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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: Jrock74 on February 10, 2024, 10:49:41 AM
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Must win for MSU 2-7 Q1 record. Walker playing on 1 leg.
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MSU is odd team. #15 in Torvik. We are #13.
They have beaten Baylor, MD twice, and the new hard on of IlliniHQ Indiana State.
Will be tough one.
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Sparty favored by 3.5
Hopefully Illini bring their A game after this week of practice
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Hopefully we win comfortably since I'm not the one who started the thread. ;D
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I don’t see us losing or having a hard time with this game…
*Knock on wood
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Hoping we look sharp after a week off. Everyone is calling this a must win for Sparty, but it’s really one for us, too. Need any good win we can get and this would be considered one. A loss here pretty much ends the B1G regular season race. Not that the regular season is that meaningful these days with the unbalanced (and soon to get worse) schedules.
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Who gave the color guy a tv job ?
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Who gave the color guy a tv job ?
Some weirdos 😂
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Some weirdos 😂
Weirdos watched his application video on mute. :D
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Fuckin Hawkins. Dumbass
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That is both a bonehead move and the dumbest T I've seen called in some time.
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That is both a bonehead move and the dumbest T I've seen called in some time.
So what did he do to get the T?
That little dago dumbass in green needs to shut his ass or get a T.
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Msu hacking the fuck out of us soon as we get i side the 3 point line.
Izzo is such a fag.
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Damn it we are gonna let them come back and stay in this game.
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Stupid basketball. They’re raping us too when we drive in.
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Who gave the color guy a tv job ?
Typical lousy guy from NY.
Take your pick of lousy color guys: Raffterey, Bardo, Brucie....
Uhh, refs, that's called goal tending, you dumbasses.
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Get away from the Domask ISOs. They aren't working.
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Get away from the Domask ISOs. They aren't working.
Plus, no motion, just set up camps around the 3 line
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I fucking hate playing MSU at their place. They get away with hacking the shit out of us every fucking play.
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Our defense has been getting cooked the last month and a half.
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Guys let that last 5-6 minutes get away from them....regroup and play on!!
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Our defense has been getting cooked the last month and a half.
We need to quit switching every screen.
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Izzo will make some adjustments. We need to do the same.
We're getting outshot and outrebounded.
Can't give up 44 in a half and hope to win.
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Guys let that last 5-6 minutes get away from them....regroup and play on!!
The good thing is we're only down 3. You knew Sparty wasn't gonna lay down for us at home. They're playing like a team that desperately needs to win this game.
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The good thing is we're only down 3. You knew Sparty wasn't gonna lay down for us at home. They're playing like a team that desperately needs to win this game.
Very true, Hoggard in the 2nd is my worry, he always seems to be a thorn. Force them to shoot 3's with us....I think we win that and or also win the rebound total, if not....this game will become way tighter than it was in the 1st for our guys.
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Wow, TSJ with the long 3! Then let Walker get the And 1.
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Get back on fucking defense!!!
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That’s a foul or fucking goaltend!
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That's not a goaltend?? Ok.
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Let’s fucking go! Don’t let these guys win this street fight!
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I fucking hate playing MSU at their place. They get away with hacking the shit out of us every fucking play.
And if they hack and the zebras have the balls to call fouls, then that dago bitch goes crazy to get them to swallow the whistle.
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Quit switching and play some damn defense.
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2 goal tending calls missed so far is the difference in the lead and the cover!
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2 goal tending calls missed so far is the difference in the lead and the cover!
Need to quit giving them layup after layup too…
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Refs with a couple quick make up calls to make it even…
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Put these bitches away now!
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Call it both ways, refs.
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Mortal Kombat style; Finish him!
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Need to quit giving them layup after layup too…
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We have to be down 12 in points in the paint stat
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Hawkins is elite defensively. If he doesn’t win the defensive player of the year award in the Big Ten, it’s rigged.
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Hawkins is elite defensively. If he doesn’t win the defensive player of the year award in the Big Ten, it’s rigged.
His hot head will probably keep him from getting it
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That’s our ball!
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How the fuck is that out on us?!
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Here comes the ref show. Please close this out.
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Quit "settling " for 3s.
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Hawkins got fucking hacked and no call!
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Hawkins butchered, no foul
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This is Nebraska all over again.
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Here comes the ref show. Please close this out.
This…
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This is Nebraska all over again.
Team has no killer instinct. Build a lead then get stagnant and flat footed on D. Starters needed a blow now it’s too late. Brad coaching tight. Going to be trusting the zebras to call a good game the last four minutes and you know the B1G wants Izzo in the tourney. 🙄
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Surprised goal tending not called by the stinking refs.
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Goode shoved in back, no foul
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Why the fuck isn’t Rodgers in?
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These fucking refs are calling some horseshit!!
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Why is Goode in there what are we doing this is insanity
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Fans chanting, “no means no.” Too bad they aren’t doing the horns down sign so the refs can call a technical lol
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Shoving Goode with the shoulder multiple times, foul on Goode
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Unreal. Harmon and Goode have no business being out there.
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Why the fuck isn’t Rodgers in?
Because BU isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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Well that’s about the end of it…
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We just shat ourselves on national TV.
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Unfuckingreal
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Rodgers better be hurt
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Unreal. Harmon and Goode have no business being out there.
They're usually good at the line but we're not shooting any
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So fucking pissed. What the actual fuck Brad
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18-4 run. Absolutely disgusting what we've done in the last 5 minutes.
We got lucky not finishing off Nebraska. It appears we won't have that same luck today. This defense is full blown aids. 82 points given up to a Sparty team that totaled 56 points against the Gophers.
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Unreal. Harmon and Goode have no business being out there.
Well, Goode is now out of there.
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Well, Goode is now out of there.
It took fouling out to get him out of there. Clear as fucking day that MSU was hunting Goode and Brad does jack shit about it. 100% a coaching failure to have Rodgers sitting this long.
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Utterly head-scratching. The type of collapse where you wonder which of the players had money on MSU.
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Brad has some splainin’ to do. To add insult to injury CBS pulled the game down here and went to COMMERCIAL before tip of Kentucky game.
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Utterly head-scratching. The type of collapse where you wonder which of the players had money on MSU.
Or refs…
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Can't say I'm loving this team's chances of even advancing the past first weekend of the tourney if they keep this play up.
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It took fouling out to get him out of there. Clear as fucking day that MSU was hunting Goode and Brad does jack shit about it. 100% a coaching failure to have Rodgers sitting this long.
Absolutely agree with your post. He screwed up big time.
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Like I said, you can't give up 44 in a half and expect to win.
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Shoot 40% from three in the road and get 28 from Shannon I would have thought we’d win but no Brad has a complete and utter brain cramp and lets Sparty abuse Goode possession after possession. Harmon has a second straight game where he provides nothing down the stretch except throwing the ball to the other fucking team while Rodgers inexplicably watches from the bench.
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Worst over all ball handling of the entire year...pathetic that graduates and seniors telegraph on obvious iso plays...ILLINI pissed this one away 2-3 times they deserve to lose even if it was a hard fought game.
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Giving up 88 points to Sparty is embarrassing.
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1 FG made in the final 7:30. You're not beating anyone, certainly not Sparty in East Lansing, running shit offense to close out a game.
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Won't get to the second week of the tourney with this coach.
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Like I said, you can't give up 44 in a half and expect to win.
I don't think that is called defense.
Last 7 minutes outscored 24-8. Horseshit play.
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Michigan up next. We don't play defense and the gimme might not be a gimme. Then at Md, who we can't beat, and at tPSU.
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Worst over all ball handling of the entire year...pathetic that graduates and seniors telegraph on obvious iso plays...ILLINI pissed this one away 2-3 times they deserve to lose even if it was a hard fought game.
I agree. A veteran team shouldn't play this sloppy in crunch time. We should have won this.
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https://twitter.com/JWerner247/status/1756433027016819196
Yeah that's just not good enough, Brad.
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I guess if it takes this soul crushing loss to wake Brad the fuck up and get the right guys on the court in crunch time, I’ll take it. But I have my doubts. Absolute coaching failure and it’s squarely on his shoulders.
We had 6! days rest for this game. Do better. Too much talent and experience on this team to come out and shit ourselves the last 5 minutes when we once again had a sizeable lead. Those two back to back giveaways were a dagger.
The ONLY excuse I want to hear come out of Brad’s mouth about Rodgers better be he was hurt. Otherwise he needs to own the failure.
Goode and Harmon were hot garbage out there and he made NO adjustments. He’s been on record lately saying he gets too caught up coaching the guys on the floor versus making personnel adjustments. Well Brad, here is your fucking sign.
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The assistants should have shoved Ty into the fucking floor
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This game had a tourney feel. We did not execute at all.
We need to figure out the primary ball handler or trigger on offense late.
And our D has been soft for weeks.
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Couldn't watch the game. Had a feeling we would lose and was hoping to be pleasantly surprised but nope. Win 2 (or 1), lose 1. Rinse and repeat.
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That was like, really really bad. Those two gimmie turnovers with 2 mins to go were just frosting on a shit cake.
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This game had a tourney feel. We did not execute at all.
We need to figure out the primary ball handler or trigger on offense late.
And our D has been soft for weeks.
The defense is more concerning for me. Sparty scored 88 points and they only attempted 8 threes so it's not like they scored the bulk of that hitting tough step backs like Tominaga was. It was a lay up line all game.
Apparently a rookie assistant is tasked with running our defense. Might want to change the voice there because whatever we're doing isn't working right now. That also falls on the head coach.
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Trying not to let this ruin my whole fucking weekend but it’s not working. I was in a good mood because I had just finished booking an early April vacation and managed to get an awesome AirBNB on the beach for the first leg of the trip. Two hours later and I wanted to drive into a goddamned bridge abutment.
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Goode could really not guard anyone on MSU team. Not sure why he was in there so much down the stretch as we needed stops and a usable ballhandler to get it to Domask, Shannon, and Hawkins in positions to make plays.
Running through Hawkins worked pretty well with him doing a pretty effective 1/4 set from the side, but they went away from it. Hawkins has really improved his ability to get his own shot which makes that work.
And nobody on MSU could handle TSj and he had actually less touches when we had the drought.
Really, just give him the ball and get the fuck out of the way and let him go to hole.
My concern all year has been endgame execution. Hope we adjust.
And on D we are not really stopping anything as well as we were earlier in year.
It seems like when we got our offense going after Xmas we stopped guarding in space, and closing out, and helping. Basic shit.
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I think we are actually better off with another player other than Domask bringing the ball up against pressuring quick guards. With Domask, it seems they pressure and reach around to get steals, (several this year) today was another example. Yet with Rodgers bringing it up quickly, even the athletic guards are back peddling, not to mention any type of mismatch with a big guarding him.
Doubts were a plenty beginning of the year with Rodgers being pg, it seems Domask is really and we are better with Ty!
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Offense is way to stagnant for the MOST talented team in the B1G to have droughts etc....those were Izzo words, not mine.
BU better figure this out, 3 on the road coming up, pissed away a Top 10 ranking and maybe a 3 seed with this loss.
I know it was at MSU, but damn, Wisky lost, separation is what we needed today, instead we got constipation for about 12-15 minutes of this game with a Top 10 ranked team.
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Michigan up next. We don't play defense and the gimme might not be a gimme. Then at Md, who we can't beat, and at tPSU.
If we drop one to Michigan at home, panic buttons everywhere are going off.
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If we drop one to Michigan at home, panic buttons everywhere are going off.
LOL. That would be bad, but we need to stop the we can outscore people mentality. Kind of Iowa like.
We are down to 39th in Adj defense in KenPom, 47th in Torvik. Will not go far in NCAA's unless we can get more stops.
The weirdest stat I have seen for this team all year is no ability get TO's, which really means we are not getting any deflections, or hard traps.
We rank 358th in country out of 362.
I think teams get into their stuff or get where they want to go a little too comfortably lately. We have some size and length, and strength (except for the post), but not much in terms of putting pressure on teams.
We get beat off the dribble and isolations a lot. Need to clean up some things.
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Having Domask & Goode on the court @ the same time is not good for a team that likes to switch everything. Too easy for the opposing team to get a favorable matchup.
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I also had the “let them score so we can get the ball back” thought that Iowa (and Lou Tepper) plays with. Brad has gone full retard on the NBA style of play concepts.
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I don't think we have the foot speed to guard out front against quick guards.
Nonetheless, we better get back to playing some defense.
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Does anyone else think it's weird how Underwood will invoke defense when explaining his decision not to play certain freshmen? Yet, he still plays people like Goode and Domask (matchup'd up w/ guards)...I mean he even played A Plummer even though he was horrific on defense.
He needs to play DGL.
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I don't think we have the foot speed to guard out front against quick guards.
Nonetheless, we better get back to playing some defense.
Agree.
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LOL. That would be bad, but we need to stop the we can outscore people mentality. Kind of Iowa like.
We are down to 39th in Adj defense in KenPom, 47th in Torvik. Will not go far in NCAA's unless we can get more stops.
The weirdest stat I have seen for this team all year is no ability get TO's, which really means we are not getting any deflections, or hard traps.
We rank 358th in country out of 362.
I think teams get into their stuff or get where they want to go a little too comfortably lately. We have some size and length, and strength (except for the post), but not much in terms of putting pressure on teams.
We get beat off the dribble and isolations a lot. Need to clean up some things.
I agree, thinking about it makes me wish we didn't redshirt S Harris.
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I advocated a few weeks ago to burn his RS. This is probably our best chance to do something in the tourney for a couple years unless we clean house in the portal. He doesn’t need huge minutes by any means but we desperately need someone who can stay in front of someone. It’s not like he wasn’t any threat at all to score and we have a bunch of guys who can do that.
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I advocated a few weeks ago to burn his RS. This is probably our best chance to do something in the tourney for a couple years unless we clean house in the poet. He doesn’t need huge minutes by any means but we desperately need someone who can stay in front of someone. It’s not like he wasn’t any threat at all to score and we have a bunch of guys who can do that.
What about Ty Rodgers?
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Ty can’t stay in front of quick guards really either although he’s a big step up from Luke Goode, the walking And 1
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DGL has quickness on defense. Bring him in for a couple of minutes every now and then to help shake up any rhythym the other team might have on offense.
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Ty can't get low enough. On the ball it doesn't matter so much. But when your getting screened off-ball, being low is crucial to getting through a screen. Trent Frazier, for example, was elite in that aspect.
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This feels like a critical point. Make some fucking adjustments.
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Upon further review, there were no road wins in the Big10 yesterday.
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On the bright side, Dainja made both of his free shots.
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Upon further review, there were no road wins in the Big10 yesterday.
Shit happens on the road. We gave up 24 points in last six minutes.
Think about that for a minute. And MSU actually missed a bunch of free throws during that time.
I think all four of road games left could be tough.
We will bounce back. Still a work in progress.
In retrospect, have to agree Harris probably could be helping for 8-10 mpg on D to change the flow.
That said, I think we still get 13 or maybe even 14 wins. We are looking at a solid 4 seed unless we upset Purdue at home or BTT to sneak into a 3, or conversely a 5/6 if we tank and finish 12-8.
Assuming we are a 3,4,5, or 6 seed at worse we will still have to play very well in any R32 game to get through.
We are a good team, but not dominate good at this point unless something changes.
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Shit happens on the road. We gave up 24 points in last six minutes.
Think about that for a minute. And MSU actually missed a bunch of free throws during that time.
I think all four of road games left could be tough.
We will bounce back. Still a work in progress.
In retrospect, have to agree Harris probably could be helping for 8-10 mpg on D to change the flow.
That said, I think we still get 13 or maybe even 14 wins. We are looking at a solid 4 seed unless we upset Purdue at home or BTT to sneak into a 3, or conversely a 5/6 if we tank and finish 12-8.
Assuming we are a 3,4,5, or 6 seed at worse we will still have to play very well in any R32 game to get through.
We are a good team, but not dominate good at this point unless something changes.
I don't worry much about our win totals or seed per se.
Fix the issues that appear to be fairly obvious and wins and the seed take care of themselves.
We saw the same problem but with a different issue last year. We jacked up poorly timed 3s and 3s by the wrong people while shooting too many 3s poorly. Those issues were readily apparent also.
Underwood's teams win on effort more so than ability.
When we were playing well, our passes were quick, nobody held the ball and there was movement. Now we're looking for iso plays and we're not quick enough to rely on that
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I think that the effort thing is true to a point, but the teams he has had here have hit their limits because of skill issues.
No true lead guard.
Spotty shooting and half court offense.
I will not even get into the in game coaching rigidity.
We are an experienced team with talent missing a couple pieces.
Hawkins and TSj and Domask and Guerrier and Rodgers playing some of best ball in their careers.
The sum should be greater than the parts at some point.
We will see.
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I don't think we have the foot speed to guard out front against quick guards.
Nonetheless, we better get back to playing some defense.
I was surprised that BU went to a zone for a MS possession late in the 1st half with Hawkins on the floor with 2 fouls. Next possession, back to man d.
They're getting burned so badly recently with drives into the lane in man to man. Points in the paint and 3 point plays killing them. I made a comment a couple weeks ago as to why BU can't play zone to change things. 2-1-2 could stop this large amount of points in the paint. Not saying play zone the whole game, just change things up. Sure didn't kill Boeheim at Syracuse, who had a fairly decent amount of wins playing a 2-3 zone.
Rodgers should not have been sitting that 2nd half. Not a shooter by any means, but he can make things happen. Hustles, rebounds, he can get points on drives. There is just way too much standing around the 3 line.
BU needs to wake up. Lost some games that shouldn't have been lost, going back a few years.
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I could be wrong, but I think we played zone two possessions and they scored both times. One on a wide open midrange, and one on an easy dump down.
Same issue they have with playing man- just not moving their feet like they were earlier in year.
I am no Rodgers fan, but agree he should have been in there down the stretch. He plays hard and gets Offensive boards and is physical defender.
It was tied with 3 minutes to go. A couple plays can make the difference. We are going to have about 6 or 7 games like that rest of year.
We have to find the guys who can make the plays at end game.
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I could be wrong, but I think we played zone two possessions and they scored both times. One on a wide open midrange, and one on an easy dump down.
Same issue they have with playing man- just not moving their feet like they were earlier in year.
I am no Rodgers fan, but agree he should have been in there down the stretch. He plays hard and gets Offensive boards and is physical defender.
It was tied with 3 minutes to go. A couple plays can make the difference. We are going to have about 6 or 7 games like that rest of year.
We have to find the guys who can make the plays at end game.
I believe you are correct on zone #'s, starting to feel like the players as hard as they are switching/etc, seem to depend on CoHawk and his defensive abilities more than staying in front of a man. To many times, yesterday, our defender could have easily backed off, stayed in front, raised arms and MADE the MSU team shoot outside. Their guards wanted and DID penetrate all game.
Rodgers is the glue and the energy for this team. We have 3 proven night in and night out scorers. We should not have depend on Goode/Harmon so much at crunch time, we need the play or Rodgers and dare I say Dain a little as well.
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On the bright side, Dainja made both of his free shots.
He should have only had to take 1
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He should have only had to take 1
Correct, should have been a 3 point play but shit BIG10 refs at it again.
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I think that the effort thing is true to a point, but the teams he has had here have hit their limits because of skill issues.
No true lead guard.
Spotty shooting and half court offense.
I will not even get into the in game coaching rigidity.
We are an experienced team with talent missing a couple pieces.
Hawkins and TSj and Domask and Guerrier and Rodgers playing some of best ball in their careers.
The sum should be greater than the parts at some point.
We will see.
I didn't mean to imply that we don't have talent when I said Underwood's teams win on effort not talent.
We don't have the ability to run much iso, but when we rely on iso everyone seems to stand around waiting for the ball to see if they can break their man down. Earlier in the year we would have several successive passes that were quick and the motion helped guys get open for clean shots.
Iso generally gets us dribbling into trouble and looking for a pass to a guy who isn't moving.
Guerrier could use a double double or 2 to get back to his old self.
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Michigan state did a good job pressuring the ball and taking us out of our rhythm in the half court. I think that’s part of why we didn’t see consistently good ball movement, but there certainly were flashes.
Agree with a take I saw this morning on TOS. This team doesn’t look like they’re having fun. That wasn’t the case earlier in the season.
Michigan State played like a team that was playing for their lives. The home court advantage was worth at least 5-7 points yesterday and the zebras another few. Brad coached tight, the players played tight.
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Another positive is that Shannon is getting closer to what he was pre-suspension. Just needs to scale back the three attempts. He's capable of going on a heater but he still can't be taking 9-10 threes a game. Let him do what he does best which is get down hill attacking the rim and eat at the line when he's fouled.
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Agree. It seems like the best go to option when we have to manufacture points.
With the new rule where defender has to have feet set before the offensive player leaves the ground (if I understand it correctly) the advantage really goes to the offensive player.
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Just read an article about the MS game. The reason Hawkins got a T from the ref: some fan yelled at Hawkins "You suck!". Hawkins hits the 3 and says "boom" at the guy. I guess he yells this when he hits a 3. So the ref issues the T. ????
Come on. Seriously!? Hey Big 10, clean up the horrible officiating that goes on every game.
If he's flailing his arms and hollering at a ref for a lousy call, it does get old. I could see it. But because he responded to an antagonist knucklehead rooting for that bitch Izzo, come on.