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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: Custard on March 05, 2024, 08:50:06 PM
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We will lose this game and Iowa will get in the tourney.
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Iowa has revenge and a tourney spot for added motivation. And they're at home. Expect them to bring everything they got.
If we can pull out a W and kill any tourney hopes for Iowa, man that would just be the sweetest fucking thing.
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Yep still a lot on the line in this game. If I had my druthers we win this one, put a dagger through Iowa’s heart, then lose early in the BTT in a meaningless game for our seeding.
I fear we’ll lose to Iowa and need a deep run in the BTT to be firmly on the 4 seed line; lose early; then get matched up against Auburn in the 4/5 game. If we beat Akron in the first round.
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Iowa has a week off and is playing pretty well and their season is on the line.
Going to be very tough to get out of there with a win.
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How many teams have we beat ranked in the top 25 this year?
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How many teams have we beat ranked in the top 25 this year?
One or two, I think.
Luckily Iowa isn’t ranked.
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Against the current top 25 we have zero.
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Since the Illini cannot win the regular season conference title now, the season is shot.
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Just a frustrating game.
We had a 10 point lead in the first half and lord know it should have been more if not for the bonehead turnovers. The lack of 2nd half adjustments was glaring. Shannon lost his defensive intensity after his 2nd foul and from that point on Smith took over and Purdue dominated us. Combine that with Harmon choking down the stretch with mistake after mistake all along with Ty Rogers watching from the bench while we get destroyed on the glass in the last 6 minutes.
The Defense is still garbage. I liked the first half or so of the Purdue game but then no adjustments in the 2nd half and we watch them shoot wide open 3 after wide open three. Even Smiths last dagger wasn't all that sick of a shot. Dude telegraphed what he was going to do and still had easy separation to get it off. We looked tired at the end of the game.
Looking at all the top 25 teams now I just don't see many teams we can beat or would be favored against, hell we are 0-4 right now. With Purdue, Tennessee, and Marquette being the only ranked teams we played, which kind correlates to why are offensive numbers are so high, we play shit ass teams.
If we get stuck with 4/5 seed we won't get out of the first weekend, but losing to Iowa and a 1 and done the BTT we will likely be a 6seed , but at the expense of a 3 game skid.
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I think jrock needs to step back and quit watching Illini basketball. Just my opinion.
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Since the Illini cannot win the regular season conference title now, the season is shot.
would be fun to ruin Iowa's chances of getting into the big dance though
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I really used to hate Iowa too. But I know people that went there, and I've visited the campus, and I didn't think it would happen but my hatred for that place diminished greatly. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Hawkeye fan, and they can pretty much fuck off, but I don't hold the animosity for the place like I used to.
I was actually in a bar in Iowa City when Steve Alford was coaching. During the Pierre Pierce bullshit. I was chatting with the bartender, told him I was an Illinois guy, and just point blank asked him what he thought about Steve. Again, this was during the time the shit was trying to be covered up. He told me he hated him and needed to be gone, and most people felt the same way. He gave me a few free beers that night, and I made a friend.
So there's that...We need to go in there and fuck them up. Period
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Just a frustrating game.
We had a 10 point lead in the first half and lord know it should have been more if not for the bonehead turnovers. The lack of 2nd half adjustments was glaring. Shannon lost his defensive intensity after his 2nd foul and from that point on Smith took over and Purdue dominated us. Combine that with Harmon choking down the stretch with mistake after mistake all along with Ty Rogers watching from the bench while we get destroyed on the glass in the last 6 minutes.
The Defense is still garbage. I liked the first half or so of the Purdue game but then no adjustments in the 2nd half and we watch them shoot wide open 3 after wide open three. Even Smiths last dagger wasn't all that sick of a shot. Dude telegraphed what he was going to do and still had easy separation to get it off. We looked tired at the end of the game.
Looking at all the top 25 teams now I just don't see many teams we can beat or would be favored against, hell we are 0-4 right now. With Purdue, Tennessee, and Marquette being the only ranked teams we played, which kind correlates to why are offensive numbers are so high, we play shit ass teams.
If we get stuck with 4/5 seed we won't get out of the first weekend, but losing to Iowa and a 1 and done the BTT we will likely be a 6seed , but at the expense of a 3 game skid.
The teams we did beat eventually fell out of top 25 and the ones we didn’t beat are top 5-6 teams. We still haven’t lost a game by double figures this year. It’s not like we’ve played 10 games against top 25 teams this year. It’s a weird year in that regard.
Purdue scored less than 80 against us so I don’t think defense wasn’t the issue. Long scoring droughts and going 0-fer from three in the second half killed us. They got some open threes off of broken plays and good bounces and knocked them down.
Harmon had one in crunch time that he took with no one within 10’ of him and missed it. Domask had one from top of the key wide tf open and barely drew iron. 🤷🏻♂️
Purdue is one of the best 3 teams in the country, have been all year, with a freak of an NPOY that makes them really tough to play, and we’ve given them all they wanted twice. A healthy Marquette or Tennessee are teams capable of winning it all.
So yeah we have played several elite teams really close but haven’t gotten a W. That doesn’t indicate to me that Illinois can’t beat a 4 or 5 seed that would be a clear step down from those other teams we’ve lost to. It indicates to me that we are a clear notch below that level of team and would need a heroic effort and some good bounces to get past one in the tourney.
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We were up 65-64 with 3:25 left.
It was 13-6 from that point on. (EDIT: 66-64 with 3:25 left and we were then outscored 13-5).
Not sure what the answer is to close out games, but we are still searching for answers and rotations at end of games.
Not having a true lead guard has limited Illinois not only this year but for the last 20 years.
Only real point guard since Dwill was McCamey.
I really wish they would just run high pick and rolls with Shannon and Hawkins setting picks and rolling or popping out at end of shot clocks.
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We were up 65-64 with 3:25 left.
It was 13-6 from that point on.
Not sure what the answer is to close out games, but we are still searching for answers and rotations at end of games.
Not having a true lead guard has limited Illinois not only this year but for the last 20 years.
Only real point guard since Dwill was McCamey.
I really wish they would just run high pick and rolls with Shannon and Hawkins setting picks and rolling or popping out at end of shot clocks.
We have 3 top tier D1 scorers and can't figure out how to get a bucket at the end of games? That's on the coaching. They need to step it up and stop running this NBA iso garbage. It does NOT WORK in college.
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That’s an interesting take on our most prolific offense in 35 years.
It’s the lack of a true cold blooded lead guard that really kills the offense at the end of games when the other team ratchets up the defensive pressure and the half court O stalls out. We saw that on display last night.
Purdue can be a really good defensive team, and having Edey takes away a lot of what Shannon normally does at the end of games.
And again, we got some good looks and just missed them. They made theirs. 🤷🏻♂️
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I'm only referring to our seemingly common end of game woes, obviously the rest of the game the offense is working just fine. And true about Shannon's driving is negated by any good shot blocker but you could have him drive and dump off to the guy behind edey for an easy 2
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Who would ever think that a good defense can stop a good offense?
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We can run iso and be more active doing it.
We can also run iso and be less active doing it. The less active is, imo, less productive and it's more of a beat your man 1 on 1.
Be active and toss some nice passes like PU did. It was nice watching their 2nd half offense.
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I'm only referring to our seemingly common end of game woes, obviously the rest of the game the offense is working just fine. And true about Shannon's driving is negated by any good shot blocker but you could have him drive and dump off to the guy behind edey for an easy 2
I’m not really sure why he was so passive in this game but have seen some comments about a left wrist issue floating around out there. But yeah the lack of a true lead guard—Brad’s offseason failure whether he wants to admit it or not—has come back to haunt us many times this season.
At the same time, for perspective, we were preseason borderline top 25 and Purdue has spent the entire season ranked 1-3.
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We have a lot of good pieces and have had good success in conference but it is arguably weaker than normal BT.
Going to refer back to this:
This article from Champaign Room pretty informative:
https://www.thechampaignroom.com/2024/2/22/24079892/accept-the-reality-of-illinois-basketball-underwood-big-ten-penn-state-ncaa-tournament-tsj-hawkins (https://www.thechampaignroom.com/2024/2/22/24079892/accept-the-reality-of-illinois-basketball-underwood-big-ten-penn-state-ncaa-tournament-tsj-hawkins)
L at Penn State (90-89): 0 FG in the final 2:30. Penn State ended the game on a 20-7 run, erasing a 12-point lead in the final 8:00.
W at Maryland (85-80): 0 FG in the final 1:53. Illinois blew a 7-point lead and let Maryland tie the game twice.
L at Michigan State (88-80): 1 FG in the final 7:38. Michigan State ended the game on a 24-8 run, turning an 8-point Illinois lead into an 8-point Illinois loss.
W vs. Nebraska (87-84 OT): 0 FG in the final 3:29 (of regulation). Timeout heard around the world. Underwood calls a timeout to “set the defense.” Nebraska closes regulation on an 11-1 run to force OT. Marcus Domask made one free throw after Nebraska “fouled” him with under five seconds left.
L at Northwestern (96-91 OT): 1 FG in the final 3:29. Domask missed a 10-footer to win the game at the buzzer. Could not stop anyone in OT.
W vs.Michigan State (71-68): 1 FG for the final 5:29. No Terrence Shannon, Jr. for this game. Illinois gutted out a win.
Loss at Purdue (83-78): 0 FG in the final 3:06. Fake rally comes up short.
Total damage: 27:44 of game action - four total field goals made.
Add the 5 points and one field goal in 3:25 in the PU loss. (I made error- we were up 66-64 with 3:25 left).
So total of five (5) field goals in 31:09.
Agree with all the comments. It is coaching, and it is a lack of roster construction.
They need to find a simple approach that gets us points at end of games.
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We better not F this up
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17-2 start on the road. Can't complain about that!
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Yes very nice start.
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17-2 start on the road. Can't complain about that!
Playing defense so far.
Guerrier going man's game.
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Did I not see Dave Scholz 1968 season scoring avg of 22 points per game on that list of 6 top scorers for a season?
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I didn't like the Iowa +1.5 and i don't bet sports unless in Vegas but when I saw that this morning in my head you go big on Illinois there.
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DO NOT let these POS from xxxx back in the game dammit. Get the foot back on the gas peddle.
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Harding has moxie.
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Iowa woke up. We're the ones taking a nap now.
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Of course we’re gonna let these fuckers back in the game…
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Dainja??
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Harding is gonna go off on our asses, isn't he?
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Game of runs time to get another one.
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We literally fucked around and now we’re gonna find out. Shake my head.
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Stop the bleeding and keep the lead at double digits going into half.
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Sorry is my fault.. started watching the game
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3 for TSJ.
How in the hell did he get back so fast to block that?!
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3 for TSJ.
How in the hell did he get back so fast to block that?!
I thought it was a clean block but I was waiting for the zebras to blow the whistle on that.
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Hope we can overcome the Caitlin Clark boost in the 2nd half.
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I thought it was a clean block but I was waiting for the zebras to blow the whistle on that.
Shocked the stupid refs didn't blow the whistle.
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Making Harding look like John Stockton. WTF?
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Making Harding look like John Stockton. WTF?
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Illinois ALWAYS allows some average guy to go off.
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It would be nice to put the Quad Cities Hawkeyes away quickly.
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WTF is Domask doing?
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Just dumb play by us too much.
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Playing with fire giving Sandfort open look after open look.
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They get wide-open 3’s and we keep turning the fucking ball over. Ridiculously stupid basketball.
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So xxxx players can push guys in the back to create a loose ball?
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So xxxx players can push guys in the back to create a loose ball?
Oh the refs are absolutely playing into the boost from Iowa.
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Blowing a 20 point lead portends badly for The Only Tournament That Matters.
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We're pissing away so many point blank chances too.
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Harmon's shot looks broke. Wide open and doesn't catch anything but backboard.
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In a way, I'd rather not play them game 1 of TOTTM
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Can’t be playing Harmon right now.
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Can’t be playing Harmon right now.
Let him shoot his way out of it.
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Domask with the bailout 😂
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Domask with a fade away from near the three point line. How in the fuck did he get that off let alone make it?
And now he's heating up!
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Kind of a strange game. Just fucking win it.
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Gotta get Harmon out of there, his shooting isn't close. He knows it's not going in.
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Dainja 2 Free Shots!!!
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This game cannot end fast enough
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Dainja 2 Free Shots!!!
D'oh!
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Ty Rodgers needs to get +5 minutes on top of his season average from here on out.
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Nice win, but a lot to clean up after this one going into the tournaments.
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Too little, too late, too bad for xxxx
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Defense is back!!!
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Eat shit McCaffreys and xxxx.
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Held to Iowa to 8 points and 3 made FGs in the final 7:00. Best defensive showing since maybe the first game against Rutgers all the way back in December. Nice road W.
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I just presumed Clark was a rug muncher. That she is dating a McCaffrey confirmed it because they are pussies.
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I just presumed Clark was a rug muncher. That she is dating a McCaffrey confirmed it because they are pussies.
Yeah Conner is a huge fucking douchebag.
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6-6 in Q1 games. We were 2-10 last year.
And we could see this same Iowa team again next week. We play the winner of the Iowa/OSU game.
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Was fully expecting a sluggish game we would eventually lose coming off an emotional loss to Purdue on Senior Night. Team came out and built a big lead, made some dumb mistakes and lost most of it, but calmly righted the ship and won going away. Quality road win to end regular season play and something to build off of.
Don’t really want to play them again in our first game of BTT but Ohio State is going to do the Cinderella thing, aren’t they?
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I just presumed Clark was a rug muncher. That she is dating a McCaffrey confirmed it because they are pussies.
HAHAHA, HEY-OOOOOO!
They should have somehow snuck her into the game.
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Yeah Conner is a huge fucking douchebag.
I bet she beats him at playing "horse" every game.
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Bet she pegs the hell out of him.
Good defensive effort again tonight. Night and day difference from a few games ago. Iowa missed some open ones though thank goodness.
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Blowing a 20 point lead portends badly for The Only Tournament That Matters.
We played with more intensity for sure which was great. Caught Iowa on an off night from Krikke and Perkins and Freeman.
Agree with others we have work to do.
Dainja looking good which we need inside.
Otherwise bench guys need to step it up.
Not crazy about playing Iowa again.
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Bet she pegs the hell out of him.
Good defensive effort again tonight. Night and day difference from a few games ago. Iowa missed some open ones though thank goodness.
Agree, played better defense and they missed some open shots.
And our guys missed quite a few right around the rim. Can't have that crap.
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Bet she pegs the hell out of him.
Was just getting ready to say this 😂
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Talk about bumping uglies. Yuck!
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This makes me so happy.
https://x.com/ALionEye/status/1766995204169490521?s=20
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This makes me so happy.
https://x.com/ALionEye/status/1766995204169490521?s=20
That's great. Thanks !!!!
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It would be nice to put the Quad Cities Hawkeyes away quickly.
That's just...that's hurtful.
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Eat shit McCaffreys and xxxx.
I was wondering if Fran has any grandsons who will be playing for him soon...