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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: Beach Bum on December 29, 2023, 09:26:39 PM
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New ESPN article is worrisome. This really sucks. If he's guilty the dominoes will fall and both will lose their jobs.
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New ESPN article is worrisome. This really sucks. If he's guilty the dominoes will fall and both will lose their jobs.
Huh?!
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Are you high?!
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Sorry. Sounds like they knew about it right after it happened. If he's found guilty or accepts any type of blame theni can't imagine JW can stay.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39206736/illinois-ad-says-school-saw-charging-documents-terrance-shannon-jr-social-media
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Illinois would never be so lucky.
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Sorry. Sounds like they knew about it right after it happened. If he's found guilty or accepts any type of blame theni can't imagine JW can stay.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39206736/illinois-ad-says-school-saw-charging-documents-terrance-shannon-jr-social-media
Yeah no
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I don’t think them getting fired over this is a big leap.
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Not happening
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I don’t think them getting fired over this is a big leap.
Why do you think it isn't a big leap?
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No
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I don’t think them getting fired over this is a big leap.
Seriously, what the fuck are you guys smoking?!
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There is a greater chance Shannon is cleared.
Apparently, the incident was inappropriate touching in a bar. I can't imagine a forceable rape charge sticking.
Misdemeanor sexual battery seems like a stretch.
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There is a greater chance Shannon is cleared.
Apparently, the incident was inappropriate touching in a bar. I can't imagine a forceable rape charge sticking.
Misdemeanor sexual battery seems like a stretch.
Even if he is cleared it's unlikely to be during the season unfortunately.
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Even if he is cleared it's unlikely to be during the season unfortunately.
That 3 person panel can reinstate him.
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There is a greater chance Shannon is cleared.
Apparently, the incident was inappropriate touching in a bar. I can't imagine a forceable rape charge sticking.
Misdemeanor sexual battery seems like a stretch.
If so, WTF is wrong with the DA to charge TSJ 3 months later. Fingers crossed. Maybe Bill Self or Snacks is behind this.
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If so, WTF is wrong with the DA to charge TSJ 3 months later. Fingers crossed. Maybe Bill Self or Snacks is behind this.
It’s obviously Hunter Dickinson. Hates Illinois and still pissed off Shannon didn’t join him at Michigan. 😬
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It’s obviously Hunter Dickinson. Hates Illinois and still pissed off Shannon didn’t join him at Michigan. 😬
You may be on to something here…😁
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Why do you think it isn't a big leap?
Art Briles was fired for less
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There is a greater chance Shannon is cleared.
Apparently, the incident was inappropriate touching in a bar. I can't imagine a forceable rape charge sticking.
Misdemeanor sexual battery seems like a stretch.
Sticking your hands down someone’s pants if they don’t want you to do it is a felony. Even if the person was a friend. And I assume if there’s penetration, it’s considered rape.
Jason Reda, if you read his story, was horsing around with his buddies and got stuck with a sex charge.
Shannon’s never going to play here again. And he better hope the video tape evidence isn’t that damaging. I assume it is otherwise he wouldn’t have been charged.
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Art Briles was fired for less
I asked Tempo.
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Watched the Whitman presser. Man were the questions fucking stupid. He handled it exceedingly well, which makes sense because he’s obviously an android. Just 2023 sentient robot University-speak.
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Watched the Whitman presser. Man were the questions fucking stupid. He handled it exceedingly well, which makes sense because he’s obviously an android. Just 2023 sentient robot University-speak.
What he say about how he learned about the allegations and if he spoke with TSJ (which I'm skeptical his lawyer would allow him to do, but who knows?).
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Watched the Whitman presser. Man were the questions fucking stupid. He handled it exceedingly well, which makes sense because he’s obviously an android. Just 2023 sentient robot University-speak.
He did handle it well, but man it’s hard listening to him whistle nonstop while speaking with those teeth…
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What he say about how he learned about the allegations and if he spoke with TSJ (which I'm skeptical his lawyer would allow him to do, but who knows?).
It’s like 30 minutes, just do me a favor and watch it. I’m not giving away the fruits of my misery for free my guy.
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Watched the Whitman presser. Man were the questions fucking stupid. He handled it exceedingly well, which makes sense because he’s obviously an android. Just 2023 sentient robot University-speak.
I just felt him roll his eyes at a couple of the questions. Like he didn’t but you could absolutely tell he wanted to.
Whitman is pretty impressive in situations like this IMO.
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Yes, I am glad Whitman is our AD and he has handled this and lots of other things very well in my opinion…
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Couldn’t agree more.
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There is a greater chance Shannon is cleared.
Apparently, the incident was inappropriate touching in a bar. I can't imagine a forceable rape charge sticking.
Misdemeanor sexual battery seems like a stretch.
I don’t disagree, I just don’t think firing is a huge leap. I don’t envision it happening, though.
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I don’t disagree, I just don’t think firing is a huge leap. I don’t envision it happening, though.
You don't think it will happen, but it wouldn't surprise you if it did?
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Watched the WCIA video on The YouTube. I have more questions about their adherence to their own policies, based on how Gunether Jr described the process, how it gets triggered, etc. in his intro, that's for sure.
Did they even have UIPD follow up with Lawrence PD to see if the investigation had been closed? Obviously not.
Someone may question how "forthcoming" TSJ was about his weekend in Lawrence in their discussions.
The cops are asking to interview him and you are asking him what happened that weekend instead of asking him if he needs a lawyer or suggesting he lawyer up first? Granted, it is possible he did do that.
Did they try and FOIA the police report? Granted, it probably did not need to be produced until the investigation was complete.
Not sure I'm impressed with what I just heard. Bob's question about the media PR stuff was a good one given they obviously had not confirmed closure on this.
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Harrumph.
From the Wiki .....
"After receiving his J.D. degree summa cum laude in 2008, Whitman took a job in Washington D.C. working as an attorney for Covington & Burling, which serves as outside legal counsel for the NFL."
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Watched the WCIA video on The YouTube. I have more questions about their adherence to their own policies, based on how Gunether Jr described the process, how it gets triggered, etc. in his intro, that's for sure.
Did they even have UIPD follow up with Lawrence PD to see if the investigation had been closed? Obviously not.
Someone may question how "forthcoming" TSJ was about his weekend in Lawrence in their discussions.
The cops are asking to interview him and you are asking him what happened that weekend instead of asking him if he needs a lawyer or suggesting he lawyer up first? Granted, it is possible he did do that.
Did they try and FOIA the police report? Granted, it probably did not need to be produced until the investigation was complete.
Not sure I'm impressed with what I just heard. Bob's question about the media PR stuff was a good one given they obviously had not confirmed closure on this.
Doesn’t seem like you watched the presser. Whitman said explicitly they had UIPD reach out to LPD multiple times for more info and didn’t get anything back.
Don’t think you can FOIA police reports from an open case like that.
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Doesn’t seem like you watched the presser. Whitman said explicitly they had UIPD reach out to LPD multiple times for more info and didn’t get anything back.
Don’t think you can FOIA police reports from an open case like that.
No, I watched it, Spark. Saying that TSJ was "forthcoming" was extremely stupid on his part.
You may not get the police report if you FOIA it if the investigation is open. But then you know the damn investigation is still open if they refuse to produce it.
Plus, who knows how forthcoming the Kansas cops (or Guenther Jr was in his press conference) actually were. Would be convenient to say the cops weren't to cover your ass, especially after you just explained how allegations can trigger the process.
The usual odds the DIA is wearing clown shoes remain high.
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Harrumph.
From the Wiki .....
"After receiving his J.D. degree summa cum laude in 2008, Whitman took a job in Washington D.C. working as an attorney for Covington & Burling, which serves as outside legal counsel for the NFL."
So he got practice at covering shit up?
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No, I watched it, Spark. Saying that TSJ was "forthcoming" was extremely stupid on his part.
You may not get the police report if you FOIA it if the investigation is open. But then you know the damn investigation is still open if they refuse to produce it.
Plus, who knows how forthcoming the Kansas cops (or Guenther Jr was in his press conference) actually were. Would be convenient to say the cops weren't to cover your ass, especially after you just explained how allegations can trigger the process.
The usual odds the DIA is wearing clown shoes remain high.
Not at all but I doubt anyone is surprised you chose one of the dumbest possible takes on it.
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Not at all but I doubt anyone is surprised you chose one of the dumbest possible takes on it.
What did Guenther Jr know and when did he know it is relevant to his application of the process that he said was designed to cover situations like this, Mr. Naive.
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“Idiot About Everything Else Is Also An Idiot About This”
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“Idiot About Everything Else Is Also An Idiot About This”
Regardless of the merits of the underlying allegations, putting out the social media stuff they did on him while a sexual assault investigation was pending is clown shoes.
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And this is so on brand for the naive fool who thought Jobu was actually dead.
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God damn are you stupid hahah
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God damn are you stupid hahah
And you remain a naive twit. Congrats on whatever little cocoon you have built for yourself. Impressive.
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Not just stupid but absolutely terrible at this.
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Not just stupid but absolutely terrible at this.
Great stuff from the guy who was actually mad at Jobu. You can't make the stuff up that goes on around here.
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I love how you think mocking me for giving a shit about people says something bad about me.
If the shit you want to make fun of me for here is “got sad when he thought his friend died only to be angry when he found out it was a ‘joke’”, go right ahead. Pathetic even for you, and that’s a low bar these days. Not sure, honestly, what happened to you.
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No, I watched it, Spark. Saying that TSJ was "forthcoming" was extremely stupid on his part.
You may not get the police report if you FOIA it if the investigation is open. But then you know the damn investigation is still open if they refuse to produce it.
Plus, who knows how forthcoming the Kansas cops (or Guenther Jr was in his press conference) actually were. Would be convenient to say the cops weren't to cover your ass, especially after you just explained how allegations can trigger the process.
The usual odds the DIA is wearing clown shoes remain high.
Well Cops are not going to divulge any details during an investigation to any outside party, much less Whitman. That can interfere with their investigation. They didn’t want to spook Terence otherwise it’s possible Terence shuts up, disposes of evidence, etc.
I maintain that if it was an IL student making the allegations,he’d have been suspended immediately. Since it was outside the U of I’s jurisdiction so to speak, and Kansas police weren’t going to divulge any details while working the case, that they let him play and promoted him in the media.
I don’t think U of I would ever suspend a player before a formal charge was brought unless the allegation was from another U of I student, bc in that case it’d be a student v student discipline matter
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I love how you think mocking me for giving a shit about people says something bad about me.
If the shit you want to make fun of me for here is “got sad when he thought his friend died only to be angry when he found out it was a ‘joke’”, go right ahead. Pathetic even for you, and that’s a low bar these days. Not sure, honestly, what happened to you.
That an anonymous message poster is a "friend" says volumes.
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Like - yes.
And that you think it speaks negatively - same.
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I love how you think mocking me for giving a shit about people says something bad about me.
If the shit you want to make fun of me for here is “got sad when he thought his friend died only to be angry when he found out it was a ‘joke’”, go right ahead. Pathetic even for you, and that’s a low bar these days. Not sure, honestly, what happened to you.
Yeah, that’s a poor choice of mocking material.
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That an anonymous message poster is a "friend" says volumes.
You wouldn’t be a bit sad if me, Spark, or Mn died?
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Well Cops are not going to divulge any details during an investigation to any outside party, much less Whitman. That can interfere with their investigation. They didn’t want to spook Terence otherwise it’s possible Terence shuts up, disposes of evidence, etc.
I maintain that if it was an IL student making the allegations,he’d have been suspended immediately. Since it was outside the U of I’s jurisdiction so to speak, and Kansas police weren’t going to divulge any details while working the case, that they let him play and promoted him in the media.
I don’t think U of I would ever suspend a player before a formal charge was brought unless the allegation was from another U of I student, bc in that case it’d be a student v student discipline matter
Guenther Jr said his process is designed to handle where there are allegations even before a criminal charge is filed.
True that the Lawrence cops don't have to say squat. But there are things they could have done to try and figure out if the investigation was closed or not. It is apparent they did not do anything but assume, given the passage of time, that the investigation was closed. He admitted not knowing anything about the complaint being filed until someone saw it on social media. They were caught with their pants down when the face of the program got charged with a sex crime.
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A dude who thinks calling Whitman “Guenther Jr” is a great joke is obviously never going to have a reasonable take on this.
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You wouldn’t be a bit sad if me, Spark, or Mn died?
I text with you. Sure.
I've had lunch with MN. Sure.
I do not know Spark.
I doubt Mn or you would do a bit where your "kid" came on and started posting like Jobu did.
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A dude who thinks calling Whitman “Guenther Jr” is a great joke is obviously never going to have a reasonable take on this.
He had no clue what was going on with a criminal investigation into a player. Your top player. The face of your program. Yeah, he did a bang up job here.
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I don’t blame Whitman one bit in this. He has handled this extraordinarily well so far in my opinion. As a matter of fact I’ll say the same for Underwood. Those two, listening to them, understand the bigger picture. Kudos to both of them…
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I don’t blame Whitman one bit in this. He has handled this extraordinarily well so far in my opinion. As a matter of fact I’ll say the same for Underwood. Those two, listening to them, understand the bigger picture. Kudos to both of them…
I have a feeling we may find out how well they handled this....
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I have a feeling we may find out how well they handled this....
I’ll give you that it’s far from over and a lot to be determined, but I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt so far and props for this far in the process.
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I’ll give you that it’s far from over and a lot to be determined, but I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt so far and props for this far in the process.
That's fair enough I guess.
I just don't understand how you knew something was up in late September and then you are surprised in December when a complaint is filed. Just saying our cops couldn't get info out of their cops and being done with it appears to have been very shortsighted
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That's fair enough I guess.
I just don't understand how you knew something was up in late September and then you are surprised in December when a complaint is filed. Just saying our cops couldn't get info out of their cops and being done with it appears to have been very shortsighted
On the flip side, how do you suspend a player when you don’t even know there’s anything been done wrong?? Even the cops hadn’t been willing at that time to do anything about it, and you’re three states away…
Anytime a kid has sex you have something to be concerned about and who is to say this isn’t any different than any other thing in their lives at that age…
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On the flip side, how do you suspend a player when you don’t even know there’s anything been done wrong?? Even the cops hadn’t been willing at that time to do anything about it, and you’re three states away…
Anytime a kid has sex you have something to be concerned about and who is to say this isn’t any different than any other thing in their lives at that age…
For one, the process described in the press conference only required an allegation to get the process rolling. It sounded like they knew it involved inappropriate touching, but not much else. Understandable that they lacked info on specifics.
The issue is they had zero clue the investigation had been proceeding this whole time or that there was a chance charges were going to be filed. They just assumed it was done since they had heard nothing. Did they even try and keep tabs on what was going on? Doesn't sound like it since they were just as surprised as any of us.
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I guess I’ll repeat myself - you watched the presser, you know Whitman said they reached out multiple times to find out what was up and heard nothing.
So unless Whitman was just lying, yes, they tried to keep tabs on what was going on. Surely that’ll stop you from acting like a dumbass about it!
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I don’t blame Whitman one bit in this. He has handled this extraordinarily well so far in my opinion. As a matter of fact I’ll say the same for Underwood. Those two, listening to them, understand the bigger picture. Kudos to both of them…
That’s exactly the answer I would expect from you. I’m not saying they did a good or a bad job, but that’s exactly the answer I’d expect from you.
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I guess I’ll repeat myself - you watched the presser, you know Whitman said they reached out multiple times to find out what was up and heard nothing.
So unless Whitman was just lying, yes, they tried to keep tabs on what was going on. Surely that’ll stop you from acting like a dumbass about it!
Ding ding ding
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I guess I’ll repeat myself - you watched the presser, you know Whitman said they reached out multiple times to find out what was up and heard nothing.
So unless Whitman was just lying, yes, they tried to keep tabs on what was going on. Surely that’ll stop you from acting like a dumbass about it!
When was the last time they reached out?
I'd bet they had TSJ's version of events, heard nothing much from local Kansas cops, and just assumed it was over.
Just don't act like you were all on top of it when that obviously isn't true since the events of this week surprised you.
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I'm sure the geniuses in Champaign never thought to hire, or have a donor hire, a local who was politically connected enough to find out whether the investigation was proceeding or closed.
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When was the last time they reached out?
I'd bet they had TSJ's version of events, heard nothing much from local Kansas cops, and just assumed it was over.
Just don't act like you were all on top of it when that obviously isn't true since the events of this week surprised you.
You can bet on whatever you want. You obviously have an idiotic bone to pick here - no one’s surprised that you’re here arguing based on what “you’d bet” happened. That’s what morons do.
If Josh Whitman isn’t lying then your question was answered already. They made an effort to find out what was happening, and didn’t get any information back. Asked and answered.
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Ding ding ding
The guy who never trust things said by people in positions of power trusts what the Illinois AD, who was surprised by the events of this week, says. That's a turn of events.
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You can bet on whatever you want. You obviously have an idiotic bone to pick here - no one’s surprised that you’re here arguing based on what “you’d bet” happened. That’s what morons do.
If Josh Whitman isn’t lying then your question was answered already. They made an effort to find out what was happening, and didn’t get any information back. Asked and answered.
And then they were surprised by the events of this week. Way to keep on it, Illinois DIA! What a bunch of gullible chumps.
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Jesus what a fucking moron you have turned into.
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Jesus what a fucking moron you have turned into.
And we know you are a quite gullible.
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Yep, cuz I got sad when I heard a friend died.
Got me again!
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Yep, cuz I got sad when I heard a friend died.
Got me again!
But he didn't die and it was bit with his "son" posting. Then you actually got pissed because you were duped by a bit. Weird.
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It has to be the greatest troll job in HQ history.
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Yep, keep going!
Really let me have it - after all I gave a shit about another person here! The cardinal crime!
Everyone should be a cynical dumbass in 100% of situations on the Internet and if you act like a human being that’s worthy of mockery! really pound that point in.
It’s making you look like a really decent reasonable guy, keep it up.
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Yep, keep going!
Really let me have it - after all I gave a shit about another person here! The cardinal crime!
Everyone should be a cynical dumbass in 100% of situations on the Internet and if you act like a human being that’s worthy of mockery! really pound that point in.
It’s making you look like a really decent reasonable guy, keep it up.
Getting mad at Jobu because you got duped is weird.
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Yeah I agree with Spark here. Otherwise you’re flat out saying Whitman is lying without ANY factual evidence.
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Getting mad at someone I thought was my friend lying and pretending to have died is pretty reasonable to anyone who is not a complete sociopath, actually. To his credit, even Jobu felt bad about it. He has never been as crass and gross about it as you are here.
Pretty scary to think you would argue otherwise. You come off as viscerally miserable and sociopathic as Truth does. But you don’t care, obviously, or you’d behave like a decent person at least occasionally.
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As sad as it makes me that you turned into a total dumbass and troll 100% of the time here, it makes me even more sad that you’re such a sad, soulless ghoul of a man that you think caring about someone else here is so worthy of mockery. What a fucking sad statement about who you’ve become these last few years.
I’d be sad if you died too, even despite that. Because I am a human being with a soul who cares about others.
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Yeah I agree with Spark here. Otherwise you’re flat out saying Whitman is lying without ANY factual evidence.
I'm not saying he is lying. I'm questioning the effort over the past couple of months to stay on top of this. The fact is they were surprised. That's an issue.
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"soulless ghoul" is a good one.
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Spark Mandrill = Mrs. ThePAMan may be a match
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Spark Mandrill = Mrs. ThePAMan may be a match
For the sake of your family and family life, I really hope your wife isn’t calling you things like “a soulless ghoul.”
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Spark Mandrill = Mrs. ThePAMan may be a match
😬 😱
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Yep, cuz I got sad when I heard a friend died.
Got me again!
Don’t worry about me Spark. I have programmed an AI bot to post as me after I die. It’s my lasting gift to U of I athletics for all the joy they have given me.
In fact, perhaps the AI bot is in fact posting as me right now? Hmmm
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gt!!
Don’t worry about me Spark. I have programmed an AI bot to post as me after I die. It’s my lasting gift to U of I athletics for all the joy they have given me.
In fact, perhaps the AI bot is in fact posting as me right now? Hmmm
Lay off the drugs. Sweaty…
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The guy who never trust things said by people in positions of power trusts what the Illinois AD, who was surprised by the events of this week, says. That's a turn of events.
The issue in debate wasn’t his truthfulness, it was that he straight up addressed the question you keep asking. Someone at the presser then asked the same question you asked, and he painstakingly reiterated his initial response.
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The issue in debate wasn’t his truthfulness, it was that he straight up addressed the question you keep asking. Someone at the presser then asked the same question you asked, and he painstakingly reiterated his initial response.
Yes, his response should be taken as gospel since he was surprised by the sexual assault charge.
Who.you crappin?
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For the sake of your family and family life, I really hope your wife isn’t calling you things like “a soulless ghoul.”
Is it a day that ends in y?
It has been close to 40 years after all.
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As sad as it makes me that you turned into a total dumbass and troll 100% of the time here, it makes me even more sad that you’re such a sad, soulless ghoul of a man that you think caring about someone else here is so worthy of mockery. What a fucking sad statement about who you’ve become these last few years.
I’d be sad if you died too, even despite that. Because I am a human being with a soul who cares about others.
I have had many guffaw thinking about this post. Great way to end the year. Thanks, Spark!
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Yes, his response should be taken as gospel since he was surprised by the sexual assault charge.
Who.you crappin?
For someone who believes the process should be allowed to play out for TSJ, I guess not so much so for Whitman. Eh ?
If Whitman was aware only of a report of a sexual assault allegation but not either of the charges filed in early Dec, what should Whitman have done ?
Waiting for information would be prudent.
I get the impression that it's possible that Whitman was not aware of the rape allegation and the possibility always exists that the assault allegation may not result in a charge.
If it takes close to 4 months from the alleged incident for Whitman to learn of a felony charge that he was not privy to, I'm not surprised that there was no prepared statement.
Whether or not this was the scenario, I'm not sure anyone other than a few individuals would know.
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For all we know TSJ is banging a new girl every weekend and other players as well. I guess if he heard something happened in KS back in Sept maybe that is par for the course.
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For someone who believes the process should be allowed to play out for TSJ, I guess not so much so for Whitman. Eh ?
If Whitman was aware only of a report of a sexual assault allegation but not either of the charges filed in early Dec, what should Whitman have done ?
Waiting for information would be prudent.
I get the impression that it's possible that Whitman was not aware of the rape allegation and the possibility always exists that the assault allegation may not result in a charge.
If it takes close to 4 months from the alleged incident for Whitman to learn of a felony charge that he was not privy to, I'm not surprised that there was no prepared statement.
Whether or not this was the scenario, I'm not sure anyone other than a few individuals would know.
It is readily apparent the DIA did not know that the investigation was still ongoing and thought it was closed. Thus they were surprised when the criminal complaint was filed. That's the part I find really problematic. Others obviously don't.
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It is readily apparent the DIA did not know that the investigation was still ongoing and thought it was closed. Thus they were surprised when the criminal complaint was filed. That's the part I find really problematic. Others obviously don't.
How do you suggest they should know if they were never told? Like Whitman said, he reached out numerous times and was told nothing. He have psychic abilities?!
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How do you suggest they should know if they were never told? Like Whitman said, he reached out numerous times and was told nothing. He have psychic abilities?!
For one, we do not know how often the cops called their cops to ask what was going on.
Nonetheless, there are ways to find things out, like if any investigation is active or not.
You can't tell me that they would have run that Scariest Thing in College Basketball thing on social media with him on it if they thought the investigation was ongoing and this could happen.
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For one, we do not know how often the cops called their cops to ask what was going on.
Nonetheless, there are ways to find things out, like if any investigation is active or not.
You can't tell me that they would have run that Scariest Thing in College Basketball thing on social media with him on it if they thought the investigation was ongoing and this could happen.
Exactly, we don’t know, so how are you suggesting they didn’t somehow? He obviously didn’t know because he wasn’t told anything. He stated he did and I take him at his word. Why wouldn’t you? He said the DIA’s job isn’t to investigate because they don’t have the resources for such things. Then 3 months went by and he didn’t hear anything until last week. I don’t see why this is controversial and people grasping at straws to find something wrong when there doesn’t have to be at all.
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Exactly, we don’t know, so how are you suggesting they didn’t somehow? He obviously didn’t know because he wasn’t told anything. He stated he did and I take him at his word. Why wouldn’t you? He said the DIA’s job isn’t to investigate because they don’t have the resources for such things. Then 3 months went by and he didn’t hear anything until last week. I don’t see why this is controversial and people grasping at straws to find something wrong when there doesn’t have to be at all.
Because the fact is they were caught with their pants down.
TSJ is the face of the program. They obviously would want to know what was going on with the investigation. Did they try other avenues to try and find stuff out since the local cops were not talking? Maybe hire someone local with connections to find out about the status of the investigation?
Think other B1G programs would have been surprised
by the news last week if this happened to their top player? I think some would and some wouldn't.
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It is readily apparent the DIA did not know that the investigation was still ongoing and thought it was closed. Thus they were surprised when the criminal complaint was filed. That's the part I find really problematic. Others obviously don't.
Or he was not informed that the case was open or closed, or that the case was open and there was not enough information being given for Whitman to think the misdemeanor, the only allegation that he said he was aware of, may result in charges.
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Because the fact is they were caught with their pants down.
TSJ is the face of the program. They obviously would want to know what was going on with the investigation. Did they try other avenues to try and find stuff out since the local cops were not talking? Maybe hire someone local with connections to find out about the status of the investigation?
Think other B1G programs would have been surprised
by the news last week if this happened to their top player? I think some would and some wouldn't.
And somebody says to the Kansas police that we’ve got people “sniffing around” and get hit with interfering with a police investigation?! No thanks.
Edit- when they (Kansas police) had something to tell us, they did. Plain and simple. Then Whitman acted which was appropriate. Again, there doesn’t have to be anything wrong here or some conspiracy or cover up.
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I’d agree it does seem from the outside looking in that more could have been done to keep tabs on the situation. From the way things were handled on our end leading up to this, it sure seems like the due diligence they did perform and the conversations that did happen gave them absolutely no inkling that something of this nature was possible, let alone imminent. It is a strange situation for sure. I don’t have a problem giving Whitman the benefit of the doubt.
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I don’t have a problem giving Whitman the benefit of the doubt.
As predictable as the Sun setting in the west.
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Whitman should sue the county and DA where this originated. Total negligence and slander. At least that's what I'd do.
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As predictable as the Sun setting in the west.
I was a vocal early Weber doubter, my user name is a pot shot at Weber, I clowned Guenther and MT every chance I got, and I own an Illini forum made up of outcasts who got run off other forums for being too realistic and honest about Illinois athletics.
Whitman has earned the benefit of the doubt in his tenure here. My tune may certainly change depending on how things go.
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I was a vocal early Weber doubter, my user name is a pot shot at Weber, I clowned Guenther and MT every chance I got, and I own an Illini forum made up of outcasts who got run off other forums for being too realistic and honest about Illinois athletics.
Whitman has earned the benefit of the doubt in his tenure here. My tune may certainly change depending on how things go.
All valid.
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I was a vocal early Weber doubter, my user name is a pot shot at Weber, I clowned Guenther and MT every chance I got, and I own an Illini forum made up of outcasts who got run off other forums for being too realistic and honest about Illinois athletics.
Whitman has earned the benefit of the doubt in his tenure here. My tune may certainly change depending on how things go.
Well said.
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Whitman gets a pass, BU gets a pass...both have done more for the ILLINI than anyone since arguably Henson.
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I was a vocal early Weber doubter, my user name is a pot shot at Weber, I clowned Guenther and MT every chance I got, and I own an Illini forum made up of outcasts who got run off other forums for being too realistic and honest about Illinois athletics.
Whitman has earned the benefit of the doubt in his tenure here. My tune may certainly change depending on how things go.
Mostly true, I guess. I don’t remember you clowning MT. I did and I was pretty sure you were among the crowd chastising me for it. Maybe I’m wrong. But when it comes to us here at the outcast post, you and JJ would be the first two people I would expect to see coddling the nuts of the DIA or a coach.
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Mostly true, I guess. I don’t remember you clowning MT. I did and I was pretty sure you were among the crowd chastising me for it. Maybe I’m wrong. But when it comes to us here at the outcast post, you and JJ would be the first two people I would expect to see coddling the nuts of the DIA or a coach.
And you’d be the first to exhibit remorse for your white privilege. STFU…
Watch the football game or something, man. The world doesn’t revolve around Fields and shit.
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Whitman gets a pass, BU gets a pass...both have done more for the ILLINI than anyone since arguably Henson.
Laughable take.
Whitman hired Lovie Smith. A 5 year death penalty.
Underwood has worse results than Weber in an era where you can legally pay players.
Just stop.
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Laughable take.
Whitman hired Lovie Smith. A 5 year death penalty.
Underwood has worse results than Weber in an era where you can legally pay players.
Just stop.
How about you go back to the homeless shelter and STFU. You lost your bet. Grow the fuck up and leave and act like a human being for once in your life.
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Laughable take.
Whitman hired Lovie Smith. A 5 year death penalty.
Underwood has worse results than Weber in an era where you can legally pay players.
Just stop.
I missed the part where Underwood had the benefit of having kids recruited by Bill Self on his roster the day he stepped foot on campus.
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I missed the part where Underwood had the benefit of having kids recruited by Bill Self on his roster the day he stepped foot on campus.
Doesn’t matter. Weber had more success at K State, than Underwood has had at Illinois
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Doesn’t matter. Weber had more success at K State, than Underwood has had at Illinois
STFU BE-OTCH. Move to Russia and be Putin's new lover.
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Mostly true, I guess. I don’t remember you clowning MT. I did and I was pretty sure you were among the crowd chastising me for it. Maybe I’m wrong. But when it comes to us here at the outcast post, you and JJ would be the first two people I would expect to see coddling the nuts of the DIA or a coach.
MT won me over at first by shitcanning Weber. Then the wheels came off pretty quickly during the bumblefuck search for his replacement. My first time meeting him was not a great impression either. And we don’t even need to go into Becktard.
As a fan, I do appreciate the air of legitimacy Whitman has brought to Illinois athletics. It’s been fun being relevant again in the revenue sports. We are still doing well in other sports. I’ve obviously shown myself to be exceptionally critical when it’s warranted so I’m not sure why I’m getting labeled as a coddler.
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I did catch a lot of shit for my supposed defense of Groce. I never thought he was getting the job done.
People always said, “He’s a great recruiter, just can’t coach.”
My take was the opposite. His coaching schemes were fine. He ran a modern offense and a fairly standard pack line defense. The biggest coaching issue he had was green lighting a bunch of bad shooters.
His actual problem was that he couldn’t ever get the talent he needed to compete in the upper 1/3 of the B1G. Specifically at the PG position, which his offense desperately needed to function. Poor Malcolm Hill (an NBA wing) got stuck playing the 4 for most of his time here because we couldn’t attract quality bigs. There were also a bunch of behavioral issues.
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Laughable take.
Whitman hired Lovie Smith. A 5 year death penalty.
Underwood has worse results than Weber in an era where you can legally pay players.
Just stop.
Whitman hiring Lovie Smith was a grab at trying to get a known name to an unknown (ILLINOIS football program) IMO. The program was/and has for the most part always been mired in at best below average talent/play overall...gotta try to hit homerun, it usually ends up being a pop fly, which is what Lovie ended up being for us.
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Lovie didn’t do what we wanted him to do, but hiring him did jump start donations and the facility improvement and he did recruit most of the players Dom’s boy Bert had a good season with. And he restored a little dignity to the program coming off the self imposed sanctions of the Becktard era.
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Lovie didn’t do what we wanted him to do, but hiring him did jump start donations and the facility improvement and he did recruit most of the players Dom’s boy Bert had a good season with. And he restored a little dignity to the program coming off the self imposed sanctions of the Becktard era.
Agreed we got the off the field benefits, hence the name grab, on the field not so much.
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Lovie didn’t do what we wanted him to do, but hiring him did jump start donations and the facility improvement and he did recruit most of the players Dom’s boy Bert had a good season with. And he restored a little dignity to the program coming off the self imposed sanctions of the Becktard era.
I think that’s mostly what he was hired to do. Anyone who thought 9 wins a year was coming was kidding themselves.
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And you’d be the first to exhibit remorse for your white privilege. STFU…
Watch the football game or something, man. The world doesn’t revolve around Fields and shit.
I do. I think it’s awful that the color of your skin grants you more privilege, but hey, that’s just me I guess.
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I think that’s mostly what he was hired to do. Anyone who thought 9 wins a year was coming was kidding themselves.
Well, and the biggest reason he was hired was to check the box on a minority hire for football or basketball. He knew he could swing and miss at least once on football, plus it allowed him to not be constricted for the sport that really counts for us—basketball. One of the two hires HAD be a minority.
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Brad Underwood as our coach we should/and most are/ be very happy overall. Think about this for a second:
7 years in and we have a bonafide national relevant program.
7 years in and we have multiple top ranked classes with incoming HS and above avg to outstanding transfers.
7 years in and we have a coach who had displayed a stubborn mentality to not change, play his way, learn his way, play only older guys, or else.
7 years in and we NOW have a coach who is more even keeled, has learned to play/coach other ways/has a demeanor that is more well liked overall and one that the players seem to respond to better.
He still has the fire, he has the drive to make our ILLINI great, but a willingness to change and adapt to be better....that is growth and ability to adapt.
We could have this, and many were asking for it by the way at one time, I am one that is glad we have BU, not the alternative for our program.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/story/2024-01-07/mick-cronin-ucla-meltdown-take-responsibility
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Brad Underwood as our coach we should/and most are/ be very happy overall. Think about this for a second:
7 years in and we have a bonafide national relevant program.
7 years in and we have multiple top ranked classes with incoming HS and above avg to outstanding transfers.
7 years in and we have a coach who had displayed a stubborn mentality to not change, play his way, learn his way, play only older guys, or else.
7 years in and we NOW have a coach who is more even keeled, has learned to play/coach other ways/has a demeanor that is more well liked overall and one that the players seem to respond to better.
He still has the fire, he has the drive to make our ILLINI great, but a willingness to change and adapt to be better....that is growth and ability to adapt.
We could have this, and many were asking for it by the way at one time, I am one that is glad we have BU, not the alternative for our program.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/story/2024-01-07/mick-cronin-ucla-meltdown-take-responsibility
Let me know when the Illini make the second weekend of the Only Tournament That Matters.
Hopefully this is the year.
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Let me know when the Illini make the second weekend of the Only Tournament That Matters.
Hopefully this is the year.
Fair enough, that is the only thing missing as well imo, however in todays new age of transfer NIL issues, a coach that is willing to adapt, and learn and teach and build a winner is going to be a godsend down the line I think. We will see on the 2nd weekend.