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General Category => Halas Hall Football Forum => Topic started by: Reacher on March 20, 2024, 01:33:24 PM
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What does it look like?
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8 wins+ would be pretty good
staying healthy all year too (impossible probably)
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I’d like to see him reign in some of the big play hunter / mistake compounding tendencies that have the potential to make things rough for him in the NFL.
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8 wins+ would be pretty good
staying healthy all year too (impossible probably)
The Bears were a couple of dropped passes away from winning 9 games this year. The roster is better.
Does 8 wins get Flus fired? What happens if Flus is fired?
Honestly, if they were changing quarterbacks, they should have changed head coaches.
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I think playing steady football and not being a turnover machine would be a “successful” rookie year.
I’m not saying they have to make the playoffs, but anything less than 9 wins is not at all successful IMO. Barring significant injuries. Nine wins and you have to be competitive in games against the division leaders.
If Caleb can look competent and make a couple plays when they are there to be made, I’d call that a good rookie year. I do expect the Bears to make or be on the cusp of the playoffs.
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The Bears were a couple of dropped passes away from winning 9 games this year. The roster is better.
Does 8 wins get Flus fired? What happens if Flus is fired?
Honestly, if they were changing quarterbacks, they should have changed head coaches.
I think 8 wins is reasonable with a rookie QB, not like the team is loaded
rookie QB's always struggle even great ones
"Peyton Manning had a passer rating of 71.2 with 3,739 yards, 26 touchdowns and 28 interceptions in 16 games in his rookie season in 1998."
"Patrick Mahomes had a passer rating of 76.4 with 284 yards and 1 interception in 1 game in his rookie season in 2017."
"John Elway had a passer rating of 54.9 with 1,663 yards, 7 touchdowns and 14 interceptions in 11 games in his rookie season in 1983."
"Tom Brady had a passer rating of 42.4 with 6 yards in 1 game in his rookie season in 2000."
"Steve Young had a passer rating of 56.9 with 935 yards, 3 touchdowns and 8 interceptions in 5 games in his rookie season in 1985."
"Joe Montana had a passer rating of 81.1 with 96 yards and 1 touchdown in 16 games in his rookie season in 1979."
"Aaron Rodgers had a passer rating of 39.8 with 65 yards and 1 interception in 3 games in his rookie season in 2005."
"Brett Favre had a passer rating of 0.0 with 2 interceptions in 2 games in his rookie season in 1991"
pretty much the only all pro QBs that had great rookie seasons were Dan Marino and Andrew Luck
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8 wins would be a poor season with this roster.
No one is saying he has to put up huge numbers.
I like how you’ve set the bar super low. Lol
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The Bears were a couple of dropped passes away from winning 9 games this year. The roster is better.
Does 8 wins get Flus fired? What happens if Flus is fired?
Honestly, if they were changing quarterbacks, they should have changed head coaches.
Honestly, now that I think about it, it’s kind of irritating Flus got another year and Justin didn’t. Their fares should have been tied together. Flus had a similar year to Justin.
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Coming off of a record setting season the Bears were rewarded with an easy schedule last year. Fields got 5 wins. Does he get 2 more wins if Bagent doesn't get them ? Nobody will ever know.
If I'm not mistaken, the projected win total was 7-8 with one of the league's easier schedules.
Fields got 5. If he doesn't suck in the 4th quarter, maybe he gets more.
Hang a banner.
The eye test will tell with respect to Williams but the schedule should be more difficult than this past season.
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8 wins would be a poor season with this roster.
No one is saying he has to put up huge numbers.
I like how you’ve set the bar super low. Lol
I'm not setting any bars low, I just think its a realistic expectation for the bears next year. Don't forget the division is much better than it used to be top to bottom.
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Doing this…
https://x.com/barstoolsports/status/1770521389461635360?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Coming off of a record setting season the Bears were rewarded with an easy schedule last year. Fields got 5 wins. Does he get 2 more wins if Bagent doesn't get them ? Nobody will ever know.
If I'm not mistaken, the projected win total was 7-8 with one of the league's easier schedules.
Fields got 5. If he doesn't suck in the 4th quarter, maybe he gets more.
Hang a banner.
The eye test will tell with respect to Williams but the schedule should be more difficult than this past season.
There’s no reason to think Field doesn’t go 2-2 during his missed games at a minimum. Bagent beat a Raiders team that fired their coach the next week and was playing a washed up never that good anyway veteran who hadn’t played in like 3 years. He beat the worst team in the league by 3 points in a home game.
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I'm not setting any bars low, I just think its a realistic expectation for the bears next year. Don't forget the division is much better than it used to be top to bottom.
It’s going to be very similar to the division they were in this year. The Bears could easily be the most improved team.
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Doing this…
https://x.com/barstoolsports/status/1770521389461635360?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
I saw Fields do that in a cold weather game with actual defenders (really good ones). Unfortunately, Robert Tonyan dropped it and they lost by 3.
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I saw Fields do that in a cold weather game with actual defenders (really good ones). Unfortunately, Robert Tonyan dropped it and they lost by 3.
Well damn. I’m sure that’s why he’s a backup now that nobody wanted to pursue…
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That’s not true. According to reports multiple teams were interested. As many as 6.
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That’s not true. According to reports multiple teams were interested. As many as 6.
Just weren’t willing to give “maybe the best running QB in history of the NFL” a shot. The asking price wasn’t very high. 🫠
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Especially if he was “H1M” like most of the Fields’ cultists are/were claiming.l and acting like he is.
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Most quarterback deals have gone really bad lately. Couldn’t have helped the market.
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Especially if he was “H1M” like most of the Fields’ cultists are/were claiming.l and acting like he is.
You didn’t see me using that term.
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You didn’t see me using that term.
You sure acted like it in here with your posts defending him and his potential.
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🤦♂️
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🤦♂️
There’s a reason people on here think you’re sleeping with him, making jokes about it, and so hard on you right now, and the past year…
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There’s a reason people on here think you’re sleeping with him, making jokes about it, and so hard on you right now, and the past year…
Yes, because you guys are immature fucktards.
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Even a lot of Justin’s most well known and outspoken critics have acknowledged Justin wasn’t dealt a fair hand here on Chicago. And yes, sometimes life (and the NFL) aren’t fair. About all I’ve ever said he’s that he could be better/probably even very good if given better talent and coaching to work with. That shouldn’t really be controversial. Put Fields on the 49ers instead of Purdy and he’s probably an MVP candidate.
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I love that you’d even try to pretend that’s “all you’ve ever said” as if this is first time any of us have spoken about it.
Just hilarious to read your stuff right now, you’re on the roll of a lifetime.
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I love that you’d even try to pretend that’s “all you’ve ever said” as if this is first time any of us have spoken about it.
Just hilarious to read your stuff right now, you’re on the roll of a lifetime.
Tell me what I said.
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Make it specific or direct quotes if possible.
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That’s not true. According to reports multiple teams were interested. As many as 6.
Unlike Lamar, who got passed on by every single team before he signed for $185,000,000+, Fields had multiple teams interested.
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Make it specific or direct quotes if possible.
I’ll wait.
(https://i.postimg.cc/rmPdDBvK/IMG-6913.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bD1YMBYh)
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Love it! That’s my QB1…
Emphasis on QB!
https://x.com/bc2__/status/1770527236271100119?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Yeah, you will. You can open any thread on the front page of this board where you argued insane shit all season for Fields.
You’re welcome to pretend that all you ever said was “he didn’t have a lot to work with” and it wasn’t that you spent all year making wild excuses for every mistake he made and reposting literally anyone with a microphone in front of them saying something positive about him and denigrating the character of the guy who most wanted to replace him. The other people on this board participated in and remember those discussions though, no matter what you need to pretend to feel better.
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Love it! That’s my QB1…
Emphasis on QB!
https://x.com/bc2__/status/1770527236271100119?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
“I don’t like running.” So he’s LAZY is what he’s saying! 😂
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Yeah, you will. You can open any thread on the front page of this board where you argued insane shit all season for Fields.
You’re welcome to pretend that all you ever said was “he didn’t have a lot to work with” and it wasn’t that you spent all year making wild excuses for every mistake he made and reposting literally anyone with a microphone in front of them saying something positive about him and denigrating the character of the guy who most wanted to replace him. The other people on this board participated in and remember those discussions though, no matter what you need to pretend to feel better.
(https://i.postimg.cc/rmPdDBvK/IMG-6913.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bD1YMBYh)
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Yeah, the talent and coaching the last three years were not good enough to support a young developing quarterback. I’ll stand by that for the rest of my days.
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Controversial take, I know.
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I mean, he was given Chase Claypool. How could any quarterback not benefit from that? Overpaying for Claypool was an admission from Poles that Fields didn’t halve enough help. Nevermind the fact he was a complete bust.
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If you could have an honest conversation with Poles, I would almost guarantee you he’d admit that he failed Justin. Sometimes that’s just the way the cookie crumbles unfortunately.
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If you could have an honest conversation with Poles, I would almost guarantee you he’d admit that he failed Justin. Sometimes that’s just the way the cookie crumbles unfortunately.
Poles didn’t, Pace and the previous front office did. What did you want Poles to do exactly?! He’s set the Bears up in two years to be a contender for years to come it appears. There really wasn’t anything he could’ve done for Fields.
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I love how you guys feel any sort of criticism is an all out condemnation of something/someone. I’m clearly on the record as being Pro-Ryan Poles and generally very positive of what’s he’s done here. It doesn’t mean he couldn’t have done a better job of setting up Fields for success. Hiring a better OC at the start could have made a big difference (for example).
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“I don’t like running.” So he’s LAZY is what he’s saying! 😂
I can relate
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If you don’t hire Getsy, you don’t get Lucas Patrick, that’s two of their biggest problems avoided right there
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And to those who want to point out that Getsy got rehired; John Shoop got a 2nd stint in the NFL as an offensive coordinator. Matt Patricia and Marc Trestman are STILL getting jobs in the NFL.
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Revisionist history is nice, huh?!
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Revisionist history is nice, huh?!
Wut.
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Thought this was about Williams. Shocked it took a turn
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Fair point.
Just noticed your sig. how exactly did you make me “your bitch?”
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Fair point.
Just noticed your sig. how exactly did you make me “your bitch?”
LOL. You really have to ask?
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LOL. You really have to ask?
Yes. I suppose you’ll dodge the question, like you keep dodging the the question about what Troy Aikman was wrong about.
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Thought this was about Williams. Shocked it took a turn
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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https://www.on3.com/pro/news/dan-orlovsky-on-caleb-williams-pro-day-underwhelming-performance-throwing-the-football/
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https://www.on3.com/pro/news/dan-orlovsky-on-caleb-williams-pro-day-underwhelming-performance-throwing-the-football/
Absolutely zero critical analysis, this counts for sports journalism these days? What a waste of internet.
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Lol
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Lol
"The ball zips out his right hand and consistently lands where it needs to for his intended target. Timing, precision, strength. The 6-foot, 217-pound quarterback displayed all of those important attributes."
https://allchgo.com/caleb-williams-checked-all-the-boxes-during-uscs-pro-day/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=caleb-williams-checked-all-the-boxes-during-uscs-pro-day
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Lol
"The ball zips out his right hand and consistently lands where it needs to for his intended target. Timing, precision, strength. The 6-foot, 217-pound quarterback displayed all of those important attributes."
https://allchgo.com/caleb-williams-checked-all-the-boxes-during-uscs-pro-day/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=caleb-williams-checked-all-the-boxes-during-uscs-pro-day
From the same article. Surprised Caleb didn’t bless children and announced he’s cured cancer! Lol
(https://i.postimg.cc/0QPQ6mG9/IMG-6934.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QBYswFnz)
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This is really funny to me:
This is someone who has been in Dr. Pepper and Wendy's commercials, is on the packaging for Trolli sour gummy worms and has won a Heisman Trophy.
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This is really funny to me:
This is someone who has been in Dr. Pepper and Wendy's commercials, is on the packaging for Trolli sour gummy worms and has won a Heisman Trophy.
I laughed at that too 😂
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https://x.com/sadeeknextwave/status/1770536524062306346?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MZ39tyW51Q
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https://ontapsportsnet.com/bears/is-caleb-williams-to-the-bears-the-best-situation-in-the-history-of-the-nfl-draft
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I’m guessing my criticising Caleb for this video will get Spark’s panties into a bunch…I don’t really give a shit about the nails or the pink phone; but his sensitivity and need to talk shit to his “haters” on social media is a concern. Not what I want to see from my franchise quarterback heading into his rookie year.
He definitely has rabbit ears (he’s commented on others’ posts as well). If I’m Poles I’d prefer he get off social media. Again, being a bit eccentric doesn’t bother me, “Your girl love ‘em” (along with multiple other examples) hints there could me a maturity issue here. No doubt the talent is there. Just hope he’s not Zach Wilson 2.0.
https://x.com/chicago_nfl/status/1773486705229607268?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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And who the fuck is the clown in the video with him? Please tell me that isn’t his dad…
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Just googled some images of his dad, does not appear to be his dad, thankfully.
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I’m guessing my criticising Caleb for this video will get Spark’s panties into a bunch…I don’t really give a shit about the nails or the pink phone; but his sensitivity and need to talk shit to his “haters” on social media is a concern. Not what I want to see from my franchise quarterback heading into his rookie year.
He definitely has rabbit ears (he’s commented on others’ posts as well). If I’m Poles I’d prefer he get off social media. Again, being a bit eccentric doesn’t bother me, “Your girl love ‘em” (along with multiple other examples) hints there could me a maturity issue here. No doubt the talent is there. Just hope he’s not Zach Wilson 2.0.
https://x.com/chicago_nfl/status/1773486705229607268?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Panties in a bunch?
I think your insistence on stretching so often to find ANYTHING to whine about with Caleb Williams is absolutely hilarious.
I'm not upset - I'm laughing at you.
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Oh, no! Spark is LAUGHING at me!
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So you don’t think “your girlfriend” smack talk to his “haters” on social media is even a little bit punkish?
Again, I’d still draft the kid, but I can’t say I’d do it worry free. He’s shown repeatedly he might be lacking in maturity.
Also again, I don’t give a shit about his pink phone or nails.
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Nope, not at all.
I do for sure find humor in out-of-touch 50 year olds who were mad a year ago that the Bears got paid not to take a dude who killed someone drag racing his car handwringing about a prospect's maturity because of a lighthearted social media video though.
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The kid has rabbit ears, and I hope it’s not a detriment to his preparation for literally one of the hardest jobs in the world to excel at.
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Nope, not at all.
Of course not. Because putting “your girlfriend would rather be with me” smack out on social media is totally normal behavior for the first pick in the NFL draft.
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Nope, not at all.
I do for sure find humor in out-of-touch 50 year olds who were mad a year ago that the Bears got paid not to take a dude who killed someone drag racing his car handwringing about a prospect's maturity because of a lighthearted social media video though.
It was reckless behavior, but as far as I remember I don’t think he directly killed anyone. Are you rooting for the Illini advance in the tourney even though we have a finger rapist (allegedly) leading our team?
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And the main thing that annoyed me about Carter was that they gave him away…to the reigning NFC champion.
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*Triggered*
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Lol
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Yeah, you will. You can open any thread on the front page of this board where you argued insane shit all season for Fields.
You’re welcome to pretend that all you ever said was “he didn’t have a lot to work with” and it wasn’t that you spent all year making wild excuses for every mistake he made and reposting literally anyone with a microphone in front of them saying something positive about him and denigrating the character of the guy who most wanted to replace him. The other people on this board participated in and remember those discussions though, no matter what you need to pretend to feel better.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Px01D94N/IMG-6913.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N97yqNZw)key tester keyboard (https://keyboardtester.co/)
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https://x.com/kylebrandt/status/1773331495513366667?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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https://x.com/kylebrandt/status/1773331495513366667?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Saw that, and have no real disagreement with it. It’s the kid’s rabbit ears and potential lack of focus that has me worried. The kid can be himself all he wants, but learn to tune out the critics or you’ll get eaten up. Especially in a large market like Chicago. I’m concerned that if things start out less than good things could spiral fairly quickly. And I know that makes me an asshole for having a small bit of concern!
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Good point.
Coming from a small market like L.A. might be a little bit much for the kid coming to a large market like Chicago, with it's 2 NFL franchises and grip on the world's entertainment industry.
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😂 plus he’s already had tons of pressure and money and hasn’t made a single fuck up yet in any substantial way. The kid is pretty damn confident in himself and I think that’s a great quality to have for a QB in the NFL. I’m sure he’ll be just fine.
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Good point.
Coming from a small market like L.A. might be a little bit much for the kid coming to a large market like Chicago.
You’re going to compare college to the Chicago Bears? He’s about to get 10x the exposure he’s had.
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Virtually no one cares about sports in LA (especially college). It’s why they can’t keep NFL teams. People only go to Lakers games to be seen.
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Mn ignores the fact that LA didn’t have an NFL team for like 25 years. And not many people cared (except for the NFL brass). The Chargers are basically the visiting team every time they have a “home” game.
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I’d be surprised if half of Hollywood even knows who Caleb Williams is.
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Mn ignores the fact that LA didn’t have an NFL team for like 25 years. And not many people cared (except for the NFL brass). The Chargers are basically the visiting team every time they have a “home” game.
Aren't you forgetting that SC, especially when under Carroll, was a big deal in LA because there was no NFL team? Has that changed with the Ram and the Charger and SC not being as dominant? Maybe.
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Aren't you forgetting that SC, especially when under Carroll, was a big deal in LA because there was no NFL team? Has that changed with the Ram and the Charger and SC not being as dominant? Maybe.
College stars are always treated with kid gloves. We have an alleged sexual assaulter who fans are drooling over and praising in another thread.
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https://x.com/chasedaniel/status/1775530729847586871?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Rut-roh
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https://x.com/chasedaniel/status/1775530729847586871?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Rut-roh
Chase Daniels? Not even going to tap the link on that Fields Cock Sucker. Chase Daniels has always sucked except when he was playing against Illinois.
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Daniels reversed course and said the Bears should draft Caleb.
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Also, this is Orlavsky.
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Also, this is Orlavsky.
The guy who stepped out of the back of his own end zone on purpose.
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The guy who stepped out of the back of his own end zone on purpose
I love how you find a flaw with literally everyone, and it’s often something incredibly random.
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I love how you find a flaw with literally everyone, and it’s often something incredibly random.
That play is literally his career highlight reel.
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If the clip is from this past season, 30-36 with 393 yards passing. He picked up 15 yards on the scramble in the play.
5 TDs on 5 trips in the red zone.
56-10 USC.
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If the clip is from this past season, 30-36 with 393 yards passing. He picked up 15 yards on the scramble in the play.
5 TDs on 5 trips in the red zone.
56-10 USC.
What a bum!
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What a bum!
He’s no Justin Fields!
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My bad.
Williams was only 19-21 for 281 yards, with a long of 75 yards, and 3 tds.
The 2nd stringer did the rest.
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Didn’t the 2nd stringer have the best game of the year for a USC quarterback? And against a ranked team?!
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Didn’t the 2nd stringer have the best game of the year for a USC quarterback? And against a ranked team?!
Had a great bowl game I recall. Are you suggesting Williams did a good job mentoring him?
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Had a great bowl game I recall. Are you suggesting Williams did a good job mentoring him?
Fer sure.
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https://x.com/wcgridiron/status/1776092611058585630?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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I haven’t actually watched this yet.
https://youtu.be/GSWvnuitCJg
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from the woman in the video -
Bears have only 6 seasons in the last 32 years with 10 wins or more
lol
she's actually bringing some good takes despite her annoying voice
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Caleb will have a better supporting cast IMO.
https://talksport.com/sport/1813919/trevor-lawrence-jacksonville-jaguars-caleb-williams-nfl-bears-draft/amp/
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Suck on this Tempo… 😂
https://x.com/calebcsw/status/1777774121109135384?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Suck on this Tempo… 😂
https://x.com/calebcsw/status/1777774121109135384?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Why would I “suck on that?”
And again, the kid has rabbit ears. Hope it doesn’t affect his ability to lock in on being a franchise QB.
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Why would I “suck on that?”
And again, the kid has rabbit ears. Hope it doesn’t affect his ability to lock in on being a franchise QB.
He should delete all social media and escape like Fields did! That helped him so much!
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He should delete all social media and escape like Fields did! That helped him so much!
Never said any of that, but okerrrr.
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Honestly, now that I think about it, it’s kind of irritating Flus got another year and Justin didn’t. Their fares should have been tied together. Flus had a similar year to Justin.
Me advocating for “My Guy” Flus.
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Does 8 wins get Flus fired? What happens if Flus is fired?
Honestly, if they were changing quarterbacks, they should have changed head coaches.
Flus. My Guy!
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Me advocating for “My Guy” Flus.
LOL....only "because Justin didn't"
This is hilarious.
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Flus. My Guy!
March, 2024...WBTC.
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LOL....only "because Justin didn't"
This is hilarious.
No, not “only because.” I said they had similar years. If one was launched, it was reasonable the other should be.
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March, 2024...WBTC.
Again, bitching that the 2022 team didn’t make the playoffs isn’t “AOTC.” It’s unreasonable.
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Again, bitching that the 2022 team didn’t make the playoffs isn’t “AOTC.” It’s unreasonable.
No, it was AOTC because if you paid attention you could still see he sucked as a HC.
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No, it was AOTC because if you paid attention you could still see he sucked as a HC.
Of course! How could he not take that 2022 roster to the playoffs!?
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Of course! How could he not take that 2022 roster to the playoffs!?
That's not the issue. The issue is whether he looked like he knew what he was doing even with limited talent. He didn't.
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That's not the issue. The issue is whether he looked like he knew what he was doing even with limited talent. He didn't.
He was 3-4 games into his career as a HC. I’m betting you’d have fired Belichick early in his career, because he didn’t start off great either.
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PAMan if he were an Eagles fan in 1999. “Fire this fat fuck Andy Reid, he’s clueless!” Reid went 5-11 his rookie year as a HC.
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He was 3-4 games into his career as a HC. I’m betting you’d have fired Belichick early in his career, because he didn’t start off great either.
The Brown did fire him.
How did he fare without Brady?
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The Brown did fire him.
How did he fare without Brady?
Not good. But it’s hard to take away from a guy who won 6 SBs and went to 9, and always had a strong defense across multiple rosters.
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Not good. But it’s hard to take away from a guy who won 6 SBs and went to 9, and always had a strong defense across multiple rosters.
And Brady. And lost his job without him.
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And Brady. And lost his job without him.
But he also built the team that Brady won the Super Bowl with his first couple years when it was simply Tom’s job not to fuck it up.
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Will let you know on January 6th.
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Will let you know on January 6th.
At the rate we’re going I’ll allow it.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2024/11/04/bears-cardinals-film-study-quarterback-caleb-williams-regressing-nfl-patriots
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The more things change, the more they stay the same.
https://x.com/hgrahamnfl/status/1853937023427441127?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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The more things change, the more they stay the same.
https://x.com/hgrahamnfl/status/1853937023427441127?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Was Waldron this bad in Seattle or is this another case of a coach trying to mold players into his system instead of actually coaching to the strengths of what he has to work with?
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Judging by what Seattle fans were saying on the Twotter when we hired him, we shouldn’t be surprised.
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https://youtu.be/IFB9sSgoUUI