 2024, 09:51:19 PM
People say she’s a DEI hire because there’s zero chance she’s in the position she’s in if she isn’t a “black” woman. Pure pandering for minority/female votes. It is what it is.

She was Senator of California, winning a competitive primary and general election against a large field including some white folk


As far as I’m concerned - you win a statewide election in the worlds 5th largest economy - that’s saying something

JD Vance would be nowhere if he hadn’t been born a poor white redneck. Truth
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Judge Judy on July 25, 2024, 10:02:31 PM
JD Vance would be nowhere if he hadn’t been born a poor white redneck. Truth

Interesting take. Shouldn’t he be praised for where he’s at?! I mean you liberals can’t have it both ways. Bash on Trump because he was born rich, and then his VP because he was born poor. Weird fucking shit 😂
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 25, 2024, 10:20:33 PM
Interesting take. Shouldn’t he be praised for where he’s at?! I mean you liberals can’t have it both ways. Bash on Trump because he was born rich, and then his VP because he was born poor. Weird fucking shit 😂

Sure is.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 25, 2024, 10:48:20 PM
Whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabout

Can you guys ever stay focused? This isn’t the Trump or the right wing thread, it’s about Biden and, now, Harris.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 26, 2024, 07:00:54 AM
Whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabout

Can you guys ever stay focused? This isn’t the Trump or the right wing thread, it’s about Biden and, now, Harris.

Whether you like it or not, the choice is between 2 sets of people. Their similarities and differences will be compared and dissected ad nauseam for the next few months. You are just going to have to suck on it and like it.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Reacher on July 26, 2024, 07:26:09 AM
Whether you like it or not, the choice is between 2 sets of people. Their similarities and differences will be compared and dissected ad nauseam for the next few months. You are just going to have to suck on it and like it.

Exactly. You want the peanut butter? you gotta take it with the jelly

Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Reacher on July 26, 2024, 07:28:17 AM
I’ll give JD Vance credit for pulling himself up by his boot straps and reaching heights multiple levels above his competency
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Reacher on July 26, 2024, 07:34:44 AM
I’ll give JD Vance credit for pulling himself up by his boot straps and reaching heights multiple levels above his competency

He’s a smarter (but not super smart) version of Sarah Palin.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 26, 2024, 11:01:50 AM
Whether you like it or not, the choice is between 2 sets of people. Their similarities and differences will be compared and dissected ad nauseam for the next few months. You are just going to have to suck on it and like it.

No, I don’t. I’ll keep trying to raise awareness that people who think like this are what allows this joke of a system to remain in place.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 26, 2024, 11:25:18 AM
No, I don’t. I’ll keep trying to raise awareness that people who think like this are what allows this joke of a system to remain in place.

That's up to you if you want to keep pushing the same rock up the hill over and over again. You keep bitching that Biden quit, yet over 70% of those polled agreed with the decision. The only people who seemed pissed about that decision are those who want Trump to win.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 26, 2024, 01:02:48 PM
I haven’t bitched one single time about Biden quitting. He had to quit. There was no alternative and no other chance to get someone decent in the White House. I’m not happy with the decision (or so it seems) to run with Kamala because she may be even more likely to get Trump elected than Biden.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: murphstahoe on July 26, 2024, 01:26:57 PM
I haven’t bitched one single time about Biden quitting. He had to quit. There was no alternative and no other chance to get someone decent in the White House. I’m not happy with the decision (or so it seems) to run with Kamala because she may be even more likely to get Trump elected than Biden.

You're more all over the map than Nichi. Say what you want about Judy, at least that bitch is consistent
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: rouseboilbound on July 26, 2024, 01:35:02 PM
You're more all over the map than Nichi. Say what you want about Judy, at least that bitch is consistent

Is she really a woman
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on July 26, 2024, 02:13:19 PM
Is she really a woman

Hmmm. I didn't check Judge Judy's package going into the port o let at the Illinois game we went to last year.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Reacher on July 26, 2024, 04:53:59 PM
Hmmm. I didn't check Judge Judy's package going into the port o let at the Illinois game we went to last year.

Surmising from his posting history he likely checked yours.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 26, 2024, 05:03:03 PM
You're more all over the map than Nichi. Say what you want about Judy, at least that bitch is consistent

I have been saying the same exact thing since the debate. Biden has to go and Harris can’t be the nominee. Can’t get any more consistent than that. You said the same things. Looks like you’re all falling in line now though.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: murphstahoe on July 26, 2024, 05:21:07 PM
I have been saying the same exact thing since the debate. Biden has to go and Harris can’t be the nominee. Can’t get any more consistent than that. You said the same things. Looks like you’re all falling in line now though.

It appears Harris is going to be the nominee, so apparently Harris *can* be the nominee. Not the first time you've been wrong, I guess
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Judge Judy on July 26, 2024, 05:28:08 PM
Surmising from his posting history he likely checked yours.

He’s a real man, unlike your bitch ass, Tempo… 😂
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Judge Judy on July 26, 2024, 05:30:06 PM
It appears Harris is going to be the nominee, so apparently Harris *can* be the nominee. Not the first time you've been wrong, I guess

Yeah, I mean if they wanna lose. Which you should’ve understood/comprehended  from his comment that “she can’t be the nominee.”
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Judge Judy on July 26, 2024, 06:21:45 PM
Good job Governor Abbott! Look at that fence she’s got! How discriminatory and racist!
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 26, 2024, 11:01:05 PM
It appears Harris is going to be the nominee, so apparently Harris *can* be the nominee. Not the first time you've been wrong, I guess

Can’t be the nominee if the Democrats want to win this election. But, of course, you knew that. And used to agree with it.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: murphstahoe on July 27, 2024, 07:52:29 AM
Can’t be the nominee if the Democrats want to win this election. But, of course, you knew that. And used to agree with it.

What's the wager? Money talks, bullshit walks
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Reacher on July 27, 2024, 09:46:49 AM
I had serious doubts about Harris to start, but feel a little better about her chances after the last week. I would have preferred a brokered convention, though.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: murphstahoe on July 27, 2024, 09:57:26 AM
I had serious doubts about Harris to start, but feel a little better about her chances after the last week. I would have preferred a brokered convention, though.

A lot of people were “I would sort of like someone better than Harris but mostly just don’t want Biden”

By a lot I mean everyone
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: FaninCa on July 27, 2024, 10:46:59 AM
Harris is a subpar candidate but Trump might find a way to lose this.

https://metro.co.uk/2024/07/27/trump-tells-crowd-wont-vote-well-fixed-21309975/
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: alum74 on July 27, 2024, 11:03:38 AM
I had serious doubts about Harris to start, but feel a little better about her chances after the last week. I would have preferred a brokered convention, though.

This is encouraging news.  Probably mostly childless cat ladies.
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/26/harris-campaign-volunteers-swing-states
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: IlliniGolf on July 27, 2024, 11:27:07 AM
This is encouraging news.  Probably mostly childless cat ladies.
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/26/harris-campaign-volunteers-swing-states

She needs all the help she can get !
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: alum74 on July 27, 2024, 11:39:12 AM
I think that is pretty much how just about every candidate feels this time of year, even they are running for dogcatcher.  For Democrats, the ground game is everything.   
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: FaninCa on July 27, 2024, 01:02:03 PM
I have been saying the same exact thing since the debate. Biden has to go and Harris can’t be the nominee. Can’t get any more consistent than that. You said the same things. Looks like you’re all falling in line now though.

Dems would have lost a portion of their base if they bypassed Harris.

I'm surprised Harris has closed the gap so quickly on Trump especially after the recent assassination attempt.  Of course Dems should be up 5+ points versus a wannabe Dictator.

Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Reacher on July 27, 2024, 02:24:19 PM
Dems would have lost a portion of their base if they bypassed Harris.

I doubt that.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Custard on July 27, 2024, 02:25:48 PM
Anyone with a pulse would have gotten a dead cat bounce after the Biden campaign mercifully quit remaking Weekend at Bernie’s.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: FaninCa on July 27, 2024, 10:27:40 PM
Seems the Dems lost Jeff Frank's support... 
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: murphstahoe on July 28, 2024, 11:17:00 PM
Seems the Dems lost Jeff Frank's support...

Counter balance once every 2 minutes with the passing of a Trump supporter
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ridingthegrange on August 01, 2024, 04:36:57 PM
Sleepy Joe's on a roll!  A month ago it was feeling like 2016 but, it feels more like 2008 now.  He made the right call on stepping down and just threaded the needle on the prisoner swap.  Anyone think that Powell may cut rates just to spite agent orange?
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on August 01, 2024, 05:07:35 PM
Sleepy Joe's on a roll!  A month ago it was feeling like 2016 but, it feels more like 2008 now.  He made the right call on stepping down and just threaded the needle on the prisoner swap.  Anyone think that Powell may cut rates just to spite agent orange?

It is amazing that there are as many people as there are who despise a guy who was personal friends with people on both sides of the aisle for eons and really a milquetoast guy. Even Mitch McConnell has refused to be the asshole that Lyndsey Graham has been, and Biden was, apparently, really close friends with Graham.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ILLove1997 on August 01, 2024, 07:21:54 PM
Its funny to me that Biden from the 90s would be considered right wing these days
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ridingthegrange on August 01, 2024, 07:28:14 PM
That's a good point.  He never should have let Thomas get confirmed but was afraid of the optics. 
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Reacher on August 01, 2024, 07:37:54 PM
Its funny to me that Biden from the 90s would be considered right wing these days

Wut.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: Reacher on August 01, 2024, 07:38:35 PM
John McCain wasn’t even considered right-wing by today’s standards.
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ThePAMan on August 01, 2024, 08:34:27 PM
John McCain wasn’t even considered right-wing by today’s standards.

Nope
Title: Re: Bye Biden
Post by: ridingthegrange on August 01, 2024, 08:59:00 PM
John McCain wasn’t even considered right-wing by today’s standards.

And Lindsay was his butt boy.