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General Category => Halas Hall Football Forum => Topic started by: Custard on November 17, 2023, 10:37:22 PM
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Including Virginia McCaskey is a nice touch.
Well done, Custard.
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Kewl
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I've wondered what The Shrine looks like. Thanks for sharing.
You guys go out for wings or anything during your visit ?
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Easily the best part is Bernie. The rest is kinda weird.
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2nd best part is the Bear head.
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And i like the candles.
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Easily the best part is Bernie. The rest is kinda weird.
Spoken like a true squad extremist!
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And i like the candles.
Why basically say you don’t like it and then in 3 posts afterwards go on to say the things you like in it?! That’s… weird 🥴
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There are things that I like about it, but overall it falls a bit short. Never seen a movie that you wanted to like but just couldn’t quite get there on?
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Including Virginia McCaskey is a nice touch.
Well done, Custard.
Thanks! I wanted to work Papa Bear in there too but I forgot.
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I've wondered what The Shrine looks like. Thanks for sharing.
You guys go out for wings or anything during your visit ?
Oh, I just stole it off Rick Morrissey’s Twitter feed
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How much time did you waste on that C+ effort?
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Oh, I just stole it off Rick Morrissey’s Twitter feed
Please tell me this is true. It would really hammer home the point that Morrissey is deranged and no longer a relevant journalist.
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Please tell me this is true. It would really hammer home the point that Morrissey is deranged and no longer a relevant journalist.
You guys would probably hit it off then! Birds of a feather…
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Morrissey is Custard’s kind of journalist, that much can be certain.
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You guys would probably hit it off then! Birds of a feather…
I was a relevant journalist? That’s awesome!
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I was a relevant journalist? That’s awesome!
More the deranged part. And you’re kind of our resident journalist here and much uninformed, being that you come report on stuff that you self-admittedly don’t even actually watch the games you speak on…
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How much time did you waste on that C+ effort?
About 45 mins. She put on some romcom and then passed out on my lap. I couldn’t reach the remote and I didn’t want to wake her up as she’d been up since 5:30 for her 6 am workout. So I did it on my phone using iPhone photo editor and Snapchat to pass some time
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My favorite is the name on the back of the jersey.
Great start to the weekend Custard!
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Morrissey is Custard’s kind of journalist, that much can be certain.
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They own and are the primary decision makers for a franchise that’s won a single title since 1963. The fact that the people they hire fail at such a reliable rate isn’t an indictment on those people so much as it is an indictment on the family themselves. So while you’re out there blaming Getsy for everything (which is exactly what the McCaskeys count on to keep meatball fans coming back generation after generation) people with any business sense whatsoever understand that systemic incompetence starts at the top.
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About 45 mins. She put on some romcom and then passed out on my lap. I couldn’t reach the remote and I didn’t want to wake her up as she’d been up since 5:30 for her 6 am workout. So I did it on my phone using iPhone photo editor and Snapchat to pass some time
Wow, that’s about 43 minutes too long. You’ll never get that time back. So I guess in the end it’s a win for me.
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Wow, that’s about 43 minutes too long. You’ll never get that time back. So I guess in the end it’s a win for me.
I modified it a bit this morning then replaced the original photo with the new one. I chuckled for several minutes as I did it.
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Bloomin onion, Super Bowl shuffle…damn. Lot going on.
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Shit, I missed the bloomin’ onion. Not bad. Should have had Jeff Frank nibbling on it.
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My vision for this is that it is kind of like the old Bruce/Demetri piñata birthday meme that went around years ago and everyone kept adding to it
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one for the cesspool museum !!!!!!
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;D ;D ;D
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Wow! Just keeps building upon itself.
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Tempo must’ve made that while Ubering, I’m assuming 😂
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$1.00 tip included.
Amazing
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Didn't know Connor Bedard was black
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Is that Jeff Frank along with the Bagent Voodoo Doll?
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Someone else put Jeff on the shelf but yes
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Updated for the Lion postgame meltdown
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That is epic.
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I need that dartboard.
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Is there something new, or are you just reposting?
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One new addition
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Ahhhh, I see it now. The comeback win.
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Go watch First Take on ESPN this morning, Tempo. They lay out what Bears should do. Good debate.
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It should have a football falling out of each hand to honor his fumbling proclivity
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And Poles to replace the Bear.
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https://x.com/pete_martuneac/status/1729356071578239424?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
😂
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I listened to a lot of post game, I didn’t hear a lot of victory lapping. Justin did some very good things and did some very bad things. He came through when it mattered most. Perhaps when many might have mentally caved. I’m willing to accept (and acknowledge) the warts, but also see the positives.
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This is a pretty good fucking tweet.
https://x.com/robertkschmitz/status/1729982394277511545?s=46
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This is a pretty good fucking tweet.
https://x.com/robertkschmitz/status/1729982394277511545?s=46
I saw that tweet and responded to it. I don’t understand why you wouldn’t cater your offense to a player with rare gifts.
There are good arguments on both sides of this coin. I’m of the belief you roll with Fields for another year and build around him. A couple good OL, and MHJr and this offense could be transformed. Fields has weaknesses, but they are weaknesses that can be improved upon. You can’t make a guy faster or give him a stronger arm.
Troy Aikman said he has reversed course and says he thinks you stick with Fields and build around him (at least for now). Used the Eagles as the model, who had built a championship roster and waited on the 2nd round QB to develop.
I am perfectly fine with them drafting a QB high next year (but I’d rather trade it). I don’t think you dump Fields for a measly 3rd round pick. You offer me a top 35 pick and I would think about it.
Franchise quarterbacks don’t have to be drafted 1 or 2. Those guys bust all the time. Mitch Trubisky, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance. You’re more likely to draft a bust in the 1st round that a franchise guy.
Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Lamar, Jalen Hurts, Russell Wilson, Dan Marino, and a litany of other great quarterbacks weren’t taken top 10 or even 1st round.
Hurts, Purdy, Russell, Kirk Cousins, Gino all current examples that good QBs don’t have to be high 1st rounders.
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As a GM, I would be drafting a QB probably 2 out of every 3 drafts.
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Gotta say even though it's Tempo, I'm still a bit surprised he hasn't bailed on Fields.
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Also Hey Tempo, hope you're doing well. Sorry about Fields.
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Also Hey Tempo, hope you're doing well. Sorry about Fields.
Thanks.
Did he die?
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No he just isn't very good
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come on man wtf in your prime you'd have had like 6-7 replies to that out by now
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Is this thing on?
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Is this thing on?
Yep. What's going on?
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Life happens
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Does he have flaws? Yes, not any good I wouldn’t say that.
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I simply don't believe that all last off-season when you were hyping him up you were envisioning this mediocre ass season. I didn't say he is "not any good", I said he isn't very good. And he isn't. He's a mediocre QB thusfar, including this year - when we really, really needed him to take an obvious step forward to justify sticking with him in the future. He has not taken an obvious step forward.
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You don’t think incorporating 30+ new players in one year, training camp (and beyond) injuries, questionable coaching and offensive schemes and game plans, could offer some potential stumbling blocks?
I’ve acknowledged a thousand times he has flaws and needs to improve on them; but you don’t find his play from Denver on generally encouraging?
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Do you watch All 22 reviews like JT O’Sullivan? I wish I had a dollar for every time he’s said something like “this is not a play in the NFL,” or “this is not a play on Friday night, Saturday morning, Saturday afternoon or Sunday.” He’s clowning the scheme and play design.
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Again, I am not saying Justin is elite. But he’s a top 18 quarterback in the NFL right now with a clear path to getting higher.
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Watch Chase Daniel’s all 22 from last Sunday in which he titled it “Justin Fields is still not the problem.”
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Talk about lighting the bat signal holy shit
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Talk about lighting the bat signal holy shit
Yeah, this is great.
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I think they’re nice excuses for people who are bullish on Fields but I don’t think they’re problems that haven’t been overcome consistently by actually good quarterbacks over the years. It seems like a lot of Fields fans want to argue that it’s tough to get a read on him unless everything around him is perfect, and that just isn’t a realistic standard. I’m not here to defend the playcalling which has not been good, but Fields hasn’t really been good either. Those things aren’t mutually exclusive.
The Bears defense has gotten 8 turnovers in the last two weeks, four of which resulted in starting field position past the 50. They also got a turnover on downs last week in Vikings territory - that’s 9 turnovers, 5 of which resulted in a drive that started in the opponent’s territory. Fields has led the offense to 1 touchdown and 2 FG in those situations. He’s been an absolute disaster in pretty much all late game situations, and any 3rd and medium+ where he has to throw - if he isn’t a threat to run, he’s horrible. Even last week in his first fourth quarter comeback he needed three tries at it because he fumbled the first two away. Those aren’t good signs.
You were bullish on him all last off-season, and then the first 5-6 games he looked like one of the worst QBs in the league. He’s turned things up a bit for sure, but even now the “good” Fields games aren’t anything special by any means, and are still inconsistent and relatively rare. I just can’t imagine, barring having come into the season desperate for your preconception to play out, seeing his play this year and thinking “this is good enough”, especially given the very rare opportunity to take a high plus QB prospect early in the draft.
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I’d love to see a psychologist/psychiatrist weigh in on the FFF phenomenon.
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It’s inarguable that Fields has been better his last 6 starts or so. Certainly not perfect, but better.
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So who would you take?
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I feel like I’m reading a less beligerent PAMan’s takes here.
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FWIW I definitely don’t think Tempo is a “Fields Fan First,” I think he just really wants the QB the Bears already have to be really good and worth keeping (which WOULD be ideal).
At some point it’s time to acknowledge that it just didn’t work though.
I like Fields, I hope if the Bears move on from him he has success elsewhere. I just don’t think running it back with him is going to produce considerably better production from the QB position and what we’ve gotten from him so far in his career isn’t good enough by a long shot.
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So who would you take?
Not my job, isn’t that your line? :)
No but on a serious note I am uniquely unqualified to evaluate a potential NFL QB. I just think the opportunity to take a guy scouts seem to think can be great (and scouts seem to have positive things to say about both the top QB prospects) is rare enough that a team as mediocre as the Bears would be foolish to pass on it unless they’re 100% confident they have their guy at QB already, and I don’t think there’s any way anyone could honestly say they’re confident of that right now.
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“Wait until everything is perfect around him.” Things have barely been adequate for any length of time.
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It’s inarguable that Fields has been better his last 6 starts or so. Certainly not perfect, but better.
You’re setting an insanely low bar here though. Yes he has been better than he was previously, but previously he looked like one of the worst QBs in the league.
Even in this 6 start stretch you’re touting, he’s had 2 full games with 1 or 0 passing touchdowns, a game with under 100 passing yards, and a half against Minnesota where he looked pretty bad. It’s not like he suddenly turned a corner and has been really good consistently - he had good games against Denver and Washington, and then pretty typical (for him) mediocre games in the other four.
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When he was perfectly healthy 8 TDs in two games with 130 passer ratings “is an extremely low bar?”
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I think the overwhelming consensus was that he was better than “mediocre” in the Detroit game. Yeah, if you just want to look at stats it wasn’t HOF worthy. He hadnt played in a month and IMO clearly looked bothered by the thumb on some throws.
His game vs Minnesota was pretty solid minus the fumbles (sure they were bad), but a lot of guys might have caved mentally and not been able to lead a game winning scoring drive. If your point is he’s not Joe Burrow yet, point taken.
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If a guy has started 33 games and your justification to want to keep him is “well but look at these two games 5 weeks ago”, that is a prettt flimsy justification IMO.
If he was doing that consistently things would feel different but even since those two games he has turned back into inconsistent, often mediocre dude he was before that.
Yes, I think saying “he has improved over the last 6 games” is setting a very low bar.
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Last year he was literally given a bottom 5 offensive line and possibly the worst NFL receiving corps I’ve ever seen in 44 years of watching NFL football. And saddled with an inexperienced OC who couldn’t figure out how to play to his strengths. Certainly not consistently.
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I think the overwhelming consensus was that he was better than “mediocre” in the Detroit game. Yeah, if you just want to look at stats it wasn’t HOF worthy. He hadnt played in a month and IMO clearly looked bothered by the thumb on some throws.
His game vs Minnesota was pretty solid minus the fumbles (sure they were bad), but a lot of guys might have caved mentally and not been able to lead a game winning scoring drive. If your point is he’s not Joe Burrow yet, point taken.
always an excuse.
He probably played well enough to win the Detroit game - mediocre QBs do that sometimes. Nothing about it made me think “man, we can’t let this guy go” though. I can’t imagine why it would’ve. It was a fine game, but by no means anything remotely special. Again, 4 TO from the defense in that game, 2 in the Lions half, and he got 1 TD and 1 FG out of it. Like think about this - the Bears are +6 over the last two games in turnovers, and they’ve been out scored on the drives after those turnovers 14-13. Just can’t imagine thinking that is good enough.
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Did PAMan hack your account?
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No I just watch the games
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Again, who are you drafting?
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See the earlier post in which I responded to the question.
I’m not qualified to evaluate them, but surely one of those top-2 QBs assuming Carolina doesn’t start winning games
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Not only who are you drafting, but who are you handing the reins of the franchise to?
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Caleb Williams has a very similar scouting profile to Justin Fields coming out, and is less athletic. He’s also exhibiting multiple red flags and refusing to do press conferences.
Drake Maye has been throughly mediocre the last month, and just got pounded by NC State 39-20.
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Caleb Williams has a very similar scouting profile to Justin Fields coming out, and is less athletic. He’s also exhibiting multiple red flags and refusing to do press conferences.
Drake Maye has been throughly mediocre the last month, and just got pounded by NC State 39-20.
I should’ve known you were one of the dudes on Reddit analyzing Caleb Williams body language to stump for Fields, my bad.
I haven’t seen a scout negatively compare Williams to Fields as a prospect yet, but maybe so. I don’t think “a college kid crying because he lost a big game / his season’s goals” is a red flag personally.
If Fields had been really good maybe you can consider passing on those guys but he has not.
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Drake Maye is 4-4 in the ACC. He lit up Campbell pretty good though.
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I should’ve known you were one of the dudes on Reddit analyzing Caleb Williams body language to stump for Fields, my bad.
I haven’t seen a scout negatively compare Williams to Fields as a prospect yet, but maybe so. I don’t think “a college kid crying because he lost a big game / his season’s goals” is a red flag personally.
It’s more than that. A lot more.
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Drake Maye is 4-4 in the ACC. He lit up Campbell pretty good though.
How sure are you that you really want to use wins as a QB stat? Justin Fields is 7-26 in his career.
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His agents say he wants partial fucking ownership of the team that drafts him…
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It’s more than that. A lot more.
It’s the dumbest, meatheadiest shit ever. I should’ve known, honestly.
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How sure are you that you really want to use wins as a QB stat? Justin Fields is 7-26 in his career.
JFC. Did you see what he had to work with last year? I thought you “watched the games?”
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More than half the team was on one year “tryout” deals.
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JFC.
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Now I have two PAMen to deal with.
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JFC. Did you see what he had to work with last year? I thought you “watched the games?”
I’ve watched him lose 26 of his 34 starts, yeah.
Is UNC some dominant powerhouse roster?
What it comes down to is, you will use wins as a QB stat when it supports the argument you already wanted to make, and disregard it when it contradicts you. That’s silly.
I’m open to the idea that Fields’ record isn’t all his fault, for sure. I think there’s probably a lot of truth to that, which is why I was mostly talking about other things. I just thought it was interesting for a Fields guy of all people to tie a win loss record exclusively to the QB.
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You don’t think a QB should elevate a college team even more than an NFL team?
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Maye was 16 for 36 against a down Clemson team. I’m not sure he’s a slam dunk to be better than Fields. He could be. But I’m not moving off Fields for “could be.” This team should be ready to win next year. Build around a guy with a solid floor at a minimum and you can find a quarterback somewhere if need be.
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You don’t think a QB should elevate a college team even more than an NFL team?
I don’t even know what this means.
I don’t think Fields’ win loss record is all on him. I haven’t watched many UNC football games, but I doubt Drake Maye’s win loss record is all on him either.
The difference between our views is that you want to tie Maye completely to his team’s record, and absolutely refuse to criticize Fields at all for his because of a bunch of other external things.
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I wouldn’t have figured you for a “wins are a quarterback stat” guy. At all.
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Maye was 16 for 36 against a down Clemson team. I’m not sure he’s a slam dunk to be better than Fields. He could be. But I’m not moving off Fields for “could be.” This team should be ready to win next year. Build around a guy with a solid floor at a minimum and you can find a quarterback somewhere if need be.
Any time you draft any QB, literally ever, it’s a “could be”. It was a “could be” when they drafted Fields and moved on from Trubisky.
The chances to pick a top prospect at the top of the draft are rare, they just don’t come up often. I understood why they passed on it last year - I think it will turn out to be a big mistake if they pass on it again this year.
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If you draft Maye, you’d better be prepared for a rough couple of first years, because he doesn’t strike me as win soon NFL starter.
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I wouldn’t have figured you for a “wins are a quarterback stat” guy. At all.
I am saying exactly the opposite of this.
You are the one tying a QB’s record to him as a prospect at the next level. I am pointing out that that’s silly, and that if you apply that logic to both players there’s basically no way justify keeping Fields.
You want Maye’s record to count against him, and Fields’ record not to count against him. That’s dumb.
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It’s probably just as likely Bo Nix or JJ McCarthy is a franchise quarterback.
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If you draft Maye, you’d better be prepared for a rough couple of first years, because he doesn’t strike me as win soon NFL starter.
Maybe so. I’ve said a few times I am not qualified to make an evaluation like that really. I just think it’s funny that you’re willing to write off the actual scouts’ evaluation of a guy because he’s 4-4 against the ACC this year to hang onto a guy who is 7-26 in 34 starts.
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I don’t think Williams or Maye are a Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck.
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Maybe so. I’ve said a few times I am not qualified to make an evaluation like that really. I just think it’s funny that you’re willing to write off the actual scouts’ evaluation of a guy because he’s 4-4 against the ACC this year to hang onto a guy who is 7-26 in 34 starts.
I’m not. He’s got the tools, but I don’t think he’s necessarily a safe pick by any means. Trubisky had the tools.
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Just like PAMan, going with the career record. Totally ignoring that last year he was completely set up to fail.
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No quarterback in the NFL was set up worse than Justin Fields.
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He is 2-6 this year if that makes you feel better about it
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Again, I never figured you for a “wins are a quarterback stat,” guy. But if your record in a middling conference is middling, that could mean something.
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Again, I never figured you for a “wins are a quarterback stat,” guy. But if your record in a middling conference is middling, that could mean something.
One of us brought up wins as a QB stat, and the other pointed out how silly that was and how it undercut the point he was trying to make.
You can pretend I was the first guy if you want but I was not.
If having a middling record “means something”, I’m fine with that - there’s just no way to justify keeping Fields if you believe that. I tend to think there are a lot of other factors to consider and tying a QB’s record to him is a bad idea. Fields’ W/L record isn’t why I want to move on from him - you’re the one that brought it up.
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He is 2-6 this year if that makes you feel better about it
Again, totally ignoring that they have 30 new players who hadn’t played together and were behind the 8 ball with injuries as early as training camp. Chase Claypool turned out to be an enormous asset, though.
Let me guess, you blame him for the Denver and Detroit collapses, too?
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Again, totally ignoring that they have 30 new players who hadn’t played together and were behind the 8 ball with injuries as early as training camp. Chase Claypool turned out to be an enormous asset, though.
Let me guess, you blame him for the Denver and Detroit collapses, too?
Nope, I don’t. I blame him for the Denver game being one of two undeniably good games he’s had at QB this year (characteristic game ending fumble notwithstanding). I blame him for that being such an obvious outlier in his career. I don’t blame him for the defense giving up 35 points to the Broncos or whatever they gave up.
I do not think wins are a very good QB stat overall, which is why I pushed back when you used it to try to evaluate a QB prospect.
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I am saying exactly the opposite of this.
Yet you’ve referred to Fields’ career record like 3x now?
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But yes, I think it should be easier for a future NFL franchise quarterback to elevate his college team. College is easier. By a lot.
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I do love how when I posted Fields’ career record you were like “LOL just like PAMAN you use career record when he was set up to fail last year”, and then when I used just this season’s record you came up with another excuse why that also doesn’t count. Still the same Tempo I remember.
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I almost certainly wouldn’t have cited Maye’s record without you going there first. And you did.
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Yet you’ve referred to Fields’ career record like 3x now?
Correct - to point out how stupid it is for a Fields guy to use a QBs record as a mark against him, which you did.
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Fuck, man.
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Fuck, man.
Well said. Excellent points.
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Drake Maye is 4-4 in the ACC. He lit up Campbell pretty good though.
Nope, I didn’t. This was the first mention of W/L record regarding either guy.
Your arguments are about as consistent as Fields’ play.
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Well said. Excellent points.
About as good as repeating yourselves a million times.
You guys should exchange phone numbers.
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It appears I stand corrected there. I thought I saw you mention his record earlier. Even so, you don’t think it’s easier for a college QB to to elevate his team in college than in the pros? Especially someone expected to be a franchise quarterback? Maye may be a fine NFL quarterback, but nothing about production or winning percentage screams elite. He could be the next Ryan Leaf.
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About as good as repeating yourselves a million times.
You guys should exchange phone numbers.
I’d settle for yours.
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I’d settle for yours.
Lol, I bet you would.
I don't think QB performance in college correlates that strong with QB performance in the NFL. There are a lot of examples of dominant college QBs flaming out quickly in the NFL.
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Maye’s passer rating is actually his worst of his three years. Again, he could be awesome. I just don’t know that there’s enough there to be thinking “Gotta have this over Fields.” If Peyton Manning is on the board, of course.
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Caleb Williams was constantly battling teams himself because the USC defense was atrocious! His season stats were still magnificent. Dude can fling it. He’s my pick if we get to #1. No doubt. Fields had his chance and didn’t seize it.
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Caleb Williams was constantly battling teams himself because the USC defense was atrocious! His season stats were still magnificent. Dude can fling it. He’s my pick if we get to #1. No doubt. Fields had his chance and didn’t seize it.
Newsflash: pretty much all defense in the PAC whatever number they call it now conference is atrocious.
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I am also open to trading the pick for a haul as well. Thankfully I’m not the GM. I don't get to see what’s available in a trade to Poles behind the scenes. If it’s good enough take it. Just don’t wanna regret not taking Williams if he’s available. It could come back to bite you in the ass.
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So could drafting him.
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Newsflash: pretty much all defense in the PAC whatever number they call it now conference is atrocious.
Apply the same logic and standards to the guy you’re defending. You’re literally the one person that’s using double standards in your defense of Fields, no matter what someone says. It’s weird as fuck. I know you want him to be good, but he’s just not good enough. Or hasn’t been this far.
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There’s an entire graveyard of highly drafted quarterbacks, and these are only some of the bodies buried there.
(https://i.postimg.cc/RFyBLv6D/IMG-5720.png) (https://postimg.cc/HcwRpDtw)
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Apply the same logic and standards to the guy you’re defending. You’re literally the one person that’s using double standards in your defense of Fields, no matter what someone says. It’s weird as fuck. I know you want him to be good, but he’s just not good enough. Or hasn’t been this far.
Fields is a top 18 or better QB in the NFL. With a clear path to getting better.
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Spark, have you watched any of the All 22 film reviews?
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Spark, have you watched any of the All 22 film reviews?
You don’t even watch most of the games you speak on. That goes for any sport and/or any game.
Whatchu talkin’ bout, Willis?!
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There’s an entire graveyard of highly drafted quarterbacks, and these are only some of the bodies buried there.
(https://i.postimg.cc/RFyBLv6D/IMG-5720.png) (https://postimg.cc/HcwRpDtw)
Let's not forget Bo Callahan.
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There’s an entire graveyard of highly drafted quarterbacks, and these are only some of the bodies buried there.
(https://i.postimg.cc/RFyBLv6D/IMG-5720.png) (https://postimg.cc/HcwRpDtw)
Soon to be added to the list, "Field, Justin."
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https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/chicago-bears/leaders/career-fumbles-fumbles
Player Gms Fum
1. Walter Payton, 1975-87 190 86
2. Jay Cutler, 2009-17 102 65
3. Jim Harbaugh, 1987-93 89 38
4. Rick Casares, 1955-64 121 35
Justin Fields, 2021-23 35 35
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https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/chicago-bears/leaders/career-fumbles-fumbles
Player Gms Fum
1. Walter Payton, 1975-87 190 86
2. Jay Cutler, 2009-17 102 65
3. Jim Harbaugh, 1987-93 89 38
4. Rick Casares, 1955-64 121 35
Justin Fields, 2021-23 35 35
Walter Payton #1, what a loser!
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Literally I could not have written a better response to that list for you.
So good
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Walter Payton #1, what a loser!
He had some pretty shitty teammates too, lots of rebuilding years there
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Literally I could not have written a better response to that list for you.
So good
I’ve conceded multiple times the fumbles need to get cleaned up.
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That’s big of you I suppose
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Troy Aikman is finishing up an interview on The Score. Some interesting stuff.
Mentioned that the Bears have likely already made the decision on Fields, and he gets the impression they like him based on his discussions with Flus, Getsy, Poles. Said he felt they would move on from him early in the season, but has seen enough to believe he can be the guy at least for another year. Said he really likes Caleb Williams as well. Talked about how impatient the league is these days. Bradshaw took 5-6 years before he hit his stride, Aikman said it wasn’t until year 3 and he got Norv Turner and a better supporting cast when he turned the corner.
Said that Minnesota is a tough matchup because of the way they play. Seems to think Justin played pretty well but also acknowledged the fumbles. Said he really believes in a strong run game and that no one benefited from the run game more than him.
Mentioned that environment is really important. Mentioned that Brock Purdy probably wouldn’t have the same success if he were in other places. Says he understands how hard it is to be on the bottom since he was there the first couple years of his career. Good interview.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwN7LYBSRQQ
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https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/amp/report_justin_fields_to_blame_for_chicago_bears_high_number_of_screen_passes_not_luke_getsy/s1_17081_39607778
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Looks like you owe Getsy another apology
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Looks like you owe Getsy another apology
Check out my sig update.
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Check out my sig update.
I don't want to hurt myself patting myself on the back, but, damn, both of those statements are true.
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Getting back to Spark’s comments “waiting for everything to be perfect.”
You guys should watch JT O’Sullivan’s breakdown of the Vikings game. I’m only a quarter of the way through it. He is absolutely shredding the offensive design, play-calling, and said offensive line play like this will get you fired. Ruin jobs and families. You cannot play quarterback like this (with so many guys taking Ls).”
He did point out where he thought just had a bad misread on a guy across the middle that should have been thrown to. But he’s spent 95% of this time barbecuing the design, play-calling, and execution of the offense as a whole. He spent 5 minutes in disbelief over a screen pass to Kmet. And they threw another one! Lol
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Lucas Patrick and Darnell Wright have been abysmal through the first 1/4 of the video. Comically bad.
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Tommy DeVito seems to be figuring it out pretty quickly
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As you are seeing, Getsy doesn't have much to work with in addition to not dumbing down the offense sooner to accommodate the lousy players. Still went 2-2 with a D2 QB somehow.
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Yes, that D2 player has picked up things quicker than Fields. And as Custard stated above, DeVito seems to be picking up stuff quicker than Fields as well. Where you’re drafted doesn’t mean shit. Tempo will use this last line to state it does matter, but then use how often top QB’s drafted fail in defense of Fields when justifying keeping him, and down playing drafting Maye or Williams. Weird…
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Tommy DeVito seems to be figuring it out pretty quickly
Very astute point, Custard. It appears you closely follow the National Football League as opposed to the Cult Member.
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Yes, that D2 player has picked up things quicker than Fields. And as Custard stated above, DeVito seems to be picking up stuff quicker than Fields as well. Where you’re drafted doesn’t mean shit. Tempo will use this last line to state it does matter, but then use how often top QB’s drafted fail in defense of Fields when justifying keeping him, and down playing drafting Maye or Williams. Weird…
Imagine what he could do if DeVito had 10 All-Pros surrounding him!
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Imagine what he could do if Devito had 10 All-Pros surrounding him!
But DeVito says 🤌🏼 fuck that.
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Tommy DeVito seems to be figuring it out pretty quickly
Lol
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Lucas Patrick and Darnell Wright have been abysmal through the first 1/4 of the video. Comically bad.
Darnell Wright is a rookie, and as such, we need to wait 30-50 starts before we can properly evaluate his play.
Guys, we just need to be patient.
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Darnell Wright is a rookie, and as such, we need to wait 30-50 starts before we can properly evaluate his play.
Guys, we just need to be patient.
Yes, because RT is just as hard of a position to figure out as QB.
Wright has been mostly good for a rookie, but he’s hit a wall. His last few starts have not been good.
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Yes, patience might be helpful. Not that familiar with that many successful 12 game complete rebuilds.
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As you are seeing, Getsy doesn't have much to work with in addition to not dumbing down the offense sooner to accommodate the lousy players. Still went 2-2 with a D2 QB somehow.
Again, a Raiders team that had given up on their lousy coach (who got fired afterwards), and a home game against a team worse than they are. A real heroic feat going 2-2 there.
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Last years’ Bears probably win that Carolina game.
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Again, a Raiders team that had given up on their lousy coach (who got fired afterwards), and a home game against a team worse than they are. A real heroic feat going 2-2 there.
And if your guy Justin was playing, you would have praised him for it lol
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Fields beats the team that has given up the most points in the NFL and a journeyman backup QB without 1 of the best rcvrs in the league who tosses 4 picks, or whatever, and those wins are much better than an UDFA getting a couple of wins against anybody.
Lololol.
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Lol
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LOL!
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LOL
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Somebody here said they don't remember ever seeing a GM go scorched earth and get rid of all the talent.
So, patience please. There just may not be a roadmap to follow for a complete rebuild if nobody's done it before. This may be precedent setting territory and I can't imagine why it's not done all the time.
Lololol
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And if your guy Justin was playing, you would have praised him for it lol
Winning is a team accomplishment. PAMan is trying to credit Getsy and Bagent exclusively. The Bears win those games either Bagent or Fields at quarterback.
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Fields beats the team that has given up the most points in the NFL and a journeyman backup QB without 1 of the best rcvrs in the league who tosses 4 picks, or whatever, and those wins are much better than an UDFA getting a couple of wins against anybody.
Lololol.
JFC
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I’ve said many times Bagent performed admirably in those wins. He’s accomplished much more than you could expect as a D2 UDFA rookie. He’s just not a starting quarterback.
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Having said that, crediting him (and mostly him) for a home win against the worst team in the NFL is a giant reach in trying to make Fields look bad.
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Minnesota was 5-1 in their last 6 without Justin Jefferson before they lost to the Bears btw.
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So skew that how you want.
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Somebody here said they don't remember ever seeing a GM go scorched earth and get rid of all the talent.
So, patience please. There just may not be a roadmap to follow for a complete rebuild if nobody's done it before. This may be precedent setting territory and I can't imagine why it's not done all the time.
Lololol
What a fucktard.
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I can’t believe you think that’s a
“gotcha” post.
The Bears are 4-4 in their last 8. Should be 6-2. The defense is playing much better (as well as the quarterback). Any spin for that?
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The Bears win those games either Bagent or Fields at quarterback.
You don't know that.
Lololol
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Winning is a team accomplishment. PAMan is trying to credit Getsy and Bagent exclusively. The Bears win those games either Bagent or Fields at quarterback.
Losing is also a team accomplishment. Something the Bears are quite familiar with.
With that being said, my point stands. If Fields is in there and goes 2-2, you're singing his praises. Not trying to minimize his accomplishments.
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You don't know that.
Lololol
Lol
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Winning is a team accomplishment. PAMan is trying to credit Getsy and Bagent exclusively. The Bears win those games either Bagent or Fields at quarterback.
LOL
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You don't know that.
Lololol
You got me…
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What a fucktard.
It wasn't me that said they don't remember it being done.
Lololol
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Losing is also a team accomplishment. Something the Bears are quite familiar with.
With that being said, my point stands. If Fields is in there and goes 2-2, you're singing his praises. Not trying to minimize his accomplishments.
If he plays well. If they win despite him, I wouldn’t say much of anything. Have I been pounding my chest over Fields leading the game winning drive against Minnesota? I don’t think I have.
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It wasn't me that said they don't remember it being done.
Lololol
JFC what kind of prescription drugs are you on?
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What a fucktard.
This was your 7th post in a row, lol. Spark's return unlocked the fucktard in you
LOL
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The Bears are 4-4 in their last 8. Should be 6-2. Any spin for that?
They could be, but they aren't. Should be is wishful thinking.
Lololol
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You guys are fuckin weird. Obsessed with me. Fucking bizarre.
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They could be, but they aren't. Should be is wishful thinking.
Lololol
Lololololol
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If he plays well. If they win despite him, I wouldn’t say much of anything. Have I been pounding my chest over Fields leading the game winning drive against Minnesota? I don’t think I have.
Lol, bullshit. If the Bears go 2-2 in that stretch, despite Fields, you're still singing his praises, and talking all kinds of shit about his leadership and how he's about to turn the corner.
Just stop, man. Own your bullshit.
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JFC what kind of prescription drugs are you on?
I'm not taking any of the ones you should be on. Or did you stop taking them ?
Lololol
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They could be, but they aren't. Should be is wishful thinking.
Lololol
Wishful thinking? You don’t think holding onto the Denver and Detroit leads was an outcome that could be reasonably expected? “Lolololol”
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You guys are fuckin weird. Obsessed with me. Fucking bizarre.
You get off on thinking that. Even though it isn't true.
Fact is, you dominate the discussion on here with your hot take bullshittery. Therefore, those are the talking points. Do I think about you when I'm not on here? Absolutely not. Why would I?
Unless I need a ride somewhere...
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Lol
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Tempo, if you need to feel like we are all obsessed with you and your thoughts and your movements, feel that way I guess. If that's what you need to make you feel wanted or something, cool. Have at it.
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Lol
Lol
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“Lol”
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You get off on thinking that. Even though it isn't true.
Fact is, you dominate the discussion on here with your hot take bullshittery. Therefore, those are the talking points. Do I think about you when I'm not on here? Absolutely not. Why would I?
Unless I need a ride somewhere...
Now, that is funny. Not the stuff you are getting at snoozer Loyalty, Jasn.
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Mn is 1000% obsessed with me. I could say something totally innocuous and he will nitpick the fuck out of it.
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Wishful thinking? You don’t think holding onto the Denver and Detroit leads was an outcome that could be reasonably expected? “Lolololol”
No. And the Vikings would probably agree.
Lololol
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Mn is 1000% obsessed with me. I could say something totally innocuous and he will nitpick the fuck out of it.
Dude. Nobody is obsessed with you. It's a message board. I can only speak for myself by saying this is a small part of my life. Like, so small it barely registers.
I feel like you like to nitpick and fuck with people too. You're super passive agressive with a lot of your posts. It's not just everyone else fucking with you. You give back as much as you get.
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If you don’t think the solo back to back to back “Lol” comments aren’t indicative of the mob mentality that permeates this place you didn’t take enough psych classes.
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I’m not 100% innocent, but I only fuck with the people that fuck with me. There’s about 5 of you.
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If you don’t think the solo back to back to back “Lol” comments aren’t indicative of the mob mentality that permeates this place you didn’t take enough psych classes.
I did LOL.
You ever think that maybe people here are onto your BS? Unlike The Twitter where they fawn over Fields?
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If you don’t think the solo back to back to back “Lol” comments aren’t indicative of the mob mentality that permeates this place you didn’t take enough psych classes.
Mob mentality? Lol
A bit dramatic.
And the "Lol" shit comes from you. You know, when we're having a conversation and you want to be a dick, and come back with the "Lol"? Yes, we're throwing that back at you because it's a horseshit way to post.
Lol
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I’m not 100% innocent, but I only fuck with the people that fuck with me. There’s about 5 of you.
Riiiight. By "people that fuck with me" you're defining that as people that disagree with you. Right?
And when people disagree, you call them dipshit or whatever else. And then, people are expected to just let that roll or something.
Lol
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You’re right. I’m the only dick here…
I generally will talk to people the way they talk to me. But I still like Justin Fields so I deserve to be mocked.
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Jobu is the last person here who should be lecturing on decorum.
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You’re right. I’m the only dick here…
I generally will talk to people the way they talk to me. But I still like Justin Fields so I deserve to be mocked.
It's not that you like him. Like him if you want. But you're looking for confrontation. Don't act like you're not
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Jobu is the last person here who should be lecturing on decorum.
I'm not lecturing on shit. Post how you like. But don't come back with the "victim" bullshit when people come back at you.
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It's not that you like him. Like him if you want. But you're looking for confrontation. Don't act like you're not
I’d rather have debate. I settle for confrontation.
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I'm not lecturing on shit. Post how you like. But don't come back with the "victim" bullshit when people come back at you.
“Come back at me” for suggesting it wasn’t the heroics of Bagent and Getsy that propelled the Bears to 2 wins against patsies? Ok, I will try to control myself.
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Actually, I was refuting more than suggesting…
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I’d rather have debate. I settle for confrontation.
Nope. You want confrontation. Stop with the bullshit.
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“Come back at me” for suggesting it wasn’t the heroics of Bagent and Getsy that propelled the Bears to 2 wins against patsies? Ok, I will try to control myself.
Nobody said that. The record is the record. It is what it is.
If Fields were playing, you would have praised him for those wins. That's it.
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They did their jobs in the wins. Along with the rest of the team and coaches.
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Nobody said that. The record is the record. It is what it is.
If Fields were playing, you would have praised him for those wins. That's it.
I’m not sure I would. Have I been going on and on about the Minnesota win? I think it’s absurd you guys think I can’t be objective about Fields. I’ve said numerous times he needs to get better in certain areas. He needs to start hitting the open guy more often, and he needs to get rid of the ball faster. But he is far from the only or even primary problem with the Bears.
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Even Custard who loves piling on me agrees.
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They did their jobs in the wins. Along with the rest of the team and coaches.
Absolutely. But if Fields were playing, you would be hyping him up about as much as you're downplaying Bagent.
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Nobody said that. The record is the record. It is what it is.
If Fields were playing, you would have praised him for those wins. That's it.
I would have given the entire team credit, as it should be. Fields isn’t winning or losing on his own.
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I’m not sure I would. Have I been going on and on about the Minnesota win? I think it’s absurd you guys think I can’t be objective about Fields. I’ve said numerous times he needs to get better in certain areas. He needs to start hitting the open guy more often, and he needs to get rid of the ball faster. But he is far from the only or even primary problem with the Bears.
You can't be objective about Fields. The only time you bring up his shortcomings is when people call you out for riding his dick.
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I would have given the entire team credit, as it should be. Fields isn’t winning or losing on his own.
Lol
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Absolutely. But if Fields were playing, you would be hyping him up about as much as you're downplaying Bagent.
The ONLY reason I downplay Bagent is because of the excessive throating he gets here. I think what he accomplished was fantastic. Movie worthy even. He’s just not a starting QB.
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We're not getting anywhere. If you're not going to be honest, there's no point.
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The ONLY reason I downplay Bagent is because of the excessive throating he gets here.
That's bullshit. 100%. You downplayed him before he took his first snap.
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Lol
What’s so funny about that?
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We're done.
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What’s so funny about that?
It's bullshit. That's what's funny.
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That's bullshit. 100%. You downplayed him before he took his first snap.
Because guys like PAMan and JJ already had his cock in their throats. And I’m not sure it was that soon.
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Lie to yourself if you want. But don't lie to me.
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Because guys like PAMan and JJ already had his cock in their throats. And I’m not sure it was that soon.
Lol. Wow.
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Lie to yourself if you want. But don't lie to me.
You should look up the game threads. I’d actually be curious to see what’s there. I have no problem with Tyson Bagent, but citing him as THE reason (along with Getsy) we won those two games is trolling.
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You should look up the game threads. I’d actually be curious to see what’s there. I have no problem with Tyson Bagent, but citing him as THE reason (along with Getsy) we won those two games is trolling.
Yes, that would be trolling if anyone actually said that. And I'm not going back to look.
You had a problem with people being optimistic about Bagent. Don't act like you didn't. You took it personally for some weird reason.
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Yes, that would be trolling if anyone actually said that. And I'm not going back to look.
You had a problem with people being optimistic about Bagent. Don't act like you didn't. You took it personally for some weird reason.
He did everything you could reasonably ask and more. But acting like he was the heir apparent was way over the top.
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He did everything you could reasonably ask and more. But acting like he was the heir apparent was way over the top.
Well, acting like Fields is the heir apparent might be viewed the same way. By many accounts, the Bears are taking a QB, and he may or may not be back. He hasn't exactly solidified his place here.+
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Yes, that would be trolling if anyone actually said that. And I'm not going back to look.
You had a problem with people being optimistic about Bagent. Don't act like you didn't. You took it personally for some weird reason.
I not only was mostly complementary about Bagent (in his role), but I even went as far as to say Fields could “learn something from watching him,” A comment that PAMan has mocked me for on numerous occasions. So, maybe fix your narrative.
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I not only was mostly complementary about Bagent (in his role), but I even went as far as to say Fields could “learn something from watching him,” A comment that PAMan has mocked me for on numerous occasions. So, maybe fix your narrative.
True, you did say that. That's fair. But you're way faster to fire on Bagent for making mistakes than you are Fields.
I don't have a narrative, lol. I don't care about this shit nearly as much as you do.
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Jason Goff subbing in for Parkins and Spiegel today and making some great points.
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Jason Goff subbing in for Parkins and Spiegel today and making some great points.
Yay.
Let me guess. His thoughts are right in line with yours. Not that I give a shit lol
LOL
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Yay.
Let me guess. His thoughts are right in line with yours. Not that I give a shit lol
LOL
Not exactly.
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But he and Anthony Herron have been providing some fresh perspective, which is pretty shocking because very little of what I hear is thoughtful and intelligent.
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Since Mn likes to cherry pick stats, who wants to guess 38 year old Brian Hoyer’s (Raiders starter) record as a starter his last 16 starts (spanning over 7 years)? I’ll help.
It’s 0-16. Lol
1-20 in his last 21. Thank God we had Getsy and Bagent!
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Since Mn likes to cherry pick stats, who wants to guess 38 year old Brian Hoyer’s (Raiders starter) record as a starter his last 16 starts (spanning over 7 years)? I’ll help.
It’s 0-16. Lol
1-20 in his last 21. Thank God we had Getsy and Bagent!
He start any games with the Bears in 2016?
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He start any games with the Bears in 2016?
Lol
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Tommy DeVito in his 2nd and 3rd NFL starts posts back to back 100+ QBR which is a first for an UDFA. He’s started a whole new touchdown celebration and has become national news.
Tempo LOLs when I mention he’s catching on quick on a bad team.
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He start any games with the Bears in 2016?
His last win came as a Bear! 1-5 in 6 games!
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His last win came as a Bear! 1-5 in 6 games!
Very Fields like. Hoyer had 3 fumbles in those 6 games. Lost 1. Can't top Fields there.
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Tommy DeVito in his 2nd and 3rd NFL starts posts back to back 100+ QBR which is a first for an UDFA. He’s started a whole new touchdown celebration and has become national news.
Tempo LOLs when I mention he’s catching on quick on a bad team.
I LOLd that in the context that you were obviously making a comparison to Justin Fields who “hasn’t figured it out pretty quickly.” I have posted at least a couple of times that DeVito is playing well, and probably better than he did as an Illini. Would I take him over Fields, or does his good start mean he’s a future star? That’s what I was Loling. Please don’t try to say that you were “just sayin’” and not trying to stir the pot.
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Most of the fighting Illini football forum is repetitive threads about da Bears. Maybe they should havr their own?
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I LOLd that in the context that you were obviously making a comparison to Justin Fields who “hasn’t figured it out pretty quickly.” I have posted at least a couple of times that DeVito is playing well, and probably better than he did as an Illini. Would I take him over Fields, or does his good start mean he’s a future star? That’s what I was Loling. Please don’t try to say that you were “just sayin’” and not trying to stir the pot.
I think he was saying a guy 2-3 starts is figuring shit out but a guy with 2 years of starts isn't.
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Most of the fighting Illini football forum is repetitive threads about da Bears. Maybe they should havr their own?
Or maybe just know what you’re in for when you open it. Shouldn’r be all that difficult to avoid.
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I think he was saying a guy 2-3 starts is figuring shit out but a guy with 2 years of starts isn't.
Right. Which is dumb.
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Right. Which is dumb.
Except it is accurate.
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Since Mn likes to cherry pick stats, who wants to guess 38 year old Brian Hoyer’s (Raiders starter) record as a starter his last 16 starts (spanning over 7 years)? I’ll help.
It’s 0-16. Lol
1-20 in his last 21. Thank God we had Getsy and Bagent!
0-16 ? in his last 16 starts. That's awful.
Fields has 2.
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0-16 ? in his last 16 starts. That's awful.
Fields has 2.
But Fields is 1 for his last 1.
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Except it is accurate.
Ironically, his best statistical game came against Washington. Which doesn’t seem to count for Justin Fields.
His other good game was 191 yards and 1 touchdown against NEw England, a front-runner for the #1 pick.
So since his best game came against Washington, we have to discount it, no?
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If DeVito puts together a lengthy string of good games we’ll talk.
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But Fields is 1 for his last 1.
🧌
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Ironically, his best statistical game came against Washington. Which doesn’t seem to count for Justin Fields.
His other good game was 191 yards and 1 touchdown against NEw England, a front-runner for the #1 pick.
So since his best game came against Washington, we have to discount it, no?
Granted great 1st half, but the second half against Washington was meh.
New England was over a year ago. You really are stretching it, aren't you?
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0-16 ? in his last 16 starts. That's awful.
Fields has 2.
2 wins?
Did Hoyer start all those games for a team that was actively tanking? I was 1000% sure you or PAMan would bring this up. Predictable.
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If DeVito puts together a lengthy string of good games we’ll talk.
When has Fields "put[] together a lengthy string of good games" to merit his adulation by you and the other Cult members?
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2 wins?
Did Hoyer start all those games for a team that was actively tanking? I was 1000% sure you or PAMan would bring this up. Predictable.
The Bear is still tanking this season?
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2 wins?
Did Hoyer start all those games for a team that was actively tanking? I was 1000% sure you or PAMan would bring this up. Predictable.
You brought it up.
2-14 is nothing to write home about.
Lololol
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Granted great 1st half, but the second half against Washington was meh.
New England was over a year ago. You really are stretching it, aren't you?
I’m talking about DeVito…
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I’m talking about DeVito…
I actually thought you were talking about Fields....
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You brought it up.
2-14 is nothing to write home about.
Lololol
Tempo will NEVER EVER get it! You play…to WIN…the GAME!
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whats everyone laughing about, whats so funny
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Lol
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LOL
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Lol
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LMMFAO
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Lulz
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Lol
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Lol
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Laugh out loud
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Fields beats the team that has given up the most points in the NFL and a journeyman backup QB without 1 of the best rcvrs in the league who tosses 4 picks, or whatever, and those wins are much better than an UDFA getting a couple of wins against anybody.
Lololol.
Minnesota had won 5 of their last 6, with their only loss coming by 1 point on the road. Or is that damaging to the narrative?
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Minnesota had won 5 of their last 6, with their only loss coming by 1 point on the road. Or is that damaging to the narrative?
Every week is a new week.
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Every week is a new week.
Week to week league. Any given Sunday…
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Even as strong Fields backer this is objectively funny.
(https://i.postimg.cc/7YMXrdcc/IMG-5735.png) (https://postimg.cc/GHtvk7bJ)
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Week to week league. Any given Sunday…
I looked on the member list and I didn’t see you?
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Wait, now the regular Jobu doesn’t show up. WTF if going in here?
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I looked on the member list and I didn’t see you?
It’s a trick. Slight of hand per se…
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I looked on the member list and I didn’t see you?
Weird huh
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Week to week league. Any given Sunday…
That's why they make you play the game.
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That's why they make you play the game.
You can be sure though that even if Fields doesn’t play, he would’ve won if he did!
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That's why they make you play the game.
What if a team has predetermined that they do not wish to win the game?
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You can be sure though that even if Fields doesn’t play, he would’ve won if he did!
Sure? No such thing. Very likely? Yes.
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Justin Fields was not going to lose at home to Brian Hoyer or the Panthers.
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Justin Fields was not going to lose at home to Brian Hoyer or the Panthers.
Yes he was
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Yes he was
Very convincing rebuttal.
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Very convincing rebuttal.
He would have fumbled at an inopportune time. You know he averages a fumble a game
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Jason Goff proposed an interesting question: who’s had the best year? Flus, Getsy, or Fields?
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What if a team has predetermined that they do not wish to win the game?
Still gotta play
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Very convincing rebuttal.
If you can make claims that can’t be proven, I can too
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If you can make claims that can’t be proven, I can too
You’re right. Thankfully Bagent started those games because he’s the only one that could have won them.
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So is Jobu also Jobu Horsecockington, because that seems kind of lame.
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You’re right. Thankfully Bagent started those games because he’s the only one that could have won them.
Other qbs could have won them too.
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You’re right. Thankfully Bagent started those games because he’s the only one that could have won them.
Let’s compare their win percentage…
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Other qbs could have won them too.
But not Fields.
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So is Jobu also Jobu Horsecockington, because that seems kind of lame.
Holy shit, you finally got it. Amazing
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But not Fields.
We know this. Glad you hopped on board!
😝
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But not Fields.
Exactly
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Holy shit, you finally got it. Amazing
It’s magic! I tried to give him a clue…
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It’s magic! I tried to give him a clue…
Yep. Next I’m gonna pull a rabbit out of my head
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Yep. Next I’m gonna pull a rabbit out of my head
Lololol
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Yep. Next I’m gonna pull a rabbit out of my head
Me too…
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How am I now just finding out that we can change our usernames?
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How am I now just finding out that we can change our usernames?
We can credit jasn for that. I had no idea until he did it.
Maybe he’s not a total dumbass. Lol
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How am I now just finding out that we can change our usernames?
Lib Tempo is gonna stereotype and judge all of us inbreds…
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Holy shit, you finally got it. Amazing
I finally get it? I think I only knew of Jobu Horsecockington since yesterday. Who is LKDog Horsecockington?
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Since when can you edit your username?
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Jason Goff proposed an interesting question: who’s had the best year? Flus, Getsy, or Fields?
Either Fields or Eberflus obviously - both started terrible but as the season's gone on have looked slightly better.
This is, again, setting the lowest possible bar though. All three of these guys have been bad.
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I finally get it? I think I only knew of Jobu Horsecockington since yesterday. Who is LKDog Horsecockington?
My brother. I have a large family.
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Either Fields or Eberflus obviously - both started terrible but as the season's gone on have looked slightly better.
This is, again, setting the lowest possible bar though. All three of these guys have been bad.
Fairly reasonable, but his larger point was when where and how is accountability dished out?
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Fairly reasonable, but his larger point was when where and how is accountability dished out?
Accountability is 'dished out' to different people for different things.
It's like asking, who did better work on Inglorious Basterds - Quentin Tarantino or Christoph Waltz? Well, they played completely different (but both very important) roles in the production of the movie.
Eberflus is obviously on the hook for the team's record. To the degree that the team's improved over the season thusfar, he's on the hook for that too.
Fields is on the hook for his own play. To the degree that his play's improved over the season thusfar, he's on the hook for that.
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Accountability is 'dished out' to different people for different things.
It's like asking, who did better work on Inglorious Basterds - Quentin Tarantino or Christoph Waltz? Well, they played completely different (but both very important) roles in the production of the movie.
Eberflus is obviously on the hook for the team's record. To the degree that the team's improved over the season thusfar, he's on the hook for that too.
Fields is on the hook for his own play. To the degree that his play's improved over the season thusfar, he's on the hook for that.
OK in your opinion, are flus, Getsy and fields all out of here next year?
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I will say, I think part of the issue here is that you're just far more impressed with Fields' turnaround than I am.
He's looked a little better for parts of the last 4-5 games (again, a low bar), but realistically in terms of what level of play would be "good enough" to justify keeping him, the games like Washington/Denver need to be a lot more common than they are, and the games like most of the games he's played this year need to be a lot less common.
He needs to put the ball in the endzone. His legs are a great weapon, but if he's going to play running back you're wasting the most important position on the field - he needs to be able to throw the ball consistently, and he needs to be a LOT better in 2nd/3rd and long situations and end-game situations. He obviously has some arm talent too, he just has never put everything together - he seems like he struggles processing his reads quickly, still misses easy throws too often for a guy who's started 30 some games in the NFL, etc.
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OK in your opinion, are flus, Getsy and fields all out of here next year?
I think they should be out of here next year. Assuming they get a high pick and a shot at one of the top QBs, I think of that group I'd be most likely to keep Eberflus, and least likely to keep Getsy. But yeah, if it were up to me, none of those three guys has shown me enough to run it back next year.
Whether they will be? Man, who knows. The Bears aren't exactly the most well-run franchise. I think Getsy is a near-given to be fired. Wouldn't surprise me either way on the other two.
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I saw something that said the going rate for a QB on a second contract is around $200 million dollars or something. No way in hell you pay Fields some shit like that lol.
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I also think putting Fields in that "make-or-break" situation AGAIN for ANOTHER whole season, especially with ANOTHER new OC and potentially head coach, is just a disaster waiting to happen.
It would be really bad for the Bears if we were still having this conversation a year from now.
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I also think putting Fields in that "make-or-break" situation AGAIN for ANOTHER whole season, especially with ANOTHER new OC and potentially head coach, is just a disaster waiting to happen.
It would be really bad for the Bears if we were still having this conversation a year from now.
Especially if they drafted a QB and somehow kept Fields too…
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I will say, I think part of the issue here is that you're just far more impressed with Fields' turnaround than I am.
He's looked a little better for parts of the last 4-5 games (again, a low bar), but realistically in terms of what level of play would be "good enough" to justify keeping him, the games like Washington/Denver need to be a lot more common than they are, and the games like most of the games he's played this year need to be a lot less common.
He needs to put the ball in the endzone. His legs are a great weapon, but if he's going to play running back you're wasting the most important position on the field - he needs to be able to throw the ball consistently, and he needs to be a LOT better in 2nd/3rd and long situations and end-game situations. He obviously has some arm talent too, he just has never put everything together - he seems like he struggles processing his reads quickly, still misses easy throws too often for a guy who's started 30 some games in the NFL, etc.
I don’t know that I’d call it “impressed” as much as “encouraged.” Here’s what I know (and think): talent wise, he’s special. Few QBs have his talent. While I know he’s still erratic as a passer, I saw him pass for 8 TDs in two games. I’ve been watching the Bears since the late 70s. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Bears QB do that. Granted, it was two games, but we’ve seen flashes of what he can do in the passing game. I’d argue even extended flashes. He was the most accurate passer in the PFF era in college, so you know it’s there. That doesn’t happen just by playing for tOSU.
He is probably one of the 5 most talented running QBs we’ve ever seen. He would have smashed the yardage record last year had they been going for it, and he didn’t even start running till like week 5.
As of right now he is a top 20 quarterback in the NFL (granted definitely not elite), but he also has a clear path to being a top 10 quarterback. When I went over each team, I don’t remember a single quarterback in the 10-20 range anywhere near the chance to improve like him. Maybe Lawrence if he’s in that 10-12 range.
His “intangibles” are about as good as you could ask for. Leadership - check. Work ethic - check. Character - check. Toughness - check. Anyone who has ever worked with this kid raves about him. Trent Dilfer ran a QB camp for something like 10 years and he said pretty much anyone who was anybody came through his camp. He said Fields was his 2nd favorite player ever. Tua was #1.
Not everyone matures at the same rate. The Bears have done just about everything they can to fuck this kid up, yet he keeps working hard and improving.
The Bears will be ready to make a big jump next year IMO. The first class of draftees will be full fledged veterans. We are still 2nd in the league in cap space. They have tons of draft capital and could add a lot more if they trade out of the Carolina pick. Hell, if they trade it to the right team they could possibly be looking at the #1 pick three years in a row. That’s a big if, I know, but they look to be swimming in draft capital the way U of I swims in Asian butthole.
I see no reason whatsoever not to bring Justin back for a 4th year. If he isn’t getting it done you can trade him next year. I have zero problem drafting his potential replacement this year either. I have seen his floor and think it’s pretty high. I think at worst he will be a Donovan McNabb/Daunte Culpepper type quarterback. I think there’s a good chance he’ll be better than they were. Shore up his line and give him a guy like Marvin Harrison Jr or Bowers (or both!), coach him correctly, and watch this kid take off.
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Also, I realize this may be a “me”
thing, and I realize he’s got the money; but a college kid driving a $150k car just feels off to me. I’m not saying I wouldn’t have driven a car like that, but I also wasn’t the most focused or mature 21 year old. By a long-shot. I see red flags with Caleb Williams on and (mostly off) the field.
https://x.com/nflrookiewatxh/status/1730105844639936595?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Also, I realize this may be a “me”
thing, and I realize he’s got the money; but a college kid driving a $150k car just feels off to me. I’m not saying I wouldn’t have driven a car like that, but I also wasn’t the most focused or mature 21 year old. By a long-shot. I see red flags with Caleb Williams on and (mostly off) the field.
https://x.com/nflrookiewatxh/status/1730105844639936595?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Uh, you know he is on national ads for Dr. Pepper and those Heisman House ads, right? The Cult Must Protect Fields!
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[A] He was the most accurate passer in the PFF era in college, so you know it’s there. That doesn’t happen just by playing for tOSU.
[B.] His “intangibles” are about as good as you could ask for. Leadership - check. Work ethic - check. Character - check. Toughness - check.
[C] The Bears will be ready to make a big jump next year IMO.....We are still 2nd in the league in cap space....That’s a big if, I know, but they look to be swimming in draft capital the way U of I swims in Asian butthole.
A. Yes it does. We saw it with OSU QBs since Tomczak until this year in Houston. Fields still refuses to throw guys open or throw to guys who are NFL Open.
B. He fucking whined about being taught NFL concepts. "They are throwing too much at me! Wah wah wah!" He is a fucking baby. He didn't do shit over the summer that actually made him better this year. He is the same guy from the end of last year. Who you crappin'? You are delusional.
C. You said this same shit last year. If you say it every year you will undoubtedly get it right and then claim you were Ahead of the Curve.
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Fields quietly slipped from top 18 to top 20 overnight in the Tempo NFL QB rankings.
Did Bagent and DeVito move up into the 18th and 19th spots ? 🤷♂️
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Uh, you know he is on national ads for Dr. Pepper and those Heisman House ads, right? The Cult Must Protect Fields!
Yes, I said I know he has the money. I wonder if his priorities are in order. It’s not the only red flag.
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Fields quietly slipped from top 18 to top 20 overnight in the Tempo NFL QB rankings.
Did Bagent and DeVito move up into the 18th and 19th spots ? 🤷♂️
JFC
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A. Yes it does. We saw it with OSU QBs since Tomczak until this year in Houston. Fields still refuses to throw guys open or throw to guys who are NFL Open.
B. He fucking whined about being taught NFL concepts. "They are throwing too much at me! Wah wah wah!" He is a fucking baby. He didn't do shit over the summer that actually made him better this year. He is the same guy from the end of last year. Who you crappin'? You are delusional.
C. You said this same shit last year. If you say it every year you will undoubtedly get it right and then claim you were Ahead of the Curve.
You seriously aren’t even worth engaging in this debate.
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JFC
Lol
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You seriously aren’t even worth engaging in this debate.
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You seriously can't handle people who disagree with you and call you out on it.
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Yes, I said I know he has the money. I wonder if his priorities are in order. It’s not the only red flag.
Must protect the Cult leader.
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At least Spark is interested in intelligent back and forth.
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Intelligent and sincere.
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There is also an anti-Fields cult that is so dug in on their narratives that they can’t be reasoned with or engaged sincerely.
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Only those lacking objectivity would say he’s shown no improvement. That’s a troll’s take. I have conceded numerous times that Fields has flaws, and perhaps they will be fatal. But I think he will get better in his deficiencies, and he has special play-making ability that makes less than perfect play tolerable. We are not talking about a Chad Pennington, who has to execute everything perfectly almost every time in order to be effective.
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I don’t know that I’d call it “impressed” as much as “encouraged.” Here’s what I know (and think): talent wise, he’s special. Few QBs have his talent. While I know he’s still erratic as a passer, I saw him pass for 8 TDs in two games. I’ve been watching the Bears since the late 70s. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Bears QB do that. Granted, it was two games, but we’ve seen flashes of what he can do in the passing game. I’d argue even extended flashes. He was the most accurate passer in the PFF era in college, so you know it’s there. That doesn’t happen just by playing for tOSU.
He is probably one of the 5 most talented running QBs we’ve ever seen. He would have smashed the yardage record last year had they been going for it, and he didn’t even start running till like week 5.
As of right now he is a top 20 quarterback in the NFL (granted definitely not elite), but he also has a clear path to being a top 10 quarterback. When I went over each team, I don’t remember a single quarterback in the 10-20 range anywhere near the chance to improve like him. Maybe Lawrence if he’s in that 10-12 range.
His “intangibles” are about as good as you could ask for. Leadership - check. Work ethic - check. Character - check. Toughness - check. Anyone who has ever worked with this kid raves about him. Trent Dilfer ran a QB camp for something like 10 years and he said pretty much anyone who was anybody came through his camp. He said Fields was his 2nd favorite player ever. Tua was #1.
Not everyone matures at the same rate. The Bears have done just about everything they can to fuck this kid up, yet he keeps working hard and improving.
The Bears will be ready to make a big jump next year IMO. The first class of draftees will be full fledged veterans. We are still 2nd in the league in cap space. They have tons of draft capital and could add a lot more if they trade out of the Carolina pick. Hell, if they trade it to the right team they could possibly be looking at the #1 pick three years in a row. That’s a big if, I know, but they look to be swimming in draft capital the way U of I swims in Asian butthole.
I see no reason whatsoever not to bring Justin back for a 4th year. If he isn’t getting it done you can trade him next year. I have zero problem drafting his potential replacement this year either. I have seen his floor and think it’s pretty high. I think at worst he will be a Donovan McNabb/Daunte Culpepper type quarterback. I think there’s a good chance he’ll be better than they were. Shore up his line and give him a guy like Marvin Harrison Jr or Bowers (or both!), coach him correctly, and watch this kid take off.
Right from your first line, I disagree completely.
He has some talent; he has not shown anything to lead me to believe he's "special". He's been nothing but "a guy" since the first game he played. A talented kid, but not some next-level talent, and not someone who's ever shown the ability to harness that consistently and turn it into production.
Yes, he threw for 8 TD in two games. Trubisky had a stretch where he threw for 9 TD in two games, so not only have you seen a guy do that, it was a guy you ripped constantly when he was here. It's worth noting that you intentionally misrepresented something I said during that stretch for literally years to rip on me for being encouraged by his play in a small sample size. Fields also has 4 TD and 5 INT in the other 5 and a half games he's played this season.
You're banking a lot on this notion that he "has a chance to improve" more than other guys, but he simply has not done that. He is still inconsistent, he still has a lot of the exact same problems he has always had.
As I said earlier; the absolute worst case scenario for the Bears is that we're having this discussion on December 2nd, 2024. There just isn't a worse outcome than that, and you're practically begging to put Fields out there next year with another new OC and another new HC - seems pretty likely we are still having this conversation in a year if they run it back with Fields, doesn't it? I don't even know how to respond to the notion that his "floor" is notably high. He has been bad. That's his floor - unacceptably bad QB play.
I disagree with nearly this entire post. You obviously see the potential for something in Fields that through 35 starts he has not shown at all - to me, if he hasn't shown that through 35 starts, the chances that he shows it through 50 starts is pretty miniscule.
This is a guy whose career has mostly been in the bottom tier of league QBs (even now after his improvement your take is "he's a top-20 QB" out of 30) and you're telling me "at worst" he turns into 6x Pro Bowler and borderline HoF candidate Donovan McNabb - but there's a good chance Fields is even better. It's insanity.
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Also, I realize this may be a “me”
thing, and I realize he’s got the money; but a college kid driving a $150k car just feels off to me. I’m not saying I wouldn’t have driven a car like that, but I also wasn’t the most focused or mature 21 year old. By a long-shot. I see red flags with Caleb Williams on and (mostly off) the field.
https://x.com/nflrookiewatxh/status/1730105844639936595?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
God damn is this the all time dumbest shit ever in history. Seriously, this is a next-level terrible take, jesus christ.
It's the kind of take I'd expect to see from the "I don't like college sports because the kids can leverage their name and image now" crowd, but I wouldn't have pegged you for that.
I don't judge an NFL player or NBA player or an entrepreneur for having a nice car, so I'm not going to judge a college player for having a nice car. He can afford it, and he earned his money.
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Right from your first line, I disagree completely.
Ok…
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“A guy.” Lol He was voted one of the top 100 players in the NFL LAST YEAR by actual NFL players. Ahead of Trevor Lawrence. Has he been a consistently strong passer? No. “A guy?” That’s absurd.
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He hasn't even been an average QB in his career so far. I thought it was reasonably generous, to be honest.
I have no idea what games you're watching, but you said at least 4-5 things in that post that boggle my mind. It's like you're seeing only what you want to see, and completely handwaving and ignoring any data that contradicts your preconception (which, to this point, is the large majority of the data).
Your reasoning for wanting to keep him are all based on what you think or hope MIGHT happen. The reasoning for moving on is based on what has actually happened so far in his career.
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Ok, maybe not “at worst,” but I think he’s got a very good chance of being a Daunte Culpepper/Donovan McNabb caliber player, possibly better. He’ll be better than Michael Vick ever was, at least long term. Lamar hasn’t exactly been a polished passer his entire career. I’d argue Fields is a better passer now than Lamar was last year.
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Ok, maybe not “at worst,” but I think he’s got a very good chance of being a Daunte Culpepper/Donovan McNabb caliber player, possibly better. He’ll be better than Michael Vick ever was, at least long term. Lamar hasn’t exactly been a polished passer his entire career. I’d argue Fields is a better passer now than Lamar was last year.
Holy shit 😳
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Better than Vick, Culpepper, and McNabb.
Can't move on from a guy like that.
Jesus, man.
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And let’s not forget his coaching has sucked balls.
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Better than Vick, Culpepper, and McNabb.
Can't move on from a guy like that.
Jesus, man.
Vick had some unbelievable games, I don’t remember long stretches of quality play. I amended my earlier statement, so maybe you could take note of that.
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Holy shit 😳
Anything specific?
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Anything specific?
Uh yeah, it’s delusional and fucking insane!
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Uh yeah, it’s delusional and fucking insane!
Anything specific outside of that?
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Anything specific outside of that?
What’s the point? I mean seriously it’s pointless to “debate” or “argue” with someone that actually thinks that. He’s shown nothing outside of a few plays, maybe games, to think such a thing.
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FTR, Fields has a better passer rating right now than Lamar had last year. If you remove Fields’ first few games, I’m sure it’s quite a bit higher.
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What’s the point? I mean seriously it’s pointless to “debate” or “argue” with someone that actually thinks that. He’s shown nothing outside of a few plays, maybe games, to think such a thing.
The point is provide a specific beef or STFU.
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It's certainly possible Fields ends up better than these 3+x Pro Bowl QBs, some of whom were probably just on the wrong side of Hall of Fame consideration. I'm not saying I know for a fact he won't be.
I can't imagine what you've seen that makes you so bullish on that being even remotely likely, though.
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At least Spark makes counter arguments.
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FTR, Fields has a better passer rating right now than Lamar had last year. If you remove Fields’ first few games, I’m sure it’s quite a bit higher.
What if you also remove Lamar's worst games?
If you only count the two games where Fields threw 4 TD I'm sure his numbers look fantastic, that's just not how real life works.
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If you remove Fields’ first few games, I’m sure it’s quite a bit higher.
Why the fuck would you do that and need to add a statement like this then?! Fucking WEIRD!
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It's certainly possible Fields ends up better than these 3+x Pro Bowl QBs, some of whom were probably just on the wrong side of Hall of Fame consideration. I'm not saying I know for a fact he won't be.
I can't imagine what you've seen that makes you so bullish on that being even remotely likely, though.
I probably see the same things that inspired actual NFL players to vote him in the top 100 players, ahead of Trevor Lawrence.
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It's certainly possible Fields ends up better than these 3+x Pro Bowl QBs, some of whom were probably just on the wrong side of Hall of Fame consideration. I'm not saying I know for a fact he won't be.
I can't imagine what you've seen that makes you so bullish on that being even remotely likely, though.
Bullseye…
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I probably see the same things that inspired actual NFL players to vote him in the top 100 players, ahead of Trevor Lawrence.
Where do you think he'll land on the top-100 list this year?
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Bullseye…
Make sure you get a tooth into that ankle
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Make sure you get a tooth into that ankle
I just said that because I agreed with every single thing he posted.
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At least Spark is interested in intelligent back and forth.
LOL. Spark hasn't heard the same lame arguments from you for over a year
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Cult is working overtime today
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Where do you think he'll land on the top-100 list this year?
I don’t know he’s a better passer, but obviously not running as wild, but I know the players in the league respect and fear his playmaking ability, as well as the coaches.
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Cult is working overtime today
Troll is producing low level troll work today
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I don’t know he’s a better passer, but obviously not running as wild, but I know the players in the league respect and fear his playmaking ability, as well as the coaches.
Chances are pretty good he's not on the list at all, don't you think? Not a given by any means especially with a handful of remaining games, but it seems relatively likely he doesn't make that list for next year given this season so far.
I also think it's worth noting that part of the deal here is that the top-100 players list had half the starting QBs in the league on it, and Fields was listed at 14th out of 15 QBs on the list - behind guys like Geno and Goff. For obvious reasons it didn't have any rookie QBs on it. It also didn't have guys like Howell, Purdy, and Wilson on it who have been better than Fields. Not like they voted him some elite QB - the players put him squarely at the median of NFL starting QBs coming into this season, and he likely hasn't performed at that level overall thusfar.
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“A guy.” Lol He was voted one of the top 100 players in the NFL LAST YEAR by actual NFL players.
I'm not seeing "a guy" named Justin Fields in a top 100 for 2022 list. Got a link ?
I do see pre-season predictions for top 100, and a list that includes Montgomery, Smith and Quinn but they got shipped out by Poles.
Pre-season predictions are what they are, predictions.
https://www.nfl.com/news/top-100-players-of-2022-nos-10-1-tom-brady-no-1-one-more-time
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😱 💀
https://x.com/brightsidebears/status/1731001406713168378?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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I'm not seeing "a guy" named Justin Fields in a top 100 for 2022 list. Got a link ?
I do see pre-season predictions for top 100, and a list that includes Montgomery, Smith and Quinn but they got shipped out by Poles.
Pre-season predictions are what they are, predictions.
https://www.nfl.com/news/top-100-players-of-2022-nos-10-1-tom-brady-no-1-one-more-time
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NFL coaches respect him enough to draw up special game plans for him. Maybe we could find an OC who knows how to take advantage of that.
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The Illini basketball game is on man, come on. Fucking Justin Fields bullshit 24/7. And you wonder why we think you’re obsessed and/or irrational…
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The Illini basketball game is on man, come on. Fucking Justin Fields bullshit 24/7. And you wonder why we think you’re obsessed and/or irrational…
I’m running errands and squeezing this in.
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I am dealing with shit. Forgot the Illini were on. I usually don’t get dialed in until mid December these days.
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If I’m not dialed in by Jan 16th, it’ll be time to worry.
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I am dealing with shit. Forgot the Illini were on. I usually don’t get dialed in until mid December these days.
Ok, hope shit gets better.
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Just for clarity's sake though, this is a prediction list. This was asking players coming into this season who they thought the top-100 players would be in 2023.
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NFL coaches respect him enough to draw up special game plans for him. Maybe we could find an OC who knows how to take advantage of that.
I assume most NFL coaches draw up specific game plans for other teams' QBs, especially when they do something out of the ordinary (i.e., he can kill you with his legs but if you can make him throw he's pedestrian). I don't think this is the win you think it is.
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Ok, hope shit gets better.
Not until my ex leaves the country.
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I assume most NFL coaches draw up specific game plans for other teams' QBs, especially when they do something out of the ordinary (i.e., he can kill you with his legs but if you can make him throw he's pedestrian). I don't think this is the win you think it is.
Yeah, but very few of them get their own spy. That’s a huge advantage for the offense.
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Yeah, but very few of them get their own spy. That’s a huge advantage for the offense.
His passer rating this year is better than Lamar’s (I think in 2021 and 2022?). And that’s counting the several putrid games he has to start the year. He’s not as inept at passing you say he is.
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He's historically pretty inept as a passer - his career passer rating is currently a few points lower than Trubisky's was when the Bears cut him loose (or the year before that, to compare 3 year periods). He's been moderately better, especially in those two games, that's just a small sample size and is propping up that rating quite a bit, obviously - he was pedestrian if that before and after those games.
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He's historically pretty inept as a passer - his career passer rating is currently a few points lower than Trubisky's was when the Bears cut him loose (or the year before that, to compare 3 year periods). He's been moderately better, especially in those two games, that's just a small sample size and is propping up that rating quite a bit, obviously - he was pedestrian if that before and after those games.
Just as Trubisky’s Tampa game in which he literally played against 4 rookie starters in the secondary, propped up his numbers pretty nicely
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Field is not a bad passer and he’s gotten better. He just needs to get rid of it quicker more consistently.
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And Trubisky benefited from a better team around him. Fields has had an adequate team for about eight games, and even then they were still trying to recover from preseason injuries and 30 new faces.
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Field is not a bad passer and he’s gotten better. He just needs to get rid of it quicker more consistently.
That’s EXACTLY what Getsy is doing and you’re complaining about!
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Just as Trubisky’s Tampa game in which he literally played against 4 rookie starters in the secondary, propped up his numbers pretty nicely
Glad to see you remember that one - I wasn't sure, since you said earlier you hadn't ever seen a Bears QB throw 8 TD in two games before.
And yes, it definitely does. Are you arguing we should've kept Trubisky on the back of that two game stretch against bad defenses?
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Or why he’s calling that and trying to get Fields to improve on and repeat over and over.
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That’s EXACTLY what Getsy is doing and you’re complaining about!
I’m not talking about screen passes
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Glad to see you remember that one - I wasn't sure, since you said earlier you hadn't ever seen a Bears QB throw 8 TD in two games before.
And yes, it definitely does. Are you arguing we should've kept Trubisky on the back of that two game stretch against bad defenses?
Yeah, I forgot about Trubisky‘s monster game where Bears were running wide, open all over the field against a fifth year college defense
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It's always funny when you completely handwave a particular argument consistently, and then end up having to make the same argument later.
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NFL coaches respect him enough to draw up special game plans for him. Maybe we could find an OC who knows how to take advantage of that.
LOL. He'll he throwing mostly screen passes wherever he goes.
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Just for clarity's sake though, this is a prediction list. This was asking players coming into this season who they thought the top-100 players would be in 2023.
LOL
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Yeah, but very few of them get their own spy. That’s a huge advantage for the offense.
Except when the QB refuses to throw downfield to guys who are NFL open.
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Tempo has been citing a predictive list this whole time. It DOES NOT get any better than that.
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At some point, potential is just that, potential. Doesn’t mean shit when we have seen the results match after a 3-year sample.
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At some point, potential is just that, potential. Doesn’t mean shit when we have seen the results match after a 3-year sample.
He needs 5 years of starts holding onto the ball before we can judge.
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LOL. He'll he throwing mostly screen passes wherever he goes.
The game plan seems to dramatically shift from week to week. Depending on the whims of the OC.
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At some point, potential is just that, potential. Doesn’t mean shit when we have seen the results match after a 3-year sample.
So far his floor is a way more athletic Derek Carr, who’s been a 10 year starter in this league. Can’t tell me you’d rather have Derek Carr, but then again, you judge offense by the number of sacks given up.
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You can’t tell me the Saints wouldn’t rather have Fields.
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At some point, potential is just that, potential. Doesn’t mean shit when we have seen the results match after a 3-year sample.
A 3 year sample which included a barely more than practice squad roster and incompetent offensive coaching.
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It's always funny when you completely handwave a particular argument consistently, and then end up having to make the same argument later.
Example?
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So far his floor is a way more athletic Derek Carr, who’s been a 10 year starter in this league. Can’t tell me you’d rather have Derek Carr, but then again, you judge offense by the number of sacks given up.
Carr, who I think is a solid but not great QB in the NFL, has had numerous seasons considerably better than even this current half-season Fields is having (his peak thusfar). Where do you get this stuff?
You keep saying stuff about "his floor" and then describing QBs who have been both better and more consistent than Fields in their career.
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Example?
Like, when you get fussy that people point out the two game stretch you're hanging your hat on in this debate was against the worst passing D in the league and a team that had been within a FG of giving up the NFL all time single game scoring record a week before, but then you mock Trubisky's two game stretch because it happened against bad defenses.
Justin Fields' two-game stretch you're putting so much weight on also happened against bad defenses, but you don't think that's relevant re: Fields.
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Just for clarity's sake though, this is a prediction list. This was asking players coming into this season who they thought the top-100 players would be in 2023.
I’m not sure that’s the case. It’s the top 100 players at the end of 2022. I don’t see anything about “hey guys, give us your predictions!”
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I’m not sure that’s the case. It’s the top 100 players at the end of 2022. I don’t see anything about “hey guys, give us your predictions!”
It's from a list of players published in August called ""The Top 100 Players of 2023". It's a prediction of who the players thought would be the 100 best players this year.
""The Top 100 Players of 2023" -- voted on by the players themselves -- is underway on NFL+! The series concludes with a two-hour live show -- "The Top 100 Players of 2023: The Top 10" -- on Monday, Aug. 7, on NFL+."
https://www.nfl.com/news/top-100-players-of-2023-nos-90-81-tagovailoa-hopkins-fields-hutchinson
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I don’t see anything here about “next year, or give us your predictions!” It only makes sense the top players in 2022 would be the top players heading into 2023.
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“Vote to determine the top players in the league.” Not “next year.”
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I don’t see anything here about “next year, or give us your predictions!” It only makes sense the top players in 2022 would be the top players heading into 2023.
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It's the title of the article.
"Top-100 Players of 2023". It was published before the 2023 season began. I can't imagine why you'd call it that if you were actually listing the best players of 2022, but I guess you could be right.
And no, it doesn't - predicting who will be better next year is different than saying who has been better this year. It assumes, I would guess, big growth for young guys who appeared to have breakout years (like Fields). I don't think Fields has really shown that big growth overall thusfar in 2023.
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That poll was taken last year. Because Danny Parkins has alluded to it multiple times for almost a year now. “OMG Danny Parkins instant loss of credibility!”
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That poll was taken last year. Because Danny Parkins has alluded to it multiple times for almost a year now. “OMG Danny Parkins instant loss of credibility!”
I would assume it was taken between the seasons.
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Nm
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“Last year.”
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Doesn’t really make any difference now does it? He hasn’t done anything since.
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Doesn’t really make any difference now does it? He hasn’t done anything since.
Lulz nice pivot.
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FUCKING. HILARIOUS.
Even got a "Danny Parkins can't be a stupid shithead" style post to boot.
Unfucking believable.
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FUCKING. HILARIOUS.
Even got a "Danny Parkins can't be a stupid shithead" style post to boot.
Unfucking believable.
Most predictable response in the history of HQ2.
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Read it (again) PAMan.
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Lulz nice pivot.
He’s not been even near that ranking. And as Spark said, I don’t think it’s the flex you think it is.”
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PAMan knee jerk responses to anything Danny Parkins is as bankable as the sun setting in the west.
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Read it (again) PAMan.
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Preseason list in August. Awesome. Guess what? They were wrong. He sucks.
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He’s not been even near that ranking. And as Spark said, I don’t think it’s the flex you think it is.”
You don’t think his NFL peers viewing him as a top player means anything?
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PAMan knee jerk responses to anything Danny Parkins is as bankable as the sun setting in the west.
What is predictable is he is a bigger moron than just about everyone here.
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You don’t think his NFL peers viewing him as a top player means anything?
In August....doesn't mean shit when they won't let him throw downfield unless he absolutely has to
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You don’t think his NFL peers viewing him as a top player means anything?
Nope, I really don’t. He is not a good passer and has not been anywhere close to that ranking. Again, lots of that is based on potential.
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What a great day. Kudos to Spark and the Illini
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Ryan Leaf was ranked the second best prospect in a certain draft. So what?
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In August....doesn't mean shit when they won't let him throw downfield unless he absolutely has to
What is confusing about the words “last year?”
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What is confusing about the words “last year?”
What is confusing about it being August? LOL. I'll take Lawrence in the 2024 August poll....
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Ryan Leaf was ranked the second best prospect in a certain draft. So what?
Lol what a bizarre take. Talk about a wild pitch.
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Ryan Leaf was ranked the second best prospect in a certain draft. So what?
Are you making the case against Drake Maye?
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Lol what a bizarre take. Talk about a wild pitch.
Was he in an ad?
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Hopefully Fields won't be in any more Dunkin ads. He is not focusing on the playbook enough as he cannot handle NFL concepts. Red flag.
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His career passing stats- 61% comp, 5,699 yards, 7.7ypa, 36TD’s, 27INT’s, 15 fumbles, QBR 83.1
Very underwhelming. You crucified Trubisky for shit like this.
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His career passing stats- 61% comp, 5,699 yards, 7.7ypa, 36TD’s, 27INT’s, 15 fumbles, QBR 83.1
Very underwhelming. You crucified Trubisky for shit like this.
Especially when they traded for Mack without having a QB....
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Lol what a bizarre take. Talk about a wild pitch.
You’re the one talking about “rankings…”
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You could be right, it's just a weird way to put it if they were ranking his performance last year.
I would think that list would be called "The best players of 2022".
Either way, the problem is that he has not shown the consistency and improvement we'd need for me to feel good about holding onto him, especially with the opportunity to potentially draft a great prospect at the top of the draft.
I know it's Fields-fan meta to hate on Caleb Williams, but there's a reason most people everywhere think he's probably going to be the top pick. The people he seems to get the most criticism from, period, are Bears fans who want to hold onto Fields.
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Tempo has been citing a predictive list this whole time. It DOES NOT get any better than that.
It's a preseason hype list.
That's all it is.
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You’re the one talking about “rankings…”
lol
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It's a preseason hype list.
That's all it is.
Not it wasn’t. If you could read, you’d understand this.
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You could be right, it's just a weird way to put it if they were ranking his performance last year.
I would think that list would be called "The best players of 2022".
Either way, the problem is that he has not shown the consistency and improvement we'd need for me to feel good about holding onto him, especially with the opportunity to potentially draft a great prospect at the top of the draft.
I know it's Fields-fan meta to hate on Caleb Williams, but there's a reason most people everywhere think he's probably going to be the top pick. The people he seems to get the most criticism from, period, are Bears fans who want to hold onto Fields.
It was probably just a lazy writer who took an end of season poll and applied it to the beginning of this year. It’s not like they are going to put college players on the list.
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You could be right, it's just a weird way to put it if they were ranking his performance last year.
I would think that list would be called "The best players of 2022".
Either way, the problem is that he has not shown the consistency and improvement we'd need for me to feel good about holding onto him, especially with the opportunity to potentially draft a great prospect at the top of the draft.
I know it's Fields-fan meta to hate on Caleb Williams, but there's a reason most people everywhere think he's probably going to be the top pick. The people he seems to get the most criticism from, period, are Bears fans who want to hold onto Fields.
I wouldn’t pretend to know who is leading the charge against Williams. Twitter and the Internet is a pretty vast space.
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The Fields Cult is like Scientology. The network is vast and wide.
Apparently Hub today said if he had one to choose, he would take Eberlose over Fields.
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Not it wasn’t. If you could read, you’d understand this.
Everybody knows what it is.
It's a poll taken before the new season for the NFL to have hype material to work with.
The rankings are preseason predictions for how someone will play in the upcoming season, and the voters have previous season stats they can consider when they vote.
The best for 2022 were nothing more than who the voting players thought would be the best for 2022.
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Everybody knows what it is.
It's a poll taken before the new season for the NFL to have hype material to work with.
The rankings are preseason predictions for how someone will play in the upcoming season, and the voters have previous season stats they can consider when they vote.
The best for 2022 were nothing more than who the voting players thought would be the best for 2022.
Which is why it was released in.....August.
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The Fields Cult is like Scientology. The network is vast and wide.
Apparently Hub today said if he had one to choose, he would take Eberlose over Fields.
Lol obviously.
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Which is why it was released in.....August.
It wasn’t released in August. Can you guys not read?
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It wasn’t released in August. Can you guys not read? That article was written in August. The poll was taken like back in December or January. And it says nothing about “give us your predictions!”
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7QZgH1eP2o
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It wasn’t released in August. Can you guys not read? That article was written in August. The poll was taken like back in December or January. And it says nothing about “give us your predictions!”
So it was released in August
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7QZgH1eP2o
You know what I do in threads I don’t care about! I don’t read them!
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So it was released in August
The poll was take at the end of the year. And it wasn’t a “give us your prediction!” Poll.
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Of course Hub would rather keep Eberflus. He’d prefer to go back to leather helmets.
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Of course Hub would rather keep Eberflus. He’d prefer to go back to leather helmets.
Hub wore an earring.
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!!
Hub wore an earring.
True.
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I wouldn’t pretend to know who is leading the charge against Williams. Twitter and the Internet is a pretty vast space.
You've certainly entirely internalized their stupid narratives, though.
You were complaining yesterday about him having a nice car. It's the meatheadiest shit I've ever seen from you, and that's an incredibly high bar.
Caleb Williams might suck, I don't claim to know. If he does, it won't be because he bought a nice car with his NIL money.
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The poll was taken like back in December or January.
Is this just what you want to be true, or is there some evidence for this somewhere? It wasn't in the actual article.
I'd assume it happened in the offseason between seasons, not during last season. If they took the poll while last season was still going on the title makes even less sense than it already does.
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You've certainly entirely internalized their stupid narratives, though.
You were complaining yesterday about him having a nice car. It's the meatheadiest shit I've ever seen from you, and that's an incredibly high bar.
Caleb Williams might suck, I don't claim to know. If he does, it won't be because he bought a nice car with his NIL money.
Lol ok
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Spark, when I made that observation, I even stated “maybe this is a ME thing,” so I allowed for the fact that perhaps I was reading too far into things. But to pretend like there aren’t multiple red flags on Caleb Williams that have popped up recently is head in the sand shit.
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I mostly agree with spark’s assessment but will side with Tempo on the idea that the 150k car could be construed as at least a little bit of questionable decision making. He’s managed to play himself out of “best QB prospect since ______ consideration” to people having questions about him even being the best QB prospect in this draft. I’m sure he’s made some really good coin in the NIL game, but he hasn’t exactly made the kind of generational life changing money that comes with a big guaranteed NFL contract. Simply from an optics perspective it would probably be better to bank the NIL money and drive something a little more modest. And I can see it being a little bit of a red flag to NFL people seeking to examine the decision making of Caleb and the people around him. It’s not fair to hold Williams accountable for all the other athletes that recklessly blew through their money and ended up flat broke by 30, but it’s silly not to think stuff like that doesn’t get taken into consideration in the court of public opinion and by decision makers at franchises.
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I mostly agree with spark’s assessment but will side with Tempo on the idea that the 150k car could be construed as at least a little bit of questionable decision making. He’s managed to play himself out of “best QB prospect since ______ consideration” to people having questions about him even being the best QB prospect in this draft. I’m sure he’s made some really good coin in the NIL game, but he hasn’t exactly made the kind of generational life changing money that comes with a big guaranteed NFL contract. Simply from an optics perspective it would probably be better to bank the NIL money and drive something a little more modest. And I can see it being a little bit of a red flag to NFL people seeking to examine the decision making of Caleb and the people around him. It’s not fair to hold Williams accountable for all the other athletes that recklessly blew through their money and ended up flat broke by 30, but it’s silly not to think stuff like that doesn’t get taken into consideration in the court of public opinion and by decision makers at franchises.
Reasonable. Factor in it’s been said he wants partial ownership in the franchise that drafts him (which he has not denied), paints expletives on his fingernails, refuses to do press conferences, apparently refused to shake hands with opposing players; it makes you question his maturity and professionalism. If I’m drafting a QB #1 overall, I don’t want to have to ponder his professionalism long and hard. Not saying he’s not worthy, or won’t be great, but the scrutiny is fair.
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Spark, when I made that observation, I even stated “maybe this is a ME thing,” so I allowed for the fact that perhaps I was reading too far into things. But to pretend like there aren’t multiple red flags on Caleb Williams that have popped up recently is head in the sand shit.
As long as you take stupid shit like "he cried when he lost a big game at 19" or "he bought a nice car" as red flags, then sure.
Most reasonable people don't though.
Again, there's a reason you nearly exclusively see those "criticisms" from Bears fans who are invested in keeping Justin Fields another year. That isn't a coincidence.
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As long as you take stupid shit like "he cried when he lost a big game at 19" or "he bought a nice car" as red flags, then sure.
Most reasonable people don't though.
Again, there's a reason you nearly exclusively see those "criticisms" from Bears fans who are invested in keeping Justin Fields another year. That isn't a coincidence.
I didn’t even cite the crying in that post.
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I mostly agree with spark’s assessment but will side with Tempo on the idea that the 150k car could be construed as at least a little bit of questionable decision making. He’s managed to play himself out of “best QB prospect since ______ consideration” to people having questions about him even being the best QB prospect in this draft. I’m sure he’s made some really good coin in the NIL game, but he hasn’t exactly made the kind of generational life changing money that comes with a big guaranteed NFL contract. Simply from an optics perspective it would probably be better to bank the NIL money and drive something a little more modest. And I can see it being a little bit of a red flag to NFL people seeking to examine the decision making of Caleb and the people around him. It’s not fair to hold Williams accountable for all the other athletes that recklessly blew through their money and ended up flat broke by 30, but it’s silly not to think stuff like that doesn’t get taken into consideration in the court of public opinion and by decision makers at franchises.
There is zero difference between a guy who buys a nice car with his NIL money and a guy who buys a nice car with his NFL signing bonus.
Not one bit of difference whatsoever.
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There is zero difference between a guy who buys a nice car with his NIL money and a guy who buys a nice car with his NFL signing bonus.
Not one bit of difference whatsoever.
What about the other off the field stuff? Again, I said from the get-go maybe I’m trying too hard
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I didn’t even cite the crying in that post.
There's simply no doubt you have cited it previously. You've nailed all the other Reddit meathead criticisms of Caleb Williams thusfar, I struggle to believe you don't buy that one too.
He got hammered on the Bears subreddit for sitting and watching as his defense let the opponent drive down and lose him a game - he didn't care enough.
Two weeks later he got hammered by the exact same people for crying with his parents after his defense let the opponent drive down and lose him a game, ending their chances at a title - he cared too much.
You're criticizing him for spending his money on a nice car.
These are not serious criticisms from serious people. They're desperate, flailing criticisms from people who badly want the Bears to pass on him to keep Justin Fields, and that's all they are. They're the kind of shit you talk about when you don't have any real objective data that supports the conclusion you want to be true.
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What about the other off the field stuff? Again, I said from the get-go maybe I’m trying too hard
Which?
The rumor - unsourced - that he wants ownership in a franchise doesn't bother me all that much, even if it's true. I wouldn't blame him for wanting ownership in an NFL franchise.
There's plenty of evidence that his teammates and coaching staff think very highly of him and his leadership on and off the field, right? These criticisms aren't coming from people who know him and have been around him. They're coming from Bears fans who don't want to draft him.
Whoever picks after the Bears is surely hoping they talk themselves into passing on the QBs.
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Get OFf OF THE CAR. Get OFF of the CRYING which I didn’t cite. What about the other stuff?
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Get OFf OF THE CAR. Get OFF of the CRYING which I didn’t cite. What about the other stuff?
I don't care about the unsourced rumor regarding franchise ownership. I care about how he plays on the field. What matters is whether he can become an elite quarterback in the NFL.
Which other off-field stuff? If they're even half as stretchy as what you've brought so far, you can be sure I don't care about it. He didn't get in a car accident and leave someone he knew to die or anything.
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I don't care about the unsourced rumor regarding franchise ownership. I care about how he plays on the field. What matters is whether he can become an elite quarterback in the NFL.
Which other off-field stuff? If they're even half as stretchy as what you've brought so far, you can be sure I don't care about it. He didn't get in a car accident and leave someone he knew to die or anything.
So you’re ignoring the possible lack of sportsmanship and professionalism, shutting down of pressers, rumors that have not been denied. Noted.
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I see a list you cited earlier.
He paints a bad word on his fingernails for a big game.
He doesn't like talking to the press.
You've heard, but can't confirm, that he wouldn't shake some opponent's hand.
Again, these aren't particularly damning criticisms. That you have even resorted to this sort of stretchy nonsense is telling as to your state of mind. You've already decided, based on stupid shit like this.
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So you’re ignoring the possible lack of sportsmanship and professionalism, shutting down of pressers, rumors that have not been denied. Noted.
I think many great NFL players have said a bad word about an opponent, refused to shake their hands, not been thrilled to do press conferences, and worse. I don't think they're the sort of thing that are held against other players, and I think the sole reason you're making such a huge deal of them is that you like Justin Fields so much and desperately do not want the Bears to take a new QB in the draft.
Let's put it this way: last year you were upset that the Bears did not take Jalen Carter with their pick, and I don't think there's a reasonable accounting of 'off field, character issues' that says Caleb Williams' are worse than Jalen Carter's.
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Ok, so you’re willing to overlook possible red flags when evaluating a franchise QB. Glad you aren’t the GM.
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FTR, I don’t care much about the crying. But it is fun to make fun of him for it.
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Ok, so you’re willing to overlook possible red flags when evaluating a franchise QB. Glad you aren’t the GM.
Is not shaking your opponent's hand a red flag in a QB?
You'd pass on Tom Brady? Lamar Jackson? Both have openly refused to shake an opponent's hand in the NFL, Brady at least three or four times.
It's just not a thing. It has no bearing on whether a guy can be your franchise quarterback at all. I would make my decision based on the attributes that DO have bearing on whether a guy can be my franchise quarterback.
You're here talking about his car and some unsourced rumor about his agent and him painting a bad word on his fingernails.
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And Custard made a good point. He went from the “next Patrick Mahomes,” to maybe “the guy drafted after Drake Maye.” And it wasn’t me and Twitter Bears fans that made that happen.
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FTR, I don’t care much about the crying. But it is fun to make fun of him for it.
It's certainly fun making fun of the meathead morons who have made it a thing.
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And Custard made a good point. He went from the “next Patrick Mahomes,” to maybe “the guy drafted after Drake Maye.” And it wasn’t me and Twitter Bears fans that made that happen.
It's also not a thing that has happened, really. He's still expected by most people following to go 1st overall.
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It's certainly fun making fun of the meathead morons who have made it a thing.
Lol
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It's also not a thing that has happened, really. He's still expected by most people following to go 1st overall.
Most. Not all. 3 months ago he was a slam dunk. It was the “Caleb Williams lottery.”
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Most. Not all. 3 months ago he was a slam dunk. It was the “Caleb Williams lottery.”
And still is, most likely.
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There wasn’t a single mock draft where he wasn’t #1 a few months ago.
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Let's say this: if there were more valid on-field criticisms, there's no question you'd be repeating them. The fact that nearly all the criticisms you have are stretchy off-field shit that other great players have done and not had held against them, that have nothing to do whatsoever with his ability to do the job the Bears would be hiring him to do, is extremely telling.
End of the day, I'm not super bullish on Caleb - I'm not qualified to evaluate an NFL QB. If the people who are evaluate him highly, none of the stretchy shit you've been bringing up would talk me off of him. Same for Drake Maye or whoever else.
What I'm pretty confident of at this point is that Justin Fields is most likely not going to turn into the elite QB who wins you games in the NFL. He makes far too many mistakes, takes too many sacks, is not nearly consistent enough as a passer. It would be a mistake to hold onto him and pass on picking a top-QB, rare as it is to have a shot at one of those guys.
Doesn't mean that the top QBs would be better, no one here can know that, but hanging onto Fields is 1. a pretty hard sell given his play thusfar in his career, and 2. going to be very expensive a year from now. When you have a chance to take a guy with a higher ceiling on a far more team-friendly contract than you'll have Fields on after next year, it would be very stupid not to take them IMO.
And I don't see a way you can take one of those guys and also keep Fields. That is a disaster waiting to happen, especially the part of that that requires putting Fields in a do-or-die situation AGAIN, for the second year in a row, with his third OC and third HC. You've talked a lot about 'setting him up to fail'; nothing would set him up to fail more than taking a QB at 1 or 2, and then telling Fields his job is on the line with a new OC and HC next year.
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Yeah, I suppose I would. I also don’t think it’s a given Caleb Williams is an upgrade over Justin Fields. Especially given their draft profiles are remarkably similar. Only there were no potential maturity issues with Fields that I’m aware of.
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Also, I’m not saying the Bears shouldn’t draft Caleb Williams. I totally understand why they would. I’m just saying I don’t think I’d do it. And if they drafted Williams and brought back Fields for a 4th year, I’d probably call that prudent.
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Rolling it back with Fields, but having your premium insurance policy would probably be a great move.
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Also, I’m not saying the Bears shouldn’t draft Caleb Williams. I totally understand why they would. I’m just saying I don’t think I’d do it. And if they drafted Williams and brought back Fields for a 4th year, I’d probably call that prudent.
I can't think of a worse scenario for either dude than for them to both be here, with Fields having $150-200m on the line, with a new coach and a new OC, having not spent that draft capital on anything that helps Fields but instead on a top prospect at his position that if things go your way you won't even want to keep and will likely have to sell cheap.
As I've stated a couple times, the absolute worst case here is that we're still arguing about whether Justin Fields is good enough in December 2024. Your idea here seems like it's intentionally set up to make that happen. I'm sure you've heard the phrase, "if you're not sure if you have a QB, then you don't." As of now, the Bears don't. If they keep Fields and still don't a year from now, you might as well burn this whole era to the ground and start over.
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Rolling it back with Fields, but having your premium insurance policy would probably be a great move.
Yes, why spend a lot of resources on one position where you can start one guy when you can spend twice the resources and have two guys for the one position?
It's a terrible idea. Fields isn't some aging legend QB that's going to retire after the season. You can't pick his replacement with a top-5 pick and then pay him $150m the next offseason. If you're sticking with Fields you need to spend those high picks on MHJ or a tackle (or, maybe, an edge rusher if you feel safe on the OLine).
It's not hard to foresee a situation, were they to take Williams/Maye and ALSO hang onto Fields where you're telling people a year from now "well what did you expect from Fields when they spent their high pick on another QB instead of a WR or OL last year?!"
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Yeah, I suppose I would. I also don’t think it’s a given Caleb Williams is an upgrade over Justin Fields. Especially given their draft profiles are remarkably similar. Only there were no potential maturity issues with Fields that I’m aware of.
No one has said that it's a given, only that Caleb has consistently been evaluated better than Fields was. If that weren't true, Fields would've been a top-3 pick and he wasn't even a top-3 QB picked in his draft.
What you do seem to think is a given is that Justin Fields suddenly, after 40 some starts, turns into a much better QB than he has been. Not only do I not think that's a given, I don't think it's particularly likely.
What I know is that Fields, thusfar, has not been good enough at QB. That's true regardless of Caleb Williams.
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I can't think of a worse scenario for either dude than for them to both be here, with Fields having $150-200m on the line, with a new coach and a new OC, having not spent that draft capital on anything that helps Fields but instead on a top prospect at his position that if things go your way you won't even want to keep and will likely have to sell cheap.
As I've stated a couple times, the absolute worst case here is that we're still arguing about whether Justin Fields is good enough in December 2024. Your idea here seems like it's intentionally set up to make that happen. I'm sure you've heard the phrase, "if you're not sure if you have a QB, then you don't." As of now, the Bears don't. If they keep Fields and still don't a year from now, you might as well burn this whole era to the ground and start over.
You disagree. Cool.
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There is still a lot of cap space (2nd in the NFL) and excellent draft capital you seem to be overlooking.
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If Warren cleans house and launches Poles and Eberflus, no way they roll it back with Fields.
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If Warren cleans house and launches Poles and Eberflus, no way they roll it back with Fields.
I think that’s highly unlikely. Clickbait material IMO.
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If Warren cleans house and launches Poles and Eberflus, no way they roll it back with Fields.
And I would think that the incoming GM and HC would have a say there. I’ll be shocked if Poles is gone. Flus, he’s 50/50 IMO.
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I think that’s highly unlikely. Clickbait material IMO.
Never said how likely it was. Was just trying to contribute.
Carry on.
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Never said how likely it was. Was just trying to contribute.
Carry on.
And I just offered my opinion. Carry on.
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And I just offered my opinion. Carry on.
The clickbait comment was horseshit. Should have expected it tho
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The clickbait comment was horseshit. Should have expected it tho
Wut. Clickbait in the media. Not you.
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Yeah, I suppose I would. I also don’t think it’s a given Caleb Williams is an upgrade over Justin Fields. Especially given their draft profiles are remarkably similar. Only there were no potential maturity issues with Fields that I’m aware of.
Interestingly, there were pretty similar "unsourced rumors" of maturity and work ethic issues with Fields before the draft that likely caused his draft stock to slip - if it weren't for that sort of stuff, Fields might never have been on the Bears.. I would say to this point, those appear to have been completely unfounded - I haven't seen either of those things be issues with Fields at all thusfar.
https://www.si.com/college/ohiostate/football/ohio-state-quarterback-justin-fields-has-work-ethic-reportedly-called-into-question
Not a huge McAfee or Orlovsky fan, but it'd be revisionist history to act like this was never a thing in Fields' draft process.
“One, I have heard that he is a last-guy-in, first-guy-out type of quarterback. Like, not the maniacal work ethic. I’ve even heard it compared to Justin Herbert, where it was like, dude, when Justin Herbert showed up, he was like a psychopath when it came to working and get ready for the draft. Or even at school, like, “Give me more, I want to work non-stop.” And I’ve heard that there are issues with Justin Fields’ work ethic.
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The second thing is … Where is his desire to go be a great quarterback? I think that there’s a desire to be a big-time athlete, from what is expressed to me, but where is his desire to be a great quarterback? And to be great, you gotta be willing to find the things that you are not good at and just freaking grind on them.”
Now, I think there are definitely some racial components involved here for example - it's probably not a coincidence that every QB I can think of that had this kind of pre-draft talk is an athletic black guy (Fields, Caleb, Lamar, RG3). But I also don't think you can say that there weren't similar 'unsourced rumor' type questions about Fields' maturity when he entered the league that have turned out to be unfounded.
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Hilarious that Jobu always thinks I am attacking him. Victim.
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Like I would accuse Jobu of “clickbait.” Lol Clickbait means Internet hits.
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There is still a lot of cap space (2nd in the NFL) and excellent draft capital you seem to be overlooking.
But none as valuable as the top pick.
If you think Justin Fields is your QB, there is no way to justify spending that top pick on a QB. You already have one.
If you're not sure whether you already have one, especially after 40+ NFL starts, you almost certainly don't.
If they keep Fields but DON'T find a way to get him MHJ and instead pick another QB to sit behind him with the top pick, that'd be an even bigger mistake.
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Hilarious that Jobu always thinks I am attacking him. Victim.
Misunderstanding. My apologies.
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You could always trade Williams if Fields works out. You’d still get a very nice return. There’s more than one approach to the pick that can be defended. You can make a good case for all of it.
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You could always trade Williams if Fields works out. You’d still get a very nice return. There’s more than one approach to the pick that can be defended. You can make a good case for all of it.
You will trade him for cheap, though, if he's been sitting behind Fields all season. You're literally just throwing value out the window, and wasting a very valuable cheap year of QB play.
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Misunderstanding. My apologies.
No worries. If I’m attacking you, you’ll probably know it.
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Like I would accuse Jobu of “clickbait.” Lol Clickbait means Internet hits.
My comment was not in reference to anything in the media. That’s why I thought the clickbait comment was strange.
Not trying to be a dick. Again my bad.
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Remember last year when Brady Quinn said publicly CJ Stroud had committed to coming to the Manning QB camp and then just ghosted, and there was suddenly a narrative that Stroud had maturity concerns that might drop his draft stock?
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I’m just saying I think a lot of these “reports” are designed to get clicks. Is Flus gone? Very possible. Poles? I’d be very surprised. There absolutely could be some truth that Warren wants to be more involved though.
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I’m just saying I think a lot of these “reports” are designed to get clicks. Is Flus gone? Very possible. Poles? I’d be very surprised. There absolutely could be some truth that Warren wants to be more involved though.
But not the reports re: Caleb Williams? Those are legit, it's the other stuff that are designed to 'get clicks'?
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Remember last year when Brady Quinn said publicly CJ Stroud had committed to coming to the Manning QB camp and then just ghosted, and there was suddenly a narrative that Stroud had maturity concerns that might drop his draft stock?
So I guess the moral of the story is never believe or contemplate anything. No matter what.
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But not the reports re: Caleb Williams? Those are legit, it's the other stuff that are designed to 'get clicks'?
But most of it is stuff that actually happened. The Warren story is just a rumor.
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So I guess the moral of the story is never believe or contemplate anything. No matter what.
I mean, certainly that's a more rational thing to take from it than "just decide based on what you thought coming in which reports to trust and which not to."
You decide to take all the stuff about Caleb Williams as huge red flags because you want Justin Fields to be the Bears QB next year. There isn't another reason.
At the very least, the fact that damn near every athletic black QB including the one you hold so dear has had similar stuff said about them via unsourced rumors etc. that you take as so damning re: Caleb Williams should tell you to take those reports with a grain of salt, no?
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But most of it is stuff that actually happened. The Warren story is just a rumor.
Sure, it happened - that's not at question.
What's the "clickbait" stuff is the "THIS IS A HUGE CHARACTER RED FLAG" nonsense you repeat ad nauseum here.
Painting 'fuck Utah' on his fingernails doesn't move a needle for me. Not wanting to shake hands or do press conferences doesn't move the needle for me any more than it did when other people did it.
You're the one ignoring all the other people with similar pre-draft concerns or who have done the exact same thing as irrelevant, while latching onto the exact same details as big red flags about the guy who, surely coincidentally, you already didn't want to draft because of Fields.
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Celeb Willliams did paint his fingernails. Caleb Williams did cut of a presser. Caleb Williams has exhibited behavior that’s reasonable to examine. Again, “Warren may want to clean house” is a complete rumor.
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Celeb Willliams did paint his fingernails. Caleb Williams did cut of a presser. Caleb Williams has exhibited behavior that’s reasonable to examine. Again, “Warren may want to clean house” is a complete rumor.
Lamar and Tom Brady did refuse to shake their opponent's hands. Fields' work ethic really was questioned and it likely did cause his stock to fall.
But it doesn't show big red flag character or maturity concerns about those guys. Only Caleb Williams.
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Painting 'fuck Utah' on his fingernails doesn't move a needle for me.
Ok. Why do you DEMAND everyone follow your lead? I think it shows possible maturity issues. As do others.
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Possible
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Ok. Why do you DEMAND everyone follow your lead? I think it shows possible maturity issues. As do others.
I don't demand anything.
I think it's pretty classic Tempo meathead stuff. As do others, obviously.
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I don't demand anything.
I think it's pretty classic Tempo meathead stuff. As do others, obviously.
Kewl.
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Possible
Better bring it up and beat it into the ground any time anyone talks about drafting him then! Hell, he has possible issues!
Justin Fields has plenty of real, verified issues re: being a franchise QB of course - on the field stuff, not what car he drives or whether he shook his opponent's hand - but all of those are either totally ignored or handwaved while you rant about Caleb Williams' red flag "possible" maturity issues.
And the bigger issue here really isn't Caleb Williams. It's that Justin Fields has not been good enough.
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Do you think Tom Brady ever said "Fuck <NFL team>"? Aaron Rodgers? Peyton Manning? Is that a big character/maturity red flag from those guys? I bet you can find videos of all of these guys in their late 30s even still saying "fuck you" to their opponents.
Was it a massive character red flag when Marshawn Lynch refused to speak candidly to the media or when Cam Newton walked off the stage in his postgame presser because he didn't like a question?
If those things were big character concerns, they should be big concerns no matter who does them - but they aren't, only when it's Caleb Williams.
I didn't even realize at the start of this, either, that one of the two times he didn't speak to the media it was the entire team not just him.
It'd be super Bearsy to pass on one of the few chances they'll ever have to take a top QB prospect at the top of the draft because he skipped one media session, or because he bought a nice car with his NIL money. If they do that, they deserve the consequences.
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If Caleb Williams is in the 12th year of his first-ballot HOF career I won’t bring it up.
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If Caleb Williams is in the 12th year of his first-ballot HOF career I won’t bring it up.
So it's not a huge maturity/red flag for your franchise QB if he's a good QB, huh?
Who'da thunk it.
If only there was someone here saying exactly that, that that stuff doesn't matter at all if he's a great QB - you definitely wouldn't argue with that guy!
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So it's not a huge maturity/red flag for your franchise QB if he's a good QB, huh?
I don’t love it, but if they have their tickets stamped for the HOF, yeah, doesn’t matter as much.
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The Bears fairly recently took the first QB taken off the board (not quite at 1, but close), and we all know how that went.
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It'd be super Bearsy to pass on one of the few chances they'll ever have to take a top QB prospect at the top of the draft because he skipped one media session, or because he bought a nice car with his NIL money. If they do that, they deserve the consequences.
My previous comment was directed at the “super Bearsy” comment.
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I don’t guess anyone one of those reasons would be a “deciding factor.” It’s all “part of the painting.”
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You know what would be “super Bearsy?” Trading two 1sts and a huge portion of your cap space on a player when you don’t know what you have at QB and HC.
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My previous comment was directed at the “super Bearsy” comment.
There were plenty of reasons to pass on Trubisky.
Shit like what car he drove just weren't among them.
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You know what would be “super Bearsy?” Trading two 1sts and a huge portion of your cap space on a player when you don’t know what you have at QB and HC.
LOL, aren't you advocating right now to spend a high-first on a premium position where you aren't even going to play the guy (and are likely going to trade him for less than you'd get for the pick) in an ideal world?
The Khalil Mack/Trubisky era Bears were sure a hell of a lot better and more fun to watch than the Justin Fields era Bears have been this year - surely you at least can acknowledge that.
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There were plenty of reasons to pass on Trubisky.
Shit like what car he drove just weren't among them.
According to Pace what kind of car he drove was a REASON to draft him! CAMRY FOR THE WIN!
(https://i.postimg.cc/KvwK7FNk/IMG-5784.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8jdPD2xN)
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LOL, aren't you advocating right now to spend a high-first on a premium position where you aren't even going to play the guy (and are likely going to trade him for less than you'd get for the pick) in an ideal world?
The Khalil Mack/Trubisky era Bears were sure a hell of a lot better and more fun to watch than the Justin Fields era Bears have been this year - surely you at least can acknowledge that.
I’m saying it would be prudent. What id really do is try to trade down one or two spots and try to get MHJr
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The Bears fairly recently took the first QB taken off the board (not quite at 1, but close), and we all know how that went.
We got a guy who in his four years here had an 87.2 passer rating in 50 starts. Not good enough, so we moved on (correctly, IMO). His QBRs (which I believe takes things like rushing, sacks, penalties, fumbles into account) were:
32.4
71.0
41.5
53.8
The guy we moved on to has an 83.1 passer rating through 33 starts. His QBRs have been:
26.4
56.3
44.7
This is a guy you are arguing vehemently we shouldn't move on from. His production has been very similar to Trubisky's thus far. Personally I think DJ Moore is far and away the best WR either of them have played with, but Allen Robinson was a pretty good player too.
It's not like Fields has been notably better here than Trubisky was, right?
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I’m saying it would be prudent. What id really do is try to trade down one or two spots and try to get MHJr
It's seriously putting them in about the worst spot I can imagine regarding the quarterback situation. It's hilarious to me you think there'd be anything smart or forward-thinking about keeping a young QB in a make-or-break year where you'll have to pay him 9 figures to keep him, and ALSO spending the top pick on a QB. Think about it for one second and you should be able to see how terrible an idea that is.
If they pick a QB, they need to move on from Fields. If you run it back with Fields, you need to commit to trading that pick back and looking at a haul like MHJ and one of the top tackles.
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Trubisky didn’t preside over a complete tank job.
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Trubisky didn’t preside over a complete tank job.
If Fields had come out and surprised everyone this year with winning play, leading the Bears to the playoffs, I doubt people would be quite as adamant about moving on from him.
This year wasn't supposed to be a tank job. You talked all last year and offseason about the huge draft capital, all the cap space, the huge improvements we saw from Fields - just like you're doing right now about next season. It has turned into a tank job to some degree but it's because the team has been bad, including Fields.
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If teams keep blatantly tanking, there will be a draft lottery in the NFL. There should be one already.
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If Fields had come out and surprised everyone this year with winning play, leading the Bears to the playoffs, I doubt people would be quite as adamant about moving on from him.
This year wasn't supposed to be a tank job. You talked all last year and offseason about the huge draft capital, all the cap space, the huge improvements we saw from Fields - just like you're doing right now about next season. It has turned into a tank job to some degree but it's because the team has been bad, including Fields.
Injuries haven’t helped. Including Justin missing a month when he looked to be turning a corner.
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If teams keep blatantly tanking, there will be a draft lottery in the NFL. There should be one already.
Tanking is easy. Tanking for the first pick almost takes a perfect storm. Miami tried super hard to tank a few years ago and still drafted 5th I believe.
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Tempo, humor me on this for a few minutes. I want you to do a blind resume situation - you can guess who/what seasons these might be, but don't look them up. All of these guys have been drafted since 2017. A couple I assume you will recognize.
There's no right or wrong answers here, but rank these seasons from best to worst - I will acknowledge that one of them (only one though) is intentionally kind of a trick:
1. 67.2% completion, 3.2% TD rate, 1.1% INT rate, 200.3 YPG. 92.5 passer rating, 62.9 QBR, 8.5% sack percentage. 44.3 rushing yards per game, .437 rushing TD per game.
2. 62.8% completion, 5.3% TD rate, 1.6% INT rate, 222.7 YPG. 95.9 passer rating, 65.5 QBR, 5.1% sack percentage. 10.3 rushing yards per game, .0625 rushing TD per game.
3. 67.3% completion, 5.3% TD rate, 2.4% INT rate, 256.8 YPG. 98.0 passer rating, 70.5 QBR, 8.2% sack percentage. 27.5 rushing yards per game, .466 rushing TD per game.
4. 60.4% completion, 5.3% TD rate, 3.5% INT rate, 149.5 YPG. 85.2 passer rating, 56.3 QBR, 14.7% sack percentage. 76.2 rushing yards per game, .533 rushing TD per game.
5. 64.4% completion, 4.2% TD rate, 3.4% INT rate, 240.2 YPG. 87.0 passer rating, 50.7 QBR, 9.0% sack percentage. 63.9 rushing yards per game, .166 rushing TD per game.
6. 67% completion, 5.4% TD rate, 2.7% INT rate, 205.5 YPG. 93.5 passer rating, 53.8 QBR, 5.7% sack percentage. 19.5 rushing yards per game, .1 rushing TD per game.
7. 64.4% completion, 5.4% TD rate, 2.7% INT rate, 198.4 YPG. 92.3 passer rating, 44.7 QBR, 11.6% sack percentage. 50 rushing yards per game, .125 rushing TD per game.
8. 72.7% completion, 3.5% TD rate, 1.8% INT rate, 208.5 YPG. 96.9 passer rating, 51.1 QBR, 10.4% sack percentage. 52.25 rushing yards per game, 1 rushing TD per game.
9. 67.6% completion, 4.2% TD rate, 2.5% INT rate, 223.6 YPG. 92.5 passer rating, 50.9 QBR, 5.1% sack percentage. 7.6 rushing yards per game, 0 rushing TD.
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Injuries haven’t helped. Including Justin missing a month when he looked to be turning a corner.
He was terrible in the half he played in the Minnesota game where he got hurt. Terrible.
The entirety of the "turning a corner" narrative is based on a two game stretch against bad defenses - just like it was with Trubisky the last time we did this.
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Jesus that’s an encyclopedia of stats. I’ll look at them.
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He was terrible in the half he played in the Minnesota game where he got hurt. Terrible.
The entirety of the "turning a corner" narrative is based on a two game stretch against bad defenses - just like it was with Trubisky the last time we did this.
He had a bad half. If he finds a way to win that game (which was a close game when he went out) no one would really care.
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I’m supposed to rank all 9 of them? Jesus. This could take a while.
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Trying to look at all 9 of them which don’t even fit on my screen feels like I’m playing go fish.
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He had a bad half. If he finds a way to win that game (which was a close game when he went out) no one would really care.
The problem is that the bad halves far outnumber the good ones so far, and the "turning the corner" narrative only works if the corner stays turned - in the 2.5 games he's played since those two games he's getting 6.3 YPA and has an 85.7 passer rating - he's back to average or below since the Broncos and Commanders game. I've already pointed out that he has gotten 8 turnovers from his defense - 5 in the opponent's half - and turned them into 13 total points in that stretch. Like if he'd "turned the corner" and looked great since, I'd feel differently about it - but he was terrible before that 2-game stretch, and has been average at best since.
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Trying to look at all 9 of them which don’t even fit on my screen feels like I’m playing go fish.
Sorry, yeah - probably a bad way to set it up. Thought you might have fun with it though.
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I’m supposed to rank all 9 of them? Jesus. This could take a while.
I mean, you don't have to. I thought you might have fun with it, that kind of sports overthinking seems to be your thing no?
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If you'd rather me just tell you what's what I can do that.
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Most people have said the Detroit game was one of his best all around games. I know saying “take away the fumbles” is a big what if, but outside of that he was pretty good in a tough matchup on the road against a team that blitzes 30% more than league average. Lucas Patrick and Darnell Wright were atrocious. He led a game winning drive which is something everyone has been demanding they see. True, he wasn’t perfect. I don’t know what it was off the top of my head, but I’d bet his passer rating was ok.
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Tempo, humor me on this for a few minutes. I want you to do a blind resume situation - you can guess who/what seasons these might be, but don't look them up. All of these guys have been drafted since 2017. A couple I assume you will recognize.
There's no right or wrong answers here, but rank these seasons from best to worst - I will acknowledge that one of them (only one though) is intentionally kind of a trick:
1. 67.2% completion, 3.2% TD rate, 1.1% INT rate, 200.3 YPG. 92.5 passer rating, 62.9 QBR, 8.5% sack percentage. 44.3 rushing yards per game, .437 rushing TD per game.
2. 62.8% completion, 5.3% TD rate, 1.6% INT rate, 222.7 YPG. 95.9 passer rating, 65.5 QBR, 5.1% sack percentage. 10.3 rushing yards per game, .0625 rushing TD per game.
3. 67.3% completion, 5.3% TD rate, 2.4% INT rate, 256.8 YPG. 98.0 passer rating, 70.5 QBR, 8.2% sack percentage. 27.5 rushing yards per game, .466 rushing TD per game.
4. 60.4% completion, 5.3% TD rate, 3.5% INT rate, 149.5 YPG. 85.2 passer rating, 56.3 QBR, 14.7% sack percentage. 76.2 rushing yards per game, .533 rushing TD per game.
5. 64.4% completion, 4.2% TD rate, 3.4% INT rate, 240.2 YPG. 87.0 passer rating, 50.7 QBR, 9.0% sack percentage. 63.9 rushing yards per game, .166 rushing TD per game.
6. 67% completion, 5.4% TD rate, 2.7% INT rate, 205.5 YPG. 93.5 passer rating, 53.8 QBR, 5.7% sack percentage. 19.5 rushing yards per game, .1 rushing TD per game.
7. 64.4% completion, 5.4% TD rate, 2.7% INT rate, 198.4 YPG. 92.3 passer rating, 44.7 QBR, 11.6% sack percentage. 50 rushing yards per game, .125 rushing TD per game.
8. 72.7% completion, 3.5% TD rate, 1.8% INT rate, 208.5 YPG. 96.9 passer rating, 51.1 QBR, 10.4% sack percentage. 52.25 rushing yards per game, 1 rushing TD per game.
9. 67.6% completion, 4.2% TD rate, 2.5% INT rate, 223.6 YPG. 92.5 passer rating, 50.9 QBR, 5.1% sack percentage. 7.6 rushing yards per game, 0 rushing TD.
I don’t know, man that’s just too much info to process is that format. I guess 3 would be best? 1 and 8 follow that, if I’m even remembering correctly?
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6 pretty good. I don’t like to use data as the be all end all, especially when evaluating young quarterbacks. I’m sure Bryce Young would look pretty bad by stats. Does that mean he’ll suck year 5? Not at all.
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You usually don't get to fumble away two chances at a game winning drive and get a third try though, man. That isn't at all sustainable. And he's been CONSISTENTLY bad in those situations - I'm sure you've seen those stats, they're frankly kind of unbelievable how bad they are.
He was not very good last week. As a 'game winning drive', that is not something I'm ready to hang my hat on - he played a bad game, tried to fumble away twice in the last 5 minutes, and then found one of the best WRs in the league wide open in the last minute. He wasn't good.
The Lions game he was fine, he played well enough to deserve a win. But it wasn't anything particularly special either. The defense got him four turnovers and he turned them into 10 points. I don't expect him obviously to drive 75 yards in 30 seconds obviously, but they had two timeouts and he fumbled back through the end zone for a safety on the first play - that can't happen either, and that sort of thing happens too often. At least give us a fighting shot; far too often he does the opposite in clutch situations.
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You usually don't get to fumble away two chances at a game winning drive and get a third try though, man. That isn't at all sustainable. And he's been CONSISTENTLY bad in those situations - I'm sure you've seen those stats, they're frankly kind of unbelievable how bad they are.
He was not very good last week. As a 'game winning drive', that is not something I'm ready to hang my hat on - he played a bad game, tried to fumble away twice in the last 5 minutes, and then found one of the best WRs in the league wide open in the last minute. He wasn't good.
The Lions game he was fine, he played well enough to deserve a win. But it wasn't anything particularly special either. The defense got him four turnovers and he turned them into 10 points. I don't expect him obviously to drive 75 yards in 30 seconds obviously, but they had two timeouts and he fumbled back through the end zone for a safety on the first play - that can't happen either, and that sort of thing happens too often. At least give us a fighting shot; far too often he does the opposite in clutch situations.
True, but it happened. And he lead a game winning drive when they had to have it. I’m not looking for perfection. I’m looking for growth and ceiling.
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I don’t know, man that’s just too much info to process is that format. I guess 3 would be best? 1 and 8 follow that, if I’m even remembering correctly?
Sorry.
3 is 2019 DeShaun Watson. Pretty darn good year, I agree.
1 is 2022 Daniel Jones, the year that got them to sign him to that huge contract that everyone pretty uniformly already agrees is a nightmare.
8 is the trick - 8 is Taysom Hill in 2020 when he had to sub in for 4 games for Brees. I was pretty surprised at how solid his passing numbers were.
The list is:
1. Daniel Jones 2022
2. Baker Mayfield 2020
3. DeShaun Watson 2019
4. Justin Fields 2022
5. Lamar Jackson 2021 (his worst year by passer rating)
6. Mitchell Trubisky 2020, the year the Bears decided not to re-sign him
7. Justin Fields so far in 2023
8. Taysom Hill 2020, only started 4 games (everyone else on the list started a reasonable number of games)
9. Mac Jones 2021, his rookie year.
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True, he was consistently bad when EQ dropped a perfectly thrown ball on 4th down. And when Marsette fumbled trying to stay in bounds. And when Santos missed that EP which resulted in a one point loss at Detroit. Wash rinse repeat.
The Bears pass pro is also notoriously poor in obvious throwing situations.
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He was consistently bad when the defense gave up a quick FG to lose at Pittsburgh and the Bears scored late.
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Sorry.
3 is 2019 DeShaun Watson. Pretty darn good year, I agree.
1 is 2022 Daniel Jones, the year that got them to sign him to that huge contract that everyone pretty uniformly already agrees is a nightmare.
8 is the trick - 8 is Taysom Hill in 2020 when he had to sub in for 4 games for Brees. I was pretty surprised at how solid his passing numbers were.
The list is:
1. Daniel Jones 2022
2. Baker Mayfield 2020
3. DeShaun Watson 2019
4. Justin Fields 2022
5. Lamar Jackson 2021 (his worst year by passer rating)
6. Mitchell Trubisky 2020, the year the Bears decided not to re-sign him
7. Justin Fields so far in 2023
8. Taysom Hill 2020, only started 4 games (everyone else on the list started a reasonable number of games)
9. Mac Jones 2021, his rookie year.
I do appreciate the effort. It was just a lot of info to process in this format.
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And don’t hold me to my rankings. I was just processing what I could and going off memory.
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But 3 was probably best.
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True, but it happened. And he lead a game winning drive when they had to have it. I’m not looking for perfection. I’m looking for growth and ceiling.
Yes, it happened once. How many chances has he had? At least like, 8-10 so far in 34 starts right? Not sure how many exactly but it seems like he's had a lot, and far more often than not has turned the ball over. And even this time he needed three chances because he personally fumbled the first two away.
I would have to be damn near empty of substantive data supporting my opinion to try to point at that, if I were you. This is an example of why we need to move on, not why we should keep him. He was bad all game and fumbled the ball away on two consecutive possessions in the final 10 minutes - the first one was the only reason he needed to have a game winning drive in the first place. He was the beneficiary of four turnovers from the defense, two of which were inside the opponent's 40, and scored 3 points off them.
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I do appreciate the effort. It was just a lot of info to process in this format.
I think the point of the list was to point out how, removing the names from it, Fields' best stretch so far has been pretty comparable to seasons by a bunch of QBs who mostly I would not be excited to give $100,000,000 to. His best year as a passer so far is shockingly similar to - probably a little worse than - the year that ended with the Bears letting Trubisky walk. Fields obviously far more likely to get yards rushing, but also twice as likely to get sacked.
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Yes, it happened once. How many chances has he had? At least like, 8-10 so far in 34 starts right? Not sure how many exactly but it seems like he's had a lot, and far more often than not has turned the ball over. And even this time he needed three chances because he personally fumbled the first two away.
I would have to be damn near empty of substantive data supporting my opinion to try to point at that, if I were you. This is an example of why we need to move on, not why we should keep him. He was bad all game and fumbled the ball away on two consecutive possessions in the final 10 minutes - the first one was the only reason he needed to have a game winning drive in the first place. He was the beneficiary of four turnovers from the defense, two of which were inside the opponent's 40, and scored 3 points off them.
Again, he’s had some unfortunate “help” in many of those 4th quarter outcomes.
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Our line is still pretty shaky at best on obvious passing downs.
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Again, he’s had some unfortunate “help” in many of those 4th quarter outcomes.
Do you not see how you make an excuse for why literally every. single. time. Justin Fields plays poorly it wasn't his fault?
You've already decided that his first two years basically don't count - they were tanking. So any acknowledgement of poor play in his first 27 starts or whatever, those don't count. And now he's 'turned the corner', but he has a thumb injury so poor play now doesn't really count either - plus he got a game winning drive!
And this year, he had a WR drop a ball. Another one fumbled. The defense gave up points at the wrong time. There is ALWAYS, every single time, an excuse. Admittedly it reminds me a bit of how I used to debate during the end of the Weber era. Well, he had a big time recruit de-commit! It wasn't his fault Brian Carlwell crashed into that tree! He can't make the jumpshots! Always an excuse.
It's frustrating - is there ever a point where you acknowledge that the large majority of the data doesn't look super good for Justin Fields, and that he is largely accountable for that? That to make a case to keep him, you basically have to cherry pick two games in a career where he's started more than 30?
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Do you not see how you make an excuse for why literally every. single. time. Justin Fields plays poorly it wasn't his fault?
I never once said Justin is blameless. I said he’s had lots of help being bad.
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So in your opinion he’s only had 2 good games? You’re the harshest critic this side of PAMan.
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I don't think he's had very many stretches of being good enough to hold onto him, given the opportunity to draft another QB high.
I think he's had more than 2 good games, but he has not had very many stretches of consistently good play. There's a reason you point to those two games, obviously.
Here's his career game log: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FielJu00/gamelog/
There's more than two good games on the list, but there's a whole lot more bad games than good ones on it too. And there's simply never been a stretch where Fields was consistently good, through 34 starts. That's a bad sign. We've already done the "he's turned the corner" thing two separate times in his career, and he was bad this past weekend.
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I never once said Justin is blameless. I said he’s had lots of help being bad.
You have some excuse, 100% of the time, when someone criticizes Fields. There's always some reason you can't accurately evaluate him, because someone else was the reason he played bad.
Most QBs, especially guys picked in the top half of the first round, don't drop into some ideal situation. A lot of them still look better than Fields has so far. At some point, it's at least worth considering whether it's not some confluence of external factors conspiring to make Fields look bad when he's really good, but maybe it's just that Fields isn't good enough.
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I don't think he's had very many stretches of being good enough to hold onto him,
So I have heard.
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You have some excuse, 100% of the time, when someone criticizes Fields. There's always some reason you can't accurately evaluate him, because someone else was the reason he played bad.
Most QBs, especially guys picked in the top half of the first round, don't drop into some ideal situation. A lot of them still look better than Fields has so far. At some point, it's at least worth considering whether it's not some confluence of external factors conspiring to make Fields look bad when he's really good, but maybe it's just that Fields isn't good enough.
He’s been part of his problem. He also hasn’t had a lot of help. When did Tua all of a sudden become good? When he got Hill, Waddle, and McDaniel. They were regretting drafting him his first couple of years.
When did Allen make a jump? When he got Stephon Diggs. A top 5-7 WR.
When did Hurts make a jump? When he got AJ Brown and Devonta Smith.
Yes, Fields has had DJ, but he didn’t even have a healthy line (a line that couldn’t afford injuries) from the get-go this year. There were lots of moving parts. It’s only the last few weeks the team has gotten healthier and had a chance to play together. And guess what, it’s starting to look better.
Oh, and his OC is a bottom 5 OC in the league…
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So I have heard.
I mean, do you?
What's Fields' best, say, 6 game stretch as a pro? Is it good enough?
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No one wants to fault the supporting cast when the Bears literally had to play a Center who can’t snap the ball.
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He’s been part of his problem. He also hasn’t hasn’t had a lot of help. When did Tua all of a sudden become good? When he got Hill, Waddle, and McDaniel. They were regretting drafting him his first couple of years.
When did Allen make a jump? When he got Stephon Diggs. A top 5-7 WR.
When did Hurts make a jump? When he got AJ Brown and Devonta Smith.
Yes, Fields has had DJ, but he didn’t even have a healthy line (a line that couldn’t afford injuries) from the get-go this year. There were lots of moving parts. It’s only the last few weeks the team has gotten healthier and had a chance to play together. And guess what, it’s starting to look better.
Oh, and his OC is a bottom 5 OC in the league…
Hahahaha, what? You say "when did this other QB make the jump? when they got him a top WR" a couple times, and then when it gets to Fields you're like "SURE they got him a top WR, but he didn't even have a perfectly healthy line!"? Jesus man. Maybe these dudes are right about you - your devotion to Fields is really odd. If Josh Allen got Stefon Diggs and he still looked average or worse, I assume you'd be like - maybe he's just average? But he didn't, he got Diggs and his production and consistency took a huge jump and he was an MVP candidate. To state the obvious; if that had happened with Fields, we would not be having this conversation.
Fact is: the Bears front office went out last offseason and got Fields a top WR, spent a top-10 pick on an offensive lineman, and signed another veteran offensive lineman in free agency. They have invested in the offense but it's still mediocre - in large part because the quarterback struggles when he has to throw the ball.
The last few weeks have been mostly the same old Bears offense, you're hyping this "turn-around" up like it's something it's not - especially on offense.
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I mean, do you?
What's Fields' best, say, 6 game stretch as a pro? Is it good enough?
I’ve seen very high highs. And some definite lows. I’ve also seen steady improvement. Is he a complete quarterback yet? No. I still have faith he can and will get there.
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No one wants to fault the supporting cast when the Bears literally had to play a Center who can’t snap the ball.
The center deserves the blame for that.
And Justin Fields deserves the blame when he plays poorl.
You're using the first thing to excuse the second thing.
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Dude, their line was already marginal and they had to go an extended period without Braxton Jones, Tevin Jenkins, and Nate Davis. They literally played a Center who had the yips. And the OC isn’t in Mike McDaniel’s universe.
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Jalen Hurts has elite weapons and a great offensive line. And coaches that know how to use him.
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I’ve seen very high highs. And some definite lows. I’ve also seen steady improvement. Is he a complete quarterback yet? No. I still have faith he can and will get there.
So what's his best 6 game stretch?
Here's what I came up with:
Last year weeks 6-11:
62.14% completion. 160.5 YPG. 7.1% TD% (10 in 6 games), 2.8% INT% (4 in 6 games). 106.6 rushing yards and 1 rushing TD per game. 1.16 fumbles and 3.6 sacks per game.
That'd be good enough if the rushing yards are sustainable, which I suspect they aren't. Those fumble and sack numbers will kill you but the offense was at least scoring points in this stretch. This is probably it.
The next best stretch is probably the current stretch - ignoring the Minnesota half (even though I think that's silly, not sure how else to keep it to 6 full games) his current 6 game run looks like this:
64.5% completion. 218.8 YPG. 6.2% TD rate (11 in 6 games), 2.8% INT rate (5 in 6 games). 68.2 rushing yards and 0.16 rushing TD per game. 1 fumble and 3.5 sacks per game.
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Your former “best player on the line” starting Center literally got benched because he can’t snap the ball.
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Ask any offensive lineman. It takes time and experience together to build cohesiveness. I’ll bet the Bears’ actual 5 starters haven’t played more than 3-4 games together. I know I’m just a “meatball,” but shit like that matters. I’ll bet Buffalo and Philly don’t have the same struggles.
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I know Rome wasn’t built in a day, but you guys act like it was in 48 hours.
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Darnell Mooney isn’t a sufficient #2 and I bet the Bears will echo that sentiment when they almost certainly let him walk. Unless he signs a very friendly deal.
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I know Rome wasn’t built in a day, but you guys act like it was in 48 hours.
Justin Fields has been here for two and a half years. He's started 34 NFL games.
It's not like a full-career sample size, but you act like it's unreasonable to expect a guy with that level of experience to be better than he is. He's played quite a bit of NFL football, and quite a bit more bad than good so far.
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Justin Fields has been here for two and a half years. He's started 34 NFL games.
It's not like a full-career sample size, but you act like it's unreasonable to expect a guy with that level of experience to be better than he is. He's played quite a bit of NFL football, and quite a bit more bad than good so far.
And last year literally had a barely better than practice squad roster. This year his team and he have had significant injuries to deal with. NFL football is hard when you have a decent team and good health. It’s even harder when you’re the Bears.
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Dante Pettis who at times was a go to guy last year is currently unemployed. Byron Pringle probably has as many traffic citations as touchdowns for whoever he’s playing for now. EQ can’t distinguish himself on a team that needs help.
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Check that, he’s got more traffic citations than touchdowns. I thought he scored one this year. My mistake.
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Did everyone just hear what Collinsworth just said about “first, second, and third year players?” What do the Bears have alot of?
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Who remembers Bears 2021 draftee Dazz Newsome? Lol
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And last year literally had a barely better than practice squad roster. This year his team and he have had significant injuries to deal with. NFL football is hard when you have a decent team and good health. It’s even harder when you’re the Bears.
Yes, we know - you can't count any games Fields played in his first two seasons, or any games with Getsy calling plays, or any games where his receiver dropped a pass in a clutch situation, or any games with key players hurt, or any games with an offensive line that hasn't played more than 4 games together, etc.
Seems like Fields has played very few games so far that count.
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I can count them. I’ve just decided that I would like to see more.
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Who remembers the great Chase Claypool? He’s got more inactives by coaches decision than catches with the Dolphins.
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Yes, we know - you can't count any games Fields played in his first two seasons, or any games with Getsy calling plays, or any games where his receiver dropped a pass in a clutch situation, or any games with key players hurt, or any games with an offensive line that hasn't played more than 4 games together, etc.
Seems like Fields has played very few games so far that count.
And yet Bagent was never afforded those Tempo excuses.
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And yet Bagent was never afforded those Tempo excuses.
Lol
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Off-topic; is Bill Belichick still an expert on football?
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Spark, just a simple question. What grade 1-10 would you give Getsy as OC? No additional comment. Just a number.
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And yet Bagent was never afforded those Tempo excuses.
I’ve said multiple times Bagent was good during his run. He did everything you could expect of a UDFA rookie and more. Also, if he ever gets 32 starts (as a QB1, not fill in) with any NFL team, I will give you a reacharound and post the video to HQ2.
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I can count them. I’ve just decided that I would like to see more.
That's the same thing that's been said since last Oct, and not Oct 2023.
That "more" just hasn't been seen.
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How do you not have your own national show? You should be ESPN’s lead analyst.
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Spark, just a simple question. What grade 1-10 would you give Getsy as OC? No additional comment. Just a number.
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The fact that you’re still trying to tie me to the notion that Getsy has been good tells me you haven’t really been listening. I haven’t minced words or anything. I don’t think Getsy being bad excuses Fields also being bad.
What grade would you give Justin Fields as a QB thusfar in his career?
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I’m not trying to “tie” you to anything. I just wanted your honest opinion.
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The fact that you’re still trying to tie me to the notion that Getsy has been good tells me you haven’t really been listening. I haven’t minced words or anything. I don’t think Getsy being bad excuses Fields also being bad.
What grade would you give Justin Fields as a QB thusfar in his career?
4, so better than Getsy. 6 if the rushing counts.
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And that’s with everything else around him being an average of 2.5.
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I’ve seen flashes of 8, 9, and 10. And while I’ve obviously seen more of Fields than other young QBs I haven’t seen such flashes from guys like Zach Wilson, Kenny Pickett, and Mac Jones.
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You're on a roll. Did you sleep well ?
Everything is 2.5-4 which is enough to get a qb into the top 100 for 2022 or 2023 or whatever you want to go with.
Maybe stay away from the psychedelics before game time.
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Do you watch any of the All22 analysts such as O’Sullivan and Chase Daniel? They constantly rave about Justin’s ability to make something from nothing. And yes, that are critical of him as well. O’Sullivan is constantly clowning the play design, calls and scheme. I’d get 6 free months if I got a dollar for every time he said something like (this isn’t a play in football, this is the kind of shit that gets you fired, you can’t play quarterback like this (meaning the chaos around him).
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You're on a roll. Did you sleep well ?
Everything is 2.5-4 which is enough to get a qb into the top 100 for 2022 or 2023 or whatever you want to go with.
Maybe stay away from the psychedelics before game time.
Take it up with the NFL players that voted for him.
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Most quarterbacks outside the top 10 in football would be a 2 putting up with what Justin puts up with.
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This is a landing spot I’d most definitely welcome if Fields is jettisoned.
https://heavy.com/sports/pittsburgh-steelers/justin-fields-nfl-rumors-kenny-pickett/amp/
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That stuff does seem to feed your obsession.
Mid-season 2021, by this time next year.
Mid-season 2022, by this time next year.
Mid-season 2023, by this time next year ...
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It’s pretty hilarious that 99.5% of your posts are pure gibberish and yet about once every three weeks you post an absolute gem. It’s a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.
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I’ve seen flashes of 8, 9, and 10. And while I’ve obviously seen more of Fields than other young QBs I haven’t seen such flashes from guys like Zach Wilson, Kenny Pickett, and Mac Jones.
You avoided the question to talk about flashes.
Getsy’s had flashes of competence too, right? Gameplans in those Denver and Washington games looked a lot better.
But I asked what your grade was for Fields so far in his career - so 1-10, what would your grade be?
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I’d like more than “flashes of competence” from my OC.
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But I asked what your grade was for Fields so far in his career - so 1-10, what would your grade be?
I told you already.
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My bad Tempo, I should know by now not to just look at the more recent post :)
4 I think is fair. It’s not particularly good though.
Mac Jones rookie year he had an identical passer rating to Fields right now. He was a pro bowler that year - he’s shown some flashes, but then he wasn’t good enough so he was benched.
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I’d like more than “flashes of competence” from my OC.
And I’d like more than flashes of competence from my quarterback, but here we are. One of those guys you’re defending and saying we need to bring back, and the other you’re ready to cut loose yesterday. They have both been bad.
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I think Getsy’s send of rhythm when it comes to play-calling is horrific. He’ll get a 29 yard pass play then call four in a row up the gut. His game plans usually suck and vary too wildly. One week Justin is a drop back passer. The next he’s a screen passer. The next he’s a bootlegger. The next he’s a wingback.
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And I’d like more than flashes of competence from my quarterback, but here we are. One of those guys you’re defending and saying we need to bring back, and the other you’re ready to cut loose yesterday. They have both been bad.
99% of young QBs are going to have ups and downs. It’s up to a competent coach to minimize those ups and downs. Getsy has shown himself unable to consistently put Justin in favorable environments.
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Coaching is easier than playing quarterback. It just is. Playing NFL quarterback is one of the hardest jobs in the world. There are like 20 in the world who are competent at it. There are more than 20 competent offensive coaches in football.
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Watch TheQBSchool All22s
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99% of young QBs are going to have ups and downs. It’s up to a competent coach to minimize those ups and downs. Getsy has shown himself unable to consistently put Justin in favorable environments.
And Fields has shown himself unable to consistently produce. But again, you treat one of those things considerably differently than the other.
It’s definitely hard to be a good QB with a bad OC, I can’t deny that. It’s also hard to be a good OC with a bad QB who you can’t trust to throw the ball.
Both things can be and are true.
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Coaching is easier than playing quarterback. It just is. Playing NFL quarterback is one of the hardest jobs in the world. There are like 20 in the world who are competent at it. There are more than 20 competent offensive coaches in football.
I’m right. I just am.
Ignore your lying eyes.
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And Fields has shown himself unable to consistently produce. But again, you treat one of those things considerably differently than the other.
It’s definitely hard to be a good QB with a bad OC, I can’t deny that. It’s also hard to be a good OC with a bad QB who you can’t trust to throw the ball.
Both things can be and are true.
There isn’t a single person who thinks Getsy is good at his job. Not even ThePAMan. Fields still has backers. And not just meatballs on Twitter.
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I’m right. I just am.
Ignore your lying eyes.
It’s unbelievable how much you sound like ThePAMan. Amazing.
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You and the PAMan (and a couple others here) are the only ones who don’t think Fields has shown improvement lately. Even Troy Aikman said he’s changed his mind and says he’d bring Fields back for another year. But I guess he’s just another Fields meatball. And doesn’t know anything about quarterback play.
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There isn’t a single person who thinks Getsy is good at his job. Not even ThePAMan. Fields still has backers. And not just meatballs on Twitter.
This is the worst possible metric.
Mitch Trubisky still had backers too. Having fans online want to keep you and being a consistently productive player are two very different criteria. I’m mostly interested in the second one.
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You and the PAMan (and a couple others here) are the only ones who don’t think Fields has shown improvement lately. Even Troy Aikman said he’s changed his mind and says he’d bring Fields back for another year. But I guess he’s just another Fields meatball. And doesn’t know anything about quarterback play.
If I said, “you’re the only one who thinks Fields is an elite NFL quarterback”, how would you respond?
You said that exactly as much as I said Fields hasn’t improved lately. He has had some better games lately. They have still been inconsistent and he’s had some terrible games lately too. His highs are decent QB play and his lows are he shouldn’t even be out there. The lows are still too frequent, and the highs are still too rare.
I haven’t said he has never improved, in fact you’ve simply ignored the multiple times I’ve explicitly said the opposite to beat up this strawman (as usual - no one just makes up what I said and argues against it better than you do)
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I gotta say, the idea of having all these exact same conversations for another entire season is incredibly disheartening.
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It’s pretty hilarious that 99.5% of your posts are pure gibberish and yet about once every three weeks you post an absolute gem. It’s a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.
Were/are these your positions ?
Mid-season 2021, by this time next year.
Mid-season 2022, by this time next year.
Mid-season 2023, by this time next year ...
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You and the PAMan (and a couple others here) are the only ones who don’t think Fields has shown improvement lately. Even Troy Aikman said he’s changed his mind and says he’d bring Fields back for another year. But I guess he’s just another Fields meatball. And doesn’t know anything about quarterback play.
Hey, if Aikman said it who are we to argue right?
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/troy-aikman-thinks-mitch-trubisky-is-evolving-into-franchise-qb/
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A coordinator is expected to be competent from day one. Unlike 1st round draft choices, he doesn’t get 3-4 years to grow into the role.
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This is the worst possible metric.
Mitch Trubisky still had backers too. Having fans online want to keep you and being a consistently productive player are two very different criteria. I’m mostly interested in the second one.
I’m talking about analysts and former players. Not Twitter mobs.
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I’m talking about analysts and former players. Not Twitter mobs.
Guys like Troy Aikman I suppose.
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Hey, if Aikman said it who are we to argue right?
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/troy-aikman-thinks-mitch-trubisky-is-evolving-into-franchise-qb/
I’d say his opinion is just as fucking valid as yours. You also pimped Trubisky at one time.
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A coordinator is expected to be competent from day one. Unlike 1st round draft choices, he doesn’t get 3-4 years to grow into the role.
Yes, even halfway through year 3 a top-15 draft pick QB has no expectation of consistent competence
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I’d say his opinion is just as fucking valid as yours. You also pimped Trubisky at one time.
Whoops, kinda stepped on a rake there didn’t you bud
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Yes, even halfway through year 3 a top-15 draft pick QB has no expectation of consistent competence
I swear to God you have morphed into the PAMan. It is really tough to be consistently competent when almost no one else around you is. He’s had one plus receiver and a couple decent RBs. He’s had an injured offensive line that is still young and fairly inexperienced. The starting unit has probably played together 3-4 times max. The Bears have failed Justin Fields at almost every turn. And yet is still out there working hard and improving (whether YOU see it or not).
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Whoops, kinda stepped on a rake there didn’t you bud
I guess you’re going to have to explain it to me.
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Do yourself a favor and watch some of the All22.
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I swear to God you have morphed into the PAMan. It is really tough to be consistently competent when almost no one else around you is. He’s had one plus receiver and a couple decent RBs. He’s had an injured offensive line that is still young and fairly inexperienced. The starting unit has probably played together 3-4 times max. The Bears have failed Justin Fields at almost every turn. And yet is still out there working hard and improving (whether YOU see it or not).
Yes we know it isn’t his fault. Very rarely is something his fault, ever. He didn’t MAKE Brian Carlwell crash into the tree.
I agree, he’s working hard. Have never questioned his work ethic or leadership. I want the Bears to move on because he hasnt produced consistently enough, not because he doesn’t work hard.
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I guess you’re going to have to explain it to me.
You think you know more about QB play than Troy Aikman?
He said Mitch Trubisky was becoming a franchise QB - hell, look at that short stretch where he turned it around! - who are we to argue?
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Yes we know it isn’t his fault. Very rarely is something his fault, ever. He didn’t MAKE Brian Carlwell crash into the tree.
I agree, he’s working hard. Have never questioned his work ethic or leadership. I want the Bears to move on because he hasnt produced consistently enough, not because he doesn’t work hard.
I have never once tried to absolve Fields from all blame. He needs to be better in multiple areas, And I’ve said that a bunch of times. But keep narrating, PAManJr
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You think you know more about QB play than Troy Aikman?
He said Mitch Trubisky was becoming a franchise QB - hell, look at that short stretch where he turned it around! - who are we to argue?
So you’re saying you, he, we have “opinions,” and no one is necessarily “right?”
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2018 NFL COY (remember that Spark?) is the only guy that can slow down Patrick Mahomes. Fields was lucky to have him as his rookie coach. The Cleveland game was a great introduction to the league. Kudos, Matt Nagy, offensive genius.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8CnG3kxG/IMG-5790.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gwR1LpYt)
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I have never once tried to absolve Fields from all blame. He needs to be better in multiple areas, And I’ve said that a bunch of times. But keep narrating, PAManJr
I can’t remember a single time when someone said “Fields played poorly” and you said “yep.”
100% of time someone has mentioned a criticism of Fields you reflexively excuse it by criticizing the Playcalling or the OL or the WR or the HC or quite literally anyone else.
Maybe you aren’t intentionally “trying” to absolve him of blame for his play thusfar - but when 100% of criticisms of him are deflected with a criticism of some external factor there’s not really another conclusion to make.
If every time you criticized Getsy I said “well his QB can’t throw and his OL is bad and had some injuries and the WR dropped a pass and and and” you would be absolutely hammering me right now for trying to deflect blame from Getsy.
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So you once liked Trubisky. Aikman once liked Trubisky. You are a reliable opinion on quarterbacking, but he is not? Am I misunderstanding your point?
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2018 NFL COY (remember that Spark?) is the only guy that can slow down Patrick Mahomes. Fields was lucky to have him as his rookie coach. The Cleveland game was a great introduction to the league. Kudos, Matt Nagy, offensive genius.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8CnG3kxG/IMG-5790.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gwR1LpYt)
Desperately flailing now.
Can’t believe you think you know more about playing QB than Troy Aikman
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So you once liked Trubisky. Aikman once liked Trubisky. You are a reliable opinion on quarterbacking, but he is not? Am I misunderstanding your point?
You tried to use Troy Aikman as some unimpeachable authority on QB play - even accused me of thinking he knew nothing about it when I disagreed with his assessment.
Turns out, he has said exactly the same thing about a guy in a very similar situation and ended up wrong. So maybe just hand waving anyone who disagrees with him on the grounds that he knows more about QB play than they do is stupid?
He knows more about QB play than you do too, but he was still wrong when he used a short stretch of improved play to say that about Trubisky.
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I can’t remember a single time when someone said “Fields played poorly” and you said “yep.”
I’ve admitted multiple times when Fields has played poorly. But I’ve also probably never seen a game where he was clearly the main problem. He’s had bad games. So, there.
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So you’re saying you, he, we have “opinions,” and no one is necessarily “right?”
That certainly wasn’t what you said originally when you brought him up. You were trying to dunk on me because a great former QB said he’d keep Fields.
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I never said he was “unimpeachable,” I’m just saying credible voices out there differ from you. You aren’t the ultimate authority on quarterback play.
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And neither is he, and neither am I. It’s entirely plausible Fields never gets much better. And is just a middling QB.
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That certainly wasn’t what you said originally when you brought him up. You were trying to dunk on me because a great former QB said he’d keep Fields.
No, I was trying to dunk on you because you apparently think only your opinion is valid. No shortage of credible voices disagree.
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I never said he was “unimpeachable,” I’m just saying credible voices out there differ from you. You aren’t the ultimate authority on quarterback play.
Nor have I ever claimed to be. But you posted that Aikman quote to make it seem like he was, when in fact he has been wrong in an extremely similar situation very recently.
I’m stating my opinion, and supporting that opinion with evidence. I think the evidence I have provided regarding his actual production is more compelling than the evidence and deflections you’ve brought to the conversation, obviously.
Just like the Weber stuff, at some point the accountability for HIS production needs to be on HIM, whether he can make a jump shot for Chester Frazier or not. I have seen enough of Fields to think he is at the point where he needs to be held accountable, even if Getsy isn’t good and the roster isn’t perfect around him.
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No, I was trying to dunk on you because you apparently think only your opinion is valid. No shortage of credible voices disagree.
You simply don’t read what I post, and obviously at this point never will.
I don’t think your opinion is invalid. I think it’s based mostly on hypothetical and wishful thinking, but that isn’t invalid either.
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14 year NFL quarterback Chase Daniel should sit down and STFU and listen to Spark, because only Spark has valid opinions on quarterback play.
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Hilarious. The people saying keep Fields just want to keep the Bears down. Or are completely delusional and can't admit to being wrong.
Trubisky is a great comp to Fields, Spark. Well done.
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Chase Daniels has been and remains a clown. GMAFB.
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14 year NFL quarterback Chase Daniel should sit down and STFU and listen to Spark, because only Spark has valid opinions on quarterback play.
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When you start blatantly lying about me I remember why I stopped coming here.
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When you start blatantly lying about me I remember why I stopped coming here.
He's a lying liar who lies.
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You simply don’t read what I post, and obviously at this point never will.
I don’t think your opinion is invalid. I think it’s based mostly on hypothetical and wishful thinking, but that isn’t invalid either.
Dude, I get the criticisms of Justin Fields. A lot of it is valid. I’m merely saying I wouldn’t give up on him yet. He has not had a good supporting cast for any length of time whatsoever. And that includes coaches and GMs that have been failing him. Don’t realize how bad the Bears have sucked the last 4-5 years? Especially offensively? They have been totally bereft of talent.
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When you start blatantly lying about me I remember why I stopped coming here.
What am I getting wrong? You are on the no excuses tour with the PAMan. What am I lying about? I have said that Fields has flaws. I have said he needs to get better. All you have said is “I’ve seen enough, time to move on.”
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You totally ignore things like the Bears started a guy at center who can’t even snap the ball. The level of incompetence around Fields has been staggering.
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Dude, I get the criticisms of Justin Fields. A lot of it is valid. I’m merely saying I wouldn’t give up on him yet. He has not had a good supporting cast for any length of time whatsoever. And that includes coaches and GMs that have been failing him. Don’t realize how bad the Bears have sucked the last 4-5 years? Especially offensively? They have been totally bereft of talent.
They spent a ton of resources to improve the offense but he has still been inconsistent and flat out bad at times. If that wasn’t true we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
But as with everything else, there’s an excuse for that too.
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I get why you feel the way you do. Moving on is justifiable. I wouldn’t do it, but it’s justifiable. Can you say keeping him his justifiable?
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What am I getting wrong? You are on the no excuses tour with the PAMan. What am I lying about? I have said that Fields has flaws. I have said he needs to get better. All you have said is “I’ve seen enough, time to move on.”
You’ve said a bunch of times that I think only my opinion is valid.
It’s inflammatory and a blatant lie. That sort of thing is why I stopped coming - it’s frustrating enough to argue with you, when you start making up bullshit about others you are completely insufferable.
You have done it to me for years on various topics - obviously Trubisky’s stretch was one of them. And you keep doing it no matter how many times I point out you’re lying.
You obviously hate it when people lie about you (Romar, etc.) but are among the first to just make some unreasonable shit up and attribute it to me.
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They spent a ton of resources to improve the offense but he has still been inconsistent and flat out bad at times. If that wasn’t true we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
But as with everything else, there’s an excuse for that too.
What part of 3 offensive lineman missing multiple weeks did you not notice? Other than DJ Moore what vast additions have they given him?
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Did you that we have two centers who can’t block and one who can’t even snap effectively?
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I get why you feel the way you do. Moving on is justifiable. I wouldn’t do it, but it’s justifiable. Can you say keeping him his justifiable?
I couldn’t personally justify it were I in that position, no. I’m not in that position though. It doesn’t matter if I think keeping him is justifiable one bit.
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What part of 3 offensive lineman missing multiple weeks did you not notice? Other than DJ Moore what vast additions have they given him?
That have actually been on the field consistently. Chase Claypool?
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Did you that we have two centers who can’t block and one who can’t even snap effectively?
Yes for the 1000th time we know. There are other problems on this team.
Of course there are problems on every team. No QB is in a perfect situation with a perfectly healthy line that’s played together a lot of games and top WRs. Most of them don’t get to use it as an excuse for their own play, though.
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Chase Daniels has been and remains a clown. GMAFB.
So on brand for ThePAMan. Everyone who has an opinion he disagrees with is a clown and not credible. Which means almost everyone.
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You’ve said a bunch of times that I think only my opinion is valid.
It’s inflammatory and a blatant lie. That sort of thing is why I stopped coming - it’s frustrating enough to argue with you, when you start making up bullshit about others you are completely insufferable.
You have done it to me for years on various topics - obviously Trubisky’s stretch was one of them. And you keep doing it no matter how many times I point out you’re lying.
You obviously hate it when people lie about you (Romar, etc.) but are among the first to just make some unreasonable shit up and attribute it to me.
This is the fucking post of the year, and it isn't close.
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“Other than trading for a top WR, spending on the OL in FA and picking another OL with a top-10 pick, what ELSE have they done to improve the offense?”
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Yes for the 1000th time we know. There are other problems on this team.
Of course there are problems on every team. No QB is in a perfect situation with a perfectly healthy line that’s played together a lot of games and top WRs. Most of them don’t get to use it as an excuse for their own play, though.
Look at the better quarterbacks in the league. Most of them are in excellent to very good situations.
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Deebo Samuel was out 3 weeks and all of sudden people started worrying about Brock Purdy. Deebo comes back, he’s awesome again.
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All Pro LT, All World RB, Deebo, Aiyuk. Top 3 TE. Kyle Shanahan. Life is tough as the SF quarterback.
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All Pro LT, All World RB, Deebo, Aiyuk. Top 3 TE. Kyle Shanahan. Life is tough as the SF quarterback.
Trey Lance had all of that, and he crashed and burned.
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“Other than trading for a top WR, spending on the OL in FA and picking another OL with a top-10 pick, what ELSE have they done to improve the offense?”
A terrific receiver - check. New lineman - how much are they really helping when they are out 5 weeks a piece? A rookie RT whose play has noticeably declined since early in the season (look at his declining PFF grades). Awesome. Why isnt Justin All-Pro yet?
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CJ Stroud, Sam Howell, Jared Goff, Geno Smith, Trevor Lawrence, Stafford, Russell Wilson - a lot of QBs have been more consistent than Fields this year without a perfect situation.
If you needed to win a game tomorrow and had the choice to start Fields or Gardner Minshew, who would you start? Probably no wrong answer there, but it’s pretty close IMO.
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Watch O’Sullivan’s All22 from Minnesota and tell me Darnell Wright played well. He and Patrick were awful. Wright is a guy with a good future but his ROOKIE year has been somewhat up and down. Multiple times he’s taken the outside man and let a DE just run free inside. His PFF grades the last month have not been very good.
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A terrific receiver - check. New lineman - how much are they really helping when they are out 5 weeks a piece? A rookie RT whose play has noticeably declined since early in the season (look at his declining PFF grades). Awesome. Why isnt Justin All-Pro yet?
Are PFF grades valid evidence? They definitely don’t show the absolute nightmare OL you have been portraying. I think they’re probably pretty flawed metrics which is why I didn’t bring them up before, but PFF indicated they were pretty good last week and you said they sucked.
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Jared Goff and Geno Smith don’t have noticeably better situations? What kind of crack are you smoking? They are also highly experienced veterans.
Sam Howell? In the last 3 games he has 1 TD and 5 Ints and like a 65 passer rating. WTF? He also has better weapons. McLaurin is an elite talent. Samuel, Dotson, and Thomas are all talented.
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Russell Wilson? Probable HOFer with HOF coach in his corner? That Russell Wilson? The Russell Wilson with premium draft capital invested in his skill players?
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Alright I’m done.
Obviously only Tempo’s opinion is valid here. He says Fields will be the next Brady, and the only reason he hasn’t been so far is because of everyone else.
See how frustrating that shit is?
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Russell Wilson? Probable HOFer with HOF coach in his corner? That Russell Wilson? The Russell Wilson with premium draft capital invested in his skill players?
The Bears traded the first overall pick for a top WR for Fields less than a year ago.
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Alright I’m done.
Obviously only Tempo’s opinion is valid here. He says Fields will be the next Brady, and the only reason he hasn’t been so far is because of everyone else.
See how frustrating that shit is?
Dude, you cited Sam Howell who’s had 1 TD to 5 Ints the last three weeks, despite throwing the fuck out of it to talented players as a noticeably better performer than Justin Fields. Cmon.
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I’d be curious to see what Fields could do throwing it 48 times a game (cue the PAMan “he doesn’t throw the ball” post).
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Dude, you cited Sam Howell who’s had 1 TD to 5 Ints the last three weeks, despite throwing the fuck out of it to talented players as a noticeably better performer than Justin Fields. Cmon.
I’ll admit, being out of fantasy I pay less attention to the rest of the league than I used to - I knew Howell had been killing it, hadn’t noticed that he’d fallen off the last few weeks. My bad.
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I’d be curious to see what Fields could do throwing it 48 times a game (cue the PAMan “he doesn’t throw the ball” post).
You’ve gotta admit, the sack numbers would be almost definitely staggering.
I think he would be considerably less efficient if he threw the ball that much, which is kind of the problem in a nutshell. He’s a QB, but you can’t really trust him to move the ball with his arm consistently.
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I am being as sincere as I possibly can. I am AGAIN saying I get why you feel the way you do, and that moving on from Fields is justifiable. What I am saying is I think he will get better as his situation continues to improve. I would not move on yet. That is my OPINION. I could be wrong. But I don’t think pointing at upgrades on the line (when those upgrades have probably missed a combined 15-16 games) is valid talking point. I expect Wright to be a stud, but he’s not all the way there yet.
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I am being as sincere as I possibly can. I am AGAIN saying I get why you feel the way you do, and that moving on from Fields is justifiable. What I am saying is I think he will get better as his situation continues to improve. I would not move on yet. That is my OPINION. I could be wrong. But I don’t think pointing at upgrades on the line (when those upgrades have probably missed a combined 15-16 games) is valid talking point. I expect Wright to be a stud, but he’s not all the way there yet.
That’s fine. I don’t think the line has been nearly as bad as you have consistently claimed - I think a lot of that is coming from you looking for a way to excuse Fields.
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This looks pretty updated.
Jenkins has played 65% of snaps this year. Jones 49%. Davis 45%. Not enough.
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Not to mention 61% for Fields.
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And to repeat something I’ve said a few times:
The worst case scenario here is we’re still arguing whether Fields is good enough a year from now. There can be zero excuses at that point.
If that happens we will regret not taking a shot at a top QB. The top QB may not work out, of course, but it would be a mistake not to strike while that iron’s hot, especially for the sake of a guy who hasn’t shown enough consistency and is going to cost $100m+.
You’ve said to keep him AND pick a QB - if they do that I might be done. That would be criminal mismanagement of resources.
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You can find a quarterback in other places besides #1 overall. Those guys bust as much as the next guy. Lamar, Jalen, Russell, Purdy, Cousins, Rodgers, Dak. Most of the league had a chance at all of those guys minus Rodgers. But still like 20 something teams passed on him. Mahomes was the 3rd QB taken in his draft.
Look at how Philly and San Fran (probably the two best rosters in the league) did it. They built the roster, then found the QB. It can be done in reverse. Trade that #1 pick for a haul IMO. If you trade it to a team in the top 3-5 you could find yourself picking first 3 years in a row.
If you are absolutely sold on a guy at the top. Pick him. Don’t pick him because you think you have to move on from Fields.
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And to repeat something I’ve said a few times:
The worst case scenario here is we’re still arguing whether Fields is good enough a year from now. There can be zero excuses at that point.
If that happens we will regret not taking a shot at a top QB. The top QB may not work out, of course, but it would be a mistake not to strike while that iron’s hot, especially for the sake of a guy who hasn’t shown enough consistency and is going to cost $100m+.
You’ve said to keep him AND pick a QB - if they do that I might be done. That would be criminal mismanagement of resources.
I don’t see how. If Fields busts you dump him at the deadline and now Willliams or Maye is your starter and he’s had half a season to settle in. If Fields is great, you can easily trade the understudy for a nice return. He’ll still be a rookie.
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Again, not saying I’d do it that way. But you could.
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That’s fine. I don’t think the line has been nearly as bad as you have consistently claimed - I think a lot of that is coming from you looking for a way to excuse Fields.
Watch the All22.
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Trey Lance had all of that, and he crashed and burned.
Now "Justin Lance" is in Dallas, but Tempo says "What if Fields was playing for the 49ers?" Well, they did that already and shipped his ass out of town.
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If they draft a QB in the 1st and keep Fields, Fields will act like a little bitch to get traded. It will be far worse than the whiny "they are throwing too much at me" BS we saw earlier this year. Just watch.
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I don’t see how. If Fields busts you dump him at the deadline and now Willliams or Maye is your starter and he’s had half a season to settle in. If Fields is great, you can easily trade the understudy for a nice return. He’ll still be a rookie.
If Fields bust you dump him at the deadline for considerably less than you can get for him right now, which already is likely not a TON.
If Fields is great, you can trade Williams or Maye for considerably less than you can get for the first overall pick right now.
You lose value either way, and for no real return.
It's like the worst of all worlds type move.
I think it’s worth asking though - what do you do if he neither busts nor is great? If he’s terrible then the decisions easy, but what if he’s just average like he has been? That’s the scary thing - it’s not hard to foresee a really similar season next year and people still arguing to keep Fields based on some unrealized potential. That would be an incredibly dangerous move though - if Fields comes back next year he needs to produce no matter if the OL or OC or WR corps is perfect. There can’t continue to be excuses in year 4 with 9 figures and the team’s cap flexibility on the line. I’m obviously a bit appalled that there are still so many excuses in year 3 after spending all last year and off-season hyping this year’s team up.
If they keep Fields, so be it. They need to maximize the return and roster help out of those two top-5/10 picks. They cannot justify spending one of them on a QB. If they move on from Fields, they need to take a shot at one of the top QBs. They can't justify moving on from Fields and then not taking the shot at one of those top guys.
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GM, HC and OC decisions will be made before the draft. Draft day decisions will come after, and $100 million for Fields next contract will be part of those decisions.
Warren, Poles, Flus and Getsy all came in after Fields. Whomever is in the GM, HC and OC positions will have input. Moving on from Fields will undoubtedly be a front and center discussion.
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GM, HC and OC decisions will be made before the draft. Draft day decisions will come after, and $100 million for Fields next contract will be part of those decisions.
Warren, Poles, Flus and Getsy all came in after Fields. Whomever is in the GM, HC and OC positions will have input. Moving on from Fields will undoubtedly be a front and center discussion.
If it has not been decided already and this is all showcasing to try and trade him.
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If it has not been decided already and this is all showcasing to try and trade him.
If they want to showcase Just Fields, they may as well run him 16 times a game rather than showcase his pocket abilities.
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Thought it was pretty interesting reading all Tempo's posts in this thread from the offseason, still on the front page: https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,821.0.html
In that thread he posted "data analysis" showing the Bears were the most improved team. He posted a video about how the Bears are 'building up for Justin Fields to prove he's the guy'. He posted a quote from EQ St. Brown about the Bears going worst to first. He posted about how the Bears were picked to finish second in the NFC North. He posted a video about how the Bears are "doing everything right" and had a "near perfect offseason building around Justin Fields". He posted a poll showing 91% of Bears fans are 'confident' the franchise is moving in the right direction. Someone else posted a list of the "top-5 NFC QBs entering the 2023 season", Fields was #2. Tempo's main concern about the list was that Brock Purdy at #4 was too high. These were all in the first four pages of the 81 page thread.
And now that Fields hasn't been that good, it's because the franchise sucks, they haven't done anything to build around him, etc.
This is why I'm so concerned - we literally just did this thing where we decided Fields had 'turned the corner' based on a few games, and at the time the exact same people trashing the franchise now were selling that NEXT year (i.e., this year) things would be much better because of all the improvement and moves from the FO. They aren't much better.
To be clear, not trying to rip Tempo for having been optimistic. I’m trying to point out the dangers in doing this exact same thing again. It’s like we forgot that everyone expected a big jump from the Bears this year.
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Quote from: Tempo34 on December 02, 2023, 03:51:06 AM
[C] The Bears will be ready to make a big jump next year IMO.....We are still 2nd in the league in cap space....That’s a big if, I know, but they look to be swimming in draft capital the way U of I swims in Asian butthole.
C. You said this same shit last year. If you say it every year you will undoubtedly get it right and then claim you were Ahead of the Curve.
Wash, rinse, repeat....
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Now "Justin Lance" is in Dallas, but Tempo says "What if Fields was playing for the 49ers?" Well, they did that already and shipped his ass out of town.
Such a moronic take that Lance and Fields are the same guy because they have similar athleticism. Simpleton gonna simpleton.
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Such a moronic take that Lance and Fields are the same guy because they have similar athleticism. Simpleton gonna simpleton.
They both have the same lack of QB skills. We saw it on display with Lance and have seen it with Fields. Shanahan isn't wasting his time with Fields as a starter.
Hell, Kaepernick was a far better QB than Fields.
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If Fields bust you dump him at the deadline for considerably less than you can get for him right now, which already is likely not a TON.
If Fields is great, you can trade Williams or Maye for considerably less than you can get for the first overall pick right now.
You lose value either way, and for no real return.
It's like the worst of all worlds type move.
I think it’s worth asking though - what do you do if he neither busts nor is great? If he’s terrible then the decisions easy, but what if he’s just average like he has been? That’s the scary thing - it’s not hard to foresee a really similar season next year and people still arguing to keep Fields based on some unrealized potential. That would be an incredibly dangerous move though - if Fields comes back next year he needs to produce no matter if the OL or OC or WR corps is perfect. There can’t continue to be excuses in year 4 with 9 figures and the team’s cap flexibility on the line. I’m obviously a bit appalled that there are still so many excuses in year 3 after spending all last year and off-season hyping this year’s team up.
If they keep Fields, so be it. They need to maximize the return and roster help out of those two top-5/10 picks. They cannot justify spending one of them on a QB. If they move on from Fields, they need to take a shot at one of the top QBs. They can't justify moving on from Fields and then not taking the shot at one of those top guys.
I suppose it’s probably true that you’d lose some value. But IF…I went that route my #1 priority would be getting the franchise quarterback. I’d have two spins at the wheel. I might be willing to trade some “value” for extra insurance. I have not headd of any trade offers for Fields that sound too great to turn downs. I said HERE as recently as a week or so ago I’d entertain a top 35-40 or better pick for Fields. If you keep him and draft one, you likely give up some value, but have a greater chance on making sure you get it right, which IMO is the larger goal. And again, I don’t recall saying “this is what I would do.” It’s what I’d do if I was INTENT on drafting one at the top. I’ll eat the return on Fields to be sure I’m making the right move.
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Thought it was pretty interesting reading all Tempo's posts in this thread from the offseason, still on the front page: https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,821.0.html
In that thread he posted "data analysis" showing the Bears were the most improved team. He posted a video about how the Bears are 'building up for Justin Fields to prove he's the guy'. He posted a quote from EQ St. Brown about the Bears going worst to first. He posted about how the Bears were picked to finish second in the NFC North. He posted a video about how the Bears are "doing everything right" and had a "near perfect offseason building around Justin Fields". He posted a poll showing 91% of Bears fans are 'confident' the franchise is moving in the right direction. Someone else posted a list of the "top-5 NFC QBs entering the 2023 season", Fields was #2. Tempo's main concern about the list was that Brock Purdy at #4 was too high. These were all in the first four pages of the 81 page thread.
And now that Fields hasn't been that good, it's because the franchise sucks, they haven't done anything to build around him, etc.
This is why I'm so concerned - we literally just did this thing where we decided Fields had 'turned the corner' based on a few games, and at the time the exact same people trashing the franchise now were selling that NEXT year (i.e., this year) things would be much better because of all the improvement and moves from the FO. They aren't much better.
To be clear, not trying to rip Tempo for having been optimistic. I’m trying to point out the dangers in doing this exact same thing again. It’s like we forgot that everyone expected a big jump from the Bears this year.
And it’s pretty crazy how you refuse to acknowledge things such as injuries happen. I just showed you that perhaps your top 3 offensive linemen have missed an average of 50% of snaps. Not to mention earlier run the year when the defense was playing 3rd stringers. Particularly in the secondary. Coaching can play a role, plus or negative. Of course Fields can help or hurt himself by his play. Rookies can perhaps not help as much as projected (Tyler Scott?).
And there’s the possibility that maybe, just maybe…my analysis was less than perfect.
And maybe underestimated the difficulty in assimilating 30+ new faces. And injuries haven’t helped that.
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What’s lost in all of this is that the Bears are 4-4 in their last 8, and really should be 6-2. Funny how things got better once the team got healthier and a few games together. Cue PAMan and his “thanks 2-2 Tyson Bagent” post.
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And maybe underestimated the difficulty in assimilating 30+ new faces.
I just can't imagine that the guy who brought in Claypool and gave ESB an extension and went scorched earth on any talent on the roster would have trouble with that.
Could be, not should be, 3-5 also in their last 8.
With Bagent getting 2 of the wins. ;D
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I just can't imagine that the guy who brought in Claypool and gave ESB an extension and went scorched earth on any talent on the roster would have trouble with that.
Could be, not should be, 3-5 also.
Let the record show that you posted.
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FTR, I can’t ever remember saying “this is definitely what I would do.” I wouldn't do that. But if my #1 goal were getting the QB position RIGHT (and it probably should be), it’s certainly a plausible avenue.
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So to reiterate. Fields’ value in a trade doesn’t mean shit to me (unless it’s perhaps way higher than I’ve heard). A second or third day pick is not going to motivate me to move on from Fields. Unless that pick is near 1st round value.
They could trade Fields and end up drafting another Velus Jones with that pick. That’s more likely than a highly impactful player.
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I value getting it right more than Fields’ trade value.
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They could trade Fields and end up drafting another Velus Jones with that pick. That’s more likely than a highly impactful player.
Which is why you get rid of the GM.
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I value getting it right more than Fields’ trade value.
No, you value protecting Fields.
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Which is why you get rid of the GM.
There you go! Very on brand! Probably not gonna happen. So put your cup on.
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No, you value protecting Fields.
I value getting the QB position RIGHT. Particularly if I’m still not 100% confident in Fields (if I’m Poles).
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I value getting the QB position RIGHT.
As we have seen, that is another lie of yours. You value being "right" on Fields. Not getting the Bear QB position "right."
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The GM has a couple of mistakes on his résumé, FIRE him!
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And it’s pretty crazy how you refuse to acknowledge things such as injuries happen. I just showed you that perhaps your top 3 offensive linemen have missed an average of 50% of snaps. Not to mention earlier run the year when the defense was playing 3rd stringers. Particularly in the secondary. Coaching can play a role, plus or negative. Of course Fields can help or hurt himself by his play. Rookies can perhaps not help as much as projected (Tyler Scott?).
And there’s the possibility that maybe, just maybe…my analysis was less than perfect.
And maybe underestimated the difficulty in assimilating 30+ new faces. And injuries haven’t helped that.
I have acknowledged they’ve had some injuries. Of course, every team has had injuries - using them the way you are is simply excuse making. Injuries don’t excuse Fields’ or the Bears’ poor play overall.
We’re likely to have some key injuries next year too. What I’m saying is that it would be a complete disaster to keep doing this. This will be the second straight year where you have been preaching “next year”. At some point it has to be this year.
You haven’t really addressed this yet - what happens when this exact same conversation is happening a year from now, like it was a year ago? How many times do we get to say “well NEXT year is the year we finally put it together”? As a reminder next year we’re likely to have another new OC and potentially head coach. Surely you see what a nightmare that has the potential to be.
If you were right last year and last off-season about the improvement from Fields and the Bears we wouldn’t be having this discussion - but we are, and you’re wanting to push that conversation to next year again. It’s frustrating.
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As we have seen, that is another lie of yours. You value being "right" on Fields. Not getting the Bear QB position "right."
Well, yeah. Since he is IN THE BUILDING and still shows a potentially very high ceiling, yeah I value getting it right on him. Since he’s who we’ve got. I don’t value getting it right on anyone currently employed by another team. Because that would be pointless.
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I value getting the QB position RIGHT. Particularly if I’m still not 100% confident in Fields (if I’m Poles).
If that were true I struggle to see how you’d be so bullish on Fields. That doesn’t really add up to me. Fields has been average and will be expensive - barring some incredible unforeseen turnaround, how are we going to justify paying him a hundred million dollars? Is that “getting the QB right”? Spending 9 figures on a dude who, at best, has had one really good season (assuming he does that next year, ignoring that you were bullish he was going to do that THIS year)?
Did the New York Giants get the QB position right? They paid their guy on the back of one pretty good season and within a few games it was clear that it would likely set them back quite a bit.
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I have acknowledged they’ve had some injuries. Of course, every team has had injuries - using them the way you are is simply excuse making. Injuries don’t excuse Fields’ or the Bears’ poor play overall.
We’re likely to have some key injuries next year too. What I’m saying is that it would be a complete disaster to keep doing this. This will be the second straight year where you have been preaching “next year”. At some point it has to be this year.
You haven’t really addressed this yet - what happens when this exact same conversation is happening a year from now, like it was a year ago? How many times do we get to say “well NEXT year is the year we finally put it together”? As a reminder next year we’re likely to have another new OC and potentially head coach. Surely you see what a nightmare that has the potential to be.
If you were right last year and last off-season about the improvement from Fields and the Bears we wouldn’t be having this discussion - but we are, and you’re wanting to push that conversation to next year again. It’s frustrating.
Of course “every team has injuries,” but even that’s a flawed argument. Because not every team loses identical players for identical lengths of time. The Niners having injuries isn’t the same as the rebuilding Bears having injuries. As far as I know, the Niners aren’t trying to assimilate 30 new players in one off season.
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The GM has a couple of mistakes on his résumé, FIRE him!
1. Hiring Eberlose
2. Velus Jones
3. Passing on Carter
4. Passing on Stroud (I would not have picked him, but I am not a GM and it has to count as a mistake right now)
5. Trading a high 2 for Claypool
6. Trading another high 2 for Sweat in another lost season when you could have signed him in FA
7. Whatever Nate Davis is doing
8. Whatever Dan Feeney is doing
9. Not fixing either line in offseason FA
10. Sucking so badly that there is no sight of a new Bears stadium on the horizon
11. 2 coaches let go under mysterious circumstances
What else? Letting Montgomery go count?
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So you are saying Caleb Williams or Drake Maye (you better get it right) INSTANTLY makes the Bears better? Because that’s what it sounds like you said in the previous post.
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[You haven’t really addressed this yet - what happens when this exact same conversation is happening a year from now, like it was a year ago? How many times do we get to say “well NEXT year is the year we finally put it together”?]
Am I interpreting this incorrectly? We’re automatically better next year with a rookie?
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So to reiterate. Fields’ value in a trade doesn’t mean shit to me (unless it’s perhaps way higher than I’ve heard). A second or third day pick is not going to motivate me to move on from Fields. Unless that pick is near 1st round value.
They could trade Fields and end up drafting another Velus Jones with that pick. That’s more likely than a highly impactful player.
I assume no NFL GM is stupid enough to give up a first round pick for a guy who hasn’t shown anything even hinting that he might be worth that - but you never know.
If the Bears gave up a first for a guy with Fields’ career so far I would be furious.
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If you were right last year and last off-season about the improvement from Fields and the Bears we wouldn’t be having this discussion - but we are, and you’re wanting to push that conversation to next year again. It’s frustrating.
So you don’t actually acknowledge how injuries have impacted trying to incorporate 30 new players…
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[You haven’t really addressed this yet - what happens when this exact same conversation is happening a year from now, like it was a year ago? How many times do we get to say “well NEXT year is the year we finally put it together”?]
Am I interpreting this incorrectly? We’re automatically better next year with a rookie?
Nope, not at all - but obviously that isn’t a surprise.
I’m asking what you do when you keep Fields and in December 2024 we are having the same discussion about whether he’s good enough that we were having in early December 2022 and again in early December 2023.
There’s no way you would pay him $100m unless he has a monster year next year right?
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So you don’t actually acknowledge how injuries have impacted trying to incorporate 30 new players…
So Getsy sucks because his linemen are always hurt, he has to incorporate new players, AND his QB1 sucks ass?
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If that were true I struggle to see how you’d be so bullish on Fields. That doesn’t really add up to me.
Ok (shrug). But it does add up to some people, and not all of them are clueless Bears fans posting on Twitter and the HQ, as I have shown.
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It’s dumb to be bullish on Fields, yet someone will give you a nice pick(s) for him. Make that make sense.
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Ok (shrug). But it does add up to some people, and not all of them are clueless Bears fans posting on Twitter and the HQ, as I have shown.
Hilarious. Fucking clueless and delusional on top of being a liar.
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So you don’t actually acknowledge how injuries have impacted trying to incorporate 30 new players…
If you totally ignore all the times I acknowledged that, then no- I don’t.
You’ve made it clear you’re happy to ignore the things I actually say as long as you can make up some unreasonable shit and pretend I said it. As I said earlier, it’s a big reason I stopped coming around here. Not the only reason, but a big one.
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It’s dumb to be bullish on Fields, yet someone will give you a nice pick(s) for him. Make that make sense.
Huh? You were just saying how you wouldn’t move him for less than a first (or close). Nobody’s gonna give the Bears that I assume.
He might get a late 2nd or 3rd round pick from a QB starved team to give him a show me year.
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Nope, not at all - but obviously that isn’t a surprise.
I’m asking what you do when you keep Fields and in December 2024 we are having the same discussion about whether he’s good enough that we were having in early December 2022 and again in early December 2023.
There’s no way you would pay him $100m unless he has a monster year next year right?
You dump him just as you took your loss on Chase Claypool and move on.
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Huh? You were just saying how you wouldn’t move him for less than a first (or close). Nobody’s gonna give the Bears that I assume.
He might get a late 2nd or 3rd round pick from a QB starved team to give him a show me year.
We are a starved QB team. And drafting Williams or Maye doesn’t solve that for sure.
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Here’s one thing that sucks - I like Justin Fields. I wish he had been good enough at QB thusfar. He just hasn’t been. Like if they held onto him and he was consistently a top 8 or 10 QB for all of next season I’d say sure, sign me up - he just has never shown the ability to do that. And I’m not willing to use your laundry list to excuse that poor play because he isn’t in a perfect situation. Every team drops balls. Every team has key injuries. The good QBs find ways to keep playing well. He has not done that so far.
You’re arguing based on what you WANT to be true - that at worst we’re getting a borderline HOF talent like Donovan McNabb. I’m arguing based on what has actually been true of Fields so far - that he has never had a consistent stretch of good play especially throwing the ball, that he has been terrible in clutch situations consistently, that he has improved (a low bar because he was horrible) but not nearly enough for me to pay him $100m.
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If you totally ignore all the times I acknowledged that, then no- I don’t.
You’ve made it clear you’re happy to ignore the things I actually say as long as you can make up some unreasonable shit and pretend I said it. As I said earlier, it’s a big reason I stopped coming around here. Not the only reason, but a big one.
You don’t seem to acknowledge that. I’ve heard you use the work “excuses” a lot.
Do you not find it interesting the Bears are playing much better the last 8 games now that they’re healthier and had some continuity?
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We are a starved QB team. And drafting Williams or Maye doesn’t solve that for sure.
We are a QB starved team, so better throw the same guy out there for the fourth straight year?
Make it make sense.
To the degree that we are a QB starved team it is because our QB play hasn’t been very good.
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Huh? You were just saying how you wouldn’t move him for less than a first (or close). Nobody’s gonna give the Bears that I assume.
He might get a late 2nd or 3rd round pick from a QB starved team to give him a show me year.
That pick could easily be another Velus Jones or Dan Bazuin. I’d rather exhaust all possibilities on Fields. It’s worth the “risk” IMO.
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You don’t seem to acknowledge that. I’ve heard you use the work “excuses” a lot.
Do you not find it interesting the Bears are playing much better the last 8 games now that they’re healthier and had some continuity?
Well yes - I’ve seen you make a stunning number of excuses for Justin Fields’ play in this discussion. Quite literally 100% of the time someone criticizes him.
The Bears offense looked horrendous in the most recent game they played. What is your basis for saying they look so much better? They look like the same inconsistent unit they’ve been.
They can have a good game, and then a terrible game. He can get 300 yards passing and 4 TD against Washington and then look terrible before he gets hurt against Minnesota.
This is still as true as it ever was.
For all the talk of a turnaround, the offense has looked terrible in 3 of the last 6 games Justin Fields has played.
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That pick could easily be another Velus Jones or Dan Bazuin. I’d rather exhaust all possibilities on Fields. It’s worth the “risk” IMO.
Why take any draft picks ever if you’re always this scared of picking a bust?
The thing is, you’re not always this scared. This attitude you’re showing here is about Fields, not the draft pick.
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And I’m not willing to use your laundry list to excuse that poor play because he isn’t in a perfect situation. Every team drops balls. Every team has key injuries. The good QBs find ways to keep playing well. He has not done that so far.
So you “acknowledge” the injuries (and how they impact a team in total rebuild), but not really. Which “good quarterbacks” specifically are you referring to?
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Why take any draft picks ever if you’re always this scared of picking a bust?
The thing is, you’re not always this scared. This attitude you’re showing here is about Fields, not the draft pick.
I care about his upside at the position and how it could transform the Bears. Not a 2nd day pick.
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Why take any draft picks ever if you’re always this scared of picking a bust?
The thing is, you’re not always this scared. This attitude you’re showing here is about Fields, not the draft pick.
Again, all this proves is that this is all about Tempo being proven right about Fields and zero about the Bears.
If you cannot trust your GM with 2 top 10 picks to draft a competent QB, why is he the GM?
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So you “acknowledge” the injuries (and how they impact a team in total rebuild), but not really. Which “good quarterbacks” specifically are you referring to?
I acknowledge that injuries can hurt a team, yeah of course. Jamar Smith and Carlwell being simultaneously injured hurt Weber too.
I don’t accept it as an excuse in the way you’re wanting to use it.
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I care about his upside at the position and how it could transform the Bears. Not a 2nd day pick.
Paying for upside is how you end up with a terrible team.
He needs to be productive to justify keeping him. Not potentially productive, if his supporting cast was great and his OC was calling great plays and the OL was healthy and played together as a unit all year. He needs to produce.
Paying him $100m severely limits what the Bears can do with the rest of their roster. If they are going to do it, they cannot do it based on upside.
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John Lynch and Mike Shanahan busted badly on a QB high in the first round. Fire them?
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John Lynch and Mike Shanahan busted badly on a QB high in the first round. Fire them?
I thought Shanahan did not want Lance. They definitely got bailed out by Purdy.
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John Lynch and Mike Shanahan busted badly on a QB high in the first round. Fire them?
Well yeah - if they were smart they’d have been happy to pay a guy who’s never consistently been above average instead of taking the huge risk of picking a guy with a high pick. No good GM would actually pick someone high - after all what if they bust?
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If he can’t find a quality quarterback high in rhe 1st round, fire him now. PATHETIC. Throw him on the BUST pile with Montez Sweat.
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Well yeah - if they were smart they’d have been happy to pay a guy who’s never consistently been above average instead of taking the huge risk of picking a guy with a high pick. No good GM would actually pick someone high - after all what if they bust?
That obviously went over your head.
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I thought Shanahan did not want Lance. They definitely got bailed out by Purdy.
If you have a top 3 coach in the league he clearly signed off on it.
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I can’t for the life of me imagine John Lynch is just telling Shanahan “how it’s gonna be.”
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Oh, and Shanahan apparently preferred Mac Jones, so there’s that.
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Shit, Kyle not Mike Shanahan. Both great coaches.
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That obviously went over your head.
Yes, let's compare John Lynch and KYLE Shanahan to Poles and Eberlose. This is laughable.
Lynch and Shanahan admitted their mistake and moved on. Getting bailed out by Purdy definitely helped, but they also re-signed Garoppolo, after they released him, because they realized Lance sucked.
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Can’t trust these guys. FIRE THEM.
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That obviously went over your head.
Hahahaha, I absolutely love that you think that.
It did not.
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I can’t for the life of me imagine John Lynch is just telling Shanahan “how it’s gonna be.”
I thought Michael Lombardi claimed that is exactly what happened.
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I can’t for the life of me imagine John Lynch is just telling Shanahan “how it’s gonna be.”
You don’t think the GM has final say on personnel decisions? That surprises me.
Not to say they don’t work together, they surely do, but that decision is the GM’s at the end of the day. Nobody’s firing a head coach because a draft pick wasn’t good enough.
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Can’t trust these guys. FIRE THEM.
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As you like to claim with Fields, can we wonder how Mac Jones would have fared under Shanahan?
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Can’t trust these guys. FIRE THEM.
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If I said anything remotely like this you would do exactly what you did earlier with Aikman.
“What, you think you know more about football than Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch!?”
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If I said anything remotely like this you would do exactly what you did earlier with Aikman.
“What, you think you know more about football than Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch!?”
Troy Aikman said Trubisky turned the corner!
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Hahahaha, I absolutely love that you think that.
It did not.
Well it’s the only explanation for your response.
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If I said anything remotely like this you would do exactly what you did earlier with Aikman.
“What, you think you know more about football than Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch!?”
This is aimed at your cohort, ThePAMan. Are you sure you’re dialed in here?
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You don’t think the GM has final say on personnel decisions? That surprises me.
Not to say they don’t work together, they surely do, but that decision is the GM’s at the end of the day. Nobody’s firing a head coach because a draft pick wasn’t good enough.
Likely he does, yes. Do you think he’s saddling Kyle Fucking Shanahan with a guy he hasn’t signed off on? And trading extra picks to do it? Laughable.
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This is aimed at your cohort, ThePAMan. Are you sure you’re dialed in here?
They messed up and went out and tried to fix it by re-signing Jimmy G. They did not let it fester for over 30 games, did they? They then lucked out by having Purdy fall into their lap.
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Likely he does, yes. Do you think he’s saddling Kyle Fucking Shanahan with a guy he hasn’t signed off on? And trading extra picks to do it? Laughable.
Someone has to make a decision in the draft room.
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If you can’t trust them to find you a QB high in the 1st round (and gave up plenty of extra assets to do it), why should they be running your franchise? Fire them. Throw them on the BUST pile with Montez Sweat.
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Ironically enough, Trey Lance also had a mini-cult thing going on The Twitter too, as I recall....
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If you can’t trust them to find you a QB high in the 1st round (and gave up plenty of extra assets to do it), why should they be running your franchise? Fire them. Throw them on the BUST pile with Montez Sweat.
The 49er seem to have weathered the Trey Lance Cult Fiasco because they got a lot of other things right in addition to being lucky on Purdy.
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This is aimed at your cohort, ThePAMan. Are you sure you’re dialed in here?
Yes.
I don't care who it is 'aimed at'. It is counter to the arguments you've been making previously.
There is, no doubt, always a chance that a pick busts. I don't think that is a good reason to stick with a guy who hasn't shown he can be good enough consistently, especially when a year from now that guy is going to cost a lot of money and limit what the Bears can spend on the rest of their roster.
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Twitter, Parkins, Greenie, Bernstein, The Score! Pwn.
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Twitter, Parkins, Greenie, Bernstein, The Score! Pwn.
Maybe this is ironic coming from me, but I'm shocked you still waste time on PAMan.
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Yes.
I don't care who it is 'aimed at'. It is counter to the arguments you've been making previously.
There is, no doubt, always a chance that a pick busts. I don't think that is a good reason to stick with a guy who hasn't shown he can be good enough consistently, especially when a year from now that guy is going to cost a lot of money and limit what the Bears can spend on the rest of their roster.
What I am mocking PAMan for is almost entirely separate from the conversation we are having.
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Likely he does, yes. Do you think he’s saddling Kyle Fucking Shanahan with a guy he hasn’t signed off on? And trading extra picks to do it? Laughable.
No idea. That seems like something that the Bears FO would do.
I think at the end of the day it's Lynch's call who gets picked though, and it's definitely not a given that they agree.
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Maybe this is ironic coming from me, but I'm shocked you still waste time on PAMan.
Well when you’re not here, he’s the only one who consistently responds.
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Twitter, Parkins, Greenie, Bernstein, The Score! Pwn.
You forgot that Twitter dumbass who commented on the preseason poll.
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No idea. That seems like something that the Bears FO would do.
I think at the end of the day it's Lynch's call who gets picked though, and it's definitely not a given that they agree.
He’s Kyle Shanahan. A coach any team in the league would covet. There’s no chance Lynch saddles him with a guy he doesn’t want.
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Maybe this is ironic coming from me, but I'm shocked you still waste time on PAMan.
You are never going to figure out this only about Tempo needing to be "right on Fields."
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No idea. That seems like something that the Bears FO would do.
I think at the end of the day it's Lynch's call who gets picked though, and it's definitely not a given that they agree.
The Bears, yes. The Niners, almost certainly not.
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Well when you’re not here, he’s the only one who consistently responds.
Still.
Nothing's better than what he brings.
I've got him on ignore, and can't lie - it really improves this place.
Again, I assume others feel the same about me; fair enough.
I used to think PAMan was a cool dude, before he completely committed to being an insufferable troll.
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He’s Kyle Shanahan. A coach any team in the league would covet. There’s no chance Lynch saddles him with a guy he doesn’t want.
28-3.
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Still.
Nothing's better than what he brings.
I've got him on ignore, and can't lie - it really improves this place.
Again, I assume others feel the same about me; fair enough.
I used to think PAMan was a cool dude, before he completely committed to being an insufferable troll.
Of course he is never going to figure out Tempo is a douche.
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You’re gonna have to translate that for me. “28-3.”
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Of course he is never going to figure out Tempo is a douche.
PAMan’s response to Spark. Interesting…
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Still.
Nothing's better than what he brings.
I've got him on ignore, and can't lie - it really improves this place.
That would explain why you didn’t understand my other posts.
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No idea. That seems like something that the Bears FO would do.
I think at the end of the day it's Lynch's call who gets picked though, and it's definitely not a given that they agree.
On a quarterback…one in which they gave up a lot of draft capital to get. They agreed.
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Could they have disagreed about Brock Purdy? Absolutely.
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But even that’s likely a no
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PAMan’s response to Spark. Interesting…
If his therapist doesn't tell him, he isn't.
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Does Kyle Shanahan sign off on what defensive linemen Lynch drafts? Probably not.
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On a quarterback…one in which they gave up a lot of draft capital to get. They agreed.
Sounds like maybe there were reports that they didn't completely?
There's a wide gap between "we agree on who is the best to take" and "if you take this guy I will quit" or something like that. I'm sure they work together to make the decision, but the decision is John Lynch's ultimately whether they agree or not.
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I guarantee you John Lynch isn’t saddling Kyle Shanahan with a QB he hasn’t signed off on. That is just so incredibly unlikely. Talk about creating dysfunction. They don’t seem like a dysfunctional franchise to me.
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So again, Spark. I ask the question “which quarterbacks specifically are overcoming far less than optimal situations?”
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I guarantee you John Lynch isn’t saddling Kyle Shanahan with a QB he hasn’t signed off on. That is just so incredibly unlikely. Talk about creating dysfunction. They don’t seem like a dysfunctional franchise to me.
So, let's say they're in the position to take a QB and want a QB.
John Lynch wants to take Trey Lance, and Kyle Shanahan wants to take Mac Jones. It's not open-and-shut or anything, but Lynch prefers Lance and Shanahan prefers Jones. Who do they take? Think John Lynch is willing to risk his own job to let Shanahan pick the QB? He is Shanahan's boss.
'Signing off' on picking someone is not the same thing as agreeing with picking them. That they picked Lance doesn't mean they totally agreed and he was also Shanahan's first choice. It is ultimately Lynch's call.
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So again, Spark. I ask the question “which quarterbacks specifically are overcoming far less than optimal situations?”
I'm not playing that dumb game with you again.
Justin Fields hasn't been good enough to justify paying. It's possible he plays well enough to justify paying him next year, but that is a huge risk given the ability to take a QB high in the draft this year.
You are considerably more impressed than I am with the "turnaround", in which 3 of the last 6 games he has played the offense has been really bad. I don't think I could justify paying him or passing on a top draft prospect due to that 'turnaround'. This without mentioning that you were raving about his turnaround last year too.
There's nothing much more to say about it. You want to keep Fields and potentially pass on the top QBs (doing both just isn't a realistic option). I think the most likely result of that by far is that we end up in a bad situation a year from now, when Fields is in a make-or-break year with our roster's cap flexibility on the line with a new coach and a new OC.
Can you at least commit to not continuing to make the infinite, never-ending excuses for him if they do keep him? It'll be absolutely insufferable if you're still blaming everyone else a year from now. Surely you see that would be silly.
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They’re just no fucking way a competent GM is going to Kyle Shanahan and says “here’s your QB, like it or not.” No fucking way.
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I'm not playing that dumb game with you again.
Justin Fields hasn't been good enough to justify paying. It's possible he plays well enough to justify paying him next year, but that is a huge risk given the ability to take a QB high in the draft this year.
You are considerably more impressed than I am with the "turnaround", in which 3 of the last 6 games he has played the offense has been really bad. I don't think I could justify paying him or passing on a top draft prospect due to that 'turnaround'. This without mentioning that you were raving about his turnaround last year too.
There's nothing much more to say about it. You want to keep Fields and potentially pass on the top QBs (doing both just isn't a realistic option). I think the most likely result of that by far is that we end up in a bad situation a year from now, when Fields is in a make-or-break year with our roster's cap flexibility on the line with a new coach and a new OC.
Can you at least commit to not continuing to make the infinite, never-ending excuses for him if they do keep him? It'll be absolutely insufferable if you're still blaming everyone else a year from now. Surely you see that would be silly.
Wait, you get to make the claim, but now are not willing to provide examples? Well that seems…odd.
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They’re just no fucking way a competent GM is going to Kyle Shanahan and says “here’s your QB, like it or not.” No fucking way.
And no one has claimed otherwise. I've said over and over "I'm sure they make the decision together," you simply ignore that so you can build a straw man. You could straight up argue against me without me here - you simply decide what 'I' am arguing even when I am here.
But there's no doubt, if they disagree on which QB to take, whose decision is the one getting made. The pick is John Lynch's job on the line, not Kyle Shanahan's, and John Lynch has the final say about who gets picked.
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Wait, you get to make the claim, but now are not willing to provide examples? Well that seems…odd.
As usual, you're simply ignoring what I actually said. I'm done with it. I'm not going to keep repeating the same shit because you refuse to actually listen to what I say and just make something unreasonable up and attribute it to me. It's a waste of my fuckin' time.
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If I made a claim that “good quarterbacks overcome all the time!” I’m sure I’d be willing to provide a few examples.
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As usual, you're simply ignoring what I actually said. I'm done with it. I'm not going to keep repeating the same shit because you refuse to actually listen to what I say and just make something unreasonable up and attribute it to me. It's a waste of my fuckin' time.
I’ve heard what you said. You “haven’t seen enough.”
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It’s pretty amazing how I can quote you pretty much verbatim and act like I’m misrepresenting what you said.
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Paying for upside is how you end up with a terrible team.
ironic, because “paying for upside is exactly what you’re doing by drafting a QB at #1 and moving on from a guy with an established floor (top 20). You’re “paying for it” in draft capital.
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“Every team has key injuries. The good QBs find ways to keep playing well. He has not done that so far.“
Your words exactly. I can’t misconstrue or reinterpret them. Who specifically?
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If I made a claim that “good quarterbacks overcome all the time!” I’m sure I’d be willing to provide a few examples.
And if you did, I'd simply ignore the list so we could be even. That's what you do. You just ignore everything I type. You would go absolutely nuts if I debated against you like you "debate" against me here.
Here are a couple guys who have overcome poor OL play, injuries, etc this year:
Matthew Stafford has one of the worst OL in the league and played most of the season without Cooper Kupp. He turned an UDFA rookie into a top WR in the NFL. His team is sixth in the league in drops. He has a QBR almost 15 points higher than Justin Fields.
Jared Goff has what should be an elite OL, but they have had a ton of injury issues too. Their starting line coming into the season played 75 snaps together before a guard got hurt for the year. Putting their backup in, THAT group has played together for 26% of the Lions snaps. Penei Sewell is their only starting OL to not sit at least one game this year. He's got a great WR1 (as does Fields), but nothing special after that. His team is fourth in the league in drops. Goff has a QBR 16 points higher than Fields.
Russell Wilson has a mediocre OL, an aging arm, and nothing special at offensive skill positions. His top WR is 5th in the league in drops. He has a QBR 5 points higher than Fields.
Joshua Dobbs played half the season for a blatantly tanking team, and then a few games with a Justin Jefferson-less Vikings offense. Neither team has a particularly good OL, and without Jefferson the skill positions in Minnesota aren't anything special either (Addison is pretty good, but not DJ Moore good). His current team is 7th in the league in drops. He has a QBR 9 points higher than Fields.
Jordan Love has been missing his top RB for a while (5 missed games), plus his veteran LT for the entire season. Not much in the way of pass-catchers - Romeo Doubs, Jayden Reed, Luke Musgrave (who's now probably out for the year) are his leading receivers. His team in 9th in the league in drops. He has a QBR 13 points higher than Fields.
Sam Howell, who you mocked earlier for being bad the last few weeks, has a terrible OL and decent but not elite skill guys. His team is 10th in the league in drops.
His QBR is 2 points higher than Fields.
Gardner Minshew came into this season as a backup before their top-pick QB got hurt. The starting RB who has been great in the past has spent most of the year either holding out or hurt. Pittman has some game but again, IMO not close to DJ Moore. The other WR there (Josh Downs, Alec Pierce, Isaiah McKenzie) are either only okay or young or both. His team is 11th in the league in drops. His QBR is 13 points higher than Fields.
Derek Carr lost his 5x Pro Bowl interior lineman for the season before it started. His best WR regressed, and then got injured again. His top WR is 10th in the league in drops. His QBR is 2.5 points higher than Fields.
Obviously Stroud has been fantastic, and most people thought they would be tanking again this year. Instead they're eyeing a playoff berth. His best pass catchers are Nico Collins and Tank Dell (until Dell got hurt yesterday). His QBR is 14 points higher than Fields.
The list of dudes with worse QBR than Fields is like a laundry list of dudes who have either played very little, or who most people seem to recognize aren't that good. Ridder, Kenny Pickett, Mac, Levis, O'Connell. The best QBs with worse QBR than Fields right now are probably Deshaun Watson, who just took a couple years off from football entirely, and Jimmy G who got flat out benched for Aidan O'Connell.
I have no doubt you will nitpick a lot of this list - hell, you'll probably tell me later I didn't even write it out - but the point is that a lot of guys have questionable OLs, injury issues, questionable pass catchers, questionable coaching/playcalling and still seem to produce at a level similar to or better than Fields has shown so far. Even guys you'd never in a million years trade Fields for.
Everyone on the list other than Sam Howell and Russell Wilson has a sack rate at least 4.7% better than Fields'.
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ironic, because “paying for upside is exactly what you’re doing by drafting a QB at #1 and moving on from a guy with an established floor (top 20). You’re “paying for it” in draft capital.
Sorry, you think spending the top pick on a QB is more expensive than paying $100m for one?
You're joking, right?
There's a reason teams build around QBs on rookie contracts. That's an insane take.
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If I made a claim that “good quarterbacks overcome all the time!” I’m sure I’d be willing to provide a few examples.
And then you'd lie about whatever was said to you to make it sound unreasonable while you massacre a straw man.
Happens every fuckin' time with you.
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It’s pretty amazing how I can quote you pretty much verbatim and act like I’m misrepresenting what you said.
You have no fucking idea what it means to "quote someone verbatim", obviously.
You lie about shit I said CONSTANTLY. Damn near every debate I've ever had with you, you have lied about what I said. Often you will lie about it for years, no matter how often I point out you're lying. You don't care - it's worth it to claim a victory, even if you have to lie to do it.
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It was a good idea to fire mass shots with lots of “supporting data” instead of just providing a few names. All of the credible names you listed are established veterans who’ve been to Super Bowls.
Lol as is Josh Dobbs and Sam Howell would be good enough for you to forget about Caleb Williams.
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Derek Carr lol
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Derek Carr has a worse passer rating than Fields. And an established roster with multiple legitimate weapons.
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Derek Carr has a worse passer rating than Fields. And an established roster with multiple legitimate weapons.
And when you take the entirety of playing the position - rushing yards (which should be a boon for Fields - that's why I used QBR), sacks, etc. - he has a better rating.
He has been comparable to Fields no matter how you spin it. I wouldn't sign him for $100m either, even if he were 25 or whatever.
I knew you'd nitpick it though. What a fuckin waste of time you are.
If you think Fields has been good enough, you and I have very different standards. Let's leave it at that.
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Unless my eyes are failing (don’t have my readers on) Minshews passer rating is like 9 points worse than Fields. He has good weapons like Pittman, Downs, Taylor. And plays in a dome, which is more conducive to compiling stats. It is a near miracle what they are doing as a team, though.
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Hell, Alec Pierce is a talent. He’d probably be the Bears’ #2.
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And when you take the entirety of playing the position - rushing yards (which should be a boon for Fields - that's why I used QBR), sacks, etc. - he has a better rating.
He has been comparable to Fields no matter how you spin it. I wouldn't sign him for $100m either, even if he were 25 or whatever.
I knew you'd nitpick it though. What a fuckin waste of time you are.
If you think Fields has been good enough, you and I have very different standards. Let's leave it at that.
I cited passer rating. Not QBR
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It was a good idea to fire mass shots with lots of “supporting data” instead of just providing a few names. All of the credible names you listed are established veterans who’ve been to Super Bowls.
Lol as is Josh Dobbs and Sam Howell would be good enough for you to forget about Caleb Williams.
Oh, did I say that about Caleb Williams?
Or did you just make it up entirely and attribute it to me?
Yes, I usually find it a good idea to support the claims I make with data and evidence. Wild, I know. But I get why you don't in this instance, obviously - your entire argument relies on completely ignoring all the data for external reasons.
I agree, it sucks that those guys are playing about as well as our QB. I can't imagine wanting to pay $100m for that level of play personally, but here we are.
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And that includes Fields. first few games which were abysmal.
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“About as well as our QB.” There’s a sea change on the narrative.
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I cited passer rating. Not QBR
You didn't cite shit, frankly. It was my claim and my list.
You want to talk about passer rating now, of course, because all these mediocre ass QBs have better total QBRs than Fields does - and the ENTIRETY of this argument is dedicated to you defending Justin Fields' performance by any means necessary.
Next time you ask me to take my time to put together a stupid list right now, remember - this is why I am going to say no. You're not interested.
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“About as well as our QB.” There’s a sea change on the narrative.
Huh?
You're saying we should pay a guy who's playing, in his best season by far, about as well as Joshua Dobbs and Sam Howell a hundred million dollars.
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“Good quarterbacks overcome, and play about as well as our quarterback (Justin Fields)!”
Now please go ahead and tell me I’m misrepresenting what you said.
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You know what, Tempo, nevermind.
There's obviously no point at which you hold Fields accountable. That could not possibly be more clear - you are a Merryman in the late Weber days. No evidence could sway your view even a little bit. You will be ranting about OL injuries and Luke Getsy 10 years from now when Fields is long gone.
I'll see you in another year or so to rehash all this, you can tell me about how he had an OLineman miss four games so you can't count the 2024 performance against him either.
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Huh?
You're saying we should pay a guy who's playing, in his best season by far, about as well as Joshua Dobbs and Sam Howell a hundred million dollars.
You mean the QBs Justin Fields beat the pants off of on the road?
You’re praising Derek Carr a 10 year veteran for playing “about as well” as Justin Fields.
Yes, I am taking into account that Justin Fields was given the absolute worst situation in football last year (only Davis Mills’ was comparable), and that it might take some time to incorporate 30 new teammates as they have battled through injuries. Injuries that also cost him a month after he had turned a corner. I know, I know, “bad half against Minnesota!”
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“Good quarterbacks overcome, and play about as well as our quarterback (Justin Fields)!”
No please go ahead and tell me I’m misrepresenting what you said.
I was trying to keep it to guys that I thought were even remotely fair to compare Justin Fields to. If you don't think the top QBs have had injuries etc. you're crazy - I didn't list them because I don't think it's fair to compare Justin Fields to guys like Hurts and Mahomes.
But it doesn't matter - you legitimately don't care that you misrepresent me so often. In fact, you seem to like it - you've certainly never given one second to listen to me or try to stop lying. This place, to you, is just a place to word vomit all over and try to "win points" by beating up strawmen. I'm done with it. Enjoy hanging with PAMan - I'm sick of the dishonesty.
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A half in which he went 6 for 10. Totally a disaster!
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It’s hilarious how punitively we view a 10 pass half against a team that blitzes 30% more the league average.
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I was trying to keep it to guys that I thought were even remotely fair to compare Justin Fields to. If you don't think the top QBs have had injuries etc. you're crazy - I didn't list them because I don't think it's fair to compare Justin Fields to guys like Hurts and Mahomes.
But it doesn't matter - you legitimately don't care that you misrepresent me so often. In fact, you seem to like it - you've certainly never given one second to listen to me or try to stop lying. This place, to you, is just a place to word vomit all over and try to "win points" by beating up strawmen. I'm done with it. Enjoy hanging with PAMan - I'm sick of the dishonesty.
Spark has ALMOST figured out what this is about....
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Dude. I have not misrepresented anything you said. You just PRAISED a bunch of guys for “playing about as well as Justin Fields.” Some of whom are 10 year and Super Bowl veterans.
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I have not misrepresented that.
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He just PRAISED Derek Carr, Josh Dobbs, Sam Howell, and Gardner Minshew for “playing about as well as our QB,” and I’m somehow misrepresenting what he said. SMH.
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And then he wants to point to HOF caliber QBs on established teams and talk about how they’ve “overcome!” Poor Matthew Stafford has only had COOPER KUPP for part of the season!
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How will Stafford (and Sean McVay) ever OVERCOME Cooper Kupp missing a few games?
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How will Russell Wilson, Sean Payton, Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy, and Javonte Williams “overcome…” what exactly?
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Before the first snap
Of the game, Aikman mentions “rare unity” upfront. Which I can’t believe he thinks that means anything…
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Sorry Tempo, you know I like you, but I just cannot handle that sort of straw man shit.
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Ok. Fields is a better QB than Tyler Boyd.
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Ok. Fields is a better QB than Tyler Boyd.
Boyd did throw a nice pass on the numbers tho
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Sorry Tempo, you know I like you, but I just cannot handle that sort of straw man shit.
I like you too but I don’t see how it can be a strawman if I quoted you directly
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You may have quoted me directly once or twice.
You strawmanned at least a dozen times today, dude.
Like, EVERY post I made you would come back with some interpretation of it that was not even remotely close to what I said. It's extraordinarily frustrating. Even more frustrating is that you do not care. You have done it to me for literally years, and no matter how many times I point it out you continue to do it, over and over and over and over again.
Here are the hits:
"You just PRAISED a bunch of guys for “playing about as well as Justin Fields.” Some of whom are 10 year and Super Bowl veterans." - nope, the list wasn't made to praise them. if you thought it was you misunderstood completely! this was one sentence after you said "I have not misrepresented anything you said."
"Lol as is Josh Dobbs and Sam Howell would be good enough for you to forget about Caleb Williams." - nope, never said anything even remotely close to this, you just made it up and claimed I was saying it.
Here's a time when you used a direct quote, which you made up: “Good quarterbacks overcome, and play about as well as our quarterback (Justin Fields)!” In the next sentence you said "now please go ahead and tell me I'm misrepresenting what you said". Well, you quoted me saying something I didn't say. That's how.
Here's you arguing against me, using a claim I never made: "They’re just no fucking way a competent GM is going to Kyle Shanahan and says “here’s your QB, like it or not.” No fucking way." Ironically, YOU had pointed out earlier in the thread that Shanahan supposedly preferred Mac Jones.
'So you are saying Caleb Williams or Drake Maye (you better get it right) INSTANTLY makes the Bears better? " - nope, didn't say anything of the sort. Nothing even remotely close.
I could probably keep going.
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(https://media.tenor.com/d3eHtOmgztMAAAAC/the-simpsons-he-is-already-dead.gif)
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Did you not say “good quarterbacks overcome adverse situations (paraphrasing but noting unfair there IMO), and then mentions a bunch of fringe quarterbacks along with multiple veterans and Super Bowl quarterbacks and say “they’re playing about as well as our QB?”
What do I have wrong there?
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Did you not say “good quarterbacks overcome adverse situations (paraphrasing but noting unfair there IMO), and then mentions a bunch of fringe quarterbacks along with multiple veterans and Super Bowl quarterbacks and say “they’re playing about as well as our QB?”
What do I have wrong there?
Well, for one thing - you're conflating two comments. Yes, good QBs overcome adverse situations. Those just weren't the QBs I listed.
As I mentioned - I pretty intentionally didn't list better QBs that I didn't think were fair to compare with Fields. I was trying to be fair to him. The top QBs have had drops and injuries on their offense too - the Chiefs and Cowboys and Bills have all dropped more passes than the Bears, in fact the Chiefs and Cowboys are #1 and #2 in drops, but I didn't look them up because there's no point in comparing Fields to Pat Mahomes or Dak or Josh Allen.
The list was supposed to be of guys who you would not trade Fields for, but who have had injuries on the line, drops, etc. and still produced. Russell Wilson might be a Hall of Famer, but my guess is you wouldn't trade Justin Fields for him in 2023. He's 35 years old and was terrible last year.
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You thought Stafford and Wilson (and even Goff) were “fair” comparisons to Fields?
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You thought about listing Mahomes, Prescott and Allen because they “have more drops?”
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No, I wouldn’t trade Fields for a 35 year old back end of his career Russell Wilson. But he’s still FAR more experienced, has a HOF coach, and very serviceable weapons.
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Yes, Russell Wilson was awful last year (trust me, I know I had him on my fantasy team), but his numbers this year are significantly better. So maybe that means it was an ill-fitted system, getting assimilated, and bad coaching. He doesn’t have those same problems now. Ironic, that Luke Getsy’s boss didn’t last a single year in Denver. Or is it?
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Should’ve known better my bad.
If you think that level of play is going to justify a $100+m contract have at it. I don’t think paying a huge price for average play is a good strategy but maybe it is.
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Should’ve known better my bad.
If you think that level of play is going to justify a $100+m contract have at it. I don’t think paying a huge price for average play is a good strategy but maybe it is.
Where did I say that? And didn’t you cite him as someone who’s overcome adversity? I said he’s been a lot better than last year, which is a very low bar.
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If I thought he was worth all that money I’d have said yes, I’d take him over Fields. This version of Russell? No. He’s pretty clearly well into his back nine.
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So wait, you talking Fields? Because Russell is 245 million, not 100.
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I’m in a reconciliatory mood, so if you want to attempt to reboot this conversation, I’m game.
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I don’t.
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Alrighty then.
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So did you say Fields was “average?” Or am I drawing too much? Average despite tough circumstances. No chance to get better?
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And I’m not trying to be a jerk, but I wouldn’t put “a few too many drops,” in the category of bad roster, questionable coaching, limited playing time with many new teammates partially due to injuries, and general organizational ineptness. But that’s me.
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Wow. Only took 4 days to run Spark off this time.
Nice job, Tempo! You're becoming more efficient.
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So did you say Fields was “average?” Or am I drawing too much? Average despite tough circumstances. No chance to get better?
You can decide what I was arguing and beat it up. That's what you'd do no matter what I said.
I'm done trying to clarify my posts for you; you don't care. It doesn't matter what I meant. It matters what you say I meant. Every time.
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LOL…
https://x.com/pete_martuneac/status/1731983171682467945?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Wow. Only took 4 days to run Spark off this time.
Nice job, Tempo! You're becoming more efficient.
And done without a lol or derp, derp, derp.
Lol
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And done without a lol or derp, derp, derp.
Lol
Lol
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Wow. Only took 4 days to run Spark off this time.
Nice job, Tempo! You're becoming more efficient.
Apparently he doesn’t like it when I use his words against him.
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And done without a lol or derp, derp, derp.
Lol
Derp
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Apparently he doesn’t like it when I use his words against him.
Or lying about what he posted.
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LOL…
https://x.com/pete_martuneac/status/1731983171682467945?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
As the first response said, context matters. Tyler Boyd would have easily been the best receiver on the Bears last year, and he’s their 3. It helps to have a lot of talent around you.
For my money, Ja’Marr Chase is the best receiver in the league. Top 3 for sure.
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He's the best.
He's in the top 3 anyway.
Lol
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He's the best.
He's in the top 3 anyway.
Lol
It’s objective. For my money he’s the best. But I wouldn’t argue JJ or TH. Keep on a pickin,’ Capn Nitpick.
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What Mn doesn’t understand is that you could poll 100 NFL analysts and there would be at least 5-6 players receiving votes. The 3 I mentioned would likely garner the majority.
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Lol.
He's the best but maybe he's the 2nd best or maybe he's the 3rd best. But bottom line he's the best, maybe.
Lol
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My goodness…
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It’s objective. For my money he’s the best. But I wouldn’t argue JJ or TH. Keep on a pickin,’ Capn Nitpick.
It's subjective, not objective.
Lol
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It's subjective, not objective.
Lol
Lol
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It's subjective, not objective.
Lol
You got me. I was trying to be objective. Just woke up from a nap. Jobu 1 Tempo 0.
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Lol
You unfortunately, don’t get any points.
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Now we understand why the truth is "subjective" to Tempo.
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You got me. I was trying to be objective. Just woke up from a nap. Jobu 1 Tempo 0.
Man, to be able to take naps in the middle of a Tuesday...
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Man, to be able to take naps in the middle of a Tuesday...
I’ve been working at night
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Maybe I should go without sleep?
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I’ve been working at night
Ah. Figured you were just taking a day off. Since you're your own boss and everything.
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Ah. Figured you were just taking a day off. Since you're your own boss and everything.
Oooh, burn.
Unfortunately, days off are a real luxury anymore.
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Apparently he doesn’t like it when I use his words against him.
You’re completely full of shit.
He doesn’t like it when you make some shit up and pretend they’re his words, no. And neither do you, which is why you get so salty when people bring up stupid shit like you demanding Lorenzo Romar.
You’re perfectly happy to be an asshole to others though, even others you claim to like.
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Please tell me what I made up. I will honestly try to do better.
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My goodness…
Fuckin sucks, huh? When you say something and someone argues against you using shit they made up and not shit you said?
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What Mn doesn’t understand is that you could poll 100 NFL analysts and there would be at least 5-6 players receiving votes. The 3 I mentioned would likely garner the majority.
We know how that works, i.e. Fields being the 86th “best” player in the NFL. That’s RIDICULOUS! If it’s not based on predicted potential, then what the fuck is it based on?! Because he sure as fuck isn’t and doesn’t deserve that ranking based on any substantial play.
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Please tell me what I made up. I will honestly try to do better.
You can go back and look at the list a few pages ago again. I’m done doing this shit where you ignore everything I say.
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And frankly you’ve been doing this consistently for like 15 years now damn near every time we talk so I struggle to believe you will do better.
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You’re completely full of shit.
He doesn’t like it when you make some shit up and pretend they’re his words, no. And neither do you, which is why you get so salty when people bring up stupid shit like you demanding Lorenzo Romar.
You’re perfectly happy to be an asshole to others though, even others you claim to like.
I mean you got mad and acted like you were leaving. I was in a defensive position.
I told you I was feeling reconciliatory and I asked you if you wanted to reboot the conversation. You shot that down immediately.
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And frankly you’ve been doing this consistently for like 15 years now damn near every time we talk so I struggle to believe you will do better.
I have a response for that, but I’ll hold onto it because I don’t think you’ll like it.
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I mean you got mad and acted like you were leaving. I was in a defensive position.
I told you I was feeling reconciliatory and I asked you if you wanted to reboot the conversation. You shot that down immediately.
To what end? To have you keep doing this like you have for more than a decade?
No, I’m not interested in that any more than you are interested in discussing how you wouldn’t accept any coach for Illinois other than Reggie Theus.
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I mean you got mad and acted like you were leaving. I was in a defensive position.
I told you I was feeling reconciliatory and I asked you if you wanted to reboot the conversation. You shot that down immediately.
He’s (we all are) running in circles with you. It’s exhausting…
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I mean you got mad and acted like you were leaving. I was in a defensive position.
Not that I am entitled to answer, but what the hell does this even mean?
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I have said multiple times that your position of moving on from Fields is justifiable. I just don’t agree with it. Have you once said that keeping Fields is justifiable? If so, I missed it.
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I have a response for that, but I’ll hold onto it because I don’t think you’ll like it.
Let me guess - it’s based on something I didn’t say, but you inferred from my posts and held me to anyway?
That’s how every other discussion with you goes.
You’ve made it clear you’re uninterested in looking in the mirror or doing anything differently than deciding what I’m saying instead of listening to what I’m saying. There’s no point belaboring that - you’re not interested in trying to treat me more fairly. You’re interested in feeling like you “won” the debate on IlliniHQ2.
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He’s (we all are) running in circles with you. It’s exhausting…
Yeah, but you’re in much better shape now.
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I have a response for that, but I’ll hold onto it because I don’t think you’ll like it.
Going to pull out the old nap excuse again?
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Let me guess - it’s based on something I didn’t say, but you inferred from my posts and held me to anyway?
That’s how every other discussion with you goes.
You’ve made it clear you’re uninterested in looking in the mirror or doing anything differently than deciding what I’m saying instead of listening to what I’m saying. There’s no point belaboring that - you’re not interested in trying to treat me more fairly. You’re interested in feeling like you “won” the debate on IlliniHQ2.
Again, I have said your position is justifiable. I don’t know what else you want from me other than complete submission.
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I have said multiple times that your position of moving on from Fields is justifiable. I just don’t agree with it. Have you once said that keeping Fields is justifiable? If so, I missed it.
I told you already.
If it was up to me, I could not justify keeping him based on his play. I think it will pretty quickly be an obvious mistake if they go that direction.
It isn’t up to me though.
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Let me guess - it’s based on something I didn’t say, but you inferred from my posts and held me to anyway?
That’s how every other discussion with you goes.
You’ve made it clear you’re uninterested in looking in the mirror or doing anything differently than deciding what I’m saying instead of listening to what I’m saying. There’s no point belaboring that - you’re not interested in trying to treat me more fairly. You’re interested in feeling like you “won” the debate on IlliniHQ2.
Damn it! I was going to post that I was going to bust out laughing if Spark mentioned Tempo needing to look in the mirror like Mn had mentioned earlier today. I would have been so AOTC. Fuck
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Ok, you think it’s a mistake, I think it’s a reasonable bet. We can’t just leave it at that?
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Again, I have said your position is justifiable. I don’t know what else you want from me other than complete submission.
I want to have one conversation with you ever where you don’t beat up 25 strawmen, make up quotes I didn’t say and attribute them to me, or lie about the point I’m making to make it seem less reasonable than it is.
I’m not holding my breath, obviously.
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Ok, you think it’s a mistake, I think it’s a reasonable bet. We can’t just leave it at that?
We could’ve, except you started with your typical straw man bullshit.
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I will try to do better. I can’t promise results, but I am sincere in that I like debating you, and like having you around. At least you’re not a petulant 12 year old like some people here.
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We could’ve, except you started with your typical straw man bullshit.
I’m asking sincerely; give me an example or two of my strawmen. If I see what you mean maybe I can do better?
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I’m asking sincerely; give me an example or two of my strawmen. If I see what you mean maybe I can do better?
I posted at least three or four when you demanded a list yesterday. You can refer back to that.
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Petulant 12 year old calls everyone else a petulant 12 year old.
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I’m asking sincerely; give me an example or two of my strawmen. If I see what you mean maybe I can do better?
No, you aren't. No, you won't.
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Petulant 12 year old calls everyone else a petulant 12 year old.
I guess I could spend the next few weeks accusing you of molesting your children. That would up the ante.
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I guess I could spend the next few weeks accusing you of molesting your children. That would up the ante.
Unsure how that ups the ante, but go ahead. Have at it.
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Unsure how that ups the ante,
Not surprising.
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Not surprising.
Explain it to me.
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Explain it to me.
That you think accusing someone of child moleststion isn’t in any way an escalation of things.
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Over largely sports opinions.
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That you think accusing someone of child moleststion isn’t in any way an escalation of things.
If someone really cared what was typed, on the 5th most popular Illinois message board, sure. How is that pertinent here?
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If someone really cared what was typed, on the 5th most popular Illinois message board, sure. How is that pertinent here?
So you accusing another poster of molesting his daughter “fine.”
Me calling another poster dipshit (or pick your own word) for a bad sports opinion “way over the line.”
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So you accusing another poster of molesting his daughter “fine.”
Me calling another poster dipshit (or pick your own word) for a bad sports opinion “way over the line.”
I never said it was way over the line. I said you started it and then couldn't handle when it came back at you.
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Or in this case, it might be acccusing another poster of being “unable to read,” even though reading is a requirement to participating.
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What Mn doesn’t understand is that you could poll 100 NFL analysts and there would be at least 5-6 players receiving votes. The 3 I mentioned would likely garner the majority.
Liar.
And you would argue with any of the 100 who didn't put Chase #1.
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Or in this case, it might be acccusing another poster of being “unable to read,” even though reading is a requirement to participating.
Again, I said you could dish it out but couldn't take it.
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I never said it was way over the line. I said you started it and then couldn't handle when it came back at you.
Dude, I tried to offer you a peace agreement then you cussed me out using 6 different expletives. And finished by calling me a whiny bitch. And a “liar,” which you have repeated 50x since Sunday. What did I lie about exactly, anyway?
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Giving someone shit about being unable to read didn’t rate the response you gave it. You talk similar shit all the time.
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Dude, I tried to offer you a peace agreement then you cussed me out using 6 different expletives. And finished by calling me a whiny bitch. And a “liar,” which you have repeated 50x since Sunday. What did I lie about exactly, anyway?
I do not remember, or see, any peace offering, but do see you calling me unhinged and a prick, among other things, and demanding that I point out where the word "prediction" was used in the article. And I responded, for better or for worse.
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Giving someone shit about being unable to read didn’t rate the response you gave it. You talk similar shit all the time.
I do talk shit like everyone else here.
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All I did was ask someone to provide some sort of evidence that it was a “predictive” poll. All I got was “2023.” Nowhere did it say “prediction poll,” or whatever. And even if it was a prediction poll, that would show that NFL players think more highly of Fields than most people here.
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I do not remember, or see, any peace offering, but do see you calling me unhinged and a prick, among other things, and demanding that I point out where the word "prediction" was used in the article. And I responded, for better or for worse.
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Yep, it’s so obvious I’m the entire problem.
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Yep, it’s so obvious I’m the entire problem.
You sent that today.
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You sent that today.
About 8 hours ago. If you were interested in peace you’d have answered. I usually wait an hour for a response from you max
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It’s so obvious I’m the ENTIRE problem.
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Tempo says it's obvious he's the entire problem.
Lol
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Tempo says it's obvious he's the entire problem.
Lol
Let it be noted that you posted.
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Oh man, this is great
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About 8 hours ago. If you were interested in peace you’d have answered. I usually wait an hour for a response form you max
I'm cool with it.
It seems obvious to me that you post things which people consider dismissive, that maybe you do not believe are dismissive, and then you get mad or shocked when they come back at you.
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All I did was ask someone to provide some sort of evidence that it was a “predictive” poll. All I got was “2023.” Nowhere did it say “prediction poll,” or whatever. And even if it was a prediction poll, that would show that NFL players think more highly of Fields than most people here.
It would at least show that they did think more highly of Fields last offseason than most of the people here do now.
If he'd looked like a top-100 NFL player so far this year we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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Y'all text eachother?
That's kind of cute.
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I think all of the usual suspects here are guilty of it.
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Y'all text eachother?
That's kind of cute.
Guess I thought I could talk candidly to him, but guess not.
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Watch your mouth - I've NEVER texted someone here.
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I think all of the usual suspects here are guilty of it.
Getting mad when people come back at them?
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Guess I thought I could talk candidly to him, but guess not.
I guess I'm mostly just surprised you had his phone number, although you've obviously always been a lot more forthcoming with your actual identity than I or most others here have.
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It would at least show that they did think more highly of Fields last offseason than most of the people here do now.
If he'd looked like a top-100 NFL player so far this year we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Well he did miss 4 games in the middle of the season when he was coming off two monster games. I know, I know the “disastrous” 6 for 10 HALF against Minnesota was a sure sign he’s a lost cause.
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I guess I'm mostly just surprised you had his phone number, although you've obviously always been a lot more forthcoming with your actual identity than I or most others here have.
Sometimes I haven’t had a choice in the matter.
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“It’s my fault I’m on Twitter.”
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Guess I thought I could talk candidly to him, but guess not.
I'm fine with it. Just don't get too mad if I snap back.
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It would at least show that they did think more highly of Fields last offseason than most of the people here do now.
If he'd looked like a top-100 NFL player so far this year we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Do you think it was a “predictive” poll?
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Sometimes I haven’t had a choice in the matter.
He got your phone number without you giving it to him?
He figured out who you were without you telling him?
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He got your phone number without you giving it to him?
He figured out who you were without you telling him?
LOL.
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Do you think it was a “predictive” poll?
I already answered that at least two or three times. Why would you want to have the same conversation again?
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Well he did miss 4 games in the middle of the season when he was coming off two monster games. I know, I know the “disastrous” 6 for 10 HALF against Minnesota was a sure sign he’s a lost cause.
Coming into the Washington game, he had a passer rating in the mid-80s. That includes by far his best passing game ever the week before.
Since the Washington game, he has a passer rating in the mid-80s.
For a turnaround, that's a mighty small sample size of actually good play.
And yes, he was bad in that first half against Minnesota. And also the entire second game against Minnesota. Those performances are not nearly good enough to keep him.
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He got your phone number without you giving it to him?
He figured out who you were without you telling him?
I’m talking about the time Jobu created an alt with a dick drawn to my mouth and outed half of my life by going back 3 months on my Twitter feed because he saw me post something on Twitter.
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I’m talking about the time Jobu created an alt with a dick drawn to my mouth and outed half of my life by going back 3 months on my Twitter feed because he saw me post something on Twitter.
But he only knew who you were on Twitter because you'd told him, and I assume PAMan got your phone number because you gave it to him. That's what I'm saying.
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Spark, PAMan wanted me to tell you he’s part of the “Deep State” Trump rails fan.
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Spark, PAMan wanted me to tell you he’s part of the “Deep State” Trump rails fan.
I have no clue what that means, but thanks.
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I'm actually curious, since we're talking about our real lives.
We've been arguing about sports shit and occasionally other shit for like 15 years. If someone asked you, 'tell me everything you know about spark mandrill's personal life away from Illini sports message boards,' what would you say?
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But he only knew who you were on Twitter because you'd told him, and I assume PAMan got your phone number because you gave it to him. That's what I'm saying.
I’m not sure I told him. He might have matched my picture to one I had here. I’m not sure I ever gave my info so much as was outed.
Regardless, he scrolled 3 months of Tweets to dig up shit on me then shared it.
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Yes I gave ThePAMan my number.
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Spark, PAMan wanted me to tell you he’s part of the “Deep State” Trump rails fan.
And that is how I "tracked down" your number...
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lol
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But he only knew who you were on Twitter because you'd told him, and I assume PAMan got your phone number because you gave it to him. That's what I'm saying.
I figured out who he was because he had a picture of himself as his avatar on the old HQ. Then, as I was reading comments on some shitty Danny Parkins post, there was Tempo commenting on it. Hell, he told everyone on old HQ that his name was Wayne. He made himself so easy to find, I found him and wasn’t even looking.
I’ve since apologized for the dox job. I’ve told him I won’t ever bring up his real identity again.
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Why did you go an tell him the truth? Would have fit his narrative that I was all evil, all the time, 24/7.
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Good to see we are at the kumbaya part of the argument
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I made myself so easy to find the natural course of action was to scroll my Twitter feed, share its contents and create an alt with my real name and real picture (with a penis drawn to my mouth). It was such an obvious course of action.
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I made myself so easy to find the natural course of action was to scroll my Twitter feed, share its contents and create an alt with my real name and real picture (with a penis drawn to my mouth). It was such an obvious course of action.
This is a guy who thinks faking his death is a good laugh. I can't feign surprise here.
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Good to see we are at the kumbaya part of the argument
Yeah, I was just gonna ask if we’re all “friends” again. Frenemies would definitely be more fitting, though.
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This is a guy who thinks faking his death is a good laugh. I can't feign surprise here.
Lol
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I made myself so easy to find the natural course of action was to scroll my Twitter feed, share its contents and create an alt with my real name and real picture (with a penis drawn to my mouth). It was such an obvious course of action.
Wow. We’re doing this again?
I already apologized. I’m not apologizing again. If you want to continuously bring it up, that’s on you. I was just explaining to Spark what happened. Nothing more.
I get it if you’re still pissed about it. I have no control over your feelings. I’ve said what I’ve said about it. If you want to go through it again, knock yourself out. You can talk to yourself about it
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This is a guy who thinks faking his death is a good laugh. I can't feign surprise here.
lol. Again, I’ve apologized for things I’ve said and/or done. If you guys want to stay pissed, do it. Ive done all I can do to make amends.
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Except, like, learn and stop being a dipshit.
I'm sure you've done everything else you can though. You sent me a PM.
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I figured out who he was because he had a picture of himself as his avatar on the old HQ. Then, as I was reading comments on some shitty Danny Parkins post, there was Tempo commenting on it. Hell, he told everyone on old HQ that his name was Wayne. He made himself so easy to find, I found him and wasn’t even looking.
I’ve since apologized for the dox job. I’ve told him I won’t ever bring up his real identity again.
Lol The cat is out of the bag on my identity, but I’m over it. I appreciate that you’ve apologized and I thought your apology was sincere.
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Lol The cat is out of the bag on my identity, but I’m over it. I appreciate that you’ve apologized and I thought your apology was sincere.
It was sincere. Most definitely.
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It was sincere. Most definitely.
I believed Tempo when he said it was sincere, but this made me question myself.
Mostly kidding. :) This post did make me chuckle though.
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Wow. We’re doing this again?
I already apologized. I’m not apologizing again. If you want to continuously bring it up, that’s on you. I was just explaining to Spark what happened. Nothing more.
I get it if you’re still pissed about it. I have no control over your feelings. I’ve said what I’ve said about it. If you want to go through it again, knock yourself out. You can talk to yourself about it
I wouldn’t have brought it up out of the blue, today is a unique day. We’re working out our issues. We are a dysfunctional family. Again, I was appreciative of your apology and I’m certain it was sincere.
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Except, like, learn and stop being a dipshit.
I'm sure you've done everything else you can though. You sent me a PM.
If you think I’m a dipshit, that’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it. I don’t agree, but hey, that’s what opinions are all about.
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I apologize for brining it up again, I was trying to explain to Spark that my “outing” wasn’t entirely self-driven.
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If you think I’m a dipshit, that’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it. I don’t agree, but hey, that’s what opinions are all about.
Just don’t have a non-consensus opinion on quarterback play or whether or not a poll is “predictive,” or not. Because that will earn you much scorn.
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I apologize for brining it up again, I was trying to explain to Spark that my “outing” wasn’t entirely self-driven.
No worries. That’s why I also posted, explaining basically the same thing.
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Just don’t have a non-consensus opinion on quarterback play or whether or not a poll is “predictive,” or not. Because that will earn you much scorn.
Lol
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Just don’t have a non-consensus opinion on quarterback play or whether or not a poll is “predictive,” or not. Because that will earn you much scorn.
Jesus Christ, you're insufferable.
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I’ll try not to bring it up again. Can’t promise though, lol. 😂
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FWIW, I'm glad Jobu apologized. That isn't always easy. I think Jobu, for the most part, is good hearted.
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Jesus Christ, you're insufferable.
I thought that was a benign comment, and not directed at any one particular person. Haven’t quarterback play and predictive polls not been the source of all our contention the last few days?
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FWIW, I'm glad Jobu apologized. That isn't always easy. I think Jobu, for the most part, is good hearted.
I do too. I’ve said it before, this is where most of us come to let our inner asshole out.
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FWIW, I'm glad Jobu apologized. That isn't always easy. I think Jobu, for the most part, is good hearted.
This is where the studio audience the show is being filmed live before goes "Awwwwwwwwwwww"
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Haven’t not have (in my previous post).
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This is become way too maudlin. Time for the Illini to fuck up a game with bad free shot shooting
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This is where the studio audience the show is being filmed live before goes "Awwwwwwwwwwww"
I laughed.
We’ve got about 8 regulars here. So this is our version of “Eight is Enough.” Maybe too many.
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This is become way too maudlin. Time for the Illini to fuck up a game with bad free shot shooting
Thanks for the reminder that they are on.
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FWIW, I'm glad Jobu apologized. That isn't always easy. I think Jobu, for the most part, is good hearted.
Keep that on the down low. I have an image to uphold.
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Don't worry, I don't think you're too goodhearted not to bring up how you faked your death for a laugh.
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Don't worry, I don't think you're too goodhearted not to bring up how you faked your death for a laugh.
Perfect
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Shit, I had it right the first time. I’m having a bad day using words.
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This won’t help the “Tempo only gets his takes from Twitter and The Score” narratives, but I agree with almost all of this.
https://x.com/deeksviewog/status/1732061098323365938?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Wanny said Flus has done a fantastic job with the defense and is an “excellent head coach.” That’s a debate for sure, but if they pick up a couple/three wins and the defense continues to show, I think he’s back.
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😬
https://x.com/polesplseat/status/1732467940589469738?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Anyone with a half a brain isn’t giving up on Bryce Young already.
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Anyone with a half a brain isn’t giving up on Bryce Young already.
Nobody is saying that. What they’re saying is Fields is comparable to him three years into his career, while Young is still a rookie. Do you not get that?!
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Nobody is saying that. What they’re saying is Fields is comparable to him three years into his career, while Young is still a rookie. Do you not get that?!
Again, I just woke up, but unless I’m mistaken he’s comparing stats from their rookies years. Unless it’s a trick poll.
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Anyone with a half a brain isn’t giving up on Bryce Young already.
Glad to see you say this.
I've seen a ton of Fields guys be like, "you guys are going to look stupid next year when we're stuck with a Bryce Young type!", and it's far too early to say something like that IMO.
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Nobody is saying that. What they’re saying is Fields is comparable to him three years into his career, while Young is still a rookie. Do you not get that?!
You're wrong.
Player B is Justin Fields' rookie year.
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So was listening to Waddle and Silvy while picking up my son from school and they talked about the fact that this is the first group of players to come out of the NIL era. They of course want NFL money, but don’t necessarily “need” it. But they talked about the importance of being “self-driven,” and not already comfortable with what they’ve done/made. So in other words, driving a Ferrari might not necessarily be a giant red flag, but it could be something makes your scouting department dig a little deeper.
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Ok you guys are correct and I misinterpreted the comparison. I was thinking it was him now to Young now. My apologies.
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As far as David Carr, I would rate his take overall a bad one, but he did make some interesting comments and it doesn’t sound quite as bad to me when taken in full context: 1) the comment on Hurts’ ability to read defenses made me Lol for obvious reasons 2) he’s right kind of right when he says the 49ers don’t seem to give a piss that Philly has home field advantage as they they throttled them in Philly on Sunday.
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JFC is religious as fuck. Maybe Tempo will make fun of him.
https://x.com/courtneyrcronin/status/1732507497691312207?s=46
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As far as David Carr, I would rate his take overall a bad one, but he did make some interesting comments and it doesn’t sound quite as bad to me when taken in full context: 1) the comment on Hurts’ ability to read defenses made me Lol for obvious reasons 2) he’s right kind of right when he says the 49ers don’t seem to give a piss that Philly has home field advantage as they they throttled them in Philly on Sunday.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mcgTfK2g/IMG-5819.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mcgTfK2g)
Isn't the Eagle rushing average down a half a yard versus last year? That the running game hasn't been as good, the second quarter point differential isn't as good as it was last year, and they just had a really tough schedule the past few weeks, the defense has not been as dominant, means the Eagle has not looked as sharp as they did last year. I'll still take the 10-2 record and expect them to shake out of it.
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As far as David Carr, I would rate his take overall a bad one, but he did make some interesting comments and it doesn’t sound quite as bad to me when taken in full context: 1) the comment on Hurts’ ability to read defenses made me Lol for obvious reasons 2) he’s right kind of right when he says the 49ers don’t seem to give a piss that Philly has home field advantage as they they throttled them in Philly on Sunday.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mcgTfK2g/IMG-5819.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mcgTfK2g)
Meant to post this in the “Other NFL” thread.
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JFC is religious as fuck. Maybe Tempo will make fun of him.
https://x.com/courtneyrcronin/status/1732507497691312207?s=46
I have no problem with people who find refuge in religion. I have a problem with people who think I should find refuge in their religion. I know and respect a lot of religious people. And btw I thought his comments today were very mature. Said he “doesn’t take the criticism personally and that he’s “blessed” because a million people would want to be in his position.” Very mature comments. Mature young man.
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Isn't the Eagle rushing average down a half a yard versus last year? That the running game hasn't been as good, the second quarter point differential isn't as good as it was last year, and they just had a really tough schedule the past few weeks, the defense has not been as dominant, means the Eagle has not looked as sharp as they did last year. I'll still take the 10-2 record and expect them to shake out of it.
Anything to add on Hurts’ ability to read defenses? Lol
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And actually, to be more specific I have a problem. With people who think I should live by their religion.
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Justin Fields isn’t trying to tell me how to live my life. He does him, I do me. I’m cool with that.
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I have no problem with people who find refuge in religion. I have a problem with people who think I should find refuge in their religion. I know and respect a lot of religious people. And btw I thought his comments today were very mature. Said he “doesn’t take the criticism personally and that he’s “blessed” because a million people would want to be in his position.” Very mature comments. Mature young man.
Let’s just hope he doesn’t drive a fancy car…
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Anything to add on Hurts’ ability to read defenses? Lol
I do not as I do not watch their games like I watch Bear games. I just remember that last year they they seemed to be up big at half a lot and that allegedly made things easy for him. That has not been the case this year. But they are 10-2.
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Let’s just hope he doesn’t drive a fancy car…
Or do too many ads.
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Justin Fields isn’t trying to tell me how to live my life. He does him, I do me. I’m cool with that.
There is a really good joke here but I'm trying to be a better online person....
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And actually, to be more specific I have a problem. With people who think I should live by their religion.
Serenity now!
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Let’s just hope he doesn’t drive a fancy car…
As usual, missing the point.
So I was on the way to the church with my kid to see Santa after his religious ed (I’m so hardcore anti-religion!), and Bleck and Adalla were talking about Williams. Said he’a a terrific player but not sure he’s “that guy” in the NFL and has shown an inclination to “pointing fingers” when things are going wrong (cue the PAMan!). Great when things are going well, though.
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Or do too many ads.
You’re out on him, so why are you defending him? You are the narrative king. Surprised you aren’t bashing Fields for doing Dunkin’ ads.
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So my position on religion is this: I am totally down with Jesus. I am totally down with those trying to live the Jesus lifestyle. What I’m not down with is the belief in old men in the sky doing magic tricks and not a fan of organized religion on the whole.
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What I’m not down with is the belief in old men in the sky doing magic tricks and not a fan of organized religion on the whole.
Elaborate this part. I got the deleted part…
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You’re out on him, so why are you defending him? You are the narrative king. Surprised you aren’t bashing Fields for doing Dunkin’ ads.
I think you missed the point/joke attempt
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I was told that Jalen Carter had character issues.
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So Spark, I’m not sure we’ve covered it; are you in or out on Ebeflus? Just curious.
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I have no problem with people who find refuge in religion. I have a problem with people who think I should find refuge in their religion. I know and respect a lot of religious people. And btw I thought his comments today were very mature. Said he “doesn’t take the criticism personally and that he’s “blessed” because a million people would want to be in his position.” Very mature comments. Mature young man.
We agree on this. I like Justin Fields.
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So Spark, I’m not sure we’ve covered it; are you in or out on Ebeflus? Just curious.
Out, barring a miraculous turnaround.
Of him, Getsy, and Fields I think Eberflus is the most likely to be back next year though.
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Out, barring a miraculous turnaround.
Of him, Getsy, and Fields I think Eberflus is the most likely to be back next year though.
Gonna be a stickler here. What constitutes “miraculous?” If he goes 3-2 with no blowout losses, I bet he’s back. And I agree, he’s the most likely to be back. I have a really hard time envisioning Getsy being back.
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Spark, what do you make of the last 8 games and the defenses’ apparent improvement.
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Gonna be a stickler here. What constitutes “miraculous?” If he goes 3-2 with no blowout losses, I bet he’s back. And I agree, he’s the most likely to be back. I have a really hard time envisioning Getsy being back.
Whether I would keep him and whether he will be kept are entirely different things. I think he'll probably come back if he goes 3-2, but I wouldn't bring him back.
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Whether I would keep him and whether he will be kept are entirely different things. I think he'll probably come back if he goes 3-2, but I wouldn't bring him back.
Yes, I was asking for your opinion not prediction. Thank you.
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Interesting Caleb Williams stuff here. Funny that we’re talking about going from Justin Fields to a guy with a very similar playing style. “Not great in structure, great out of structure.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg-UGPb_JRk
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As a reminder: Dan Orlovsky openly questioned Fields' maturity and work ethic before the draft, or the Bears may never have gotten him.
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Ok, that's fine, but he's not saying anything that a bunch of others aren't saying. That he's probably closer to 5'11, that he's great out of structure, in structure not as much. I've heard this from many sources. He's basically a less athletic Justin Fields, and I'll even say he might be the better passer if you want me to, but I'm not sure that's a given.
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He's basically a smaller, less athletic version of Justin Fields.
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And we no longer have questions about Fields' work ethic or maturity.
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If we're going by college performance, Justin Fields was the most accurate passer in the PFF era (for whatever that's worth).
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https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-chicago-bears-justin-fields-most-accurate-quarteback-ohio-state-pff-college-era#:~:text=As%20we%27ve%20learned%20throughout,is%20especially%20true%20for%20quarterbacks.
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Lol IDK FML
Fields was by far the most accurate quarterback of the five first-round signal-callers. (Note that this doesn’t mean Trevor Lawrence isn’t good just because his CPOE isn’t high. There are many other factors that make a good NFL quarterback, and CPOE is just one of them). In fact, Fields was the only quarterback to have a plus-10.0% or greater CPOE season in both 2019 and 2020 (minimum of 200 passes in both seasons):
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Take it for what it’s worth. Article link in first comment below. Just figured I’d post it here to discuss…
https://x.com/chicago_nfl/status/1732791413530923280?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Take it for what it’s worth. Article link in first comment below. Just figured I’d post it here to discuss…
https://x.com/chicago_nfl/status/1732791413530923280?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
He’s been saying that for weeks, if not longer. Same guy who doubted the Bears could get anything for last years’ #1 pick.
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He makes Hub Arkush look like a hot take machine.
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And we no longer have questions about Fields' work ethic or maturity.
You sure?
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You sure?
Yeah, I’m not aware of anyone but you who questions it.
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He makes Hub Arkush look like a hot take machine.
Biggs is also the same guy who blasted the “lose out crowd,” for being shortsighted when the Bears were already like 3-10 last year.
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Yeah, I’m not aware of anyone but you who questions it.
Well, he still cannot read defenses and complains when coaches try to coach him up, so there is that. Again, trust all factual content from PAMan/Woman/They. It is the stuff I make up you should ignore.
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Biggs is also the same guy who blasted the “lose out crowd,” for being shortsighted when the Bears were already like 3-10 last year.
It is going so well this year, isn't it?
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It is going so well this year, isn't it?
We just have to be patient
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We just have to be patient
Yeah this doesn’t count. Or does it yet?!
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Should've just kept Mitch. Lifetime winning record.
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I would t be surprised if the Bears front office is telling media all kinds of made up stuff to throw out there in the news. They absolutely want all kinds of misinformation out there right now with the projected #1 pick so other teams wonder. The worst thing is to let other teams know which way you’re gonna go. Whatever way that really is…
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I would t be surprised if the Bears front office is telling media all kinds of made up stuff to throw out there in the news. They absolutely want all kinds of misinformation out there right now with the projected #1 pick so other teams wonder. The worst thing is to let other teams know which way you’re gonna go. Whatever way that really is…
Are you suggesting Tempo is on the Bear Misinformation Brigade payroll?
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I know nuance isn’t your guys’ specialty, but once the team started getting healthier they are 4-4 (and should be 6-2) in their last 8. That’s clear progress.
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I would t be surprised if the Bears front office is telling media all kinds of made up stuff to throw out there in the news. They absolutely want all kinds of misinformation out there right now with the projected #1 pick so other teams wonder. The worst thing is to let other teams know which way you’re gonna go. Whatever way that really is…
Of course. We went through this same exact scenario last year. They are not going to broadcast to the world their intentions, and if anything, they want everyone to believe they will draft a QB.
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Should've just kept Mitch. Lifetime winning record.
Too obvious a troll effort.
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I know nuance isn’t your guys’ specialty, but once the team started getting healthier they are 4-4 (and should be 6-2) in their last 8. That’s clear progress.
How should they be 6-2?
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Too obvious a troll effort.
They could have kept him in case the QB they drafted didn't work out as hoped
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We just have to be patient
Sorry they weren’t a winning team out of the gate while incorporating a lot of 1st and 2nd year players with a multitude of free agents, all while battling extensive preseason and early season injuries.
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After 50 starts, I think we’d seen Trubisky’s ceiling, and time has proven he’s a backup.
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Sorry they weren’t a winning team out of the gate while incorporating a lot of 1st and 2nd year players with a multitude of free agents, all while battling extensive preseason and early season injuries.
And bad QB play
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After 50 starts, I think we’d seen Trubisky’s ceiling, and time has proven he’s a backup.
Yeah, but if the drafted QB wasn't any good, Mitch would be competing for the starting job.
This is what you are advocating for Fields and the next QB they draft.
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Sorry they weren’t a winning team out of the gate while incorporating a lot of 1st and 2nd year players with a multitude of free agents, all while battling extensive preseason and early season injuries.
I remember a game about 6 weeks ago where our whole secondary was 3rd stringers. And they didn’t play that badly IIRC.
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Dying quail INT from Trubs!
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Trubisky about to get benched for the 3rd stringer lol
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Take it for what it’s worth. Article link in first comment below. Just figured I’d post it here to discuss…
https://x.com/chicago_nfl/status/1732791413530923280?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Did you see his brilliant take when he mocked the idea of drafting MHJ because “they already have a problem getting the ball to Darnell Mooney?”
There’s no Bears best reporter whose opinions I value less than Brad Biggs. Seems like he turns out to be wrong on everything.
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https://omny.fm/shows/wscr-0003/biggs-says-bears-wont-take-harrison-jr-because-moo
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Of course. We went through this same exact scenario last year. They are not going to broadcast to the world their intentions, and if anything, they want everyone to believe they will draft a QB.
I definitely agree that whether or not they plan to draft a QB (and the truth is they probably don't know yet themselves), the smart move is to make everyone believe that's the plan.
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I’m still in the camp that you can win big without a big time expensive QB. Spend the money in the trenches and select skill positions to compliment the core.
Long term franchise QBs are a needle in a haystack. Doesn’t matter how good your QB is if he has no time to throw and gets banged up a lot. Aaron Rodgers is the exception that proves the rule. He’s won one Super Bowl in 19 seasons, the same as Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahon.
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I definitely agree that whether or not they plan to draft a QB (and the truth is they probably don't know yet themselves), the smart move is to make everyone believe that's the plan.
Not to suck Troy Aikman’s cock again, but he said he believes they probably already know and I have no reason not to believe him. Of course, it could probably way or the other, depending on the last five games.
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What I mean by that is if he plays really really well or really poorly could potentially swing the pendulum, but I’d be willing to bet they already think they know what they will do
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I very much doubt they’ve shared their plans with Troy Aikman. He doesn’t know what they’ll do any more than you do.
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I’m still in the camp that you can win big without a big time expensive QB. Spend the money in the trenches and select skill positions to compliment the core.
Long term franchise QBs are a needle in a haystack. Doesn’t matter how good your QB is if he has no time to throw and gets banged up a lot. Aaron Rodgers is the exception that proves the rule. He’s won one Super Bowl in 19 seasons, the same as Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahon.
(https://static.www.nfl.com/image/private/t_headshot_desktop/league/rnzt7iobyak7at4wf6uf)
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I very much doubt they’ve shared their plans with Troy Aikman. He doesn’t know what they’ll do any more than you do.
Who the hell said they “shared their plans with Troy Aikman?” Stop twisting my words…
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Not to suck Troy Aikman’s cock again, but he said he believes they probably already know and I have no reason not to believe him. Of course, it could probably way or the other, depending on the last five games.
“He said he BELIEVES” not “The Bears told him.”
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I’m still in the camp that you can win big without a big time expensive QB. Spend the money in the trenches and select skill positions to compliment the core.
Long term franchise QBs are a needle in a haystack. Doesn’t matter how good your QB is if he has no time to throw and gets banged up a lot. Aaron Rodgers is the exception that proves the rule. He’s won one Super Bowl in 19 seasons, the same as Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahon.
The three best teams in the league right now are SF, Philly, and KC. They all built their rosters first, then found the quarterback.
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I’m sure you got tripped up on the “and I have no reason not to believe him,” but I never said the Bears told him what they were going to do. He merely said that they’ve probably already made up their mind.
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I’m still in the camp that you can win big without a big time expensive QB. Spend the money in the trenches and select skill positions to compliment the core.
Long term franchise QBs are a needle in a haystack. Doesn’t matter how good your QB is if he has no time to throw and gets banged up a lot. Aaron Rodgers is the exception that proves the rule. He’s won one Super Bowl in 19 seasons, the same as Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahon.
Re: Rodgers. Another franchise that already had the core, then added in the quarterback who famously fell to the 20somethingth pick.
Chump edit: 24th
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Remember when Troy Aikman said MVP Mitch was the man for the Bear?
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Not to suck Troy Aikman’s cock again, but he said he believes they probably already know and I have no reason not to believe him. Of course, it could probably way or the other, depending on the last five games.
You said “Aikman said he believes they know, and I have no reason not to believe him.”
The reason not to believe him is that he doesn’t have any clue, and is guessing just like you and I are.
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“He said he BELIEVES” not “The Bears told him.”
I think the “I see no reason not to believe him” comment made me think you were claiming some special knowledge from Aikman.
He is guessing. There is no more reason to believe him than disbelieve him. He doesn’t know, and neither do we.
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Brad Biggs actually knows more about the inside of Halas Hall than Troy Aikman…
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I’m sure you got tripped up on the “and I have no reason not to believe him,” but I never said the Bears told him what they were going to do. He merely said that they’ve probably already made up their mind.
I can say “the Bears definitely have no clue what they’re going to do,” with exactly the same amount of authority as Troy Aikman can say the opposite. He doesn’t have any idea, and neither do I.
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You said “Aikman said he believes they know, and I have no reason not to believe him.”
The reason not to believe him is that he doesn’t have any clue, and is guessing just like you and I are.
JFC
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I can say “the Bears definitely have no clue what they’re going to do,” with exactly the same amount of authority as Troy Aikman can say the opposite. He doesn’t have any idea, and neither do I.
JFC
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He also explicitly said he didn’t know what they would do. He merely said he felt they likely already know. FFS
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Absolutely nowhere did I say he knew.
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You said “Aikman said he believes they know, and I have no reason not to believe him.”
The reason not to believe him is that he doesn’t have any clue, and is guessing just like you and I are.
It truly baffles me that you constantly accuse me of twisting what you say, then come back with stuff like this. He BELIEVES they PROBABLY already know. It’s not a controversial statement, and he’s not saying he absolutely knows. He’s not even saying he thinks they know what they will do one way or the other. He just said they LIKELY already have made a decision. In no way did he say he knows.
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Tempo is trying to convince us that Troy Aikman talks like Tempo.
Troy said that he thinks the Bears probably likely know what they're gonna likely probably do, and he believes that it's likely that they probably, most likely know.
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JFC
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Lol
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Absolutely nowhere did I say “the Bears have shared their plans with Troy Aikman,” which was Spark’s initial beef.
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It’s exactly the kind of twisting of words Spark accuses me of.
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You're the victim of a huge injustice. No question about it.
I think Spark owes you an apology.
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You're the victim of a huge injustice. No question about it.
I think Spark owes you an apology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME&t=11s
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You're the victim of a huge injustice. No question about it.
I think Spark owes you an apology.
JFC
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JFC
What is there to 'believe'?
He was giving his totally unevidenced, unsupported opinion.
I believe he thinks the Bears have made up their mind too, I guess, but he doesn't know anything you and I don't so who gives a shit what he believes?
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It’s exactly the kind of twisting of words Spark accuses me of.
How so?
Be specific. I provided multiple specific examples that you ignored.
You said "you tend to believe him". He doesn't know shit. What is there to believe or disbelieve?
I believe that's his opinion. There's nothing else there to believe or not believe. He has no idea.
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It truly baffles me that you constantly accuse me of twisting what you say, then come back with stuff like this. He BELIEVES they PROBABLY already know. It’s not a controversial statement, and he’s not saying he absolutely knows. He’s not even saying he thinks they know what they will do one way or the other. He just said they LIKELY already have made a decision. In no way did he say he knows.
Well you said that you believe him right?
What did you believe him about?
That he thinks with no knowledge that the Bears may have already decided what they're going to do?
Legitimately don't understand the gripe here. What did you believe Troy Aikman about?
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Here's the direct quote. No way to misconstrue.
"Not to suck Troy Aikman’s cock again, but he said he believes they probably already know and I have no reason not to believe him."
What did you mean about "no reason not to believe him"? You believe that he believes they probably already know?
I believe that he believes that too, but given he has no idea I don't find that relevant. That's why I read your post the way I did. "I have no reason not to believe that he believes they probably already know" is a sentence that doesn't mean a fucking thing and I assumed you were trying to say something. My bad, I guess, for assuming.
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JFC
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Good talk as always bud.
If you'd like to explain what you believed re: Aikman's comments, go on ahead. If I misunderstood your point, I apologize.
If your point was to say "He believes this with no evidence, and I believe he believes it" then fair enough - that isn't a thing I would find worth posting, personally, but to each their own.
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I even fucking pointed out what I said that probably “tripped you up.” All I said is that he said they probably already have their minds made up, and I was trying to say that sounds logical. At no point did I say The Bears told him what they were going to do. And that isn’t what he was saying at all. He specifically said he didn’t know, but that he’d seen enough to stick with Fields, at least for now.
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He was giving his educated opinion. Sorry if I said something that might have tripped you up (and pointed it out a page ago).
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But at no point did I say the Bears told him what they were doing.
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I even fucking pointed out what I said that probably “tripped you up.” All I said is that he said they probably already have their minds made up, and I was trying to say that sounds logical. At no point did I say The Bears told him what they were going to do. And that isn’t what he was saying at all. He specifically said he didn’t know, but that he’d seen enough to stick with Fields, at least for now.
Okay.
I believe that he believes it too. He just has no way of knowing, so him believing it or me believing he believes it aren't things that are really relevant or valuable. That's what tripped me up - there's obviously no reason not to believe his unevidenced opinion is actually something he believes.
I'm not some fan of Brad Biggs or anything, but you've got to admit it's kind of funny that you've latched onto Aikman, who has no way of knowing what the Bears are thinking, but totally disregarded Biggs, who is a Bears beat guy and assumedly actually does have sources with some level of knowledge what the Bears are thinking.
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What is there to 'believe'?
He was giving his totally unevidenced, unsupported opinion.
I believe he thinks the Bears have made up their mind too, I guess, but he doesn't know anything you and I don't so who gives a shit what he believes?
Sorry I used the word “believe,” I will try to do better to use exactly the proper word in every situation from on. And again, at no point did I say The Bears told him what they were doing. Which was your initial beef. I said “he believes,” which I thought should be pretty explanatory.
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But at no point did I say the Bears told him what they were doing.
Surely you see why I read the post that way. I believe he believes what he said too - I'm not sure why he'd say it otherwise - that just isn't really relevant.
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I never once said he fucking KNEW. JFC
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Sorry I used the word “believe,” I will try to do better to use exactly the proper word in every situation from on. And again, at no point did I say The Bears told him what they were doing. Which was your initial beef. I said “he believes,” which I thought should be pretty explanatory.
But again, what tripped me up is that you made a comment about whether YOU believed Aikman. I believe he believes what he said too, we're in agreement on that. It's just a weird comment.
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I’m pretty sure I even pointed it out a few days ago that he specifically said he DIDNT know, he just he got the feeling they like Fields based on conversations he’s had.
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I never once said he fucking KNEW. JFC
Then what did you believe him about? You made it clear you saw no reason not to believe him. About what specifically? Can you clarify that?
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He specifically said he didn’t know, and that they wouldn’t tell him if they did. He was just giving an educated guess that they probably already know what they will do.
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He specifically said he didn’t know, and that they wouldn’t tell them. He was just giving an educated guess that they probably already know what they will do.
So what do you "see no reason not to believe him" about, specifically?
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I will say, I would be very surprised if they truly knew what they were going to do and it didn't at all depend on how the rest of the season goes.
It's possible, but that would be shocking (and pretty poor management) IMO.
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Then what did you believe him about? You made it clear you saw no reason not to believe him. About what specifically? Can you clarify that?
Sorry, I should have used a better phrase than “I believe him.” But I thought I was pretty clear on what I was saying. I’ll try to say it better. I think his OPINION that they probably already know what they will do is a valid one. Better???
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Sorry, I should have used a better phrase than “I believe him.” But I thought I was pretty clear on what I was saying. I’ll try to say it better. I think his OPINION that they probably already know what they will do is a valid one. Better???
Sure. It's as valid as you or me saying that they probably don't know what they will do.
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I will say, I would be very surprised if they truly knew what they were going to do and it didn't at all depend on how the rest of the season goes.
It's possible, but that would be shocking (and pretty poor management) IMO.
I would guess a dramatic shift one way or the other could swing things (plays great/plays terrible), but I put credence in the notion they already likely know what they will do.
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I would guess a dramatic shift one way or the other could swing things (plays great/plays terrible), but I put credence in the notion they already likely know what they will do.
Based on what?
Wouldn't that be pretty poor management?
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As Olin Kreutz points out ALL THE TIME. It’s hard to truly evaluate people when you aren’t in the building on a daily basis. Ryan Poles and management are. They see work habits, practice habits, leadership, lots of stuff that we don’t see but only judge from a distance. I’m sure their evaluation will involve more than just how he plays the next 5 games. Or even what’s happened in the past. That’s a large part of it, but it’s still only part of it.
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If they've already decided whether to keep him based on stuff other than how he's played, they're probably not the right people to be in charge. JMO.
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Let’s just say if he’s “fine,” the next 5 games they probably know what they will do. If he’s great or terrible, perhaps that swings the pendulum.
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I'll also say that if him being "fine" the next 5 games is good enough to keep him and pass on taking a shot at one of the top QB prospects, they're also probably not the right people.
Again, JMO.
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My opinion is that the Bears FO probably doesn't know what they will do this offseason yet, for the record.
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I'll also say that if him being "fine" the next 5 games is good enough to keep him and pass on taking a shot at one of the top QB prospects, they're also probably not the right people.
Again, JMO.
Again, we do not have a front seat as to what happens in the building the other 6 days a week. That matters too. It’s pretty funny that you think your opinion is the only valid one. Because that sure seems to be the impression I get. You have not given credence to any opinion but yours so far as I can tell.
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My opinion is that the Bears FO probably doesn't know what they will do this offseason yet, for the record.
It’s totally possible. And again, credible people think it could be the opposite.
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Again, we do not have a front seat as to what happens in the building the other 6 days a week. That matters too. It’s pretty funny that you think your opinion is the only valid one. Because that sure seems to be the impression I get. You have not given credence to any opinion but yours so far as I can tell.
I don't think my opinion is the only valid one. I stated my opinion. Should I not?
Seems an awful lot like your "we don't have a front seat as to what happens in the building the other 6 days a week" comment is meant to invalidate my opinion, no? Am I not allowed to have the opinion I have simply because I don't see what happens on the days Fields doesn't play an NFL game?
I don't know that I need to see what happens in the building the other 6 days a week to determine whether I think Fields being "fine" for five more weeks is enough to hold onto him. Only one of the 7 days a week really matters, and that's when they play the game.
He could be Joe Montana in practice with elite work ethic and leadership, but if he doesn't produce in the games then keeping him is a mistake.
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It’s totally possible. And again, credible people think it could be the opposite.
And credible people also agree with me. So that's where we're at.
A lot of people who have no way of knowing at all what the Bears FO are thinking have conflicting opinions about what the Bears FO are thinking.
Maybe Rees Woodcock could write an article about that.
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I am not trying to invalidate your opinion. I’m trying to impress on you that other opinions matter, too. You seem very dismissive of any opinion that isn’t yours.
Let’s say Justin is ok, not great, not terrible the last 5 games. Which is the most likely scenario. I’m sure Poles, Eberflus, etc have opinions on Fields that include more information than we are privy to. Do they feel he’s reached his ceiling? Do they love his work ethic and his leadership? Do they feel he will continue to improve if they continue to build around him? None of this is knowable to you. And you are pretty much completely discounting it by what your mostly untrained eyes see on Sundays and on stat sheets.
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And credible people also agree with me. So that's where we're at.
A lot of people who have no way of knowing at all what the Bears FO are thinking have conflicting opinions about what the Bears FO are thinking.
Maybe Rees Woodcock could write an article about that.
Right, and I’m betting Aikman has been around an NFL GM or two and knows how they generally function.
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I'm not dismissive, I just disagree with them. That's what an opinion is, after all. I would say that comment about "being in the building 6 days a week" is far more dismissive of my opinion than I've been about anyone else's, your own sensitivity notwithstanding.
I'm saying that if they decide to keep a QB who has been mediocre to bad thus far because he is "fine" the last 5 games - plus they see him working hard at practice - that would be a mistake IMO. I'm not invalidating - or even critiquing - anyone else's opinion whatsoever, I'm stating my own.
My opinion doesn't even matter, those other guys have to make the decision. I just reserve the right to have my own opinion based on his performance in the actual games, and that seems to upset you.
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Right, and I’m betting Aikman has been around an NFL GM or two and knows how they generally function.
How is this relevant?
Do you think it makes his opinion more relevant than mine despite him having an identical level of visibility into the Bears FO's thought processes to me?
Was his opinion more credible than yours when he said Trubisky was a franchise QB, or is it only credible now that he's saying something you agree with? He had been around the NFL and seen good QBs at that point too.
You're back to pretending my opinion is invalid because a guy who played QB 20 30 years ago and has been wrong about countless things said something you agree with.
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I'm actually curious on this. In terms of who probably has a better grasp on what the Bears FO is thinking, do you think it's Brad Biggs or Troy Aikman? One of them agrees with you, and the other one doesn't.
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I can pretty much guarantee you that what they see in the building the other 6 days of the week is part of the evaluation process, and we shave no way of knowing what Poles thinks about what goes on there.
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You can "pretty much guarantee" whatever you'd like.
My opinion is that if they decide to keep him because of things he's doing on the 6 days of the week he doesn't play a game, rather than the one he does, that is a mistake. That cool with you?
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I'm actually curious on this. In terms of who probably has a better grasp on what the Bears FO is thinking, do you think it's Brad Biggs or Troy Aikman? One of them agrees with you, and the other one doesn't.
Brad Biggs has been wrong on a lot of stuff. He had the Bears drafting Jalen Carter (even at 9), So maybe he’s not as connected as you think. Maybe he’s running a disinformation campaign for them?
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You didn't answer the question, I noticed.
Who is more likely to have visibility into the Bears FO's thinking? Biggs or Troy Aikman?
Troy Aikman has also been wrong about a lot of stuff, but you seem to think him agreeing with you lends your opinion some kind of weight.
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Lol JFC
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Neither opinion is necessarily MORE LIKELY to be right than the other.
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It's an extremely simple question. The fact that you refuse to answer it tells me something too though.
I don't know which of those two guys is right. I think the guy whose job it is to have sources in the Bears organization probably has more visibility into their thought processes than the guy whose job it isn't, but that could be false too.
I think it's kind of silly to latch onto the opinion of one guy who has no way to know - and was notably wrong literally the last time we were in this situation - in an effort to validate your own opinion and invalidate the opinions of people who disagree with you, but it obviously fits.
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Neither opinion is necessarily MORE LIKELY to be right than the other.
That wasn't what I asked.
It's not, like, a complicated question.
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Hub Arkush as far as I know doesn’t claim to know, I don’t know why Biggs would. He’s not “The Annointed One,” by any stretch.
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Hub Arkush as far as I know doesn’t claim to know, I don’t know why Biggs would. He’s not “The Annointed One,” by any stretch.
Nor did I say he was, or say a word about Hub Arkush.
You are still avoiding the question I asked.
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I think Biggs is offering his opinion. I’d bet you could find other beat reporters who don’t necessarily agree.
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Still avoiding the question.
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Biggs has been wrong before. And always has a stick in the mud take. Like when he blasted the “lost out crowd.” I’ll bet Ryan Poles is kind of glad they lost out.
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If Brad Biggs were so connected maybe he’d have known that the Bears were so against the idea of taking Carter that they’d essentially trade him for a 5th round pick.
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In one way, the fact that you’ve posted 6-8 times and completely avoided the simple question I asked is an answer in itself.
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Are you waiting for me to say that Brad Biggs “FOR SURE!” knows better? Because I’m not sure he does. You know Aikman doesn’t just show up on Sunday and call the games, right? He has meetings and discussions with GMs and coaches. I’m not saying he’s “as connected!” As Brad Biggs, but Brad Biggs has been wrong before, and seems to always give the standard default type of reporting. “Gotta win a game so you can learn how to win!” “Not sure the Bears will get much for the 1st pick…”
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Are you waiting for me to say that Brad Biggs “FOR SURE!” knows better? Because I’m not sure he does. You know Aikman doesn’t just show up on Sunday and call the games, right? He has meetings and discussions with GMs and coaches. I’m not saying he’s “as connected!” As Brad Biggs, but Brad Biggs has been wrong before, and seems to always give the standard default type of reporting. “Gotta win a game so you can learn how to win!” “Not sure the Bears will get much for the 1st pick…”
I asked the question I wanted to ask. You still haven’t answered. You’ve replied about 10 times, but steadfastly avoided the direct question I asked.
Again, in one way that is an answer.
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What the Hell is the question? Does Brad Biggs know more than Troy Aikman? I’m not sure he does.
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He might know more about the roster, but I’m not sure his insight into Ryan Poles’ head is any greater.
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And for the 14th time, Aikman never said or implied he knows what will happen with Fields.
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I'm actually curious on this. In terms of who probably has a better grasp on what the Bears FO is thinking, do you think it's Brad Biggs or Troy Aikman? One of them agrees with you, and the other one doesn't.
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And for the 14th time, Aikman never said or implied he knows what will happen with Fields.
I just think it’s kind of funny how you used his opinion to validate your own, but completely handwave the Bears beat writer’s because he doesn’t agree with you.
For the record, I don’t think my opinion is any more or less valid because it agrees or disagrees with either guy in question. Same with yours. Troy Aikman agreeing with you, or Brad Biggs not agreeing with you, do not move the needle. You are the one trying to validate his opinion via opinions in the media.
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What would you have said in Trubisky’s third year if I’d been like, well Troy Aikman thinks he’s a franchise guy and I’d think he knows a little bit about playing QB.
Would that have affected your opinion of Trubisky?
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I just think it’s kind of funny how you used his opinion to validate your own, but completely handwave the Bears beat writer’s because he doesn’t agree with you.
For the record, I don’t think my opinion is any more or less valid because it agrees or disagrees with either guy in question. Same with yours. Troy Aikman agreeing with you, or Brad Biggs not agreeing with you, do not move the needle. You are the one trying to validate his opinion via opinions in the media.
I’m not saying one is vastly more credible than the other, so I don’t know what you’re getting at.
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What would you have said in Trubisky’s third year if I’d been like, well Troy Aikman thinks he’s a franchise guy and I’d think he knows a little bit about playing QB.
Would that have affected your opinion of Trubisky?
You entirely miss the point of why I bring that up. You seem pretty firmly in the camp that the Bears must move on from Fields. I’m just pointing out that some credible voices feel otherwise, that’s it. Nothing more, nothing less. Neither opinion is way better than the other. Make of that what you will.
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Do you really think my point was “we shouldn’t move on from Fields because Troy Aikman says they shouldn’t?” Lol
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I think the point was to validate your own opinion by finding some well-known credible voice agreeing with it, yeah.
Which is why I asked whether Troy Aikman's opinion was as credible when he didn't agree with you.
I feel like if I'd said that at the time you'd still be talking about it.
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So Brad Biggs is Jay Mariotti now.
Hilarious
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I think the point was to validate your own opinion by finding some well-known credible voice agreeing with it, yeah.
ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO WAS SHOW THAT THERE IS MORE THAN ONE VALID OPINION.
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So Brad Biggs is Jay Mariotti now.
Hilarious
Do better.
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Lol
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ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO WAS SHOW THAT THERE IS MORE THAN ONE VALID OPINION.
That was never at issue, though.
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Spark, you have pretty much gone out of your way to give any credence to the BELIEF that the Bears should keep Fields.
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That was never at issue, though.
Yes it was. I have said multiple times the case to move on from Fields is understandable. Have you ever conceded the case to keep him is the same? If so, I missed it.
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Spark, you have pretty much gone out of your way to give any credence to the BELIEF that the Bears should keep Fields.
I don't know what this means.
Based on what I've seen so far, I don't believe the Bears should keep Fields. Some people agree with me.
You and others don't. I've never said that's invalid, I just don't agree with you. That's okay.
In what way would I "give credence" to that belief? It's a valid belief, I just don't agree with it.
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Yes it was. I have said multiple times the case to move on from Fields is understandable. Have you ever conceded the case to keep him is the same? If so, I missed it.
I don't really find it understandable, no, but that doesn't mean it's not a valid opinion or won't happen.
I see the talent with Fields, obviously, I just think in the situation the Bears are in giving him a fourth year is a mistake. For all the talent he has rarely been a good NFL quarterback.
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Well that’s all it took, because every time I tried to make the case they could/should stick with him you mentioned you’d “seen enough, and no amount of excuses or whatever else” could make you reconsider.
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He'd have to be pretty damn good these last 5 games for me to think they should keep him, yeah.
Certainly better than he's been for a 5 game stretch so far in his career.
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But multiple people at the HQ2 have seen enough.
(https://i.postimg.cc/wMQYCmqX/IMG-5858.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bSr5bd2r)
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He talks about Fields about halfway through.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsBpE1em4zs
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And I’m not saying Roquan is the ultimate authority on what to do with Fields, but again, saying “I’ve seen enough (outside of 5 really terrific games to end the season) might be totally discounting what people like Ryan Poles, Matt Eberflus, and Roquan Smith have seen on a daily basis (and not just on game day and the stat sheet).
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I'm comfortable disagreeing with some well-known football guys (and agreeing with others), but if you want me to pretend to agree with you I will.
At the end of the day, what matters is how he plays in the actual games.
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But again, as Kreutz would say; part of the evaluation process for management is: do they like his work ethic, do they like the way he prepares, do they like his leadership, do they see improvement on daily/weekly basis (that fans might not see), do they think he’ll be better when the roster is upgraded further? That all goes into the evaluation. Maybe Poles isn’t finished with “the excuses tour?” It’s possible. And unknowable to us. Unless you’re Brad Biggs apparently.
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All of that stuff is great, but only to the degree that it helps him perform on game day.
If he doesn't, that stuff doesn't matter.
I like that you've latched onto Brad Biggs. That's funny.
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All of that stuff is great, but only to the degree that it helps him perform on game day.
If he doesn't, that stuff doesn't matter.
I like that you've latched onto Brad Biggs. That's funny.
It’s foolish to think that day to day things don’t matter to Ryan Poles. It’ll be part again I emphasize part of the evaluation.
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You’re the one that latched on to Brad Biggs because apparently his word is practically gospel
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You’re the one that latched on to Brad Biggs because apparently his word is practically gospel
You’re among the most full of shit humans alive.
I didn’t bring up Brad Biggs, Judy did. I just thought it was funny that Troy Aikman was your touchstone while you completely disregarded the Bears beat writer.
And now you’re going to do the Tempo chihuahua thing where you bring up Brad Biggs to lie about me for the next decade
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It’s foolish to think that day to day things don’t matter to Ryan Poles. It’ll be part again I emphasize part of the evaluation.
Again, I’m sure they do to the extent that they help him play well.
If someone working hard was enough to pay them $100m to be an NFL QB there’d be way fewer busts. He has to perform. It’s unreal that’s even controversial.
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You’re among the most full of shit humans alive.
I didn’t bring up Brad Biggs, Judy did. I just thought it was funny that Troy Aikman was your touchstone while you completely disregarded the Bears beat writer.
And now you’re going to do the Tempo chihuahua thing where you bring up Brad Biggs to lie about me for the next decade
For 50th time, I don’t “disregard,” anything. I have fully acknowledged that there’s a good chance the Bears move on from Fields. I just don’t see why Brad Biggs thinking it moves the needle. He’s been wrong before. How many times do I have to say that I get that there’s a better chance he’s gone than he returns (but I think it’s closer than maybe some think)?
Having said that, I get that Spark from HQ2 is unimpressed with Justin Fields, I just think it might/possibly could be a mistake to assume Ryan Poles is equally as unimpressed.
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Who’s the one harping on “insider” Brad Biggs? Not me. The ONLY FUCKING THING I have tried to impress on you is that I don’t think anyone outside of Poles’ inner circle knows or even thinks they know with a degree of certainty what they will do. And that both sides of the coin are valid opinions, because I think this is a closer decision than some Fields detractors are thinking it is. That’s my OPINION.
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Yes, I cited Troy Aikman (who seems to see things the way I see them). Are you asking me over and over about Brad Biggs if he’s spouting an opinion different from yours? See how that works? It’s works both ways, right?
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Again, I’m sure they do to the extent that they help him play well.
If someone working hard was enough to pay them $100m to be an NFL QB there’d be way fewer busts. He has to perform. It’s unreal that’s even controversial.
My point is “playing well” according to Spark and according to Ryan Poles might not be the same thing? What if he’s more impressed by his last 5 games than you are? Is that not a possibility?
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FTR, id “prefer” that Biggs didn’t have that opinion, but I’m not going to treat his reporting as fact. Because I’m not convinced it is. As a Fields supporter, sure, I’d rather hear Brad Biggs say he’s confident Fields will be back. But Biggs’ reporting isn’t the be all/end all.
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For 50th time, I don’t “disregard,” anything. I have fully acknowledged that there’s a good chance the Bears move on from Fields. I just don’t see why Brad Biggs thinking it moves the needle. He’s been wrong before. How many times do I have to say that I get that there’s a better chance he’s gone than he returns (but I think it’s closer than maybe some think)?
Having said that, I get that Spark from HQ2 is unimpressed with Justin Fields, I just think it might/possibly could be a mistake to assume Ryan Poles is equally as unimpressed.
Brad Biggs thinking it doesn’t move the needle, as I explicitly stated (literally even used that phrase!). I think it’s funny that you tried to use Troy Aikman - who has also been wrong before - as some evidence while ignoring someone whose job is to have sources within the Bears. That’s it.
I didn’t assume anything. Have said a bunch of times in this discussion it doesn’t matter what I think and that the Bears very well might keep him, but you don’t listen to me in any circumstance ever so I’m wasting my time.
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Yes, I cited Troy Aikman (who seems to see things the way I see them). Are you asking me over and over about Brad Biggs if he’s spouting an opinion different from yours? See how that works? It’s works both ways, right?
I’ve already addressed why I mentioned Biggs - who was brought up by someone else - I don’t know 8-10 times? But you cannot read so anything I post is wasting time.
The point, to repeat, again, is that you used Aikman to prove “credible” people agree with you here, but completely handwaved and disregarded the view of someone who I’d assume, based on your complete unwillingness to answer the direct question asked of you, you recognize is probably more likely to have an idea than Troy Aikman is.
I recognize that some people think the Bears will keep Fields. Other people don’t. I don’t know whether they will - IMO it would be a mistake to - but Troy Aikman’s unevidenced opinion isn’t very relevant. Certainly a Bears best writer - even one who has been wrong before - has more visibility into the Bears FO than Aikman does.
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If Justin Fields doesn’t end up good I plan on mocking you for the next decade as if you thought Troy Aikman’s opinion was infallible (maybe I should use the word “gospel” like you tried to) - just so you know. It’s what you’ve done to me so consistently so just wanted to warn you.
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Lmao
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Wanna debate the Mack Trade?
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All that I have tried to do in this “conversation,” is try to impress upon you that I think the decision to keep Fields is likely a closer one than you apparently think. If you forced me to bet my own money, I’d probably take your side.
But you seem pretty dead set that he has to be at an All-Pro level the last 5 games to make the decision a tough one. I think there’s a pretty REASONABLE chance he’s back if he’s merely “competent.”
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Wanna debate the Mack Trade?
This sort of shit is why you better hope Fields ends up good
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All that I have tried to do in this “conversation,” is try to impress upon you that I think the decision to keep Fields is likely a closer one than you apparently think. If you forced me to bet my own money, I’d probably take your side.
But you seem pretty dead set that he has to be at an All-Pro level the last 5 games to make the decision a tough one. I think there’s a pretty REASONABLE chance he’s back if he’s merely “competent.”
To make the decision a tough one FOR ME, personally, yes. I don’t have any part of a say in the matter though and have said a number of times that they very well might keep him. I just think that would be an easily avoidable mistake.
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Lol
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So I’m betting Poles is thinking playoffs next year. Do you think he’s going to hand the team off to a rookie QB? That would pose some risk. I think there are factors you’re not considering, and again; if forced to bet my own money I’d probably take your side, but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk.
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What if it takes 2-3 years for whoever they draft to develop? Which seems likely. That’s eating into a large window in which this team should be competitive.
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I’d say the likelihood they draft a QB next year is a very strong one, but I’m not convinced it’s at the top of the 1st round. I don’t think there’s any one overwhelmingly likely scenario.
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What if it takes 2-3 years for whoever they draft to develop? Which seems likely. That’s eating into a large window in which this team should be competitive.
What if they keep Fields and he is the same mediocre and inconsistent QB he has been thusfar in his career? Doesn’t that also seem at least moderately likely?
That would basically decimate the Bears next few years.
Having a good QB on a cheap rookie deal is how teams win titles. Having a mediocre one on a huge second contract is how they get set back years.
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What if they keep Fields and he is the same mediocre and inconsistent QB he has been thusfar in his career? Doesn’t that also seem at least moderately likely?
That would basically decimate the Bears next few years.
I’m assuming there will be a backup plan, unlike with Mitch.
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That plan could be bring in an established veteran toward the end of his starting days (Jimmy G, Derek Carr type?), draft a QB fairly high.
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I could see Poles drafting a Penix, Nix, or McCarthy without the intent to start him immediately.
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Milroe, Daniels, Sanders, Ewers, all potential NFL starters (a couple of them may not declare until next year). I’m not sure it’s a given that they will or should got QB at 1.
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If those guys were evaluated at the top of the draft you'd have some reason we shouldn't pick them too, because the Maye/Williams criticism is actually not about them at all but is about Justin Fields. That's why the large majority of it is coming from the subset of Bears fans who already want to keep Fields.
That doesn't mean either guy is a sure thing - no one they take with any pick in the NFL draft is a sure thing - but those guys take more criticism from Justin Fields fans than any other group from what I can tell.
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I have zero problem with them drafting a QB even 1st round. I just don’t know that going 1 overall is necessary. The majority of the league’s top QBs were not drafted 1 overall. If Peyton Manning is on the board, the choice is easy. I’m not sure Williams or Maye are as sure as Peyton Manning. The team should be ready to win next year, I’m not sure giving the team to a rookie is the plan, but it could be.
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You will never be sure that a guy is Peyton Manning on draft day. The guys who drafted Peyton Manning weren't sure he was Peyton Manning on draft day.
If you use that logic consistently you will never make a draft pick.
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Peyton Manning was a can’t miss (provided health).
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Just as MHJ is a can’t miss (provided health).
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Andrew Luck was a can’t miss (provided health).
Trevor Lawrence was a can’t miss (provided health).
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Just as MHJ is a can’t miss (provided health).
He isn't. If you think he is you're clueless.
There is no such thing as a can't miss.
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Ok.
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Peyton Manning was a can’t miss (provided health).
Nope, he wasn't.
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There aren’t a lot of them, but there are occasionally can’t misses.
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Sure he was. There wasn’t a person alive who wasn’t taking him #1.
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Same with Baker Mayfield. That is not the same thing.
If you think there is a such thing as a can't-miss NFL prospect you have no clue what you're talking about. There isn't.
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Lol Baker Mayfield vs Peyton Manning. Wow…
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I never heard Baker Mayfield compared to John Elway or Andrew Luck. There was one “can’t miss” in that draft. Saquon Barkley.
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I have zero problem with them drafting a QB even 1st round. I just don’t know that going 1 overall is necessary. The majority of the league’s top QBs were not drafted 1 overall. If Peyton Manning is on the board, the choice is easy. I’m not sure Williams or Maye are as sure as Peyton Manning. The team should be ready to win next year, I’m not sure giving the team to a rookie is the plan, but it could be.
Wait, in order to defend Fields now you’re saying “the majority of the league’s top QBs were not drafted 1 overall” and then discount finding players late in the draft like Purdy, Bagent, Brady, and numerous others. Now you’re advocating for it 🤔 it has ALL to do with your infatuation with Fields. Your opinion of all of this has EVERYTHING to do with Fields. You flip flop it to defend him and talk out both sides of your ass…
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Lol Baker Mayfield vs Peyton Manning. Wow…
Not a person alive wasn't going to take Mayfield at 1 in 2018.
What's funny about this retrospective is that there was a pretty famous debate about whether to take Peyton or well-known bust Ryan Leaf at #1.
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Adrian Peterson was a can’t miss (provided health).
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Not a person alive wasn't going to take Mayfield at 1 in 2018.
Lol
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Lol
Agreed - what an idiotic take.
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Wait, in order to defend Fields now you’re saying “the majority of the league’s top QBs were not drafted 1 overall” and then discount finding players late in the draft like Purdy, Bagent, Brady, and numerous others. Now you’re advocating for it 🤔 it has ALL to do with your infatuation with Fields. Your opinion of all of this has EVERYTHING to do with Fields. You flip flop it to defend him and talk out both sides of your ass…
I’m supposed to take a guy seriously who lumped Tyson Bagent in with Tom Brady (or even Brock Purdy)?
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Purdy is a very serviceable NFL quarterback. But he’s the best situation in the NFL. He wouldn’t be doing what he’s doing in Carolina or New Orleans.
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Pretty fun to watch you pick out Hall of Fame caliber players and retroactively declare them "can't miss" prospects 15-20 years after they were drafted.
There's just no such thing. You can pretend there is if it makes you feel better about Fields, but there is no such thing as a "can't-miss" NFL prospect. For every top prospect who became Peyton Manning, there's another who became Baker Mayfield.
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I’m supposed to take a guy seriously who lumped Tyson Bagent in with Tom Brady (or even Brock Purdy)?
That’s what you took out of that?! 😂 way to dodge the point of the post. And in no way did I compare them at all. This is what you do. It’s very disingenuous.
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Comparing Baker Mayfield to Peyton Manning as a prospect is pure gold. No one is taking Baker over Manning if they come out the same year.
(https://i.postimg.cc/d1DRD1pT/IMG-5862.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9R5wnWWW)
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Purdy is a very serviceable NFL quarterback. But he’s the best situation in the NFL. He wouldn’t be doing what he’s doing in Carolina or New Orleans.
You’re making an argument that you have no way to prove or disprove. Almost like you can’t lose the argument that way. Purdy HAS proved he’s better than Fields. That’s a fact.
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Comparing Baker Mayfield to Peyton Manning as a prospect is pure gold. No one is taking Baker over Manning if they come out the same year.
(https://i.postimg.cc/d1DRD1pT/IMG-5862.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9R5wnWWW)
Straw man.
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You’re making an argument that you have no way to prove or disprove. Almost like you can’t lose the argument that way. Purdy HAS proved he’s better than Fields. That’s a fact.
What about quarterbacks like Purdy, Brady, and Bagent?
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All the “draft experts” have stated that Fields would NOT be QB1 in this draft. It is Williams without question.
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BRfAiLpv8KA
https://www.on3.com/college/usc-trojans/news/usc-quarterback-caleb-williams-tabbed-most-cant-miss-prospect-since-trevor-lawrence-andrew-luck-andy-staples/
https://saturdayoutwest.com/usc-trojans/joel-klatt-explains-what-makes-caleb-williams-a-rare-nfl-qb-prospect/
https://saturdayoutwest.com/usc-trojans/caleb-williams-draws-lofty-cant-miss-comps-from-rick-neuheisel/
If you want someone people think is a "can't-miss" prospect, there's one in this draft. You've questioned his ability because he bought a nice car. I don't agree with these evaluations, for the record, but if you want a guy people think can't miss, then you'd be stupid to pass on him right?
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What about quarterbacks like Purdy, Brady, and Bagent?
Bagent played better than Fields. That’s a fact you fail to accept.
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Purdy is in the best situation in football. It’s a virtual certainty he’s not as good on a different team. Any quarterback would be better on the 49ers.
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What about quarterbacks like Purdy, Brady, and Bagent?
And I did that for this very reason. It’s hilarious to see you get so worked up.
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Bagent played better than Fields. That’s a fact you fail to accept.
If you exclude about 10 Fields starts. Including two of the previous three before Bagent started. Bagent had like 6-7 turnovers in 3 games. And that was with low risk taking.
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BRfAiLpv8KA
https://www.on3.com/college/usc-trojans/news/usc-quarterback-caleb-williams-tabbed-most-cant-miss-prospect-since-trevor-lawrence-andrew-luck-andy-staples/
https://saturdayoutwest.com/usc-trojans/joel-klatt-explains-what-makes-caleb-williams-a-rare-nfl-qb-prospect/
https://saturdayoutwest.com/usc-trojans/caleb-williams-draws-lofty-cant-miss-comps-from-rick-neuheisel/
If you want someone people think is a "can't-miss" prospect, there's one in this draft. You've questioned his ability because he bought a nice car. I don't agree with these evaluations, for the record, but if you want a guy people think can't miss, then you'd be stupid to pass on him right?
The difference to Tempo is he doesn’t have hindsight to look back and tell us if Williams is actually Manning or Leaf yet…
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If you exclude about 10 Fields starts. Including two of the previous three before Bagent started. Bagent had like 6-7 turnovers in 3 games. And that was with low risk taking.
Sure, why not. It’s what you do when telling us how good Fields is…
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I’m struggling to remember when Bagent threw 8 TDs in two games with 130 passer ratings.
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Tyson Bagent’s passer rating in 5 games is 71, 20 points lower than Fields; but Bagent was better and I “refuse to accept that fact.”
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I’m struggling to remember when Bagent threw 8 TDs in two games with 130 passer ratings.
I shouldn’t have threw that caveat in there to push your buttons 😂
Tempo, you’re missing the bigger picture of the argument that Spark and I are trying to show you here. There’s a reason you’re not answering and addressing those points…
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https://www.nj.com/jets/2017/12/sam_darnold_or_josh_rosen_lamar_jackson_nfl_draft.html
"The talk all offseason was about how great this group of quarterbacks was going to be. You had two can't-miss prospects in Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen. An elite athlete in Lamar Jackson. A developmental project with a sky-high ceiling in Josh Allen."
https://www.ninersnation.com/2015/3/1/8131395/mocking-the-draft-a-fresh-look-at-the-incoming-qbs
"I've also just had this sneaking suspicion that Marcus Mariota is the only can't miss QB in this draft, and that Jameis Winston -- in addition to all the other things he is -- is severely overrated as a prospect. "
https://nypost.com/2019/10/19/two-teams-cant-miss-qb-are-in-danger-of-missing/
"Sometimes, can’t-miss options end up missing.
Remember that can’t-miss draft in 2015, with Jameis Winston going to the Buccaneers at No. 1 overall and Marcus Mariota to the Titans at No. 2?"
The difference between a guy you're willing to say was a "can't-miss" prospect and these guys is that you're looking back at a HoF caliber career retroactively. There have been tons of guys called "can't miss" prospects who have missed, because a "can't miss" prospect isn't a real thing.
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I shouldn’t have threw that caveat in there to push your buttons 😂
Tempo, you’re missing the bigger picture of the argument that Spark and I are trying to show you here. There’s a reason you’re not answering and addressing those points…
What have I not addresed?
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Lol as if anyone had Josh Rosen on the same level as Peyton Manning. Manning was as sure a thing as you could get, provided health. 1st ballot HOFer? Who knows? Good NFL quarterback? Always.
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What have I not addresed?
Your take on “can’t miss” players is revisionist history. It’s ridiculous.
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Lol as if anyone had Josh Rosen on the same level as Peyton Manning. Manning was as sure a thing as you could get, provided health. 1st ballot HOFer? Who knows? Good NFL quarterback? Always.
Nobody. Absolutely nobody is saying this. You’re a weird fucking dude and will do ANYTHING to protect Justin Fields. Hence why Spark (or anybody for that matter) doesn’t want to talk about this shit anymore. You are dishonest.
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Lol as if anyone had Josh Rosen on the same level as Peyton Manning. Manning was as sure a thing as you could get, provided health. 1st ballot HOFer? Who knows? Good NFL quarterback? Always.
Josh Rosen was a can't miss prospect.
He just missed.
You're retroactively pretending he wasn't considered a can't-miss prospect because he missed. Which strengthens my point that there's no such thing as a can't-miss prospect considerably.
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I don’t think Jameis Winston was ever a “can’t miss.” There were definitely character concerns there. Being a consensus #1 isn’t quite the same thing as a “can’t miss.” Of course, there’s always a chance a guy busts, but there are a handful here and there that are extremely safe. I wouldn’t have called Mayfield or Winston “extremely safe.” I don’t recall any Andrew Luck comparison with either. Either way, I don’t find this debate stimulating or useful. You don’t have to draft a QB at #1 to get a good one. In fact, you’re just as likely to get a great one at 15 or even 32.
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If Josh Rosen was a “can’t miss,” he doesn’t go 10th.
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I’ve never heard of a can’t miss QB being the 4th quarterback selected in a draft.
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I’ve never heard of a can’t miss QB being the 4th quarterback selected in a draft.
Fields wouldn’t even be #1 in this class. Williams is without a doubt #1 regardless of what you FFS and the media is portraying. It happens every year with people over analyzing prospects.
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I’ve never heard of a can’t miss QB being the 4th quarterback selected in a draft.
Sure you have. Just gave you a few examples, including quotes and links. You're simply denying the evidence because it doesn't confirm your bias, which is obviously exactly what I expected.
There's no such thing as a can't-miss prospect, is the point. A lot of the people others said were can't-miss prospect miss. It's easy to retroactively pick the ones who didn't and say "see, he couldn't miss!" but to think that way you have to ignore a lot of evidence.
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“Josh Rosen is a “can’t miss quarterback!” But these other three quarterbacks and and six non-quarterbacks are can’t miss betters!”
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“Josh Rosen is a “can’t miss quarterback!” But these other three quarterbacks and and six non-quarterbacks are can’t miss betters!”
It's almost like calling someone a "can't miss prospect" is really stupid to do, huh?
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Just because somebody said it doesn’t mean he was a can’t miss. Rosen was not a top 10 all-time prospect at the position. And probably not even top 25. A “can’t miss” QB doesn’t go behind 3 other QBs.
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I’m jumping out of the “cant miss” debate. We’ll never agree on anything, and it’s even less productive than the Fields talk.
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Just because somebody said it doesn’t mean he was a can’t miss. Rosen was not a top 10 all-time prospect at the position. And probably not even top 25. A “can’t miss” QB doesn’t go behind 3 other QBs.
What else would make someone a can't-miss other than people saying it?
You're arguing that guys were "can't miss" prospects based on things that happened after they were drafted, and simply disregarding out of hands the guys that were called that and missed. It's an easy way to argue, it's just also a silly way to argue. I literally found examples of a bunch of other guys being called "can't miss" prospects who missed and your response is, well they weren't "can't miss" prospects.
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This. This. This. This. This…
https://x.com/clayharbs82/status/1733524352614670630?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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I don’t think the “rookie contract” argument is quite as powerful in this case being the Bears have lots of young players, strong draft capital, and a lot of money under the cap. It is a check against Fields, though. Fields isn’t really cost prohibitive unless you extend him beyond year 5.
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I love how Tempo's argument that any QB would be better in SF completely ignores that Justin Fields Part 2, Trey Lance, sucked in SF and got his ass traded to Dallas.
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I love how Tempo's argument that any QB would be better in SF completely ignores that Justin Fields Part 2, Trey Lance, sucked in SF and got his ass traded to Dallas.
Maybe he’s just not good? I’m sure he’d be better at SF than Cleveland.
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Maybe he’s just not good? I’m sure he’d be better at SF than Cleveland.
Maybe the same could be said for Fields…
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I never said that SF can make a bad quarterback good.
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I never said that SF can make a bad quarterback good.
That’s basically your whole argument!
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Maybe the same could be said for Fields…
Dude, Fields is light years beyond anything Lance has done. In Lance’s defense, he had a catastrophic injury delay his development.
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That’s basically your whole argument!
Show me where I even “basically” said that.
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Maybe he’s just not good? I’m sure he’d be better at SF than Cleveland.
You keep saying anyone would do what Purdy is doing in the SF offense and the fact is that isn't true. Ex. A is Trey Lance, aka Justin Fields Part 2.
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Dude, Fields is light years beyond anything Lance has done. In Lance’s defense, he had a catastrophic injury delay his development.
Before that he was not any good despite being in Shanahan's system.
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Maybe the same could be said for Fields…
Oooooh, burn dot dot dot
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That’s basically your whole argument!
That is his argument
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That is his argument
Any quarterback worthy of starting would be better in SF. That’s probably not controversial in most circles.
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Any quarterback worthy of starting would be better in SF. That’s probably not controversial in most circles.
And SF made Lance the starter, didn't they?
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And SF made Lance the starter, didn't they?
And he lost it because he’s not a worthy starter. He was made starter because of his draft status and the investment they made in him. They pretty quickly realized their error and moved on to a guy who’s better. At least at this point in their careers.
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Any quarterback worthy of starting would be better in SF. That’s probably not controversial in most circles.
Goal post moving at its finest. Dot dot dot
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And he lost it because he’s not a worthy starter. He was made starter because of his draft status and the investment they made in him.
Almost like you could be explaining Fields right here…
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Goal post moving at its finest. Dot dot dot
Show me anywhere where I said any quarterback could start and be good in SF.
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Almost like you could be explaining Fields right here…
Duh, that’s a big reason he’s still playing. I’ve never once tried to make the case otherwise.
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Show me anywhere where I said any quarterback could start and be good in SF.
You said anyone could do what Purdy is doing in that system even though Lance couldn't do it.
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You said anyone could do what Purdy is doing in that system even though Lance couldn't do it.
Produce that post.
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Produce that post.
It is what you said on multiple occasions
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It is what you said on multiple occasions
Then producing it shouldn’t be that difficult.
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Then producing it shouldn’t be that difficult.
Do you not remember what you said? Why is it our fucking responsibility to go and pull your posts to show you that shit and find it for you? You literally have said that at least fucking 5 to 10 times on this fucking board.
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Then producing it shouldn’t be that difficult.
You can find it.
As JJ said, you moved the goal posts by now claiming starters would be better after Trey Lance was brought up.
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I said any quarterback would be better in SF. I didn’t say any quarterback could step in and be good, or as good as Purdy. The young man can clearly quarterback a little.
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You can find it.
As JJ said, you moved the goal posts by now claiming starters would be better after Trey Lance was brought up.
You made the accusation, you find it.
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I said any quarterback would be better in SF. I didn’t say any quarterback could step in and be good, or as good as Purdy. The young man can clearly quarterback a little.
You have said that before today
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You made the accusation, you find it.
We all are familiar with what you have said about Purdy and Shanahan.
Wasn't Beatherd also a Shanahan QB for the 49er?
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He knows the search feature sucks and we’re not gonna look it up so he can claim whatever he wants. There’s literally thousands of posts to go through. Not doing it. We know exactly what he said.
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You have said that before today
Produce the post.
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He knows the search feature sucks and we’re not gonna look it up so he can claim whatever he wants. There’s literally thousands of posts to go through. Not doing it. We know exactly what he said.
Exactly
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He knows the search feature sucks and we’re not gonna look it up so he can claim whatever he wants. There’s literally thousands of posts to go through. Not doing it. We know exactly what he said.
Laydown noted.
Last year I probably didn’t give Purdy enough credit for his success, but he’s shown that he’s a legitimate NFL quarterback. He still wouldn’t be as good in Carolina as he is in SF, that shouldn’t be even the least bit controversial.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/a-complete-history-of-kyle-shanahans-bad-quarterback-decisions-with-the-49ers
LOL
He's had 6 QBs since he became HC in 2017
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Laydown noted.
Last year I probably didn’t give Purdy enough credit for his success, but he’s shown that he’s a legitimate NFL quarterback. He still wouldn’t be as good in Carolina as he is in SF, that shouldn’t be even the least bit controversial.
That was not your take previously.
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Exactly
*Eric Clapton guitar riff* “Lay down Sally.”
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6 QBs in 6 years but any QB would be as good as Purdy in the Shanahan System, per Tempo.
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That was not your take oreviously.
What was my take oreviously?
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What was my take oreviously?
Previously, it was that anyone could do what Purdy has done as QB for the 49er.
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6 QBs in 6 years but any QB would be as good as Purdy in the Shanahan System, per Tempo.
Never. Said. That.
And the previous QBs didn’t have McCaffery. And Aiyuk wasn’t a major factor yet. Jimmy G was pretty good there, their main frustration with him was he couldn’t stay on the field.
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Previously, it was that anyone could do what Purdy has done as QB for the 49er.
Produce that quote.
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Produce that quote.
Eventually I will find it. Or you will just say it again.
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Eventually I will find it. Or you will just say it again.
Queue Van Halen *I’ll wait…*
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6 QBs in 6 years but any QB would be as good as Purdy in the Shanahan System, per Tempo.
And, per Tempo, Justin Fields would be a good QB if only he was a 49er, despite the fact that the same type of player, Lance, was not.
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“Same type of player.” Lol
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One of the dumber comments ever posted here.
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“Same type of player.” Lol
Yep. Same skill set, or lack thereof.
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Yep. Same skill set, or lack thereof.
Similar skill set to Lamar Jackson. “Same type of player.”
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One of the dumber comments ever posted here.
Yes, your claim that Fields would be good if only he was on the 49er defies all facts and logic.
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Similar skill set to Lamar Jackson. “Same type of player.”
Now Trey Lance and Fields are similar to Lamar Jackson. LOL
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Athletic, strong arms, excellent runners. “Same type of players.”
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Maybe he’s just not good? I’m sure he’d be better at SF than Cleveland.
Heh
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Athletic, strong arms, excellent runners. “Same type of players.”
Except one can pass and the other two cannot. But you are going to really compare Fields and Lance to Jackson. Ridiculous take, dude.
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“Dual threat quarterback.”
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Surely there's some humor to be found in having moved on from Lance after 4 starts right?
He had a 97 passer rating in his first two, and a 55 passer rating in his second two.
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Keep digging that hole, Tempo!
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Except one can pass and the other two cannot. But you are going to really compare Fields and Lance to Jackson. Ridiculous take, dude.
“Similar playing styles.”
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“Dual threat quarterback.”
(https://i.postimg.cc/sXPnXW7D/IMG-5865.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Well, Fields hasn't shown to be that exactly.
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Surely there's some humor to be found in having moved on from Lance after 4 starts right?
He had a 97 passer rating in his first two, and a 55 passer rating in his second two.
The injury surely didn’t help. Felt bad for the kid.
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“Dual threat quarterback.”
(https://i.postimg.cc/sXPnXW7D/IMG-5865.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
I once heard Troy Aikman say that Lance was the guy for the 49er
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“Similar playing styles.”
Except one can pass and the other two cannot. So, they do not have similar playing styles.
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Well, Fields hasn't shown to be that exactly.
8 TDs and 600 yards in two games on high efficiency didn’t convince you something could be there?
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Is Fields a consistently excellent passer? No. Has he shown he can hurt you with the pass. Absolutely. That shouldn’t even be up for debate. He struggles with consistency, not ability.
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LOL. He can't read defenses.
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Except one can pass and the other two cannot. So, they do not have similar playing styles.
Fields’ passer rating is better than Lamar’s in 2021 and 2022. Despite Fields’ brutal start to the season.
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LOL. He can't read defenses.
What does Jalen Hurts have to do with this?!
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What does Jalen Hurts have to do with this?!
He has a similar playing style as Jackson, but not Fields and Lance.
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8 TDs and 600 yards in two games on high efficiency didn’t convince you something could be there?
I think using a two game sample size for a guy who has started 34 NFL games is pretty silly.
As an example, directly before that two game stretch you're so fond of he had a 3 game stretch where he had 526 yards, 3 TD and 4 INT. Directly after he had a 2.5 game stretch with 444 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT.
I don't weigh the two games he played well that much more heavily than all the games he hasn't played well, no. Obviously the biggest threat is with his legs - when you take that away and make him throw, Fields hasn't consistently shown that he can be a threat with his arm. He's kind of a "one threat" QB so far in his career, and it's not the one you'd pick given the choice,
Trey Lance had 598 yards passing and 5 TD through two career starts.
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I once heard Troy Aikman say that Lance was the guy for the 49er
Produce the quote!! 😁
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Justin definitely isn’t a consistently good passer, but he’s shown improvement and he’s shown he can beat you with his arm. He definitely needs to be more consistent, though. He’s been that since week 4.
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Is Fields a consistently excellent passer? No. Has he shown he can hurt you with the pass. Absolutely. That shouldn’t even be up for debate. He struggles with consistency, not ability.
In 34 starts he's thrown more than 2 TD three times. He's thrown more than 300 yards once.
He's shown he can hurt you with the pass once per season's worth of games. He hasn't shown more than that though. Maybe he will, but he hasn't yet.
The problem is that he has consistently not produced as a passer, which is why you're so bullish on the potential shown in those two games and willing to make excuses why the other 32 games don't count as much.
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In 34 starts he's thrown more than 2 TD three times. He's thrown more than 300 yards once.
He's shown he can hurt you with the pass once per season's worth of games. He hasn't shown more than that though. Maybe he will, but he hasn't yet.
The problem is that he has consistently not produced as a passer, which is why you're so bullish on the potential shown in those two games and willing to make excuses why the other 32 games don't count as much.
He literally had a fucking practice squad around him last year and was saddled with a rookie OC who struggled with figuring out how to use him. And still does. I know, I know, “no excuses.”
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Justin definitely isn’t a consistently good passer, but he’s shown improvement and he’s shown he can beat you with his arm. He definitely needs to be more consistent, though. He’s been that since week 4.
And since week 6 he's shown why people are hesitant to do the "he's turned the corner!" thing.
2.5 games, 444 yards (177.6ish per game, counting the half game as half), 1 TD 1 INT. 85.7 passer rating.
Your entire argument rests on the Denver game when Denver had given up 70 a week before, and the Washington game when Washington is the worst passing defense in the league. It's cherry picking a tiny sample.
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He literally had a fucking practice squad around him last year and was saddled with rookie OC who struggled with figuring out how to use him. And still does. I know, I know, “no excuses.”
If you only want to cherry pick the 2 games he played well and not count the other 32 be my guest. I reserve the right to point out that that's fucking stupid.
He's shown the ability to be a quality passing QB in the same way that Mitch Trubisky did, which is to say: for an extremely short stretch against bad defenses, and never with the consistency needed.
He has more starts with passer ratings under 65 than over 100.
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Jordan Love is better.
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He was throwing to:
2023:
Byron Pringle 13 catches
Nkeal Harry 0 catches in 2023
Dante Pettis: out of league
EQ St. Brown: back end of roster guy
Darnell Mooney: missed much of last season, unlikely to be re-signed
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Jordan Love is better.
Over the last few starts, sure.
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Over the last few starts, sure.
We can use a two game sample size, can’t we?
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And since week 6 he's shown why people are hesitant to do the "he's turned the corner!" thing.
2.5 games, 444 yards (177.6ish per game, counting the half game as half), 1 TD 1 INT. 85.7 passer rating.
Your entire argument rests on the Denver game when Denver had given up 70 a week before, and the Washington game when Washington is the worst passing defense in the league. It's cherry picking a tiny sample.
Patrick Mahomes I think had 1 TD and 3 INTs and a loss against Denver around the same time frame in TWO games.
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We can use a two game sample size, can’t we?
Well people here are saying he CAN’T pass. Those games are proof otherwise. Is he consistent enough? I never even tried to say he is.
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He was throwing to:
2023:
Byron Pringle 13 catches
Nkeal Harry 0 catches in 2023
Dante Pettis: out of league
EQ St. Brown: back end of roster guy
Darnell Mooney: missed much of last season, unlikely to be re-signed
And his line sucked balls.
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Patrick Mahomes I think had 1 TD and 3 INTs and a loss against Denver around the same time frame in TWO games.
Just want to remind you when I made a point about sample size re: Mitch Trubisky you lied and screamed 'YOU WANT TO COMPARE TRUBISKY TO MAHOMES!!?/!!!/!!11!" about it for literal years. You still bring it up sometimes. So do you really want to compare Fields to Mahomes? If that sort of thing were the norm for Mahomes instead of the outlier, he'd be viewed very differently. The same goes for Fields, but the game he had against Denver is the outlier, not the norm, to this point.
I'm sure there's some excuse for why it wasn't his fault, but Fields also fumbled (it was returned for a TD), turned it over on downs, and threw a pick in the last seven minutes of that Broncos game. Three times they had the ball with a chance to make a play and seal a win, and three times Fields gave it back to them resulting in 10 points for a 3 point loss.
Denver is 11th worst in the league in passing yards against, and 6th worst in passing TD against. Washington is dead last in both categories.
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And his line sucked balls.
And his mom was sick, and he was up late because he'd just gotten a new dog and had to train him, and he had a papercut.
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Well people here are saying he CAN’T pass. Those games are proof otherwise. Is he consistent enough? I never even tried to say he is.
Nope, nobody's ever said that.
People here are pointing out that your two game stretch sample size is an outlier in Justin Fields' career so far against bad defenses, and that he has never shown that he can be an effective passer with even a small amount of consistency. Even since his big turn around he's been an average or below QB.
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Just want to remind you when I made a point about sample size re: Mitch Trubisky you lied and screamed 'YOU WANT TO COMPARE TRUBISKY TO MAHOMES!!?/!!!/!!11!" about it for literal years. You still bring it up sometimes. So do you really want to compare Fields to Mahomes? If that sort of thing were the norm for Mahomes instead of the outlier, he'd be viewed very differently. The same goes for Fields, but the game he had against Denver is the outlier, not the norm, to this point.
I'm sure there's some excuse for why it wasn't his fault, but Fields also fumbled (it was returned for a TD), turned it over on downs, and threw a pick in the last seven minutes of that Broncos game. Three times they had the ball with a chance to make a play and seal a win, and three times Fields gave it back to them resulting in 10 points for a 3 point loss.
Denver is 11th worst in the league in passing yards against, and 6th worst in passing TD against. Washington is dead last in both categories.
Lol I was comparing performances against the same team in games within a few weeks of each other. Of course, I’m not saying Fields is better than Mahomes. Or am I?
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Nope, nobody's ever said that.
You new here?
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And his mom was sick, and he was up late because he'd just gotten a new dog and had to train him, and he had a papercut.
Would these be strawmen arguments?
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No, but I don't count PAMan's stupid trolling as someone saying it either.
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Would these be strawmen arguments?
Just trying to predict how the Justin Fields Excuse list was going to play out. Every single bad game he's ever played in the NFL, there's a reason it wasn't his fault.
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Lol I was comparing performances against the same team in games within a few weeks of each other. Of course, I’m not saying Fields is better than Mahomes. Or am I?
You're saying that in exactly the same way that I was saying Trubisky was. So by your own logic, yes, and you're going to hear about it for years.
Yes, you're comparing an extremely small sample size that is an obvious career outlier for both QBs in question.
When I compared Trubisky to Mahomes in a small sample size many years ago, you wouldn't even pretend to actually listen to me and instead just said YOURE COMPARING TRUBISKY TO MAHOMES!!?//!! and stuck with that for years no matter how many times I pointed out what I actually meant - you didn't care at all what I actually meant.
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Just trying to predict how the Justin Fields Excuse list was going to play out. Every single bad game he's ever played in the NFL, there's a reason it wasn't his fault.
I just think it’s a bit unfair to hold him and him alone accountable for a season in which he was given a poor offensive line, even worse receivers, and a rookie OC who didn’t know how to use him in a very critical to his development 2nd year in the league.
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Oh, how could I have forgotten Chase Claypool! Miami is loving him to the tune of 3 DNP (coaches decision) and 1 catch!
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I just think it’s a bit unfair to hold him and him alone accountable for a season in which he was given a poor offensive line, even worse receivers, and a rookie OC who didn’t know how to use him in a very critical to his development 2nd year in the league.
There's a reason I don't bring up his win/loss record. I am evaluating his play, not the team's play. His play hasn't been very good. At some point he needs to get SOME accountability for his own play, right?
Do you think there's any merit to an argument that those WRs you're trashing would've looked better with a QB who was a more competent passer? Or that the OL you're trashing would've looked better with a guy who didn't have Fields' habit of running into sacks?
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His 3rd year has provided little continuity with still erratic game plans and usage from the OC, new and injured revolving parts, and a significant injury to his throwing hand. #NoExcuses!
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There's a reason I don't bring up his win/loss record. I am evaluating his play, not the team's play. His play hasn't been very good. At some point he needs to get SOME accountability for his own play, right?
Sure. As I’ve said, they may move on from him this year and certainly some of that is his fault.
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His 3rd year has provided little continuity with still erratic game plans and usage from the OC, new and injured revolving parts, and a significant injury to his throwing hand. #NoExcuses!
Love the hashtag, given you're using this post to excuse away his play STILL.
If I only read your posts, it would be easy to believe you think the ONLY games Fields has played that it's fair to evaluate him on are the Denver and Washington games this year. There's some excuse for his play in every one of the other 32 starts.
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I just think it’s a bit unfair to hold him and him alone accountable for a season in which he was given a poor offensive line, even worse receivers, and a rookie OC who didn’t know how to use him in a very critical to his development 2nd year in the league.
How many quarterbacks could endure this, and a year of Nagy’s incompetence to boot and still be thought of as a potential long-term starter in this league. Not a ton.
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Love the hashtag, given you're using this post to excuse away his play STILL.
If I only read your posts, it would be easy to believe you think the ONLY games Fields has played that it's fair to evaluate him on are the Denver and Washington games this year. There's some excuse for his play in every one of the other 32 starts.
Some of the other 32 starts he was absolutely electric. Just not necessarily from the pocket.
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How many quarterbacks could endure this, and a year of Nagy’s incompetence to boot and still be thought of as a potential long-term starter in this league. Not a ton.
It’s strictly based on his potential and running ability. That is not based on his passing QB ability play that we’ve seen. It’s just not.
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At some point potential doesn’t mean shit.
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Fields rarely got to throw the ball last year. He eclipsed 25 passes only twice I think. Never eclipsing 30. A large number of games were under 22. Sam Howell throws it 48 times a game.
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Some of the other 32 starts he was absolutely electric. Just not necessarily from the pocket.
Which is what they need to see to justify keeping him - pocket passing.
It’s great that he can run the football, but he is not a running back and if he was we wouldn’t be talking about potentially paying him 9 figures next year. A QB getting rushing yards needs to be a supplement to his passing - he needs to be able to move the ball reliably with his arm and stop turning the ball over. He has yet to show he can do that.
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At some point potential doesn’t mean shit.
At some point.
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Fields rarely got to throw the ball last year. He eclipsed 25 passes only twice I think. Never eclipsing 30. A large number of games were under 22. Sam Howell throws it 48 times a game.
Do you think his passing ability has anything to do with the decision not to let him throw very often?
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At some point.
hahaha
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Which is what they need to see to justify keeping him - pocket passing.
It’s great that he can run the football, but he is not a running back and if he was we wouldn’t be talking about potentially paying him 9 figures next year. A QB getting rushing yards needs to be a supplement to his passing - he needs to be able to move the ball reliably with his arm and stop turning the ball over. He has yet to show he can do that.
The Chicago Bears have done almost everything they can to fuck this kid up. His development plan should carry criminal charges.
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Fields rarely got to throw the ball last year. He eclipsed 25 passes only twice I think. Never eclipsing 30. A large number of games were under 22. Sam Howell throws it 48 times a game.
It’s one either because the coaches don’t trust him to throw the ball or two, he just hangs onto it too long and starts running with it instead of reading his progressions and throwing the fucking ball.
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And yes, Justin needs to be more consistent.
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Do you think his passing ability has anything to do with the decision not to let him throw very often?
We have a winner…
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It’s one either because the coaches don’t trust him to throw the ball or two, he just hangs onto it too long and starts running with it instead of reading his progressions and throwing the fucking ball.
They should have had a better development plan. Sink or swim. Take his lumps. Instead the defensive head coach and the overwhelmed rookie OC played conservative games in order to keep games close.
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The Chicago Bears have done almost everything they can to fuck this kid up. His development plan should carry criminal charges.
Lol
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Do you think his passing ability has anything to do with the decision not to let him throw very often?
I think there are a lot of reasons for that.
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They should have had a better development plan. Sink or swim. Take his lumps. Instead the defensive head coach and the overwhelmed rookie OC played conservative games in order to keep games close.
You really don’t think it’s possible they called conservative games to play to their QB’s strengths and weaknesses? Not possible at all?
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Lol
You think they’ve done a good job with him?
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I’ve seen about 6-8!games where they played to his strengths. He was good in just about all of them. Perfect? No. He’s young.
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I think there are a lot of reasons for that.
Is it possible one of them is that they recognized that one of the weaknesses of their QB is that he isn’t very good passing the ball?
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You think they’ve done a good job with him?
Did I say that or did you?
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Did I say that or did you?
You LOLd it.
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You LOLd it.
You took that LOL and attributed a view to me that you said and I didn’t.
I LOL’d because I thought the comment was funny.
I’ve already made my feelings about Getsy and Eberflus clear. I also think it’s tough to draw up a good offensive gameplan in the modern NFL if your QB can’t reliably throw the ball. Those aren’t mutually exclusive.
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Is it possible one of them is that they recognized that one of the weaknesses of their QB is that he isn’t very good passing the ball?
I also think *it’s possible* the OC got overpromoted and they gave him shit for help in a critical development year.
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I’m curious why you’re so bullish to attribute Fields’ poor play to poor WRs and OL etc. but give Getsy none of that. Don’t you think it’s hard for an offensive coordinator to make winning game plans with bad WRs and OL also, even forgetting the bit about a QB who can’t reliably throw the ball? Why does Fields get his performance excused due to roster issues but Getsy doesn’t?
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I also think *it’s possible* the OC got overpromoted and they gave him shit for help in a critical development year.
If you were an OC and your QB had shown no ability to reliably move the ball with his arm, what gameplan would you draw up that’d show off his skills as a passer?
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I also think *it’s possible* the OC got overpromoted and they gave him shit for help in a critical development year.
He has a legit #1 WR, and Kmet has been playing well. He’s had time to throw. The line is far from perfect, but it’s good enough to evaluate a qb who is 30+ starts in.
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He has a legit #1 WR, and Kmet has been playing well. He’s had time to throw. The line is far from perfect, but it’s good enough to evaluate a qb who is 30+ starts in.
I think he means last year.
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I think he means last year.
Oh. Ok, I probably missed some shit lol.
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And his mom was sick,
That one was used by Nate Davis to miss training camp.
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I think he means last year.
Perceptive one, you are.
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Is it possible one of them is that they recognized that one of the weaknesses of their QB is that he isn’t very good passing the ball?
1) Couldn’t protect him
2) Defensive minded head coach looking to extend drives, shorten games, keep them close due to poor roster construction
3) Conservative nature of coaches in general
4) Young, inconsistent quarterback learning a new system
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5) receivers were abysmal
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You took that LOL and attributed a view to me that you said and I didn’t.
I LOL’d because I thought the comment was funny.
I’ve already made my feelings about Getsy and Eberflus clear. I also think it’s tough to draw up a good offensive gameplan in the modern NFL if your QB can’t reliably throw the ball. Those aren’t mutually exclusive.
Lamar wasn’t a particuarly reliable passer the previous two years.
The way to employ Fields is to move the pocket and let him improvise. The Bears don’t consistently try to do that. Getsy calls plays for him like he’s 39 year old Aaron Rodgers.
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5) receivers were abysmal
Does Getsy get to use these excuses to justify his performance too? Why or why not?
For all the “receivers are abysmal” talk, Mooney is a former 1000 yard guy from Dalton/Fields, Allen Robinson is a former 1000 yard guy from Trubisky, Claypool was over 800 a couple times with an ancient Roethlisberger, Goodwin was over 900 with Beathard/Hoyer/Jimmy G.
Far from a murderers row, of course, but these guys have had some productive years too.
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Lamar wasn’t a particuarly reliable passer the previous two years.
The way to employ Fields is to move the pocket and let him improvise. The Bears don’t consistently try to do that. Getsy calls plays for him like he’s 39 year old Aaron Rodgers.
I think they’ve let him improvise quite a bit honestly. He tends to fumble, run into sacks, and throw picks in those situations often. He also gains rushing yards, but just has never shown the ability to pass consistently.
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And you keep doing that until he has time to mature and improve on his weaknesses. Developing a quarterback, especially a highly athletic one is like painting a mural. It takes patience and many many brush strokes.
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He also avoids a lot of sacks.
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I think they’ve let him improvise quite a bit honestly. He tends to fumble, run into sacks, and throw picks in those situations often. He also gains rushing yards, but just has never shown the ability to pass consistently.
The plays he struggles most are obvious passing downs and defenders often run free at the quarterback. We’ve seen it multpile times this year. That’s when he’s been at his worst.
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I agree. When everyone knows he needs to pass he has been mostly horrible.
I think that’s a bigger problem than you seem to.
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He also avoids a lot of sacks.
He had the worst sack rate in the league his first two years and is second behind Daniel Jones this year. He obviously isn’t THAT good at avoiding them. And he often creates them even when he is given time to throw.
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I agree. When everyone knows he needs to pass he has been mostly horrible.
I think that’s a bigger problem than you seem to.
Wouldn’t hurt if he had better protection and better play-calling. Hutchinson ran right by Wright. And remember when Getsy called 3 RB screens in a row against Tampa to end the game? Good times!
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He had the worst sack rate in the league his first two years and is second behind Daniel Jones this year. He obviously isn’t THAT good at avoiding them. And he often creates them even when he is given time to throw.
Joe Burrow took a lot of sacks at one time.
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But yeah, that’s something he needs to get better at. And has. The numbers bear that out, still could be better.
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Wouldn’t hurt if he had better protection and better play-calling. Hutchinson ran right by Wright. And remember when Getsy called 3 RB screens in a row against Tampa to end the game? Good times!
Do you really not see how EVERY SINGLE TIME you come up with an excuse?
Like I was literally agreeing with a thing you said - that in situations where he needs to pass Fields has been bad - and your response was to fire off two consecutive excuses for why him being bad in those situations isn’t actually his fault.
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But yeah, that’s something he needs to get better at. And has. The numbers bear that out, still could be better.
Which numbers?
Last I saw his clutch time and 2nd/3rd and long numbers were absolutely horrendous.
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Do you really not see how EVERY SINGLE TIME you come up with an excuse?
Like I was literally agreeing with a thing you said - that in situations where he needs to pass Fields has been bad - and your response was to fire off two consecutive excuses for why him being bad in those situations isn’t actually his fault.
Every. Single. Time.
He can’t be fumbling twice against Minnesota in the 4th. I blame George McCaskey.
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Which numbers?
Last I saw his clutch time and 2nd/3rd and long numbers were absolutely horrendous.
I’ve heard it said multiple times by people who should know such things. He had the 3 lowest sack rates of his season in the last 4 games. The exception was Minnesota who blitzes 30% above league average.
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Which numbers?
Last I saw his clutch time and 2nd/3rd and long numbers were absolutely horrendous.
Bet the blocking clutch time numbers are horrendous, too.
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I’ve heard it said multiple times by people who should know such things. He had the three lowest sack rates of his season in the last 4 games. The exception was Minnesota who blitzes 30% above league average.
What about his actual numbers during clutch time or on x and long type plays? Lowering his sack rate from the absolute worst in the league over the last three years is good but you’re setting a low bar. Like even with this “improvement” he gets sacked 11% of the time, second worst in the league.
Given even the game he won with a game winning drive he had multiple fourth quarter turnovers, I’m going to guess his numbers in those situations still aren’t very good. I can’t find the numbers I saw a few weeks ago but they were absolutely horrendous in those situations.
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Every. Single. Time.
He can’t be fumbling twice against Minnesota in the 4th. I blame George McCaskey.
You said that I assume as a joke, but it’s pretty close to how you actually talk about Fields.
“Oh, yeah he turned it over three times in the last seven minutes but it was the one year anniversary of his hamster dying, he was grieving.”
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Joe Burrow took a lot of sacks at one time.
The worst sack rate of Burrow’s career is 1.8 percentage points better than the best sack rate of Fields’ career.
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Gotta hand it to the Bucs, I don’t know they saw that 3rd RB screen in a row coming.
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The worst sack rate of Burrow’s career is 1.8 percentage points better than the best sack rate of Fields’ career.
Did I say it’s not an area he needs to improve on? Wonder what Fields’ explosive play rate is compared to other QBs. I’ll trade a few sacks for more explosive plays.
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I also think sacks are an area where coaching can get better. Part of that is on the coaches. Not just Fields.
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Sacks are huge drive killers. His sack rate is not sustainable for a good QB.
In the last 10 years, this is the list of guys who started 8+ games and had a sack% over 11%:
Justin Fields 23
Justin Fields 22
Justin Fields 21
Marcus Mariota 18
Ryan Tannehill 18
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Gotta hand it to the Bucs, I don’t know they saw that 3rd RB screen in a row coming.
More excuses than the Weber Merrymen.
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More excuses than the Weber Merrymen.
#NoExcusesTour2023!
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More excuses than the Weber Merrymen.
You gotta admit though, that’s great play-calling.
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Here you go…
https://x.com/tommyk_nfldraft/status/1733520689779355904?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Here you go…
https://x.com/tommyk_nfldraft/status/1733520689779355904?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Well sure. But what's his PFF passing grade this year if you remove the first three games because he had a bad offensive coordinator, and remove the last 2.5 games because he hurt his thumb?
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(https://i.postimg.cc/g0NBvYRd/IMG-5868.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Well sure. But what's his PFF passing grade this year if you remove the first three games because he had a bad offensive coordinator, and remove the last 2.5 games because he hurt his thumb?
Well done.
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Well done.
Yes, what is it?
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Yes, what is it?
Who cares. It’s not good enough. The NFL is excuse based. You either produce or gtfo.
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Who cares. It’s not good enough. The NFL is excuse based. You either produce or gtfo.
I need his numbers adjusted for bad coaching and the thumb.
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I need his numbers adjusted for bad coaching and the thumb.
The sad part is you’re being honest. Why doesn’t Getsy get the same excuses you give Fields? He doesn’t have anything to work with either.
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Tomorrow is going to be a little chilly and his nips might get hard so I don’t think we’ll be able to count those stats either.
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Tomorrow is going to be a little chilly and his nips might get hard so I don’t think we’ll be able to count those stats either.
Jordan Love is better.
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So is Tyson Bagent.
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So is Tyson Bagent.
He did go 2-2 with the same players Fields had…
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Lol
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He won two home games against Brian, Hoyer, and the worst team in the league hang a banner
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I see it's back to Just Fields wins vs a team that has given up far more points than anyone in the league and a Vikings team with a poor back-up QB performance and a poor coaching staff performance and a poor pass that all the qb had to do was throw it in the field of play are much better wins than the wins from the Div 2 UDFA.
Hang a banner.
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I see it's back to Just Fields wins vs a team that has given up far more points than anyone in the league and a Vikings team with a poor back-up QB performance and a poor coaching staff performance and a poor pass that all the qb had to do was throw it in the field of play are much better wins than the wins from the Div 2 UDFA.
Hang a banner.
I think it’s funny that you keep neglecting to say that Minnesota had won five of their last six, Including a win in which they pushed around the 49ers
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Their one loss was a one point road loss to another team that was on a heater
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He did go 2-2 with the same players Fields had…
And somehow Getsy was able to have his QB throw the ball. When Tyson played, he was spreading the ball everywhere and to multiple receivers. Why cant Fields do that? Yes, sometimes to the other team but Fields does too, and fumbles.
It’s because he STILL can’t read defenses, anticipate open WRs, and/or get rid of the ball. Year 3 is very telling and Bagent made Fields’ weaknesses obviously clear. You do realize LOTS of people are having doubts and these types or thoughts for a reason, right?! Right?! It’s not like we’re just making shit up like you to defend him.
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Their one loss was a one point road loss to another team that was on a heater
Field’s lost to a team that gave up 70 points the game before. Gtfooh.
See we can do that too if you wanna cherry pick.
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I think it’s funny that you keep neglecting to say that Minnesota had won five of their last six, Including a win in which they pushed around the 49ers
And exactly wtf does that have to do with anything ? Or do you just want to tell us that you didn't watch the game.
You're acting like you're new to sports.
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And exactly wtf does that have to do with anything ? Or do you just want to tell us that you didn't watch the game.
You're acting like you're new to sports.
Lol
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He won two home games against Brian, Hoyer, and the worst team in the league hang a banner
He had good passing games against two of the worst passing defenses in the league, we need to keep him
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LMFAO
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He had good passing games against two of the worst passing defenses in the league, we need to keep him
And Yet Mahomes couldn’t solve Denver in two games. Dump Mahomes.
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Mn quoting his 3rd grade insult with an lol is classic stuff.
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Field’s lost to a team that gave up 70 points the game before. Gtfooh.
See we can do that too if you wanna cherry pick.
I always thought football was a team game. Weird.
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As I’ve said 58x, Bagent did just about everything you could ask of him. What he did was really good stuff being a UDFA D2 QB. Having said that, acting like beating Brian Hoyer/Raiders team that fired their coach the following week and the team with the worst record in the NFL by a two game margin at home is something Fields couldn’t have done is laughable.
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We saw what happened when Bagent tried throwing the ball more than 5 yards downfield.
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No clue if Fields could’ve won those games.
Is it possible Bagent could’ve won both of the games Fields had good games against instead of just one? Two of the worst passing defenses in the league?
Not a given but certainly possible.
I think it’s extremely funny how you use these two games against bad defenses - one of which Fields helped lose by turning the ball over - as basically the only compelling evidence for your point, while completely disregarding a two game sample from someone else because he played bad teams.
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Mn quoting his 3rd grade insult with an lol is classic stuff.
I don't know what to say if it went over your head.
Lol
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We saw what happened when Bagent tried throwing the ball more than 5 yards downfield.
And we’ve seen what happens when Justin Fields needs to throw the ball.
How could you expect Bagent to throw the ball more than 5 yards downfield with such a terrible OL, clown show at WR, and the worst OC in the league?
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No clue if Fields could’ve won those games.
Lololololololololololololololololololol
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And we’ve seen what happens when Justin Fields needs to throw the ball.
How could you expect Bagent to throw the ball more than 5 yards downfield with such a terrible OL, clown show at WR, and the worst OC in the league?
It’s amazing how much you sound like PAMan in some of your posts.
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No clue if Fields could’ve won those games.
Is it possible Bagent could’ve won both of the games Fields had good games against instead of just one? Two of the worst passing defenses in the league?
Not a given but certainly possible.
I think it’s extremely funny how you use these two games against bad defenses - one of which Fields helped lose by turning the ball over - as basically the only compelling evidence for your point, while completely disregarding a two game sample from someone else because he played bad teams.
This a PAMan post through and through. The defense helped blow the Denver game, too. They played a significant role in the loss.
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Lololololololololololololololololololol
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How could we know? He was hurt and didn’t play. Are you saying it’s just impossible that he has a bad game?
The amount of evidence you have to ignore to have your views is absolutely hilarious.
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This a PAMan post through and through. The defense helped blow the Denver game, too. They played a significant role in the loss.
Yep, as did Fields’ habit of turning the ball over at the worst possible time.
Right? Or just the defense?
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It’s amazing how much you sound like PAMan in some of your posts.
It’s amazing how much you sound like JeffFrank at the end of the Weber era in all of yours regarding Fields. An uncanny resemblance.
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How could we know? He was hurt and didn’t play. Are you saying it’s just impossible that he has a bad game?
The amount of evidence you have to ignore to have your views is absolutely hilarious.
Anything is possible, but I’m fairly certain Fields *could’ve* beaten a lifeless Raiders team behind a QB that had barely played in 4 years and the worst team in the league by a comfortable margin at home.
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Always an excuse, and those excuses are NOT allowed to be used by other quarterbacks or their offensive coordinator! They’re just his!
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When the fourth quarter of the Bears/Broncos game started the Bears were up by 14 and had the ball. Here’s how the drives went:
Bears Punt
Broncos TD
Fields fumble returned for a TD
Bears turnover on downs
Broncos FG
Fields INT
If you’re not willing to put ANY blame on Fields for that loss, then you’re not honest enough to really engage in debate with.
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Brian Hoyer has like 900 yards passing in the last 7 years and we’re supposed to act like beating him and a Raiders team that was clearly giving up on their coach is some sort of monumental feat.
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Anything is possible, but I’m fairly certain Fields *could’ve* beaten a lifeless Raiders team behind a QB that had barely played in 4 years and the worst team in the league by a comfortable margin at home.
Sure, he could’ve. He also could’ve turned the ball over consistently, been unable to move it through the air, etc and ended up with a closer game or a loss. He’s certainly shown that ability so far in his career - including in one of the two games you use as your main pieces of evidence.
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When the fourth quarter of the Bears/Broncos game started the Bears were up by 14 and had the ball. Here’s how the drives went:
Bears Punt
Broncos TD
Fields fumble returned for a TD
Bears turnover on downs
Broncos FG
Fields INT
If you’re not willing to put ANY blame on Fields for that loss, then you’re not honest enough to really engage in debate with.
The fumble was backbreaking, but it was a team loss.
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The bootleg was a bad call, too. Even the announcers hinted as much. IIRC they’d gone to the well one two many times. Man was in Fields’ face as soon as he turned around.
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Fields has like 45 turnovers in like 38 games 😂 and many of those in critical 4th quarter possessions.
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The bootleg was a bad call, too. Even the announcers hinted as much. IIRC they’d gone to the well one two many times. Man was in Fields’ face as soon as he turned around.
Aren’t you one to preach getting him out of the pocket?! You are constantly using hindsight to make your points. You’re being intellectually dishonest.
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It goes back to how predictable Getsy is in pressure situations. Hello, Bucs!
https://youtu.be/7VnxprA0m7M
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Brian Hoyer has like 900 yards passing in the last 7 years and we’re supposed to act like beating him and a Raiders team that was clearly giving up on their coach is some sort of monumental feat.
Nope, nobody said that. Surprised you’re not more impressed given Bagent’s work with the same nightmare roster and coaching staff that excuse all of Fields’ poor performances though.
The Denver Broncos gave up 70 points and then the next week Fields had a great first half and then handed them the ball three times in the last final minutes of a loss, and we’re supposed to act like that’s some monumental feat.
The Washington Commanders are the worst passing defense in the league by far but we’re supposed to act like Fields lighting them up is some monumental feat.
It’d just be nice if you even pretended to evaluate people consistently but you don’t. When people point out the Broncos have been a bad passing defense you point to the Mahomes game, but when Tyson Bagent comes up you immediately handwave it because the teams he beat weren’t good enough. You argue one thing when it supports your preconception and the exact opposite when it contradicts your preconception.
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It goes back to how predictable Getsy is in pressure situations. Hello, Bucs!
https://youtu.be/7VnxprA0m7M
Back to bad faith nonsense like clockwork.
When it’s all you have that supports your point - and it’s clear that it is - your point probably isn’t all that good. Something I know you’ll never consider.
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Aren’t you one to preach getting him out of the pocket?! You are constantly using hindsight to make your points. You’re being intellectually dishonest.
It can be true that Getsy sucks and the fumble was a killer. Justin needs to protect the ball better. He also needs coaches that put him in better situations. Fields will be an NFL starter somewhere next year. Getsy will likely be demoted to a lesser role.
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Back to bad faith nonsense like clockwork.
When it’s all you have that supports your point - and it’s clear that it is - your point probably isn’t all that good. Something I know you’ll never consider.
You sound like PAMan re: Denver. Dismissing the defensive collapse almost entirely. It was a team loss.
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The fumble was backbreaking, but it was a team loss.
He turned the ball over twice, plus a third one on downs, in the final seven minutes of a 3 point loss and not only isn’t that his fault, but this is actually part of the two game stretch showing that we should keep him as our QB.
Incredible how the evaluation changes 180 degrees depending on whether the results make Fields look good or look bad, huh?
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Nope, nobody said that. Surprised you’re not more impressed given Bagent’s work with the same nightmare roster and coaching staff that excuse all of Fields’ poor performances though.
The Denver Broncos gave up 70 points and then the next week Fields had a great first half and then handed them the ball three times in the last final minutes of a loss, and we’re supposed to act like that’s some monumental feat.
The Washington Commanders are the worst passing defense in the league by far but we’re supposed to act like Fields lighting them up is some monumental feat.
It’d just be nice if you even pretended to evaluate people consistently but you don’t. When people point out the Broncos have been a bad passing defense you point to the Mahomes game, but when Tyson Bagent comes up you immediately handwave it because the teams he beat weren’t good enough. You argue one thing when it supports your preconception and the exact opposite when it contradicts your preconception.
JJ and PAMan have repeated the 2-2 mantra dozens upon dozens of times…
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You sound like PAMan re: Denver. Dismissing the defensive collapse almost entirely. It was a team loss.
You sound like someone desperate to make Fields out to be better than he has been.
Yep, it was a team loss. Every loss is. Fields contributed a lot to it personally. You don’t want to acknowledge that though. If the Bears had simply not turned the ball over three times in the last seven minutes they would have won even with the defensive struggles. They did though. This is one of the two games that are your main evidence to keep him.
I just wish you’d even feign at logical consistency. You throw it completely out the window and it makes your point look even worse than it would if you were honest and willing to occasionally criticize Fields without making 3-5 excuses.
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It can be true that Getsy sucks and the fumble was a killer. Justin needs to protect the ball better. He also needs coaches that put him in better situations. Fields will be an NFL starter somewhere next year. Getsy will likely be demoted to a lesser role.
Based on his draft position and potential probably, yes. Doesn’t mean he will magically be able to do things that he wasn’t here?! Many organizations will HOPE he plays better. I hope he does, but he hasn’t proven it yet. Good QB play in the NFL is rare, so many teams will take those chance on potential. He’s just gotta live up to it and prove he’s good. He hasn’t so far.
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Well if Denver were so bad you’d think Mahomes could have done more than go for 1 TD and 3 INTs and a 1-1 record.
As I’ve had to tell PAMan multiple times, the NFL isn’t fucking college. It’s a week to week league.
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JJ and PAMan have repeated the 2-2 mantra dozens upon dozens of times…
And you’ve repeated the “Denver/Washington games” mantra twice as many, no doubt.
But the fact that they came against bad passing defenses doesn’t matter to you - you in fact will argue endlessly with someone who points out that fact. The opponent is only relevant when evaluating Bagent, not Fields. The roster and Playcalling are only relevant when evaluating Fields, not Bagent.
It’s the most obvious dishonest bad faith stuff and it undercuts your argument that you have to do it so consistently to make your point. If your point was good you could argue it without wildly shifting how you evaluate guys to fluff it up.
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JJ and PAMan have repeated the 2-2 mantra dozens upon dozens of times…
BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LISTENING!!!!
LOL
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Well if Denver were so bad you’d think Mahomes could have done more than go for 1 TD and 3 INTs and a 1-1 record.
As I’ve had to tell PAMan multiple times, the NFL isn’t fucking college. It’s a week to week league.
Do you think Denver has a good passing defense? The numbers indicate that they do not.
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You sound like someone desperate to make Fields out to be better than he has been.
Maybe I am.
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Do you think Denver has a good passing defense? The numbers indicate that they do not.
And yet Patrick Mahomes couldn’t solve them in two games.
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Maybe I am.
YES YOU ABSOLUTELY ARE!!!
!!!!!!
LOL
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And yet Patrick Mahomes couldn’t solve them in two games.
It’s a yes or no question.
Do you think Denver has a good passing defense?
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Maybe I am.
It’s exceedingly clear that you are, yeah.
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And yet Patrick Mahomes couldn’t solve them in two games.
Tom Brady once lost to a really bad team, I’m sure of it. Maybe he’s not as good as we thought!!!
See how fucking dumb that sounds?!
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I will own up to being a Fields apologist. I also know he’s had very little quality help the last 3 years.
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Apologist is selling it pretty short.
Like calling Jeff a Weber apologist. Like yes, but that doesn't portray the desperation, the willingness to be dishonest and completely flip how he evaluates a coach depending on what would make Weber look better, the mental gymnastics he did so consistently did to shield Weber from ANY blame whatsoever.
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I also know he’s had very little quality help the last 3 years.
Isn’t that why the teams are drafting QB’s in the top 5 usually?! Why is Fields get all the excuses?! They either over come that or they flame out and the team moves on. The good ones will elevate their team or else they’re gone.
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Tom Brady once lost to a really bad team, I’m sure of it. Maybe he’s not as good as we thought!!!
See how fucking dumb that sounds?!
So when Denver solves Mahomes twice that’s excusable, but when Fields shreds them, it doesn’t count. Got it.
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So when Denver solves Mahomes twice that’s excusable, but when Fields shreds them, it doesn’t count. Got it.
Do you think Denver has a good passing defense?
Yes or no.
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Do you think Denver has a good passing defense?
Yes or no.
Ask Patrick Mahomes. He’d know.
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I love that you added that Josh Rosen line to your signature as if I didn't produce articles calling him "can't-miss" and just made that up.
Pure dishonesty at every turn, exclusively in service of fluffing up the performance of a guy who hasn't been good in his career.
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Ask Patrick Mahomes. He’d know.
Oh here we are again. I'm asking you a direct question, and you're flatly refusing to answer.
And again, it's because you know the answer and it doesn't support your argument, so you simply deflect and refuse to answer it. My 12 year old niece does the exact same thing when she knows something will make the point she's trying to make look bad.
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If a dude is the 4th QB taken and the 10th overall he isn’t a “can’t miss.” Can’t misses at that position don’t get passed up 9 times.
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Oh here we are again. I'm asking you a direct question, and you're flatly refusing to answer.
And again, it's because you know the answer and it doesn't support your argument, so you simply deflect and refuse to answer it. My 12 year old niece does the exact same thing when she knows something will make the point she's trying to make look bad.
It’s the NFL, not college.
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If a dude is the 4th QB taken and the 10th overall he isn’t a “can’t miss.” Can’t misses at that position don’t get passed up 9 times.
I didn't say he was a can't-miss, but others did. I proved that, you just don't care.
What makes someone a "can't-miss prospect" if not people evaluating him and saying that?
Your evaluation process as to whether someone was a "can't-miss prospect" is "did he miss?" It's stupid as fuck, as most of these arguments you're making are.
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It’s the NFL, not college.
So is Denver a good passing defense or not?
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Can’t misses at that position go 1 or 2 at worst. Not 10th.
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So is Denver a good passing defense or not?
They play in the NFL.
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If a dude is the 4th QB taken and the 10th overall he isn’t a “can’t miss.” Can’t misses at that position don’t get passed up 9 times.
Sounds like Fields lol
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Can’t misses at that position go 1 or 2 at worst. Not 10th.
You think you know more about QB evaluation than Stewart Mandel at SI?
https://www.si.com/college/2017/04/10/usc-trojans-sam-darnold-ucla-bruins-josh-rosen
"UCLA's Josh Rosen was the can't-miss quarterback prospect in Los Angeles until USC's Sam Darnold took that title away from him last year. Their renewed battle is one of the top storylines of 2017."
Can't-miss prospects aren't real, that isn't a real thing. Every prospect can miss. Both the guys mentioned here as can't-miss prospects were bad in the NFL.
It's easy to say "can't-miss prospects DO exist!" and then simply refuse to acknowledge that the ones who missed were considered "can't-miss prospects". That's just an incredibly stupid way to debate something, by using the result to disregard the earlier prediction.
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Why are you trying to make him out to be more?!
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They play in the NFL.
So they're a good passing defense? Or no?
Brian Hoyer plays in the NFL - has for a long, long time now - but any win against him is completely disregarded because he isn't good enough.
So is Denver a good passing defense or not?
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Like it's totally fine to say, "well Denver's defense is an NFL defense so any good performance against them is a positive." Totally fine. But if you say that, then you can't handwave Bagent's success because it happened against bad teams - those are NFL teams, so by your own logic any good performance against them should be considered a positive.
It's also totally fine to say, "well Bagent won two but they were against bad teams so they don't count that much." Totally fine, but if you say that then you can't continue to point to Fields' two performances against bad defenses as evidence to keep him - those were bad teams, so by your own logic any good performance against them shouldn't count that much.
What you're trying to do is hold both things simultaneously depending on which one confirms your bias. Bagent won two but they don't count much because they were against bad teams; Fields had two great games and sure they were against bad defenses but these are NFL players, any good performance against them is great.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReGRnjwgT_U
"He can throw as well as anybody I've ever seen" - Troy Aikman on Josh Rosen
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And yet he was passed up 9 times and by 3 other quarterbacks. Seems like “can’t miss” wasn’t exactly a consensus opinion.
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It never is, because "can't-miss" isn't a thing that is real.
For everyone that's ever been called "can't-miss" and ended up a Hall of Famer, there are guys like Rosen or Darnold who were called "can't-miss" and flamed out. That's exactly my point - "can't miss prospect" isn't a real thing. EVERY prospect can miss.
But maybe you know more than Troy Aikman about playing QB. Just pointing out that credible people disagree with you.
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Of course, anyone can miss. But there are a handful of prospects that are virtually sure things. Elway, Luck, Manning, Barkley, Lawrence, and soon to be MHJ are about as sure a thing as you can get. But if you want to claim victory on the literal interpretation of “can’t miss,” I won’t fight you.
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Of course, anyone can miss. But there are a handful of prospects that are virtually sure things. Elway, Luck, Manning, Barkley, Lawrence, and soon to be MHJ are about as sure a thing as you can get. But if you want to claim victory on the literal interpretation of “can’t miss,” I won’t fight you.
But to repeat - I can find a similar list of guys who were called "can't miss prospects" who did miss. When your response to that is to say, "well they weren't can't miss prospects" - no shit, but they WERE called "can't miss prospects". That's my point. Every prospect can miss. No one knows. Even the guys evaluators think are "can't miss prospects" can miss.
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Andrew Luck and Trevor Lawrence were “can’t misses.” Josh Rosen was not, and his draft position reflects that.
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Andrew Luck and Trevor Lawrence were “can’t misses.” Josh Rosen was not, and his draft position reflects that.
Ryan Leaf was a cant miss prospect as well. You don’t use him because he doesn’t fit your narrative. You have hindsight to look back and you’re not gonna use that because he failed. What’s you’re doing is intellectually dishonest.
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Andrew Luck and Trevor Lawrence were “can’t misses.” Josh Rosen was not, and his draft position reflects that.
And yet, before the draft many people thought he was - along with Sam Darnold. It's almost like that isn't a real thing, huh? If only someone had been saying that.
Do you think you know more about playing QB than Troy Aikman? Credible people disagree with you. Josh Rosen was the best at throwing the ball that Troy Aikman had ever seen. Google his name and "can't miss" and you'll find lots of hits. Same with Darnold.
It's easy to look back at the guys who didn't miss and say "no THESE guys were the REAL can't miss prospects", it's just an exceptionally dumb way to argue.
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I don’t recall Leaf being a “can’t miss.” I remember GMs being tantalized by his upside. Ultimately Peyton Manning was deemed the more “can’t miss,” as he was picked first. As I remember it, it was the certainty of Manning vs the upside of Leaf.
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Anyway, I am done with the “can’t miss” debate because there will be no resolution and that conversation sucks. I do find humor in a “can’t miss” quarterback being the 4th quarterback taken off the board behind 6 non-quarterbacks though.
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Andrew Luck and Trevor Lawrence were “can’t misses.” Josh Rosen was not, and his draft position reflects that.
No one is a can't miss. If they were, then there wouldn't be a long list of guys who were called "can't miss prospects" who missed.
It's incredibly easy to look back, pick the ones who DIDN'T miss, and say "look, THESE were the REAL can't miss prospects". That's also very stupid.
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Anyway, I am done with the “can’t miss” debate because there will be no resolution and that conversation sucks. I do find humor in a “can’t miss” quarterback being the 4th quarterback taken off the board behind 6 non-quarterbacks though.
Guess you know more about playing QB than Troy Aikman.
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Sounds like Troy had his UCLA colored glasses on. Also said it was “unfair” to compare Rosen to Jay Cutler. Lol
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The best passing quarterback ever was the 4th quarterback taken off the board.
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I don’t recall Leaf being a “can’t miss.” I remember GMs being tantalized by his upside. Ultimately Peyton Manning was deemed the more “can’t miss,” as he was picked first. As I remember it, it was the certainty of Manning vs the upside of Leaf.
Wonder what the guy who made that choice has to say about it?
"And Polian said while there is no such thing on draft day as a "can't miss'' player, and while the Colts emphasize production in the process, he said the importance of "measurable" data in selecting players is impossible to overestimate."
https://www.colts.com/news/a-deep-group-5211202
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The best passing quarterback ever was the 4th quarterback taken off the board.
Credible people said that, yeah.
Troy Aikman IS credible regarding QB play, right?
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Jay Cutler could do things with a football few men could ever do. Was he a “great” quarterback?
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Credible people said that, yeah.
Troy Aikman IS credible regarding QB play, right?
Credible enough. Not infallible.
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Sounds like Troy had his UCLA colored glasses on. Also said it was “unfair” to compare Rosen to Jay Cutler. Lol
You might actually be the worst debater I've ever interacted with.
The evidence you find valid shifts completely based on whether it supports or contradicts the shit you've been saying.
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Well if Denver were so bad you’d think Mahomes could have done more than go for 1 TD and 3 INTs and a 1-1 record.
As I’ve had to tell PAMan multiple times, the NFL isn’t fucking college. It’s a week to week league.
It's a week-to-week league except when you play Denver, apparently.
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Credible enough. Not infallible.
Well you certainly didn't mind using something he said to try to invalidate MY opinion, but when he says something that didn't turn out true it's "well he's not infallible." No shit. No draft evaluation is infallible. My exact fucking point, to a T. Can't miss prospect is some shit you say LATER, when the guy DIDN'T miss. The guys who get that said about them before the draft miss regularly - and then since they miss, you say "well they weren't can't miss prospects!". It's recursive, laughable logic.
Credible people thought Josh Rosen was the best they'd ever seen at throwing the football. Fact.
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It's a week-to-week league except when you play Denver, apparently.
Mahomes had two shots and put up much worse numbers than Fields. Is what it is.
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Well you certainly didn't mind using something he said to try to invalidate MY opinion,
And here is where you have it dead wrong. I wasn’t trying to INVALIDATE your opinion. I was trying to validate opinions that disagree with yours.
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Mahomes had two shots and put up much worse numbers than Fields. Is what it is.
So is Denver a good passing defense?
If you start typing anything other than "yes" or "no", stop. It's a yes or no question.
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And here is where you have it dead wrong. I wasn’t trying to INVALIDATE your opinion. I was trying to validate opinions that disagree with yours.
You were pretty transparently appealing to Troy Aikman's authority as a former QB to try to invalidate mine. You even gave the snarky "and I think he knows a little bit about playing QB" line.
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You were pretty transparently appealing to Troy Aikman's authority as a former QB to try to invalidate mine. You even gave the snarky "and I think he knows a little bit about playing QB" line.
No, I’ve said multiple times over the last few days that I get the case against Fields and why they’d move on. I just disagree with it.
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I never tried to “invalidate” your opinion. I just tried to make a counter argument. Maybe if you can accept that we’d get somewhere.
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Fields since the Commanders game on October 5th:
3.5 games. 667 yards (190 per game, over 3.5 games), 2 TD, 1 INT, 86.51 passer rating.
267 rushing yards (76 per game, over 3.5 games), 1 rushing TD, 3 fumbles.
He had a great stretch for the Broncos/Commanders games, no doubt. Since then he has regressed back into a mediocre quarterback.
I hoped, like all Bears fans, that those Broncos/Commanders games were Fields turning a corner as a passer. All indications to this point are that he hasn't done that.
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Where is the improvement? Just not seeing it…
(https://i.postimg.cc/N0DcDx9y/IMG-5878.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3VpTmvZ)
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Where is the improvement? Just not seeing it…
(https://i.postimg.cc/N0DcDx9y/IMG-5878.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3VpTmvZ)
But surely you see that these numbers are nearly entirely because of two games in the first week of October, right? 80% of the TD and more than half the yards were in those two games two months ago. In the 3.5 games since he has 667 yards and 2 passing TD, with a passer rating in the mid 80's.
I posted his numbers since October 5th. He's been mediocre since the Commanders game. He was terrible coming into the Denver game, had two great weeks, and has been average since. It was a two game stretch where he played well.
Now, his average play lately is an "improvement" over the horrendous play he showed at the beginning of his third year, but that's an exceptionally low bar isn't it? He looked like a bottom-5 QB coming into the Denver game.
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No improvement, at all.
(https://i.postimg.cc/SK44Wxdx/IMG-5879.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qN1Wr0WP)
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This is hilarious. Spark just went “Trubisky Tampa game” on me.
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This is hilarious. Spark just went “Trubisky Tampa game” on me.
Huh?
One of us is arguing that a tiny sample size of good play is enough, but it isn't me.
I'm pointing out that other than that tiny sample size, he has still been mediocre as a passer - even since then. He's been a below average passer since the Commanders game.
Like literally, a little less than a QUARTER of those 33 total TD were passing touchdowns in those two games. That means that in 15 of those 17 games, he had 25 total touchdowns (a little more than 1.5 per game).
It also doesn't mention fumbles - he has 16 in those 17 starts. Not sure if that's the most in the league or not, but it's close (he had 16 last year, and that led the league). And 1200+ of those yards were rushing yards, meaning he has 3000 or less yards passing in 17 starts (3k in 17 starts is 175 a game).
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38 turnovers in 36 games. That’s atrocious.
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38 turnovers in 36 games. That’s atrocious.
Well, 28 fumbles + INT.
And he didn't lose all the fumbles, so it's not 28 turnovers.
But it's still a whole lot of fumbles.
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Whole lotta fumblin’ goin on! Whole lotta fumblin’ goin on! *rock and roll piano playing*
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Whole lotta fumblin’ goin on! Whole lotta fumblin’ goin on! *rock and roll piano playing*
Yep. A lot.
For comparison to some other QBs who have had at least some success running the ball:
Fields has 36 fumbles in 35 starts.
Deshaun Watson has 36 fumbles in 65 starts.
Kyler Murray has 38 fumbles in 61 starts.
Lamar Jackson has 53 fumbles in 73 starts.
Hurts has 34 fumbles in 46 starts.
For comparison to some previous guys who ran the ball a lot:
RG3 had 37 fumbles in 42 starts.
Cam Newton had 62 fumbles in 144 starts.
Mike Vick had 98 fumbles in 115 starts.
It's okay to admit that he fumbles far too often. He had two more today where he was down a split second before he lost the ball.
No idea if accurate, but from what I can tell Fields is the only guy to ever play that many games and average 1+ fumble per game.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-fumbles-per-game-career-by-qb
(That site says 35, football-reference says 36. Not sure which is right.)
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I’m gonna have to consult with Troy Aikman to see if this checks out.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3R63Kp6R/IMG-5881.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LYzcDqmK)
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https://x.com/79illwill/status/1733921966363640145?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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You mean Fields’ presence helps create mismatches? What a bizarre thought.
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But what about his passurs rayting?
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https://x.com/gbraggsjr23/status/1733922392689303563?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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I think I read the Bears are 2’d in cap space.
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Well, if Dave posted it, you have to do it.
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Well, if Dave posted it, you have to do it.
Of course, it’s Dave.
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Sure sounds like his teammates believe in him.
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Of course, it’s Dave.
He's the Carl of The Twotter.
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Sure sounds like his teammates believe in him.
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But what about his passerz raidings?
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Wasn't Tempo playing up Fields' passer rating until Spark pointed out that it got a little tilted due to 2 games?
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Wasn't Tempo playing up Fields' passer rating until Spark pointed out that it got a little tilted due to 2 games?
What about the Passerz raidings?
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Get the fuck out of here with your reasonableness. This from a Fields detractor btw.
(https://i.postimg.cc/2S76bzXd/IMG-5885.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9DzVsj2z)
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Sure sounds like his teammates believe in him.
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Sounds like he was shocked that the Lions blew it so bad.
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Get the fuck out of here with your reasonableness. This from a Fields detractor btw.
(https://i.postimg.cc/2S76bzXd/IMG-5885.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9DzVsj2z)
There are probably people saying that Justin Fields just sucks.
I don't think it's me though.
I've said over and over - I don't think he has shown nearly the improvement I'd need to see to pass on taking a top QB in the draft.
I don't think that's the same at all as saying "he sucks". He's probably right - if we didn't have a shot at a top QB other than spending to move up, the conversation about Fields is different - but of course that's true. It's a question of opportunity cost.
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Are passer ratings important? Yes, I’d say so. Do they tell the entire story, especially on a dual threat young quarterback who is still improving? Fuck no.
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I think I read the Bears are 2’d in cap space.
(https://i.postimg.cc/1znb6bnM/IMG-5883.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3sHQ2v0)
Is this not exactly what people said last year though Tempo?
Do you remember all last offseason when you were so bullish that Fields was going to be awesome this year that they made fun of you constantly (and you hated it)?
Has he been that awesome this year? You're still here making excuses for why he hasn't been that good.
And what do you do if we're in this same situation re: Fields one year from now, but you don't have the top pick?
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What about the Passerz raidings?
That's what I thought
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There are probably people saying that Justin Fields just sucks.
I don't think it's me though
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But what about his passurs rayting?
I mean, is that what you want to say really?
Who cares whether he can throw the ball?
He's an NFL QB man. Is it really asking a lot that he can efficiently and consistently move the ball with his arm? You consistently act like that's just a crazy thing to expect.
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I mean, sorry - you're going to argue over some shit you make up no matter what I say, I don't know why I even bother offering my own opinion.
I've never said Fields sucks. I've been talking all day about how electric he is with his legs. I've said over and over I see some improvement, but that that's a low bar. I've ALWAYS discussed the opportunity cost of using the first pick when talking about whether to keep Fields. Always.
If you're going to claim I've been saying Fields sucks, you're going to have to find the post where I said that.
He's a great runner, and a middling passer. He will be expensive after next year. I do not think spending money on a middling passer is a smart decision. This is what I've been saying consistently the entire time, please don't pretend it isn't.
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Is this not exactly what people said last year though Tempo?
So with 30 new players, a bottom 7 OC, probably bottom 10 skill talent, and early season injuries; because they didn’t hit the ground running the excuses tour is over? I never thought id see the day where you were as demandingly (a word?) unreasonable as ThePAMan. This team has finally played 2-3 games mostly healthy and we see the direction it’s going.
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Are passer ratings important? Yes, I’d say so. Do they tell the entire story, especially on a dual threat young quarterback who is still improving? Fuck no.
I think they pretty accurately show how a guy is doing as a passer. You're obviously happy enough to use them when Fields has good ones. QBR tries to include everything including rushing - which should be a huge win for Fields - but it also penalizes guys for fumbles and sacks, so he's pretty average in that stat too.
Honest question here, and I think this is central to the whole thing.
Do you think a shifty running QB like Fields, who has been only an average passer (if that), is a sustainable model for a successful QB long term in the modern NFL?
I do not. I like that he can run, but every "running QB" eventually has to become a pocket passer and he still hasn't shown the ability to do that with any consistency. I think a guy's rushing ability is a great asset as a complement to being a pocket passer, but I can't think of any QB who ended up actually being good in the long term whose primary weapon was his legs.
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Not to mention a lot of 1st and 2nd year players being integrated.
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So with 30 new players, a bottom 7 OC, probably bottom 10 skill talent, and early season injuries; because they didn’t hit the ground running the excuses tour is over? I never thought id see the day where you were as demandingly (a word?) unreasonable as ThePAMan. This team has finally played 2-3 games mostly healthy and we see the direction it’s going.
So no? You and others didn't spend all last year talking about how the Bears had a ton of cap space and draft assets and had an amazing opportunity to build around Fields, so he could have a huge breakout year in 2023?
I'm pretty sure you did man.
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The goal posts just keep moving.
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So no? You and others didn't spend all last year talking about how the Bears had a ton of cap space and draft assets and had an amazing opportunity to build around Fields, so he could have a huge breakout year in 2023?
I'm pretty sure you did man.
He said playoffs. Then, well, the goalposts moved when we saw the start of the season…
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So no? You and others didn't spend all last year talking about how the Bears had a ton of cap space and draft assets and had an amazing opportunity to build around Fields, so he could have a huge breakout year in 2023?
I'm pretty sure you did man.
So despite 30 new players, many of them inexperienced, a bottom 7 OC, bottom 10 skill positions, and early season injuries that hindered their ability to build cohesion; because they didn’t hit the ground running it’s Fields’ fault, obviously.
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This is like explaining “the tank” to Mn, Jobu, and ThePAMan. They’ve never been able to wrap their heads around it.
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Where is Mn, anyway?
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This is worse than Jobu mockingly preaching “patience.”
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Where is Mn, anyway?
Probably celebrating the Viking 3-0 victory over the Raider.
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So despite 30 new players, many of them inexperienced, a bottom 7 OC, bottom 10 skill positions, and early season injuries that hindered their ability to build cohesion; because they didn’t hit the ground running it’s Fields’ fault, obviously.
You're trying to deflect again. I didn't say it was Fields' fault - I'm actually not really talking about Fields at all. I'm talking about how we just did the "huge offseason overhaul, Fields and the Bears are going to show improvement!" thing LAST season. One year ago, that post would've been just as relevant.
But then after the actual overhaul, when they went out and got DJ Moore and spent a top ten pick on an offensive lineman etc., after those offseason moves last year that you hyped up as difference makers, they still looked like one of the worst teams in the NFL the first few weeks of the season. Once that happened suddenly it was unreasonable for people to have expected that the Bears show big improvement because they had a bunch of new players, and a bad OC, and terrible talent. The goal posts moved a LOT there.
I bet if I took 15 minutes I could find some posts from you during last offseason where you would've absolutely shredded someone that said "the Bears have no talent, they're not going to improve that much, Fields is still going to be inconsistent" etc. But now that it happened, you're acting like it was all part of the plan.
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So despite 30 new players, many of them inexperienced, a bottom 7 OC, bottom 10 skill positions, and early season injuries that hindered their ability to build cohesion; because they didn’t hit the ground running it’s Fields’ fault, obviously.
If Fields is around, you will just spout the same stuff. If not, you will be all over the rookie QB, whomever it is.
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This is like explaining “the tank” to Mn, Jobu, and ThePAMan. They’ve never been able to wrap their heads around it.
It's a mile away from where you put the goalposts coming into this season. Surely you see that.
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Probably celebrating the Viking 3-0 victory over the Raider.
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I was thinking severely depressed over JF having a solid game in a convincing win.
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I was thinking severely depressed over JF having a solid game in a convincing win.
Solid is an interesting word
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It's a mile away from where you put the goalposts coming into this season. Surely you see that.
I was overly optimistic. I’m a fan. I didn’t expect injuries to impact training camp the way they did, and probably underestimated how hard it is to bring in 30 guys in one year. Also, midseason. Injuries were pretty brutal. We played a stretch where we were missing arguably our 3 best linemen.
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I was optimistic for health and an opportunity to compete in a so so division with a weaker schedule.
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I was overly optimistic. I’m a fan. I didn’t expect injuries to impact training camp the way they did, and probably underestimated how hard it is to bring in 30 guys in one year. Also, midseason. Injuries were pretty brutal. We played a stretch where we were missing arguably our 3 best linemen.
I at least appreciate the acknowledgement that the goalposts have moved.
You were going on and on when I popped in here last offseason about Fields as a potential MVP candidate.
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https://x.com/hgrahamnfl/status/1734072204118089778?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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I'd rather have Jake Browning
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I just can’t imagine hearing a rival coach talk about your quarterback this way and the only thought that crosses your mind is “Can’t move off this guy fast enough!”
https://x.com/bradgalli/status/1732743707986624807?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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I just can’t imagine hearing a rival coach talk about your quarterback this way and the only thought that crosses your mind is “Can’t move off this guy fast enough!”
https://x.com/bradgalli/status/1732743707986624807?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Or he's playing chess......
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Or he's playing chess......
Exactly. It is like when Illinois is getting ready to shitcan a crappy coach all the other B1G coaches say that the Illini coach is great and should not be fired.
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Lol
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Looks like we found someone dumber than Beach Bum. Amazing.
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https://x.com/hgrahamnfl/status/1734072204118089778?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
I watched, obviously.
Electric with his legs. Average to below average passer. That’s what my eyes saw and what the numbers indicate. It’s what he’s been since the Washington game.
It’s clear that’s good enough for this guy - I want a QB who can throw the ball.
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I just can’t imagine hearing a rival coach talk about your quarterback this way and the only thought that crosses your mind is “Can’t move off this guy fast enough!”
https://x.com/bradgalli/status/1732743707986624807?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
He is definitely “dangerous”. He just doesn’t produce consistently in the passing game - only sporadically.
Being dangerous is great, but producing consistently as a passer is what the Bears need from a QB.
I asked yesterday but you didn’t answer - do you think being a great runner and average to slightly below average passer is a sustainable formula for a QB in the modern NFL?
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Ahhhhhh, so someone with a higher passer rating.
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I don’t think he’ll continue to be a below average passer. I know I know, no excuses tour is over!
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Well when he shows that he can be better than below average as a passer consistently we can revisit that, but as of December 11, 2023 that is wishful thinking. He’s in the middle of year 3.
You went on and on about him turning the corner and then he reverted into this average passer since.
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I’d argue Lamar Jackson was a slightly below average passer the last two seasons (before this year). He got rewarded with a 200 million dollar contract. But yeah, I want improvement in the passing game. Upgrade the talent around him, and we’ll get it.
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Do we have an offensive starter that’s ever made a pro bowl?
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I would’ve thought DJ had but according to his Wiki page, he hasn’t.
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He has to get through his reads faster. I've seen where read one is covered, read two is open, but by the time he gets to read two, it's covered. And if he has to get to read three, forget it. By then, he's running or getting sacked.
Guys are getting open. He's often not seeing them. I feel like he should be getting through his progressions faster by now. If he can get that part of his game down, it would greatly help him.
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Has Fields ever made a pro bowl?
I see we're back to “it’s unreasonable to have expected to see more improvement from Fields as a passer because of his teammates”
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I’d argue Lamar Jackson was a slightly below average passer the last two seasons (before this year). He got rewarded with a 200 million dollar contract. But yeah, I want improvement in the passing game. Upgrade the talent around him, and we’ll get it.
If Fields wins an MVP award he will probably get a big contract too
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If Fields wins an MVP award he will probably get a big contract too
So two full years of being a below average passer is ok, even great, as long as you won an mvp 3 years ago. Got it.
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So two full years of being a below average passer is ok, even great, as long as you won an mvp 3 years ago. Got it.
Do you want to compare Fields to Lamar? I’m willing to but if I tried to do that I have a feeling you’d mock the idea.
It’s obviously not going to turn out very well for Fields to do that - his best passing season so far is on the level that you’re criticizing Lamar for - but we can if you want.
I’d say Lamar’s been a bit disappointing lately yeah. He doesn’t run as much as he used to either - that’s kind of the point of wanting to see more of Fields as a passer.
Between the two of them Lamar has clearly had the better career but you’re here saying he’s been below average on a huge contract and that’s bad. But you also want to keep a guy and give him a one year chance to earn a huge contract despite having been below average thusfar.
You’re holding Lamar to a very different set of standards than Fields.
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I don’t think he’ll continue to be a below average passer. I know I know, no excuses tour is over!
Based on what?!
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Do you want to compare Fields to Lamar? I’m willing to but if I tried to do that I have a feeling you’d mock the idea.
It’s obviously not going to turn out very well for Fields to do that - his best passing season so far is on the level that you’re criticizing Lamar for - but we can if you want.
I’d say Lamar’s been a bit disappointing lately yeah. He doesn’t run as much as he used to either - that’s kind of the point of wanting to see more of Fields as a passer.
Between the two of them Lamar has clearly had the better career but you’re here saying he’s been below average on a huge contract and that’s bad. But you also want to keep a guy and give him a one year chance to earn a huge contract despite having been below average thusfar.
You’re holding Lamar to a very different set of standards than Fields.
I’m talking about the two previous seasons when Lamar wasn’t a particularly good passer.
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Do you want to compare Fields to Lamar? I’m willing to but if I tried to do that I have a feeling you’d mock the idea.
It’s obviously not going to turn out very well for Fields to do that - his best passing season so far is on the level that you’re criticizing Lamar for - but we can if you want.
I’d say Lamar’s been a bit disappointing lately yeah. He doesn’t run as much as he used to either - that’s kind of the point of wanting to see more of Fields as a passer.
Between the two of them Lamar has clearly had the better career but you’re here saying he’s been below average on a huge contract and that’s bad. But you also want to keep a guy and give him a one year chance to earn a huge contract despite having been below average thusfar.
You’re holding Lamar to a very different set of standards than Fields.
Do it.
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Based on what?!
My sphincter.
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I’m talking about the two previous seasons when Lamar wasn’t a particularly good passer.
They were about on par with Fields’ best year yet as a passer. So is that good enough, or no?
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Has Fields ever made a pro bowl?
I see we're back to “it’s unreasonable to have expected to see more improvement from Fields as a passer because of his teammates”
No, just like everyone else on his offense. Zero pro bowls, and zero excuses!
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They were about on par with Fields’ best year yet as a passer. So is that good enough, or no?
So two full years of being about on par with Justin Fields gets you 200 million. Not bad.
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They were about on par with Fields’ best year yet as a passer. So is that good enough, or no?
Ask the people that paid him 200 million dollars.
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My sphincter.
Yes you certainly are talking out your ass. What you’re basing it on is hope and that you want him to be good at passing. Reality says that’s just not the case. The actual evidence proves our point that you’re in fantasy land.
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Yes you certainly are talking out your ass. What you’re basing it on is hope and that you want him to be good at passing. Reality says that’s just not the case. The actual evidence proves our point that you’re in fantasy land.
I had not heard this theory. Very enlightening.
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I had not heard this theory. Very enlightening.
I was wondering. It’s funny you say that because it does seem obvious and you can’t see to grasp it. Almost like you’re not in reality and then saying we’re the crazy ones.
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So two full years of being about on par with Justin Fields gets you 200 million. Not bad.
Uh, no. The years you’re talking about as disappointments for Lamar are about on par with the best Fields has been. Lamar’s peak is far, far higher obviously - he is a former NFL MVP.
I’m legitimately shocked you really want to compare these two guys. When I compared Fields to guys like Jared Goff you acted like that was absurdly unfair
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Ask the people that paid him 200 million dollars.
He got paid that much because he’s shown the ability to be an awful lot better than that.
If Fields was a former NFL MVP this conversation probably looks different yeah? But instead his peak thusfar is to play at a similar level you’re mocking Lamar Jackson for.
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Lamar is clearly more accomplished and has stretches of better passing (he’s also had a couple of Pro Bowlers helping him!), but I’m surprised you’re so willing to write off two full seasons of back to back below average passing.
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He got paid that much because he’s shown the ability to be an awful lot better than that.
If Fields was a former NFL MVP this conversation probably looks different yeah? But instead his peak thusfar is to play at a similar level you’re mocking Lamar Jackson for.
I’m mocking your take more than his passing.
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Lamar is clearly more accomplished and has stretches of better passing (he’s also had a couple of Pro Bowlers helping him!), but I’m surprised you’re so willing to write off two full seasons of back to back below average passing.
I mean, they’re certainly disappointing from a guy who’s shown the ability to be a lot better than that and play at an MVP level. My guess is, if those two seasons were the best Lamar’s been instead of the worst, he not only wouldn’t have gotten a huge deal but they would’ve moved on a while ago. But they weren’t.
You’re here BRAGGING on a similar season from a guy who hasn’t shown that ability yet - a wild difference in standards between the two guys. One guy it’s his peak so far and for that guy it’s amazing improvement and they should keep him, potentially pay him a ton of money a year from now. The other guy it’s his valley so far and that guy it’s a big disappointment given how much they paid him. It’s not even internally consistent logic.
DJ Moore is going to make a pro bowl this year (despite likely not having a pro bowl QB throwing to him!).
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I’m mocking your take more than his passing.
You’re certainly trying to mock me. I’d say your efficacy is pretty questionable.
You ended up comparing Fields to Lamar Jackson as a way to fluff up Fields. That isn’t going to work out well for Fields, obviously.
If you want me to acknowledge that in Lamar’s worst years he was a similarly average-to-below passer as Fields has been in his best year, I will. I don’t get how that’s a point for Fields though.
The best Fields has been so far is pretty similar to the worst Lamar has been so far as a passer. Acknowledged.
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No, I wasn’t trying to “fluff up Fields” so much as point out that apparently very extended stretches of “below average passing” is apparently at least semi-sustainable, and can even help you get rich.
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I realize we’re on the zero excuses (and zero pro bowlers!) tour, but I’m not really counting last year against him. Sorry. He was put in the worst situation in the league in what should have been the critical year in his development. And he’s been better (even though Denver and Washington don’t count!) the last 7 games or so. Despite a lack of continuity and health on the zero pro bowler offense.
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Here's the comparison, since you're desperate to make it.
Career:
Lamar
64.3% completion, 182.4YPG, 5.8% TD%, 2.2% INT%. 2.65 TD per INT. Passer rating 96.9.
Fields
60.9% completion, 164.5YPG, 4.4% TD%, 3.2% INT%. 1.3TD per INT. passer rating 83.4.
Hard to see why somebody might think one of those guys was worthy of a big contract and the other one isn't, obviously!
Here's the list of their seasons by passer rating:
Lamar Year 2 113.3
Lamar Year 3 99.3
Lamar Year 6 97.7*
Fields Year 3 91.8*
Lamar Year 5 91.1
Lamar Year 4 87.0
Fields Year 2 85.2
Lamar Year 1 84.5
Fields Year 1 73.2
* is this year.
Again, hard to imagine how somebody might think one guy was worthy of a big contract and the other one wasn't!
Here they are by QBR.
Lamar Year 2 83.0
Lamar Year 3 67.3
Lamar Year 5 61.1
Lamar Year 6 59.7*
Fields Year 2 56.3
Lamar Year 4 50.7
Fields Year 3 48.3*
Lamar Year 1 42.6
Fields Year 1 26.4
* means it's this year.
Really similar, I totally understand why you wanted to compare these guys. They've had extremely similar careers, obviously. LOL.
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https://x.com/hgrahamnfl/status/1734072204118089778?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Maybe watch this again. Pay special attention to the the part 43 seconds in. “Last year, worst situation in the NFL.” In what should have been a critical year for his development. I think Orlovsky calling this overall unit “average” is probably being a bit generous.
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I realize we’re on the zero excuses (and zero pro bowlers!) tour, but I’m not really counting last year against him. Sorry. He was put in the worst situation in the league in what should have been the critical year in his development. And he’s been better (even though Denver and Washington don’t count!) the last 7 games or so. Despite a lack of continuity and health on the zero pro bowler offense.
You don't count ANYTHING against him, ever. If he plays well, it's because he's turning the corner and look at that amazing improvement! If he plays like shit, well he has no talent around him and a bad OC and his OL have had some injuries and a guy dropped a ball and the opponent blitzes a lot and he hurt his thumb two months ago.
You react this way with 100% consistency.
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Lamar also had far superior coaching, a top 5 offensive line, top 3 TE, and Marquise Brown who is about to get paid in free agency.
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Lamar also had far superior coaching, a top 5 offensive line, top 3 TE, and Marquise Brown who is about to get paid in free agency.
And has also played much, much better.
It was incredibly stupid of you to try to compare them. Lamar has been a LOT better, it's not really close.
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I count this season against him (mostly) and I see some improvement, despite a lack of continuity on his zero pro bowler offense. Over the last 7 or so games the results are largely positive. He’s got a better passer rating than Lamar the last two years despite a horrific 3 game stretch to start the season.
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And has also played much, much better.
It was incredibly stupid of you to try to compare them. Lamar has been a LOT better, it's not really close.
Overall, yes. The last two years? That’s pretty debatable.
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And has also played much, much better.
It was incredibly stupid of you to try to compare them. Lamar has been a LOT better, it's not really close.
Yes, Lamar played better; I’ll bet having reall ass NFL players around him the entire time and quality coaching helped.
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It was a little over a year ago Cole Kmet was looking like a bust. And Dante Pettis (currently unemployed football player) was a go to guy.
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The Denver and Washington games absolutely count. You better hope they do - without those games, he has been a bad passer this year. Those two games definitely count, but they are to this point your ONLY evidence regarding Fields becoming a good passer. That's the problem. It's not that they don't count - it's that they are an incredibly small sample size of actual good QB play.
Here's a fun stat for you. If the Denver and Washington games actually didn't count, here's what Fields' numbers would look like:
119/191 (62%), 1193 yards (170ypg), 5 TD, 5 INT. Passer rating of 77.85.
Those two games definitely count - they are the only reason Fields' passing numbers look even remotely acceptable this year.
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Yes, Lamar played better; I’ll bet having reall ass NFL players around him the entire time and quality coaching helped.
Compare Fields to Lamar all you want. You look like a moron doing it, obviously, but if that's the strategy you want to use go right on ahead. It's hard to put myself in the position of someone who thinks that was a good plan.
If Fields had ever had a season as good as one of Lamar Jackson's 3-4 best seasons, we wouldn't be having this discussion. He hasn't. His best season so far is similar to Lamar's 4th or 5th best year out of 6.
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https://x.com/idf162/status/1734021578093207797?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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I count this season against him (mostly) and I see some improvement, despite a lack of continuity on his zero pro bowler offense. Over the last 7 or so games the results are largely positive. He’s got a better passer rating than Lamar the last two years despite a horrific 3 game stretch to start the season.
Huh?
Every single time I have criticized his play this year you have deflected completely to talk about the OC, other guys on the roster, OL injuries, guys dropping balls, his hurt thumb.
The only games I have seen you accept as valid this year without that sort of deflection are Denver and Washington. When I asked if he deserved blame for HIS OWN play in another game, you literally couldn't even say "yes". You deflected, again, to talk about the other guys on the roster and the OC (who I hadn't asked about at all).
Not one single time this year have I criticized Fields' play and had you be like "yep, he played badly." It's always "EVERYONE played badly" or "they have 30 new players!" or "Scott cut his route off short!" or "the OC sucks!' or "their OL hasn't had enough continuity" or "they have bottom-7 talent in the league!"
100% of the time it's been that. Not once have you just said "yeah, Fields played badly in that game" about any game, this year or in previous years. Not one time.
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https://x.com/idf162/status/1734021578093207797?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
In before you're mocked for comparing Fields to Super Bowl winner Flacco.
He's "elite", if I remember right.
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Flacco was playoff MVP 10 years ago, so 9 years of below average passing is sustainable.
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Flacco was a career mediocre passer who had had one great playoff run in a contract year and then they paid him a ton of money based on a very small sample size of good play, hamstrung the rest of their roster, and never got anywhere near another SB. Another guy you probably don’t want to include in the Fields discussion, he’s an amazing example of how stupid it is to give huge deals to guys who haven’t shown the ability to be good passers consistently (even if their short stretch of great play was at the biggest moment).
You’re exceptionally bad at this.
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If we do what the Giants did with Daniel Jones or the Bulls did with Lavine, I might just be done with the Bears. Those are terrible fucking contracts that cripple a franchise.
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Caleb Williams on day 1 would be a better passer than Justin Fields. Without a doubt.
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Caleb Williams on day 1 would be a better passer than Justin Fields. Without a doubt.
This is exactly as stupid as the people so confident Caleb Williams sucks and is obviously a huge bust.
There is no way to know whether he is a better passer on Day 1 than Fields. We know he has a very high ceiling, and probably a lower floor than what we’ve seen of Fields so far. We also know he will be considerably cheaper than Fields will be to keep 18 months from now, giving the Bears a lot more flexibility to build a great roster around him for the next five seasons. He resets the QB salary timer, which is a big part of winning in the NFL.
There are no sure things in the NFL. Caleb Williams is not definitely a better passer than Fields on day 1. He IS a really good prospect, though. Before this season he was nearly unanimously considered the best QB prospect in a couple decades. Some of his shine came off because he was on a worse team this year, but he’s still the same guy NFL scouts said that about. That isn’t a sure thing; just a really good prospect. Pretty much everyone other than Bears fans who want to keep Fields seem to agree that he is a really good QB prospect historically.
I do think it’s funny watching the Mahomes stuff yesterday - if Caleb Williams had done anything half that crazy Bears fans would be declaring him a bigger bust than JaMarcus Russell.
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Caleb Williams on day 1 would be a better passer than Justin Fields. Without a doubt.
Better than the most accurate passer in the college PFF era, without a doubt!
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Flacco was a career mediocre passer who had had one great playoff run in a contract year and then they paid him a ton of money based on a very small sample size of good play, hamstrung the rest of their roster, and never got anywhere near another SB. Another guy you probably don’t want to include in the Fields discussion, he’s an amazing example of how stupid it is to give huge deals to guys who haven’t shown the ability to be good passers consistently (even if their short stretch of great play was at the biggest moment).
You’re exceptionally bad at this.
Yet the guy started like 8 years. I’m exceptionally bad at this.
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Better than the most accurate passer in the college PFF era, without a doubt!
Yep! I can play this game too!
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Yet the guy started like 8 years. I’m exceptionally bad at this.
Yep.
The guy was a mediocre QB on a huge contract for many years, which hamstrung his team and made it so they couldn't build another title contender around him. He wasn't good enough to elevate middling talent, and he was too expensive to go get better talent. He's the poster boy for why paying a dude a ton of money because of a few games where he was good and ignoring the majority of the games he's played is a huge, easily avoidable mistake - and his games came in the playoffs, not weeks 4 and 5.
Correct, you ARE exceptionally bad at this. Like, hilariously bad.
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Yep! I can play this game too!
What game, you lost me. You know who the most accurate college passer in the PFF era is?
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Yep.
The guy was a mediocre QB on a huge contract for many years, which hamstrung his team and made it so they couldn't build another title contender around him. He wasn't good enough to elevate middling talent, and he was too expensive to go get better talent. He's the poster boy for why paying a dude a ton of money because of a few games where he was good and ignoring the majority of the games he's played is a huge, easily avoidable mistake - and his games came in the playoffs, not weeks 4 and 5.
Correct, you ARE exceptionally bad at this. Like, hilariously bad.
Yep, he was so bad the Ravens signed him to ANOTHER 3 year deal after the huge disaster of a deal! Then signed with 3 other teams, earning starts at all of them along the way! I’m exceptionally bad at this!
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God damn, this thread never disappoints. Propping up Joe Flacco to somehow say Justin Fields is good.
So fucking weird.
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Hilariously bad, even!
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God damn, this thread never disappoints. Propping up Joe Flacco to somehow say Justin Fields is good.
So fucking weird.
You constantly missing the point is quite entertaining too.
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Jobu, want me to explain the tank to you again? Or why 2024 draftees and 2024 FAs haven’t helped the 2023 Bears yet? I’m here for ya!
That win you enjoyed yesterday…brought to you by…The Tank!
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Jobu, want me to explain the tank to you again? Or why 2024 draftees and 2024 FAs haven’t helped the 2023 Bears yet? I’m here for ya!
That win you enjoyed yesterday…brought to you by…The Tank!
Lol, no. I don't need you to explain anything to me. Thanks. I'll just continue to watch Spark kick the living shit out of you in here.
Oh, and what point am I missing. You're trying to say Joe Flacco was good because the Ravens continuously handed him bad contracts.
Like I said, it's a weird way to try to prop up Fields. But do that if you want lol.
And that win was also brought to us by a Lions team that is fraudulent and can't seem to figure out how to play outdoors.
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You constantly missing the point is quite entertaining too.
You’re the one missing the point…
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I never said Joe Flacco was particularly “good.” I was making the case that being a slightly below average passer APPARENTLY is sustainable! Lamar Jackson was also rewarded for two years of slightly below average passing! *Cue Oprah* You get slightly below average passing! You get slightly below average passing!
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Yep, he was so bad the Ravens signed him to ANOTHER 3 year deal after the huge disaster of a deal! Then signed with 3 other teams, earning starts at all of them along the way! I’m exceptionally bad at this!
(https://i.postimg.cc/C57Zt53C/IMG-5891.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QKBxK8xV)
If Joe Flacco is the kind of guy you're hoping to have at QB long term by re-signing Fields, you and I simply aren't going to agree.
He was a mediocre passer with a giant contract that resulted in a major limit on the team's roster building around him, all on the basis of a few great games at the right time.
I'd like to get an actually good QB, not pay 9 figures for "a guy".
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I never said Joe Flacco was particularly “good.” I was making the case that being a slightly below average passer APPARENTLY is sustainable! Lamar Jackson was also rewarded for two years of slightly below average passing! *Cue Oprah* You get slightly below average passing! You get slightly below average passing!
This is incredibly stupid. It's like you WANT to limit the Bears' ceiling. Every argument you make leans that way.
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You’re the one missing the point…
Missing the point you think Justin Fields sucks? I got that point.
Don’t think you answered. Who is the most accurate college passer in the PFF era?
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This is incredibly stupid. It's like you WANT to limit the Bears' ceiling. Every argument you make leans that way.
No, I want to maximize their ceiling. Why are you so convinced he can’t get better as a passer? Is it the great coaching he’s received, or the zero pro bowlers on the offense?
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What game, you lost me. You know who the most accurate college passer in the PFF era is?
I absolutely do. Fields. Appears that all the talent around him at O$U was the reason for that. When you’ve got wide-open receiver (check of them who’s in the NFL) and clearly better players, it makes it easy. He never had to anticipate a throw or make reads. You are really bad at this.
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Missing the point you think Justin Fields sucks? I got that point.
Don’t think you answered. Who is the most accurate college passer in the PFF era?
Aren't you big on COLLEGE IS DIFFERENT FROM THE PROS?
You were ranting about that the other day when saying that confirmed your bias. But now, you want to keep third year QB Justin Fields on the basis of the college season he had four seasons ago.
I don't care what PFF said about his college performance.
How does PFF rate his NFL performance so far? That's far more relevant, I'd think.
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USC doesn’t have talent. And those PAC whatever number they call it now defenses are known for being pretty rugged.
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No, I want to maximize their ceiling. Why are you so convinced he can’t get better as a passer? Is it the great coaching he’s received, or the zero pro bowlers on the offense?
If you wanted to maximize their ceiling you would not be here trying to do whatever stupid shit you're trying to do by pointing out the Ravens signed Joe Flacco to a couple huge contracts that basically ended their time as a title contender.
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So he’ll CERTAINLY be a better passer than the most accurate college passer in the PFF era from day one! It’s a certainty!
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USC doesn’t have talent. And those PAC whatever number they call it now defenses are known for being pretty rugged.
Do you think USC had as much talent at WR this year as OSU did with Fields?
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Aren't you big on COLLEGE IS DIFFERENT FROM THE PROS?
You were ranting about that the other day when saying that confirmed your bias. But now, you want to keep third year QB Justin Fields on the basis of the college season he had four seasons ago.
I don't care what PFF said about his college performance.
How does PFF rate his NFL performance so far? That's far more relevant, I'd think.
I’m tearing down JJs conclusion that Williams would be an OBVIOUS immediate upgrade.
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And to be clear, I am not "certain that he cannot improve as a passer".
I am concerned because he has started 35 NFL games and the "improvement" he's shown has resulted in a guy who is still not consistently even above average as a passer. He's mediocre in the passing game still to this day.
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I’m tearing down JJs conclusion that Williams would be an OBVIOUS immediate upgrade.
But you're doing it using arguments that are totally contradictory to arguments you made just recently to justify your own opinion.
I don't think it's that much to ask for some level of logical consistency. You make one argument when it confirms your bias, but then when someone says something you don't agree with you're willing to use the exact opposite argument to discount it.
What does PFF say about Fields' NFL performance so far?
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Do you think USC had as much talent at WR this year as OSU did with Fields?
As good as OSU? Probably not. But Jordan Addison, Brenden Rice, Tahj Washington, and Mario Williams aren’t exactly schleps.
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And to be clear, I am not "certain that he cannot improve as a passer".
I am concerned because he has started 35 NFL games and the "improvement" he's shown has resulted in a guy who is still not consistently even above average as a passer. He's mediocre in the passing game still to this day.
Your concern has been noted.
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This is incredibly stupid. It's like you WANT to limit the Bears' ceiling. Every argument you make leans that way.
Justin Fields willed last years’ team to high output offensive games virtually by himself and he’s “the anchor” holding the offense back. Let me guess, you’re one of the people who thought Darnell Mooney was a #1.
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Which non Pro Bowl Bears player is your offensive MVP? There’s plenty to choose from.
BTW DJ Moore will be making his first Pro Bowl this year, thanks to his upgrade at QB. I think they still have a perfect passer rating together this year? 13 games in.
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Granted, this is from a fantasy perspective, but the difference in production is stark. You think giving Fields MHJ doesn’t help? GTFOH
(https://i.postimg.cc/CKyLbK4x/IMG-5892.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ts5jjpfK)
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Schleps.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bYBwTLyJ/IMG-5893.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PN1HfW8s)
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As good as OSU? Probably not. But Jordan Addison, Brenden Rice, Tahj Washington, and Mario Williams aren’t exactly schleps.
Jordan Addison is in the NFL, he wasn't on USC this year.
Are any of those other guys top prospects? PFF says Brenden Rice is the best of them, they had him ranked as the 96th best player and 14th best WR on their draft board this year. They said he was the 88th best WR by play this year. They have Mario Williams as the 226th ranked prospect (there are 224 picks in the NFL draft) and the 450th best WR by play. I think Tahj Washington is below that as he isn't on the list - various other sites have him ranked 366th overall, "late day 3", a 7th round projection. No idea how credible, but doesn't seem like pretty much anyone thinks there was some particularly good crop of WR at USC this year (other than Fields fans).
If you're willing to compare that group to Chris Olave, Garrett Wilson etc. - guys who went 10-11 in the same draft - I don't know what to tell you. I think that's kind of silly and not all that honest. Fields had a much better corps of WR in college than Caleb Williams does.
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Schleps.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bYBwTLyJ/IMG-5893.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PN1HfW8s)
Jordan Addison is literally in the NFL right now. He was not on Caleb Williams' team this season.
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Which non Pro Bowl Bears player is your offensive MVP? There’s plenty to choose from.
BTW DJ Moore will be making his first Pro Bowl this year, thanks to his upgrade at QB. I think they still have a perfect passer rating together this year? 13 games in.
And his upgraded QB is a pro bowler too, right?
Or has he been extremely average?
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Your concern has been noted.
LOL.
You better hope you're right about Justin Fields.
You're likely to hear about it a lot for the rest of the time you spend here if you aren't.
You're at least twice as bullish about Fields as I was about Trubisky, and you thought that was worth mocking me for years.
I'm sure if you end up wrong you'll make some excuse though. Seems to be the way of it. You seem like the dude who could watch Fields go elsewhere and wash out of the league like Mitch is going to, and still be ranting in a decade about Getsy's play calling against the Lions in 2023 as the only reason Fields wasn't great.
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Granted, this is from a fantasy perspective, but the difference in production is stark. You think giving Fields MHJ doesn’t help? GTFOH
(https://i.postimg.cc/CKyLbK4x/IMG-5892.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ts5jjpfK)
No idea. MHJ isn't a sure thing either.
I will say, if your QB needs TWO #1 WRs to be better than the average passer we've seen this year, that isn't a good sign.
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Jordan Addison is in the NFL, he wasn't on USC this year.
Are any of those other guys top prospects? PFF says Brenden Rice is the best of them, they had him ranked as the 96th best player and 14th best WR on their draft board this year. They said he was the 88th best WR by play this year. They have Mario Williams as the 226th ranked prospect (there are 224 picks in the NFL draft) and the 450th best WR by play. I think Tahj Washington is below that as he isn't on the list - various other sites have him ranked 366th overall, "late day 3", a 7th round projection. No idea how credible, but doesn't seem like pretty much anyone thinks there was some particularly good crop of WR at USC this year (other than Fields fans).
If you're willing to compare that group to Chris Olave, Garrett Wilson etc. - guys who went 10-11 in the same draft - I don't know what to tell you. I think that's kind of silly and not all that honest. Fields had a much better corps of WR in college than Caleb Williams does.
He was on the team the year Caleb Williams won the Heisman Trophy and became “the next generational” quarterback. So we’re not counting Williams’ Heisman year as part of his college production? Weird stipulation.
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No idea. MHJ isn't a sure thing either.
I will say, if your QB needs TWO #1 WRs to be better than the average passer we've seen this year, that isn't a good sign.
Why do you hate Jalen Hurts?
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Why do you hate Jalen Hurts?
So stupid.
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MHJ isn’t a sure thing. Lol
I guess not.
But Caleb Williams is!
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If I’m betting my balls, I am absolutely betting on MHJ over Caleb Williams.
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So stupid.
Why does he need two #1s to be good?
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He was on the team the year Caleb Williams won the Heisman Trophy and became “the next generational” quarterback. So we’re not counting Williams’ Heisman year as part of his college production? Weird stipulation.
Huh?
I asked you "Do you think USC had as much talent at WR this year as OSU did with Fields?"
The first guy you listed was not on USC this year. The other guys you listed are mostly just "guys".
I suppose this is just another situation - like a handful this weekend - where you know answering the question honestly would undercut your point, so you just avoid the question and answer some other question instead.
Yes, Jordan Addison was a very good college WR. Caleb Williams was amazing with him.
The guys he had this year were not nearly as good, and Caleb Williams was still really productive.
If you're willing to compare the Rice/Washington/Williams group to the Olave/Wilson/JSN/Jameson Williams group with a straight face, there's obviously 0 chance you're ever going to be honest about this.
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Hurts’ passing numbers before getting two 1s were Joe Flacco like. Maybe Joe Flacco Lite.
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So we’re going to omit Williams’ Heisman season from his record. Mmmmkay.
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MHJ isn’t a sure thing. Lol
I guess not.
But Caleb Williams is!
Nope, but nobody does the "just make up a strawman" thing like you do bud. Why argue against what someone says when you can just make up something they didn't say and argue that instead?
I have been pretty clear on whether there's such a thing as a "sure thing" in the NFL draft. cReDibLE pEoPlE AgReE WiTh Me!
MHJ looks like a great prospect - but so does Caleb Williams. MHJ will rely on having a QB who can reliably get him the ball with his arms, or his production will be limited. I have not seen indication that Justin Fields can be that guy through 35 starts.
What do you do when you spend a top pick on a WR and he doesn't produce? What then? That can happen too, you know - it's not ONLY Caleb Williams who's capable of busting.
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So we’re going to omit Williams’ Heisman season from his record. Mmmmkay.
Nope, we're going to lie about what the other person's saying so we don't have to acknowledge reality I guess.
Pathetic. You're incredibly dishonest. Over and over and over and over and over you lie about what I'm saying to claim some meatheaded "victory".
I was curious about Caleb Williams' WR room THIS YEAR, because THIS YEAR you believe his draft stock dropped from "best prospect since Peyton Manning" to "likely to bust". His WR room THIS YEAR is nothing special by any accounting as far as I can tell, but you can't just say that because acknowledging it would make you look like a complete moron - so instead you start talking about guys he had LAST year. When I point out that I didn't ask about last year, I asked about this year for a reason, you do the stupid "SO LAST YEAR DOESN'T COUNT!!?!" thing.
Damn near every post you make you simply ignore what is said to you, extrapolate some stretchy and obviously unreasonable take from it, attribute that take to the other person, and declare victory. It's just lying, flat out. You're lying to try to win an argument about football.
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Granted, this is from a fantasy perspective, but the difference in production is stark. You think giving Fields MHJ doesn’t help? GTFOH
He was on the team the year Caleb Williams won the Heisman Trophy and became “the next generational” quarterback. So we’re not counting Williams’ Heisman year as part of his college production? Weird stipulation.
Why do you hate Jalen Hurts?
MHJ isn’t a sure thing. Lol
I guess not.
But Caleb Williams is!
So we’re going to omit Williams’ Heisman season from his record. Mmmmkay.
FIVE TIMES in the last two pages (~30 minutes), you have made up incredibly obvious strawmen to argue against instead of replying to the things I actually said in my posts. Five times in a half hour.
Gee, I wonder why people get so fucking tired of "discussing" these things with you? A true fucking mystery.
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From now on, any time you use an obvious strawman I am going to ask “did I say that?” and I’m not going to keep talking about it until you acknowledge that I did not.
I am incredibly tired of the never ending strawmen.
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Nope, but nobody does the "just make up a strawman" thing like you do bud. Why argue against what someone says when you can just make up something they didn't say and argue that instead?
I have been pretty clear on whether there's such a thing as a "sure thing" in the NFL draft. cReDibLE pEoPlE AgReE WiTh Me!
MHJ looks like a great prospect - but so does Caleb Williams. MHJ will rely on having a QB who can reliably get him the ball with his arms, or his production will be limited. I have not seen indication that Justin Fields can be that guy through 35 starts.
What do you do when you spend a top pick on a WR and he doesn't produce? What then? That can happen too, you know - it's not ONLY Caleb Williams who's capable of busting.
You haven’t seen it, so I guess you haven’t seen DJ Moore’s splits I just posted.
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I mean, your parameters for discussion are sometimes so ridiculous. You want to exclude Willliams’ Heisman season from his draft evaluation, and you once brought up “drops” as a source of quarterback adversity when we talked about how Justin Fields was given the worst situation in the NFL in a critical development year. Bottom 7 OL, bottom 1 receiving corps, rookie OC. But what about “drops” that Patrick Mahomes has to endure?!
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You haven’t seen it, so I guess you haven’t seen DJ Moore’s splits I just posted.
Did I say that?
I was talking about Fields’ performance this year. Have you seen those numbers?
They are average.
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I mean, your parameters for discussion are sometimes so ridiculous. You want to exclude Willliams’ Heisman season from his draft evaluation, and you once brought up “drops” as a source of quarterback adversity when we talked about how Justin Fields was given the worst situation in the NFL in a critical development year. Bottom 7 OL, bottom 1 receiving corps, rookie OC. But what about “drops” that Patrick Mahomes has to endure?!
Still lying - I didn’t “exclude” his Heisman season, you made that up. I specifically asked about his WRs this year, the year Fields fans decided he was an obvious bust. You couldn’t answer the question honestly, because to acknowledge that Caleb Williams didn’t have anything special at WR this year doesn’t confirm your biases and you exclusively ignore or handwave the parts of reality that don’t confirm your preconception. This is why instead of answering the question I asked, you simply moved the goalposts and answered a different question.
Of course his Heisman season counts. It was a monster season.
Lie about someone else for a while please. I am sick of it.
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If Joe Flacco is the kind of guy you're hoping to have at QB long term by re-signing Fields, you and I simply aren't going to agree.
He was a mediocre passer with a giant contract that resulted in a major limit on the team's roster building around him, all on the basis of a few great games at the right time.
I'd like to get an actually good QB, not pay 9 figures for "a guy".
And yet the re-signed him to another 3 year starters deal. Apparently below average passing IS sustainable! They were also a playoff team much of that time IIRC
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And yet the re-signed him to another 3 year starters deal. Apparently below average passing IS sustainable! They were also a playoff team much of that time IIRC
You’re a dishonest man.
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Between signing Flacco’s deal and drafting Lamar the Ravens we’re exactly .500 with one playoff appearance in 5 seasons. They lost in the divisional round.
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You’re a dishonest man.
They didn’t re-sign him? They haven’t been one of the winningest franchises in the NFL the last dozen years?
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Between signing Flacco’s deal and drafting Lamar the Ravens we’re exactly .500 with one playoff appearance in 5 seasons. They lost in the divisional round.
Wait what years?
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Wait what years?
They signed Flacco to the huge deal after he won the SB in 2012.
They drafted Lamar in the 2018 draft.
Between those two events, they were 76-76 with one playoff appearance.
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They had a stretch over like 6 years where they went 72-40 despite his “below average passing.”
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Also, what does Fields do that Flacco could never do?
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I’m checking out of this insanity. Tempo is a fucking idiot and will do/say anything to “win” and make up all kinds of shit. He’s dishonest and in lala land. Nothing he says is in reality and he’s just wishing and hoping. Delusional. His double standards and bullshit is exhausting. I’m done.
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You talk about my dishonesty but it seems you’re omitting a few seasons?
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I’m checking out of this insanity. Tempo is a fucking idiot and will do/say anything to “win” and make up all kinds of shit. He’s dishonest and in lala land. Nothing he says is in reality and he’s just wishing and hoping. Delusional. His double standards and bullshit is exhausting. I’m done.
Probably could paste this post into any Khalil Mack trade thread circa 2018.
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So JJ, why is it automatic that Caleb Williams will “no doubt,” be an automatic upgrade over the most accurate passer of the college PFF era. Other than your opinion.
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Tempo is “dishonest” but I’m going to omit several seasons off of Joe Flacco’s career to bolster my point.
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And also Caleb Williams’ Heisman season.
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So JJ, why is it automatic that Caleb Williams will “no doubt,” be an automatic upgrade over the most accurate passer of the college PFF era. Other than your opinion.
I did/said it on purpose you fucking idiot! I was doing the exact same thing as you and I got the exact response I thought you’d give too lol. You’re dumb as fuck.
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Anything to discredit someone to boost Fields. It’s fucking weird!!!!!!!!!!! That’s why I’m done discussing anything.
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You talk about my dishonesty but it seems you’re omitting a few seasons?
No, I counted every season between Flacco signing the huge contract and Lamar being drafted. There were 5. They were 76-76 with one playoff appearance.
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Tempo is “dishonest” but I’m going to omit several seasons off of Joe Flacco’s career to bolster my point.
Nope, lying again.
I stated why I used those years. It was every season between signing a mediocre passer to a huge contract and drafting another QB. You ignored it and tried to move the goalposts.
Lying.
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And also Caleb Williams’ Heisman season.
Nope, lying again.
Imagine if you asked me “were Fields’ WR good last year?” and in response the first guy I brought up was Allen Robinson. Then, when you pointed out Allen Robinson was not on the Bears last year, I started ranting about WHAT, THE YEAR BEFORE DOESNT COUNT??!
You’re either INCREDIBLY dishonest or not very smart based on these last few posts. I think it’s the first option, but not totally sure yet.
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I did/said it on purpose you fucking idiot! I was doing the exact same thing as you and I got the exact response I thought you’d give too lol. You’re dumb as fuck.
Lol ok!
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Nope, lying again.
Imagine if you asked me “were Fields’ WR good last year?” and in response the first guy I brought up was Allen Robinson. Then, when you pointed out Allen Robinson was not on the Bears last year, I started ranting about WHAT, THE YEAR BEFORE DOESNT COUNT??!
You’re either INCREDIBLY dishonest or not very smart based on these last few posts. I think it’s the first option, but not totally sure yet.
Did you omit part of Flacco’s career in your post?
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Nope, lying again.
I stated why I used those years. It was every season between signing a mediocre passer to a huge contract and drafting another QB. You ignored it and tried to move the goalposts.
Lying.
And yet they re-signed him for 3 of those years. So apparently middling passing isn’t as much of a deal killer as you’re making it out to be. And again, what does Fields do that Flacco never could?
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Was it a given that Lamar would improve as a passer this year after two straight years of being slightly below average?
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I did/said it on purpose you fucking idiot! I was doing the exact same thing as you and I got the exact response I thought you’d give too lol. You’re dumb as fuck.
Explain how I did the “exact same thing?” Im not following you here.
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And yet they re-signed him for 3 of those years. So apparently middling passing isn’t as much of a deal killer as you’re making it out to be. And again, what does Fields do that Flacco never could?
And then drafted a QB to replace him, which he did when Flacco got injured, and then led the Ravens to the playoffs and was an MVP the next year. At that point they traded Flacco for a 4th round pick.
Do you think it's just a coincidence that literally the entire time between when he signed that huge deal and when they drafted his replacement they were mediocre? You're welcome to believe that, lord knows no amount of evidence could ever change your mind about anything ever, but it's probably not a coincidence that they signed a mediocre QB to a huge contract and went from a Super Bowl winning team to a .500 team over the next 5 years overnight.
There are lots of things Fields does that Flacco never did.
- rush for 100 yards
- fumble once a game for 3 seasons as a starter
- get sacked on 10+% of his dropbacks
There are some things Flacco could do that Fields has never shown he can too, obviously. Doesn't mean he wasn't a mediocre QB who got way overpaid, leading to a stretch of 5 pretty mediocre seasons.
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Yes, like 9 years later they replaced him. Correct,
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Was it a given that Lamar would improve as a passer this year after two straight years of being slightly below average?
He had already shown the ability to do that and won an MVP, so it certainly wasn't crazy to think it could happen. If Fields was an MVP this year, no one would think we should move on from him.
If Lamar had been a mediocre passer his whole career and they gave him that contract in the hopes that maybe he would become a good passer later, it would've been universally derided (and rightfully so).
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Yes, like 9 years later they replaced him. Correct,
There were five years between when they signed him to a huge deal and when they drafted his replacement. They were mediocre seasons for the Ravens.
You can keep avoiding acknowledging the truth all you want. We all know honesty isn't a high priority for you in these discussions. But what I said is a fact: Flacco is a career mediocre passer. He got signed to a huge contract on the back of one short stretch (that admittedly happened at the best possible time and won them a Super Bowl). The five years after they signed him to that huge contract, they were a mediocre football team - until they replaced and traded him.
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It looks like 10-11 year starter Derek Carr has eclipsed Justin’s passer rating 5 times in his career. He also doesn’t do some things Justin can do.
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Did you omit part of Flacco’s career in your post?
I didn't omit any year that was included in the time frame I specified - the time between when they signed him to a huge contract, and when they drafted his replacement - no.
Did he play other seasons? Yeah, he played literally yesterday. Those seasons weren't at all relevant to my comment about the time between when they signed him, and when they drafted his replacement.
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It looks like 10-11 year starter Derek Carr has eclipsed Justin’s passer rating 5 times in his career. He also doesn’t do some things Justin can do.
Yep.
Would you be happy if the Bears had just signed Derek Carr for four years, $150m?
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Explain how I did the “exact same thing?” Im not following you here.
Just throwing out blanket statements and opinions based on nothing. No actual evidence. Just what I “think” and “hope” will happen. You go as far as have those opinions, even when the actual data and stats are against everything you believe. There’s no data to discredit my opinion, yet here you are doing it because you WANT Fields to be better.
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And yet they re-signed him for 3 of those years. So apparently middling passing isn’t as much of a deal killer as you’re making it out to be. And again, what does Fields do that Flacco never could?
In the period when he played for the Ravens after he signed the huge contract in the offseason after he won the Super Bowl in 2012, he was one game over .500 with a 82.3 passer rating.
They traded him in the offseason after the 2018 season after Lamar replaced him and led them to the playoffs. Since then they have made the playoffs 3 out of 4 years (so 4 out of 5 once they replaced him, 1 out of 5 with him on the big money contract). They switched to Lamar after 9 games in 2018. Since they made that switch, they are 59-27.
Do you think that's a coincidence? It might be, I suppose, I just kind of doubt it.
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Yep.
Would you be happy if the Bears had just signed Derek Carr for four years, $150m?
The point is his career has been pretty sustainable. And again, what can Fields do that he can’t? Are you sure Fields can’t get better as a passer?
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The point is his career has been pretty sustainable. And again, what can Fields do that he can’t? Are you sure Fields can’t get better as a passer?
Derek Carr's contract is a disaster man. It's going to kill them. It's the kind of deal that cripples a franchise long term, just like Flacco's did. I will bet you any amount of money that the Saints will do what they can to get out from that Carr contract for pennies before it is over.
Did I say that about Fields getting better as a passer?
Or have I said the exact opposite a hundred times in the last couple days?
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Just throwing out blanket statements and opinions based on nothing. No actual evidence. Just what I “think” and “hope” will happen. You go as far as have those opinions, even when the actual data and stats are against everything you believe. There’s no data to discredit my opinion, yet here you are doing it because you WANT Fields to be better.
I’ve cited multiple knowledgeable people who believe Fields is improving. People even more knowledgeable and credible than HQ2 posters believe it or not. Not that they are infallible, but they are credible.
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I’ve cited multiple knowledgeable people who believe Fields is improving. People even more knowledgeable and credible than HQ2 posters believe it or not. Not that they are infallible, but they are credible.
You're not trying to invalidate anyone's opinion, just consistently post media people who agree with you and point out how they're more knowledgeable and credible than the people who don't.
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Do you think the Daniel Jones contract will help the Giants, hurt them, or not really have any effect on their roster as a whole?
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It’s so obvious we need to move on from him ASAP.
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I’ve cited multiple knowledgeable people who believe Fields is improving. People even more knowledgeable and credible than HQ2 posters believe it or not. Not that they are infallible, but they are credible.
😂 you’ve cited other people’s opinions. That’s all. This isn’t hard, but you’re still not getting it.
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😂 you’ve cited other people’s opinions. That’s all. This isn’t hard, but you’re still not getting it.
What. In. The. Actual. Fuck.
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What. In. The. Actual. Fuck.
How are their opinions anymore “credible” than say Sparks or I’s?! Enlighten us!
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How are their opinions anymore “credible” than say Sparks or I’s?! Enlighten us!
They’re no fucking worse, that’s for sure. But I’m guessing they are better than HQ2 posters, in general. Even the exceptional HQ2 posters (which is pretty much everyone but me).
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I’m going to guess that people who have actually played in and worked around the NFL are on average slightly more credible than the HQ2 poster. Though that doesn’t mean they all agree or anyone’s opinion is infallible.
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I’m going to guess that people who have actually played in and worked around the NFL are on average slightly more credible than the HQ2 poster. Though that doesn’t mean they all agree or anyone’s opinion is infallible.
Like Aikman’s opinion who we’ve shown to be not credible actually. Again, Brad Biggs (whom you discount, wonder why) would fit exactly what you’ve stated above regarding the Bears organization. Yet you discredit it. Carry on…
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They’re no fucking worse, that’s for sure. But I’m guessing they are better than HQ2 posters, in general. Even the exceptional HQ2 posters (which is pretty much everyone but me).
These guys are credible when they agree with you.
When I use Troy Aikman’s comments about Trubisky or Josh Rosen as evidence, you disregard them out of hand and change your name / put a line in your signature mocking the notion. When I point out that Dan Orlovsky brought up very similar character / work ethic issues about Fields in his draft process as you do with Caleb Williams you disregard them, but when he says something you agree with you post it here and talk about how much more knowledgable and credible he is than the people you don’t agree with. Like literally the exact same people, when their views agree with yours you go on about their credibility, and when they don’t you disregard them.
You call an opinion “credible” when it confirms your own.
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I remember when Tempo called me disingenuous
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I remember when Tempo called me disingenuous
Hahahahahahaha
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Hahahahahahaha
Why the fuck are you laughing?
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I’ve heard people I think are credible say things I thought were dumb. I think Boomer Esiason is generally “credible,” but his take that the “Bears should stick with Tyson Bagent (if he continues to “play like he has”) was a comically bad take. I disagreed with him, but I still find him a generally “credible” voice. Everyone has bad takes, and you don’t have to be a crackpot to think that maybe Justin Fields can still be a franchise QB WTF. This conversation is ridiculous.
I’ve said 20x in the last few days the case to move on from Fields is “justifiable,” or in others words has some “credence.” You know what word is very similar to credence? Credible. How many fucking times do I have to say there is no 100% wrong or right side to this coin? JFC
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It’s that you’re trying to pass your hopes and dreams for Fields off as a fact, and it’s just not. All the evidence so far discredits your beliefs.
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Just heard a couple things I thought were interesting on the CHGO Bears podcast.
1) one host said “people should let go of what they think it should look like,” and recognize that the Bears are winning and that Justin Fields has made plays that have contributed to those wins. And yes, we all want to see more passing game from the no pro bowls offense (he didn’t say that part I did).
2) ironically, they compared his stats to 10 YEAR starter Derek Carr and came to the conclusion “Justin is 1,000x better than Derek Carr.” Probably an exaggeration, but you get the point 😂
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It’s that you’re trying to pass your hopes and dreams for Fields off as a fact, and it’s just not. All the evidence so far discredits your beliefs.
I can’t ever remember saying anything as “fact,” other than he has awesome potential and flashes enough of it to convince me to want to stick with it longer. He could wash out. I don’t ever recall saying he was a sure thing. I know his floor is reasonably high, though.
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Why the fuck are you laughing?
Because you made me laugh.
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I can’t ever remember saying anything as “fact,” other than he has awesome potential and flashes enough of it to convince me to want to stick with it longer. He could wash out. I don’t ever recall saying he was a sure thing. I know his floor is reasonably high, though.
Ok then, let’s just leave it at that.
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It’s so obvious we need to move on from him ASAP.
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No one has commented on this. Any takers?
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How many of those dudes would you trade Fields straight up for, no hesitation?
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Because you made me laugh.
Ok. Not sure why that was funny but whatever
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Just heard a couple things I thought were interesting on the CHGO Bears podcast.
1) one host said “people should let go of what they think it should look like,” and recognize that the Bears are winning and that Justin Fields has made plays that have contributed to those wins. And yes, we all want to see more passing game from the no pro bowls offense (he didn’t say that part I did).
2) ironically, they compared his stats to 10 YEAR starter Derek Carr and came to the conclusion “Justin is 1,000x better than Derek Carr.” Probably an exaggeration, but you get the point 😂
I read #1 and thought, "that's one of the stupidest things I've ever read."
Then I read #2.
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How many of those dudes would you trade Fields straight up for, no hesitation?
Not really the point. The point is he isn’t as disastrous as everyone says he is.
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I read #1 and thought, "that's one of the stupidest things I've ever read."
Then I read #2.
Kewl
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Ok. Not sure why that was funny but whatever
Oh, it was funny…
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Kewl
What was the point of sharing that? Who are those fucking idiots?
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Not really the point. The point is he isn’t as disastrous as everyone says he is.
No, I don’t think anybody here thinks he’s a disaster. It’s that so far he hasn’t been good enough.
The numbers he’s put up in his career you just debated are on par with QB’s you wouldn’t trade him for. You made sure to point that out in his defense, but now have no comment when the names are much better. Interesting. Can you see what you’re doing now??
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Oh, it was funny…
Why? I would love for you to explain it.
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Why? I would love for you to explain it.
Nah.
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Nah.
Lol
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I laughed again.
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Nice! Nothing wrong with that
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https://x.com/danwiederer/status/1734244078789841388?s=46
Pretty good tweet by Wiederer.
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Not really the point. The point is he isn’t as disastrous as everyone says he is.
Shocked you didn't answer - you even demanded comment on the thing, and then avoided the question I asked about it.
All of them, right?
If your answer isn't "all of them" I question what we're even talking about here.
I don't think Fields is a disaster. I think he's inconsistent. I think his passing numbers this year are being massively propped up by a great two game stretch, and other than those two games he's been mostly mediocre as a passer. And I think the Bears have the chance this offseason to draft the best QB prospect the franchise has ever had the opportunity to draft.
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I also think people really emotionally invested in Fields don't really want to discuss any of that. They want to look at those numbers you posted and say "SEE!?". They want to look at that drive where he threw the TD to Moore yesterday and "ignore how it looked" or whatever to say "SEE!? 3/3 passing, 43 yards and a TD! Great drive!" when anyone watching that drive knows it was a complete disaster.
I am looking for sustainable, consistent production as a passer - and he has not shown that to this point.
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Peyton Manning just said “I like his pocket presence.” I remember several years back when Spark mocked me relentlessly for using the term (what does that even mean? Lol)
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I also think people really emotionally invested in Fields don't really want to discuss any of that. They want to look at those numbers you posted and say "SEE!?". They want to look at that drive where he threw the TD to Moore yesterday and "ignore how it looked" or whatever to say "SEE!? 3/3 passing, 43 yards and a TD! Great drive!" when anyone watching that drive knows it was a complete disaster.
I am looking for sustainable, consistent production as a passer - and he has not shown that to this point.
Well I think people have it in their minds of what good quarterbacking is supposed to “look like.” Beautiful stats, near flawless play. Look around the league. There’s a lot of ugly football going around. I know you’re on the no excuses tour, but I still think he can get better.
I am looking for play-making ability, toughness, maturity, leadership. Fields has all of that in spades.
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Honestly, there are a couple of other factors that enter into the equation IMO. People see the quick success of Mahomes and Burrow and think “that’s what it’s supposed to look like.” Well, that’s the rarest of the rare.
Also, I think there is still a lot of scar tissue from Mitch for Bears fans. They don’t want to go through that again. So there isn’t much patience out there these days. Yep, patience, Jobu!
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Peyton Manning just said “I like his pocket presence.” I remember several years back when Spark mocked me relentlessly for using the term (what does that even mean? Lol)
Well, if credible people are saying it.
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Well I think people have it in their minds of what good quarterbacking is supposed to “look like.” Beautiful stats, near flawless play. Look around the league. There’s a lot of ugly football going around. I know you’re on the no excuses tour, but I still think he can get better.
I am looking for play-making ability, toughness, maturity, leadership. Fields has all of that in spades.
Yeah, and if you watched Fields in that game yesterday and thought "well, we can win this way sustainably even if it isn't pretty and we have to pay $100m for this type of QB play" then I disagree. His most productive drive as a passer yesterday featured two plays that are turnovers probably 40-50% of the time, one play where he got absolutely drilled in the head area on a run, and one of the worst defensive meltdowns you'll ever see in an NFL play for a 38 yard TD. It's not that it "wasn't pretty" - it's that it's not at all sustainable.
Play-making ability is great, but if he can't throw the ball consistently then it will be taken away. Toughness, maturity, leadership - all great qualities for a guy who is a great passer, but if you're a mediocre passer it doesn't really matter how mature you are. You're likely going to have a tough go as an NFL QB. A lot of mediocre to bad QBs were tough, mature leaders. You have to actually produce.
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Jordan Love. So much better than Justin Fields.
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Well, if credible people are saying it.
Peyton Manning. Pretty credible.
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Yeah, and if you watched Fields in that game yesterday and thought "well, we can win this way sustainably even if it isn't pretty and we have to pay $100m for this type of QB play" then I disagree. His most productive drive as a passer yesterday featured two plays that are turnovers probably 40-50% of the time, one play where he got absolutely drilled in the head area on a run, and one of the worst defensive meltdowns you'll ever see in an NFL play for a 38 yard TD. It's not that it "wasn't pretty" - it's that it's not at all sustainable.
Play-making ability is great, but if he can't throw the ball consistently then it will be taken away. Toughness, maturity, leadership - all great qualities for a guy who is a great passer, but if you're a mediocre passer it doesn't really matter how mature you are. You're likely going to have a tough go as an NFL QB. A lot of mediocre to bad QBs were tough, mature leaders. You have to actually produce.
I think yesterday’s game is closer to Fields’ floor than his ceiling. Still a pretty good game for the zero pro bowls offense.
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Peyton Manning. Pretty credible.
Better hope he doesn't say anything negative about Justin Fields, otherwise you might have to completely disregard his opinion next time!
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I think yesterday’s game is closer to Fields’ floor than his ceiling. Still a pretty good game for the zero pro bowls offense.
You've literally named the offensive unit after an excuse you want to make for Justin Fields.
Just embarrassing shit.
By the numbers, yesterday was almost exactly an average game for Justin Fields this year. It is not his floor, at all. It was maybe his fourth or fifth worst game out of 8.5 this year. And that's exactly the problem.
You can say "that's closer to his floor than his ceiling", but when he's been worse than that numerous times in his third year as a starter (even accepting the notion that his first 25 starts or whatever don't count) maybe it isn't that close to his floor? Maybe it's, like, an average game for Justin Fields as a passer.
EDIT: edited to more accurately reflect what you said.
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By passer rating, yesterday was his 13th best game out of 35 starts. Only counting this year, 4th out of 8.5.
By rushing yards, 15th out of 35. Only counting this year, 4th out of 8 (not counting the half for counting stats)
By passing yards (223), 7th out of 35. Only counting this year, 3rd out of 8 (not counting the half for counting stats)
By AY/A, 12th out of 35. Only counting this year, 4th out of 8.5.
Even if I accept the notion that no games he played in before this season counted, it's much closer to his median (top half in all those categories) than his floor.
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Better hope he doesn't say anything negative about Justin Fields, otherwise you might have to completely disregard his opinion next time!
I watched him call the Bears game on the Manning cast once, seemed to be a fan and rooting for him.
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Hit me with yer statz.
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So you think he’s exactly the same quarterback he was his first two years?
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You've literally named the offensive unit after an excuse you want to make for Justin Fields.
Just embarrassing shit.
By the numbers, yesterday was almost exactly an average game for Justin Fields this year. It is not his floor, at all. It was maybe his fourth or fifth worst game out of 8.5 this year. And that's exactly the problem.
You can say "that's closer to his floor than his ceiling", but when he's been worse than that numerous times in his third year as a starter (even accepting the notion that his first 25 starts or whatever don't count) maybe it isn't that close to his floor? Maybe it's, like, an average game for Justin Fields as a passer.
EDIT: edited to more accurately reflect what you said.
#noexcuses
You literally have gotten to a point where I can’t tell who is more unreasonable. You, or the PAMan. At least I think the PAMan is sometimes playing a bit.
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So you think he’s exactly the same quarterback he was his first two years?
Did I say that?
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Did I say that?
Well you just compared his most recent game with his entire career so it seems you implied it.
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#noexcuses
You literally have gotten to a point where I can’t tell who is more unreasonable. You, or the PAMan. At least I think the PAMan is sometimes playing a bit.
If you think it's unreasonable to think saying "the zero pro bowls offense" over and over is cringey, embarrassing shit then fair enough. :)
I'm curious what you thought was so unreasonable about that post? You said it was "closer to his floor than his ceiling". I don't think that's true, and the actual data doesn't really show that to be true either. It shows a pretty average result for Justin Fields, even while disqualifying his first 26 starts or whatever.
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Well you just compared his most recent game with his entire career so it seems you implied it.
LOL.
I'm trying to find SOME data regarding Justin Fields' performance that you will conclusively acknowledge as valid.
I provide the whole career data, but you say that can't count - so fair enough. I provide just this season's data so you can see what it looks like with your "most of his career doesn't count" rule applied. And you still find some reason not to count it.
What WILL you accept? Do I really need to limit it to just "2023, weeks 4-5" to make these discussions seem "fair" to you?
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The comparisons to David Carr are hilarious. What Bear fan is clamoring for David Carr?
That Tempo says yesterday was closer to Fields' floor, and then Spark noting that he has had untold numerous worse games, is one of the funniest things I have read in a while.
Well done, chaps
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It’s no one specific post. It’s your “no excuses” tangent. It’s laughable you think he’s supposed to overcome pedestrian talent (and that’s when it’s at its best), worse coaching, injuries, and being left for dead in his 2nd year and still play like an unquestioned franchise quarterback.
#noexcuses PAMan approves
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It’s no one specific post. It’s your “no excuses” tangent. It’s laughable you think he’s supposed to overcome pedestrian talent (and that’s when it’s at its best), worse coaching, injuries, and being left for dead in his 2nd year and still play like an unquestioned franchise quarterback.
#noexcuses PAMan approves
Mahomes would be in heaven with the Bear receiving corps at this point
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It’s no one specific post. It’s your “no excuses” tangent. It’s laughable you think he’s supposed to overcome pedestrian talent (and that’s when it’s at its best), worse coaching, injuries, and being left for dead in his 2nd year and still play like an unquestioned franchise quarterback.
#noexcuses PAMan approves
At what point in Justin Fields' career will it be fair to evaluate his performance?
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The comparisons to David Carr are hilarious. What Bear fan is clamoring for David Carr?
That Tempo says yesterday was closer to Fields' floor, and then Spark noting that he has had untold numerous worse games, is one of the funniest things I have read in a while.
Well done, chaps
We were talking about Derek Carr.
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Mahomes would be in heaven with the Bear receiving corps at this point
Hahaha see, at least he’s playing a bit.
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The comparisons to David Carr are hilarious. What Bear fan is clamoring for David Carr?
That Tempo says yesterday was closer to Fields' floor, and then Spark noting that he has had untold numerous worse games, is one of the funniest things I have read in a while.
Well done, chaps
This post gets the subject wrong, and the point. Well done!
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At what point in Justin Fields' career will it be fair to evaluate his performance?
Next year for sure. Give him a 4th year, like Mitch had.
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So next year if he doesn't perform in the passing game, you won't be like "well they had x new players" or "there's a new OC, you can't expect him to perform right away" and then later "well <new OC> isn't playing to Fields' strengths" or "he had these injuries on his offense" or "MHJ is a rookie, you can't expect him to dominate right away" or anything along those lines?
These.. reasons you say this year has gone the way it has for Fields as a passer?
Next year it's put up - turn the corner and be consistently productive in the passing game - or shut up - we're moving on?
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I think by year 4, with time to integrate all the new players and needed upgrades and one would think time to build more cohesion, sure. You have to make a decision next year anyway, because after that he gets expensive. Do you think I’ll be making excuses for him year 5 and 6?
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We were talking about Derek Carr.
David, Derek, Vicki, no one is clamoring for a Carr or someone with Carr-like numbers.
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Next year for sure. Give him a 4th year, like Mitch had.
Just since you brought up "like Mitch". I was wrong about Mitch, and obviously higher than you were after those solid years when the Bears were winning. I'm sure I was still defending him after year 3 in Chicago, when his play had fallen off a lot from the year before, and in retrospect I was wrong about that. I stuck with him too long.
I could be totally wrong about this, but I like to think that IF, that year, the Bears somehow had the #1 pick in the draft and could've drafted Burrow I would've thought that was probably the right move. That is something that absolutely plays into this conversation more than probably either of us acknowledge.
A few times you've said I thought Fields just sucks. I don't, really. I obviously see his appeal, especially in the run game where he's undoubtedly super fun to watch and exciting. The fact that the Bears not only have the #1 pick this year, but in a year that supposedly has two really, really good quarterback prospects that will almost certainly go #1 and #2, meant I probably needed to see more out of Fields than I would've in a regular old "3rd year QB" situation. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that if the Bears had only their own pick, I would be right there with you saying I thought Fields needed another year. Or like, if the Panthers pick were at 3rd instead of 1st, I probably think differently about the whole thing.
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I think by year 4, with time to integrate all the new players and needed upgrades and one would think time to build more cohesion, sure. You have to make a decision next year anyway, because after that he gets expensive. Do you think I’ll be making excuses for him year 5 and 6?
I have no idea - I'm kind of shocked you still make so many excuses for him now, obviously.
But I see just from this post that that probably isn't going to happen next year, LOL.
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Hahaha see, at least he’s playing a bit.
He would kill for them at this point
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David, Derek, Vicki, no one is clamoring for a Carr or someone with Carr-like numbers.
To be clear, his brother David was also a #1 overall pick QB, he was just a huge bust. Derek's had a solid if unspectacular career.
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This post gets the subject wrong, and the point. Well done!
You're the idiot who said yesterday was his floor when we have seen him completely.suck ass, even this year, instead of be barely mediocre like he was yesterday.
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David, Derek, Vicki, no one is clamoring for a Carr or someone with Carr-like numbers.
And no one attempted to make the case that anyone was. Read the thread.
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You're the idiot who said yesterday was his floor when we have seen him completely.suck ass, even this year, instead of be barely mediocre like he was yesterday.
Lol
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And no one attempted to make the case that anyone was. Read the thread.
You have compared his numbers to a Carr. No one wants either one of the Carrs or anyone else with those numbers.
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Lol
That's why I was laughing. It was so stupid of you to actually argue.
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After all the years of Tempo mocking Spark for Trubisky, revenge is a dish best served cold.
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After all the years of Tempo mocking Spark for Trubisky, revenge is a dish best served cold.
Yep
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You have compared his numbers to a Carr. No one wants either one of the Carrs or anyone else with those numbers.
Context is everything. To PAMan, it means nothing.
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Context is everything. To PAMan, it means nothing.
No one wants a QB with those numbers.
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I decided if I wanted to speak with any sort of authority on any of these QB prospects, I better at least watch some of their game tape so watching the every Caleb Williams play highlights of USC/Washington (going to do Notre Dame next, wanted to see one of his best games and one of his worst).
I gotta say, the good is ... pretty spectacular. It's not hard to see watching him what would be exciting to an NFL team. Not saying he will be as good as either of these guys necessarily, obviously college shit will not translate to the NFL necessarily (there were 2-3 plays on it that he makes that he would probably need to cut to be effective in the NFL), but his STYLE of play reminds me of Aaron Rodgers (can make quick decisive throws, but if it's not there can effectively improvise and make plays throwing the ball) mixed with the shiftiness of Justin Fields on the ground (Williams made a couple guys look absolutely fucking silly with his legs, both behind and in front of the LOS. if you haven't seen it check out the sideline spin move he hits in this game, absolutely absurd).
Will watch the "bad" now and see how bad it is.
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Notre Dame game:
The first pick happens right away, I think his second or third passing attempt. It was a bad throw, a matter of balance - he's moving backwards off balance and tries to float one, floats it over his guy's head. Pretty bad, a mental error as much as a physical one IMO. If he plants his back foot this is probably a completion.
ND seems like they spend a lot of time in the backfield (frankly Washington did too, but he got rid of it much quicker). He's still electric with his legs and has made a couple plays out of nothing at all, but ND did a better job than Washington did containing his running game.
He probably has a long "time to throw" metric based on these games, but part of it is that he seems to have really good understanding of where the pocket is - there are times when one side of the line is beaten, but he instinctively has drifted into the open space away from them.
Just saw a 3rd down late in the third quarter deep in ND territory that probably should've been a TD but his pass didn't have enough zip on it and the dude got blown up before he could get around the corner.
Second pick is with 5 minutes left in the 2nd quarter deep in his own territory. Pocket collapses and he makes another dumb decision, trying to throw into a tiny window off-balance (looked like he maybe slipped a little? it was an absolute prayer in any circumstance, terrible decision).
Just saw the third one. 3:35 left in the second quarter. Just trying to make too much happen honestly. Pressure coming from the corners, the pocket breaks down, he breaks out to his left and tries to make a cross-body throw. The last two of them were like, "i CAN make miracle plays, so I'm sure I can make THIS miracle play" type decisions. Seems like he will probably need to learn when to throw the ball away. These two picks seemed like a "compounding errors" situation. The first one resulted in a quick TD, and the second one was pretty classic "tried to do way too much" shit.
Just fumbled right at the end of the first half on a blind side hit - didn't look like terrible ball protection, he just gets hit in the back and coughs it up.
Early in the third he almost throws a pick right into a defensive lineman's face. Kid made a hell of a play on it.
Early fourth quarter he makes fantastic play and throw to a dude who dropped it in the end zone - but the next play made a crazy scramble to his left and found an open man for a TD. Pretty incredible throw, but dangerous.
Gotta say, even in the bad game - I see it. He seems pretty decisive and accurate when there's an open throw. He hit his drop and let it rip decisively more often than I expected him to. He missed a few open throws (more than in the UW game) but honestly not that many. The bigger issue are the plays where he just tries to do too much. Is accurate with some crazy arm angles when dudes are in the backfield. It was definitely a bad game especially from the mental standpoint IMO, but he made some absolutely ridiculous plays with both his legs and his arm.
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That's why I was laughing. It was so stupid of you to actually argue.
Read the thread.
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No one wants a QB with those numbers.
Wasn’t the point.
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Spark is doing a deep dive on the tape. This is fantastic.
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Read the thread.
I did. You made numerous bad arguments.
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And Tommy DeVito just beat the Packers. Maybe Fields can be as clutch as DeVito in year 4?
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Can usually tell when PAMan has been hitting the sauce.
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Jordan Love. Definitely better than Fields.
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Can usually tell when PAMan has been hitting the sauce.
What are the odds Fields beats the Packer week 18? Not very good.
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Jordan Love. Definitely better than Fields.
DeVito better than both of them. NFC North sucks.
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What are the odds Fields beats the Packer week 18? Not very good.
A bit early to say. We shall see.
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A bit early to say. We shall see.
He still sucks.
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DeVito better than both of them. NFC North sucks.
How are you not on tv instead of Troy Aikman?
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He still sucks.
Drink some water, take two aspirin and go to bed.
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What a brutal division this is.
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Spark is doing a deep dive on the tape. This is fantastic.
Only fair, right?
Have you watched much of his tape?
Obviously I'm completely unqualified to evaluate any QB prospect for an NFL job, but..
It's pretty ridiculous... LOL. Whatever play he needs to make, from what I've seen he can make it. The adjustment for him will be learning when to throw it away/take the sack rather than try to make the "are you fucking kidding me" type play (which, my guess is whatever team he ends up on, he will make at least a few of those plays). He may not end up good, but I can definitely see why someone might think he would, even in the ND game (which seems like it's probably the worst game he's played in college - those 3 picks in that game represent 20+% of his total college INTs).
I will do Maye next but it'll probably be tomorrow.
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How are you not on tv instead of Troy Aikman?
I should be..I would actually be better at saying who sucks instead of claiming Trubisky and Fields were competent QBs like Aikman has.
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At one point you compared Caleb Williams to Fields and I see why, he definitely has similarly shifty moves with his legs that make defenders look stupid as fuck.
To me he reminded me more of a Rodgers (again, not saying he'll be as good as him - or even as good as Fields necessarily - just in terms of HOW he played). When Fields breaks out of the pocket he is usually looking to run - rightfully so, probably. What I saw of Caleb when he breaks out of the pocket is he wants to extend the play and throw it. That tendency got him in trouble in that Notre Dame game, but he also pretty consistently in both games made plays like that that made me go "wow".
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What a brutal division this is.
Say it 36 more times and maybe we’ll get it
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Say it 36 more times and maybe we’ll get it
The Bear should have a far better record given the schedule and the lousy division. Fire everyone.
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Say it 36 more times and maybe we’ll get it
I'll post 36 takes saying the same thing from My Space for you.
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The Bear should have a far better record given the schedule and the lousy division. Fire everyone.
lol
Hopefully you aren’t too hungover today.
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Not that I take it seriously, but I just saw a mock draft that had Caleb Williams going 6th. Lol
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Not that I take it seriously, but I just saw a mock draft that had Caleb Williams going 6th. Lol
Yes, you do take it seriously, otherwise you wouldn’t post it here and make a point to show us. You’re delusional about Fields so this doesn’t surprise me, but in no world of reality, does Caleb Williams get drafted sixth.
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Only posted it to show that he’s not really the obvious number 1 pick anymore. I still think he goes number 1, would be shocked if it’s worse than 2. So, no, I don’t really take it seriously. But you are doing an admirable job trying to fill in for Mn. By the way, I hope he’s ok.
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Only posted it to show that he’s not really the obvious number 1 pick anymore. I still think he goes number 1, would be shocked if it’s worse than 2. So, no, I don’t really take it seriously. But you are doing an admirable job trying to fill in for Mn. By the way, I hope he’s ok.
Yeah, he’s still the obvious number one pick. The media can try and tell you otherwise, but if you polled all 32 NFL GM’s, I’m sure they’d say the same thing. Remember, 99% of media is literally just like you and I. I will admit (you won’t) that some have access to inside information of franchises and do know more.
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And Mn is posting here in other threads, just probably not to you because it’s exhausting. You live in a delusional world and are disingenuous in your posting. Just look at this thread.
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Lol
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My guess is he’s not posting here because the Bears dominated the division leader and Fields was solid.
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Not that I take it seriously, but I just saw a mock draft that had Caleb Williams going 6th. Lol
Oh look, I just saw a tweet that said to trade DeVito for Fields straight up! It was from Ben in the media! Oh btw, where’s the proof from your mock draft?!
https://x.com/ben06628678/status/1734418229387227313?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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My guess is he’s not posting here because the Bears dominated the division leader and Fields was solid.
LOL
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Oh look, I just saw a tweet that said to trade DeVito for Fields straight up! It was from Ben in the media! Oh btw, where’s the proof from your mock draft?!
https://x.com/ben06628678/status/1734418229387227313?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Don’t you get tired of calling me a liar then being proven wrong like every single time?
https://www.on3.com/news/2024-nfl-mock-draft-drake-maye-caleb-williams-shakeup/
(https://i.postimg.cc/1t49mYkn/IMG-5902.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sQdFKKDs)
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LOL
If the Bears had lost 31 to 6 and Justin Fields turned it over three times I’m highly confident he’d be here talking about the Bears
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And Mn is posting here in other threads, just probably not to you because it’s exhausting. You live in a delusional world and are disingenuous in your posting. Just look at this thread.
Yes, I’m sure debating someone who thinks Justin Fields isn’t a lost cause has to be EXHAUSTING.
And way to latch on to Spark’s takes.
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Yeah, he’s still the obvious number one pick. The media can try and tell you otherwise, but if you polled all 32 NFL GM’s, I’m sure they’d say the same thing. Remember, 99% of media is literally just like you and I. I will admit (you won’t) that some have access to inside information of franchises and do know more.
Yeah, some do. I’m not sure Brad Biggs is one of them.
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Oh look, I just saw a tweet that said to trade DeVito for Fields straight up! It was from Ben in the media! Oh btw, where’s the proof from your mock draft?!
https://x.com/ben06628678/status/1734418229387227313?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Ben IN THE MEDIA (with 3 followers)? Looks to me like he’s an Illinois fan, probably from the UC area with no real social media foot print, or following.
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Not that I take it seriously, but I just saw a mock draft that had Caleb Williams going 6th. Lol
You didn’t at all respond to any of my posts watching his tape
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My guess is he’s not posting here because the Bears dominated the division leader and Fields was solid.
God damn did Fields have a horseshoe up his ass this week to get the “solid” label.
Fields wasn’t very good this week as a passer.
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Don’t you get tired of calling me a liar then being proven wrong like every single time?
https://www.on3.com/news/2024-nfl-mock-draft-drake-maye-caleb-williams-shakeup/
(https://i.postimg.cc/1t49mYkn/IMG-5902.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sQdFKKDs)
Based on what I saw on their tape whoever takes Maye over Williams is likely to seriously regret it.
Maye looks like a tough kid and a gamer, but there are quite a few things he will need to learn to do to be a good NFL QB. Caleb doesn’t have much he needs to learn to do, he has some things he needs to learn not to do. I’d much rather take that second thing.
I’ll be really surprised based on tape of Williams’ worst college game if he isn’t the #1 pick. He’s an obvious stud who pops off the screen IMO.
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Yeah, some do. I’m not sure Brad Biggs is one of them.
Until the next time his opinion confirms mine at which point I will point out that he’s a credible source with obvious access to the Bears FO
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Mn was probably turned off on the argument that the Bears should keep and pay a guy with Carr-like numbers.
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(https://i.ibb.co/8Py3yPF/IMG-2964.png) (https://ibb.co/qmHGHmb)
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If ESPN printed it, it must be true!
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If ESPN printed it, it must be true!
Hell yeah! Aikman who?!
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You didn’t at all respond to any of my posts watching his tape
Why would I? I believe you admitted yourself you’re not really qualified to scout quarterbacks. I’ve read some of the professional scouting reports. I honestly thought it was hilarious you were “reviewing the film.” I do tip my cap to your dedication though.
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Why would I? I believe you admitted yourself you’re not really qualified to scout quarterbacks. I’ve read some of the professional scouting reports. I honestly thought it was hilarious you were “reviewing the film.” I do tip my cap to your dedication though.
Says the guy who has admitted to not watching college football for years.
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(https://i.ibb.co/8Py3yPF/IMG-2964.png) (https://ibb.co/qmHGHmb)
Wow, you found a mock draft that had the Bears selecting Caleb Williams number 1? Well done. That must have taken 5-10 seconds.
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God damn did Fields have a horseshoe up his ass this week to get the “solid” label.
Fields wasn’t very good this week as a passer.
I keep saying “he’s improving,” Spark says he doesn’t see it. Here’s an article where they say some improvement is obvious, and they use statz to back it up.
https://beargoggleson.com/posts/notable-differences-since-justin-fields-returned-chicago-bears-injury/3
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Only fair, right?
Have you watched much of his tape?
Obviously I'm completely unqualified to evaluate any QB prospect for an NFL job, but..
“But…here we go! Why didn’t you respond?”
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Why would I? I believe you admitted yourself you’re not really qualified to scout quarterbacks. I’ve read some of the professional scouting reports. I honestly thought it was hilarious you were “reviewing the film.” I do tip my cap to your dedication though.
Pardon me for trying to actually watch the fucking guy play.
You’re an asshple who would rather come here and be like DERP ONE MOCK DRAFT SAYS HELL GO 6TH than actually fucking talk about him, because acknowledging any positive about Caleb Williams rather than just writing him off completely cuz he bought a nice car with the money he earned is too much like criticizing Justin Fields Christ.
You shit all over this board with meathead The Score bullshit all day every day and when someone actually goes and watches a guy’s tape to have a more informed opinion about something you laugh at him.
A complete waste of fucking time you are
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“But…here we go! Why didn’t you respond?”
Next time I’ll stick to shit like him saying fuck you or buying a car with money he earned
You know, evaluate the shit that really matters
You’re an absolute dipshit. God forbid somebody try to provide some substance here
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I keep saying “he’s improving,” Spark says he doesn’t see it. Here’s an article where they say some improvement is obvious, and they use statz to back it up.
https://beargoggleson.com/posts/notable-differences-since-justin-fields-returned-chicago-bears-injury/3
Nope, you’re lying.
Sparks said at least a couple dozen times now that he’s improved. And that he hasn’t improved enough as a passer.
If you watched Justin fields play quarterback yesterday and thought “solid for an NFL starter” then I wouldn’t mock anybody else trying to evaluate a player - you obviously don’t know shit about football. He was not good passing the ball yesterday. He finished w 224 yards and 1 TD, 38/1 of which were on probably the worst defensive play any team in the NFL will make this year - but hey, he was solid! Just look at the numbers!
Literally like talking to a five year old
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Spark, I have said 15x since last week that your positions have validity. And yet get accused of trying to “invalidate” your positions. If they move on from Justin Fields, I will know and understand the case why. I just don’t agree with it personally.
You have accused me of “being dishonest,” yet purposefully omitted information you didn’t want in a discussion. You use the SAME tactics I do. I don’t see how you don’t see this.
All I have tried to do is present my case for why I’d keep Fields. I am shouted down at every turn. It’s my “OPINION, MAN!”
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Go fuck your self tempo. You’re not worth even talking to.
You’re a constant liar, incapable of making a decent argument without lying a half a dozen time.
And frankly you don’t even want to discuss anything here with anyone. You want to win. I actually went to try to educate myself on some shit like a grown up and you laughed at me.
Go piss up a flag pole you fucking meathead
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Spark, I have said 15x since last week that your positions have validity. And yet get accused of trying to “invalidate” your positions. If they move on from Justin Fields, I will know and understand the case why. I just don’t agree with it personally.
You have accused me of “being dishonest,” yet purposefully omitted information you didn’t want in a discussion. You use the SAME tactics I do. I don’t see how you don’t see this.
All I have tried to do is present my case for why I’d keep Fields. I am shouted down at every turn. It’s my “OPINION, MAN!”
Why would you laugh at someone for watching film, and reporting what he sees? That's a dick move, man.
It's football. It's not rocket science, or painting the fucking Mona Lisa. FTR, I enjoyed Spark's observations. Sorry you had to be an asshole.
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The guy who admitted he’s isn’t at all qualified to scout quarterbacks just ripped me because of his quarterback play evaluations.
I’m currently in the middle of watching an evaluation from a person who actually is qualified to do such evaluations, and a third of the way through the video he’s talked more about Fields making chicken salad out of chicken bleep than bad quarterback play. He did say that he thought Fields missed a read on a wheel route, though.
Can I sign up for your Patreon page? I’d like to contrast your analysis to his.
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The guy who admitted he’s isn’t at all qualified to scout quarterbacks just ripped me because of his quarterback play evaluations.
I’m currently in the middle of watching an evaluation from a person who actually is qualified to do such evaluations, and a third of the way through the video he’s talked more about Fields making chicken salad out of chicken bleep than bad quarterback play. He did say that he thought Fields missed a read on a wheel route, though.
Can I sign up for your Patreon page? I’d like to contrast your analysis to his.
You're a fucking asshole, Tempo. There's no debating that. I'm gonna go ahead and be done talking to you as well.
What the fuck happened? There's no reason for this.
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Been watching him all year, his thoughts on the “details” and most of the offensive “design,” are not good. You know what that is? Coaching.
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You're a fucking asshole, Tempo. There's no debating that. I'm gonna go ahead and be done talking to you as well.
What the fuck happened? There's no reason for this.
Sig worthy.
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He fucking admitted he isn’t qualified to scout. I actually have other things to do in my life. I ALREADY waste too much time here, I don’t need to read lengthy scouting reports from someone who admits he isn’t qualified (and debate them). I know Caleb Williams is good at football, already. Sorry if that’s harsh. It’s not like you pricks are sensitive to me. Fuck you, Jobu.
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You know who else has great college tape? Justin Fields.
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Why would you laugh at someone for watching film, and reporting what he sees? That's a dick move, man.
It's football. It's not rocket science, or painting the fucking Mona Lisa. FTR, I enjoyed Spark's observations. Sorry you had to be an asshole.
You are the last person that should be preaching about civility here. Fuck off.
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He fucking admitted he isn’t qualified to scout. I actually have other things to do in my life. I ALREADY waste too much time here, I don’t need to read lengthy scouting reports from someone who admits he isn’t qualified (and debate them). I know Caleb Williams is good at football, already. Sorry if that’s harsh. It’s not like you pricks are sensitive to me. Fuck you, Jobu.
Fuck you too, you piece of shit. At least he made the effort to watch film himself, and describe what he sees. I actually enjoyed reading his observations.
There was no reason for you to laugh at him for doing that. None. You're just a fucking prick.
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You are the last person that should be preaching about civility here. Fuck off.
Fuck you. Piece of shit.
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He fucking admitted he isn’t qualified to scout. I actually have other things to do in my life. I ALREADY waste too much time here, I don’t need to read lengthy scouting reports from someone who admits he isn’t qualified. I know Caleb Williams is good at football, already. Sorry if that’s harsh. It’s not like you pricks are sensitive to me. Fuck you, Jobu.
You think we NEED to read you jerk off all over your Justin Fields numbers (but only since the Denver game, nothing before that counts!) or Troy Aikman agrees with me and he’s more credible than you meathead drivel 100 times a day?
No, we don’t. If you want to only stick to shit other people “need to hear” that’s fine, but it means you’re pretty much banned.
Me watching an hour of tape and providing my thoughts here is a more substantive contribution than I’ve seen you make to the discussion, ever. So cram that nonsense right up your ass where it belongs.
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I like Spark, I like busting his balls. I think he’s a good guy. I’m just not going to debate college tape, I waste enough time here. There’s a reason Williams has been called “generational,” I’m sure he’s talented.
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Lot of mansplaining here
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I like Spark, I like busting his balls. I think he’s a good guy. I’m just not going to debate college tape, I waste enough time here. There’s a reason Williams has been called “generational,” I’m sure he’s talented.
Who said you had to debate anything? He was describing what he saw. He wasn't asking anybody to refute anything.
Again, there was no reason for you to be like that. None. So, again, go fuck yourself, you piece of shit.
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Fuck you too, you piece of shit. At least he made the effort to watch film himself, and describe what he sees. I actually enjoyed reading his observations.
There was no reason for you to laugh at him for doing that. None. You're just a fucking prick.
Well he calls me a liar all the time despite doing the same things he accuses me of.
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I like Spark, I like busting his balls. I think he’s a good guy. I’m just not going to debate college tape, I waste enough time here. There’s a reason Williams has been called “generational,” I’m sure he’s talented.
You literally haven’t even watched the tape on him?
“I’m sure he’s talented”?
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Lot of mansplaining here
Tempo is a piece of shit. If he wants to debate that, fine with me. But I'm on the right side of it.
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I do appreciate Spark’s effort. And yes, it was a dick move. I feel a little bit bad about it, but I’m tired of being called a liar and disingenuous when I only use the same tactics everyone else uses here. Mn and PAMan would never fudge or omit details, amirite?
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Well he calls me a liar all the time despite doing the same things he accuses me of.
You are a fucking liar. And he doesn't do the same things. You're lying about that too, you piece of shit
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You literally haven’t even watched the tape on him?
“I’m sure he’s talented”?
I don’t watch college football. I’m not in charge of Bears’ scouting. If they draft him, I’ll watch it. Until then, I don’t give a fuck.
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I do appreciate Spark’s effort. And yes, it was a dick move. I feel a little bit bad about it, but I’m tired of being called a liar and disingenuous when I only use the same tactics everyone else uses here. Mn and PAMan would never fudge or omit details, amirite?
You are a liar. And you are disingenuous. Stop being like that, and people won't call you that anymore.
Jesus Christ, are you 12? I can't believe I have to tell anyone that.
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You are a fucking liar. And he doesn't do the same things. You're lying about that too, you piece of shit
STFU you’re such a hypocrite.
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I do appreciate Spark’s effort. And yes, it was a dick move. I feel a little bit bad about it
You're lying about that too, you piece of shit
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STFU you’re such a hypocrite.
Fuck you
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Who said you had to debate anything? He was describing what he saw. He wasn't asking anybody to refute anything.
Again, there was no reason for you to be like that. None. So, again, go fuck yourself, you piece of shit.
I was legitimately interested in what Tempo thought of him, totally agnostic of any discussion about Justin Fields.
But the truth is this: Tempo has no idea. He hasn’t watched the guy’s tape, he simply reads what other people say and parrots it (IF it says he sucks, because the most important part of any discussion about Caleb Williams is to make sure there is no criticism of Justin Fields, ever.). He repeats opinions that confirm his biases, and he insists THOSE are the more credible ones. He even gets mad if people don’t comment on them.
But god forbid someone actually go try to educate themselves about a guy, watch some tape, see what he’s about. Tempo doesn’t wNt to talk about that. He wants to post that tweet about Fields’ passer rating and demand you comment, and then he wants to mock you for being dumb enough to think passer rating is a relevant stat when you point out Fields’ passer rating isn’t actually very good since those two monster games.
He isn’t interested in discussing anything. He wants to pretend people who don’t agree with him are idiots, mock them for daring to have opinions he doesn’t agree with and using data to back those opinions up, and move on. That’s why he’s here.
I literally did it thinking, “maybe I can at least offer some substance here that even if he doesn’t agree with me, he will engage with?” But that was my mistake for thinking he’d be anything other than a low grade meatball.
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Tempo is a piece of shit. If he wants to debate that, fine with me. But I'm on the right side of it.
“It’s just a message board! Such serious shit!” - Jobu every time he gets accused of being an asshole
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I don’t watch college football. I’m not in charge of Bears’ scouting. If they draft him, I’ll watch it. Until then, I don’t give a fuck.
Jesus Christ
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“It’s just a message board! Such serious shit!” - Jobu every time he gets accused of being an asshole
I fully admit to being an asshole. I own my shit. The only thing I lied about, ever, was a fucking bit. The death thing.
You lie about everything. It gets old. There is no good reason to have any kind of conversation with you. So I'm done with you. And again, I'll reiterate. You are a piece of shit.
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I don’t watch college football. I’m not in charge of Bears’ scouting. If they draft him, I’ll watch it. Until then, I don’t give a fuck.
So why would you laugh at someone who did watch it? That's an incredible dick move.
Fuck you.
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OMG Saint Fucking Spark, GMAB. Cmon Spark, you twist words and data just like I do. I’m sorry if I was jerk. I know you and Jobu won’t accept my apology, but oh well. I am busy enough watching Bears games, tape, raising a kid, etc. I am not in charge of the Bears draft room. I am not overly concerned about nor want to make time for Caleb Williams’ tape, I’m sure it’s great. Just as Justin Fields’ was.
Again, sorry for being a dick (we all do that here, even you).
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I fully admit to being an asshole. I own my shit. The only thing I lied about, ever, was a fucking bit. The death thing.
You lie about everything. It gets old. There is no good reason to have any kind of conversation with you. So I'm done with you. And again, I'll reiterate. You are a piece of shit.
Case closed! Jobu says I’m a piece of shit!
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Cram it up your ass if you can fit it next to Justin Fields’ fist
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You're lying about that too, you piece of shit
Because Jobu KNOWS! I love that people think they know shit about other people here. I know Jobu is an asshole on the HQ, he may be a great guy in real life. I wouldn’t pretend to know. But he will.
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Cram it up your ass if you can fit it next to Justin Fields’ fist
Ok, then.
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And no I don’t accept bullshit insincere “apologies”
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And no I don’t accept bullshit insincere “apologies”
Hey man, have fun with Jobu and PAMan.
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Maybe if you didn’t constantly call me a liar I wouldn’t have lashed out. Can’t say. You use the same tactics I do. All the time. You twist what I say all the time.
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Go find a Justin Fields forum, they’ll probably “need” to see that newest tweet about how great a QB he is.
I’m done with it. If I take the time to actually try to engage with some substance and your response is to just laugh at me, you’re a complete fucking waste of my time. I posted that stuff because I was interested in your thoughts on it, and your immediate instinct was to be like “yeah I don’t care what you think about it”.
Go fuck yourself 3-5 times
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Maybe I’ll go fake my own death 3-5 times on the Internet for fun.
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Maybe I’ll go fake my own death 3-5 times on the Internet for fun.
Why fake it?
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I was honest, I told you out of the gate I thought it was hilarious. I’ve read scouting reports. I don’t need to debate them. Nor want to make the time. Would you not think it was funny if I went back and watched old tape of Justin, Lamar, or Derek Carr? As I said, I’m sure Fields’ college tape was great, too. And you know what college tape I’ve watched of his? Probably the Clemson highlights. That’s it.
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Why fake it?
And I’m the primary asshole here. Wonderfully done.
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Jobu calling someone an asshole then suggesting someone go kill themself is just the chef’s kiss of chef’s kisses.
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It literally never even occurred to me that you had not watched any tape of him. Not even once did I imagine all your shit about Caleb Williams just came from r/CHIBears. I thought you had formed your opinions about him based on, like, his actual play.
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Sorry I don’t really watch college football. I didn’t watch anything but the Clemson tape on Justin Fields either, so…
I’m sure both Justin Fields and Caleb Williams have a lot of great college tape. I’m not super qualified to scout them either.
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I apologize for mocking you, something we all do to each other here. I didn’t realize HQ2 had become a safe space under Jobu’s wing.
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You’re an asshole.
Even now while you’re pretending to try to apologize for having been a raging prolapsed asshole, you’re still being an asshole.
Go fuck yourself.
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Jobu calling someone an asshole then suggesting someone go kill themself is just the chef’s kiss of chef’s kisses.
It wasn't a suggestion. I was just saying, maybe you could take it a step further.
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I apologize for mocking you, something we all do to each other here. I didn’t realize HQ2 had become a safe space under Jobu’s wing.
Nah, you went way too far. What you did was absolute bullshit.
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Sorry I don’t really watch college football. I didn’t watch anything but the Clemson tape on Justin Fields either, so…
I’m sure both Justin Fields and Caleb Williams have a lot of great college tape. I’m not super qualified to scout them either.
All you have to do is watch them, and know what you are seeing. Again, football is not rocket science. Do they look good to you or not? That's what Spark was doing. You threw that back in his face, when all you do is post Twitter links and laugh at people. And lie your ass off.
You are a piece of shit. Not worth wasting time on. That shit you pulled was absolutely batshit crazy. Go fuck yourself.
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Spark is doing a deep dive on the tape. This is fantastic.
I gotta say, I did not take this original comment as mockery. I thought you might engage with some of the observations I made, I didn’t realize you were laughing at me.
I obviously acknowledged that I’m no NFL scout, but I didn’t think that made my direct observations so useless as to be worthy of mockery.
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It wasn't a suggestion. I was just saying, maybe you could take it a step further.
I don’t think this is necessary.
I’d obviously be very upset if something happened to Tempo.
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I gotta say, I did not take this original comment as mockery. I thought you might engage with some of the observations I made, I didn’t realize you were laughing at me.
He was definitely laughing at you. As someone who doesn't know how to watch football, and only goes off of what he sees on Twitter or the Score, he was laughing at you.
What a fucking waste of oxygen.
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Nah, you went way too far. What you did was absolute bullshit.
I have been mocked to no end, doxed, called a neglectful parent with a drinking problem (and not just by Robb, and couldn’t be further from the truth). I’ve beeen accused of being the reason my relationship failed (also not true). And now told maybe I should consider killing myself. Just about everything in the book. But I’m sorry I crossed the line for making fun of Spark’s film review of college football tape.
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I don’t think this is necessary.
I’d obviously be very upset if something happened to Tempo.
Fair enough. Mostly, it was in response to his usual "faked his death" gotcha bullshit. I don't really want him to kill himself.
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I have been mocked to no end, doxed, called a neglectful parent with a drinking problem (and not just by Robb, and couldn’t be further from the truth). I’ve beeen accused of being the reason my relationship failed (also not true). And now told maybe I should consider killing myself. Just about everything in the book. But I’m sorry I crossed the line for making fun of Spark’s film review of college football tape.
By me? Or am I the guy who stands up for you in almost all of those situations when people do shitty things like lie about something you said, call you a drunk shitty dad, etc?
Like, the only person here who regularly stands up against that shit?
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I have been mocked to no end, doxed, called a neglectful parent with a drinking problem (and not just by Robb, and couldn’t be further from the truth). I’ve beeen accused of being the reason my relationship failed (also not true). And now told maybe I should consider killing myself. Just about everything in the book. But I’m sorry I crossed the line for making fun of Spark’s film review of college football tape.
Lol. If you thought I was serious about that, my bad. And yes, you fucking crossed the line.
Maybe you should read his film review. It honestly makes a lot of sense. Or don't. I don't give a shit.
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Oh yeah, and repeatedly called a liar. Over quarterback talk.
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Fair enough. Mostly, it was in response to his usual "faked his death" gotcha bullshit. I don't really want him to kill himself.
Can you tell I’m a bit sensitive about the suicide thing? Hahah
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Oh yeah, and repeatedly called a liar. Over quarterback talk.
You are a liar.
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Can you tell I’m a bit sensitive about the suicide thing? Hahah
Understandable
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Understandable
I come by it honestly.
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Lol. If you thought I was serious about that, my bad. And yes, you fucking crossed the line.
Ok, and I was just giving Spark shit about his film review. That and suggesting someone consider killing themself, which is worse?
You would definite be an expert on line crossing.
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I come by it honestly.
Gotcha.
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Ok, and I was just giving Spark shit about his film review. That and suggesting someone consider killing themself, which is worse?
You would definite be an expert on line crossing.
You wasn't just giving him shit. Lol. You're lying again.
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You are a liar.
Tempo reinterprets words and uses them in quarterback arguments (a tactic everyone employs here), what an abomination!
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Tempo reinterprets words
What the fuck does that even mean? Reinterprets words? Maybe take the fucking words at face value. It might work out better when you have conversations!
Fuck man
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You wasn't just giving him shit. Lol. You're lying again.
I busted his balls, disrespected him a bit. We all do it here. It’s not like I repeatedly called him a liar. Over quarterback talk.
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What the fuck does that even mean? Reinterprets words? Maybe take the fucking words at face value. It might work out better when you have conversations!
Fuck man
Paraphrases. Might be more apt. Sorry to leave you discombobulated.
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And Tempo, rest assured, I don't want you, or anyone else to kill themselves. Just like you don't really want to break my fucking face. Or maybe you do. Either way.
You can get off that now. Unless you feel like continuing to perpetuate being the victim. In which case you can continue to bring it up months from now, like a woman.
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I busted his balls, disrespected him a bit. We all do it here. It’s not like I repeatedly called him a liar. Over quarterback talk.
Nah, it wasn't just that. You took it to a whole new level. He made an effort, and you threw it back in his face. It was a shitty thing to do.
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Paraphrases. Might be more apt. Sorry to leave you discombobulated.
Maybe learn what words mean. I don't know.
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I made fun of his film review, I do respect the grind, though. I didn’t watch Fields’ college tape and I’m not planning on watching Williams’. Or going over it with a fine tooth comb.
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And, why paraphrase? Again, take shit at face value. Don't change what people say. What the fuck kind of way is that to talk to people?
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Maybe learn what words mean. I don't know.
Maybe I could just kill myself.
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I made fun of his film review, I do respect the grind, though. I didn’t watch Fields’ college tape and I’m not planning on watching Williams’. Or going over it with a fine tooth comb.
You don't respect shit. Lying again. Jesus Christ.
You were such a dick, and you don't even realize it.
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Maybe I could just kill myself.
Maybe you should break my fucking face
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(https://media1.tenor.com/m/PX0h4zguG4sAAAAC/michael-jackson-eating-popcorn.gif)
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Yeah, I've wasted way too much time here today. lol
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And, why paraphrase? Again, take shit at face value. Don't change what people say. What the fuck kind of way is that to talk to people?
It’s a common debate tactic (used by everyone here), where we rephrase what was said (or implied) in a way that makes it seem more ridiculous. I’m far from the only one who does it.
For example, “the quarterbacks who overcame adversity to produce stats about on par with Justin Fields” was ripe for being made fun of. Or that “slightly below average passing isn’t sustainable,” even though Lamar was given a 200 million dollar contract coming off two full seasons of “slightly below average passing.” I know, I know MVP 3 years ago. But two full seasons isn’t nothing, Bob.
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It’s a common debate tactic (used by everyone here), where we rephrase what was said (or implied) in a way that makes it seem more ridiculous. I’m far from the only one who does it.
For example, “the quarterbacks who overcame adversity to produce stats about on par with Justin Fields” was ripe for being made fun of. Or that “slightly below average passing isn’t sustainable,” even though Lamar was given a 200 million dollar contract coming off two full seasons of “slightly below average passing.” I know, I know MVP 3 years ago. But two full seasons isn’t nothing, Bob.
Jesus. You really are a fucking idiot. That's wild.
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I’m guessing it won’t be accepted, but I am genuinely offering an apology to Spark. What I did was a dick move. Having said that, I don’t appreciate repeatedly being called a liar. Especially considering I’m not doing anything that others here don’t do. My words are reinterpreted and used against me all the time.
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Maybe other people intentionally twist your shit and beat up strawmen all the time here.
I try not to do that. I end up doing it sometimes by accident, I’m sure, but like - a few different times yesterday I replied to you, realized I replied to an extrapolation instead of what you actually said, and went back and edited it to try to more accurately reflect the thing you were actually saying.
You give me none of that grace, and your reasoning for why is “well everyone else does it to me here.” Not only do you not try to make sure you’re arguing with what I’m really saying, you will latch onto your false interpretation of it and mock me for it for literal years, no matter how many times I point out that what you’re saying isn’t accurate. You literally blamed your behavior in this instance on people saying you’re a drunk shitty dad, lying about things you’ve said in the past, etc - things I am typically the only person defending you from. Like I have consistently stood up against the shit people here say that’s bullshit like “tempo is a drunk shitty dad”, “JudgeJudy beats her kid”, etc. I do not enjoy that shit, that shit is a large part of why I hadn’t come here in a long time. I believe other people do that to rile you up, absolutely, but I almost never do it, at least on purpose.
I apologize for calling you a liar - I only do it when you are lying about me. I am extremely sick of having to come here and “debate” someone who has no interest in what I’m even saying. I end up spending more time correcting you as to what my actual point is than I do making my point, and that’s extremely frustrating. I can’t count the number of times in the last couple days you’ve said shit like “spark thinks Justin fields sucks” or “spark doesn’t think he’s improved at all” or “spark thinks Caleb Williams will definitely be better right away” or literally like a dozen other things that I don’t believe and did not say or imply.
In this particular instance, I was trying to actually educate myself, learn about some of these guys. Not only did you disregard it, you openly mocked me for daring to watch tape of a player instead of just parroting whichever take on Twitter confirms my bias. It was more effort than I’ve ever seen you make to actually be fair and learn about some shit here, and you threw it back in my face. I wasn’t claiming some special knowledge or credibility - I actually openly acknowledged that I don’t have the knowledge to actually make the decision - but I took the time and made the effort to learn a little bit more, and you mocked me for trying.
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He was definitely laughing at you. As someone who doesn't know how to watch football, and only goes off of what he sees on Twitter or the Score,
A great example of how what people post is then “ran through the reinterpreter,” then used against that person. GO FUCK YOURSELF. Another chef’s kiss from Jobu.
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A great example of how what people post is then “ran through the reinterpreter,” then used against that person. GO FUCK YOURSELF. Another chef’s kiss from Jobu.
I didn't reinterpret shit. You laughed at him. It was a total dick move. Take the L and move on.
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“Tempo sometimes references topics of discussion talked about on local sports radio and sometimes refers to the vast source of information (and sources) rhat is Twitter! Hahahah what a Score/Twitter moron!”
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I didn't reinterpret shit. You laughed at him. It was a total dick move. Take the L and move on.
And then you provided the perfect example of how we all operate here. *chef’s kiss* 💋
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“Tempo sometimes references topics of discussion talked about on local sports radio and sometimes refers to the vast source of information (and sources) rhat is Twitter! Hahahah what a Score/Twitter moron!”
"Only when it fits what I believe!" Haha!
Like I said, at least Spark put some effort in to actually do the work himself. Then you fucking made fun of him. Jesus Christ.
He even made sure to put the pros and cons in. You know, like what actual scouts do! Even while admitting he wasn't an actual scout. That to me is a hell of a lot more valuable than some dipshit that posts twitter links that I can find myself.
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And then you provided the perfect example of how we all operate here. *chef’s kiss* 💋
You're a piece of shit.
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You unwittingly provided the perfect example of how everything we post and say here is run through the narrative machine and thrown back in our faces. Well done.
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You unwittingly provided the perfect example of how everything we post and say here is run through the narrative machine and thrown back in our faces. Well done.
You were an absolute fucking asshole. Period.
I'm done wasting time on you.
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And regarding Lamar (actually football point here and not a personal attack), they don’t reward you in the NFL for what you did 3 years ago. They pay you based off of what you’re projected to do. And Lamar was coming off two full seasons of less than real good passing. There was no guarantee “MVP” Lamar was going to reemerge.
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Maybe Judge Judy and I can host a Beer Summit for Tempo, Spark, and Jobu and LKDog and IlliniChief at the Illini Inn.
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If 60% of Caleb Williams' completions in his Heisman year were to guys who were drafted, do you think it'd be a mark against him in terms of evaluation?
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If 60% of Caleb Williams' completions in his Heisman year were to guys who were drafted, do you think it'd be a mark against him in terms of evaluation?
I think that would be over-analyzation tbh.
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I think that would be over-analyzation tbh.
I thought the guys he’s playing with were important to evaluating a player.
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Maybe Judge Judy and I can host a Beer Summit for Tempo, Spark, and Jobu and LKDog and IlliniChief at the Illini Inn.
Nah. I'm good.
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Maybe Judge Judy and I can host a Beer Summit for Tempo, Spark, and Jobu and LKDog and IlliniChief at the Illini Inn.
If I don’t kill myself before then, maybe.
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Off to a great start
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Pass.
At one time Tempo and I talked about going to Hooters, an idea I loved at the time. Think I’m out on that too at this point.
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I’d still go to Hooters with you, Spark. if I live that long.
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If I don’t kill myself before then, maybe.
If we did, you would want to break my fucking face right?
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If we did, you would want to break my fucking face right?
I’d probably draw a dick to it first
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I’d still go to Hooters with you, Spark. if I live that long.
You would go to Hooters, but not the Illini Inn? Or you would just go anywhere with Spark and nowhere with Jobu?
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I’d still go to Hooters with you, Spark. if I live that long.
“Kewl”
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“Kewl”
Lol
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You would go to Hooters, but not the Illini Inn? Or you would just go anywhere with Spark and nowhere with Jobu?
I’d probably go just about anywhere with Spark
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“Kewl”
Just saying
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I’d probably go just about anywhere with Spark
The Sybaris?
Is that even still around?
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The Sybaris?
Is that even still around?
I’d only go there if Jobu completed the threesome.
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I’d only go there if Jobu completed the threesome.
Nah. I'm good.
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Nah. I'm good.
You could talk down to me and debase me I’m really into that kind of stuff thought you were too
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I looked at Cody Whitehair’s wiki page and saw he has a pro bowl appearance.
“One pro bowl, no excuses” flows better anyway
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Marcedes Lewis has one too.
Uh oh
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Zero pro bowl offense
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Zero pro bowl offense
There goes Jobu reinterpreting words again....
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There goes Jobu reinterpreting words again....
Reinterpreting. Lol, what a dumbass thing to say. Tempo never disappoints
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Maybe Judge Judy and I can host a Beer Summit for Tempo, Spark, and Jobu and LKDog and IlliniChief at the Illini Inn.
This is wild. Pass the popcorn, asshole 😂
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This is wild. Pass the popcorn, asshole 😂
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/0fiNrkaRQnQAAAAC/jiffy-pop.gif)
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I’ll just add, I love how Tempo posts link of people breaking down film on Fields and tells us all to watch it. Shits like 2 hours long and you can see/hear his hard on through the post and will probably get cum on your hands if you click the link. Then when someone actually does the same thing and watches film in another QB, and tries to have a sincere conversation about it, he mocks them. Yet he replies “I don’t have time for that shit!”
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I looked at Cody Whitehair’s wiki page and saw he has a pro bowl appearance.
“One pro bowl, no excuses” flows better anyway
He got benched 3 weeks ago.
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He literally couldn’t snap the football without fucking it up.
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I’ll just add, I love how Tempo posts link of people breaking down film on Fields and tells us all to watch it. Shits like 2 hours long and you can see/hear his hard on through the post and will probably get cum on your hands if you click the link. Then when someone actually does the same thing and watches film in another QB, and tries to have a sincere conversation about it, he mocks them. Yet he replies “I don’t have time for that shit!”
I post videos of people who actually know what they are looking at. Guys who played the position in the NFL for 10+ years. Fucked up, I know.
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Reinterpreting. Lol, what a dumbass thing to say. Tempo never disappoints
The HQs Patron Saint of Civility has spoken, ya’ll.
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I post videos of people who actually know what they are looking at. Guys who played the position in the NFL for 10+ years. Fucked up, I know.
Michael Jordan drafted really shitty players…
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Marcedes Lewis has one too.
Uh oh
Lol a guy who has 3 catches for 28 yards on the season, and is there to block 15 plays a game once made the Pro Bowl literally 13 years ago. Lmao #noexcuses
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Whitehair isn’t on the Bears offense?
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2010 Pro Bowler Marcedes Lewis ya’ll! #noexcuses
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Sure Whitehairs a pro bowler but he’s only started 10 games this year
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!!!!!!
Whitehair isn’t on the Bears offense?
He no longer starts because they have someone better.
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2010 Pro Bowler Marcedes Lewis ya’ll! #noexcuses
Put it straight in the sig. you have a really good nose for sarcasm and mockery, that has to go in your signature
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!!!!!!
He no longer starts because they have someone better.
BETTER than a pro bowler?
Holy shit
I thought they had no talent
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If Whitehair (2018 Pro Bowl) and Lewis (2010) are what you’re bringing the pain with you might want to quit while you’re behind.
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BETTER than a pro bowler?
Holy shit
I thought they had no talent
5 years ago…
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Have you ever heard someone say, “you’re not even smart enough to make fun of”?
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5 years ago…
Think about how talented you must be to be so much better than a pro bowler that they sit the pro bowler and play you instead
Jesus Christ that guy must be incredible
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Are we really pimping a guy who won’t be a pro bowler for the 5th straight year? He’ll most likely be retired in 4 weeks
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Think about how talented you must be to be so much better than a pro bowler that they sit the pro bowler and play you instead
Jesus Christ that guy must be incredible
Unreal.
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Yeah the pro bowlers going to retire cuz the bears got a dude who’s BETTER than the pro bowler
Incredible talent
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Just watched all-22 tape of Cody Whitehair, Jesus Christ pro bowler is right
Guy is unbelievable
Whoever replaced him must be all world
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We are pimping a guy who can no longer play because he made a pro bowl in the previous decade. Unreal.
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And another guy who made one 14 years ago.
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I have no clue how I could possibly be more obviously fucking with you
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There is literally a 90% chance this is Cody Whitehair’s last year in the league. It’s certainly his last as a Bear. But he’s a difference maker for sure.
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I have no clue how I could possibly be more obviously fucking with you
Well that’s a relief.
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Watch as tempo melts down because the no pro bowl narrative crumbled before his eyes
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A+ on the troll job.
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Fields is an average passer with MULTIPLE pro bowlers on his offense and we want to pay him $100 million
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Fields is an average passer with MULTIPLE pro bowlers on his offense and we want to pay him $100 million
I realize you are still trolling to an extent, but this is the first I am hearing of that
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I’ll watch the tape and get back to you
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Watch as tempo melts down because the no pro bowl narrative crumbled before his eyes
You hitting the sauce with the PAMan?
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I’ll watch the tape and get back to you
Please do
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No I’m just tired of your bullshit and you were an absolute prick to me today so I’m fucking with you
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No I’m just tired of your bullshit and you were an absolute prick to me today so I’m fucking with you
I was, I apologize. You don’t have to accept that obviously
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Glad I have your permission
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I owe Beach Bum an apology
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I owe Beach Bum an apology
That’s a good one
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Are we really pimping a guy who won’t be a pro bowler for the 5th straight year?
Why not? You’re doing this with Fields…
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That’s a good one
It’s true
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I realize you are still trolling to an extent, but this is the first I am hearing of that
If the Bears had to decide whether to pay Fields NFL starter money this offseason, would you think they should?
Why or why not?
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I owe Beach Bum an apology
LOL
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If the Bears had to decide whether to pay Fields NFL starter money this offseason, would you think they should?
Why or why not?
Thankfully, we’re not there yet. Depends on what the deal looked like. TBH at this point the very most I’d do is pick up his 5th year which I believe I heard was 20 million or thereabouts.
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I think if it really comes to resigning him it'll actually be bigger than this deal, but how about - you have to decide this offseason whether to pay him what Daniel Jones got last year. Would you be in on keeping him, or still up in the air?
I agree that it's lucky (at least for Fields :) ) that they don't actually have to make that call right now. But I do think the opportunity to draft what is surely the best QB prospect (no sure things, fully acknowledge that) that they've ever had a chance to draft has to color that decision a lot.
Like it's not LITERALLY true, but in a lot of ways I think the decision this off-season IS about whether you want to pay him .. after next year. IMO, if you're still unsure right now near the end of year 3, then the likelihood that you're 100% sure a year from now near the end of year 4 is really small. And if you're not going to be sure on him at the end of year 4 then it's a better long term move to take the ultra-high-ceiling top QB prospect on a cheap deal for 5 more years.
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I would be up in the air on anything more than the fifth year option and probably leaning towards probably not
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Another thought I had earlier - say the Bears end up with, say, 1 and 5 in the draft - and decide to move on from Fields (not a sure thing).
Would you support them taking a QB at the top, and trying to move up with the other pick to get Harrison?
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20 million is not a prohibitive deal if we’re talking much more than that I’m definitely gonna be hesitant
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I would be up in the air on anything more than the fifth year option and probably leaning towards probably not
Probably less up in the air than you would be, but - same.
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Part of the reason I’m still bullish on fields is because the risk isn’t that exorbitant
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If Peyton Manning or Andrew luck or Trevor Lawrence were sitting there at number one I don’t think I would be against drafting that player. I’m just not convinced that Caleb Williams is as safe as those guys.
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Particularly when his draft profile reads like a less athletic version of Justin Fields
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Part of the reason I’m still bullish on fields is because the risk isn’t that exorbitant
But part of THAT calculation is your evaluation of the top QB prospects right?
Because passing on the opportunity to get one of those guys is definitely a risk. Getting one is too, I fully recognize that, but passing on the opportunity to grab what are probably going to be considered pre-draft two of the better QB prospects in the last 5-10 years in the hopes that either 1. Fields improves a lot or 2. you can "figure out the QB position later" is a pretty big risk too.
End of the day, I'm not going to like, quit watching the Bears in disgust if they trade down and get Harrison and keep Fields. I will think it's a likely mistake, but I don't think I have a crystal ball or anything. I will still watch and root for them and hope Fields kills it and Harrison is elite.
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Not that he is a poor athlete he’s not, but he’s may not even be 6 feet tall and he’s clearly not the runner Fields is
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I just don’t think you pass on the opportunity to draft the best QB prospect since 2012 with Andrew Luck. It’s been reported that he might be the best prospect since Peyton Manning. I know that’s subjective, but can a franchise like the Bears pass on that?!
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Not that he is a poor athlete he’s not, but he’s may not even be 6 feet tall and he’s clearly not the runner Fields is
You haven't even watched him man.
Dude is pretty fucking electric with his legs, hahaha. He definitely keeps his eyes down field and looks to pass more than Fields does outside the pocket. Fields is quicker to pull it down and run the ball for yardage, and Williams is more likely to make a throw on the run - but dude has pretty similar "holy shit" moves to Fields with his legs to make dudes miss.
I know you didn't read any of what I said after watching that tape of him, but I mentioned this play - this dude is pretty fucking good with his legs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYMBEUMTdAY
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If Peyton Manning or Andrew luck or Trevor Lawrence were sitting there at number one I don’t think I would be against drafting that player. I’m just not convinced that Caleb Williams is as safe as those guys.
NFL GM’s have said he’d be QB1 in any draft of the last 10 years.
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If Peyton Manning or Andrew luck or Trevor Lawrence were sitting there at number one I don’t think I would be against drafting that player. I’m just not convinced that Caleb Williams is as safe as those guys.
This has completely changed in four months, though. I posted this before but ESPN polled 12 NFL scouts in August and all 12 of them said he was the best prospect since Peyton Manning.
Now some of the shine has come off, he had a considerably worse roster from what I understand and lost a lot of games - fair enough. But he's still the dude who 4 months ago was unanimously considered a better prospect than Andrew Luck by those "credible" NFL scouts.
That isn't a sure thing. Even if he was eligible last year and people were saying those things about him I would be the first one to say "there is no such thing as a sure thing". But he's still the same guy who they said those things about.
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To go back to the "he's obviously not as good a runner as Fields" - I think he's pretty fucking electric but even if that is absolutely true, it shows a fundamental gap between what you are looking for in your NFL QB, and what I am.
It's great to have a QB who can get some yards on the ground. I cannot name a single NFL QB who was good long term with his legs as his primary weapon. Not one. The QB needs to be able to pass the ball, that is always going to be a far more important attribute in a QB in the NFL to me (college, a little different).
Fields is fun as hell (if anxiety-inducing) to watch, I totally agree. I don't think a guy who at the end of year 3 is still mostly a ballcarrier rather than a passer is the answer long term.
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I just don’t think you pass on the opportunity to draft the best QB prospect since 2012 with Andrew Luck. It’s been reported that he might be the best prospect since Peyton Manning. I know that’s subjective, but can a franchise like the Bears pass on that?!
Better than Trevor Lawrence? I’m not sure about that.
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To go back to the "he's obviously not as good a runner as Fields" - I think he's pretty fucking electric but even if that is absolutely true, it shows a fundamental gap between what you are looking for in your NFL QB, and what I am.
It's great to have a QB who can get some yards on the ground. I cannot name a single NFL QB who was good long term with his legs as his primary weapon. Not one. The QB needs to be able to pass the ball, that is always going to be a far more important attribute in a QB in the NFL to me (college, a little different).
Fields is fun as hell (if anxiety-inducing) to watch, I totally agree. I don't think a guy who at the end of year 3 is still mostly a ballcarrier rather than a passer is the answer long term.
So I will try to explain this as best I can. As of right now, I think Fields is an average NFL starter, I get it average isn’t what we want, but I think he’s only scratching the surface of his potential. He’s probably the only “average” quarterback in the league who terrifies defensive coordinators. The defense (usually) literally gives up one of their players to mirror his movements. I think with a brighter offensive coordinator that can be taken advantage of more often. He helps open up lanes in the passing and running game for others.
His learning curve hasn’t been as accelerated as we’d like it to be, but I think there are some reasons for that beyond just his control. We want him to put up big passing numbers, and he’s barely even had an adequate team around him for any length of time. For 5 years Patrick Mahomes had Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, and Andy Reid. Those are three 1st ballot HOFers. Justin has had DJ Moore (for 9 games), Darnell Mooney, and Luke Getsy. Now that Mahomes doesn’t have Hill, and Travis Kelce looks to be in a slight decline all of a sudden he looks merely pretty good instead of superhuman.
I think I know what the floor is (fairly high) with Fields, and I think his ceiling is still through the roof. He’s not expensive yet, and I’m not sure I’m trading that in for a guy I’m 60% sure will be great at the next level.
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"Trading that in for a guy i admittedly have never watched....." appears to be missing from that sentence.
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"Trading that in for a guy i admittedly have never watched....." appears to be missing from that sentence.
You’re right, I should watch his film and then I will know for SURE.
You were all over this guy’s nuts until two months ago
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You have told me straight up that you would not draft him, so what’s your plan? Are you still digging into the film?
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Better than Trevor Lawrence? I’m not sure about that.
How?! You yourself said you have no idea. All kinds of GM’s have said that. Best prospect since Luck and possibly Peyton Manning. No bullshit. You think those GM’s don’t know more than the media?!
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So I will try to explain this as best I can. As of right now, I think Fields is an average NFL starter, I get it average isn’t what we want, but I think he’s only scratching the surface of his potential. He’s probably the only “average” quarterback in the league who terrifies defensive coordinators. The defense (usually) literally gives up one of their players to mirror his movements. I think with a brighter offensive coordinator that can be taken advantage of more often. He helps open up lanes in the passing and running game for others.
His learning curve hasn’t been as accelerated as we’d like it to be, but I think there are some reasons for that beyond just his control. We want him to put up big passing numbers, and he’s barely even had an adequate team around him for any length of time. For 5 years Patrick Mahomes had Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, and Andy Reid. Those are three 1st ballot HOFers. Justin has had DJ Moore (for 9 games), Darnell Mooney, and Luke Getsy. Now that Mahomes doesn’t have Hill, and Travis Kelce looks to be in a slight decline all of a sudden he looks merely pretty good instead of superhuman.
I think I know what the floor is (fairly high) with Fields, and I think his ceiling is still through the roof. He’s not expensive yet, and I’m not sure I’m trading that in for a guy I’m 60% sure will be great at the next level.
A lot of average passers "terrify defensive coordinators" when they are able to beat them with their legs. Robert Griffin III terrified defensive coordinators, but he got hurt and couldn't run anymore and never could pass the ball consistently.
I think Fields is an "average NFL starter" - in that he provides average value to an NFL team as a starting QB - if you take into account BOTH his electric running, and his mediocre passing (combined with his sack and turnover issues). Like, unless he becomes a better passer, I'm never going to be sold on him even if he rushes for a ton of yards. He needs to be able to throw the ball IMO, and despite the claims earlier this year of some huge turnaround that hasn't really materialized.
Obviously he doesn't need to throw for 300 yards and 4 TD every game, but even since the Washington game he's just been "okay" in the passing game. Efficient and hasn't thrown picks (which is great), but he isn't really consistently moving the ball with his arm in the way you'd like to see.
I agree re: now that Mahomes doesn't have Tyreek, he and Kelce both look human. But I think that's a large part of what scares me about Fields - it will not be long until we will have to pay him in a way that will limit our ability to put weapons around him, and even the Chiefs have looked more human since they had to pay Mahomes and had to move Tyreek. I do not think he's really come close - IMO - to justify what he'll need to be to be worth what the Bears will have to pay to keep him.
Like obviously everyone is hoping this never happens, but say Fields got hurt in a way that severely limited his athleticism/running game. How confident are you that he can be a really good passer, if the threat to run for 100 yards isn't there anymore? At some point in Fields' career assuming he lasts 5-8 more years at a minimum, that ability will no longer be there.
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If the Bears had picks 1 and 5 and took Williams or Maye at 1, would you support them moving up to get Harrison at 3?
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Apparently PAMan has already watched the film.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Bng37jhZ/IMG-5904.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zyV4VGZ4)
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If the Bears had picks 1 and 5 and took Williams or Maye at 1, would you support them moving up to get Harrison at 3?
Depends on the cost.
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Apparently PAMan has already watched the film.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Bng37jhZ/IMG-5904.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zyV4VGZ4)
He was terrible against a pedestrian Notre Dame defense. I have big concerns. But, what do I know about how his skills will translate? I know I would not keep Fields. Seen enough of his holding the ball top long.
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How?! You yourself said you have no idea. All kinds of GM’s have said that. Best prospect since Luck and possibly Peyton Manning. No bullshit. You think those GM’s don’t know more than the media?!
I can read scouting reports. I don’t think Williams is more highly regarded than Lawrence. High ceiling sure, also higher bust potential than Lawrence.
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I don’t necessarily think Fields has progressed as a passer. I think that there’s gonna be games where his numbers are much better because he can hit his first read (usually Moore or Kmet). When defenses stop that, he has a hard time finding others open. That part of the inconsistency. Moore is a great receiver and he’s gonna get open a lot, but I don’t think passing to him is necessarily “helping” Fields get better with things like going through progressions. In fact, I think it hampers that development.
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He was terrible against a pedestrian Notre Dame defense. I have big concerns. But, what do I know about how his skills will translate? I know I would not keep Fields. Seen enough of his holding the ball top long.
So you don’t know how his skills would translate but somehow I should? If I watch the film I can be SURE.
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I never ever ever ever ever ever said I was sure.
I've said over and over that there is no such thing as a sure thing.
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A lot of average passers "terrify defensive coordinators" when they are able to beat them with their legs. Robert Griffin III terrified defensive coordinators, but he got hurt and couldn't run anymore and never could pass the ball consistently.
I think Fields is an "average NFL starter" - in that he provides average value to an NFL team as a starting QB - if you take into account BOTH his electric running, and his mediocre passing (combined with his sack and turnover issues). Like, unless he becomes a better passer, I'm never going to be sold on him even if he rushes for a ton of yards. He needs to be able to throw the ball IMO, and despite the claims earlier this year of some huge turnaround that hasn't really materialized.
Obviously he doesn't need to throw for 300 yards and 4 TD every game, but even since the Washington game he's just been "okay" in the passing game. Efficient and hasn't thrown picks (which is great), but he isn't really consistently moving the ball with his arm in the way you'd like to see.
I agree re: now that Mahomes doesn't have Tyreek, he and Kelce both look human. But I think that's a large part of what scares me about Fields - it will not be long until we will have to pay him in a way that will limit our ability to put weapons around him, and even the Chiefs have looked more human since they had to pay Mahomes and had to move Tyreek. I do not think he's really come close - IMO - to justify what he'll need to be to be worth what the Bears will have to pay to keep him.
Like obviously everyone is hoping this never happens, but say Fields got hurt in a way that severely limited his athleticism/running game. How confident are you that he can be a really good passer, if the threat to run for 100 yards isn't there anymore? At some point in Fields' career assuming he lasts 5-8 more years at a minimum, that ability will no longer be there.
I believe he will progress as a passer, and he has (the stats bear this out too). You may not put much stock into to, but I think he got done dirty last year, and year 2 is a critical year to any QBs development, you apparently disagree.
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I can read scouting reports. I don’t think Williams is more highly regarded than Lawrence. High ceiling sure, also higher bust potential than Lawrence.
https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/caleb-williams-peyton-manning-nfl-draft-prospects-trevor-lawrence-joe-burrow-bryce-young
https://youtu.be/2m1uhzY7yVU?si=_FRTQzCjXFo7aW-_
This next link is from an NFL scout for 20 years…
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-draft-former-nfl-gm-says-hed-take-caleb-williams-over-these-great-qbs-including-peyton-manning/amp/
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I believe he will progress as a passer, and he has (the stats bear this out too). You may not put much stock into to, but I think he got done dirty last year, and year 2 is a critical year to any QBs development, you apparently disagree.
The stats indicate that he's progressed from an absolutely unacceptable, Zach Wilson level passer to a mostly average, occasionally god-awful and occasionally brilliant passer. Like yes he has progressed. He was one of the worst passers in the NFL, it's a low bar.
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So you don’t know how his skills would translate but somehow I should? If I watch the film I can be SURE.
You've never seen any of them play but insist Fields is the better option. I'd still take Williams over Fields. That's how little I think of Fields.
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I believe he will progress as a passer, and he has (the stats bear this out too). You may not put much stock into to, but I think he got done dirty last year, and year 2 is a critical year to any QBs development, you apparently disagree.
No, he has not progressed as a passer.
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Patrick Mahomes comparisons…
https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2023/10/12/23913848/caleb-williams-usc-quarterback-nfl-draft-no-1-pick
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I never ever ever ever ever ever said I was sure.
I've said over and over that there is no such thing as a sure thing.
I was responding to the PA man
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He blasted me for not watching the film so that I can be sure.
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He blasted me for not watching the film so that I can be sure.
He literally dedicates his entire recreation time to trolling you, dude.
It's sad to watch, but if you just ignore when he really obviously says shit to get a rise out of you, he will stop.
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Patrick Mahomes comparisons…
https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2023/10/12/23913848/caleb-williams-usc-quarterback-nfl-draft-no-1-pick
Yeah, I’m familiar. Patrick Mahomes was also the third quarterback taken in his draft. I think if you polled 32 GM’s before the draft the consensus would be Trevor Lawrence was safer with just about as high a ceiling.
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Yeah, I’m familiar. Patrick Mahomes was also the third quarterback taken in his draft. I think if you polled 32 GM’s before the draft the consensus would be Trevor Lawrence was safer with just about as high a ceiling.
I supplied other links…
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He literally dedicates his entire recreation time to trolling you, dude.
It's sad to watch, but if you just ignore when he really obviously says shit to get a rise out of you, he will stop.
You have it in reverse. He trolls us here at HQ2.
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He blasted me for not watching the film so that I can be sure.
You have admitted to not watching college football.
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You have it in reverse. He trolls us here at HQ2.
I think he’s on to something here…
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You have it in reverse. He trolls us here at HQ2.
I laughed
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“One guy is undersized and holds the ball too long.” Can’t help but laugh when I read stuff like this. “The other was inconsistent.”
(https://i.postimg.cc/MGwpkVpr/IMG-5906.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/k2jmKV8x)
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If you had watched the guy play I do not think you’d say “he plays like Justin Fields” but seems like that’s out of the question and you’re just going to post any non-glowing evaluations and take them as gospel (and ignore most of them)
I do not think he plays football like Justin Fields.
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If you had watched the guy play I do not think you’d say “he plays like Justin Fields” but seems like that’s out of the question and you’re just going to post any non-glowing evaluations and take them as gospel (and ignore most of them)
I do not think he plays football like Justin Fields.
He's too busy listening to The Score and watching Joe Dirt to watch the tape or The Office.
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If you had watched the guy play I do not think you’d say “he plays like Justin Fields” but seems like that’s out of the question and you’re just going to post any non-glowing evaluations and take them as gospel (and ignore most of them)
I do not think he plays football like Justin Fields.
Non-glowing evaluations? I expect there’s 90% chance he’s the first player taken. His scouting report reads a lot like Justin Fields. Not identical, no. I also can’t pretend I can watch college film and say “oh yeah, great NFL player.” As I said, I’m sure Fields had some great college tape, too.
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He's too busy listening to The Score and watching Joe Dirt to watch the tape or The Office.
Would you like my Joe Dirt film review?
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I’m sure Williams’ tape is fantastic, does that make him a likely great NFL player? Probably not.
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Non-glowing evaluations? I expect there’s 90% chance he’s the first player taken. His scouting report reads a lot like Justin Fields. Not identical, no. I also can’t pretend I can watch college film and say “oh yeah, great NFL player.” As I said, I’m sure Fields had some great college tape, too.
Fields’ sack issues were a thing in college. Caleb Williams’ numbers are way better in that regard. Maybe he holds the ball too long - he takes far fewer sacks.
All indications in college are that Caleb is a better passer, and far less likely to get rushing yards than Fields. The pass catching talent these guys had in college is not at all comparable. The talent surrounding them seems to matter sometimes, and other times not matter at all - I don’t get that.
I just can’t imagine a more simple and flawed analysis than to just say “he’s a smaller Justin Fields!” while ignoring that the ways they seem different are some of the very same things that have hindered Justin Fields’ NFL development. I don’t think that Justin Fields would even be mentioned in Caleb Williams comparisons in any situation where the Bears didn’t have the pick. I watched some Fields college tape yesterday just for the hell of it, and yeah - it’s impressive too - but I did not think “oh these guys play similarly” pretty much at all.
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He had Jordan Addison who won the Bilitnekoff/was a 1st round draft choice and Brenden Rice who I’ve read could be a 1st or 2nd. Stop making it sound like he was bereft of receivers.
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He had Jordan Addison who won the Bilitnekoff/was a 1st round draft choice and Brenden Rice who I’ve read could be a 1st or 2nd. Stop making it sound like he was bereft of receivers.
He wasn’t. He had a first round receiver for his better year. I can’t find any 1st round evaluations for Rice.
Their pass catching talent overall was simply not comparable and it wouldn’t be fair at all to pretend they were. Fields’ last season at Ohio State about 90% of his completions were to guys who were drafted, and over 70% were to guys drafted pick 20 or better. Surely that is one of the better rosters in terms of pass catching talent in recent CFB history. He had 4 receivers on that team picked higher in the draft than Jordan Addison.
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He also played in a conference that is notorious for its lack of defense.
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And had considerably less pass catching talent, but put up better passing numbers and took fewer sacks.
They’re just not really similar players. If the Panthers had the #1 pick I think you would see zero “smaller Justin Fields” evaluation on Caleb Williams because they don’t play similarly really at all.
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One guy had better receivers. Sure. But both had plenty of offensive talent around them. And one guy played Clemson twice and Alabama once. One guy didn’t. Did Caleb ever play in a really important game?
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And to be clear, that doesn’t mean Williams is definitely better than Fields. They are just very different in terms of HOW they play
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And had considerably less pass catching talent, but put up better passing numbers and took fewer sacks.
They’re just not really similar players. If the Panthers had the #1 pick I think you would see zero “smaller Justin Fields” evaluation on Caleb Williams because they don’t play similarly really at all.
In a conference that’s historically synonymous with poor defense.
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One guy had better receivers. Sure. But both had plenty of offensive talent around them. And one guy played Clemson twice and Alabama once. One guy didn’t. Did Caleb ever play in a really important game?
Does the level of talent around them count in this comparison, or is it completely because of Fields OSU was in those games and because of Williams that USC isn’t?
Looks like the “biggest” games Williams has played were:
- the Alamo Bowl vs #15 Oregon at Oklahoma:
78% completion, 242 yards passing, 3 TD, 0 INT
- the Pac-12 title game against #12 Utah as a junior:
68.3% completion, 363 yards, 3 TD 1 INT
- the Cotton Bowl against #14 Tulane as a junior:
71.2% completion, 462 yards, 5 TD, 1 INT.
At the end of the day it’s a question mark like every NFL pick ever has been, no doubt about that - but I can’t really take anybody seriously who says both “I haven’t watched him” and also “he’s a smaller Justin Fields”. He may not end up nearly as good as Fields, I can’t say for sure, but they’re not really similar players at all. The ONLY reason that “evaluation” exists is because the Bears have the top pick.
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In a conference that’s historically synonymous with poor defense.
Would you have passed on Andrew Luck for that reason? Or Herbert?
I think the defense argument cuts both ways to some degree, personally. Yeah obviously there are some questionable defenses in the PAC.. including USC’s. If he’d had Justin Fields’ defense he’d probably have played in a CFP, don’t you think? With four top-20 WRs (along with two NFL tight ends and an NFL RB) and a good defense I think the “winning” stuff would probably look a lot different for Caleb Williams.
He fell apart at the end of the Utah conference title game with a CFP spot on the line (pulled within 3, then had a fumble and a pick). His defense also gave up 23 fourth quarter points, three straight touchdown drives with the game on the line. If that happens to Justin Fields you argue that it isn’t his fault at all.
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Granted, every guy isn’t a 1st round draft choice; but he had an Arizona transfer who had 66 catches and 1100 yards with Arizona last year and made 1st team Pac whatever number they call it now as his 6th leading receiver this year. If Caleb gets to cite lack of weaponry in college, then Justin gets the same benefit of the doubt in the pros. I’d love to see Hill/Waddle Hill/Kelce Brown/Smith Chase/Higgins on the Bears.
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Would you have passed on Andrew Luck for that reason? Or Herbert?
I think the defense argument cuts both ways to some degree, personally. Yeah obviously there are some questionable defenses in the PAC.. including USC’s. If he’d had Justin Fields’ defense he’d probably have played in a CFP, don’t you think? With four top-20 WRs (along with two NFL tight ends and an NFL RB) and a good defense I think the “winning” stuff would probably look a lot different for Caleb Williams.
He fell apart at the end of the Utah conference title game with a CFP spot on the line (pulled within 3, then had a fumble and a pick). His defense also gave up 23 fourth quarter points, three straight touchdown drives with the game on the line. If that happens to Justin Fields you argue that it isn’t his fault at all.
Sounds similar to the Denver collapse that we only blame Justin for.
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Granted, every guy isn’t a 1st round draft choice; but he had an Arizona transfer who had 66 catches and 1100 yards with Arizona last year and made 1st team Pac whatever number they call it now as his 6th leading receiver this year. If Caleb gets to cite lack of weaponry in college, then Justin gets the same benefit of the doubt in the pros. I’d love to see Hill/Waddle Hill/Kelce Brown/Smith Chase/Higgins on the Bears.
But you try to have it the other way.
You literally have told me that it’s not fair to evaluate any game Justin Fields played in his first two years in the league because of the talent on his roster, but when I point out the talent discrepancy in college you handwave it like it doesn’t matter.
If Caleb Williams had been throwing this year to 4 top-20 picks at wideout and 2 tight ends also drafted into the NFL, do you think his passing numbers would’ve been more impressive? Do you think it’s possible they’d have won more games? I think it’s at least moderately likely that if Williams had Fields’ college pass catchers, there would still be unanimity on him as one of the elite prospect of the last 20 years (I think there’s quite a lot of “credible” people who still think that now, in fact).
I don’t think Caleb has been totally bereft of pass catching talent at all but I do think Fields had maybe one of the more impressive collections of pass catching talent I remember in college. The talent around him seems to matter to you for his production in the pros (ie when it confirms your preconception) but not in college (ie when it contradicts your preconception).
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Lol we’re comparing USC’s COLLEGE TALENT (Jordan Addison College receiver of the year) to last years’ Bears roster. Lol really?
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Did you just make the case USC is bereft of talent in the Pac whatever number they call it now conference?
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I wish Justin had had the top receiver in the NFL last year…
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C’mon Spark, comparing USC to last years’ Bears is beyond a bad comparison.
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Sounds similar to the Denver collapse that we only blame Justin for.
I have never “only blamed Justin for” that, ever. That is made up. “You’re extrapolating”. I think the defense deserves a ton of blame for that meltdown. I also think Fields deserves blame for the turnovers and his own fourth quarter issues. Same with Caleb Williams - turning the ball over multiple times in the fourth quarter in a winnable game is a bad thing for your quarterback to do, even if your defense melts down too. I’ve never heard you acknowledge even minimal blame for Fields regarding the loss to Denver.
Yes it sounds an awful lot like the Denver collapse - other than in the Denver situation you will accept 0 criticism of Fields’ play whatsoever and exclusively blame the defense’s meltdown, and in the Utah situation you’re using it as a mark against the quarterback.
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I imagine I’ll be accused of taking what you just said out of context.
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I have never “only blamed Justin for” that, ever. That is made up. “You’re extrapolating”. I think the defense deserves a ton of blame for that meltdown. I also think Fields deserves blame for the turnovers and his own fourth quarter issues. Same with Caleb Williams - turning the ball over multiple times in the fourth quarter in a winnable game is a bad thing for your quarterback to do, even if your defense melts down too. I’ve never heard you acknowledge even minimal blame for Fields regarding the loss to Denver.
Yes it sounds an awful lot like the Denver collapse - other than in the Denver situation you will accept 0 criticism of Fields’ play whatsoever and exclusively blame the defense’s meltdown, and in the Utah situation you’re using it as a mark against the quarterback.
I’m pretty sure you did. Because I was shocked your response was virtually identical to the PAMan. That’s when I realized you guys were sounding tremendously alike.
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The fumble TD return was a killer. The defense could have also not folded like Superman on laundry day. That could’ve helped.
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C’mon Spark, comparing USC to last years’ Bears is beyond a bad comparison.
I’m trying to get you to stick to consistent logic.
Either the talent around a guy matters or it doesn’t. It can’t matter when you want it to and be immaterial when it contradicts your preconception. I’m okay with accepting either idea - that the talent around you is an excuse for not performing great or not winning enough, or that it isn’t an excuse for not performing great or not winning - but it’s silly to insist sometimes it matters and sometimes it doesn’t.
We don’t have any data on Caleb Williams in the NFL to compare to Fields obviously. My guess is if the Bears pass on him he will get drafted to a team with mediocre or worse talent. My other guess is that you will be here trying to dunk on him any time he has a bad game, and will never be like “well he gets three years before we can evaluate him because the talent around him is bad.”
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The fumble TD return was a killer. The defense could have also not folded like Superman on laundry day. That could’ve helped.
Same with USC/Utah, but you’re still here using “he never played in a really big game” as a knock against Caleb Williams personally.
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USC of last two year does not = Bears of last year
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Lol we’re comparing USC’s COLLEGE TALENT (Jordan Addison College receiver of the year) to last years’ Bears roster. Lol really?
Does the talent around a guy matter or doesn’t it? Is a discrepancy in talent an excuse for poor play? Or is it not?
You want the answer to be one thing about Fields and the opposite about Williams, and I don’t think that makes sense.
If USC this year had the defenses at OSU with Fields, what do you think their record would’ve been?
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USC of last two year does not = Bears of last year
Yes I’m aware. The talent around a guy only matters for some people. The defense blowing games is an excuse for some folks, but not for others.
No excuses for Caleb! #noexcuses
I’ll repeat, I have no idea if Caleb Williams will be a great NFL QB. But anyone who says “he’s a smaller Fields”, especially someone who has never watched him play, can be pretty safely ignored. They aren’t similar players other than that they both have shifty, make guys miss type moves with their legs.
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I’m pretty sure you did. Because I was shocked your response was virtually identical to the PAMan. That’s when I realized you guys were sounding tremendously alike.
You can be pretty sure of whatever you’d like. I’m absolutely positive I did not say something I have never believed.
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I wish Justin had had the top receiver in the NFL last year…
He has a top receiver this year. All off-season the talk was about how he would obviously turn the corner this year with more talent. But he’s still inconsistent and mostly average as a passer.
Now it’s “what he needs to be consistently good in the passing game is a top receiver AND one of the best receiver prospects in years”.
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Did you just make the case USC is bereft of talent in the Pac whatever number they call it now conference?
That’s an easy one.
No, I didn’t.
If you could stick to what I actually said instead of trying to extrapolate it and hold me to the exaggeration you make up, I would appreciate it.
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but that seems to be putting A LOT of the blame on the quarterback. The defense was putrid down the stretch of that game (just like the first Detroit game). I even concede here that the fumble was a “backbreaker,” but somehow I’m letting Justin entirely off the hook by saying it was a “team loss.”
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The INT was after they lost the lead wasn’t it?
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but that seems to be putting A LOT of the blame on the quarterback. The defense was putrid down the stretch of that game (just like the first Detroit game). I even concede here that the fumble was a “backbreaker,” but somehow I’m letting Justin entirely off the hook by saying it was a “team loss.”
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Looks to me like it’s putting the blame on the quarterback for HIS OWN PLAY, some thing you’re completely unwilling to do re:Justin Fields.
It does not come close to saying or implying that the loss was all or even mostly his fault. I was blaming him for his own, personal play - something you’re totally unwilling to do regarding Fields pretty much ever.
You told me with a straight face that it’s not even fair to evaluate the guy until year 4.
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Wanna talk about the Denver INT? Do yourself a favor and watch JT O’Sullivan’s review from 7:00 left on.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/90228447?utm_campaign=postshare_fan
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The INT was after they lost the lead wasn’t it?
Yes. Did I say otherwise? Confused why you asked this.
With 10 minutes left in the game the Bears were winning by a touchdown. They got three more drives:
- 5 plays, 10 yards, Fields fumble returned for a touchdown
- 11 plays, 57 yards, turnover on downs
(Broncos kick a FG to go up by three)
- 7 plays, 22 yards, Fields INT
Three possessions. One up by a TD, one tied, one down by a FG. Two turnovers and one turnover on downs.
Fields doesn’t deserve any blame for the defense giving up two touchdowns in the fourth quarter (same with Williams in the Utah game), but he deserves some blame for the three empty clutch time possessions from the offense.
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Looks to me like it’s putting the blame on the quarterback for HIS OWN PLAY, some thing you’re completely unwilling to do re:Justin Fields.
It does not come close to saying or implying that the loss was all or even mostly his fault. I was blaming him for his own, personal play - something you’re totally unwilling to do regarding Fields pretty much ever.
You told me with a straight face that it’s not even fair to evaluate the guy until year 4.
How can I say that the case to move on from Justin Fields is a justifiable one but also say that you can’t evaluate him yet? I’m saying it’s fair to give him some benefit of the doubt. I’m not saying we can’t evaluate him. I’ve said 20x the case to move on can be justified. How many times do I have say that before it’s comprehended?
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How can I say that the case to move on from Justin Fields is a justifiable one but also say that you can’t evaluate him yet? I’m saying it’s fair to give him some benefit of the doubt. I’m not saying we can’t evaluate him. I’ve said 20x the case to move on can be justified. How many times do I have say that before it’s comprehended?
I literally asked you directly “when will it be fair to evaluate Justin Fields?” And you said “next year, like Mitch got.”
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If you’re unable to view the video I’ll help. “This is a ball thrown with anticipation. 85 is so slow (laughter)! No sense of urgency, quits on the route. Just disgusting (I feel bad for Justin, there’s so much to like here). 85 is too slow and he falls out.”
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100% of the time I’ve tried to offer an evaluation of Fields’ own personal play, you have told me there are reasons that isn’t fair to do - his WRs suck, his OL sucks, there are 30 new players, the OC sucks, etc etc. So I ask directly, when WILL it be fair to evaluate Fields’ own personal play? And you said next year.
I will just be shocked if you give Caleb Williams three years in the NFL before you think it’s fair to criticize his play.
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If you’re unable to view the video I’ll help. “This is a ball thrown with anticipation. 85 is so slow (laughter)! No sense of urgency, quits on the route. Just disgusting (I feel bad for Justin, there’s so much to like here). 85 is too slow and he falls out.”
Okay then - he only had the fumble returned for a TD to tie, and the turnover on downs down by 3 then.
Does he at least deserve the blame for his play on those drives?
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Non-glowing evaluations? I expect there’s 90% chance he’s the first player taken. His scouting report reads a lot like Justin Fields. Not identical, no. I also can’t pretend I can watch college film and say “oh yeah, great NFL player.” As I said, I’m sure Fields had some great college tape, too.
You are probably right based on your watching of Bear games and analysis of Fields. You would probably be way off.
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I literally asked you directly “when will it be fair to evaluate Justin Fields?” And you said “next year, like Mitch got.”
Yeah, IMO next year is a fairer evaluation. IMO. If Poles is adamant he needs to move on, that can be justified. It can also be justified to keep him another year.
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Okay then - he only had the fumble returned for a TD to tie, and the turnover on downs down by 3 then.
Does he at least deserve the blame for his play on those drives?
“The fumble was a Backbreaker.”
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“The fumble was a Backbreaker.”
But when I say “he played poorly down the stretch and that was part of why they lost”, you will argue with me to the ends of the Earth that that’s unfair and have a list of 4-5 different .. uh .. reasons why it’s not actually Fields’ fault when he makes bad plays.
Are you going to give Caleb Williams three seasons before you think it’s fair to criticize his play? I just can’t imagine you will no matter what team he is on.
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Fields in the running for Denver MVP.
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If Ryan Poles has conviction that he he needs to move on from Fields next year, I get it. I don’t like it. I don’t agree with it. But I get it. I don’t know why I have to be all in favor of it.
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But when I say “he played poorly down the stretch and that was part of why they lost”, you will argue with me to the ends of the Earth that that’s unfair and have a list of 4-5 different .. uh .. reasons why it’s not actually Fields’ fault when he makes bad plays.
Are you going to give Caleb Williams three seasons before you think it’s fair to criticize his play? I just can’t imagine you will no matter what team he is on.
If Caleb Williams is a Bear I will root for him. And I promise you one thing. He’ll have better talent around him than Justin had his first three years.
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And probably better coaching.
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And I don’t know why you’re so upset that I won’t say “I see the logic in passing on the top QBs to give Fields a fourth year to prove he can pass at a high level”. I don’t see the logic in that. That isn’t relevant, it doesn’t matter what I think, but to me that looks like an obvious and easily avoidable mistake.
Would you rather me just lie and be like “oh yeah I definitely see why you’d do that”?
As I’ve said a few times, if they trade back and get MHJ and keep Fields I will be excited about it - but then there can be ZERO excuses at all for Fields’ play next season. And when I asked you if that’d be the case you started it with “well given time to adjust and build cohesion,” type stuff - already setting up a ..um.. reason why Fields MIGHT not perform next year.
If the Bears keep Fields and get him MHJ I will be hopeful even though I think it’s an obvious mistake. But if they do that there can be zero excuses whatsoever next year for his play.
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You realize the bust rate on quarterbacks in the 1st round is fairly high, right? In before PAMan, “We know that all too well! Look at our current QB1!”
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If Caleb Williams is a Bear I will root for him. And I promise you one thing. He’ll have better talent around him than Justin had his first three years.
#noexcuses for Caleb in year one, but if it’s Fields in year 4 and they build cohesion and have time to mesh and the OC is good and they get a second top WR, maybe there can be no excuses. Do you really not see how differently you treat these two guys?
I wasn’t hard on Fields after year one at all. After year two, I was excited and had seen some potential there and expected the big corner turn - you were here posting “credible opinions” all last offseason about how Fields was going to be an MVP candidate. But here we are near the end of year three, and there hasn’t been some big corner turned, and he’s still an average and inconsistent passer, and we have a chance to pick the best QB prospect this franchise has ever (and maybe will ever) get a shot at.
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You realize the bust rate on quarterbacks in the 1st round is fairly high, right? In before PAMan, “We know that all too well! Look at our current QB1!”
The bust rates on QBs everywhere are high. Lower in the first round, and even lower at 1.01.
You have a better chance of getting a good QB at 1.01 than you do anywhere else in the draft.
Make a list of the 1.01 guys. Make a list of top-10 guys. Make a list of first round guys. Make a list of every QB drafted. Then tell me which list you’d rather close your eyes and pick from.
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Yes, minus mass injuries zero excuses next year. I don’t know why that’s hard to grasp. I’ve cited over and over this year had:
1) significant Preseason and early season absences and injuries that affected cohesion
2) integration of 30 new players, many of them 1st and 2nd year players (Braxton and Darnell aren’t superstars *yet*)
3) still below average talent at the skill positions (across the board). DJ is excellent, after that just guys.
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Yes, minus mass injuries zero excuses next year. I don’t know why that’s hard to grasp. I’ve cited over and over this year had:
1) significant Preseason and early season absences and injuries that affected cohesion
2) integration of 30 new players, many of them 1st and 2nd year players (Braxton and Darnell aren’t superstars *yet*)
3) still below average talent at the skill positions (across the board). DJ is excellent, after that just guys.
Damn near every single NFL team has lots of injuries every single year.
The other two things have not changed since you were posting last off-season how credible people were saying he would be an MVP candidate.
There are going to be a lot of new faces next year too. You can’t continually tout “they have a ton of cap space!” as a reason to expect a big turnaround and then say “well they had a ton of new players!” as an excuse if the turnaround doesn’t happen - that’s stupid. Literally the ability to bring in a ton of new talent was a large reason you thought the Bears and Fields would be good this year, and now it’s an excuse for why they haven’t really been that good.
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If Caleb is a Bear the talent he will have will be light years ahead of what Justin had.
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If Caleb is a Bear the talent he will have will be light years ahead of what Justin had.
There will be a lot of new faces, including his. There will be a new offensive coordinator, of unknown quality. They will have impactful injuries.
My guess is if Caleb Williams comes out and looks like shit for even a couple games and I try to use any of these things as an excuse, you will laugh in my face.
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There will be a lot of new faces, including his. There will be a new offensive coordinator, of unknown quality. They will have impactful injuries.
My guess is if Caleb Williams comes out and looks like shit for even a couple games and I try to use any of these things as an excuse, you will laugh in my face.
He’ll have DJ Moore and his best offensive linemen entering their prime years. I’m guessing Poles is going to add some pretty good skill talent too. Perhaps a MHJ (probably not if they draft Williams) but perhaps a Nabers or Bowers. Plus any impactful free agent we’ve yet to see. The core will be fully intact and seasoned by his 2nd year.
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His 2nd year would be light years ahead of Justin’s 2nd year roster wise. They pretty much can’t do worse than Getsy (would be tough), and even if it’s Getsy, it’s a more experienced Getsy.
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If Caleb is missing his 3 best OL for a month plus, gets injured and misses a month, and has only one difference making skill player I will acknowledge that.
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He’ll have DJ Moore and his best offensive linemen entering their prime years. I’m guessing Poles is going to add some pretty good skill talent too. Perhaps a MHJ (probably not if they draft Williams) but perhaps a Nabers or Bowers. Plus any impactful free agent we’ve yet to see. The core will be fully intact and seasoned by his 2nd year.
So “there are a bunch of new players” won’t be a valid excuse for Caleb Williams to play poorly?
“There’s a new offensive coordinator” or “the offensive coordinator isn’t calling the game to Caleb Williams’ strengths” won’t be a valid excuse?
“They have had some impactful injuries” won’t be a valid excuse?
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His 2nd year would be light years ahead of Justin’s 2nd year roster wise. They pretty much can’t do worse than Getsy (would be tough), and even if it’s Getsy, it’s a more experienced Getsy.
Hahaha no fuckin’ way, you’re not even willing to use THE SAME OC you use to excuse Fields’ year 3 play to excuse Caleb Williams’ (hypothetical) play as a rookie?
Holy smokes man.
If it’s Getsy surely that’s as valid an excuse if Caleb Williams plays poorly as it is when Fields plays poorly. If “there are a ton of new faces” is a valid excuse for Fields in year 3, surely it’s a valid excuse for Caleb Williams as a rookie. Right?
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How do you figure the next year or two will be even remotely the same? Think they are flipping 60% of the roster Caleb’s 2nd year? From now on we are looking at normal integration.
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It’s like when a college basketball coach comes in and cleans house and then transfers start to even things out year 2 and 3.
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C’mon Spark.
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It could not possibly be more clear that you have no intention of giving Caleb Williams any of the myriad, laundry list of excuses you give Fields even if they're the exact same excuses about the exact same people.
It's laughable.
If "there are a ton of new faces" is an excuse for poor play, fair enough. It can't be an excuse for one guy and not for the other.
If "there were impactful injuries elsewhere on the roster" is an excuse for poor play, fair enough. It can't be an excuse for one guy and not the other.
YOU'RE EVEN HERE TALKING ABOUT "IT'D BE A MORE EXPERIENCED GETSY"! Like, you've ranted all year about how Getsy is why Fields has been mediocre as a passer in year 3 and you've already decided that even if they keep Getsy, that won't be a valid excuse for poor play by Caleb Williams as a rookie!
If these things are valid excuses, they are just as valid for Caleb Williams as a rookie as they are for Justin Fields after 35 NFL starts.
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Hahaha no fuckin’ way, you’re not even willing to use THE SAME OC you use to excuse Fields’ year 3 play to excuse Caleb Williams’ (hypothetical) play as a rookie?
Holy smokes man.
If it’s Getsy surely that’s as valid an excuse if Caleb Williams plays poorly as it is when Fields plays poorly. If “there are a ton of new faces” is a valid excuse for Fields in year 3, surely it’s a valid excuse for Caleb Williams as a rookie. Right?
I had a difficult time interpreting this jumble, but I think I got your point? You think Luke Getsy year 3-4 wouldn’t be at least an improved version of Getsy? Experience counts for nothing? I’m not saying he should be here, he shouldn’t. But I’d rather him 4th year him tha 2nd year him.
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How do you figure the next year or two will be even remotely the same? Think they are flipping 60% of the roster Caleb’s 2nd year? From now on we are looking at normal integration.
I think there'll be a lot of new faces on the Bears next year. And I think in other situations, you use that as a reason the Bears/Fields will be a lot better - just like you did last year.
You can't spend all year saying "well next year they will have a lot of cap space and can bring in a bunch of new talent" and then say "well they had a bunch of new guys!" as an excuse when they don't perform, that's nuts.
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If given my druthers, I’d rather have 4th year OC Getsy coaching this team than 2nd year Getsy. I don’t see how that’s controversial. I don’t WANT him in either scenario, but I’d rather have the more experienced version if I “hafta.”
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I had a difficult time interpreting this jumble, but I think I got your point? You think Luke Getsy year 3-4 wouldn’t be at least an improved version of Getsy? Experience counts for nothing? I’m not saying he should be here, he shouldn’t. But I’d rather him 4th year him tha 2nd year him.
I think that if "Luke Getsy sucks" is a reason to handwave mediocre to poor play from a guy with 35 starts under his belt, it's just as valid a reason to handwave poor play from a guy who has never played in the NFL. Personally, I don't think it's a particularly good excuse for either guy - but I know that if it's a good enough excuse for a three year starter, it should be a good enough excuse for a rookie.
You've used Luke Getsy sucking as an excuse any time Fields has played poorly all season, and you're already saying even if it's Getsy, that isn't an excuse for Caleb Williams not to perform as a rookie.
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If given my druthers, I’d rather have 4th year OC Getsy coaching this team than 2nd year Getsy. I don’t see how that’s controversial. I don’t WANT him in either scenario, but I’d rather have the more experienced version if I “hafta.”
No one is arguing the point you're trying to make here. Of course 'experience counts'.
But if Getsy is so bad that it's not even fair to evaluate Justin Fields' play, if you're willing to use Getsy being a bad OC as an excuse for Fields ALL SEASON in his third year as a starter, it's crazy to say it's not an equally valid excuse if Caleb Williams plays poorly as a rookie.
If you think Getsy is a big part of why Fields hasn't been that good as a passer, you cannot say "that's no excuse for a rookie Caleb, Getsy has another year of experience!"
That is logically ridiculous.
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I’m saying if he’s still here, he’ll likely be better version of himself. That shouldn’t be very controversial. I never even said he’d be “good.”
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No one is arguing the point you're trying to make here. Of course 'experience counts'.
But if Getsy is so bad that it's not even fair to evaluate Justin Fields' play, if you're willing to use Getsy being a bad OC as an excuse for Fields ALL SEASON in his third year as a starter, it's crazy to say it's not an equally valid excuse if Caleb Williams plays poorly as a rookie.
If you think Getsy is a big part of why Fields hasn't been that good as a passer, you cannot say "that's no excuse for a rookie Caleb, Getsy has another year of experience!"
That is logically ridiculous.
You’re extrapolating…
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I’m saying if he’s still here, he’ll likely be better version of himself. That shouldn’t be very controversial. I never even said he’d be “good.”
But no one is arguing the other side of that. You’re arguing a tangent.
If they get Caleb Williams and keep Luke Getsy and Luke Getsy still sucks, that should be just as valid an excuse for a rookie Caleb Williams as it is for Justin Fields in his third year. And you’ve used “well Getsy sucks” all year to excuse poor play from Fields.
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You’re extrapolating…
How so?
Have you not used Getsy being a bad OC as a reason Fields hasn’t turned the corner like we hoped as a passer this year?
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It’ll be unfortunate for Caleb, but it’ll likely be a better version of Luke than Justin got. I don’t see how experience doesn’t factor in for an OC at all. What I’m saying isn’t controversial.
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How so?
Have you not used Getsy being a bad OC as a reason Fields hasn’t turned the corner like we hoped as a passer this year?
So just like Justin Fields, he can’t possibly improve? I’m not saying he’ll ever be good, but maybe closer to league average?
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So a guy who’s a rookie OC will be exactly the same coach 3-4 years later?
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It’ll be unfortunate for Caleb, but it’ll likely be a better version of Luke than Justin got. I don’t see how experience doesn’t factor in for an OC at all. What I’m saying isn’t controversial.
Zero people are saying “experience doesn’t factor in for an OC at all”. That isn’t at issue but you’ve argued against the notion 3-4 times now.
If Getsy sucking is an excuse for Fields not turning the corner as a passer in year 3 - and you have surely used that as an excuse consistently this year - then “Getsy sucks” should be just as valid an excuse for Caleb Williams even with another year of experience.
If they kept Getsy AND Fields, would you say “well Getsy in his third year will be better than he was in his second year so that can’t be an excuse anymore?” Or would you mock anyone who said that endlessly with #noexcuses type bullshit?
Does Luke Getsy suck? Do you believe Luke Getsy sucking is a big factor in Fields not having the turn the corner type year we all hoped for as a passer?
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All I said is he’d be stuck with a more experienced version of Getsy. Make a federal case out of that if you will. It’s not a controversial take in the least.
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I can’t see them keeping Getsy if they keep Fields. But it’s also hard to see them changing offenses. It’s a no bueno situation. But hopefully Getsy would be at least somewhat better if he’s back next year. I would think 2 years experience helps some.
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I’d be happy if they brought in another co-coordinator. Someone with real chops who won’t overhaul everything.
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All I said is he’d be stuck with a more experienced version of Getsy. Make a federal case out of that if you will. It’s not a controversial take in the least.
And all I said is that “if Luke Getsy sucking is a valid excuse for Fields to still be mediocre in the passing game in year 3 as a starter, it should be just as valid an excuse for Caleb Williams as a rookie.” I don’t think that’s really that controversial either, but then you started being like “WHAT YOU DONT THINK EXPERIENCE MATTERS!?” As if Getsy sucking will no longer be a valid excuse for a QB to underperform as a passer next season.
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Bringing in Forester or Kubiak from SF to work hand in hand with Getsy could be a good answer. The offenses are supposedly similar and could even have the same verbage. Lafleur worked a large handful of years with Shanahan.
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JFC man. All I said is a “better version of Getsy.” Doesn’t necessarily mean elite or even good. So you’re saying no matter how much more experience, Getsy can’t/wont get “better?” Do I have that right? Because you can’t be saying anything else.
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I said it would be “unfortunate” for Caleb if he got stuck with Getsy. But at least he’d be a more experienced version of himself. I can’t be any more clear.
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Half an hour ago.
It’ll be unfortunate for Caleb, but it’ll likely be a better version of Luke than Justin got. I don’t see how experience doesn’t factor in for an OC at all. What I’m saying isn’t controversial.
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JFC man. All I said is a “better version of Getsy.” Doesn’t necessarily mean elite or even good. So you’re saying no matter how much more experience, Getsy can’t/wont get “better?” Do I have that right? Because you can’t be saying anything else.
I said what I meant. If you can point to where I said “no matter how much more experience, Getsy can’t/won’t get better” then yeah I said it. You can’t though, because I didn’t say it.
Getsy has more experience this year than he had last year - so he must be better right? But you still find him being a bad OC to be a valid excuse when Fields plays poorly.
If Getsy being his OC is a valid excuse for Fields to play poorly after 35 NFL starts, it should be a valid excuse for Caleb Williams to play poorly in his first NFL game. If you think otherwise, it is because of the wildly different standards you’re already holding the two quarterbacks to.
Shouldn’t be complicated or remotely controversial. If having Getsy as your OC is a valid excuse for poor play it should be a valid excuse for rookie Caleb Williams just as it is for third year Justin Fields.
If it isn’t a valid excuse for rookie Caleb Williams, it should also not be a valid excuse for third year Justin Fields.
Nothing remotely controversial about that.
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Half an hour ago.
Yes half an hour you made a marvelous argument against a thing zero people anywhere were saying as a means to totally avoid the thing I clearly was saying
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Let’s put it this way - if the expectation is that a third year of Getsy would be so much improved that it’s no longer a valid excuse for poor QB play, then if they keep Fields they should probably keep him too rather than put Fields in a position where he has a third new OC in a year with huge money on the line.
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No improvement.
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No improvement.
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Point to where I said he has shown no improvement.
I can point to a dozen times I explicitly said the exact opposite but I would love for you to show me one time I said the thing you’re trying to make an argument against.
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Let’s put it this way - if the expectation is that a third year of Getsy would be so much improved that it’s no longer a valid excuse for poor QB play, then if they keep Fields they should probably keep him too rather than put Fields in a position where he has a third new OC in a year with huge money on the line.
“It would be UNFORTUNATE for Caleb, but at least he’d be a more experienced version of himself (Getsy).
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“It would be UNFORTUNATE for Caleb, but at least he’d be a more experienced version of himself (Getsy).
Yes - so if the expectation is that Getsy’s third year will be improved in a way that his play calling will no longer be a valid excuse if the QB plays poorly, then it’d be really unfair to Fields to fire him in a show-me year.
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Fields since the Commanders game on October 5th:
3.5 games. 667 yards (190 per game, over 3.5 games), 2 TD, 1 INT, 86.51 passer rating.
267 rushing yards (76 per game, over 3.5 games), 1 rushing TD, 3 fumbles.
He had a great stretch for the Broncos/Commanders games, no doubt. Since then he has regressed back into a mediocre quarterback.
I hoped, like all Bears fans, that those Broncos/Commanders games were Fields turning a corner as a passer. All indications to this point are that he hasn't done that.[/b]
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I’ll allow that you’ve likely said “improved over thoroughly mediocre,” but 2nd in the NFL would be somewhat better than slightly improved over mediocre, no?
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Correct.
Passer rating in the mid 80’s since the Commanders game. Mediocre in the passing game.
3.5 games, 66% completion, 667 yards (190 per game), 2 TD 1 INT, 86.5 passer rating (89 is the league average). Are these killer passing stats and I just don’t know what good numbers look like? Over 17 games it’s about 3200 yards, 10 TD, 5 INT.
There’s a reason so many of these tweets you quote say “in the last five full games” (ie ignore football that he actually did play) or “since week 4” (not since week 6). He had two phenomenal games against, at best, average passing defenses. And since those games he has reverted to the same mediocre passer he has been.
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Yes - so if the expectation is that Getsy’s third year will be improved in a way that his play calling will no longer be a valid excuse if the QB plays poorly, then it’d be really unfair to Fields to fire him in a show-me year.
I never said that. You’re “extrapolating.” I said he’d at least be a more experienced and likely better version of himself. I never once said he be actually good.
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Correct.
Passer rating in the mid 80’s since the Commanders game. Mediocre in the passing game.
3.5 games, 66% completion, 667 yards (190 per game), 2 TD 1 INT, 86.5 passer rating (89 is the league average). Are these killer passing stats and I just don’t know what good numbers look like? Over 17 games it’s about 3200 yards, 10 TD, 5 INT.
There’s a reason so many of these tweets you quote say “in the last five full games” (ie ignore football that he actually did play) or “since week 4” (not since week 6). He had two phenomenal games against, at best, average passing defenses. And since those games he has reverted to the same mediocre passer he has been.
If he’s “reverted,” how is he 2nd in the league in adjusted pass completion? He was once first by a mile?
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I never said that. You’re “extrapolating.” I said he’d at least be a more experienced and likely better version of himself. I never once said he be actually good.
So if Caleb Williams has Getsy as OC and is bad, and I said “well Getsy sucks, can’t blame Caleb for that”, you will say “yep I agree, it’s because of Getsy”?
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If he’s “reverted,” how is he 2nd in the league in adjusted pass completion? He was one first by a mile?
Did he maybe have a notable game in there where he completed like, 15 passes at or behind the LOS that might bump up his completion numbers without actually being very productive? Spit balling here.
If he’s been so good, why do his numbers look so mediocre? If coming into this season I said “he’s going to play 17 games and complete 66% of his passes for 3200 yards, 10 TD and 5 INT” would you be like wow that sounds like he’s really improved?
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I don’t just look at stats. They don’t always tell the whole story.
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Did he maybe have a notable game in there where he completed like, 15 passes at or behind the LOS that might bump up his completion numbers without actually being very productive? Spit balling here.
If he’s been so good, why do his numbers look so mediocre? If coming into this season I said “he’s going to play 17 games and complete 66% of his passes for 3200 yards, 10 TD and 5 INT” would you be like wow that sounds like he’s really improved?
Where are you getting those numbers from?
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I don’t just look at stats. They don’t always tell the whole story.
Well yes you do. You’re trying to use a stat literally right this second to make a point.
You don’t acknowledge stats that contradict your pre existing opinion.
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When I see passing stats they don’t say things like Dante Pettis, Byron Pringle, NKeal Harry, Lucas Patrick etc
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Where are you getting those numbers from?
It’s his numbers since the Commanders game - which you’re saying is much improved passing - extrapolated over a 17 game season. If he was as productive as he’s been since Washington and stayed healthy for 17 games, those would be his passing numbers.
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Well yes you do. You’re trying to use a stat literally right this second to make a point.
You don’t acknowledge stats that contradict your pre existing opinion.
I sometimes refer to stats. Often to shoot down questionable narratives. I don’t rely solely on stats to make my case.
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When I see passing stats they don’t say things like Dante Pettis, Byron Pringle, NKeal Harry, Lucas Patrick etc
But YOUR passing stats are valid and show clear evidence of a big improvement. Adjusted completion, that’s the one that counts most.
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Where is the stat that says Cole Kmet ran the route with no urgency and fell back?
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I sometimes refer to stats. Often to shoot down questionable narratives. I don’t rely solely on stats to make my case.
You’ve probably posted 5-7 tweets in the last two days with some stat trying to make your point.
You don’t like stats when they contradict you. When they confirm your bias you accept them regardless of how the game actually looked (ie, ignore that lucky ass TD drive last game, ignore the game where he completed most of his passes at or behind the LOS, etc)
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But YOUR passing stats are valid and show clear evidence of a big improvement. Adjusted completion, that’s the one that counts most.
They contradict your narrative that there’s no discernible improvement. Better passer rating than Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence this year.
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Where is the stat that says Cole Kmet ran the route with no urgency and fell back?
The same place as the one that shows the Lions jumping on the worst defensive play of the year and gifting the Bears a TD - half of Fields’ passing TD total since the Washington game.
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You’ve probably posted 5-7 tweets in the last two days with some stat trying to make your point.
You don’t like stats when they contradict you. When they confirm your bias you accept them regardless of how the game actually looked (ie, ignore that lucky ass TD drive last game, ignore the game where he completed most of his passes at or behind the LOS, etc)
Cuz you’re in the stat biz. Thought you’d like them.
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Cuz you’re in the stat biz. Thought you’d like them.
LOL
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Justin was horrendous the first 3 games, no doubt. He’s been better since. And yes, peaked weeks 4 and 5. But better since.
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The same place as the one that shows the Lions jumping on the worst defensive play of the year and gifting the Bears a TD - half of Fields’ passing TD total since the Washington game.
That’s a PAMan answer if I ever saw one.
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They contradict your narrative that there’s no discernible improvement. Better passer rating than Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence this year.
I don’t know how many dozen times I can tell you that “there’s no discernible improvement” is a narrative YOU made up, not me. I have said that he’s shown some improvement at least a dozen times, but you don’t care.
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That’s a PAMan answer if I ever saw one.
Why is “context” valid if it confirms your belief, but “a PAMan answer” if it doesn’t?
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I don’t know how many dozen times I can tell you that “there’s no discernible improvement” is a narrative YOU made up, not me. I have said that he’s shown some improvement at least a dozen times, but you don’t care.
Just as I’ve said dozens of times now that the case to move on from Fields is justifiable and that it would “unfortunate” for Caleb if he was handed to Getsy, but you don’t care.
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Justin was horrendous the first 3 games, no doubt. He’s been better since. And yes, peaked weeks 4 and 5. But better since.
Better than the first three weeks, yeah - definitely. That’s an exceptionally low bar for a QB in his 34th-36th NFL start.
Since the Washington game he’s played at a pace that, were he healthy for a full season, would result in 3200 yards passing with 10 TD, 5 INT.
If that’s the type of improvement you were looking for post-Commanders game and you want to claim some kind of victory like he’s been way better go right ahead. I was looking for more improvement than that.
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Why is “context” valid if it confirms your belief, but “a PAMan answer” if it doesn’t?
So the great cadence (according to Kmet,) the situational awareness and throwing a perfect strike downfield count for nothing? It’s a PAMan take. From central casting.
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Just as I’ve said dozens of times now that the case to move on from Fields is justifiable and that it would “unfortunate” for Caleb if he was handed to Getsy, but you don’t care.
Huh? I’ve acknowledged both things. I’m glad you think moving on would be justified, but just like with my view it doesn’t matter.
You also went on and on about how if Getsy was still around he’d surely be improved. Probably true - but if he’s so bad that you can’t even evaluate his QB then that’s probably true of the next guy too, even with another year of experience. If it’s not true then they can’t justify moving on from him - after all, he’ll obviously be better next season whether it’s Caleb or Justin.
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I said a more experienced version of himself. And I used the word “likely,” not “surely.” You need to look in the mirror sometimes. You’re mischaracterizing what I said.
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So the great cadence (according to Kmet,) the situational awareness and throwing a perfect strike downfield count for nothing? It’s a PAMan take. From central casting.
There’s no fucking way you’re going to try to act like this play was anything other than an absolutely inexcusable mental mistake from the Lions right? Like you must be kidding.
There’s no reason for anyone to even considering jumping on 4th and 13 when the Bears are extremely obviously planning on taking a delay and punting the ball.
Like you’re just being absolutely ridiculous now. It was a fine throw on a busted coverage free play where the only reason the ball was snapped at all was because a defender made the biggest mental blunder you’ll probably see in an NFL game this year.
If you’re really willing to come here and point at that fucking play as some great play by Justin Fields we are done here. That’s an absolute joke and you know it.
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So when Aaron Rodgers takes advantage of the other teams’ mental errors those plays don’t count as good plays?
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I said a more experienced version of himself. And I used the word “likely,” not “surely.” You need to look in the mirror sometimes. You’re mischaracterizing what I said.
You could not more clearly be setting up a justification to be a “no excuses” guy if the Bears draft Caleb Williams.
At the same time when we talk about if they keep Fields you’re saying shit like “well if they stay healthy and have time to build cohesion then you can evaluate him next year”.
If you can’t see it I don’t know what to tell you. You are arguing using extremely different standards for a guy with 35 starts than a rookie. It’s crazy.
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If Aaron Rodgers makes that play the narrative is “Damn, that Aaron Rodgers is crafty.”
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So when Aaron Rodgers takes advantage of the other teams’ mental errors those plays don’t count as good plays?
If over 3.5 weeks one of the two touchdown throws Aaron Rodgers had was on a 4th and 13 with the most inexplicable offsides jump I’ve ever seen, I’d probably say “Rodgers hasn’t been very good in the passing game” even if he took advantage of a maybe once-a-season type disaster mistake.
That touchdown was an absolute fucking gift, and if you’re unwilling to even acknowledge that fact you’re not really arguing from a reasonable place IMO.
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I never once said Caleb would be fortunate to have Getsy. I did say it would be UNFORTUNATE, like 8 times.
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If Aaron Rodgers makes that play the narrative is “Damn, that Aaron Rodgers is crafty.”
Absolutely not.
If it was 4th and 1 from the 30 then yes, I’d be here singing Fields’ praises.
4th and 13 from the 38 setting up to take a delay penalty? God no. That is a gift whether it’s Fields or Rodgers or Tom Brady.
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I never once said Caleb would be fortunate to have Getsy. I did say it would be UNFORTUNATE, like 8 times.
Nor did I say you said that, but thanks
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Definitely a big mental error. Still a good play by the Bears.
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Nor did I say you said that, but thanks
JFC
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I can’t be more clear. If Caleb Williams gets saddled with Getsy, too bad for him. Still a more experienced version of himself than Fields got. Not controversial.
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Taking advantage of mental errors- GOOD. But not THAT mental error.
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I can’t be more clear. If Caleb Williams gets saddled with Getsy, too bad for him. Still a more experienced version of himself than Fields got. Not controversial.
Correct, which is why no one has argued with that notion yet.
Also not controversial: if Getsy is such a bad OC that his play calling is a valid excuse for a QB to play poorly, that should be just as true for a third year QB this year as it would be for a rookie QB next year. If it’s not a valid excuse for a QB to play poorly, then that should be just as true for the rookie next year as it is for a third year QB this year.
Not controversial.
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Situational awareness, intangibles, who cares. Just show me the statz.
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Taking advantage of mental errors- GOOD. But not THAT mental error.
It’s great that we took advantage of the mental error.
It’s insane to act like it was something to point to re: Fields performance, and not an extremely rare level of mental mistake by the defense that created it.
Without Fields making the read and throw, it’s not a touchdown - agree. He did that, he threw the touchdown. Without the inexplicable mistake by the defense, the Bears punt on 4th and 18 from the Lions’ 43.
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Correct, which is why no one has argued with that notion yet.
Also not controversial: if Getsy is such a bad OC that his play calling is a valid excuse for a QB to play poorly, that should be just as true for a third year QB this year as it would be for a rookie QB next year. If it’s not a valid excuse for a QB to play poorly, then that should be just as true for the rookie next year as it is for a third year QB this year.
Not controversial.
So zero chance Getsy gets even a little bit better over 3-4 years. Got it.
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Situational awareness, intangibles, who cares. Just show me the statz.
Come on man, you said you would stop doing this bullshit.
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So zero chance Getsy gets even a little bit better over 3-4 years. Got it.
You said you would stop doing this shit man.
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Taking advantage of mental errors- GOOD. But not THAT mental error.
You said you would stop doing this shit.
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You said you would stop doing this shit man.
I can't believe this discussion. I need a break from this place.
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So Getsy can get better with experience?
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So Getsy can get better with experience?
Yes. More experience usually leads to at least some level of improvement.
He probably DID get better with experience already, right? He’s better in year 2 than year 1? But you still think “Getsy is the OC” is a valid excuse for Fields when he plays poorly. How much credit are you willing to give Getsy for the big obvious improvement you see in Fields’ passing?
You made a thread titled “Luke Gutless” because he had a game plan that had Fields complete like 15-20 passes at or behind the LOS, and then a couple weeks later you pointed to Fields’ “adjusted completion” stat since that game to show how improved he was.
I think if the expectation is for a year 3 Getsy is to be notably better than a year 2 Getsy, then it would be really unfair to Fields to fire Getsy and make Fields learn another new offense (assuming they keep Fields).
But I don’t think - were they to actually keep both guys - you would stop using Getsy’s play calling as an excuse to defend Fields next year. I think you are ranting about Getsy’s potential improvement as a means to set up a situation where you criticize Caleb Williams from game one and give him none of the long list of excuses you’re still using to defend Fields, if they go that direction instead.
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I think there are times Getsy looks improved. And then he does shit like run shotgun power QB on 3rd and gives the ball to a WR on 4th and 1.
Watch JT O’Sullivan and Chase Daniel All22s. Tbey are clearly not Getsy fans.
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I can't believe this discussion. I need a break from this place.
I just pointed out three really blatant and obvious strawmen you beat up in the last like hour. You told me you would stop doing that and you have spent all morning doing it.
I’d say I can’t believe it but I obviously expected it. It’s what you’ve done the entire time I have known you.
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I think there are times Getsy looks improved. And then he does shit like run shotgun power QB on 3rd and gives the ball to a WR on 4th and 1.
Watch JT O’Sullivan and Chase Daniel All22s. Tbey are clearly not Getsy fans.
Do they think he can improve with experience?
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Completely agnostic to the QB discussion:
If Getsy is back next year is “he has Getsy as OC and he sucks” a valid excuse if the QB plays poorly (whether that’s Fields, Maye, Williams, or someone else)?
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It's gonna be amazing to watch Tempo transition to president of the Getsy fan club if they dump Fields and draft Williams.
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It's gonna be amazing to watch Tempo transition to president of the Getsy fan club if they dump Fields and draft Williams.
It does kind of feel like he’s starting to edge in that direction, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he will not do that if that situation arises.
For all our arguing, I suspect Tempo will be “in” on Caleb Williams if they draft him.
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I think there are times Getsy looks improved. And then he does shit like run shotgun power QB on 3rd and gives the ball to a WR on 4th and 1.
Watch JT O’Sullivan and Chase Daniel All22s. Tbey are clearly not Getsy fans.
To this I’d say, there are also times when I think Fields has turned the corner, and then he goes out and has a drive like that one this week where he was damn near begging to turn it over and I question the whole thing.
But when I point that sort of thing out you almost always respond with some form of the question “oh so you expect him to be perfect every game?”, and then you start arguing in a way that’s intended to make me defend the notion that Fields needs to be perfect - something I never said or implied.
I don’t see you apply that same logic to your criticisms of Getsy, or Caleb Williams for example. Where any criticism implies you expect them to be perfect.
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It's gonna be amazing to watch Tempo transition to president of the Getsy fan club if they dump Fields and draft Williams.
Yep, Tempo's linguistical knots will rival Nichi's current work on this site....
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It's gonna be amazing to watch Tempo transition to president of the Getsy fan club if they dump Fields and draft Williams.
Weird take
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Yep, Tempo's linguistical knots will rival Nichi's current work on this site....
You boys make sure you get a good piece of that ankle!
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To this I’d say, there are also times when I think Fields has turned the corner, and then he goes out and has a drive like that one this week where he was damn near begging to turn it over and I question the whole thing.
But when I point that sort of thing out you almost always respond with some form of the question “oh so you expect him to be perfect every game?”, and then you start arguing in a way that’s intended to make me defend the notion that Fields needs to be perfect - something I never said or implied.
I don’t see you apply that same logic to your criticisms of Getsy, or Caleb Williams for example. Where any criticism implies you expect them to be perfect.
Dude, I can't even get you to agree a 3rd or 4th year Getsy would likely be a better version of himself (still probably not that good),
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It's gonna be amazing to watch Tempo transition to president of the Getsy fan club if they dump Fields and draft Williams.
Ankle biting shit
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To this I’d say, there are also times when I think Fields has turned the corner, and then he goes out and has a drive like that one this week where he was damn near begging to turn it over and I question the whole thing.
But when I point that sort of thing out you almost always respond with some form of the question “oh so you expect him to be perfect every game?”, and then you start arguing in a way that’s intended to make me defend the notion that Fields needs to be perfect - something I never said or implied.
I don’t see you apply that same logic to your criticisms of Getsy, or Caleb Williams for example. Where any criticism implies you expect them to be perfect.
Dude, I can’t even get you to concede that a more experienced Getsy would likely be a better version of himself. Apparently. The most benign take you’ve been ripping to shreds for two pages.
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Maybe we can solve this this way, pick one.
If Getsy is here for year 3 and 4 he’d mostly likely be:
1) Likely a better, more experienced version of himself (still probably not that good).
2) He’ll be exactly the same guy forever
3) other; explain.
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Maybe we can solve this this way, pick one.
If Getsy is here for year 3 and 4 he’d mostly likely be:
1) Likely a better, more experienced version of himself (still probably not that good).
2) He’ll be exactly the same guy forever
3) other; explain.
Nice sig, you fucking piece of shit.
I guess that's what you get when you stand up for someone. Nice.
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Jobu, do you believe that hateful speech against Justin Fields is contrary to HQ2’s Code of Conduct or is it allowed at HQ2?
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It’s a simple question.
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Nice sig, you fucking piece of shit.
I guess that's what you get when you stand up for someone. Nice.
Glad you like it. A message board is serious shit. Or so I’ve been told.
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My guess is you were just as eager to call me a piece of shit as to stand up for Spark.
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Jobu, do you believe that hateful speech against Justin Fields is contrary to HQ2’s Code of Conduct or is it allowed at HQ2?
I don't run this board, lol, contrary to a certain sig that you might have seen. This place is definitely not under my wing. Anything is allowed, as far as I know.
That's the thing about a self policing board. If it's going to be self policed, maybe someone should do it every once in a while. Tempo was an absolute piece of shit yesterday. More than normal. I called it out. That's what self policing is.
Or, there could be a real moderator that deletes content and issues warnings and has a power trip, and what the fuck ever. I like this method better.
With that being said, I'm taking some time off of here. It's the holidays, and I would rather be happy. Plus I have a shitload of work to do.
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My guess is you were just as eager to call me a piece of shit as to stand up for Spark.
You would be incorrect. What you did was crap. I called it out. That's it.
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I don't run this board, lol, contrary to a certain sig that you might have seen. This place is definitely not under my wing. Anything is allowed, as far as I know.
That's the thing about a self policing board. If it's going to be self policed, maybe someone should do it every once in a while. Tempo was an absolute piece of shit yesterday. More than normal. I called it out. That's what self policing is.
Or, there could be a real moderator that deletes content and issues warnings and has a power trip, and what the fuck ever. I like this method better.
With that being said, I'm taking some time off of here. It's the holidays, and I would rather be happy. Plus I have a shitload of work to do.
Way to go, Tempo, driving Jobu off.
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Way to go, Tempo, driving Jobu off.
It’s kind of a tradition, no? He’ll be back. Thinking about running myself off for a while.
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It’s kind of a tradition, no? He’ll be back. Thinking about running myself off for a while.
I'll definitely be back. It's like I tell my dog when I get back home. "I always come back for you!"
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It’s kind of a tradition, no? He’ll be back. Thinking about running myself off for a while.
Way to go Spark, running Tempo off.
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Pretty soon it's gonna be nothing but Spark arguing with Nichi about the slush fund
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I'll definitely be back. It's like I tell my dog when I get back home. "I always come back for you!"
Well you should come back because eventually someone is going to need to let me out to pee.
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Dude, I can't even get you to agree a 3rd or 4th year Getsy would likely be a better version of himself (still probably not that good),
If you ignore all the times I said that? Sure.
I’ve said over and over sure, the guy is likely to be improved with more experienced.
But right now you say he’s so bad that it’s not even fair to evaluate his players because they play for him - would you expect him improve so much that that’s no longer true? You’ve been blaming Fields’ performance on him all year, it surprised me quite a bit to see the “well he’ll probably be improved if he’s back next year” take.
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See how you’re doing what you always accuse me of doing? Saying that you “can’t evaluate” anyone because of Getsy? I never said that, and you’re making me defend it.
There are plenty of things we can evaluate Justin on. A couple of obvious ones are he still holds the ball too long and the fumbles. Both very fair criticisms and not anything we can hang on Getsy.
I never once said “we can’t evaluate Fields because of Getsy.” I just said Getsy doesnt look to be very good at his job. You’re making me defend something I didn’t say.
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See how you’re doing what you always accuse me of doing? Saying that you “can’t evaluate” anyone because of Getsy? I never said that, and you’re making me defend it.
There are plenty of things we can evaluate Justin on. A couple of obvious ones are he still holds the ball too long and the fumbles. Both very fair criticisms and not anything we can hang on Getsy.
I never once said “we can’t evaluate Fields because of Getsy.” I just said Getsy doesnt look to be very good at his job. You’re making me defend something I didn’t say.
I legitimately have heard you use Getsy as an excuse for Fields’ play so many times that I assumed you thought Getsy being a bad OC was a valid excuse when Fields doesn’t perform. I even had asked you when it was fair to evaluate Fields and you said next year - I assumed the bad OC (along with the injuries and the new faces) played into that comment. A few times when I’ve criticized Fields you’ve talked about JT and Chase Daniel saying it isn’t Fields, it’s “scheme” or “design”, and that’s coaching.
I believed you thought it wasn’t fair to evaluate Fields in part because of a bad OC, because when I’ve made critical evaluations of Fields you have defended him by saying (among other things) yeah but, he has a bad OC.
I apologize for misinterpreting that - I will try not to do it again.
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What percentage of credit / blame for Fields’ performance (good and bad) as a passer would you give to Getsy, as opposed to Fields or Eberflus?
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Everybody sees what Tempo is doing. He’s not fooling anybody. Spark is eating him alive.
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Everybody sees what Tempo is doing. He’s not fooling anybody. Spark is eating him alive.
I'm trying to talk to him dude. I'm not trying to "get him".
If I'm misrepresenting something he's saying it's not intentional and I appreciate him pointing it out.
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I'm trying to talk to him dude. I'm not trying to "get him".
If I'm misrepresenting something he's saying it's not intentional and I appreciate him pointing it out.
It’s pointless. He’s literally a Justin Fields apologist. Like he’s purposely being dishonest and the last 10 pages of bullshit. Nobody is saying you’re “trying to get him” either. You’re eating him alive by pointing out his hypocrisy and bullshit.
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I think Getsy is part of the problem, I never once said “we can’t evaluate anyone (or even Justin specifically) because of Getsy.” Do I think Getsy is bad at his job? Yes. So do most Bears fans.
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Everybody sees what Tempo is doing. He’s not fooling anybody. Spark is eating him alive.
Oh JFC
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What percentage of credit / blame for Fields’ performance (good and bad) as a passer would you give to Getsy, as opposed to Fields or Eberflus?
That’s impossible to answer.
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That’s impossible to answer.
Just say all of it and end this 20 page fucking bullshit of a defense of Fields…
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That’s impossible to answer.
This sort of thing really surprises me. Like, it doesn't seem to match every other part of our conversations about Fields and Getsy.
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Just say all of it and end this 20 page fucking bullshit of a defense of Fields…
99.99%
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This sort of thing really surprises me. Like, it doesn't seem to match every other part of our conversations about Fields and Getsy.
The one thing Bears fans are unified on these days is that Luke Getsy is bad at his job. He’s PART of the problem. Thst doesn’t mean there aren’t things we can evaluate Justin on fairly. You’re doing exactly what you always accuse me of doing.
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The one thing Bears fans are unified on these days is that Luke Getsy is bad at his job. He’s PART of the problem. Thst doesn’t mean there aren’t things we can evaluate Justin on fairly. You’re doing exactly what you always accuse me of doing.
I have literally NEVER accused you of trying to clarify my views so you could discuss them instead of beat up a strawman - promise.
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If you ignore all the times I said that? Sure.
I’ve said over and over sure, the guy is likely to be improved with more experienced.
But right now you say he’s so bad that it’s not even fair to evaluate his players because they play for him - would you expect him improve so much that that’s no longer true? You’ve been blaming Fields’ performance on him all year, it surprised me quite a bit to see the “well he’ll probably be improved if he’s back next year” take.
I’d like for you to produce that quote.
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I’ve watched a fair bit of expert (what’s an expert?! Lol) All22 Analysis this year, and I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard things like “the details in the offense aren’t there; this is not a football play on Friday night, Saturday morning, or Sunday Afternoon; etc” they are criticizing the coaching and design.
Again, the one thing Bears are pretty unified on is that Getsy sucks. I don’t think he puts his team and quarterback in strong position to win.
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I’d like for you to produce that quote.
I apologize that I misrepresented you. I haven't said it since then, because I don't want to misrepresent you.
It wasn't intentional. It was the impression that I'd gotten from all the times we'd talked about Fields' play, and I was wrong.
My bad.
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I’ve watched a fair bit of expert (what’s an expert?! Lol) All22 Analysis this year, and I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard things like “the details in the offense aren’t there; this is not a football play on Friday night, Saturday morning, or Sunday Afternoon; etc” they are criticizing the coaching and design.
Again, the one thing Bears are pretty unified on is that Getsy sucks. I don’t think he puts his team and quarterback in strong position to win.
Is that a valid excuse for the QB to play poorly, or not produce in the passing game?
Asking completely legitimately, not trying a "gotcha" or anything.
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Honestly no idea - is Chase Daniel an "expert"?
Like, he was a good college QB who played in the NFL mostly as a backup QB. I won't deny he obviously knows a whole lot more about quarterback play than I do. A lot of people do.
But that doesn't mean that he's right, or that I'm wrong. If it did, the "experts" would agree and they don't. You only post the opinions of the "experts" who agree with you.
I feel like if I was the exact same guy I am with the exact same lack of experience and I made a well-produced YouTube video analyzing a quarterback's play play-by-play, some people would call that an expert. I just don't know if I agree with that notion.
I'm curious - did you play organized football growing up? I didn't.
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Thank you.
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To be completely honest, I have not watched a single minute of this yet. I share Chase because JT O’Sullivan is behind a paywall.
I’m going to try to watch this tonight. I’m still only 1/3 of the way through O’Sullivan this week.
https://youtu.be/IjGUW2L61oM?si=8mCDUwnsbsVk_u1A
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I thought former NFL DB Tyvis Powell (Browns analyst) made some great points talking to Gabe Ramirez today (Gabe reminds me a lot of what I hear here).
https://youtu.be/IjGUW2L61oM?si=8mCDUwnsbsVk_u1A
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To be completely honest, I have not watched a single minute of this yet. I share Chase because JT O’Sullivan is behind a paywall.
I’m going to try to watch this tonight. I’m still only 1/3 of the way through O’Sullivan this week.
https://youtu.be/IjGUW2L61oM?si=8mCDUwnsbsVk_u1A
Does he do the paywall via Patreon or something?
I don't know how any of that works.
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To be completely honest, I have not watched a single minute of this yet. I share Chase because JT O’Sullivan is behind a paywall.
I’m going to try to watch this tonight. I’m still only 1/3 of the way through O’Sullivan this week.
https://youtu.be/IjGUW2L61oM?si=8mCDUwnsbsVk_u1A
Of course you’re gonna watch it, the fucking title is “Justin Fields has superpowers - QB film breakdown… 😂 what the fuck?!
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Does he do the paywall via Patreon or something?
I don't know how any of that works.
Yes, his stuff was free the first couple weeks of the season but then it’s all on Patreon now
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$5 a week I think it is IIRC
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Of course you’re gonna watch it, the fucking title is “Justin Fields has superpowers - QB film breakdown… 😂 what the fuck?!
I’ve watched multiple chase Daniel all 22s this year
He also had a very different take on the fourth down TD pass to DJ. “High level quarterbacking, absolute dime of a throw.” Also gave a cap tip to Getsy.
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Chase Daniel is still all free I think, but he doesn’t dive as deep as O’Sullivan.
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I’ve watched multiple chase Daniel all 22s this year
He also had a very different take on the fourth down TD pass to DJ. “High level quarterbacking, absolute dime of a throw.” Also gave a cap tip to Getsy.
I bet that gave you an erection huh?
So excited you’d fuck Jobu’s wife!
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I’ve watched multiple chase Daniel all 22s this year
He also had a very different take on the fourth down TD pass to DJ. “High level quarterbacking, absolute dime of a throw.” Also gave a cap tip to Getsy.
Where do you find the time?! 🤔
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I bet that gave you an erection huh?
So excited you’d fuck Jobu’s wife!
Weird. This reminds me of 2018 JJ. Cmon, you’re better than this.
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I’ve watched multiple chase Daniel all 22s this year
He also had a very different take on the fourth down TD pass to DJ. “High level quarterbacking, absolute dime of a throw.” Also gave a cap tip to Getsy.
It was a perfectly good throw, no problem with the throw whatsoever. That's not really the point.
It's a throw that exclusively existed because of an awful defensive mistake. Not one person in that stadium other than Aidan Hutchinson thought the Bears were even considering snapping the ball on 4th and 13. The coverage was terrible and I have to believe it's because not one other person on the defensive side of the ball thought there was a 1% chance the ball was being snapped.
If you were really planning on defending a 4th and 13 play from the Bears, would you put DJ Moore in press man with no safety help? IDK, every indication on that play is that both teams recognized that they had no intention of snapping the ball except Hutchinson inexplicably jumped.
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Chase also mentioned the cadence and the way Justin (and the Bears) were selling it, really set them up.
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The safety moved in towards Kmet for some reason.
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Again, if it’s Aaron Rodgers making that play I think the narrative is different
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Chase also mentioned the cadence and the way Justin (and the Bears) were selling it, really set them up.
But like come on man. His cadence?
There was a 0% chance of snapping the ball. There's no way anyone who follows football even remotely closely saw them line up 4th and 13 at the 38 and thought "maybe they'll really go for it?"
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The safety moved in towards Kmet for some reason.
Well once they jump and it's snapped you've gotta complete the play right? They had DJ in single press with no help. Not like you can just leave your assignment to cover him once the ball's snapped.
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Again, if it’s Aaron Rodgers making that play I think the narrative is different
Maybe for some others, I can't speak to that.
There's no QB in history that I would watch make that play and say anything other than, "Jesus Christ what a fucking gift that was". It was a horrendous mistake.
Rodgers is IMO the best QB I've ever watched play and if he made that play I'd say the exact same thing. Nice throw, the luckiest shit on earth to end up in that situation with a free play. Completely inexplicable.
Like I said before, 4th and 1? Yeah, if they jump it's trying to make a play - I'd be right there being like wow, great play to get the jump by Fields. but 4th and 13? Would be criminal to go for it there. If they'd snapped that ball without AH jumping and didn't get it you would be ranting about Getsy and what the fuck he was thinking until this very moment.
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How many times has Fields caused other teams to jump via his cadence? Is that the 1st time in 3 years?
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But like come on man. His cadence?
There was a 0% chance of snapping the ball. There's no way anyone who follows football even remotely closely saw them line up 4th and 13 at the 38 and thought "maybe they'll really go for it?"
Besides Aidan Hutchinson. Again, Daniel gives credit to how much they sold it. And Justin still delivered a perfect strike 35 yards downfield.
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How many times has Fields caused other teams to jump via his cadence? Is that the 1st time in 3 years?
I don’t think so. I can’t remember specfic instances, but I’ve seen people talk about his growth at the LOS in film review.
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Besides Aidan Hutchinson. Again, Daniel gives credit to how much they sold it. And Justin still delivered a perfect strike 35 yards downfield.
Yes, I've mentioned that the throw was perfectly fine multiple times. No issues with the throw whatsoever - but let's not sell it like it was some incredible top notch throw either. It was a very nice deep ball (definitely one of Fields' strengths as a passer, he has good arm strength) but I'd think most NFL QBs would've had a touchdown pass there with DJ Moore so open with no safety help.
And again, exactly right - besides Aidan Hutchinson.
It was a horrendous mistake in that situation. If Fields lost a game because the Bears defense did that on a 4th and 13 you'd be outraged - and zero chance you would agree with me if I said "well the QB had a great cadence and really sold it". That shit would be in your signature in 30 seconds flat.
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It was still a good job by the Bears to sell it and it had to be executed. I’m sure Aidan Hutchinson didn’t think they’d he snapping at one point too.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-trading-justin-fields-gms-explain-why-its-the-best-route-and-where-compensation-could-land-153257987.html
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https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-trading-justin-fields-gms-explain-why-its-the-best-route-and-where-compensation-could-land-153257987.html
Hmmm
(https://i.postimg.cc/rsMF2zVX/IMG-5917.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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No names on these GMs. Not surprising.
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I’m not giving up on that potential for a 3rd round pick. Draft another QB if you want, and have a competition.
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Hmmm
(https://i.postimg.cc/rsMF2zVX/IMG-5917.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
That really does not mean much given how bad the 1st 17 games were, does it?
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That really does not mean much given how bad the 1st 17 games were, does it?
Most predictable post in board history.
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Most predictable post in board history.
Yet, true.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-trading-justin-fields-gms-explain-why-its-the-best-route-and-where-compensation-could-land-153257987.html
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https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-trading-justin-fields-gms-explain-why-its-the-best-route-and-where-compensation-could-land-153257987.html
PAMan posted there here in this thread a few hours ago.
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PAMan posted there here in this thread a few hours ago.
That's ok. Lot of people probably breezed over your arguments with Spark and missed it.
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“Lots of people?”
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You mean Jobu (maybe)?
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You mean Jobu (maybe)?
And me…
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And me…
Well that was already settled.
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It's quiet.
Too quiet....
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It's quiet.
Too quiet....
Justin Fields sucks! I’m sure this will trigger Tempo to go berserk for the next 10 pages…
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Justin Fields sucks! I’m sure this will trigger Tempo to go berserk for the next 10 pages…
I heard a good caller on Mully and Haugh say that you should not get your QB until the rest of your team is in place. As the Bear only have a little roster work to do (from what I am told by the experts here), sounds like the time is now to draft a QB to break him in as the finishing touches are put in place.
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I heard a good caller on Mully and Haugh say that you should not get your QB until the rest of your team is in place. As the Bear only have a little roster work to do (from what I am told by the experts here), sounds like the time is now to draft a QB to break him in as the finishing touches are put in place.
I agree getting Williams and resetting the QB clock is the right move. You have tons of cap space and picks to build around him.
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I heard a good caller on Mully and Haugh say that you should not get your QB until the rest of your team is in place. As the Bear only have a little roster work to do (from what I am told by the experts here), sounds like the time is now to draft a QB to break him in as the finishing touches are put in place.
Sounds like you didn’t understand the caller’s point, either.
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Sounds like you didn’t understand the caller’s point, either.
I think Mully, who cut off the caller, and I did get the point. At least the point of what the caller was allowed to say before being cutoff.
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I agree getting Williams and resetting the QB clock is the right move. You have tons of cap space and picks to build around him.
I do not know if it is Williams, but Anybody But Fields is fine with me at this point.
They played a clip of the the Yahoo article guy. Said 2 more GMs contacted him after the article was published and agreed that no one is going to give the Bear a 1 for Fields.
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I do not know if it is Williams, but Anybody But Fields is fine with me at this point.
They played a clip of the the Yahoo article guy. Said 2 more GMs contacted him after the article was published and agreed that no one is going to give the Bear a 1 for Fields.
Yeah a 1 is lala land in my opinion. That just shows you what other GM’s actually think of him. He WAS a 1st round pick and has lost value. That’s on him. It’s funny those GM’s don’t take into count for how bad the players around him have been if they plan on using him with better players, but they don’t.
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I think Mully, who cut off the caller, and I did get the point. At least the point of what the caller was allowed to say before being cutoff.
No, he missed the point, then cut the excellent caller off.
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“Anyone but Fields.” Great strategy that any GM should employ.
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No one is going to give a 1 for Fields because he’s only cheap for one more year. If he was a 2nd year quarterback, you’d likely get more.
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Resetting the QB clock is nice, and obviously an attractive situation. It’s just not as vital for the Bears because they have a lot of young players who are cheap, along with a lot of draft capital and FA money. If they stick with Braxton Jones at LT you’re saving a big chunk of money there. Resetting the quarterback clock is attractive, but it shouldn’t be a primary driver in any decision IMO.
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Yeah a 1 is lala land in my opinion. That just shows you what other GM’s actually think of him. He WAS a 1st round pick and has lost value. That’s on him. It’s funny those GM’s don’t take into count for how bad the players around him have been if they plan on using him with better players, but they don’t.
He’s entering his 4th year. That damages his value in a trade. One reason I’d be ok drafting Williams and keeping Fields. If 3rd round is the price for Fields, you’d probably get that next year, too.
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He’s entering his 4th year. That damages his value in a trade. One reason I’d be ok drafting Williams and keeping Fields. If 3rd round is the price for Fields, you’d probably get that next year, too.
Well obviously other teams don’t wanna pay him money, so that should tell you what they think of him as a QB…
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You’d be hard-pressed to get a 1st for any first contract QB in his 4th year is the point. Short of someone who’s a definite top tier guy.
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Honestly no idea - is Chase Daniel an "expert"?
Like, he was a good college QB who played in the NFL mostly as a backup QB. I won't deny he obviously knows a whole lot more about quarterback play than I do. A lot of people do.
But that doesn't mean that he's right, or that I'm wrong. If it did, the "experts" would agree and they don't. You only post the opinions of the "experts" who agree with you.
I feel like if I was the exact same guy I am with the exact same lack of experience and I made a well-produced YouTube video analyzing a quarterback's play play-by-play, some people would call that an expert. I just don't know if I agree with that notion.
I'm curious - did you play organized football growing up? I didn't.
I played football through junior high and high school.
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I’m curious why we give Caleb Williams “a break” so to speak for not having “elite weapons” like tOSU has had, but we don’t give Justin the same break in the NFL. His supporting cast is clearly inferior to any of the “elite” quarterbacks. One you get last DJ they have a bunch of JAGs
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You’d be hard-pressed to get a 1st for any first contract QB in his 4th year is the point. Short of someone who’s a definite top tier guy.
You would if they were good enough…
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I’m curious why we give Caleb Williams “a break” so to speak for not having “elite weapons” like tOSU has had, but we don’t give Justin the same break in the NFL. His supporting cast is clearly inferior to any of the “elite” quarterbacks. One you get last DJ they have a bunch of JAGs
He doesn't get a break because it is year 3 and he is still making the same mistakes when guys are open.
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Biggs strikes again. He doesn’t even think it’s close…
https://x.com/670thescore/status/1735677994193031197?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Breal agrees 😂 iykyk
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You would if they were good enough…
You’re probably not trading them if they’re “good enough…”
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Biggs strikes again. He doesn’t even think it’s close…
https://x.com/670thescore/status/1735677994193031197?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Breal agrees 😂 iykyk
Like the first response says, the same Brad Biggs who thinks drafting MHJ is a bad idea because Darnell Mooney doesn’t get the ball enough.
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He doesn't get a break because it is year 3 and he is still making the same mistakes when guys are open.
It’s an area he needs to improve in, but every quarterback misses reads. Apparently Hurts misses a lot of them…
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You’re probably not trading them if they’re “good enough…”
Exactly. You just said it. They wouldn’t be having this discussion if he was. You have your answer.
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I know no one wants to hear this, but Fields also doesn’t have the supporting cast of a Herbert or a Hurts. Look at their lines and their weapons and tell me they are at all similar.
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Like the first response says, the same Brad Biggs who thinks drafting MHJ is a bad idea because Darnell Mooney doesn’t get the ball enough.
What good is a receiver if you have a QB who doesn’t get them the ball? 90% of Fields good games are to Moore because he’s always the first option/read. The others don’t get the ball thrown because he can’t progress to other receivers. Kmet occasionally is the first read or check down. Isn’t it weird how many other receivers on the Bears started to catch passes when Bagent played?! That’s not a coincidence. He went through his progressions and found the open guy.
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Ekeler, Allen, Williams, Slater > Moore, Herbert, Mooney, Kmet, Braxton Jones. And it’s not particularly close. Same for Hurts. Same for Tua et al.
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It’s an area he needs to improve in, but every quarterback misses reads. Apparently Hurts misses a lot of them…
There is missing reads, not making reads quickly enough, and not being able to read defenses. He wears the Golden Sombrero.
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What good is a receiver if you have a QB who doesn’t get them the ball? 90% of Fields good games are to Moore because he’s always the first option/read. The others don’t get the ball thrown because he can’t progress to other receivers. Kmet occasionally is the first read or check down. Isn’t it weird how many other receivers on the Bears started to catch passes when Bagent played?! That’s not a coincidence. He went through his progressions and found the open guy.
Yep.
Mahomes would take the Bear receivers in a heartbeat. They even line up onsides.
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There is missing reads, not making reads quickly enough, and not being able to read defenses. He wears the Golden Sombrero.
“Anybody but Fields,” amirite?!
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“Anybody but Fields,” amirite?!
I just made some compelling arguments above and justification why he’s not good enough if you care to respond.
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What good is a receiver if you have a QB who doesn’t get them the ball? 90% of Fields good games are to Moore because he’s always the first option/read. The others don’t get the ball thrown because he can’t progress to other receivers. Kmet occasionally is the first read or check down. Isn’t it weird how many other receivers on the Bears started to catch passes when Bagent played?! That’s not a coincidence. He went through his progressions and found the open guy.
He rarely threw it more than 3 yards and when he did he threw it to the other team.
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He rarely threw it more than 3 yards and when he did he threw it to the other team.
I know Fields did…
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Bagent averaged liked 190 yards per game throwing it like 34-35 times a game. No one here would be happy with that if Fields did that.
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I know Fields did…
You know he did what.
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Fields has thrown 1 interception in his last 5 games.
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You know he did what.
Never throws it more than 3 yards and when he does he throws it to the other team.
To his defense he could fumble it away too.
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Here’s Mooney’s stats with Bagent starting. I see one good game, zero touchdowns. Tell me again how Bagent made Mooney so much better.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pTd7cXJt/IMG-5924.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Look at DJs stats with Fields and without. Huge difference.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/fb0PdgCx/IMG-5925.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/d7wnP6z1)
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Bagent will never occupy a defender in the middle of the field like Fields does. Add a guy like MHJ (and or Bowers) to further exploit that and you are cooking with gas.
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Bagent will never occupy a defender in the middle of the field like Fields does. Add a guy like MHJ (and or Bowers) to further exploit that and you are cooking with gas.
They are going to draft another TE?
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They are going to draft another TE?
Do you understand modern football?
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Apparently fumbling isn’t only a JFC problem. Having said that, this “drill” is ridiculous.
https://x.com/celticsriley/status/1735774338391933429?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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https://x.com/es3_09/status/1735440408187195640?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Do you understand modern football?
I do. They have other needs.
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Do you understand modern football?
The bigger question is "Do you even watch football?" We know you do not watch college football. Starting to wonder about NFL.
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Apparently fumbling isn’t only a JFC problem. Having said that, this “drill” is ridiculous.
https://x.com/celticsriley/status/1735774338391933429?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Hopefully JFC's next team is watching whether that drill works for Hurts.
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https://x.com/es3_09/status/1735440408187195640?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
LOL..imagine what is being said internally about Fields. Mooney: "Hey Getzy, can you make that shithead throw the fucking ball to me when I am open?"
AJ Moore:: "Hey Getzy, can you make that shithead throw the fucking ball to me when I am open?"
St..Brown: "Hey Getsy, can I actually run routes instead of blocking for the QB?"
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Apparently fumbling isn’t only a JFC problem. Having said that, this “drill” is ridiculous.
https://x.com/celticsriley/status/1735774338391933429?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
This is fake. Unless you can find me a credible source, this is just “trust me bro” type of shit…
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https://x.com/es3_09/status/1735440408187195640?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
This is from a part-time parody account 😂 do you even check the stuff you post? Like you’re using a parody account to defend Fields now…
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This is from a part-time parody account 😂 do you even check the stuff you post? Like you’re using a parody account to defend Fields now…
He needs to focus on the Chicago media as The Score hosts are apparently reading the writing on the wall here.
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I do. They have other needs.
Explosive offensive playmakers are a need for the Bears.
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The bigger question is "Do you even watch football?" We know you do not watch college football. Starting to wonder about NFL.
It’s not my fault you asked a dumb question.
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LOL..imagine what is being said internally about Fields. Mooney: "Hey Getzy, can you make that shithead throw the fucking ball to me when I am open?"
AJ Moore:: "Hey Getzy, can you make that shithead throw the fucking ball to me when I am open?"
St..Brown: "Hey Getsy, can I actually run routes instead of blocking for the QB?"
Haha IMAGINE!
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Per the norm, you guys talking out your asses.
https://x.com/phleaglesnation/status/1735431359806452127?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Per the norm, you guys talking out your asses.
https://x.com/phleaglesnation/status/1735431359806452127?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
I said it was a good drill for Fields at his next team
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Explosive offensive playmakers are a need for the Bears.
Starting at QB...But need linemen and LB as well.
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It’s not my fault you asked a dumb question.
Avoiding answering the question, I see. Just like with Spark....
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It’s not my fault you asked a dumb question.
They don't need another TE that high in the draft.
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I said it was a good drill for Fields at his next team
You said I get my info from a parody site.
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Or maybe that was Judy.
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They don't need another TE that high in the draft.
Why not? He would help create lots of flexibility and mismatches for the Bears.
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You don’t want a Travis Kelce/Mark Andrews type talent?
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Avoiding answering the question, I see. Just like with Spark....
What question?
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Starting at QB...But need linemen and LB as well.
Unless you’re counting an EDGE as LB they are not spending a top 10 pick on a LB. What kind of LB are you looking for?
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LB I’d argue is not a big need for the Bears.
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WR, Center, maybe LT (although that is more of a luxury pick, not necessarily a giant need), 3 tech, and safety are the Bears’ biggest needs. Bowers would be a good addition because he doesn’t fit in any certain box. He’s a mismatch nightmare and an explosive player with with size. You could play him in 12 and 02 personnel with great effectiveness and also create mismatches with him in the slot.
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DE is more of a need than LB. The Bears have 3 solid LBs
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You said I get my info from a parody site.
That was Judge Judy. I hesitate to ask if you have been partaking early.
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Didn't they just pay Kmet? Yes, they have cap room, but how much you going to spend on TEs? Also, isn't Jaylon Johnson in line to get his money?
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WR, Center, maybe LT (although that is more of a luxury pick, not necessarily a giant need), 3 tech, and safety are the Bears’ biggest needs. Bowers would be a good addition because he doesn’t fit in any certain box. He’s a mismatch nightmare and an explosive player with with size. You could play him in 12 and 02 personnel with great effectiveness and also create mismatches with him in the slot.
As Brad Biggs has noted, unless you have a QB willing to throw the ball, this is all meaningless.
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In sum, the Bear have bigger needs than TE.
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That was Judge Judy. I hesitate to ask if you have been partaking early.
That was corrected in the next post. Carry on.
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In sum, the Bear have bigger needs than TE.
They don’t have bigger needs than “explosive playmaker who creates mismatches.” Carry on.
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They don’t have bigger needs than “explosive playmaker who creates mismatches.” Carry on.
I love how you treat the draft as if NFL was a Madden game.
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Your problem is you’re viewing him as Cole Kmet’s backup or replacement. They would be used completely differently and be on the field at the same time a lot.
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I love how you treat the draft as if NFL was a Madden game.
Hilarious.
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The NFL is a mismatch game. He is an explosive player who will create mismatches. That’s why he’s projected to go top 10 as a “TE.”
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Your problem is you’re viewing him as Cole Kmet’s backup or replacement. They would be used completely differently and be on the field at the same time a lot.
No, I'm not. I get that you want to run a 2-TE offense like the Pat's had with Gronk and Killer. The problem is they still have big needs on both sides of the ball, including at QB.
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You don’t understand the modern game.
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I’ll bet you were shocked Kofi wasn’t the top pick in the NBA draft.
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WR, Center, maybe LT (although that is more of a luxury pick, not necessarily a giant need), 3 tech, and safety are the Bears’ biggest needs. Bowers would be a good addition because he doesn’t fit in any certain box. He’s a mismatch nightmare and an explosive player with with size. You could play him in 12 and 02 personnel with great effectiveness and also create mismatches with him in the slot.
Who did you steal this from?
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Still living in the 90s.
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Who did you steal this from?
Fuck off.
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You don’t understand the modern game.
LOL. You don't even watch football
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Lol
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Who did you steal this from?
Have to admit I wondered this as well.
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Still living in the 90s.
Says the guy who wants to run the old Pats offense.
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LOL. You don't even watch football
I watch a lot of NFL. Is that not football?
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I’ll bet you were shocked Kofi wasn’t the top pick in the NBA draft.
Can't say I watch NBA much, but it is a 3 point shooting game now, isn't it?
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Says the guy who wants to run the old Pats offense.
Says the guy who doesn’t understand modern football and that the NFL is all about mismatches. Much like basketball.
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I watch a lot of NFL. Is that not football?
I think you are making that up.
You had no clue SF was missing its LT during its losing streak. That was a major Red Flag.
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Have to admit I wondered this as well.
You can cut/paste and Google.
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I think you are making that up.
You had no clue SF was missing its LT during its losing streak. That was a major Red Flag.
🧌
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Says the guy who doesn’t understand modern football and that the NFL is all about mismatches. Much like basketball.
When you can block...
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🧌y
Don't give us that BS....you got exposed on that.
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When you can block...
They can’t sign a FA to do that? Or draft someone in a later round?
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You’re not getting a Brock Bowers in FA.
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They can’t sign a FA to do that? Or draft someone in a later round?
You promised that last year....
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You’re not getting a Brock Bowers in FA.
They have a TE. Need a QB to get people the ball, like Brad Biggs said. And blockers and tacklers.
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You promised that last year....
They signed Nate Davis. He’s been decent, when he’s on the field. They chose not to overspend at tackle. They effed up by not signing or drafting a Center, but Centers don’t go top 10.
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And they drafted a RT. Who is going to be the guy there for the next 4 years at least mostly likely. Who besides Patrick are you looking to bench?
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They have a TE. Need a QB to get people the ball, like Brad Biggs said. And blockers and tacklers.
Derp.
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Everyone said Cincinnati needed a LT. They drafted Ja’Marr Chase instead and went to the SB.
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Would I like a premier LT? Sure. But it’s not a bigger need for the Bears than offensive playmakers.
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Derp.
Well, they are going to need OL who can actually play in games...
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Everyone said Cincinnati needed a LT. They drafted Ja’Marr Chase instead and went to the SB.
They have an exceptional QB...the Bear do not.
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Would I like a premier LT? Sure. But it’s not a bigger need for the Bears than offensive playmakers.
The OL is an issue
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Braxton Jones looks fine. Probably will never be elite, but he can be every bit of what Charles Leno was which was very serviceable and cheap at an expensive position.
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How soon you forget how you just were bitching and moaning about the OL play against the blitzing Viking....
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The OL is an issue
Primarily at Center. LG, RG, RT are set. LT is fine, not elite. This is still a young group that should get better. You’ve got a rookie RT, 2nd year LT, and still young LG that should get better individually and better as a unit with more playing time together. This OL has not logged a lot of snaps as a full unit yet. It will get better. Need a quality Center.
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How soon you forget how you just were bitching and moaning about the OL play against the blitzing Viking....
It’s a young unit that hasn’t logged much time together. I’m PROJECTING the future. That’s part of what a GM would do when evaluating the draft…
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How soon you forget how you just were bitching and moaning about the OL play against the blitzing Viking....
Again, who besides Patrick are you dying to bench?
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A good Center who knows how to direct a line would have helped against Minnesota. Was that the game we had the center who couldn’t snap the ball?
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Again, who besides Patrick are you dying to bench?
Maybe the guy who does not show up to work every week.
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A good Center who knows how to direct a line would have helped against Minnesota. Was that the game we had the center who couldn’t snap the ball?
Not the last one where you included the line in your complaints about the offense.
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Maybe the guy who does not show up to work every week.
Davis? He’s not getting benched. And they aren’t drafting a guard at 8 (or thereabouts).
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Not the last one where you included the line in your complaints about the offense.
The line isn’t perfect. But it’s still inexperienced as a unit. Add a quality center and then line should be pretty solid next year.
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Sounds like PAMan is just throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. No specifics about what to draft. LB (lol), OL.
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I guess he doesn’t watch football.
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Sounds like PAMan is just throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. No specifics about what to draft. LB (lol), OL.
You think Sanborn is going to continue being serviceable? Edwards? Edmunds? C'mon...
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Hey PAMan, can you explain the “LB” comment? What are you looking for there and who is your new LB playing in front of?
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I guess he doesn’t watch football.
I watch plenty. Definitely knew who was out for the 49er during the losing streak....
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You think Sanborn is going to continue being serviceable? Edwards? Edmunds? C'mon...
Even better (terrible) answer than I could have hoped for. Edmunds isn’t getting benched. Last I checked Edwards was leading the NFL in tackles and has takeaways. Sanborn is serviceable and doesn’t even need to be on the field most passing downs. You think starting LB is a big need for the Bears? Lolololololol
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Even better (terrible) answer than I could have hoped for. Edmunds isn’t getting benched. Last I checked Edwards was leading the NFL in tackles and has takeaways. Sanborn is serviceable and doesn’t even need to be on the field most passing downs. You think starting LB is a big need for the Bears? Lolololololol
I love how you think these guys are not going to get worse or wear down as they get older. Again, you think this is a video game.
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I love how you think these guys are not going to get worse or wear down as they get older. Again, you think this is a video game.
You’ve got to be trolling. Have to be.
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The average age of the three is 25. Hilarious stuff from the PAMan.
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Tough to respect your opinion when you do not watch football and cut and paste stuff you find off The Twitter.
I mean you didn't even know what was going on with the 49er except Samuels was out. LOL
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The average age of the three is 25. Hilarious stuff from the PAMan.
It is so cute you think they will continue to play the same or they do not need playmakers at LB.
It is not a video game dude
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PAMan doesn’t want to draft Brock Bowers because the LBs will age out one day. Pure Gold.
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🧌
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Who did you steal this from?
If you actually gave a flying fuck about decorum here, you’d respond with a football comment, not a hit and run insult. Who you cappin’?
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PAMan doesn’t want to draft Brock Bowers because the LBs will age out one day. Pure Gold.
And they need OL and DL....
Did you know they 49er is missing 3 guys, at least, tomorrow?
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And they need OL and DL....
Did you know they 49er is missing 3 guys, at least, tomorrow?
You haven’t answered the question. Who besides Patrick are you dying to replace? Give me a name or a position.
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DL is always a need. There are no 3 techs worth taking top 10. You wouldn’t hear me complain if the Bears took a DE with that 2nd first round pick.
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You haven’t answered the question. Who besides Patrick are you dying to replace? Give me a name or a position.
I already did.
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If you actually gave a flying fuck about decorum here, you’d respond with a football comment, not a hit and run insult. Who you cappin’?
I was genuinely curious about who you stole that from. And I’ve been busy today. I don’t always have time to hang out on here and talk to your dumb ass. And I’m pretty much done talking football with you because it isn’t fun at all.
It wasn’t an insult. Who did you steal that from?
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Jobu: Plagiarism Detective.
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Lol
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I was genuinely curious about who you stole that from. And I’ve been busy today. I don’t always have time to hang out on here and talk to your dumb ass. And I’m pretty much done talking football with you because it isn’t fun at all.
It wasn’t an insult. Who did you steal that from?
Fuck yourself, genuinely.
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Jobu: Plagiarism Detective.
The Google mission failed?
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Yeah, I couldn’t possibly know that a 6’4 240 athletic freak could be good for mismatches on linebackers and safeties without someone telling me that.
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As if Travis Kelce and Mark Andrews don’t exist.
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Lol
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It was the “12 personnel” that gave it away
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It was the “12 personnel” that gave it away
Two TE personnel? I hear that term literally every fucking week. The personnel chart isn’t a hard memorization. It’s quite fucking simple, actually.
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Since 2010: Minefield ahead. Tread carefully.
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Need to start running Tempo's posts through the plagiarism detector software like schools do....
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The Bills “have a TE” in Dawson Knox that they signed to a 52 million dollar deal last year, but they drafted a TE in the first round this year.
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The Bills “have a TE” in Dawson Knox that they signed to a 52 million dollar deal last year, but they drafted a TE in the first round this year.
Dumb. They should have drafted defense.
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Dumb. They should have drafted defense.
Can’t predict you’re going to lose your three best defensive players.
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166 yards on 40 attempts is Nathan Peterman levels of garbage. This guy ain't no franchise QB.
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Miles just dumping a truck load of salt into Tempo's gaping wound....
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166 yards on 40 attempts is Nathan Peterman levels of garbage. This guy ain't no franchise QB.
Very Bagent”ish.” He ain’t gonna like that either.
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Very Bagent”ish.” He ain’t gonna like that either.
That 3 yard TD March was awesome though.
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I did it perfectly. Watched the entire Illini victory, turned to the Bears in the 3rd quarter and promptly fell asleep. Woke up for the start of the Dallas-Buffalo tilt.
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I did it perfectly. Watched the entire Illini victory, turned to the Bears in the 3rd quarter and promptly fell asleep. Woke up for the start of the Dallas-Buffalo tilt.
Well done. That’s why you’re the leader of this board…
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Well done. That’s why you’re the leader of this board…
If anyone would like any tips on living the low stress good life just let me know
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If anyone would like any tips on living the low stress good life just let me know
I am disappointed in you though for not watching the Illini women’s basketball game on right now on BTN…
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You’ve got to be trolling. Have to be.
LBs looked great on those last 2 series, didn't they?
Jack Sanborn was all over the field today.
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Primarily at Center. LG, RG, RT are set. LT is fine, not elite. This is still a young group that should get better. You’ve got a rookie RT, 2nd year LT, and still young LG that should get better individually and better as a unit with more playing time together. This OL has not logged a lot of snaps as a full unit yet. It will get better. Need a quality Center.
Let me know when they start getting better. Today was not it. Now Jenkins has a concussion...
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Hey guys, so after much text discussion PAMan and I have figured out how to fix the Bears. First off, launch Fields (obvi)! Then we need to fire Eberlose. After that we fire Getsy. Then we fire Ryan Poles. After that we draft over most if not all of the offensive line.
Then we probably need to trade Montez Sweat for a player who refuses to come out of the game in the 4th quarter (not on field for 51 yard pass play? WTF). Need to shore up the Dline, then replace our linebackers as they start to age out. Basically, we’re shitcanning everyone but Kevin Warren and the punter. Let’s fire the McCaskeys while we’re at it. Voila, the Bears are fixed. Whatchoo guys say?
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Oh, almost forgot that we have to draft a quarterback #1 (not sure who though).
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Sounds like a rebuild of the rebuild. We will need even more patience for 3 to 5 years.
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Hey guys, so after much text discussion PAMan and I have figured out how to fix the Bears. First off, launch Fields (obvi)! Then we need to fire Eberlose. After that we fire Getsy. Then we fire Ryan Poles. After that we draft over most if not all of the offensive line.
Then we probably need to trade Montez Sweat for a player who refuses to come out of the game in the 4th quarter (not on field for 51 yard pass play? WTF). Need to shore up the Dline, then replace our linebackers as they start to age out. Basically, we’re shitcanning everyone but Kevin Warren and the punter. Let’s fire the McCaskeys while we’re at it. Voila, the Bears are fixed. Whatchoo guys say?
Sounds about right
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Sounds like a rebuild of the rebuild. We will need even more patience for 3 to 5 years.
Nope. The best part is. We win IMMEDIATELY! Only the best rebuilds for us!
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Hysterical.
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Man is someone butthurt about being wrong about Fields. The butchering of the texts is the most Tempo Butthurt Thing ever
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Hysterical.
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Hey Rashard, you racist motherfucker…
https://x.com/juicegawdinpriv/status/1736276413949346084?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Who do you think would win?
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Justin’s fault.
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Justin’s fault.
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Absolutely nobody here is saying that or any of the other shit you’re melting down about today. It’s that Fields has just not good enough in his career. Plain and simple.
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Absolutely nobody here is saying that or any of the other shit you’re melting down about today. It’s that Fields has just not good enough in his career. Plain and simple.
Who besides DJ Moore has been “good enough” (for 10 games) on the Bears the last three years? Including the offensive coaching staff?
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Who besides DJ Moore has been “good enough” (for 10 games) on the Bears the last three years? Including the offensive coaching staff?
Montgomery?
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Who besides DJ Moore has been “good enough” (for 10 games) on the Bears the last three years? Including the offensive coaching staff?
Well you see, that’s what we’re trying to fix. Unfortunately, Justin has been one of those that hasn’t. The others were let go and gone, appears he might be as well…
Why are you not pawning for those other players?! Mooney is gonna look really good with the Chiefs…
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Who besides DJ Moore has been “good enough” (for 10 games) on the Bears the last three years? Including the offensive coaching staff?
Not Fields. We know that.
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Who besides DJ Moore has been “good enough” (for 10 games) on the Bears the last three years? Including the offensive coaching staff?
E. St. Brown is a great blocker.
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Montgomery?
I’ll give you that one. So good they let him walk, though. Ok. So one RB. Hang a banner? Why is the offense not elite?
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E. St. Brown is a great blocker.
It’s funny that you think this is an pwn.
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Not Fields. We know that.
Hard hitting quality analysis.
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Well you see, that’s what we’re trying to fix. Unfortunately, Justin has been one of those that hasn’t. The others were let go and gone, appears he might be as well…
Why are you not pawning for those other players?! Mooney is gonna look really good with the Chiefs…
Gold. Especially the last sentence.
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Gold. Especially the last sentence.
No substantial reply. Troll away! Like these meltdowns are epic…
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It’s funny that you think this is an pwn.
I was the one who took issue with extending him, if you recall. You said he was a good blocker. Given your meltdown, it appears you agree that was another Poles Mistake.
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But the Browns defense was a shell of itself.
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But the Browns defense was a shell of itself.
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The other 25 he apparently did not do much against the 3rd string safeties.
Good thing the Bear only need a C on that stellar OL! LOL. Don't you get tired of being so wrong in your Bear analysis?
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I was the one who took issue with extending him, if you recall. You said he was a good blocker. Given your meltdown, it appears you agree that was another Poles Mistake.
He was brought in to be their 4th or 5th WR (at most). No team in the league that I’m aware of has difference making 5th WRs. He’s a rosterable guy on a one year deal. You can’t fix the entire roster in one offseason. So we should have prioritized getting a better WR5?
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He was brought in to be their 4th or 5th WR. No team in the league that I’m aware of has difference making 5th WRs. He’s a rosterable guy on a one year deal. You can’t fix the entire roster in one offseason. So we should have prioritized getting a better WR5?
Shouldn't Mooney be WR4 or 5?
How about spending the money in the trenches? It appears to really be a problem. Especially when your $98M Man is too tired to play DL during clutch situations.
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How about spending the money in the trenches? It appears to really be a problem. Especially when your $98M Man is too tired to play DL during clutch situations.
Lololololololololol
He makes 1.25 million a year on a one year deal. What kind of serious upgrade in the trenches are you getting for that? If you didn’t exist, I’d have to make you up. Hysterical.
Can’t draft Brock Bowers because we need to replace Nate Davis. And our 25 year old LBs are aging out.
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PAMan has to be the only person in Chicago today bashing Montez Sweat. What a reasonable guy he is.
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Lololololololololol
He makes 1.25 million a year on a one year deal. What kind of serious upgrade in the trenches are you getting for that? If you don’t exist, I’d have to make you up. Hysterical.
Can’t draft Brock Bowers because we need to replace Nate Davis. And our 25 year old LBs are aging out.
Well, the LBs are obviously not as good as you think they are given all the 4th quarter blown double digit leads.
Your tears must be particularly salty.
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PAMan has to be the only person in Chicago today bashing Montez Sweat. What a reasonable guy he is.
Guy seems to need a lot of breaks during crucial parts of the game....
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Shouldn't Mooney be WR4 or 5?
How about spending the money in the trenches? It appears to really be a problem. Especially when your $98M Man is too tired to play DL during clutch situations.
It’s been one offseason! Why hasn’t the roster been COMPLETELY rebuilt? I’ve been scammed on my REBUILD!
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It’s been one offseason! Why hasn’t the roster been COMPLETELY rebuilt? I’ve been scammed on my REBUILD!
You keep repeating your mantra about salary cap and draft capital and not much seems to have come from it last offseason.
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Well, the LBs are obviously not as good as you think they are given all the 4th quarter blown double digit leads.
Your tears must be particularly salty.
I thought those blown leads were Justin’s fault and Justin’s only. You argue like projectile vomit.
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PAMan, inventor of the projectile vomiting debate method.
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Are we sure JF1 doesn’t call the plays?
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The principles of the Projectile Vomiting Debate Method:
1) Just say anything. But say it with conviction.
2) Repeat your favorite talking points over and over.
3) Don’t be afraid to change the narrative.
4) Don’t be afraid to use the laziness of others to your advantage. Most people won’t want to spend time calling you out for being a ridiculous flip-flopper (The George Bush/Mitt Romney rule).
5) Be relentless. Vomit takes relentlessly. Very few will hit, but no one remembers your misses.
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The principles of the Projectile Vomiting Debate Method:
1) Just say anything. But say it with conviction.
2) Repeat your favorite talking points over and over.
3) Don’t be afraid to change the narrative.
4) Don’t be afraid to use the laziness of others to your advantage. Most people won’t want to spend time calling you out for being a ridiculous flip-flopper (The George Bush/Mitt Romney rule).
5) Be relentless. Vomit takes relentlessly. Very few will hit, but no one remembers your misses.
It’s unreal that you could take the time to type this all out and not even see how perfectly it describes how you “debate” here.
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I’d add a number 6 though.
If someone is arguing something you can’t logically counter, simply make up what you wish they said and argue that instead. For example if people criticize Fields’ play, make 20 posts in the next day acting like they are saying the play calling is also his fault. If they try to clarify, ignore them.
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I thought those blown leads were Justin’s fault and Justin’s only. You argue like projectile vomit.
I said the Denver game was definitely his fault. He was responsible yesterday for his role in being unable to sustain drives. As I said at the time, Eberlose having a DL cover the TE was not ideal....
Again, you want to make stuff up. Fields sucks. The D sucks. As I warned you before, the wins were Fool's Gold. THE PAMan was right and you were WRONG.
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It’s unreal that you could take the time to type this all out and not even see how perfectly it describes how you “debate” here.
It’s unreal how your debate style mirrors mine exactly. I just provide more snark.
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It’s unreal that you could take the time to type this all out and not even see how perfectly it describes how you “debate” here.
Thought the same thing.
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I’d add a number 6 though.
If someone is arguing something you can’t logically counter, simply make up what you wish they said and argue that instead. For example if people criticize Fields’ play, make 20 posts in the next day acting like they are saying the play calling is also his fault. If they try to clarify, ignore them.
All too true.
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I’d add a number 6 though.
If someone is arguing something you can’t logically counter, simply make up what you wish they said and argue that instead. For example if people criticize Fields’ play, make 20 posts in the next day acting like they are saying the play calling is also his fault. If they try to clarify, ignore them.
So when do we get around to blaming others who are clearly not getting the job done? 97% of your posts are about Fields isn’t good enough. Did you even mention the piss poor blocking and run game? I know you’ve called out the bad play-calling and coaching (but should be easy to overcome, amirite?!). You’ve barely acknowledged the drops (but made sure to harp on the dropped INTs). Hell, you just credited Darnell Mooney for “A hell of a play just to be in position to make a play” on a ball that was almost resting atop his forearms.
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It’s unreal how your debate style mirrors mine exactly. I just provide more snark.
Pretty iffy self-awareness here if you think we debate similarly. We don't.
I'm not sure I've ever met someone so willing to shift his "logic" to cater to whatever argument he's trying to make in any given moment in the way you do. One minute stats don't mean shit, and then the next you find a stat that confirms your bias and "the stats are the stats". One minute "credible opinions" are meaningful, and in the next you're "more credible" re: the Bears' decision making than the Bears' beat writer. One minute you rant about how people criticizing Fields 'demand perfection', the next you're acting like Fields could never be even average at QB because his WRs weren't perfect and dropped balls. One minute it's idiotic to consider spending a high pick to shore up the OL except for center, and in the next minute the OL is so bad that you can't blame Fields for his play and the Bears should've run behind their center on key plays.
I obviously could go on - you flip flop as to "what counts" so consistently you don't even remember most of the time what thing you're trying to argue. When I try to meet you there and say "okay, we can count the drops if we also count the INT drops", you rant about how unfair that is and how NOBODY ELSE THROWS DROPPED PICKS.
Literally, you do the things you mentioned there worse than anyone I've ever talked sports with, ever.
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So when do we get around to blaming others who are clearly not getting the job done? 97% of your posts are about Fields isn’t good enough. Did you even mention the piss poor blocking and run game? I know you’ve called out the bad play-calling and coaching (but should be easy to overcome, amirite?!). You’ve barely acknowledged the drops (but made sure to harp on the dropped INTs). Hell, you just credited Darnell Mooney for “A hell of a play just to be in position to make a play” on a ball that was almost resting atop his forearms.
This is THE JFC Thread. Ergo, the talk about JFC. Maybe you can start a The Nate Davis Thread where we can focus on ripping him?
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It is as if Eberlose already handed Tempo a lump of coal for Christmas.
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So when do we get around to blaming others who are clearly not getting the job done? 97% of your posts are about Fields isn’t good enough. Did you even mention the piss poor blocking and run game? I know you’ve called out the bad play-calling and coaching (but should be easy to overcome, amirite?!). You’ve barely acknowledged the drops (but made sure to harp on the dropped INTs). Hell, you just credited Darnell Mooney for “A hell of a play just to be in position to make a play” on a ball that was almost resting atop his forearms.
Well, the very first thing I said about the game was "the play calling was terrible".
My posts are mostly about Fields because I also said "and the QB play was mediocre as fuck", and you simply cannot accept any criticism of Fields so you turn it into a dozen page argument. If you could just acknowledge when Fields plays poorly, we wouldn't have to argue about it and fewer of my posts would be about it.
If you were here arguing "actually the play calling was good and the players are just terrible," most of my posts would be about that because that's just as dumb.
You don't care though. That I criticized the play calling more forcefully and first isn't material to you. I also criticized Fields' play and you simply will not allow that to happen without trotting out half a dozen excuses, posting a bunch of nonsense as if I'm blaming him for the playcalling or the play of others, twisting my opinion to say something you CAN argue and arguing against that instead.
I think most people watching the game yesterday would not find "Fields was mediocre as fuck" to be a particularly controversial statement, but you simply will not allow that. The closest thing you've offered to criticism of his play is to say "he wasn't perfect - he wasn't even Hall of Fame level."
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Maybe you should make an The Wonderful Eberlose Culture Thread?
Man, is that Belichick Culture quote still magical. How fucking stupid does that take look now?
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So when do we get around to blaming others who are clearly not getting the job done? 97% of your posts are about Fields isn’t good enough. Did you even mention the piss poor blocking and run game? I know you’ve called out the bad play-calling and coaching (but should be easy to overcome, amirite?!). You’ve barely acknowledged the drops (but made sure to harp on the dropped INTs). Hell, you just credited Darnell Mooney for “A hell of a play just to be in position to make a play” on a ball that was almost resting atop his forearms.
Anyone who watches the video of that Mooney play and thinks it was even remotely an easy catch is being an absolute moron, surely you see that.
I've acknowledged the drops, I don't know, a dozen times or so? You simply don't care. You ignore those and try to bite my ankles, as always. It's all a 'gotcha' game to you.
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Yes, you said the play-calling was terrible. And then are miffed it wasn’t overcome. Despite the bad blocking, lack of run game, and crucial drops. You’re just as dug in as PAMan these days. I get the legitimate criticisms of Fields and why you might want to move on. I’m just sick of everyone here blaming him for everything when it’s clearly not ALL him. You acknowledge the bad play-calling then rail on Fields for 8 pages.
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Yes, you said the play-calling was terrible. And then are miffed it wasn’t overcome. Despite the bad blocking, lack of run game, and crucial drops. You’re just as dug in as PAMan these days. I get the legitimate criticisms of Fields and why you might want to move on. I’m just sick of everyone here blaming him for everything when it’s clearly not ALL him. You acknowledge the bad play-calling then rail on Fields for 8 pages.
Well, Fields can't read defenses and does not make progressions fast enough. Other than that, he is ok.
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I probably make that catch in high school. I never dropped a kick or a punt (similar catch with a little higher degree of difficulty) you could ask my high school JV coach, but he’s dead.
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Well, Fields can't read defenses and does not make progressions fast enough. Other than that, he is ok.
Why do you keep bringing up Jalen Hurts?
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Yes, you said the play-calling was terrible. And then are miffed it wasn’t overcome. Despite the bad blocking, lack of run game, and crucial drops. You’re just as dug in as PAMan these days. I get the legitimate criticisms of Fields and why you might want to move on. I’m just sick of everyone here blaming him for everything when it’s clearly not ALL him. You acknowledge the bad play-calling then rail on Fields for 8 pages.
I don’t think bad play calling is an excuse for poor play from other guys. I don’t think it’s an excuse for Fields’ play or Tonyan’s play. I think Getsy controls the play calling, and Fields controls his play, and Tonyan’s controls his play and they all deserve credit and blame for those individual things they each control.
You are the one that insists that one of those three guys simply cannot be held accountable for his own performance because of the performance of the other two. Not me.
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Why do you keep bringing up Jalen Hurts?
Are you actually TRYING to come off like a middle schooler now? I don’t get it. Be a fuckin grown up man.
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I probably make that catch in high school. I never dropped a kick or a punt (similar catch with a little higher degree of difficulty) you could ask my high school JV coach, but he’s dead.
You make that catch in high school the same way you’re more credible than the Bears beat writer.
Which is to say, in your ridiculous fantasies and nowhere else.
Even being willing to put your name on the notion that it was similar to catching an untipped punt while standing balanced is absolutely fucking embarrassing shit.
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Well, the very first thing I said about the game was "the play calling was terrible".
My posts are mostly about Fields because I also said "and the QB play was mediocre as fuck", and you simply cannot accept any criticism of Fields so you turn it into a dozen page argument. If you could just acknowledge when Fields plays poorly, we wouldn't have to argue about it and fewer of my posts would be about it.
If you were here arguing "actually the play calling was good and the players are just terrible," most of my posts would be about that because that's just as dumb.
You don't care though. That I criticized the play calling more forcefully and first isn't material to you. I also criticized Fields' play and you simply will not allow that to happen without trotting out half a dozen excuses, posting a bunch of nonsense as if I'm blaming him for the playcalling or the play of others, twisting my opinion to say something you CAN argue and arguing against that instead.
I think most people watching the game yesterday would not find "Fields was mediocre as fuck" to be a particularly controversial statement, but you simply will not allow that. The closest thing you've offered to criticism of his play is to say "he wasn't perfect - he wasn't even Hall of Fame level."
I simply want people to spread the blame appropriately instead of creative narratives about how a still young quarterback in a really tough situation is supposed to overcome all of the craptastic shit around him. Nothing outside of DJ Moore and David Montgomery has been even remotely consistently acceptable for a very long time. Pre-Justin as well.
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You make that catch in high school the same way you’re more credible than the Bears beat writer.
Which is to say, in your ridiculous fantasies and nowhere else.
Even being willing to put your name on the notion that it was similar to catching an untipped punt while standing balanced is absolutely fucking embarrassing shit.
I had excellent hands. And good concentration. Not as good as Steve Bennett’s but good.
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Dude the degree of difficulty was a lot closer to 7 than 10. “Amazing just to have a chance!”
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I simply want people to spread the blame appropriately instead of creative narratives about how a still young quarterback in a really tough situation is supposed to overcome all of the craptastic shit around him. Nothing outside of DJ Moore and David Montgomery has been even remotely consistently acceptable for a very long time. Pre-Justin as well.
I HAVE spread the blame around. In fact, the very first place I put the blame was on the Playcalling. You simply do not accept it because I also apportion blame for Fields’ play to Fields and not everyone else. You steadfastly refuse to accept someone offering criticism of Fields ever in any circumstance. Weber First Fan type nonsense.
I’d like to see you occasionally actually criticize a game he played without it being laughable “he didn’t play at a Hall of Fame level” shit, but it seems that’s off the table.
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Dude the degree of difficulty was a lot closer to 7 than 10. “Amazing just to have a chance!”
I didn’t say it was a 10. I said he made a hell of a play to even be in that position, which any reasonable person watching the video can see. Yeah, it was on his lap and he bobbled it. It was on his lap because he made a great play falling backwards off a tip to almost catch it. Again, not controversial with any human being anywhere except a Fields apologist.
You are trying to blame everyone else for Fields’ play though, so you have to pretend instead of just telling the truth.
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I had excellent hands. And good concentration. Not as good as Steve Bennett’s but good.
If you think you’d have made that play you’re absolutely kidding yourself
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I HAVE spread the blame around. In fact, the very first place I put the blame was on the Playcalling. You simply do not accept it because I also apportion blame for Fields’ play to Fields and not everyone else. You steadfastly refuse to accept someone offering criticism of Fields ever in any circumstance. Weber First Fan type nonsense.
I’d like to see you occasionally actually criticize a game he played without it being laughable “he didn’t play at a Hall of Fame level” shit, but it seems that’s off the table.
You’ve blamed others in the same fashion PAMan has. You blame others then spend 10 pages railing on Fields and how the problem is the QB.
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If you think you’d have made that play you’re absolutely kidding yourself
It was not an overly difficult play. Especially when he had it 80% corralled. Mooney probably makes that catch more often than not. It certainly wasn’t “Amazing just to be in position.”
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I’ve literally made catches like that. So yeah, I think I could have made that catch. Since I’ve caught catches in similar fashion.
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Spark, didn’t you say you’d never played organized football?
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A million times I’ve said Fields needs to play better more often. He also gets shit for support. Absolute shit most of the time outside of DJ Moore.
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You’ve blamed others in the same fashion PAMan has. You blame others then spend 10 pages railing on Fields and how the problem is the QB.
The VERY FIRST BIT OF BLAME I APPORTIONED was to Luke Getsy's playcalling. That wasn't, like, an accident.
I argue with you about Fields because you literally refuse to acknowledge that anything he does is his fault ever - that's it, that's the entire reason we argue about Fields. It's not because I think Fields was the biggest problem. If I did, I'd have said that but I pretty notably did not. Instead, my first and most forceful criticism was of the playcalling. But I ALSO acknowledged the truth - that Fields was mediocre yesterday - and you simply cannot allow the truth to be acknowledged if it makes Fields look bad, so we argue about it for 10 pages with you hammering guys for not making great plays on tipped Hail Marys, demanding that we count a drop as an 80 yard touchdown (but refusing to see that to do that and have it be fair you'd also have to count the dropped INTs), etc.
If you'd just said "yep, the playcalling was terrible and the QB play was mediocre," something that literally is not a controversy with any NFL fan EXCEPT a "Fields cannot be criticized" type, we wouldn't have argued about Fields for even one post, let alone since the game ended. But you can't do that. You can't acknowledge that Fields was mediocre yesterday, it has to be everyone else's fault, 100% of the time. And that's self-evidently absurd, which is why we argue about Fields.
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I’ve literally made catches like that. So yeah, I think I could have made that catch. Since I’ve caught catches in similar fashion.
No, you haven't, and that you're willing to come here and say shit like this is why everyone makes fun of you so often.
I am 100% certain if you were in Darnell Mooney's position on that play, it simply hits the turf incomplete before it ever lands on your forearms. Not only wouldn't you have caught it, you wouldn't even have been in a position to be criticized for not catching it.
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Yes. The very first. Then the next 10 pages were about how Justin is the problem because he can’t overcome all of the ineptness around him.
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It was not an overly difficult play. Especially when he had it 80% corralled. Mooney probably makes that catch more often than not. It certainly wasn’t “Amazing just to be in position.”
To even be in a position where it is "80% corralled" took a damn difficult play. If he hadn't reached out one handed falling backwards on a tipped ball, it never even lands on his body.
Anyone criticizing a guy (ANY guy, Calvin Johnson or Jerry Rice or Moss or whoever included) for not catching that ball is a complete and utter moron.
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No, you haven't, and that you're willing to come here and say shit like this is why everyone makes fun of you so often.
I am 100% certain if you were in Darnell Mooney's position on that play, it simply hits the turf incomplete before it ever lands on your forearms. Not only wouldn't you have caught it, you wouldn't even have been in a position to be criticized for not catching it.
In a real game? No. You could play football 10 years and maybe be in that situation once. In practice and pick up games? Sure, I’ve made catches of similar difficulty. Athletically, that catch was a 7 in difficulty.
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“Amazing” just to be in position!
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Yes. The very first. Then the next 10 pages were about how Justin is the problem because he can’t overcome all of the ineptness around him.
Correct. When I pointed out that Fields was mediocre, you argued with me about it for 10 pages about how it wasn't actually his fault, but it was everyone else's fault. Which, coincidentally, you do after literally every single game.
You can blame that on me if you'd like; if you simply acknowledged valid criticisms of Fields instead of trying to shamelessly deflect 100% of them, it wouldn't have happened. I didn't say anything even remotely controversial except to someone more dug in on Justin Fields than an objective, shared reality.
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In a real game? No. You could play football 10 years and maybe be in that situation once. In practice and pick up games? Sure, I’ve made catches of similar difficulty. Athletically, that catch was a 7 in difficulty.
So dumb, it's literally not worth addressing.
If you think you would've made the catch you're a complete idiot and I've been giving you way too much credit all these years.
I don't think you really believe that though, you're just willing to say shit you know is nonsense rather than admit that the guy you've been so dug in on for a year+ now hasn't been very good.
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Fields doesn’t sniff the top 5 reasons they lost. He wasn’t “great,” but he was good enough to win.
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Nm
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Fields was mediocre as fuck yesterday and if you're not even willing to acknowledge when he's mediocre as fuck, you're a complete waste of my time who obviously is not interested in changing his views on anything regardless of the evidence.
Like you can't even post in acknowledgement when Fields has a mediocre game. Why on Earth would anyone think your views on the guy are 'credible' if you're not willing to make the most base-level, obvious "acknowledgements" when he isn't good?
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Hilarious that you think completing this catch would have been some otherworldly feat. Would have been a good catch. Definitely not some sort of “miracle” catch. It would have been spectacular because it was a game winner. Difficulty? 7
(https://i.postimg.cc/QMGZfsrL/IMG-5958.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Yv3PS598)
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It's going to be really funny to come back to these posts in a few years and watch Tempo go to absolute bat mocking Mooney for not making a play on his ass off a tipped Hail Mary and acting like it wouldn't have been a phenomenal play all to avoid giving Justin Fields any blame for anything, ever.
It's the weirdest shit I've ever seen. Just defies all logic completely.
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Fields was mediocre as fuck yesterday and if you're not even willing to acknowledge when he's mediocre as fuck, you're a complete waste of my time who obviously is not interested in changing his views on anything regardless of the evidence.
Like you can't even post in acknowledgement when Fields has a mediocre game. Why on Earth would anyone think your views on the guy are 'credible' if you're not willing to make the most base-level, obvious "acknowledgements" when he isn't good?
He was good enough to win. And wasn’t a reason they lost.
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Hilarious that you think completing this catch would have been some otherworldly feat. Would have been a good catch. Definitely not some sort of “miracle” catch. It would have been spectacular because it was a game winner. Difficulty? 7
(https://i.postimg.cc/QMGZfsrL/IMG-5958.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Yv3PS598)
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Hilarious that you think completing this catch would have been some otherworldly feat. Would have been a good catch. Definitely not some sort of “miracle” catch. It would have been spectacular because it was a game winner. Difficulty? 7
(https://i.postimg.cc/QMGZfsrL/IMG-5958.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Yv3PS598)
I posted the video. You can see the play he made. Posting the still without context after he'd already made a great play to be in the position shown here obviously isn't going to change my mind, because I have eyes and can watch the video.
It didn't just fall in his lap like this. He made the play to put it there, by reaching out with his arm while falling backwards on a tipped ball.
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He was good enough to win. And wasn’t a reason they lost.
Pathetic.
Literally can't acknowledge the most obvious truths every single person can see.
You've completely sacrificed your credibility on the Fields discussion here, sorry bud. No one could say this sort of nonsense and still have any reasonable people take them seriously.
A good QB likely beats the Browns yesterday.
A good playcaller does too, almost certainly, but a good QB beats them. We can pretend if we want, you obviously are EXTREMELY, WEIRDLY defensive about Justin Fields, but we all know it's true. A good QB wins that game.
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Here’s where I stole my Brock Bowers take from. Posted to Twitter two minutes ago, but this is where I stole it from.
(https://i.postimg.cc/65Zky3Pk/IMG-5962.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vcQqKQbh)
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What about good blocking or a good run game? Or good pass catching? Do they beat Cleveland yesterday? Good coaching?
Favorite defensive call? Having a 310 pound dlineman drop into coverage against Njoku? Fields’ fault.
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Fuckin’ Fields, how could he let this happen?
https://x.com/barroomnetwork/status/1736782134675722286?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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I probably make that catch in high school. I never dropped a kick or a punt (similar catch with a little higher degree of difficulty) you could ask my high school JV coach, but he’s dead.
Tempo34>Mooney!
Maybe you should be returning punts for the Bear
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Tempo34>Mooney!
Maybe you should be returning punts for the Bear
Not fast enough.
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Fuckin’ Fields, how could he let this happen?
https://x.com/barroomnetwork/status/1736782134675722286?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Is someone saying this, or are you just openly beating up strawmen and not even pretending to be arguing against the shit other people are saying at this point?
It definitely seems like the second thing, but I don't hang onto PAMan's every word like you do and he loves to troll you, maybe he's blaming Fields for the defensive playcalling.
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Fields is the problem.
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Not fast enough.
But you make Odell style catches!
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But you make Odell style catches!
Not quite that athletic, even in my prime.
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This thread has surpassed all expectations in the last 4 pages with Tempo staring as some type of Odell Beckham Jr./Wes Welker monster HS WR.
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Fields is the problem.
He’s certainly a problem, yeah. Not the only or biggest problem, but I also haven’t seen anyone say he is.
Did someone say that?
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This thread has surpassed all expectations in the last 4 pages with Tempo staring as some type of Odell Beckham Jr./Wes Welker monster HS WR.
I was actually a RB. Who could catch really well.
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He’s certainly a problem, yeah. Not the only or biggest problem, but I also haven’t seen anyone say he is.
Did someone say that?
Spark meet ThePAMan. PAMan, meet Spark. You two could find some common ground.
Fields isn’t as good as I want him to be, and he’s been a huge reason for some bad Bears play the last couple of years; but he wasn’t a primary reason they lost yesterday.
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I was actually a RB. Who could catch really well.
Wes Welker/Roger Craig monster RB.
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Spark meet ThePAMan. PAMan, meet Spark. You two could find some common ground.
Fields isn’t as good as I want him to be, and he’s been a huge reason for some bad Bears play the last couple of years; but he wasn’t a primary reason they lost yesterday.
You argue a hell of a lot more like PAMan than I do, bud. On opposite sides, sure, because he often says absurd wildly stretchy shit just to troll you. You say the exact same kind of absurd shit but you're not trolling.
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Spark meet ThePAMan. PAMan, meet Spark. You two could find some common ground.
Fields isn’t as good as I want him to be, and he’s been a huge reason for some bad Bears play the last couple of years; but he wasn’t a primary reason they lost yesterday.
He was not the primary reason. He was a reason. Eberlose's shit ass defense and not punting was a primary reason.
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“I don’t think very much of this was on Justin Fields IMO.” Kurt Warner just now.
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Kurt Warner just said that QB penalty calls are “too liberal,” but somehow Justin never gets those calls.
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Warner just mentioned how important “situation” is to a QB. Mentioned how Brady, Roethlisberger, Brees had a chance to “grow into being a great quarterback.” Said Brady wasn’t Brady his first 3-4 years (beat them in the Super Bowl throwing for 150 and had 1 TD pass in the playoffs).
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2023/12/18/24006798/bears-quarterback-justin-fields-browns-made-jay-cutler-rich-doomed-45-yard-hail-mary-contract-nfl
With three games left to go in the season, Fields has yet to prove that he’s the Bears’ unquestioned franchise quarterback — regardless of receivers Darnell Mooney and DJ Moore offering public endorsements following Sunday’s loss.
The Bears seem more likely to build around USC quarterback Caleb Williams than Fields, who captained an offense that went three-and-out on more than half their drives Sunday. The Bears had one touchdown drive against the Browns, and it took them eight snaps to go one yard. Getsy’s too-cute-by-half short-yardage calls were partly to blame, on that drive and in the fourth quarter.
When the Hail Mary hung in the air Sunday afternoon, the Bears had a chance to win — and to squint and see what they wanted to see in Fields. Neither happened. For the latter, they might ultimately be grateful.
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Kurt Warner just said that QB penalty calls are “too liberal,” but somehow Justin never gets those calls.
He absolutely deserved the one on the first Hail Mary. It was egregious.
One thing I think would help him is to slide with his back flat on the ground - he often slides with his top half “vertical” like a baseball player and I think it sometimes fools the refs into thinking he wasn’t going down yet when he was.
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Hahaha I don’t take issue with the other stuff, but laying the failed Hail Mary at the feet of Fields is hilarious.
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Hahaha I don’t take issue with the other stuff, but laying the failed Hail Mary at the feet of Fields is hilarious.
If Mooney had caught it would you have been here giving Fields credit?
I agree with you that putting any blame on a QB for a failed Hail Mary is silly, but it seems incredibly likely that had Mooney made a great play and caught it you’d be here trying to dunk on people about it which would be equally silly.
It’s a prayer. You put it in a crowd of people and pray your dude comes out with it. There isn’t much blame or credit to go around, barring a ridiculous play like Mooney almost made or a QB throwing too long or short.
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I’d be giving both Fields and Mooney credit. Parkins (OMG Parkins!) said he credits Fields with throwing two “good Hail Mary’s” (he watches a ton of football and said it’s not uncommon to see those come up 6 yards short, which is true.) I wouldn’t be crediting Fields for a pinpoint Hail Mary. Lol. A majority of the credit would go to Mooney. Mostly, I’d just be happy they won.
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But the Browns defense was a shell of itself.
(https://i.postimg.cc/qRzfFMjQ/IMG-5959.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tZQmZy0V)
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/joe-flacco-in-vintage-form-with-browns-and-kevin-stefanski-deserves-plenty-of-praise-for-veterans-success/
Flacco was actually pressured on just over 39% of his dropbacks against the Bears.
Old man just off the couch somehow still managed to throw for 400 yards. Yet Fields can't throw for over 200....
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I’d be giving both Fields and Mooney credit. Parkins (OMG Parkins!) said he credits Fields with throwing two “good Hail Mary’s” (he watches a ton of football and said it’s not uncommon to see those come up 6 yards short, which is true.) I wouldn’t be crediting Fields for a pinpoint Hail Mary. Lol. A majority of the credit would go to Mooney. Mostly, I’d just be happy they won.
It's really easy to like a dude when you start at the point of "if things go right he deserves the credit, but if they go wrong he deserves no blame". I just don't find that to be rational.
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Looking like Tempo having another bad day here.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/joe-flacco-in-vintage-form-with-browns-and-kevin-stefanski-deserves-plenty-of-praise-for-veterans-success/
Old man just off the couch somehow still managed to throw for 400 yards. Yet Fields can't throw for over 200....
Coaching helps, huh?
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Coaching helps, huh?
So does talent, huh?
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So does talent, huh?
Potential. Patience. Fuck Kylar Murray though!
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It's really easy to like a dude when you start at the point of "if things go right he deserves the credit, but if they go wrong he deserves no blame". I just don't find that to be rational.
JFC. He gets credit for giving his team a chance to make the play, that’s it. It’s literally as 50/50 as you can get.
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So does talent, huh?
Uhhhhh, yeah? What’s your point? The Bears lack talent on offense as a whole? Correctamundo.
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Potential. Patience. Fuck Kylar Murray though!
You mean 5th year, above average, but probably reached his ceiling with a questionable commitment level Kyler Murray?
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You mean 5th year, above average, but probably reached his ceiling with a questionable commitment level Kyler Murray?
Yes, Murray sucks and I could’ve told you that just like Fields. It’s weird how you're defending Fields. The Bears will be in the same position as the Cardinals if they pay Field’s. Move on. Murray is even a better passer than Fields.
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Yes, Murray sucks and I could’ve told you that just like Fields. It’s weird how you're defending Fields. The Bears will be in the same position as the Cardinals if they pay Field’s. Move on. Murray is even a better passer than Fields.
This Kyler Murray?
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nfl/cardinals/2023/07/17/arizona-cardinals-kyler-murray-slammed-for-lack-of-accountability/70421453007/
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This Kyler Murray?
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nfl/cardinals/2023/07/17/arizona-cardinals-kyler-murray-slammed-for-lack-of-accountability/70421453007/
Yep! I’m saying he sucks and better than Fields…
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This Kyler Murray?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/cardinals/2023/03/09/cardinals-kyler-murray-needs-grow-up-says-former-teammate/11435290002/
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You're not making the point you think you're making here Tempo.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/Z5L8gMFn/IMG-3410.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zyVHHpQY)
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Uhhhhh, yeah? What’s your point? The Bears lack talent on offense as a whole? Correctamundo.
Certainly do at QB and OL. Wide Receiver? TBD.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/Z5L8gMFn/IMG-3410.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zyVHHpQY)
That is EPIC
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Another bad day for Tempo at the ol' HQ2 as now Judge Judy gets to school him on the night shift.
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Another bad day for Tempo at the ol' HQ2 as now Judge Judy gets to school him on the night shift.
I laid off for just this reason 😂 figure we all have to chip in and do this in shifts…
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Certainly do at QB and OL. Wide Receiver? TBD.
Lol. After DJ it’s JAG City.
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That is EPIC
EPIC.
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I laid off for just this reason 😂 figure we all have to chip in and do this in shifts…
Yeah. Love the avatar. That’s normal.
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Oh boy…
https://x.com/ilannfl/status/1736803965642453463?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Love the comments too.
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Fields is not a good passer and wouldn’t pull the trigger on this. Moore is wide open here if you anticipate and throw it. Fields can’t do it. Caleb Williams could and would. This is the exact type of play that Williams has his eyes down field on and throws it. Big difference from n the two players…
https://x.com/tylow237/status/1736818374548894194?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
The comments on this one are much better. Williams makes that throw 10/10 times. This is exactly what he does and the difference in him and Fields.
https://x.com/adamhoge/status/1736809198044983359?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Dude no way - like, MAYBE you see that and make that throw but it's a long shot for anyone, and Fields is running for his life from the second that ball is snapped.
Was a terrible 'block' (used loosely) by Mooney and the defender made a hell of a play, but I can't criticize Fields for not throwing that ball.
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Great explanation by Flus here…
https://x.com/nicholasmoreano/status/1736837715876782171?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Re Caleb - the plays you pick Caleb Williams for look a lot more like the passing touchdown Fields had than the play you show here IMO. Caleb loves to do exactly what Fields did on that play.
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Dude no way - like, MAYBE you see that and make that throw but it's a long shot for anyone, and Fields is running for his life from the second that ball is snapped.
Was a terrible 'block' (used loosely) by Mooney and the defender made a hell of a play, but I can't criticize Fields for not throwing that ball.
He didn’t even have to run out. Wait IN THE POCKET LIKE A QB and throw the fucking ball. It was an RPO and picked the wrong option.
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Re Caleb - the plays you pick Caleb Williams for look a lot more like the passing touchdown Fields had than the play you show here IMO. Caleb loves to do exactly what Fields did on that play.
His head is ALWAYS down field looking to pass first. That’s not the case with Fields. It’s run first mentality. Big difference for a QB
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Pretty sure that was a designed run all the way but even if it wasn't that would have probably been an ill-advised throw.
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He didn’t even have to run out. Wait IN THE POCKET LIKE A QB and throw the fucking ball. It was an RPO and picked the wrong option.
It's a rollout! It's the 'moved pocket' everyone's been begging for for years, but the edge doesn't get sealed so he's on the run immediately.
There were plenty of plays to criticize Fields for on Sunday, but IMO this isn't one of them.
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Pretty sure that was a designed run all the way but even if it wasn't that would have probably been an ill-advised throw.
It was an RPO and Flus explained it in the link above.
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It's a rollout! It's the 'moved pocket' everyone's been begging for for years, but the edge doesn't get sealed so he's on the run immediately.
There were plenty of plays to criticize Fields for on Sunday, but IMO this isn't one of them.
He easily could’ve tossed that out there for Moore and that’s a TD. We can agree to disagree.
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Exhibit 1- Dude is phenomenal in exactly those situations…
https://x.com/mychicagoburner/status/1736825965853159710?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Exhibit 1- Dude is phenomenal in exactly those situations…
https://x.com/mychicagoburner/status/1736825965853159710?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
This is NOT the same situation, hahaha.
He is definitely great at avoiding contact in the backfield, but Fields was caught immediately. He didn't have a full second to juke like Caleb does in this clip.
I've made my feelings about Fields pretty clear but this ain't it.
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It was an RPO and Flus explained it in the link above.
Ok it did look like there was a window to throw it but Fields was probably in run-for-his-life mode at that point because Mooney failed to put more effort into the block. Mooney pretty much completely fucked this play up.
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Ok it did look like there was a window to throw it but Fields was probably in run-for-his-life mode at that point because Mooney failed to put more effort into the block. Mooney pretty much completely fucked this play up.
I agree with this too. I was trying to find Mooney’s explanation of what happened but can’t find it now. He explained his side I guess.
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Good analysis here on Fields…
https://x.com/johnathan_wood1/status/1736774683331060119?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Drew Lock has more game-winning drives than Fields…
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4 plays into the All22 with O’Sullivan and he’s already LOLd two play calls (running two toss plays right at Myles Garrett with TE blocking him) and criticized route design on another play (too condensed).
(https://i.postimg.cc/3r26ydS5/IMG-5969.png) (https://postimg.cc/xqTghTVt)
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Still on play four: “I watch these games every week (Bears) and I just hope that it’s going to be something different, something better and it’s just not (talking about game plan and play-calling). They had all week to decide how to start the game and this is it? Two toss plays out of the pistol right at 95?”
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Before play 5 starts. “(Sighs) What have we got here? I blacked out (laughs).
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With no OL or QB, have to feel sorry for Getsy at this point.
Hopefully this week the Star QB can keep his balance if any shoestring tackles come along.
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With no OL or QB, have to feel sorry for Getsy at this point.
Hopefully this week the Star QB can keep his balance if any shoestring tackles come along.
🧌
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With no OL or QB, have to feel sorry for Getsy at this point.
Hopefully this week the Star QB can keep his balance if any shoestring tackles come along.
It was an AMAZING play to get a piece of his shoe!
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Apparently you’ve never played football, I’d rather have to juke a guy than have a guy grab my shoe in stride.
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Then again, if Darnell Mooney puts a better block on his guy…
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🧌
Sorry your favorite QB sucks. It sucks for us Bear fans, as opposed to you FFFs.
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Sorry your favorite QB sucks. It sucks for us Bear fans, as opposed to you FFFs.
You are not a Bears fan. You are a meatball with a supreme sense of entitlement.
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You are not a Bears fan. You are a meatball with a supreme sense of entitlement.
No, I am a Bear fan. You are a FFF who thinks "Fields before Team.:
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Apparently you’ve never played football, I’d rather have to juke a guy than have a guy grab my shoe in stride.
Where is your cousin on this topic?
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Found some video of Tempo during his football playing days...
https://youtu.be/cfZ0A2O4WSM?si=KCbjf7_i9Mn3v80n&t=111
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Found some video of Tempo during his football playing days...
https://youtu.be/cfZ0A2O4WSM?si=KCbjf7_i9Mn3v80n&t=111
I never knew we were in the presence of high school football greatness. A fullback that was good at catching passes.
Swoon
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I was a halfback.
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I was a halfback.
What position did your cousin play?
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2023/12/18/24006980/upon-further-review-bears-qb-justin-fields-game-vs-browns-rife-with-concerns
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
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What position did your cousin play?
TE/LB
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And 1st team All-State Pitcher. 127 strikeouts in 64 innings. You can put that on the back of his baseball card!
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Spark, is this you???
https://x.com/kevinoc81/status/1737231094154396074?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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This.
https://x.com/jeremylayt0n/status/1737185534890344578?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Not gonna lie though, I am intrigued but the haul they could possibly get for that #1 pick. That is probably gonna be epic if they do it. So I don’t know if I could be mad if they did…
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This.
https://x.com/jeremylayt0n/status/1737185534890344578?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
What’s funny is his “flaws” are similar to Justin’s. And he’s not quite the athlete Justin is. Also, there could be maturity issues. Again. Could be.
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I am generally all for trading down and getting more bites at the Apple. Too many picks bust.
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I am generally all for trading down and getting more bites at the Apple. Too many picks bust.
As we have seen with Cade, Mitch, and Fields. Maybe 4th time will be a charm.
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Not gonna lie though, I am intrigued but the haul they could possibly get for that #1 pick. That is probably gonna be epic if they do it. So I don’t know if I could be mad if they did…
I say trade down to 3 maybe 4, get a boatload and you’d have a realistic shot at getting the #1 pick again next year. Build the fuck out of that roster with young 1st and 2nd round picks.
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I am generally all for trading down and getting more bites at the Apple. Too many picks bust.
Regardless with whatever they do with the pick, I’ll still stand behind it. It’s a situation that’s gonna literally make or break the organization a lot of ways. Definitely Poles future is linked to this single decision, but the Bears in general. I don’t envy his position. If I had the #1 though, it’d be really hard to pass on a player like Williams but I wouldn’t fault them if they got a haul either. I just probably wouldn’t do that because I think Williams potential and passing ability is a huge upgrade.
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Trade down to 3 or 4 and you could theoretically trade down a few more spots after that and still get a Nabers or Bowers and swimming in Chinese but…I mean draft picks.
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There could be 3 quarterbacks go top 4.
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Being in perpetual rebuild mode is one way to try and keep your job.....
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What’s funny is his “flaws” are similar to Justin’s. And he’s not quite the athlete Justin is. Also, there could be maturity issues. Again. Could be.
You haven't watched him play, you're literally just repeating shit from Bears Twitter.
If I was trying to downplay him like you are and compare him to a recent mediocre first round QB in terms of playstyle/flaws, it'd be Baker Mayfield, not Fields. He doesn't really try to get rushing yards like Fields does.
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Caleb Williams is a fucking elite prospect, man. I have no vested interest in him or really any reason to root for him or like him and can say he’s elite. It’s impressive. There’s a reason people that evaluate talent everyday say the things they do about him as a prospect. It’s rare what he can bring.
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Being in perpetual rebuild mode is one way to try and keep your job.....
Perpetual. It’s been 14 games. Lol
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You haven't watched him play, you're literally just repeating shit from Bears Twitter.
If I was trying to downplay him like you are and compare him to a recent mediocre first round QB in terms of playstyle/flaws, it'd be Baker Mayfield, not Fields. He doesn't really try to get rushing yards like Fields does.
I’m repeating what the scouting reports say. Plays well out of structure, holds ball too long, fumbles. Blah blah. I don’t have to watch him if I can read a scouting report. And if you removed the names, the scouting reports would look very similar.
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He doesn't really try to get rushing yards like Fields does.
Fields wasn’t known as a running quarterback in college. He was a quarterback that could run, but not a running quarterback.
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Perpetual. It’s been 14 games. Lol
Not if you trade the top draft pick again...try and keep up
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Lulz
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I love that Tempo reads all these scouting reports on The Twitter so he does not have to watch anyone actually play
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I love that Tempo reads all these scouting reports on The Twitter so he does not have to watch anyone actually play
I was going to type this at some point too…
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The guy saying the team needs a complete overhaul is adamantly against adding multiple more high drafts picks. Can’t make this shit up.
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Just add in a Parkins burn and you guys will complete the daily double.
Twitter. Parkins. Pwned…
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I’m not the one making the pick, so not that vital that I watch him play.
Twitter. Parkins. Pwned.
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Just add in a Parkins burn and you guys will complete the daily double.
Twitter. Parkins. Pwned…
I’m not trying to be rude or burn you. I don’t understand how you can tell Spark or someone you don’t have time to watch Williams’ film, yet come on here and talk nonstop about all the film you’ve watched on Fields and people breaking it down for you guys n all the videos.
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I’m not the one making the pick, so not that vital that I watch him play.
Twitter. Parkins. Pwned.
But you’re not the one trading or keeping Fields either, but you’ve watched tons. There’s a reason for that.
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Fields is actually a Bear. I don’t give a fuck about Caleb Williams. If he becomes a Bear, I’ll probably start giving a fuck. I can read a scouting report, which can be found other places than Twitter. Parkins. Pwned.
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The guy saying the team needs a complete overhaul is adamantly against adding multiple more high drafts picks. Can’t make this shit up.
You ignore all the cap room you keep telling us they have.
Nonetheless, you assume they will get multiple high draft picks... in future drafts and then will complain every year that the team is filled with 1st and 2nd year players or that they have not played enough together. It will never end. Or Poles will just pick more Velus Jones, Jrs.
Hell, for all we know a new, competent, QB will make the OL look better.
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I didn’t watch any college tape on Justin either, minus the Clemson highlights.
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You ignore all the cap room you keep telling us they have.
Nonetheless, you assume they will get multiple high draft picks... in future drafts and then will complain every year that the team is filled with 1st and 2nd year players or that they have not played enough together. It will never end. Or Poles will just pick more Velus Jones, Jrs.
Hell, for all we know a new, competent, QB will make the OL look better.
This post doesn’t even make sense. You don’t WANT lots of 1st and 2nd round draft choices?
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I’m not the one making the pick, so not that vital that I watch him play.
Twitter. Parkins. Pwned.
LOL
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I will just about guranfuckintee you they do not hand Caleb Williams to Luke Getsy if they do draft him.
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Fields is actually a Bear. I don’t give a fuck about Caleb Williams. If he becomes a Bear, I’ll probably start giving a fuck. I can read a scouting report, which can be found other places than Twitter. Parkins. Pwned.
Ok, fair enough. I’m just trying to tell you that you’d see what people are actually talking about. And people who actually watched him would know more than you about him, right? Like they’ve actually seen Fields AND Williams and can determine that way. That’s the informed and educated way to learn about things you don’t know about, no?!
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LOL
LOL
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This post doesn’t even make sense. You don’t WANT lots of 1st and 2nd round draft choices?
Depends. Is this a deep draft or not? If not, what is the point? I have not heard anyone say it is a deep draft. All you have told us is that there are allegedly well thought of QBs out there, with 4 going to be picked in the 1st. Better get one as the current one really blows and admits he cannot handle learning NFL offenses.
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Fields is actually a Bear. I don’t give a fuck about Caleb Williams. If he becomes a Bear, I’ll probably start giving a fuck. I can read a scouting report, which can be found other places than Twitter. Parkins. Pwned.
You are full of shit. You are not reading scouting reports. You are reading posts online by some idiot in his basement on Sports Mockery or Bears Online.com.
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I will just about guranfuckintee you they do not hand Caleb Williams to Luke Getsy if they do draft him.
Eberlose, Fields, and Getsy are done. Also helps Poles keep his job
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Eberlose, Fields, and Getsy are done. Also helps Poles keep his job
If I were a betting man, I’d say this accurate and wager good money on it. I’d say 90% chance this happens.
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You are full of shit. You are not reading scouting reports. You are reading posts online by some idiot in his basement on Sports Mockery or Bears Online.com.
Since Twitter, Parkins, pwned got exposed we’re pivoting. Nice.
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Hell, for all we know a new, competent, QB will make the OL look better.
This is why I accuse PAMan of projectile vomiting takes. The last 3 days he went on and on about how the line needed upgrading (along with literally everything else, including the aging linebackers!), and now it’s “well
maybe a new QB fixes things.” It’s hard to be wrong when you’ve taken every position.
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Since Twitter, Parkins, pwned got exposed we’re pivoting. Nice.
Yeah, sure. Whatever that means.
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Poles is not going anywhere for now, nor should he
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This is why I accuse PAMan of projectile vomiting takes. The last 3 days he went on and on about how the line needed upgrading (along with literally everything else, including the aging linebackers!), and now it’s “well
maybe a new QB fixes things.” It’s hard to be wrong when you’ve taken every position.
I still think they need upgrades on the OL and LB. That being said, the odds are a better QB, one who gets rid of the ball in a timely manner, would probably help the OL. Is that really a controversial concept? Certainly helped the Miami line look better when Tua started getting rid of the ball in under 3 seconds.
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Poles is not going anywhere for now, nor should he
He's not going anywhere. Whether be should be is a different issue. He hired Eberlose and has made a number of really stupid moves.
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For the record I just watched a couple of minutes of Caleb Williams, and it looked pretty nice. Having said that I don’t think quarterback is the primary problem in Chicago.
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For the record I just watched a couple of minutes of Caleb Williams, and it looked pretty nice. Having said that I don’t think quarterback is the primary problem in Chicago.
He's not any good. You need to try to come to grips with it.
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Ironically enough, he is not a Playmaker Who Doesn't Make Plays. He's just a Guy Who Doesn't Make Plays.
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For the record I just watched a couple of minutes of Caleb Williams, and it looked pretty nice. Having said that I don’t think quarterback is the primary problem in Chicago.
Here you go. I found this on Twitter. Disregard the dumb Patriots fan post…
https://x.com/drstran33/status/1736493600756625603?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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In my opinion, this is a golden opportunity to just stockpile crazy amounts of draft capital and if in a year or two, Justin hasn’t worked out you’ll have a hell of a roster and you can move on. As I pointed out the best teams in the league, all had the roster, and then found their quarterback.
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Or I could roll the dice on a quarterback at the top of the first round it’s not like we haven’t seen those guys bust
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In my opinion, this is a golden opportunity to just stockpile crazy amounts of draft capital and if in a year or two, Justin hasn’t worked out you’ll have a hell of a roster and you can move on. As I pointed out the best teams in the league, all had the roster, and then found their quarterback.
Except when those QBs were sitting on the roster for years behind another QB...
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Or I could roll the dice on a quarterback at the top of the first round it’s not like we haven’t seen those guys bust
As we have seen for the last 3 years with the Bears.
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People can talk about Justin‘s trade value all they want let’s call it a3rd and a 5th rounder, me I would rather have three first rounders from a bad team
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And it could easily be three 1st rounders, a 2nd rounder, and another starter.
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And again, if you trade inside the top 5-6 there’s an excellent chance you’re drafting in the top 3-4 next year with their pick.
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Found this nugget. Remember when Williams released a list if team he’d want to play for? The Bears were a clear omission. And I’m sorry, but this just doesn’t sound like a guy who’s super focused on being a franchise quarterback. “The colors are pretty cool and the weather’s good.” Lol
Not that this comment disqualifies him as my pick as a GM, but it does make my ears perk up.
(https://i.postimg.cc/q78Q0VsW/IMG-5986.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FfH0g6nx)
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And it could easily be three 1st rounders, a 2nd rounder, and another starter.
For Fields or the 1st round pick?
You do not believe people will look what Carolina did and go "Not interested"?
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Found this nugget. Remember when Williams released a list if team he’d want to play for? The Bears were a clear omission. And I’m sorry, but this just doesn’t sound like a guy who’s super focused on being a franchise quarterback. “The colors are pretty cool and the weather’s good.” Lol
Not that this comment disqualifies him as my pick as a GM, but it does make my ears perk up.
(https://i.postimg.cc/q78Q0VsW/IMG-5986.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FfH0g6nx)
Who wouldn't rather play for the Dolphin? They do have nice unis.
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https://www.sportstalkatl.com/justin-fields-teammates-could-create-prime-opportunity-for-falcons/
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For Fields or the 1st round pick?
You do not believe people will look what Carolina did and go "Not interested"?
Lol, I couldn’t more obviously be talking about the draft pick.
No, I don’t. Someone will want that top pick. Probably multiple teams.
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Poor Tyson Bagent
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Three men in his face and throws a dime 58 yards downfield in bad weather.
https://x.com/clayharbs82/status/1737147074053853459?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Nm
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LOL. Too bad he still fucking sucks ass. If Poles wants top draft picks for the next 2 years, he will keep Fields.
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LOL. Too bad he still fucking sucks ass. If Poles wants top draft picks for the next 2 years, he will keep Fields.
Can’t wait for your channel to come out.
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football is not baseball
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football is not baseball
What if C-A-T really spelled dog?
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What if C-A-T really spelled dog?
not surprising I wooshed ya
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Can’t wait for your channel to come out.
Going to be awesome.
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Another reason to keep Justin Fields, no pizzeria appearance fee scandals!
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/20/sport/tommy-devito-appearance-pizzeria-agent-fee-dispute-intl-spt/index.html
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What about his poor stats?
(https://i.postimg.cc/dt0MXyz7/IMG-5997.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0rhHKb5x)
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Perfectly said (the tweet at the bottom).
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"Find happiness in life" says the guy who spends multiple hours a day making strings of 10-12 consecutive posts (no replies) making excuses for a 24 year old who doesn't know he exists
Before you make up some shit and attribute it to me: I am not saying Fields hasn't improved. He's improved from being one of the worst QBs in the league at the beginning of this season. He has not improved into an above average quarterback and that is the problem.
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This is a good point…
https://x.com/jacobinfante24/status/1737590514927673491?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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"Find happiness in life" says the guy who spends multiple hours a day making strings of 10-12 consecutive posts (no replies) making excuses for a 24 year old who doesn't know he exists
Before you make up some shit and attribute it to me: I am not saying Fields hasn't improved. He's improved from being one of the worst QBs in the league at the beginning of this season. He has not improved into an above average quarterback and that is the problem.
Technically, I didn’t say “find happiness in life,” but if you want to attribute that to me, fine. I enjoy talking Bears. It helps me take my mind off my real problems. But thanks for the feedback.
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This is a good point…
https://x.com/jacobinfante24/status/1737590514927673491?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
If you keep Fields, I think you’re exercising the 5th year option, most likely. But I think any timeline is forced and artificial. You don’t have to make a real decision on him for a couple of years. If you trade down this coming draft you’ll probably have plenty of draft capital to come back the next year. If you trade with NE or Vegas there’s a pretty damn good chance you’re drafting top 5 or even #1 again in 2025.
Build up the roster to a championship level then find your QB (if it’s not Fields). It worked for SF, KC, and Philly.
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I was thinking more the word “insufferable” was perfect, but I’ll back the whole quote.
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What’s fireable about not brining Justin back year 5? Again, we act like it’s now or never. I don’t think that’s the case. Most of the top quarterbacks in the league were drafted 10 or lower.
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Passing on one of the best QB prospects of recent years and putting yourself into a position where you need to figure out the most important position 'later' with most of the rest of your roster ready to win, I assume is what he meant.
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What about his poor stats?
(https://i.postimg.cc/dt0MXyz7/IMG-5997.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0rhHKb5x)
Didn't you post a stat previously where it was 44%?
Seems like people are still making stuff up to protect this guy because they cannot admit they were wrong.
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It worked for SF, KC, and Philly.
You keep spouting this bullshit. It is complete bullshit. Mully called you on it on air.
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Perfectly said (the tweet at the bottom).
(https://i.postimg.cc/KzVdWvSw/IMG-5999.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0MYWMvN0)
Good to see Fields is in denial like his devoted followers. It is just like the MAGA people and Trump. Crazy
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So this is all about how much you love Caleb
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You keep spouting this bullshit. It is complete bullshit. Mully called you on it on air.
Low quality troll effort
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It's about how risky and stupid it is to pass on a top QB prospect (Caleb OR Maye, from what I have heard) and "figure it out later" with the most important position in sports.
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Low quality troll effort
Your response means the post was factual, as that is always how you respond to factual posts where you do not have a retort.
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It's about how risky and stupid it is to pass on a top QB prospect (Caleb OR Maye, from what I have heard) and "figure it out later" with the most important position in sports.
So you’re saying they are “can’t miss” prospects
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Justin Fields, Trey, Lance, Zach, Wilson, and Mac Jones were all “top prospects.”
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Kyle Shanahan, whos judgment, I would trust as much as anyone when it comes to quarterbacking, was said to be enamored with Mac Jones
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We know for fact that the current occupant of the position is not working out. Time to try again. If he does not work out, you then try again.
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So what you’re telling me is that one of those two or both is either a “can’t miss,” or that we should just “take a stab” at a top prospect
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So you’re saying they are “can’t miss” prospects
I'm not, no, but I'm obviously unsurprised you went straight to "just make up some shit and pretend he said it"
I don't change my logic completely based on what I'm trying to argue, you and I are different in that way.
There's no doubt the two QBs in this draft are considered really, really good prospects nearly unanimously outside of Bears Twitter though
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Justin Fields, Trey, Lance, Zach, Wilson, and Mac Jones were all “top prospects.”
sO yOuRe SaYiNg wE sHoUlDnT pICk mArVin hArrIsoN!?
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So what you’re telling me is that one of those two or both is either a “can’t miss,” or that we should just “take a stab” at a top prospect
What I'm telling you is that it's stupid to pass on taking a top QB prospect in the draft given the extremely rare opportunity to do so in order to keep a guy you hope can make a nearly unprecedented 'fourth year jump' in his third offense in four years, and if not plan to 'figure it out later' on the most important position.
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Hahahaha this guy changed his name to mock a guy for not catching a tipped hail mary falling backwards.
Jesus Christ, what a sad state of affairs.
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I'm not, no, but I'm obviously unsurprised you went straight to "just make up some shit and pretend he said it"
I don't change my logic completely based on what I'm trying to argue, you and I are different in that way.
There's no doubt the two QBs in this draft are considered really, really good prospects nearly unanimously outside of Bears Twitter though
I have shown multiple times in the last few days where you took my words and used them liberally
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Hahahaha this guy changed his name to mock a guy for not catching a tipped hail mary falling backwards.
Jesus Christ, what a sad state of affairs.
It was an AMAZING play that he even had a CHANCE to catch it, even when he had his arms around it
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It was an amazing play that he even had a CHANCE to catch it, even when he had his arms around it
Glad to see you've decided to be a little more honest about things instead of pretending to protect the quarterback.
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What I'm telling you is that it's stupid to pass on taking a top QB prospect in the draft given the extremely rare opportunity to do so in order to keep a guy you hope can make a nearly unprecedented 'fourth year jump' in his third offense in four years, and if not plan to 'figure it out later' on the most important position.
Well, that is an opinion
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Glad to see you've decided to be a little more honest about things instead of pretending to protect the quarterback.
Chris Chelios can’t believe he didn’t catch it what a meatball
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If you can't trust the football credibility of a former Detroit Red Wing, is anyone actually 'credible'?
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I’m not saying that it was an “easy” catch, but a difference making player catches that more often than not. Look no further than the Washington double clutch catch where he didn’t get in. He is not a “difference maker.” That’s why they will be moving on from him. And that’s why they drafted Tyler Scott to take his spot.
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I'm no huge Darnell Mooney fan or anything, he's been better than you're giving him credit for in this time in Chicago but he's nothing special.
It's just the dumbest possible criticism, no matter who it is.
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If you can't trust the football credibility of a former Detroit Red Wing, is anyone actually 'credible'?
Probably not but a Hall of Fame athlete has just as credible of an opinion as me and you
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I'm no huge Darnell Mooney fan or anything, he's been better than you're giving him credit for in this time in Chicago but he's nothing special.
It's just the dumbest possible criticism, no matter who it is.
He had a nice year a couple of years ago was even decent early last year has not been the same since his injury
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Again, I am not saying the catch was easy but once you’ve got your arms around it, you’ve got to make that catch
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That’s what a high-level NFL receiver does
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Probably not but a Hall of Fame athlete has just as credible of an opinion as me and you
Hahahah
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Hahahah
So you are more credible than a HOF professional athlete?
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SF, Philly, KC, and Baltimore (4 best teams in the league? Yes), all built up the roster and found the quarterback later, and much lower than #1 overall. Build the shit out of the roster, give Fields a chance with better support (which outside of DJ still isn’t close to adequate); and if he doesn’t work out move on. I don’t give two shits about Fields’ trade value. A 3rd round pick could get me another Velus Jones. I’d rather roll it back and see if Fields can make the jump with better support. And yes, I’d have contingency plan. I would probably draft a QB every year until it’s solved.
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Either decision comes with a huge amount of risk. I don't envy Poles for having to make it, but then again, it's his fucking job. This decision will make or break him.
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I actually think drafting the QB #1 presents the most risk. There are still outs if you build the roster and stick with Fields. More margin for error. If you draft Williams, he HAS to be a top 7-8 guy (10 at least) or you wasted the most valuable draft asset you’ve ever had.
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Plus, this roster should be ready to win next year. You’ll be saddling them with a rookie QB. Big ask.
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One of the things Fields has going against him is his clock is “ahead” of the rebuild. An argument against Caleb is he is behind the rebuild.
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Caleb better be ready to win early or you are wasting a one to two year window
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Caleb better be ready to win early or you are wasting a one to two year window
Nope. He gets 30 starts. Just like everyone else. If in fact the one to two year window is "wasted", well I guess we'll have to be "patient" a little longer.
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I'm just saying it's a tough call. It would have been a hell of a lot easier on Poles if Fields would have just left no doubt. But here we are.
There's cases for and against for sure.
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Plus, this roster should be ready to win next year. You’ll be saddling them with a rookie QB. Big ask.
Less of an ask than saddling them with a mediocre QB who will be expensive to keep. That is easily the bigger risk here.
Fields just hasn’t shown it. Through three full seasons as a starter he has yet to be consistently good for any reasonable stretch of time. It’s nuts that this is even a discussion. You take the shot at the guy with the higher ceiling who will be cheaper for longer.
There’s a reason all the NFL GMs said it was an easy decision.
We can argue about it all year if we want - it’ll be a huge and easily avoidable mistake not to move on from Fields this year.
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So you are more credible than a HOF professional athlete?
When you start claiming credibility for people who played an entirely different sport who agree with you you have crossed into the realm of the absurd.
Who gives a shit what Chris Fucking Chelios thinks about Justin Fields? Like my god man. Chris Chelios!
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Nope. He gets 30 starts. Just like everyone else. If in fact the one to two year window is "wasted", well I guess we'll have to be "patient" a little longer.
The amount of starts he gets wasn’t the point at all. You talk out of your ass a lot
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As if “patient” is some kind of pwn. Lazy ass meme just like Twitter/Parkins.
Look at the best teams, their rosters have put in a lot of time together as a whole, unlike the Chicago Bears. It is unrealistic to EXPECT a one year turnaround. The team has made considerable strides since only two months ago
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Do you know how long the Philadelphia Eagles offensive line has played together it’s practically infinitely more than the Bears
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Starting Center (going to HOF) an Eagle since 2011. RT (All pro) an Eagle since 2013. LT 50+ games started as an Eagle. Starting guards: both 3rd year players in their 3rd year with the Eagles. Shit like that matters.
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Wow. Why the fuck are you attacking me? Do you not realize how fucking crazy you are?
I'm actually trying to take a reasonable approach to this. Trying to see both sides of it. You fired off 3 in a row, basically chewing my ass.
Carry on. I'll just watch Spark eviscerate you some more.
Edit: 4 in a row. You snuck one in on me.
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“EXPECTING” a winner in year one of a complete rebuild is next level cluelessness or entitlement. Both, I would guess.
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“EXPECTING” a winner in year one of a complete rebuild is next level cluelessness or entitlement. Both, I would guess.
You predicted 10-7 and a playoff appearance before the season started. So shut the fuck up you fucking asshole. I'm so fucking tired of you.
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Wow. Why the fuck are you attacking me? Do you not realize how fucking crazy you are?
I'm actually trying to take a reasonable approach to this. Trying to see both sides of it. You fired off 3 in a row, basically chewing my ass.
Carry on. I'll just watch Spark eviscerate you some more.
Edit: 4 in a row. You snuck one in on me.
Because you came in first. You mean “he gets 30 starts just like everyone else” and “patience” weren’t direct shots at me?
Lol are you self aware in the least?
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“EXPECTING” a winner in year one of a complete rebuild is next level cluelessness or entitlement. Both, I would guess.
You mean last year right?
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When you start claiming credibility for people who played an entirely different sport who agree with you you have crossed into the realm of the absurd.
Who gives a shit what Chris Fucking Chelios thinks about Justin Fields? Like my god man. Chris Chelios!
All I’m saying is his credibility is on par with ours. Is that controversial? I never said it was better or worse.
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Because you came in first. You mean “he gets 30 starts just like everyone else” and “patience” weren’t direct shots at me?
Lol are you self aware in the least?
They weren't shots. I thought we all settled on it takes 30 starts to know exactly what you have in an NFL quarterback. I wasn't taking shots. You're ultra defensive. I was just trying to banter.
I should have known better.
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Caleb better be ready to win early or you are wasting a one to two year window
I fucking love this.
If they do make the easy decision you’re going to be insufferable any time he makes a mistake or loses a game and that is fucking hilarious. You’ve totally lost the thread, all the way elbow deep into Fields at this point.
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Ok, who gives a fuck what Chris Chelios thinks of Justin Fields. Why should anyone give a fuck what Spark Mandrill thinks of Justin Fields? Are we really lacking this much self awareness here?
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All I’m saying is his credibility is on par with ours. Is that controversial? I never said it was better or worse.
His opinion matters exactly 0 just like yours does correct.
Nobody gives a fuck what Chris Chelios or Tim Duncan or Jeff Gordon think about the Bears’ QB situation, it couldn’t possibly be less relevant.
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I fucking love this.
If they do make the easy decision you’re going to be insufferable any time he makes a mistake or loses a game and that is fucking hilarious. You’ve totally lost the thread, all the way elbow deep into Fields at this point.
So I’ll be kind of like how you’ve been the last month.
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Ok, who gives a fuck what Chris Chelios thinks of Justin Fields. Why should anyone give a fuck what Spark Mandrill thinks of Justin Fields? Are we really lacking this much self awareness here?
You’re presenting a hockey player as a credible opinion to justify your own about a football player you fucking lunatic.
If I started posting shit about how Amare Stoudemire thinks it’s an obvious mistake to keep Fiields you would rightly be like “why the fuck would anyone care what Amare Stoudemire thinks about this?”
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His opinion matters exactly 0 just like yours does correct.
Nobody gives a fuck what Chris Chelios or Tim Duncan or Jeff Gordon think about the Bears’ QB situation, it couldn’t possibly be less relevant.
So I noticed you said mine and Chris Chelios’ opinions mattered 0. I didn’t hear you weigh in on yours.
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You’re presenting a hockey player as a credible opinion to justify your own about a football player you fucking lunatic.
If I started posting shit about how Amare Stoudemire thinks it’s an obvious mistake to keep Fiields you would rightly be like “why the fuck would anyone care what Amare Stoudemire thinks about this?”
And you’re pretending YOUR opinion is more credible than HIS or MINE, or apparently anyone who disagrees with you (Troy Aikman). You couldn’t sound more full of yourself right now.
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So I’ll be kind of like how you’ve been the last month.
Will he have started 35 NFL games? Or are they totally different situations you’re trying to sell as similar so you can pretend you're being reasonable here?
If you are still making excuses for a guy after 35 starts and are already pre-criticizing a different guy who isn’t even in the fucking league yet, you obviously are being pretty unreasonable.
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I said a HOF pro athlete thinks that Mooney play was pretty doable. He disagrees with you so he’s clearly an idiot.
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And you’re pretending YOUR opinion is more credible than HIS or MINE, or apparently anyone who disagrees with you (Troy Aikman). You couldn’t sound more full of yourself right now.
Nope, I’m not - but you can’t or don’t read so, not surprised you said that obviously. It’s What You Do.
My opinion isn’t more “credible” than Chris Chelios. If you posted a link to “spark mandrill says” in order to justify your opinion everyone would say the same thing I just said - who the fuck cares?
Who cares what some dude who played a totally different sport says about it? I would say the exact same thing if he said something I agreed with. Who cares?! He literally played a different sport
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Will he have started 35 NFL games? Or are they totally different situations you’re trying to sell as similar so you can pretend you're being reasonable here?
If you are still making excuses for a guy after 35 starts and are already pre-criticizing a different guy who isn’t even in the fucking league yet, you obviously are being pretty unreasonable.
One thing is for sure, he’s not going to hung out to dry like Justin was. He’ll have much better chance at succeeding.
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I said a HOF pro athlete thinks that Mooney play was pretty doable. He disagrees with you so he’s clearly an idiot.
I do not care what a Hall of Fame pitcher or point guard or stock car driver says about the Darnell Mooney play, even if they agree with me. Who cares? To even try to sell that as some credible opinion reeks of the most desperate stuff I’ve ever seen.
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Can’t wait to hear you say Fields and Williams will have been set up for success in similar fashion. That should be a doozy of a take.
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One thing is for sure, he’s not going to hung out to dry like Justin was. He’ll have much better chance at succeeding.
Pre-criticism.
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I do not care what a Hall of Fame pitcher or point guard or stock car driver says about the Darnell Mooney play, even if they agree with me. Who cares? To even try to sell that as some credible opinion reeks of the most desperate stuff I’ve ever seen.
And why should he, or anyone else care what you think?
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Can’t wait to hear you say Fields and Williams will have been set up for success in similar fashion. That should be a doozy of a take.
Only you could be here arguing a fantasy take nobody ever said
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Pre-criticism.
Just saying he’s going to be in a far better situation, denying that would be asinine
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You said my opinion meant zero, and Chris Chelios’ meant zero, but didn’t comment on yours that seemed like a curious omission
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And why should he, or anyone else care what you think?
He shouldn’t. You certainly don’t - you don’t even READ what I say.
But we’re on a message board meant for discussing sports, so I think giving my opinion about sports is probably an okay thing to do. They’re even MY opinions - not a former backup QBs or some guy on Twitters’ or some Reddit scouting report I read or Chris Chelios.
If I start appealing to the credibility of guys who play different and unrelated sports to support my own view, go ahead and make fun of me for it. I’ll deserve that.
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You said my opinion meant zero, and Chris Chelios’ meant zero, but didn’t comment on yours that seemed like a curious omission
Pathetic
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Has Doug Mankiewicz weighed in on the Mooney play yet?
Wonder what he thinks
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You predicted 10-7 and a playoff appearance before the season started. So shut the fuck up you fucking asshole. I'm so fucking tired of you.
Predicted. Sure. I was optimistic and also didn’t know that they’d have so many training camp injuries. Did you hear me crying like a little bitch when my prediction wasn’t met? No, because I knew I was being optimistic. I never had the EXPECTATION that they’d be 10-7. It’s perfectly understandable that year one of a rebuild didn’t go as well as it possibly could have.
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Has Doug Mankiewicz weighed in on the Mooney play yet?
Wonder what he thinks
You’re doing it again
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Pathetic
You really are PAManJr these days
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You’re doing it again
Openly mocking you?
Yes
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Predicted. Sure. I was optimistic and also didn’t know that they’d have so many training camp injuries. Did you hear me crying like a little bitch when my prediction wasn’t met? No, because I knew I was being optimistic. I never had the EXPECTATION that they’d be 10-7. It’s perfectly understandable that year one of a rebuild didn’t go as well as it possibly could have.
There’s no fucking way you’re taking people to task for expecting Fields and the Bears to be better than this this year right?
No way
You’ve been, to borrow your phrase, “crying like a little bitch” for weeks because people are acknowledging that Fields hasn’t been very good.
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Predicted. Sure. I was optimistic and also didn’t know that they’d have so many training camp injuries. Did you hear me crying like a little bitch when my prediction wasn’t met? No, because I knew I was being optimistic. I never had the EXPECTATION that they’d be 10-7. It’s perfectly understandable that year one of a rebuild didn’t go as well as it possibly could have.
You cry like a little bitch every day.
What does Stone Cold Steve Austin think about the Mooney drop?
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There’s no fucking way you’re taking people to task for expecting Fields and the Bears to be better than this this year right?
No way
He's bitching about people being impatient and having expectations when he predicted 10-7 and playoffs. It's comical. More disingenuous bullshit from him.
Maybe we can dig up the corpse of Pele and ask him about the Mooney drop.
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You predicted 10-7 and a playoff appearance before the season started. So shut the fuck up you fucking asshole. I'm so fucking tired of you.
Yes, but I didn’t got bitching and complaining when things didn’t go my way. I overlooked the challenges of integrating 30 new players. I’m a fan, my job is to be optimistic. I heard reporters say this team could barely put together a practice in training camp because of all the injuries. That part I had not factored in.
You came at me first. Own it.
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He's bitching about people being impatient and having expectations when he predicted 10-7 and playoffs. It's comical. More disingenuous bullshit from him.
Maybe we can dig up the corpse of Pele and ask him about the Mooney drop.
Again, I have not been the one bitching and I’m not the one who turned “patience” into a meme.
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Yes, but I didn’t got bitching and complaining when things didn’t go my way. I overlooked the challenges of integrating 30 new players. I’m a fan, my job is to be optimistic. I heard reporters say this team could barely put together a practice in training camp because of all the injuries. That part I had not factored in.
You came at me first. Own it.
I came at you? What the fuck, man. You are absolutely unhinged.
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If I’d have said lst off-season “through 14 games Fields will have had two monster games, three horrendous games, and a bunch of mediocrity and the Bears will be 5-9” you’d have absolutely railed me for being so pessimistic and YOU DONT THINK FIELDS CAN IMPROVE WITH EXPERIENCE and all that shit. You did exactly what you’ve been doing lately with Fields all last offseason, you were posting shit about him being an MVP candidate and how the Bears had an elite offseason and how they were expected to be one of the most improved teams in the league.
It’s insane now to watch you take people to task for expecting the Bears to be better. So obviously illogical that I can’t imagine an adult human doing it.
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Again, I have not been the one bitching and I’m not the one who turned “patience” into a meme.
Well, it's a meme that's well deserved.
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Jobu, you are just so lazy. You literally attach yourself to every stupid meme that pops up here. You’re smarter than that.
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Jobu, you are just so lazy. You literally attach yourself to every stupid meme that pops up here. You’re smarter than that.
Lol, I came up with the patience meme.
You really want to call me lazy, Tempo? I don't think you want to go there...
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Well, it's a meme that's well deserved.
Because a total rebuild should be complete by 8-9 games amirite? JFC you can’t even be serious.
I literally had to point out to you why players that haven’t been drafted or signed yet weren’t helping this years’ team.
“You’d think with all this capital we’d be doing better!”
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Because a total rebuild should be complete by 8-9 games amirite? JFC you can’t even be serious.
I literally had to point out to you why players that haven’t been drafted or signed yet weren’t helping this years’ team.
“You’d think with all this capital we’d be doing better!”
We should have been better. 5-9, to me, is not acceptable. We lost games we should have won. It is what it is.
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Lol, I came up with the patience meme.
You really want to call me lazy, Tempo? I don't think you want to go there...
Go ahead, escalate a fight you started. That’s kind of your thing. Your post about 30 starts and “patience” was a shot at me. Don’t play innocent.
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Because a total rebuild should be complete by 8-9 games amirite? JFC you can’t even be serious.
I literally had to point out to you why players that haven’t been drafted or signed yet weren’t helping this years’ team.
“You’d think with all this capital we’d be doing better!”
Sorry, did you NOT sell the “tons of capital and cap space, huge off-season turnaround” thing all last year? You abso fucking lutely did. You did all of this last year. This was supposed to be the turnaround year, until it wasn’t - and now it was stupid as fuck for anyone to have expected it to be!
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What does Mike Tyson think about the Mooney drop? I bet he thinks he would have caught it.
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We should have been better. 5-9, to me, is not acceptable. We lost games we should have won. It is what it is.
Probably, but this team has not played together a lot. And had a lot of injuries to overcome. They have a lot of young players. You’re not willing to allow for any learning curve? If they are 5-9 year, blast away.
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Once the team got healthy and added Sweat we saw a significant improvement over the first half of the year.
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Go ahead, escalate a fight you started. That’s kind of your thing. Your post about 30 starts and “patience” was a shot at me. Don’t play innocent.
Again, I feel like we all agreed that a QB needs 30 starts in the NFL before we're positive of what we have. That's all I was reference. You escalated from there. Now I'm fucking with you because you're crazy as fuck.
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Probably, but this team has not played together a lot. And had a lot of injuries to overcome. They have a lot of young players. You’re not willing to allow for any learning curve? If they are 5-9 year, blast away.
Pretty sure we all recognize how laughable this is. If the Bears keep Fields and are mediocre and he’s mediocre again next year there is zero doubt you will have another long list of excuses for him.
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What does Mike Tyson think about the Mooney drop? I bet he thinks he would have caught it.
And you just keep going.
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Once the team got healthy and added Sweat we saw a significant improvement over the first half of the year.
The Bears are .500 since they got Montez Sweat.
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Probably, but this team has not played together a lot. And had a lot of injuries to overcome. They have a lot of young players. You’re not willing to allow for any learning curve? If they are 5-9 year, blast away.
NFL teams are actually capable of turning things around quickly. Hell, the Broncos were left for dead after the Miami game. The turned shit around nicely.
The Bears lost games they should have won. That's not debatable. I'm all for young players developing, but it's not against the rules for them to actually win some games.
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Pretty sure we all recognize how laughable this is. If the Bears keep Fields and are mediocre and he’s mediocre again next year there is zero doubt you will have another long list of excuses for him.
Why is it “laughable?” You think integrating 30 new players that had lots of missed training camp time is laughable? You think it’s “laughable” a young team would struggle?
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And you just keep going.
Hell, he probably could have caught it with boxing gloves on.
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Pretty sure we all recognize how laughable this is. If the Bears keep Fields and are mediocre and he’s mediocre again next year there is zero doubt you will have another long list of excuses for him.
You seriously have lost all self-awareness I said next year is it. You apparently can’t read for shit either.
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I can only say so many hundreds of times that moving on from fields is justifiable and that they can do it later if they want to but yet here you are crediting me for things that I haven’t said just like you always accuse me of doing
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And you just keep going.
You deserve it. lol
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NFL teams are actually capable of turning things around quickly. Hell, the Broncos were left for dead after the Miami game. The turned shit around nicely.
The Bears lost games they should have won. That's not debatable. I'm all for young players developing, but it's not against the rules for them to actually win some games.
Yes, it does happen but also most teams aren’t integrating 30 new players and overcoming mass training camp injuries
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You deserve it. lol
And there we go at least you admitted that you’re doing it on purpose
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Why is it “laughable?” You think integrating 30 new players that had lots of missed training camp time is laughable? You think it’s “laughable” a young team would struggle?
I think the Bears, if they’re going to make a big turnaround, will likely have a bunch of new faces again - I think it’s laughable to believe that you will not continue to use things like that as excuses if they continue to be held back by mediocre offense and QB play.
They will have injuries and drops next year, regardless of who the QB is. They will have lots of new faces. All of the things you use as excuses (other than hopefully Getsy) will still be true next year. I think it’s laughable to believe you won’t continue to use them as excuses the same way you have all of this season. IF they keep Fields that is. If they get Caleb you’ve made it clear you will be in no excuses mode from day one.
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As I’ve said many times you’re the kid who fucks with other kids and then acts all shocked when they hit back that’s you exactly
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I think the Bears, if they’re going to make a big turnaround, will likely have a bunch of new faces again - I think it’s laughable to believe that you will not continue to use things like that as excuses if they continue to be held back by mediocre offense and QB play.
They will have injuries and drops next year, regardless of who the QB is. They will have lots of new faces. All of the things you use as excuses (other than hopefully Getsy) will still be true next year. I think it’s laughable to believe you won’t continue to use them as excuses the same way you have all of this season. IF they keep Fields that is. If they get Caleb you’ve made it clear you will be in no excuses mode from day one.
The guy who hates it when I tell him what he thinks is telling me what I think. Gotta love it.
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Yes, it does happen but also most teams aren’t integrating 30 new players and overcoming mass training camp injuries
How the fuck were there so many training camp injuries when Eberflus was running a country club? lol
What does canadian curler Geoff Walker think about the Mooney drop?
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You seriously have lost all self-awareness I said next year is it. You apparently can’t read for shit either.
I don’t believe you, because one year ago today you’d have said the exact same thing.
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As I’ve said many times you’re the kid who fucks with other kids and then acts all shocked when they hit back that’s you exactly
Lol, you're such a pussy. It's laughable.
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Dude, I literally heard reporters on a podcast last week say that it was a miracle they could even hold practice in training camp. I wouldn’t expect it to be that bad next year and even if it is, at least this group will have had a season together you literally turned into PAman with your unrealistic expectations
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Lol, you're such a pussy. It's laughable.
Very mature response
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The guy who hates it when I tell him what he thinks is telling me what I think. Gotta love it.
LOL, I literally asked you a week ago whether there could still be any excuses for Fields next year and you literally started by saying “well if they don’t have injuries and the line plays a bunch of games together”. I wasn’t guessing or anything, you’ve made it clear you will still be willing to excuse poor play with those things next year (if it’s Fields. I don’t think anyone believes you’ll extend that to Caleb Williams at this point)
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Dude, I literally heard reporters on a podcast last week say that it was a miracle they could even hold practice in training camp. I wouldn’t expect it to be that bad next year and even if it is, at least this group will have had a season together you literally turned into PAman with your unrealistic expectations
What does Simone Biles think about the Mooney drop?
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LOL, I literally asked you a week ago whether there could still be any excuses for Fields next year and you literally started by saying “well if they don’t have injuries and the line plays a bunch of games together”. I wasn’t guessing or anything, you’ve made it clear you will still be willing to excuse poor play with those things next year (if it’s Fields. I don’t think anyone believes you’ll extend that to Caleb Williams at this point)
Of course he won't.
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I don’t believe you, because one year ago today you’d have said the exact same thing.
One year ago, my excuse was that they literally tore down the roster they had like 20 something players on one year deals. They traded away every valuable asset, except for Fields and Jaylon. There was no reasonable expectation to win, or even play well last year.
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Well, injuries are literally always a possible excuse. Look at the Rams the year after they won the Super Bowl.
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Very mature response
It's the response you deserve.
I came into this conversation very mildly this morning. You escalated it.
What does Jose Ortiz (jockey) think of the Mooney drop?
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One year ago, my excuse was that they literally tore down the roster they had like 20 something players on one year deals. They traded away every valuable asset, except for Fields and Jaylon. There was no reasonable expectation to win, or even play well last year.
Right, but you’d have said the exact same thing you said in that post. Next year (meaning this year, 2023) is it. But now that it wasn’t, NEXT year (2024) is it.
You’re expecting us to believe that you will stick to that when you already did not stick to it once.
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Well, injuries are literally always a possible excuse. Look at the Rams the year after they won the Super Bowl.
Injuries happen to every NFL team, every week.
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Provided it’s a normal amount of injuries no excuses. If half the team is missing half the year?
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Injuries happen to every NFL team, every week.
No shit Sherlock but you don’t think some teams suffer worse injury seasons than others? It’s all equal? That’s absurd.
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Ask any GM or coach they will literally tell you the best teams are usually the healthiest teams
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No shit Sherlock but you don’t think some teams suffer worse injury seasons than others? It’s all equal? That’s absurd.
I think using them as an excuse for poor play, especially as a means to protect one particular player, is silly. Think I’ve been pretty clear about that. It’s elementary.
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Ask any GM or coach they will literally tell you the best teams are usually the healthiest teams
Are NFL GMs credible though?
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Do you think the Browns and the Jets aren’t suffering worse injuries than others?
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The Rams the year after winning the SB?
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Are NFL GMs credible though?
Only credible person I’m aware of is you
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I still don't get how the fuck there were so many injuries in the Eberflus training camp this past year. I'm not doubting there were, it just seem like there might be a kulture issue with guys coming in out of shape. Or maybe they were pulling hamstrings getting their fat asses up to get another cold beverage.
Good teams overcome injuries. They have depth. They develop players. by week 10, everyone is injured to an extent.
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It's the response you deserve.
I came into this conversation very mildly this morning. You escalated it.
What does Jose Ortiz (jockey) think of the Mooney drop?
Dude, you literally took the first shot and now you are crying like a bitch own your fucking actions
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I still don't get how the fuck there were so many injuries in the Eberflus training camp this past year. I'm not doubting there were, it just seem like there might be a kulture issue with guys coming in out of shape. Or maybe they were pulling hamstrings getting their fat asses up to get another cold beverage.
Good teams overcome injuries. They have depth. They develop players. by week 10, everyone is injured to an extent.
Sometimes shit just happens Travis. Homer is hurt, and that motherfucker hasn’t played at all this year.
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Again, EXPECTING that a team should be a “good” team in season one of a complete rebuild is pretty comically high expectations
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Dude, you literally took the first shot and now you were crying like a bitch own your fucking actions
What are Carlton Fisk's thoughts on the Mooney drop and NFL injuries?
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Again, EXPECTING that a team should be a “good” team in season one of a complete rebuild is pretty comically high expectations
They should be better than 5-9. Just because you accept mediocrity doesn't mean the rest of us have to.
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What are Carlton Fisk's thoughts on the Mooney drop and NFL injuries?
Meme King strike again. Hit me with a Twitter/Parkins pwn.
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They should be better than 5-9.
Probably so. But again it is year one after a complete tear down. if they suck next year, all criticism is fair
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Probably so. But again it is year one after a complete tear down. if they suck next year, all criticism is fair
You're a fucking liar.
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I still don't get how the fuck there were so many injuries in the Eberflus training camp this past year. I'm not doubting there were, it just seem like there might be a kulture issue with guys coming in out of shape. Or maybe they were pulling hamstrings getting their fat asses up to get another cold beverage.
Good teams overcome injuries. They have depth. They develop players. by week 10, everyone is injured to an extent.
Depth? Where?
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And my criticism is fair right god damn now.
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RB depth? Maybe. That would be about it I think.
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Again, EXPECTING that a team should be a “good” team in season one of a complete rebuild is pretty comically high expectations
All last year and off-season you sold “with all their cap space and draft assets and Fields improvement the Bears should be a good team next year” to us.
Now that that did not happen you’re telling us it was comical for us to have expected that.
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Depth? Where?
What do you mean where? Do I have to explain the concept of team depth to you?
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And my criticism is fair right god damn now.
What is Mike Tyson’s take on this?
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What do you mean where? Do I have to explain the concept of team depth to you?
I mean, if “backups” qualify as “depth,” sure. But who are quality depth players on this team?
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What is Mike Tyson’s take on this?
Get on Twitter, find out and let us all know.
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All last year and off-season you sold “with all their cap space and draft assets and Fields improvement the Bears should be a good team next year” to us.
Now that that did not happen you’re telling us it was comical for us to have expected that.
Again, I was optimistic. I am a fan I can’t predict injuries or maybe even fully contemplate how hard it is to incorporate so many new players in one season, especially when they didn’t have a chance to get in a lot of practice at the beginning of the season, PAManJr
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I mean, if “backups” qualify as “depth,” sure. But who are quality depth players on this team?
On the Bears? Well, there aren't any to speak of. And they still should have won more than 5 games.
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Again, I was optimistic. I am a fan I can’t predict injuries or maybe even fully contemplate how hard it is to incorporate so many new players in one season, especially when they didn’t have a chance to get in a lot of practice at the beginning of the season, PAManJr
In other words, you don't really know football
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Get on Twitter, find out and let us all know.
I will wait for your list of quality depth pieces.
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I will wait for your list of quality depth pieces.
You're going to be waiting all day then, I guess
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In other words, you don't really know football
Well, I did win the Mack trade debate, and I was ahead of the curve on Nagy.
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You're going to be waiting all day then, I guess
Exactly as I thought
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Again, I was optimistic. I am a fan I can’t predict injuries or maybe even fully contemplate how hard it is to incorporate so many new players in one season, especially when they didn’t have a chance to get in a lot of practice at the beginning of the season, PAManJr
What I’m saying is, stop acting like the expectation to be better than a top-5 pick type team was unreasonable or comical. YOU sold that to us. This was supposed to be the big turnaround year, both for Fields and the Bears as a whole - that was what YOU said all last year and off-season. Now that it hasn’t happened you’re trying to put it on us as if it was unreasonable to have expected that improvement.
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You're a fucking liar.
That’s nice Mr. cordiality, if they are blowing games like this next year, trust me, I won’t be saying the same things
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That’s nice Mr. cordiality, if they are blowing games like this next year, trust me, I won’t be saying the same things
I do not trust that even a tiny little bit, nor is there any reason to. You have made infinite excuses after insisting all last year there’d be a big turnaround. I see no reason to just “trust” you wouldn’t do the same thing next year.
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That’s nice Mr. cordiality, if they are blowing games like this next year, trust me, I won’t be saying the same things
If Fields is here, you will certainly be saying the same things.
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Leave it to Jobu to not understand that a 53 man roster is not going to be totally rebuilt in a single off-season
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I do not trust that even a tiny little bit, nor is there any reason to. You have made infinite excuses after insisting all last year there’d be a big turnaround. I see no reason to just “trust” you wouldn’t do the same thing next year.
If Caleb Williams is the quarterback, there will be no excuses.
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Leave it to Jobu to not understand that a 53 man roster is not going to be totally rebuilt in a single off-season
Leave it to Tempo to not understand that NFL teams rebuild constantly and are actually capable of turning things around quickly
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If Fields is here, you will certainly be saying the same things.
I doubt it if he has Marvin Harrison, Junior, and better players around him, and one would assume better coaching then he will clearly deserve a much larger share of the blame
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I doubt it if he has Marvin Harrison, Junior, and better players around him, and one would assume better coaching then he will clearly deserve a much larger share of the blame
I don't believe you.
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Leave it to Jobu to not understand that a 53 man roster is not going to be totally rebuilt in a single off-season
It was fucking stupid of you to act all last year and offseason like that was happening then right? Any accountability here other than “I was optimistic, sue me?”
YOU were the one selling that this big corner would be turned this season. Not Jobu - Tempo.
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Leave it to Tempo to not understand that NFL teams rebuild constantly and are actually capable of turning things around quickly
Leave it to Jobu to not understand that this isn’t your traditional rebuild. Most teams aren’t starting from damn near scratch. I’ve been watching football for 45 years and I don’t recall ever watching a team trading away their three best players in one season and having half the team on one year deals.
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It was fucking stupid of you to act all last year and offseason like that was happening then right? Any accountability here other than “I was optimistic, sue me?”
YOU were the one selling that this big corner would be turned this season. Not Jobu - Tempo.
I’m not allowed to be optimistic? In No way did I promise anything. It’s unbelievable how much you sound PAMan
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I doubt it if he has Marvin Harrison, Junior, and better players around him, and one would assume better coaching then he will clearly deserve a much larger share of the blame
Much larger than “literally zero ever” is not encouraging.
I’m curious - why do you think Mooney went from a 1000 yard guy when he was rookie Fields’ WR1 to a guy you think is worth all the criticism you give him as third year Fields’ WR2? Is it possible Fields is going to struggle to consistently feed a WR2 even if it’s Marvin Harrison? What’s the best year a WR2 has had in Fields’ three seasons?
What if Marvin Harrison gets hurt? Will you use that as an excuse? History says “almost certainly”.
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However, I am pretty convinced that this team would’ve done better maybe much better have they not had so many early season injuries but unfortunately I don’t get that luxury here
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Because once the team started getting healthier in the last month, we saw vast improvement
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Leave it to Jobu to not understand that this isn’t your traditional rebuild. Most teams aren’t starting from damn near scratch. I’ve been watching football for 45 years and I don’t recall ever watching a team trading away their three best players in one season and having half the team on one year deals.
Since free agency, teams constantly rebuild. Every fucking year. It's rare nowadays to not have a bunch of new faces on a team. Poles chose to rebuild it this way. That doesn't mean I have to be patient or have to like watching these shitheads lose games that should be won. And I certainly don't have to like watching Fields hold the ball while receivers are running down the field wide open.
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Because once the team started getting healthier in the last month, we saw vast improvement
The Bears are .500 since they got Montez Sweat
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Much larger than “literally zero ever” is not encouraging.
I’m curious - why do you think Mooney went from a 1000 yard guy when he was rookie Fields’ WR1 to a guy you think is worth all the criticism you give him as third year Fields’ WR2? Is it possible Fields is going to struggle to consistently feed a WR2 even if it’s Marvin Harrison? What’s the best year a WR2 has had in Fields’ three seasons?
What if Marvin Harrison gets hurt? Will you use that as an excuse? History says “almost certainly”.
Mooney hasn’t been the same since the injury. Why do you think DJ Moore is having a career year?
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Well, I’m not so narrow minded to think that significant injuries don’t matter
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I’m not allowed to be optimistic? In No way did I promise anything. It’s unbelievable how much you sound PAMan
So no, no accountability for selling the Bears massive improvement all year, and then criticizing others for your own “comical” expectations.
Just “hey I’m a fan, I was optimistic, sue me!”
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Well, I did win the Mack trade debate, and I was ahead of the curve on Nagy.
But you lost on Fields and Flus. You are 2-2. You are Tyson Bagent.
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Mooney hasn’t been the same since the injury. Why do you think DJ Moore is having a career year?
Because he’s easily the most talented WR on the team, he has a QB that struggles to read and process defenses and so often forces it to the first read or hits a check down, and because he is a great YAC guy who can catch a pass at the LOS and take it to the house (which he did a couple different times in the best game so far of Fields’ career).
Why do you think Fields has never had a WR2 have a big year, even when the WR2 is a guy who did have a big year as WR1?
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So no, no accountability for selling the Bears massive improvement all year, and then criticizing others for your own “comical” expectations.
Just “hey I’m a fan, I was optimistic, sue me!”
I can’t predict injuries and how they will impact the integration of 30 new players. Sorry I’m not that prescient.
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Because he’s easily the most talented WR on the team, he has a QB that struggles to read and process defenses and so often forces it to the first read or hits a check down, and because he is a great YAC guy who can catch a pass at the LOS and take it to the house (which he did a couple different times in the best game so far of Fields’ career).
Why do you think Fields has never had a WR2 have a big year, even when the WR2 is a guy who did have a big year as WR1?
If their success were volume based you’d have a better point, their efficiency together is through the roof
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I can’t predict injuries and how they will impact the integration of 30 new players. Sorry I’m not that prescient.
Yes you have a list of excuses for why you can’t be held accountable for your own expectations this year
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And for the 7,392nd time I have conceded that Fields needs to see and read things better but I think that is something that can be improved on.
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Jalen hurts is going through the same criticism right now and oh by the way he’s leading the league in turnovers
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And for the 7,392nd time I have conceded that Fields needs to see and read things better but I think that is something that can be improved on.
It can be improved on, but I don't have confidence that he will improve. At all.
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And for the 7,392nd time I have conceded that Fields needs to see and read things better but I think that is something that can be improved on.
Can you name someone that made a big jump in terms of reading and processing a defense between years 3 and 4?
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Jalen hurts is going through the same criticism right now and oh by the way he’s leading the league in turnovers
Who gives a fuck? What does that have to do with the Bears situation?
What does Tom Izzo think of the Mooney drop?
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The predicted, but didn't EXPECT, 10-7 is pure gold, Jerry!
And now that Flus et al. are in trouble of losing their jobs we get talking up injuries in training camp to a flurry of sycophantic "media." Injuries that were never reported on during Country Club Training Camp. Only a fool, or a FFF, or both, falls for this after-the-fact shit. It does not get any better than Tempo flailing.
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Has anyone asked Belichick about the comments Chris Chelios made about the Mooney drop?
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It can be improved on, but I don't have confidence that he will improve. At all.
Well congrats on having an opinion. Maybe you should call Ryan Poles and share your conclusions?
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I was fully aware things could go poorly this year. I wouldn’t have put any real money on 10 wins.
PAMan had us winning the SB.
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Well congrats on having an opinion. Maybe you should call Ryan Poles and share your conclusions?
Why would I do that? lol weird
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I had heard about training camp
Injuries. Did not realize they were so significant. Plus, Nate Davis basically didn’t attend. Dying mother and all.
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Why would I do that? lol weird
Well you just seemed pretty sure. Wouldn’t want to waste quality intel.
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I was fully aware things could go poorly this year. I wouldn’t have put any real money on 10 wins.
PAMan had us winning the SB.
You’d have argued me to death if I’d said “Fields will be mediocre and the Bears will start 5-9.” Just like you aren’t willing to hear any criticism of Fields without an argument right now, you weren’t willing to hear anything of the sort without arguing all last offseason.
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Well you just seemed pretty sure. Wouldn’t want to waste quality intel.
So I'm not entitled to an opinion. Got it.
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So I'm not entitled to an opinion. Got it.
No, you for sure are. Just know that it’s no better than Mike Tyson’s or Chris Chelios’.
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No, you for sure are. Just know that it’s no better than Mike Tyson’s or Chris Chelios’.
Never claimed it was. But you know that.
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You’d have argued me to death if I’d said “Fields will be mediocre and the Bears will start 5-9.” Just like you aren’t willing to hear any criticism of Fields without an argument right now, you weren’t willing to hear anything of the sort without arguing all last offseason.
I probably would have underestimated the level of Bears suck across the board, yes.
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I will never not think it's amazing that you actually came here with Chris Chelios and how he thinks Mooney should have caught it. So fucking good.
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I was also maybe mildly hoping that Chase Claypool wouldn’t be a total and utter disaster who was shipped off within a few weeks
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I will never not think it's amazing that you actually came here with Chris Chelios and how he thinks Mooney should have caught it. So fucking good.
I did that on purpose, because Spark thinks his opinion is the only one that’s credible
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I will never not think it's amazing that you actually came here with Chris Chelios and how he thinks Mooney should have caught it. So fucking good.
Same, that’s an all-timer
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I did that on purpose, because Spark thinks his opinion is the only one that’s credible
Haha, ok.
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I mean Troy Aikman, he’s not credible at all am I right? Spark clearly knows better than he does!
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I did that on purpose, because Spark thinks his opinion is the only one that’s credible
“I did the laughable thing but I actually did it because of an opinion I made up and attributed to spark”
This guy is an excuse machine
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I was also maybe mildly hoping that Chase Claypool wouldn’t be a total and utter disaster who was shipped off within a few weeks
One of my favorites is how you were pissed when the trade happened, Parkins said he was good with it, your stance softened, then you once again hated it. The roller coaster and mental gymnastics you went through with that was fucking hilarious.
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I mean Troy Aikman, he’s not credible at all am I right? Spark clearly knows better than he does!
Spark never said that, and you fucking know it. lol
Look at Tempo reinterpreting words! Haha, what an amazing debate tactic.
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We traded the 32nd pick in the draft for Chase Claypool. Even the most cynical person couldn’t have predicted how badly that would go. He was supposed to be someone that could help this offense take the next step. But hey, no excuses! Amirite?
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We traded the 32nd pick in the draft for Chase Claypool. Even the most cynical person couldn’t have predicted how badly that would go. He was supposed to be someone that could help this offense take the next step. But hey, no excuses! Amirite?
I, and many others, knew that he was a dipshit and bringing him into the locker room was a huge risk. So, yes. I was actually *gasp* ahead of the curve on that one.
I know others can't be allowed to be AOTC on here, but it happened.
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Spark never said that, and you fucking know it. lol
Look at Tempo reinterpreting words! Haha, what an amazing debate tactic.
He bent over backwards to dismiss Troy Aikman’s comments. Even digging into some of Aikman’s failed takes. We all have them. Spark once stanned for Trubisky and Nagy.
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He bent over backwards to dismiss Troy Aikman’s comments. Even digging into some of Aikman’s failed takes. We all have them. Spark once stanned for Trubisky and Nagy.
So what? He never said Aikman's opinions and takes were not credible. Being wrong and not being credible are different things.
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I, and many others, knew that he was a dipshit and bringing him into the locker room was a huge risk. So, yes. I was actually *gasp* ahead of the curve on that one.
I know others can't be allowed to be AOTC on here, but it happened.
I said it was a bad trade from the get go. I even pointed out he was a knucklehead on this forum before he got traded to the Bears. But he is talented, and no one could have predicted how badly that would go. If you’re saying you expected him to be unloaded for a 6th or 7th rounder 8 or 9 games into his Bear career you’re full of shit.
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We can't all be right about everything all the time, like Tempo.
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I said it was a bad trade from the get go. I even pointed out he was a knucklehead on this forum before he got traded to the Bears. But he is talented, and no one could have predicted how badly that would go. If you’re saying you expected him to be unloaded for a 6th or 7th rounder 8 or 9 games into his Bear career you’re full of shit.
I said it was a huge risk. Nothing more.
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And I hated the trade too. But I didn't soften or back pedal when Parkins gushed about it.
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I said it was a bad trade from the get go. I even pointed out he was a knucklehead on this forum before he got traded to the Bears. But he is talented, and no one could have predicted how badly that would go. If you’re saying you expected him to be unloaded for a 6th or 7th rounder 8 or 9 games into his Bear career you’re full of shit.
Chris Chelios is a far better Board Historian than you are...
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I mean Troy Aikman, he’s not credible at all am I right? Spark clearly knows better than he does!
Never said that, of course, but Troy Aikman has obviously been wrong about QB stuff lots of times.
He was sure Mitch Trubisky and Josh Rosen were franchise QBs - was he credible then? Or is he only credible now that he agrees with you?
If he’s wrong again about Fields will you still think he’s credible? If he says nice things about Caleb Williams and I post them here will you agree with him because he’s credible?
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And I hated the trade too. But I didn't soften or back pedal when Parkins gushed about it.
Congrats. I merely came to accept why it would have been made. Never loved it. But at least you could justify it at the time.
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Never said that, of course, but Troy Aikman has obviously been wrong about QB stuff lots of times.
He was sure Mitch Trubisky and Josh Rosen were franchise QBs - was he credible then? Or is he only credible now that he agrees with you?
If he’s wrong again about Fields will you still think he’s credible? If he says nice things about Caleb Williams and I post them here will you agree with him because he’s credible?
I remember when you gushed about Nagy and Trubisky. And berated me for months about how the Mack trade was such a great move. Does it only count when others are wrong?
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Yes, he will always be “credible.” Do you think credible means “infallible?”
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I remember when you gushed about Nagy and Trubisky. And berated me for months about how the Mack trade was such a great move. Does it only count when others are wrong?
You’re an absolutely TERRIBLE debater dude. When you can’t answer a question you just flail like this to avoid it instead, it’s hilariously transparent.
You didn’t post Troy Aikman’s opinion because it was “credible”, and not one person here is stupid enough to believe you did.
You posted it because he agreed with you.
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Yes, he will always be “credible.” Do you think credible means “infallible?”
I think it’s pretty clear that in this circumstance you are using it to mean “agrees with me”.
My evidence is that when a Bears beat writer said something you didn’t agree with you stated outright that you are more credible than he is.
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You’re an absolutely TERRIBLE debater dude. When you can’t answer a question you just flail like this to avoid it instead, it’s hilariously transparent.
You didn’t post Troy Aikman’s opinion because it was “credible”, and not one person here is stupid enough to believe you did.
You posted it because he agreed with you.
Of course, I posted his opinion because it agreed with mine. Should I post the opinions of people who disagree with me? WTF kind of point is that? All I ever tried to to convey to you is that there are people who aren’t football stupid who disagree with you. As if I would cite someone who agrees with you and disagrees with me? JFC what are we doing here?
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“You know Tempo, when you tried to
make the case that some people feel differently than I (Spark) do, you posted the thoughts of someone who agreed with you.”
JFC is this really a “point?”
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I think it’s pretty clear that in this circumstance you are using it to mean “agrees with me”.
My evidence is that when a Bears beat writer said something you didn’t agree with you stated outright that you are more credible than he is.
And disagrees with you. Which is the larger fucking point. Not everyone who knows a little bit about football agrees with Spark. That’s the only fucking point I tried to make.
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Of course, I posted his opinion because it agreed with mine. Should I post the opinions of people who disagree with me? WTF kind of point is that? All I ever tried to to convey to you is that there are people who aren’t football stupid who disagree with you. As if I would cite someone who agrees with you and disagrees with me? JFC what are we doing here?
You JUST tried to invalidate my opinion because I liked Trubisky after he led the Bears to the playoffs. But when Aikman did it, you didn’t question his credibility at all - in fact you sarcastically asked if I thought it meant he was infallible.
The only determining factor to you in terms of “credibility” is that someone agrees with your view on a topic. That’s it. If they don’t - even if they self evidently are far more credible than you - you will say outright that you are more credible.
I’ll acknowledge Troy Aikman is credible even though he was wrong about the past QBs. The NFL GMs who disagree with you are credible too, maybe even more credible than Aikman, but you don’t put the same weight on their opinions (because they disagree with you. Brad Biggs is infinitely more credible than you in terms of having visibility into the Bears’ FO but you point out he was wrong about something last year (he’s not infallible) and he disagrees with you, so you are more credible.
It’s just so transparent. Credibility isn’t determined by whether someone agrees with your opinion.
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And disagrees with you. Which is the larger fucking point. Not everyone who knows a little bit about football agrees with Spark. That’s the only fucking point I tried to make.
You’ve so far done an absolutely abysmal job making that “point”.
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I was joking about Brad Biggs. Of course he knows more about the Bears than I do. He’s also gotten shit wrong. So apparently his insight
Isnt infallible.
He had the Bears drafting Jalen Carter at 1 and then again at 9. So maybe he’s not the insider you like to think he is?
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“You know Tempo, when you tried to
make the case that some people feel differently than I (Spark) do, you posted the thoughts of someone who agreed with you.”
JFC is this really a “point?”
I don’t know man, find somebody who said it and ask maybe?
It’s not me.
My point was about your rants about “credibility”. What you mean when you say someone is “credible” is “they agree with me on this”.
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You’ve so far done an absolutely abysmal job making that “point”.
Only because you won’t fucking listen. Nowhere did I paint Troy Aikman as infallible, and OF COURSE I’m going to cite someone who agrees with me (as a counter point to you who disagrees with me). FFS I can’t believe this conversation is happening. This is me explaining future Bears to Jobu level shit.
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I was joking about Brad Biggs. Of course he knows more about the Bears than I do. He’s also gotten shit wrong. So apparently his insight
Isnt infallible.
He had the Bears drafting Jalen Carter at 1 and then again at 9. So maybe he’s not the insider you like to think he is?
You were NOT joking hahahaha do not try to move the goalposts like that.
Biggs needs to be infallible to maintain credibility, but others don’t? I don’t get it, you JUST told me that credibility =\= infallibility, and yet Biggs being wrong about one thing last offseason makes you question his credibility.
Anyway, it’s not worth arguing about - you’re not “passing”. Everyone here can see what on basis you’re deciding someone’s credibility.
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I was joking about Brad Biggs. Of course he knows more about the Bears than I do. He’s also gotten shit wrong. So apparently his insight
Isnt infallible.
He had the Bears drafting Jalen Carter at 1 and then again at 9. So maybe he’s not the insider you like to think he is?
I’m not sure Brad Biggs is more credible than me. I knew he was dumb as shit when he said the Bears were likely to draft Jalen Carter #1 because he wasn’t convinced there would be much interest in the top pick.
He blasted the “lose out crowd” last year with like 4 games to go. Because he thought they should be “learning how to win.” Any person with an iQ above 12 knew the roster would be dramatically different this year. He’s just not a very forward thinking journalist IMO. He’s an even more boring leather helmet take guy than Hub Arkush.
You absolutely was not joking about Brad Biggs. Stop lying.
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“You know Tempo, when you cited someone who disagreed with me, I happened to notice they agreed with you. Pretty sus.” - Spark Mandrill
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Only because you won’t fucking listen. Nowhere did I paint Troy Aikman as infallible, and OF COURSE I’m going to cite someone who agrees with me (as a counter point to you who disagrees with me). FFS I can’t believe this conversation is happening. This is me explaining future Bears to Jobu level shit.
Correct - you’re just as bad at this argument as you are at that one.
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“You know Tempo, when you cited someone who disagreed with me, I happened to notice they agreed with you. Pretty sus.” - Spark Mandrill
Should I start making up quotes and attributing them to you? My guess is you won’t like that.
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“You know Tempo, when you cited someone who disagreed with me, I happened to notice they agreed with you. Pretty sus.” - Spark Mandrill
Sus? What the fuck are you, an 18 year old boy?
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You absolutely was not joking about Brad Biggs. Stop lying.
I was joking. And I’m pretty sure he’s not gettin fed inside info or he’d have not been spectacularly wrong on Jalen Carter. They literally gave him to the Eagles. Because as Spark said “they didn’t want him.”
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I was joking. And I’m pretty sure he’s not gettin fed inside info or he’d have not been spectacularly wrong on Jalen Carter. They literally gave him to the Eagles. Because as Spark said “they didn’t want him.”
You're full of shit.
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Jesus Christ. It's 11:30 already, and I haven't gotten shit done for work. I really didn't need to get suckered into this shit today lol.
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You're full of shit.
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mock-drafts/2023/chicago-tribune-2023-brad-biggs?date=2023-04-26
(https://i.postimg.cc/5y0rJd4F/IMG-6006.png) (https://postimg.cc/zbs7wQRJ)
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I was joking. And I’m pretty sure he’s not gettin fed inside info or he’d have not been spectacularly wrong on Jalen Carter. They literally gave him to the Eagles. Because as Spark said “they didn’t want him.”
You are not telling the truth about this. You were absolutely not joking
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JFC you guys can’t be this dense. Never heard of sarcasm? You really think that I think that I know better than a Bears beat reporter? My only point was that Biggs isn’t infallible. I’ve been right on things he got wrong. Of course I don’t have better overall insight than someone who is at Halas Hall every day. Doesn’t mean he can’t be wrong. I just showed he was wrong about last years’ first pick. Spectacularly so.
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https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mock-drafts/2023/chicago-tribune-2023-brad-biggs?date=2023-04-26
(https://i.postimg.cc/5y0rJd4F/IMG-6006.png) (https://postimg.cc/zbs7wQRJ)
Ok. Brad's mock draft? Why do I give a shit?
You were not fucking joking about Biggs. Again, stop lying.
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JFC you guys can’t be this dense. Never heard of sarcasm? You really think that I think that I know better than a Bears beat reporter? My only point was that Biggs isn’t infallible. I’ve been right on things he got wrong. Of course I don’t have better overall insight than someone who is at Halas Hall every day. Doesn’t mean he can’t be wrong. I just showed he was wrong about last years’ first pick. Spectacularly so.
Lol
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You are not telling the truth about this. You were absolutely not joking
Yeah, you’re right. I think I know more than a guy who spends 30 hours a week at Halas Hall.
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This could be even dumber than the Troy Aikman argument.
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Yeah, you’re right. I think I know more than a guy who spends 30 hours a week at Halas Hall.
That's exactly what the fuck you think
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Yeah, because I’ve never used sarcasm before. JFC this argument is stupid.
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Yeah, because I’ve never used sarcasm before. JFC this argument is stupid.
If you were being sarcastic, it sure didn't come through in that post.
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If you were being sarcastic, it sure didn't come through in that post.
Well, that’s a talented use of sarcasm then
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It’s pretty hilarious that you guys think that I think that I actually know more about what’s going on at Halas Hall, than a guy who literally works there.
My only point is, it’s not a given that he’s a mouthpiece for the organization
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Well, that’s a talented use of sarcasm then
No, it's you being full of shit and moving the goalposts.
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I was joking. And I’m pretty sure he’s not gettin fed inside info or he’d have not been spectacularly wrong on Jalen Carter. They literally gave him to the Eagles. Because as Spark said “they didn’t want him.”
I was joking but I was also right
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If he had all this inside info, he probably wouldn’t have predicted Jalen Carter to the Bears, am I wrong about that?
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Same guy who doubted the Bears would get any decent offers for the number one pick. I’ll bet Ryan Poles never felt that way.
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If he had all this inside info, he probably wouldn’t have predicted Jalen Carter to the Bears, am I wrong about that?
Depends - is credibility the same as infallibility?
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Depends - is credibility the same as infallibility?
Not even in the least.
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So you made my point. He could be wrong.
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The Bears are .500 since they got Montez Sweat.
And when Bagent started at QB…
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And when Bagent started at QB…
Lololololololololol
Thank you for that.
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So you made my point. He could be wrong.
Sorry, did I ever say he literally could not be wrong?
You literally make 15-20 strawmen a day arguing about this.
I’m willing to argue with you using “your logic”, but “your logic” shifts wildly based on whether the outcome confirms or contradicts your preconceptions.
I tend to think Aikman is credible about QB play, but he has been and easily could again be wrong. Bears beat writers are also likely credible about the Bears FO thinking, but have been and easily could again be wrong.
You agree with one of those things and disagree with the other, and the deciding factor is whether they agree with you or not. It’s stupid as hell.
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Should I start making up quotes and attributing them to you? My guess is you won’t like that.
But thats EXACTLY what you are saying. How do you not see this? “You only cited Aikman because he agreed with you!” Duh?
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Sus? What the fuck are you, an 18 year old boy?
Again, sarcasm. I guess you just don’t really understand how it’s used.
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Sarcasm used for comedic effect? Only funny if the audience gets it I guess.
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Jesus Christ. It's 11:30 already, and I haven't gotten shit done for work. I really didn't need to get suckered into this shit today lol.
I’ve gotten zero sleep. And now have been asked to do a big favor this afternoon. No sleep for me. Not what I planned.
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But thats EXACTLY what you are saying. How do you not see this? “You only cited Aikman because he agreed with you!” Duh?
There has never in my life been someone worse at interpreting “exactly what (I am) saying”. Never. You are beyond terrible at it.
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The Bears are .500 since they got Montez Sweat.
.500 (and a couple of other close calls that should have been wins) isn’t significantly better than the first 5-6 games?
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Sarcasm used for comedic effect? Only funny if the audience gets it I guess.
I wouldn't necessarily call it sarcasm. But I'm not an expert on these things.
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The defense hasn’t been significantly improved over the first 7 or so games???
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I wouldn't necessarily call it sarcasm. But I'm not an expert on these things.
Clearly.
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Oh look Tempo, it’s your buddy Dan’s opinion! Bet you won’t like this one though…
https://x.com/pete_martuneac/status/1737880603469509123?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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There has never in my life been someone worse at interpreting “exactly what (I am) saying”. Never. You are beyond terrible at it.
You literally busted my balls dozens of times for citing “someone that agrees with you (me)!” And I supposed to cite people who disagree with me when making a counter argument? JFC
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Oh look Tempo, it’s your buddy Dan’s opinion! Bet you won’t like this one though…
https://x.com/pete_martuneac/status/1737880603469509123?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Oh look. A guy waffling and riding the hot take wave. I for one am shocked.
Orlovsky has been Fields apologist number one. Now there's this. He's worse than Parkins.
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All I did is say “See, not every credible voice sees it the same way,” and provided an example. How is this so fucking controversial????????
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I guess when making my argument I should have used an example of someone who disagreed with me…
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Well...that's not all you did. If that were true, then this thread wouldn't be over 200 pages lol
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I’m not sure, but I think Orlovsky was a heavy Fields critic who had recently “come around,” but I don’t speak for him. And I wouldn’t put it past him to waffle.
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I guess when making my argument I should have used an example of someone who disagreed with me…
Honestly, that's a legit technique. Find one that disagrees with you, and argue against it. To me, that's more powerful than finding every single nutcase on Twitter that has a crush on Justin Fields and linking it.
That's like telling everyone "I've done my own research" and only reading articles that support your beliefs.
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Well...that's not all you did. If that were true, then this thread wouldn't be over 200 pages lol
That is literally all I did. I tried to show Spark that not every person who knows something about the NFL agrees. I never tried to make any other point. I never tried to say “How could you EVER disagree with Troy Aikman!” That’s bullshit. Never said that. In the least.
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.500 (and a couple of other close calls that should have been wins) isn’t significantly better than the first 5-6 games?
It’s better than a total dumpster fire, yeah - if that’s the standard then yes keep Fields. Makes sense if the bar is set at “better than the worst in the league”.
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Honestly, that's a legit technique. Find one that disagrees with you, and argue against it.
You mean like Spark…
And everyone else here…
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If I had said “I don’t think Troy Aikman is any more credible than I am - after all, he said Mitch and Rosen were franchise QBs” and we argued about that for a week and then a week later said “I was joking” would you believe me?
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I’m not sure, but I think Orlovsky was a heavy Fields critic who had recently “come around,” but I don’t speak for him. And I wouldn’t put it past him to waffle.
He works for ESPN. He does what they tell him and he cashes checks. None of the talking head shit is real. Do you really think Stephen A. believes half of the shit he spews? Fuck no
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You mean like Spark…
And everyone else here…
You will notice that I have pretty much never grasped for some Twitter account or “credible” media source that agrees with me to support my view. I didn’t even bring up Brad Biggs.
My opinions are based on having watched the games. I don’t need to justify them by saying “look Otis Nixon agrees with me!”
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I’ve said a thousand times now your opinion is valid. As are the opinions of some who disagree with you. Don’t know how much more plain I can get.
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You mean like Spark…
And everyone else here…
No, that's not what I meant. Link a tweet or article that you're against, and argue your position.
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You will notice that I have pretty much never grasped for some Twitter account or “credible” media source that agrees with me to support my view. I didn’t even bring up Brad Biggs.
My opinions are based on having watched the games. I don’t need to justify them by saying “look Otis Nixon agrees with me!”
Kudos to you. Why would you seek others’ opinions when you are so sure of your own?
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That is literally all I did. I tried to show Spark that not every person who knows something about the NFL agrees. I never tried to make any other point. I never tried to say “How could you EVER disagree with Troy Aikman!” That’s bullshit. Never said that. In the least.
That's not literally all you did. You're being disingenuous.
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My opinion clearly doesn’t matter to you. So I offered someone else’s.
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If I had said “I don’t think Troy Aikman is any more credible than I am - after all, he said Mitch and Rosen were franchise QBs” and we argued about that for a week and then a week later said “I was joking” would you believe me?
Nope
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You will notice that I have pretty much never grasped for some Twitter account or “credible” media source that agrees with me to support my view. I didn’t even bring up Brad Biggs.
My opinions are based on having watched the games. I don’t need to justify them by saying “look Otis Nixon agrees with me!”
Do you know what Otis Nixon's full name is?
Otis Junior Nixon Jr. No shit.
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So anyone who’s ever been wrong on an evaluation isn’t credible. That’s a really really high standard. Fire Kyle Shanahan now. Clearly incompetent.
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My opinion clearly doesn’t matter to you. So I offered someone else’s.
My opinion doesn't matter to you! And I don't give a shit lol
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That's not literally all you did. You're being disingenuous.
Pray tell what else did I do?
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So anyone who’s ever been wrong on an evaluation isn’t credible. That’s a really really high standard. Fire Kyle Shanahan now. Clearly incompetent.
Who said that? Because if that were true, nobody would be credible.
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Pray tell what else did I do?
Reread the thread. If you can't figure it out, I can't help you.
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Kudos to you. Why would you seek others’ opinions when you are so sure of your own?
I don’t find “grab any opinion that confirms my bias and post it and then argue about the source’s credibility” to be a very good or interesting style of debate. Obviously it would not be difficult to find those sorts of sources that agree with me, but I don’t find “see, x agrees with me and I bet they know a little more about football than Tempo34!” to be a compelling argument in the least.
You act like you “seek out other opinions other than your own” as a means to do something other than confirm your preconception but I think we can all see that isn’t the case.
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So anyone who’s ever been wrong on an evaluation isn’t credible. That’s a really really high standard. Fire Kyle Shanahan now. Clearly incompetent.
It’s absolutely incredible how many times a day you attribute a view to others that NO ONE said, write the whole thing out and hit send and never even ask yourself “wait, did anyone say this?”
I would also point out that you are doing EXACTLY this with Brad Biggs.
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My opinion doesn't matter to you! And I don't give a shit lol
It matters more when you don’t include the jabs. Which you went there first. Sorry, you just did.
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My opinion clearly doesn’t matter to you. So I offered someone else’s.
Hahahahahahaha
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It’s absolutely incredible how many times a day you attribute a view to others that NO ONE said, write the whole thing out and hit send and never even ask yourself “wait, did anyone say this?”
I would also point out that you are doing EXACTLY this with Brad Biggs. He was wrong about the Bears’ draft pick last year so he’s no more credible than me!
It is absolutely incredible how you go around in circles saying you didn’t say shit you so obviously are implying. Why bring up his busted takes then (Aikman).
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There is a major difference. Aikman is giving an evaluation. An opinion. You’re implying Biggs has inside info. That is two totally different things.
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It matters more when you don’t include the jabs. Which you went there first. Sorry, you just did.
Yeah, Tempo34 never includes jabs in anything. lol Jesus
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Yeah, Tempo34 never includes jabs in anything. lol Jesus
I have I try not to go there first and if I do, I’ll often own it
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It is absolutely incredible how you go around in circles saying you didn’t say shit you so obviously are implying. Why bring up his busted takes then (Aikman).
Why bring up that Biggs was wrong about the Bears draft?
To point out that credibility doesn’t mean he is right, and that “and I bet he knows more about QB play than spark mandrill” is not a compelling argument in the least.
You were far more right about Mitch than Aikman was and if I’d used him as a “credible” voice to argue against you at the time you’d still be talking about it. Because to you, credibility is exclusively based on whether someone agrees with you about the current issue.
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But again, opinions and inside info are not the same thing
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There is a major difference. Aikman is giving an evaluation. An opinion. You’re implying Biggs has inside info. That is two totally different things.
Honestly, with all the concussions, it's a miracle Aikman can still talk, let alone put together a thought. Kudos to him.
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There is a major difference. Aikman is giving an evaluation. An opinion. You’re implying Biggs has inside info. That is two totally different things.
I’m 100% sure the day I posted it first that Aikman flat out said he did not have inside info just giving the impression that he got
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There is a major difference. Aikman is giving an evaluation. An opinion. You’re implying Biggs has inside info. That is two totally different things.
I’m saying (not implying) that Brad Biggs is more credible and has more visibility regarding the Bears’ FO thought process than Tempo34. You explicitly disagreed, because he was wrong about something last year.
Any inference you made beyond that is not my problem. I say what I mean, you simply ignore that and argue against what you wish I meant.
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I have I try not to go there first and if I do, I’ll often own it
Whatever, dude. I own my shit too. Again, today, I was not trying to get into it with you. It is what it is.
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Honestly, with all the concussions, it's a miracle Aikman can still talk, let alone put together a thought. Kudos to him.
Ive thought the same thing
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Whatever, dude. I own my shit too. Again, today, I was not trying to get into it with you. It is what it is.
Well you fired the first shot, so it is what it is.
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I’m saying (not implying) that Brad Biggs is more credible and has more visibility regarding the Bears’ FO thought process than Tempo34. You explicitly disagreed, because he was wrong about something last year.
Any inference you made beyond that is not my problem. I say what I mean, you simply ignore that and argue against what you wish I meant.
Right, and then I suggested he *could* be wrong you ridiculed me nonstop. So there’s that.
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You clearly ridiculed me implying that he had some inside info, and that I was a clown not to accept it
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He is not a mouthpiece for the organization. I’m fairly certain he could be wrong.
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Right, and then I suggested he *could* be wrong you ridiculed me nonstop. So there’s that.
I have never ever ever “ridiculed” you for suggesting he could be wrong, never.
I have ridiculed you for saying outright that you are more credible than him Re: Bears front office stuff yeah, and rightfully so.
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Well you fired the first shot, so it is what it is.
I think you may have over reacted just a little bit. But instead of talking about it, you fired off 4 in a row, basically chewing my ass out. What the fuck am I supposed to do in that instance?
I really wasn't looking for a fight. We talked about 30 starts for quarterbacks as a benchmark, and you have constantly preached patience. This is shit that you have said. I felt like you might be going back on all of that. You chose to go scorched earth.
You can say I started it, and you could be right. But it didn't have to get where it got. You basically lost it on me and started firing off crazy shit and I was like, Jesus. lol
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He is not a mouthpiece for the organization. I’m fairly certain he could be wrong.
Well the next person who comes along and says WELL BRAD BIGGS COULDNT BE WRONG we will let them know
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You clearly ridiculed me implying that he had some inside info, and that I was a clown not to accept it
Nope, this is not true.
You don’t care though. If you’ve gotta lie about what a friend said, that’s a small price to pay to win an argument on IlliniHQ2.
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I have never ever ever “ridiculed” you for suggesting he could be wrong, never.
I have ridiculed you for saying outright that you are more credible than him Re: Bears front office stuff yeah, and rightfully so.
I am about 1,000,000% sure I was ridiculed before saying that otherwise I’d have never gone there
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I think you may have over reacted just a little bit. But instead of talking about it, you fired off 4 in a row, basically chewing my ass out. What the fuck am I supposed to do in that instance?
I really wasn't looking for a fight. We talked about 30 starts for quarterbacks as a benchmark, and you have constantly preached patience. This is shit that you have said. I felt like you might be going back on all of that. You chose to go scorched earth.
You can say I started it, and you could be right. But it didn't have to get where it got. You basically lost it on me and started firing off crazy shit and I was like, Jesus. lol
I suspect he is going to push back really hard on any viewpoint that doesn’t require a new QB next year to be an instant MVP candidate
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My guess would be I would’ve said something along the lines of he could be wrong, and then I got ridiculed, and then I started to sarcastically suggest that I was just as informed as he was which clearly I’m not, but that doesn’t mean he’s right
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I suspect he is going to push back really hard on any viewpoint that doesn’t require a new QB next year to be an instant MVP candidate
Yet another example of spark, doing what he always accuses me of doing can’t make this up
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My guess would be I would’ve said something along the lines of he could be wrong, and then I got ridiculed, and then I started to sarcastically suggest that I was just as informed as he was which clearly I’m not, but that doesn’t mean he’s right
Well, you spend so much time reinterpreting and making shit up that you don't know what the fuck happened and what didn't. lol
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Yet another example of spark, doing what he always accuses me of doing can’t make this up
It was sarcasm. Duh
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My guess would be I would’ve said something along the lines of he could be wrong, and then I got ridiculed, and then I started to sarcastically suggest that I was just as informed as he was which clearly I’m not, but that doesn’t mean he’s right
You can guess whatever you’d like. I was there, jobu just reposted it. You weren’t kidding, you weren’t being sarcastic, nobody ever said he couldn’t be wrong or ridiculed you for saying he could be.
I ridiculed you for ranting about Aikman’s credibility and hand waving away a credible source that disagreed with you, and in response you told me you were actually more credible than the Bears beat writer because he was wrong about the draft last year
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It was sarcasm. Duh
No, it wasn’t…
See how that works?
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Yeah you’re right you busted me I think that I’m more informed than someone who spends their time covering the Bears full-time you got me. The only thing I ever said was that he’s been wrong before and I’m not convinced he’s giving inside info.
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Yet another example of spark, doing what he always accuses me of doing can’t make this up
Huh? I said I suspect you will do that. I see you planting the seeds of it already.
I did not do what you do at all. If I had it’d have looked like this;
“Any non Fields QB needs to be perfect next year and win every game or he deserves every bit of criticism” - Tempo
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No, it wasn’t…
See how that works?
I was being sarcastic. Lol
Hey, if you can make the claim, so can I. See how that works?
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Yeah you’re right you busted me I think that I’m more informed than someone who spends their time covering the Bears full-time you got me. The only thing I ever said was that he’s been wrong before and I’m not convinced he’s giving inside info.
To the contrary you explicitly said you were just as credible as him. That is a thing you said.
Now you’re trying to backpedal and do the I WAS JOKING thing obviously, but that is a thing you said without question.
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But for some reason his opinion is “unassailable.”
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But for some reason his opinion is “unassailable.”
Again, nobody said that. Yet you put it in quotes.
Weird.
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But for some reason his opinion is “unassailable.”
Who are you quoting here?
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How about this for a turn of events? I have just apparently stumbled into two bears tickets and I am offering one to Joe boo or Spark if they want it but it’s for Christmas Eve this week
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Free ticket
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How about this for a turn of events? I have just apparently stumbled into two bears tickets and I am offering one to Joe boo or Spark if they want it but it’s for Christmas Eve this week
Sounds fun - if the offer is legit I appreciate it sincerely.
I can’t do it though, have family stuff. I’ll look for you on TV, I assume you’ll be wearing a “H1M” Fields jersey :)
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How about this for a turn of events? I have just apparently stumbled into two bears tickets and I am offering one to Joe boo or Spark if they want it but it’s for Christmas Eve this week
I'm out. Family shit. Thanks for the offer
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Who are you quoting here?
Well, I was mocked for not buying into his opinion whole cloth
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Well, I was mocked for not buying into his opinion whole cloth
Pretty sure that didn't happen lol
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Pretty sure that didn't happen lol
Jesus get me whatever prescription you’re on
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Well, I was mocked for not buying into his opinion whole cloth
Nope. You weren’t.
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Nope. You weren’t.
Then, what the hell was all the back-and-forth about?
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Then, what the hell was all the back-and-forth about?
You were mocked for saying you were just as credible as the beat writer Re: Bears FO stuff because he was wrong about the draft last year - the same thing I said at the time and also five minutes ago the last time you tried this
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Guarantee you this is how it went down
You (or one of the others): “Brad Biggs said…”
Me: “You know, Brad Biggs has been wrong before…”
You: Like you’d know better than Brad Biggs!”
It couldn’t have gone much differently.
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You were mocked for saying you were just as credible as the beat writer Re: Bears FO stuff because he was wrong about the draft last year - the same thing I said at the time and also five minutes ago the last time you tried this
I’m about 1,000,000% sure I only said that after not accepting his opinion whole cloth
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Sounds fun - if the offer is legit I appreciate it sincerely.
I can’t do it though, have family stuff. I’ll look for you on TV, I assume you’ll be wearing a “H1M” Fields jersey :)
It’s legit. I just was offered them about 20 minutes ago.
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Guarantee you this is how it went down
You (or one of the others): “Brad Biggs said…”
Me: “You know, Brad Biggs has been wrong before…”
You: Like you’d know better than Brad Biggs!”
It couldn’t have gone much differently.
If only the exact post had already been posted here this morning when you pretended to have been joking.
Guess we’ll never know and just have to assume that your interpretation of events was flawless
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I don’t own any jerseys. I was trying to find my kid one of the military green, Justin Fields jersey though., but he doesn’t give a shit about football
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I’m quite confident I wouldn’t have said anything that snarky if I hadn’t been catching grief for not accepting his opinion, as variable fact
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I’m quite confident I wouldn’t have said anything that snarky if I hadn’t been catching grief for not accepting his opinion, as variable fact
You were catching grief for a very specific thing - you can go back and check.
You were catching grief for ranting about how the guy who agreed with you was credible, and the guy who didn’t wasn’t any more credible than you are (despite the actual credibility gap there being quite large).
Go back and look. No one anywhere mocked you for not taking Brad Biggs’ word as unassailable fact, nobody. I mocked you for hand waving one “credible” view because it disagreed with you, while doing the “and I bet he knows more about it than spark mandrill!” nonsense about the view that did agree with you. In response you said ACTUALLY, the Bears best writer isn’t any more credible than you are.
I know it’s easier to just make up what happened and assume you’re right, but like 99% of the other times you try to reinterpret someone’s words rather than taking them at face value, you have done it poorly.
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If only the exact post had already been posted here this morning when you pretended to have been joking.
Guess we’ll never know and just have to assume that your interpretation of events was flawless
What was posted before that I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have just blurted out of the box. I’m just as credible possible I guess but I doubt it and even then hilarious that you would take me seriously
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Using voice translator, so sorry for the lack of punctuation and grammar
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You were catching grief for a very specific thing - you can go back and check.
You were catching grief for ranting about how the guy who agreed with you was credible, and the guy who didn’t wasn’t any more credible than you are (despite the actual credibility gap there being quite large).
Go back and look. No one anywhere mocked you for not taking Brad Biggs’ word as unassailable fact, nobody. I mocked you for hand waving one “credible” view because it disagreed with you, while doing the “and I bet he knows more about it than spark mandrill!” nonsense about the view that did agree with you. In response you said ACTUALLY, the Bears best writer isn’t any more credible than you are.
I know it’s easier to just make up what happened and assume you’re right, but like 99% of the other times you try to reinterpret someone’s words rather than taking them at face value, you have done it poorly.
I never said Biggs wasn’t “credible,” I was saying I don’t think he was necessarily sharing inside info, just giving his opinion. And he’s been wrong before. Doesn’t mean he’s not a credible voice on the Bears.
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Again, I never presented Aikman’s opinion as unassailable. Merely presenting one that disagreed with yours. Since mine wasn’t being accepted.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2023/12/21/24011540/bears-justin-fields-quarterback-worst-at-fourth-quarter-rally-gotta-have-it-matt-eberflus-luke-getsy
When trailing with four minutes or less to play, Fields’ passer rating this year is 22.1. He’s last among the 26 quarterbacks who have thrown 20 passes in that situation — the next-closest, the Colts’ Gardner Minshew, has a 42.4. The Bills’ Josh Allen leads the NFL with a 140.8.
No one has thrown more interceptions than Fields’ four in that situation. Only six have thrown for fewer yards.
Fields has one game-winning drive this season, driving the Bears to beat the Vikings with a field goal. Twenty-one quarterbacks have more. Jalen Hurts, Russell Wilson and Desmond Ridder are tied for the lead with four, but such forgettable quarterbacks as Zach Wilson, Jake Browning, Tommy DeVito and P.J. Walker all have two. Browning, DeVito and Walker have combined to start 11 games this season — Fields has 10.
Fields’ struggles start earlier in the fourth quarter. His 55.3 passer rating in the fourth quarter ranks 48th among all quarterbacks with at least 10 passes. Only two players have thrown more fourth-quarter interceptions than his five.
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🤷🏻♂️ he’s got a point.
https://x.com/clayharbs82/status/1737984600549286061?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Tune in. Or don’t…
https://x.com/krosesharkey/status/1737981292925362554?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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So Cowherd is credible now?
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So Cowherd is credible now?
That’s how it works isn’t it?!
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So Cowherd is credible now?
And again, as Spark pointed out, you’re mixing up credible and valid.
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Glad to see people are taking the night shift. I’m fucking worn out.
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Glad to see people are taking the night shift. I’m fucking worn out.
I was just reading it today. I couldn’t keep up. Occasionally I’d reply but then what I was replying to was 10 pages behind 😂
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I love how Tempo butchers the definition of "prediction" so that he was not "wrong," as his 10 win prediction was not actually what he thought would happen, aka, a "prediction", but merely him being an optimistic fan who never actually EXPECTED a 10 win season (as Tempo had predicted before the season). Truly amazing.
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It was pretty rapid fire.
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I love how Tempo butchers the definition of "prediction" so that he was not "wrong," as his 10 win prediction was not actually what he thought would happen, aka, a "prediction", but merely him being an optimistic fan who never actually EXPECTED a 10 win season (as Tempo had predicted before the season). Truly amazing.
JFC take an ambien
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We have all heard it dozens of times if not more, the better teams are usually the healthier teams, and I know no one wants to hear this, but the first half of the season the Bears were not a very healthy team. #NoExcusesTour.
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JFC take an ambien
Classic.
When have you been right about the Bear since The COVID?
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We have all heard it dozens of times if not more, the better teams are usually the healthier teams, and I know no one wants to hear this, but the first half of the season the Bears were not a very healthy team. #NoExcusesTour.
What again was the excuse versus the Brown as Joe Flacco was slicing and dicing them in the 4th quarter and Fields did his usual disappearing act?
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Tyler Scott and Darnell Mooney could
Have helped. IDK, what was the excuse when Flacco was slicing and dicing them?
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Tyler Scott and Darnell Mooney could
Have helped. IDK, what was the excuse when Flacco was slicing and dicing them?
Sweat was tired and was off the field for big plays with 3 minutes to go? That is an excuse. Maybe Poles should have another discussion with your guy Mr. Culture Flus about the big money players being on the field during crunch time.
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Maybe he should. Apparently Terrell Smith was out of position on a big play (though not crazy about Flus throwing him under the bus).
But it’s funny how the “helpless” Browns defense was missing a safety or two and yet I don’t remember you giving the Bears any breaks when they were literally missing 4 of 5 starters in the secondary back in Sept/Oct. They literally had 3rd stringers playing.
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Maybe he should. Apparently Terrell Smith was out of position on a big play (though not crazy about Flus throwing him under the bus).
But it’s funny how the “helpless” Browns defense was missing a safety or two and yet I don’t remember you giving the Bears any breaks when they were literally missing 4 of 5 starters in the secondary back in Sept/Oct. They literally had 3rd stringers playing.
Huh? I'm not giving the Brown breaks....they actually won! I'm criticizing the healthy Bear squad for not winning against a depleted squad. So "who you crappin'?"
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You criticized the Bears (Fields) for not beating the helpless Browns defense. A defense against which he had better numbers (and should have been far better numbers) than Brock Purdy. And Fields did it in wet and windy conditions.
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Didn’t Myles Garrett and Zadarius Smith know that the safety position was undermanned?
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Fields was pressured on 70% of his drops. #nosafeties
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I’m saying you don’t give the Bears any breaks for missing players in the first half of the year. #noexcusestour
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Fields was pressured on 70% of his drops. #nosafeties
Isn’t it weird how that wasn’t the case with Bagent though. Fields CAUSES a lot of those sack totals!
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You criticized the Bears (Fields) for not beating the helpless Browns defense. A defense against which he had better numbers (and should have been far better numbers) than Brock Purdy. And Fields did it in wet and windy conditions.
Yeah, the Brown defense was not banged up in October when they played the 49er and Purdy had still put them in position to win. This really is that hard for you to understand, isn't it?
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Didn’t Myles Garrett and Zadarius Smith know that the safety position was undermanned?
Yes.
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Fields was pressured on 70% of his drops. #nosafeties
You previously posted a The Twitter post saying it was 44%. Which is it?
Love how the number keeps moving to protect the shit QB1.
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I’m saying you don’t give the Bears any breaks for missing players in the first half of the year. #noexcusestour
The Browns had 14 or so guys missing, USFL lineman, 4th QB, and are winning and came back in the 4th quarter against the Bear. Why can't the Bear win, with one of the easiest schedule in the league, or hold a 4th quarter lead?
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Isn’t it weird how that wasn’t the case with Bagent though. Fields CAUSES a lot of those sack totals!
Fields was pressured on 44% of his drop backs until it was noted that Flacco was pressured on 40% of his. Then the Fields number went up to 70%. Of course, Tempo told us the Bear line was set except for a Center. LOL.
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lol
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Isn’t it weird how that wasn’t the case with Bagent though. Fields CAUSES a lot of those sack totals!
lol
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Yeah, the Brown defense was not banged up in October when they played the 49er
How do you know this? Did you look it up or pull that out of your ass. #nosafeties #helpless
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You previously posted a The Twitter post saying it was 44%. Which is it?
Love how the number keeps moving to protect the shit QB1.
Take it up with this person. Believe I heard Wanny mention it too. Wanny said he counted 7 balls that should have been caught.
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Fields was pressured on 44% of his drop backs until it was noted that Flacco was pressured on 40% of his. Then the Fields number went up to 70%. Of course, Tempo told us the Bear line was set except for a Center. LOL.
If you were capable of reading comprehension this would be so much easier. I never said the line was where it needs to be. But outside of the Center position the other 4 guys will likely be the starters next year. All of them except for Davis are still very young. They will get better with experience and more playing time together as a unit.
The Eagles’ offensive line has years’ worth of time together as a unit. That shit matters. The C, LT, and RT legitimately have at least 80 starts together as a unit. I know you think this is a video game where you just plug in guys and the quarterback goes for 300 and 4 and the defense plays flawlessly for 60 minutes, but that’s not real NFL football.
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The Browns had 14 or so guys missing, USFL lineman, 4th QB, and are winning and came back in the 4th quarter against the Bear. Why can't the Bear win, with one of the easiest schedule in the league, or hold a 4th quarter lead?
The 4th quarter lead thing is a problem, unfortunately this team hasn’t learned how to close yet. I expect it to get better. This isn’t a video game.
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Isn’t it weird how that wasn’t the case with Bagent though. Fields CAUSES a lot of those sack totals!
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Funny.
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How do you know this? Did you look it up or pull that out of your ass. #nosafeties #helpless
Because I know.
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Take it up with this person. Believe I heard Wanny mention it too. Wanny said he counted 7 balls that should have been caught.
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I was going to name my pod The Irish Bears Show. Still may.
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If you were capable of reading comprehension this would be so much easier. I never said the line was where it needs to be. But outside of the Center position the other 4 guys will likely be the starters next year. All of them except for Davis are still very young. They will get better with experience and more playing time together as a unit.
The Eagles’ offensive line has years’ worth of time together as a unit. That shit matters. The C, LT, and RT legitimately have at least 80 starts together as a unit. I know you think this is a video game where you just plug in guys and the quarterback goes for 300 and 4 and the defense plays flawlessly for 60 minutes, but that’s not real NFL football.
Goal posts moved.
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The 4th quarter lead thing is a problem, unfortunately this team hasn’t learned how to close yet. I expect it to get better. This isn’t a video game.
LOL. I expect it to get better with new coaches and a new QB
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You should call it the I Know More than Hub Arkush and Brad Biggs Bears Show.
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LOL. I expect it to get better with new coaches and a new QB
And new GM, and new Linemen, and new Linebackers.
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How so? I never once said the OLine was a completed project. They badly need a Center. The tackles are still super young. It’s far from a great unit, but with experience and a quality center it should be well on its way.
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It’s amazing how you just gloss over the Eagles’ line experience that I’ve shared. We don’t have anything in the ballpark of that kind of experience or continuity.
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It’s amazing how you just gloss over the Eagles’ line experience that I’ve shared. We don’t have anything in the ballpark of that kind of experience or continuity.
Brown USFL OL looked good in the 4th quarter against the Bear... How long were they together?
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Lol
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Lol
Another lay down noted.
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Lol
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Another lay down noted.
No, I just love the random selectiveness of your logic. “The DLine blew it!” Despite the 4 sacks, many hurries, only 29 yards rushing given up. Sure, I’d have liked to seen a big play in the 4th to seal it. You know what else I would have like to have seen? Better play calls by the Bears on both offense and defense. Less drops, better blocking, and more than 2 combined rushing yards from Herbert and Foreman (though I mostly blame the blocking for that). Maybe a clutch catch in the end zone would be nice.
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Luke Getsy, not quite the worst!
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No, I just love the random selectiveness of your logic. “The DLine blew it!” Despite the 4 sacks, many hurries, only 29 yards rushing given up. Sure, I’d have liked to seen a big play in the 4th to seal it. You know what else I would have like to have seen? Better play calls by the Bears on both offense and defense. Less drops, better blocking, and more than 2 combined rushing yards from Herbert and Foreman (though I mostly blame the blocking for that). Maybe a clutch catch in the end zone would be nice.
Fields sucks. Incredibly enough, he even sucks more on the 4th quarter. Didn't think it was possible. But it is a fact.
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No, I just love the random selectiveness of your logic. “The DLine blew it!” Despite the 4 sacks, many hurries, only 29 yards rushing given up. Sure, I’d have liked to seen a big play in the 4th to seal it. You know what else I would have like to have seen? Better play calls by the Bears on both offense and defense. Less drops, better blocking, and more than 2 combined rushing yards from Herbert and Foreman (though I mostly blame the blocking for that). Maybe a clutch catch in the end zone would be nice.
The defense still sucks under Getsy. Sorry it is still a fact.
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The defense still sucks under Getsy. Sorry it is still a fact.
Wut
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Pretty brutal when 2 and 3 are “no one,” and 4 hasn’t done anything in the NFL outside of drop a couple critical balls. And don’t even get me started on 5…
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The defense still sucks under Getsy. Sorry it is still a fact.
Still trying to figure out what this means.
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Still trying to figure out what this means.
I didn't stutter when I typed.
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Still makes no sense.
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Still makes no sense.
Not hard to believe that you refuse to understand it.
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The defense still sucks under Getsy. Sorry it is still a fact.
How does this make any sense at all? If you said Flus, you’d be wrong, but at least it would be a logical statement.
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How does this make any sense at all? If you said Flus, you’d be wrong, but at least it would be a logical statement.
LOL. I get it now...yeah. Getsy and Flus are interchangeable suckiness at this point. My bad.
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I’d be willing to ship the first pick to the Chargers for Herbert. They could either rebuild or keep Caleb Williams in LA where it’s warm (which seems important to him) and I bet he’d like the jersey colors.
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Where have I heard thoughts like this before?
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Tempo, care to explain…
https://x.com/polesplseat/status/1738552561492254741?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Tempo, care to explain…
https://x.com/polesplseat/status/1738552561492254741?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Lol is that a real question?
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Lol is that a real question?
Yes, care to explain why Williams as the 1st pick is worth far more than The Legend in Your Own Mind, QB1?
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You guys can’t be this dumb.
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Yes, care to explain why Williams as the 1st pick is worth far more than The Legend in Your Own Mind, QB1?
The answer appears to be, "No, I cannot explain it."
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It’s akin to having to explain why 2024 draft picks and free agents haven’t helped the Bears 2023 yet, but I will address it tomorrow. Merry Christmas.
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Tempo, care to explain…
https://x.com/polesplseat/status/1738552561492254741?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Yes, I can explain this quite easily. First off, I don’t think you’re getting 3 1sts, 3 2nds, and a player for Caleb Williams. Something closer to what you got for Bryce Young sounds about right (still a considerable haul, though). Depends on how far you were to trade down.
Secondly, there are always franchises desperate enough to give you the farm for fresh quarterback meat. Trey Lance, Mitchell Trubisky, Bryce Young, etc. Even Fields commanded two 1st round picks on draft day and he didn’t even go top 10. Quarterbacks are like cars, once you drive it off the lot, it loses value. Especially if it’s not an All-Pro caliber player.
Would anyone give you what Carolina gave you for Bryce Young today? Of course not. Not even close. It is more likely than not, that a year from now we’ll be saying that so and so overpaid for Caleb Williams (should he be traded).
This is not complicated. It’s almost as simple as figuring out why 2024 free agents and draft picks aren’t helping the 2023 Bears.
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Two 1sts and a 3rd to move up to 10th.
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Trade the pick to Washington for a nice haul and Terry McLaurin. DJ, McLaurin, and Malik Nabers would be a massive upgrade in talent and make the Bears WR unit a top 5 in football. MHJ is probably going #2 to Arizona unless they trade down. Moore, McLaurin, Harrison Jr a possibility but more likely Nabers.
Plus, Washington sucks and you’d be drafting really high again next year. Possibly 1 again.
Sign me up today.
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Trade the pick to Washington for a nice haul and Terry McLaurin. DJ, McLaurin, and Malik Nabers would be a massive upgrade in talent and make the Bears WR unit a top 5 in football. MHJ is probably going #2 to Arizona unless they trade down. Moore, McLaurin, Harrison Jr a possibility but more likely Nabers.
Plus, Washington sucks and you’d be drafting really high again next year. Possibly 1 again.
Sign me up today.
McLaurin, two 1st rounders, and two 2nd rounders (or 1 additional 1st instead of those two 2nd rounders) and I’ll justify trading it and sticking with Fields. Anything less than that and I say draft Williams.
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Five years from now, I think if the Bears don’t draft Caleb Williams, they’re REALLY gonna regret it though.
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Over the top hype goes both ways. I’m just not convinced Williams is a safe pick. Sure, he’s really talented. But so is everyone drafted #1 overall.
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I think he’s talking about Tempo here and other FFF fans…
https://x.com/jeremylayt0n/status/1739679424126103956?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Five years from now, I think if the Bears don’t draft Caleb Williams, they’re REALLY gonna regret it though.
I’d say 70-80% of the QBs taken #1 in the last 40 years didn’t really work out. I’d be willing to build my roster, and add insane draft capital to ride the percentages.
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I think he’s talking about Tempo here and other FFF fans…
https://x.com/jeremylayt0n/status/1739679424126103956?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
I’m old enough to remember how Chase Claypool, a guy we technically gave up a 1st round pick for was supposed to be a big part of the support network for the quarterback. How did that go? His still inexperienced line (3 best players) missed 4-5 games a piece first half of season. Nothing past DJ and Cole are adequate as far as receiver.
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I think he’s talking about Tempo here and other FFF fans…
https://x.com/jeremylayt0n/status/1739679424126103956?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Same guy uttered this nonsense in the same thread. He’s touting a guy who plays the least important position on the line and can’t stay healthy as a HUGE asset. I like Jenkins, but let’s be real here. Kmet is decent, not special in any way.
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McLaurin, two 1st rounders, and two 2nd rounders (or 1 additional 1st instead of those two 2nd rounders) and I’ll justify trading it and sticking with Fields. Anything less than that and I say draft Williams.
I’d settle for 2024-2025 1sts, this years’ 2nd, a 3rd, McLaurin. You’d have to trade further down to get more I think.
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Washington would almost be guaranteed 5 losses in the NFC East alone. Their 2025 pick will be a high one. Probably really high.
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What’s he suppose to say?! 😂
https://x.com/chisportupdates/status/1739744253327122477?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Most #1 pick QBs go to bad teams with minimal weapons, poor coaching, and questionable front offices. Like the Bears. Maybe that’s why the failure rate is so high?
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Most #1 pick QBs go to bad teams with minimal weapons, poor coaching, and questionable front offices. Like the Bears. Maybe that’s why the failure rate is so high?
I would assume that’s part of it but mostly, I think it’s just hard to evaluate how someone will translate to the NFL. I definitely think some quarterbacks can be ruined, though most even I think the Bears have done almost everything they could to ruin Justin Fields, and yet he’s still a reasonably desirable commodity, and I feel that’s commendable.
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I mean, it is the most difficult position in sports. You just never know how a guy will do for sure with maybe a couple of exceptions like Elway and Manning.
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Washington announces they are in the market for a new quarterback as Jacoby Brissett has been named the new starter.
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Washington announces they are in the market for a new quarterback as Jacoby Brissett has been named the new starter.
Would be a great trade partner if we get enough. Or trade Fields to them instead of the #1 pick. Either way, we have options now…
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Trade him now!!!!! Poles make it happen!
https://x.com/nflnotify/status/1740072049756832047?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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A lot of QB needy teams in the top 10. Could get quite the haul for that #1 pick.
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So: 1) Worth 1st round pick 2) promising young QB 3) Rookie contract = Can’t unload him fast enough
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If Justin is traded, Seattle would be a fantastic landing spot for him. Good weapons, and I’m sure Carroll could figure out how to use him.
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So: 1) Worth 1st round pick 2) promising young QB 3) Rookie contract = Can’t unload him fast enough
I think Caleb Williams comes in and is instantly just as good as Fields, yes. Better passing absolutely.
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There is more to leading a franchise than just passing.
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After watching the game live Sunday, I also realized that Justin’s ability to run is a valuable asset in Chicago in late November and December when the weather can be iffy. And yes, he needs to get better as a passer. I think that would happen with an upgrade at OC and a couple more pieces on the offense.
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There is more to leading a franchise than just passing.
LOL. Like whining like a little bitch about the coaches trying to teach you NFL offensive concepts?
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After watching the game live Sunday, I also realized that Justin’s ability to run is a valuable asset in Chicago in late November and December when the weather can be iffy. And yes, he needs to get better as a passer. I think that would happen with an upgrade at OC and a couple more pieces on the offense.
And if he had a brain transplant.
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LOL. Like whining like a little bitch about the coaches trying to teach you NFL offensive concepts?
Hilarious.
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I have a feeling Caleb Williams might be unwilling to come to Chicago, and quite frankly, it’s hard to blame him.
https://withthefirstpick.com/posts/could-caleb-williams-pull-an-eli-manning-in-the-2024-draft-01hjkxfq9w5c
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What quarterback in his right mind would want to come to the Bears?
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What quarterback in his right mind would want to come to the Bears?
It’s a fair question.
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And I realize I have an obvious bias here, but I don’t think Caleb is built for Chicago based on what I’ve seen and read.
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The Bears’ 2nd 1st could be a mid first rounder. Wonder if you could trade for a premier LT or C for that pick.
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Hilarious.
I know, right? Why would anyone want that guy?
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Miller Moss USC’s backup has 218 yards and 4 TDs at the half against Louisville. He’s playing without their top two WRs.
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He’s also their leading rusher, albeit it at only 13 yards
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New Washington ownership will be looking to make a splash with their rebuild. Bend them over.
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Seems pretty likely every team without a fully established QB is going to be very interested in Caleb Williams.
I know Bears Twitter and Reddit have decided he's a bust, but most people don't think that.
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No time to link, but WSJ has more William's fodder for Tempo today..kid is apparently a millionaire due to NIL.
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I don’t care if he has money I care about if it’s changed him
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Safe to say he’s probably a millionaire if he’s driving a $250,000 car
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Former Tampa QB Sean King was on The Score; had some really interesting thoughts. Said Justin Fields has shown enough for the Bears to invest in him. Says environment is so critical. Said CJ Stroud landed in a much better environment than Bryce Young (not just talent but organizationally). Things could be reversed had they landed in each others’ spots.
Said the Bears were bottom 7-8 in offensive talent. Even the RBs he rated bottom half. Big drop off after DJ. Mentioned how all of the elite quarterbacks have elite weaponry.
Said Getsy has a good run scheme but pass plays often don’t make sense. Things like quick screens to Kmet and Darnell Mooney will be blocking it up. Blown up too often. Also says that the outlet receivers spend a lot of time chipping on their way out which contributes to the “holding the ball too long” because the TEs and RBs are having to work their way out instead of running slants and crossers.
Made an incredibly astute point about coordinators who like to be on the sidelines, where it’s harder to get a full view of what’s going on. Says the only real reason some guys do that is that they want to look more like a head coach. When you’re in the booth you look like a coordinator. Incredibly astute point.
Holmes brought up how former players tend to view Justin more positively than those who didn’t play. Holmes did give a shout out to Alex Brown, a Fields detractor. A lot of really interesting good stuff. You could tell that King was knowledgeable too, even mentioned that DJ has been hobbled, so you know he’s watching the film and up to date. That’s about everything I can remember.
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Also interesting comment (choice of words), said he hopes Poles/Bears don’t “panic,” and decide to replace Fields with a rookie.
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The Bears will seriously regret if they don’t move on from Fields, and sooner than later.
He has not been any better than he was last season.
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The Bears will seriously regret if they don’t move on from Fields, and sooner than later.
He has not been any better than he was last season.
Well that certainly is an opinion.
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Oh, and I was just reminded that King said people get too caught up in “stats.” That every game in the NFL is hard. Said that Fields largely played well against Cleveland but the stats don’t show it.
And not making this up, said Darnell Mooney needs to make that Hail Mary catch.
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It's the opinion the data supports, there's a reason the competing opinion relies on a few dozen excuses week in and week out.
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Oh, and I was just reminded that King said people get too caught up in “stats.” That every game in the NFL is hard. Said that Fields largely played well against Cleveland but the stats don’t show it.
And not making this up, said Darnell Mooney needs to make that Hail Mary catch.
He sounds like a moron who likes Fields and has let that cloud his judgment.
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The data says Miller Moss can do anything Caleb Williams can do.
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And do it without 2 of their top 3 receivers.
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The data says Miller Moss can do anything Caleb Williams can do.
It doesn't, obviously, but it doesn't surprise me you'd rush to this kind of stretchy stupid response. That sort of thing is literally all you have in this entire debate - a mile-long list of excuses, and some stupid mindless shit like this.
When Miller Moss has a two year stretch like Caleb did, he will also probably be a top draft prospect.
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Lol “the data,” what a shitty argument. Does the data factor in talent and environment?
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It doesn't, obviously, but it doesn't surprise me you'd rush to this kind of stretchy stupid response.
I’m just telling you what the data says.
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Statistically he had about his good game as Caleb Williams had all year
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And he did it, throwing to a bunch of rejects
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Lol “the data,” what a shitty argument. Does the data factor in talent and environment?
No one's going to be surprised, obviously, that you find the actual results to be a 'shitty argument'. That's the stupidest shit ever though.
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Statistically he had about his good game as Caleb Williams had all year
And people are only interested in Caleb Williams for one game, right?
Or is that not true and this is the stupidest argument you've made yet?
Laughable shit, and you know it
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And beat a ranked team, which Caleb Williams apparently only did twice
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And people are only interested in Caleb Williams for one game, right?
Or is that not true and this is the stupidest argument you've made yet?
Laughable shit, and you know it
What’s laughable is comparing Justin Fields environment to elite quarterbacks
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Again the contrast between those who played, and those who didn’t is quite noticeable
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I’m just telling you what the data says.
Nope, you're providing an obviously laughably stupid interpretation of the data. But you know that, you just are so far up Justin Fields' ass that you're willing to be completely idiotic to defend him and rip the guy who might take his place.
One thing that sucks is knowing how insufferable you're going to be when Caleb Williams makes any mistake as a rookie, after excusing 30 pretty bad starts over three years.
Let's say this: if they get Caleb Williams and through 36 starts he is still a mediocre ass passer - certainly possible - then I will also advocate for moving on from him. You won't hear your mile long list of stupid excuses from me.
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If you put Justin Fields on the Eagles, the last three years, there’s pretty much no doubt he would be better
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What’s laughable is comparing Justin Fields environment to elite quarterbacks
I'm not comparing him to anyone.
I am watching him play, looking at the results. They aren't very good. You have to make a dozen excuses for his play every single week.
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Only Sparks opinion matters and only data approved by Spark matters talk about ego
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I am at least willing to admit that keeping fields could be a mistake
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I'm not comparing him to anyone.
I am watching him play, looking at the results. They aren't very good. You have to make a dozen excuses for his play every single week.
Because his environment literally sucks every single week
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Chase Claypool was supposed to be a major weapon for him and they got rid of him a month into the season for a cup of coffee and a doughnut
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Only Sparks opinion matters and only data approved by Spark matters talk about ego
Nope, never said anything of the sort. When you resort to this sort of lying I know you've got nothing though, which is always interesting.
There's a reason your argument insists on everyone agreeing to totally disqualify 99% of Fields' actual on-the-field play through 36 NFL starts. It's because the actual results from Fields have been bad.
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Because his environment literally sucks every single week
Yep, always an excuse. Every single time. Weber First Fan shit.
He can't make the jumpshots. He didn't MAKE Jamar Smith drive into that tree. You can't expect him to compete in recruiting when everyone else cheats.
Exactly the same shit. Always an excuse.
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What happened to all those "last five weeks" stats that were so relevant when the last really good game he had in week 5 was still in that stretch? Remember how you kept posting that as evidence, last five weeks? Last five full games?
Last five full games: 60% completion, 945 yards (189ypg), 4 TD, 3 INT, 77.2 passer rating.
Weird you haven't brought that stat up for a while.
He had two great weeks against bad defenses and then reverted back into the same mediocre passer.
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Pretty disingenuous to count the two Hail Mary INTs against him. Also, those stats don’t account for several very significant drops.
Hell, one of those Hail Marys wasn’t even an INT. It was dropped. And Darnell Mooney should get the INT on the other one for kicking it to the defender lol
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Very disingenuous stats.
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If Tonyan catches the bomb, and Tyler Scott makes a catch on the last drive that he should have and you take away the two bullshit interceptions. He probably had by far the best week in Cleveland that any quarterback has had this year.
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Or if Darnell Mooney manages to haul in a Hail Mary that he had in his arms
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No honest person would charge him with those two Hail Mary INTs in an argument
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Take those out and his rating goes up a fair bit I’m sure
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Mahomes’ “last 5” when his situation has been “less than perfect.”
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Make that last 6
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The INT against AZ was an awful throw, still don’t know why we’re throwing a corner fade route to a 5’9 RB who isn’t even a polished receiver. Constantly putting Justin in positions to fail. Yep, excuses, every single time.
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No honest person would charge him with those two Hail Mary INTs in an argument
Every QB gets the INTs that aren’t their fault credited to them.
Without them though he has a monstrous 82 passer rating in the last five games. Can’t move on from a dude playing like that!
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The INT against AZ was an awful throw, still don’t know why we’re throwing a corner fade route to a 5’9 RB who isn’t even a polished receiver. Constantly putting Justin in positions to fail. Yep, excuses, every single time.
Yes. EVERY time. 100% consistency.
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Mahomes’ “last 5” when his situation has been “less than perfect.”
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Make that last 6
Two of these would be top-5 or -7 games in Fields’ career. The rest are pretty much what he is most weeks.
Is it bad? It seems like you’re saying it’s bad here but when Fields plays like that you say it’s good.
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Fields doesn’t have 5-6 years in a good system, Andy Reid, Travis Kelce, and the same kind of draft capital invested in weaponry as Mahomes does. Nor as good of an offensive line. Not surprising you look at the passing yards and say “oh much better.” Ignoring the bad ratings.
Watching JT O’Sullivan’s All22 and he loved a snap and run by Fields on 3rd down. “I can’t tell you how much stress that puts on a defense.” Only passing statz matter.
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Fields doesn’t have 5-6 years in a good system, Andy Reid, Travis Kelce, and the same kind of draft capital invested in weaponry as Mahomes does. Nor as good of an offensive line. Not surprising you look at the passing yards and say “oh much better.” Ignoring the bad ratings.
Watching JT O’Sullivan’s All22 and he loved a snap and run by Fields on 3rd down. “I can’t tell you how much stress that puts on a defense.” Only passing statz matter.
The Chiefs easily have the biggest drop problem in the league, both total and by rate. That’s an excuse for Fields. You’re still talking about two drops from two weeks ago, when in reality the Bears don’t have a particular issue with drops.
I’m kind of shocked you want to do the Fields / Mahomes comparison but if you’re really that much of a glutton for punishment we can I guess?
It’s great that he can run the ball. It does put pressure on a defense - IF you are also a threat to pass. If Fields was the Bears’ running back the conversation would be different.
He needs to pass the ball. It’s beyond insane that’s some controversial take here. He’s the QB. He will cost 9 figures after next year. He needs to be able to consistently pass the ball and he has not done that yet through 36 starts.
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Mahomes is clearly a superior quarterback; but pretty clearly even he needs adequate help. He’s having easily his worst year, and they are not that starved for talent. And they still have unbelievably good infrastructure. Mahomes had two first ballot HOFers most of his career. It’s nice that we can make excuses for him when his situation is “less than perfect,” though.
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Most QBs would not still be desirable commodities after going through what Justin has gone through. He was hung out to dry year two and his sheer playmaking ability carried that offense to competency. Again, most former players speak pretty highly of him and say they should build around him. Passing stat nerds disagree.
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Very disingenuous stats.
they are literally the stats, tabulated the exact same way stats are for every other quarterback to ever play in the NFL. They've all had drops, INTs that weren't their fault - 100% of them.
You just have a literal compulsion to excuse away anything that makes Justin Fields look bad, so when someone posts his stats you say "disingenuous". I get second hand embarrassment just watching the excuse parade from you.
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Most QBs would not still be desirable commodities after going through what Justin has gone through. He was hung out to dry year two and his sheer playmaking ability carried that offense to competency. Again, most former players speak pretty highly of him and say they should build around him. Passing stat nerds disagree.
That you would even try to paint people saying "the quarterback needs to be able to move the ball through the air" as "passing stat nerds" is fucking hysterical. My god, you are so lost in the weeds on this you'll never find your way back. This is quite literally a quarterback's main job in football.
I can see it now - if they move away from Fields you're going to be rooting AGAINST the Bears a year from now.
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If you put Justin Fields on the Eagles, the last three years, there’s pretty much no doubt he would be better
LOL
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Mahomes is clearly a superior quarterback; but pretty clearly even he needs adequate help. He’s having easily his worst year, and they are not that starved for talent. And they still have unbelievably good infrastructure. Mahomes had two first ballot HOFers most of his career. It’s nice that we can make excuses for him when his situation is “less than perfect,” though.
And 'easily his worst year' would be 'easily Fields' best year'. That is the problem. For all the 'he turned a corner' talk this year with Fields, he has not done that - he is still performing at a similar level he was performing at a year ago.
The negatives you're pointing out about Mahomes' production this year - completely fair to point out, he definitely hasn't been his usual self! - are better than Fields' peak. Mahomes' passer rating right now would be his career low (as a starter) by 6 points, and would be Fields' career high by 7. His QBR this season (63), is 0.8 points better than the worst of his career, and 19 points higher than Fields' this year (44). It's 7 points higher than Fields' last year, which was his best (56).
That you even want to compare these dudes is fucking embarrassing.
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The INT against AZ was an awful throw, still don’t know why we’re throwing a corner fade route to a 5’9 RB who isn’t even a polished receiver. Constantly putting Justin in positions to fail. Yep, excuses, every single time.
LOL. Throw was late and in the wrong spot. Was supposed to be out towards the pylon.
Amazing how the excuses keep flowing.
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Fields doesn’t have 5-6 years in a good system, Andy Reid, Travis Kelce, and the same kind of draft capital invested in weaponry as Mahomes does. Nor as good of an offensive line. Not surprising you look at the passing yards and say “oh much better.” Ignoring the bad ratings.
Watching JT O’Sullivan’s All22 and he loved a snap and run by Fields on 3rd down. “I can’t tell you how much stress that puts on a defense.” Only passing statz matter.
LOL. Nagy sucks!
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Most QBs would not still be desirable commodities after going through what Justin has gone through. He was hung out to dry year two and his sheer playmaking ability carried that offense to competency. Again, most former players speak pretty highly of him and say they should build around him. Passing stat nerds disagree.
Fields is not going to nut in your eye, no matter how hard you try.
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“The interior of that offensive line has just been a dumpster fire all season, just shockingly incompetent.” JT O’Sullivan
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And 'easily his worst year' would be 'easily Fields' best year'. That is the problem. For all the 'he turned a corner' talk this year with Fields, he has not done that - he is still performing at a similar level he was performing at a year ago.
The negatives you're pointing out about Mahomes' production this year - completely fair to point out, he definitely hasn't been his usual self! - are better than Fields' peak. Mahomes' passer rating right now would be his career low (as a starter) by 6 points, and would be Fields' career high by 7. His QBR this season (63), is 0.8 points better than the worst of his career, and 19 points higher than Fields' this year (44). It's 7 points higher than Fields' last year, which was his best (56).
That you even want to compare these dudes is fucking embarrassing.
It is as if he is comparing Mitch to Manning...
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“The interior of that offensive line has just been a dumpster fire all season, just shockingly incompetent.” JT O’Sullivan
Yet you mocked me for saying they needed more than a Center.
You really cannot make this stuff up.
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And 'easily his worst year' would be 'easily Fields' best year'. That is the problem. For all the 'he turned a corner' talk this year with Fields, he has not done that - he is still performing at a similar level he was performing at a year ago.
The negatives you're pointing out about Mahomes' production this year - completely fair to point out, he definitely hasn't been his usual self! - are better than Fields' peak. Mahomes' passer rating right now would be his career low (as a starter) by 6 points, and would be Fields' career high by 7. His QBR this season (63), is 0.8 points better than the worst of his career, and 19 points higher than Fields' this year (44). It's 7 points higher than Fields' last year, which was his best (56).
That you even want to compare these dudes is fucking embarrassing.
One guy had a 3x SB roster/HOF coaching around him, the other went through the most obvious tank job in history his 2nd year. Which situation is not like the other? Hmmm…
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Yet you mocked me for saying they needed more than a Center.
You really cannot make this stuff up.
I said many times they have the worst Center in the league. Your guard positions could be better, but they are not the most obvious needs, and they probably aren’t drafting over either of them this year, and it certainly wouldn’t prohibit you from taking Brock Bowers or a similar player 1st round.
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One guy had a 3x SB roster/HOF coaching around him, the other went through the most obvious tank job in history his 2nd year. Which situation is not like the other? Hmmm…
YOU brought Mahomes up. I think it’s insane to even think about comparing them.
I’m comfortable guessing that if you traded Fields for Mahomes, Mahomes would still be considerably better. You?
Like you say “3x SB roster” which is true, but him being a multiple time MVP and SB MVP probably has something to do with that too.
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Your literal response to drafting Brock Bowers was “can’t do that” need OL. Very very very few Centers or Guards are getting drafted in the top 10
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I said many times they have the worst Center in the league. Your guard positions could be better, but they are not the most obvious needs, and they probably aren’t drafting over either of them this year, and it certainly wouldn’t prohibit you from taking Brock Bowers or a similar player 1st round.
Pick a lane, Tempo, versus the different defense you come up for Fields each week.
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I also said that offensive line play has been hurt by lack of continuity and experience together, and I would expect that to improve. They’ve only played a small handful of games as a healthy unit.
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All the excuses coming out today. Joe Flacco says, "Pay me, not Fields!"
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And on top of that both guards missed four or five starts as well, so that doesn’t help.
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And on top of that both guards missed four or five starts as well, so that doesn’t help.
Poles bringing in great depth when not needlessly trading 2d round picks. Maybe should have pulled in some USFL guards like the Brown did.
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Lol
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Damn, Ryan Poles for not fixing the entire 53 man roster in one off-season
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Yes, quarterbacks get charged with interceptions that aren’t their fault but a Hail Mary is a literal 5 to 10% chance play it as bogus an INT as you can have
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Yes, quarterbacks get charged with interceptions that aren’t their fault but a Hail Mary is a literal 5 to 10% chance play it as bogus an INT as you can have
For sure - but other QBs have thrown INTs on Hail Marys and they count, so it doesn’t make sense to remove them for Fields when you can’t remove them from everyone.
The first one a little different since it literally wasn’t an INT, but I took them both out anyway in the number I posted earlier.
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Damn, Ryan Poles for not fixing the entire 53 man roster in one off-season
Damn him for not being as good as the Houston GM.
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For sure - but other QBs have thrown INTs on Hail Marys and they count, so it doesn’t make sense to remove them for Fields when you can’t remove them from everyone.
The first one a little different since it literally wasn’t an INT, but I took them both out anyway in the number I posted earlier.
2 Hail Mary INTs in one game? Fat chance. I’ll bet there aren’t more than 5-6 total for the entire league all year including Justin’s.
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Damn him for not being as good as the Houston GM.
Dude, you act like Houston is SB bound. I would give the Bears of the last 6 weeks a very solid shot at beating Houston.
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And again, I mentioned drafting Brock Bowers and you came in with the ridiculous “cans do that gotta draft OL,” as if you’d draft a guard or center that high. You can address both needs in an offseason.
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For sure - but other QBs have thrown INTs on Hail Marys and they count, so it doesn’t make sense to remove them for Fields when you can’t remove them from everyone.
The first one a little different since it literally wasn’t an INT, but I took them both out anyway in the number I posted earlier.
Now add in 110 more yards a TD. Since, you know, drops.
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I won’t even ask you to add in the dropped Hail Mary
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But how do you calculate that btw? Serious question. Is there some sort of calculator out there?
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Dude, you act like Houston is SB bound. I would give the Bears of the last 6 weeks a very solid shot at beating Houston.
You have to be kidding. Every QB with a pulse has kicked their ass in that time.
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2 Hail Mary INTs in one game? Fat chance. I’ll bet there aren’t more than 5-6 total for the entire league all year including Justin’s.
That they were in the same game doesn’t really matter. The point is that other guys - every other guy ever - who has thrown an INT on a Hail Mary has had it count on their numbers, so it’s pretty nice for Fields to remove them from his numbers and no one else’s.
But it doesn’t matter, I removed them and his numbers were slightly less (but still very) mediocre.
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But how do you calculate that btw? Serious question. Is there some sort of calculator out there?
Yeah pro football reference has a calculator.
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The Texans’ schedule has been as bad as the Bears. And they lost to Carolina.
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Now add in 110 more yards a TD. Since, you know, drops.
But again, if you add in drops EVERY QB’s numbers look better. Doing it for Fields but no one else makes no sense, it’s stupid. The entire statistical paradigm shifts if you start doing “but what if” stuff for every quarterback. Mahomes has the most drops in the league by quite a bit, his numbers would look a lot better with those added in too. And my guess is if I also added in easy INT drops you’d cry foul.
It’s very specifically aimed at making Fields’ numbers look better.
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Yeah pro football reference has a calculator.
Cool, did not know that.
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The Texans’ schedule has been as bad as the Bears. And they lost to Carolina.
What does that have to do with the Bear D continuing to suck ass against every QB with a pulse?
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That they were in the same game doesn’t really matter. The point is that other guys - every other guy ever - who has thrown an INT on a Hail Mary has had it count on their numbers, so it’s pretty nice for Fields to remove them from his numbers and no one else’s.
But it doesn’t matter, I removed them and his numbers were slightly less (but still very) mediocre.
Well it’s still going to hurt your “last 5” rating a fair bit.
No one here has ever made the case that Justin Fields is without flaws and is a fully developed franchise quarterback. But with better talent and better coaching, I’m pretty convinced you can win at a high level with him. He’s never been in anything close to an optimal situation and he’s still standing, and you could still get a 2nd and a 3rd for him today according to many people. That means there’s still no shortage of people who believe in him.
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Well it’s still going to hurt your “last 5” rating a fair bit.
No one here has ever made the case that Justin Fields is without flaws and is a fully developed franchise quarterback. But with better talent and better coaching, I’m pretty convinced you can win at a high level with him. He’s never been in anything close to an optimal situation and he’s still standing, and you could still get a 2nd and a 3rd for him today according to many people.
Like I said, his rating in the last five games was 82 with the INTs removed.
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What does that have to do with the Bear D continuing to suck ass against every QB with a pulse?
Jared Goff was a leading MVP candidate until he ran into the Bears twice.
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Jared Goff was a leading MVP candidate until he ran into the Bears twice.
So we are omitting the 4th quarters at Detroit and Cleveland, like we omit Hail Mary INTs, in claiming the Bear D is on the "verge of being elite"?
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“The interior of that offensive line has just been a dumpster fire all season, just shockingly incompetent.” JT O’Sullivan
Really????
https://x.com/polesplseat/status/1740822585666085067?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Really????
https://x.com/polesplseat/status/1740822585666085067?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
They do seem to give Fields time on more than a few occasions to just tap the ball while missing wide open receivers and not throw it.
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Jared Goff was a leading MVP candidate until he ran into the Bears twice.
Uh, he was?
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Uh, he was?
According to the Eberlose defenders and FFFs, who seem to have merged these days.
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They do seem to give Fields time on more than a few occasions to just tap the ball while missing wide open receivers and not throw it.
Yeah, a lot of sacks are Fields’ fault for hanging on to the ball too long and not throwing the damn thing 😂
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According to the Eberlose defenders and FFFs, who seem to have merged these days.
I mean it’s possible, he’s had a good year and the Lions are obviously pretty solid. I just hadn’t heard anyone mention him as an MVP candidate at all until that post.
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Really????
https://x.com/polesplseat/status/1740822585666085067?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
The FFF's would have you believe that Fields is on his back immediately after the snap of the ball.
The Bears offensive line is far from elite but Fields has had more than adequate time on dropbacks to scan the field. He just doesn't do that very well and often times it leads to a sack because no offensive lineman alive can hold a block forever.
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Really????
https://x.com/polesplseat/status/1740822585666085067?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Something doesn’t add up there. That’s only 10 sacks. The rest of the OL can’t be responsible for that many. I think pressures would probably be a much better stat.
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The FFF's would have you believe that Fields is on his back immediately after the snap of the ball.
The Bears offensive line is far from elite but Fields has had more than adequate time on dropbacks to scan the field. He just doesn't do that very well and often times it leads to a sack because no offensive lineman alive can hold a block forever.
He’d be on his back a lot more if it weren’t for his elusiveness. Kirk Cousins or a similar quarterback wouldn’t want to play behind this line I wouldn’t think.
I’ve watched a lot of the All22 this year. Way too many missed assignments and weird blocking schemes. Lucas Patrick has been abysmal all year.
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The FFF's would have you believe that Fields is on his back immediately after the snap of the ball.
The Bears offensive line is far from elite but Fields has had more than adequate time on dropbacks to scan the field. He just doesn't do that very well and often times it leads to a sack because no offensive lineman alive can hold a block forever.
They still do not pass block well on obvious passing downs.
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In the A22 there are multiple guys taking Ls on virtually every play. Tackles are sometimes asked to pull and block someone in the A gap or someone on a sweep. Multiple times this year saw Wright hand off a DE to a receiver or RB.
You should see Tonyan’s film after Kmet went out last week. Literally looked like he was afraid of contact.
A lot to clean up on this offense, and it’s not all quarterback play.
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DJ Moore running 80 yards (after motion) on dummy routes. A lot of baffling stuff.
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There was literally a “triangle of death” formation as I like to call it where it looked like DJ and Mooney were lined up to block for Tonyan on a quick screen.
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That might’ve been the play where O’Sullivan said if I’m Justin, I just pretend my headset went out.
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To be fair, O’Sullivan says Justin has too many curious turn downs and that his footwork is too slow, which is odd because he’s “not a slow player.” But he also says he can’t be sure that he’s not being coached that way, and that he feels that’s largely correctable. He is clearly no fan of the scheme, execution, and play-calling.
A lot of the offense is Justin bailing things ou with his athleticism. Is beyond confounded that they haven’t done more to play to his strengths.
If I had a dollar for every time he criticized scheme and execution I’d have free Patreon for all of us. He clowned Kmet a lot but says he’s a good blocker and has improved. Says DJ is a really good player, but not a top 10 and probably doesn’t run the full route tree which I’d agree with. Pair him with a true outside X like MHJ and that could be special.
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It’s clear that Getsy doesn’t really understand how to use his personnel. I’m not totally against brining Getsy back (mostly so as not to have to overhaul everything for a 3rd time in 4 years), but I’d definitely try to bring in a co-coordinator who will have a strong voice and be empowered. Kubiak from SF might be a good choice. Overpay him if you need to and he and Getsy can iron out the offense in Feb and March. If the Bears were to invest in the offense and in Fields, I think there’s a very good chance it would pay off.
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I’d try to yank someone off Shanahan’s or McVay’s coaching staff.
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Or, just trade the first pick to the Chargers for Justin Herbert. That’s a move I wouldn’t criticize.
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He’d be on his back a lot more if it weren’t for his elusiveness. Kirk Cousins or a similar quarterback wouldn’t want to play behind this line I wouldn’t think.
I’ve watched a lot of the All22 this year. Way too many missed assignments and weird blocking schemes. Lucas Patrick has been abysmal all year.
And yet you mocked and ridiculed me for saying the line sucked and claimed only a Center was needed.
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They still do not pass block well on obvious passing downs.
[Cut and paste my comments about you ridiculing me for criticizing the offensive line.]
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In the A22 there are multiple guys taking Ls on virtually every play. Tackles are sometimes asked to pull and block someone in the A gap or someone on a sweep. Multiple times this year saw Wright hand off a DE to a receiver or RB.
You should see Tonyan’s film after Kmet went out last week. Literally looked like he was afraid of contact.
A lot to clean up on this offense, and it’s not all quarterback play.
[Cut and paste my comments about you ridiculing me for criticizing the offensive line.]
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It’s clear that Getsy doesn’t really understand how to use his personnel. I’m not totally against brining Getsy back (mostly so as not to have to overhaul everything for a 3rd time in 4 years), but I’d definitely try to bring in a co-coordinator who will have a strong voice and be empowered. Kubiak from SF might be a good choice. Overpay him if you need to and he and Getsy can iron out the offense in Feb and March. If the Bears were to invest in the offense and in Fields, I think there’s a very good chance it would pay off.
Patently absurd. No one like Kubiak is coming here to be co-anything with Getsy.
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I’d try to yank someone off Shanahan’s or McVay’s coaching staff.
Those guys call the plays. Won't bringing in someone from their staff be like bringing in Nagy or Getsy as your OC?
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[Cut and paste my comments about you ridiculing me for criticizing the offensive line.]
Yep, its why we can't draft Brock Bowers...
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Those guys call the plays. Won't bringing in someone from their staff be like bringing in Nagy or Getsy as your OC?
I'm more worried about fixing the.details of the offense and improving quarterback play than finding someone experienced in play-calling
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For the 79th time, I think the offensive line will get better with a good upgrade at Center, and the rest of the line is probably serviceable. They are still young and should improve with experience and time played together as a unit. Doesn't mean I wouldn't spend a draft choice and maybe some FA money on the OLine. By far the biggest need is Center. If that 2nd 1st turns out to be about the 13th pick in the draft, I'd even consider seeing if KC would take that pick for Creed Humphrey. 24 years old, 2nd team All-Pro last year. Would be a massive upgrade for the OL.
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If MHJ had played tonight, he would have experienced what it is like to play with Fields as your QB.
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😂
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Lance Keinholz is no Miller Moss.
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My bad, Lincoln Kienholz.
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Wow; that kid was USA Today’s national athlete of the year, huh? Rough.
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Lance Keinholz is no Miller Moss.
That's for damn sure.
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How would you feel about trading that 2nd 1st for a 24 year old All-Pro Center, PAMan? I wouldn’t if it’s top 10.
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If it’s 13 or 14 yes, I think I’d do it. Could anchor your line for the next 7-10 years.
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How would you feel about trading that 2nd 1st for a 24 year old All-Pro Center, PAMan? I wouldn’t if it’s top 10.
Hmmm. Would wait until the end of the season to look at what's available, costs, etc. Don't you think?
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Of course, but in theory I think I’d trade the 11th-15th pick in the draft for a guy who looks poised to be the next Jason Kelce.
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If I am Ryan Poles, I am eyeing Washington with that number three pick and I am going to pickpocket them for Terry McLaurin and then if Marvin Harrison Junior is not there at three, I can trade down two or three more spots for a team hungry for that second quarterback And still end up with a Malik Nabers or a Brock Bowers.
Sure you can gamble on Caleb Williams being that 25% that works out at the top of the draft or you can stockpile and talent and that draft pick can potentially do for you what the Herschel Walker trade did for Dallas
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Why would anyone watch college bowl games that aren’t playoff games?
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Unless it’s your team
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No one is working, kids aren’t in school, and it’s football.
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and it’s football.
Barely.
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If I am Ryan Poles, I am eyeing Washington with that number three pick and I am going to pickpocket them for Terry McLaurin and then if Marvin Harrison Junior is not there at three, I can trade down two or three more spots for a team hungry for that second quarterback And still end up with a Malik Nabers or a Brock Bowers.
Sure you can gamble on Caleb Williams being that 25% that works out at the top of the draft or you can stockpile and talent and that draft pick can potentially do for you what the Herschel Walker trade did for Dallas
Stockpiling a bunch of talent that’s dependent on good QB play without a QB isn’t the foolproof plan you’re selling here.
I’m curious what the hit rate is on top-10 WRs. Surely there have been enough busts there lately that you should be posting those lists all the time as evidence of how risky Nabers or MHJ is to pick, right?
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Stockpiling a bunch of talent that’s dependent on good QB play without a QB isn’t the foolproof plan you’re selling here.
I’m curious what the hit rate is on top-10 WRs. Surely there have been enough busts there lately that you should be posting those lists all the time as evidence of how risky Nabers or MHJ is to pick, right?
We get it. You really dislike Justin Fields. If he doesn’t improve, you can find a quarterback elsewhere, which is exactly what Philly, SF, KC, and Baltimore did. Mahomes was drafted by far the highest at 10. Drafting a guy #1 doesn’t guarantee you shit. Over the last 50 years #1 overall quarterbacks were meh or worse a good 65% of the time.
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Seems like WRs have been busting less lately. These kids coming out are so polished nowadays. MHJ will not bust unless he is injured or effs up off the field.
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The year Fields came out you had Chase, Waddle, and DeVonta Smith in the top 10. All great players.
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You are probably right on the WR bust rates viz a viz the QB bust rates. Does not mean you don't try to hit on a QB though.
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The Eagles outdueled Tom Brady in the SB with Nick Foles. Build the roster.
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You are probably right on the WR bust rates viz a viz the QB bust rates. Does not mean you don't try to hit on a QB though.
But you don’t have to do it with the #1 overall pick. There’s at least a 50% chance one of these other quarterbacks in the 1st round or 2 is as good or better than Williams as a pro.
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Seems like WRs have been busting less lately. These kids coming out are so polished nowadays. MHJ will not bust unless he is injured or effs up off the field.
top-10 picks at WR since 2000
Drake London, Garrett Wilson, Ja’Marr Chase, Jaylen Waddle, De’Vonta Smith, Corey Davis, Mike Williams, John Ross, Amari Cooper, Kevin White, Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Tavon Austin, Justin Blackmon, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Derrius Heyward-Bey, Michael Crabtree, Calvin Johnson, Ted Ginn Jr., Braylon Edwards, Troy Williamson, the other Mike Williams, Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Reggie Williams, Charles Rogers, Andre Johnson, David Terrell, Koren Robinson, Peter Warrick, Plaxico Burress.
Pretty similar to the QB list. A few HOFers, a few huge busts, a bunch of “just a guy” types. Often the best WR wasn’t the first WR taken in a given draft.
No one here, including you, knows if MHJ will be a bust. More likely if he ends up on a team with a QB who isn’t a very good passer obviously.
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Of the current top-5 in receptions and receiving yards, one was a first round pick (not top-10 pick).
The guy I think is the best in the league was a fifth round pick. It’s probably the deepest position in the NFL, and most likely to find a top guy later in the draft
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WRs in the last 6-8 years IMO are coming into the NFL the most ready to play players. Sure, there a few busts, but the hit rate is higher than at QB. MHJ is as sure a thing as there is, and Nabers has unbelievable talent. Plus, I’d rather bust at 6 with a bunch of high draft picks in my pocket than bust at 1 with nothing left.
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The last 8 years of that list go through John Ross. Not … super good. Not terrible, Chase is an obvious stud and Waddle/Devonta are solid number 2’s for their teams. But far from some murderer’s row of WR.
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I count about 10 HOFers on your list. And they didn’t have to be taken #1 overall. In fact, none of them were.
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I will say though, that your ability to compile lists and stats quickly is impressive.
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Of the current top-5 in receptions and receiving yards, one was a first round pick (not top-10 pick).
The guy I think is the best in the league was a fifth round pick. It’s probably the deepest position in the NFL, and most likely to find a top guy later in the draft
Again, you can find a WR (or even a quarterback) anywhere. Hell, Kurt Warner was famously stocking shelves shortly before he rocketed to fame. I’d rather build up my roster and turn the 1st pick into 5-6 high picks. And WR is a safer pick than quarterback. It doesn’t guarantee anything, of course. But if he busts, I still have like 3-4 more high 1sts and a couple 2nds.
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Plus, in my scenario I’m getting a proven top 30 NFL receiver.
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A guy who is on his way to his 4th consecutive 1,000 yard season despite never having a good quarterback. His situation has been much like DJs was.
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This guy caught 87 passes with what was left of Alex Smith and Duane Haskins as his quarterbacks.
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Again, you can find a WR (or even a quarterback) anywhere. Hell, Kurt Warner was famously stocking shelves shortly before he rocketed to fame. I’d rather build up my roster and turn the 1st pick into 5-6 high picks. And WR is a safer pick than quarterback. It doesn’t guarantee anything, of course. But if he busts, I still have like 3-4 more high 1sts and a couple 2nds.
A WR in the top 10 obviously isn’t a particularly safe pick. If it was that list would look different.
But I know, MHJ can’t miss - a scouting report told you.
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If you put McLaurin on the Chiefs or the Chargers, the last few years, he’s a top 12 wide receiver
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If you put McLaurin on the Chiefs or the Chargers, the last few years, he’s a top 12 wide receiver
You sure do have all the answers to all the “nobody can know” hypotheticals
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SMH. He’s been a premium producer the last 4 years with maybe the worst QB play in the league over that span. McLaurin is a proven talent. Go ahead and nitpick hypotheticals, though. What isn’t a hypothetical is he’d be a massive upgrade to the Bears WR corps.
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In case you’re unsure of how good Terry McLaurin is.
https://youtu.be/RDCcDil-Few
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Those highlights are amazing. Beating Jaire Alexander deep for a TD. Then beating him in a game winning situation. Deep balls, contested catches, catch and runs. Clutch catches. Hell of a player.
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He and DJ would be fantastic together. Then you add in Nabers or Bowers, or maybe even MHj. Damn.
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Sounds like a great core of WR that needs a QB who has shown the ability to move the ball through the air consistently to not be disappointing.
I have no doubt that if the Bears’ WR core next year is DJ/McLaurin/MHJ next year you’ll still make excuses for Fields if he doesn’t play well.
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Sounds like a great core of WR that needs a QB who has shown the ability to move the ball through the air consistently to not be disappointing.
I have no doubt that if the Bears’ WR core next year is DJ/McLaurin/MHJ next year you’ll still make excuses for Fields if he doesn’t play well.
It’s because he is a FFF and not a BFF…
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Hey guys, Spark doesn’t think Justin Fields can pass. I look forward to more of this fresh insight.
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Sounds like a great core of WR that needs a QB who has shown the ability to move the ball through the air consistently to not be disappointing.
I have no doubt that if the Bears’ WR core next year is DJ/McLaurin/MHJ next year you’ll still make excuses for Fields if he doesn’t play well.
Okerrrr. PAMan Jr stuff here.
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Yes, because the roster the last two years would be so similar to that. FFS
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Hey guys, Spark doesn’t think Justin Fields can pass. I look forward to more of this fresh insight.
This isn’t controversial…
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This isn’t controversial…
Okerrr. People once thought Hurts and Allen couldn’t pass.
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Okerrr. People once thought Hurts and Allen couldn’t pass.
Look at the backlash Hurts has gotten recently. Even from you…
Edit- Allen too. You say he’s regressing…
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Regardless of any of that, they are still considered “elite” quarterbacks. As they should be. Elite doesn’t seem to mean what it used to, though.
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I’m pretty sure Allen has been really good the last month. First Half of the season he was all over the place. The Bills have shown up since their back was to the wall.
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Judging by his stats he’s been ok. Not great. He was a turnover machine the times I’ve watched him this year.
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And Allen is 10 times a better passer than both of those two. I wouldn’t give Hurts a massive deal either to be honest.
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And again, I know that Spark hates excuses; but Allen took a jump as a passer when the talent was upgraded around him, and he also had continuity which Justin has not had.
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It’s funny how a guy can go from literally the highest rated passer in the college PFF era to “can’t pass at all.” Ever considered that his surroundings and support just aren’t adequate?
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It’s funny how a guy can go from literally the highest rated passer in the college PFF era to “can’t pass at all.” Ever considered that his surroundings and support just aren’t adequate?
Like all of Spurrier's Florida QBs?
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It’s funny how a guy can go from literally the highest rated passer in the college PFF era to “can’t pass at all.” Ever considered that his surroundings and support just aren’t adequate?
Dude it’s college. What the fuck are you smoking?! We’ve seen he’s not good when he doesn’t have talent that’s 10 x’s better than everyone else running around wide the fuck open everywhere…
That’s to be determined with Williams in the NFL but scouts are much higher on his passing ability than Fields ever. Even with all that production in college there’s a reason Fields went later in the draft. And NOBODY said he’s a great passer like they do Williams and comparing him to Rodgers. WTF ARE YOU SMOKING?!
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Dude it’s college. What the fuck are you smoking?! We’ve seen he’s not good when he doesn’t have talent that’s 10 x’s better than everyone else running around wide the fuck open everywhere…
That’s to be determined with Williams in the NFL but scouts are much higher on his passing ability than Fields ever. Even with all that production in college there’s a reason Fields went later in the draft. And NOBODY said he’s a great passer like they do Williams and comparing him to Rodgers. WTF ARE YOU SMOKING?!
“bUT caLeB iS a GuRAnTeED fRaNChiSe qB.”
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“Later in the draft?” He went one spot later than Mahomes did.
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“bUT caLeB iS a GuRAnTeED fRaNChiSe qB.”
But what are you smoking?
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gUyS wIdE oPEn aLL oVeR thE fiELd
https://youtu.be/MXCYiU5MI1I?si=6lrYBWOsZPNa1fJF
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gUyS wIdE oPEn aLL oVeR thE fiELd
https://youtu.be/MXCYiU5MI1I?si=6lrYBWOsZPNa1fJF
I bet I saw at least 10 passes in that video that weren’t to “wide open all over the field” guys.
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Now am I saying that college passing translates perfectly to the NFL? No. But I don’t think you become the highest rated passer in college in like a 10 year period without being able to pass a little bit.
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Hey guys, Spark doesn’t think Justin Fields can pass. I look forward to more of this fresh insight.
Surely a less controversial take than the opposite - I see I’ve missed a meltdown from you over an obvious statement though.
Yes a great WR core is great, and will be limited by a guy who can’t throw. Maybe Fields will suddenly become a guy who can, but he has not been that far. Crazy to think anyone could try to argue that point.
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Like all of Spurrier's Florida QBs?
Those guys were typically smaller stature, weak armed marginal athletes. None of that describes Justin Fields.
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And again, I know that Spark hates excuses; but Allen took a jump as a passer when the talent was upgraded around him, and he also had continuity which Justin has not had.
And Fields did not make that jump when he got a similar top WR. If he had, we would not be having this conversation.
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It’s funny how a guy can go from literally the highest rated passer in the college PFF era to “can’t pass at all.” Ever considered that his surroundings and support just aren’t adequate?
Ever consider that his surroundings and support were so dominant in college that he may just not be a good passer at the pro level, that maybe this PFF rating from four years ago with four top-20 pick WR isn’t actually a particularly compelling data point after three full NFL seasons?
I mean, rhetorical question, but…
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I’ve seen you repeat “most accurate passer in the PFF era” at least a few dozen times.
Without looking it up, what does that mean? What is being measured?
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“bUT caLeB iS a GuRAnTeED fRaNChiSe qB.”
Who are you quoting?
Like it’d be so easy for me to just argue against “but Caleb is a guaranteed bust and Fields is the next Tom Brady!” But no one here is saying anything like that so it wouldn’t be a very good argument.
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And Fields did not make that jump when he got a similar top WR. If he had, we would not be having this conversation.
But he also has less supporting infrastructure. His coaching is worse. His line play is worse. His receiving depth is worse. His numbers to DJ are about as good as it gets.
What if the Bears had given him a real OC instead of a novice whose main qualifications were holding an iPad for Aaron Rodgers, and one year of coaching Nick Fitzgerald at MS St. a guy who had a senior season exactly like his two previous seasons before Getsy except with a worse completion percentage.
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We can probably thank the cheap McCaskeys for that hire. McCaskeys…
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gUyS wIdE oPEn aLL oVeR thE fiELd
https://youtu.be/MXCYiU5MI1I?si=6lrYBWOsZPNa1fJF
I mean yeah, good throws but a lot of these dudes were pretty open. That isn’t a rip on Fields, he still made the throws.
20 of the 27 completed passes here were to top-20 draft picks. All 27 were to top-101 picks.
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Look no further than Nathaniel Hackett to see how that former staff is doing.
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Hackett and Getsy could legitimately be the two worst coordinators in the league.
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Poles getting his 2nd rounder (and a lot more back from Washington would be some Kevin Costner/Draft Day type shit lol).
https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/12/commanders-could-be-in-on-usc-qb-caleb-williams
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A WR in the top 10 obviously isn’t a particularly safe pick. If it was that list would look different.
But I know, MHJ can’t miss - a scouting report told you.
I’d say over half of them were “hits,” with 8 or 9 being slam dunk HOFers. That’s a pretty good ratio.
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I think over the last 7-8 years Wr has become the easiest position to project.
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I’d say over half of them were “hits,” with 8 or 9 being slam dunk HOFers. That’s a pretty good ration.
Pretty similar ratios to the QB list which you insist is far too risky to draft high - you’ve posted that list a bunch of times. Some great guys, some huge busts, mostly just “guys”. And obviously WR is far deeper and you’re far more likely to get a great one in later rounds.
None of that is really important to you though because you are dug in on Justin Fields despite his play so far.
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I think over the last 7-8 years Wr has become the easiest position to project.
Yes this is why the best guy in the league was picked in the fifth round and most of the most productive guys at the position weren’t drFted high.
Can’t make it up. The actual results just don’t matter to you in the face of defending Justin Fields.
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I count about 10 HOFers on your list. And they didn’t have to be taken #1 overall. In fact, none of them were.
Name the 10 HOFers
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Pretty similar ratios to the QB list which you insist is far too risky to draft high - you’ve posted that list a bunch of times. Some great guys, some huge busts, mostly just “guys”. And obviously WR is far deeper and you’re far more likely to get a great one in later rounds.
None of that is really important to you though because you are dug in on Justin Fields despite his play so far.
I think the miss rate is higher on #1 overall QBs. And we’re comparing top 10s to 1s. And again, if you bust at 5 with Nabers, you’ve still got a Terry McLaurin and a large handful of high picks in my scenario. Solid chance Washington would give you a top 3 pick next year (2025).
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top-10 picks at WR since 2000
Drake London, Garrett Wilson, Ja’Marr Chase, Jaylen Waddle, De’Vonta Smith, Corey Davis, Mike Williams, John Ross, Amari Cooper, Kevin White, Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Tavon Austin, Justin Blackmon, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Derrius Heyward-Bey, Michael Crabtree, Calvin Johnson, Ted Ginn Jr., Braylon Edwards, Troy Williamson, the other Mike Williams, Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Reggie Williams, Charles Rogers, Andre Johnson, David Terrell, Koren Robinson, Peter Warrick, Plaxico Burress.
Pretty similar to the QB list. A few HOFers, a few huge busts, a bunch of “just a guy” types. Often the best WR wasn’t the first WR taken in a given draft.
No one here, including you, knows if MHJ will be a bust. More likely if he ends up on a team with a QB who isn’t a very good passer obviously.
Slam dunks: AJ Green, Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Mike Evans,
Maybe: Amari Cooper, Roy Williams (1x All Pro, 5x pro bowler)
Hall of Really Good: Crabtree, Mike Williams (Chargers)
HOF trajectory: Chase, Waddle (251 catches/3 1,000 yard seasons to start career). Devonta Smith off to a really good start in his career.
London and Wilson have loads of potential but are stuck in really bad situations.
Watkins’ two best years were 1 and 2 and was never quite the same after an injury.
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Andre Johnson is on his third try and hasn’t gotten in yet. Calvin’s already in. Julio, Fitz, and AJ are getting in. If he stays healthy Chase will get in.
Mike Evans is a maybe, but probably not IMO.
Roy Williams has no chance. That he’s even on your maybe list is awesome. Think you grabbed the safety’s achievements - the WR was a 1x pro bowler.
Waddle is on pace to have a very good career, but not a HOF one. Devonta Smith would have to explode to have a chance. Both are the second WR on their current team behind guys that weren’t high picks, obviously young though.
I count 5 likely HOF guys, with a couple “maybe probably not”s and a couple “maybe if they really blow up to finish their career”s.
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I think Mike Evans has 10 1,000 yard seasons in 10 years. He’s in.
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I think Mike Evans has 10 1,000 yard seasons in 10 years. He’s in.
Okay, probably fair.
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Smith has 250 receptions in his first three years. If he keeps it up. He’s a probable HOF. Same with Waddle. When Hill ages out, he’ll be the clear 1 in Miami if he’s still there. The production these two have put up first three years is pretty rare. It only seems normal because of what young receivers are doing these days, which supports my point.
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Ha, you’re right on Williams. Thought that seemed a bit high for him. Ok, put him in the Hall of Pretty Solid.
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Pretty similar ratios to the QB list which you insist is far too risky to draft high - you’ve posted that list a bunch of times. Some great guys, some huge busts, mostly just “guys”. And obviously WR is far deeper and you’re far more likely to get a great one in later rounds.
None of that is really important to you though because you are dug in on Justin Fields despite his play so far.
The vast majority of the current top receivers in the league were 1st and 2nd rounders. A few exceptions. Hill, Diggs, Kupp.
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Ha, you’re right on Williams. Thought that seemed a bit high for him. Ok, put him in the Hall of Pretty Solid.
He was pretty solidly just “a guy”
The safety was good though.
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The vast majority of the current top receivers in the league were 1st and 2nd rounders. A few exceptions. Hill, Diggs, Kupp.
And Puka, Keenan Allen, AR St Brown, Godwin etc (pulling dudes from the top 20 of the receptions/yardage lists this year). WR is the deepest position in the league probably right? Probably close to the most likely to pick a top guy outside the first couple rounds too.
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82 receptions 1300 yard season pretty good for JAG. Looks like he missed a large chunk of the next year had good numbers for 12 games. Not a great player, not what I would call a bust. Drafted too high for sure.
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And Puka, Keenan Allen, AR St Brown, Godwin etc (pulling dudes from the top 20 of the receptions/yardage lists this year). WR is the deepest position in the league probably right? Probably close to the most likely to pick a top guy outside the first couple rounds too.
Yes, I would say it is. And most of the top young WRs were drafted 1st or 2nd round. 3rd also has a handful of really good ones. After that, it’s spotty.
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Ok, this is funny.
https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2023/12/30/24018405/19-of-chicago-bears-fans-will-move-on-if-the-team-lets-their-favorite-player-go-justin-fields
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Ok, this is funny.
https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2023/12/30/24018405/19-of-chicago-bears-fans-will-move-on-if-the-team-lets-their-favorite-player-go-justin-fields
Lol, yikes.
I assume the way we will all find out “what they decided” via a trade - either they trade Fields, or they trade the 1 pick - and I will fully acknowledge no matter who gets traded I will be glad to stop talking about it.
I think it’s pretty clear at this point what the decision should be obviously, but no matter what they do I’m ready to stop talking about it. It’s not like I’m going to stop being a Bears fan if they stick with Fields, I just think it’s an obvious and easily avoided mistake.
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Frank Reich’s name being thrown around as a potential Asst HC/OC. And not just by Tweeters with 17 followers. Would certainly be a step up in competence.
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Darrell Bevell would be a fantastic hire.
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Frank Reich’s name being thrown around as a potential Asst HC/OC. And not just by Tweeters with 17 followers. Would certainly be a step up in competence.
I wouldn’t mind that. With a different QB though, but if they keep Fields he’d be a good OC.
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Cardinals winning almost guarantees MHJ to Bears at 3 if they want him (if trade down, of course they want him).
If Poles plays his cards right this offense could be loaded next year.
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Washington has leapfrogged NE for the time being to go to 2. If they trade down would much rather seen Washington at 3. They are the much better trade candidate. Can’t think of a single Patriot the Bears would even want. NE plays the Jets at home (a game I could easily see NE winning), and Washington plays Dallas @ home. If they both were to lose (hopefully) I think NE would jump them because difficulty of schedule shifts their position (I think). Could easily see Poles targeting McLaurin if he trades down.
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Greg Gabriel hinting that he’s been told some things.
(https://i.postimg.cc/nVjGQ2Gn/IMG-6168.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3zmChrr)
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This is a well written tweet from CHGO Podcast guy that was off of Fields.
Here’s a scenario that makes a ton of sense to me. Flus is back, Fields is back, and even Getsy is back but with Frank Reich coming in to be “Assistant Head Coach,” but also have a hand in cleaning up the details of the offense and mentoring Getsy so to speak. That would make a hell of a lot of sense to me.
https://x.com/gbraggsjr23/status/1741878513861275940?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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This is a well written tweet from CHGO Podcast guy that was off of Fields.
Here’s a scenario that makes a ton of sense to me. Flus is back, Fields is back, and even Getsy is back but with Frank Reich coming in to be “Assistant Head Coach,” but also have a hand in cleaning up the details of the offense and mentoring Getsy so to speak. That would make a hell of a lot of sense to me.
https://x.com/gbraggsjr23/status/1741878513861275940?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
I’ll be the first to say, that has a 0% probability chance of happening. It’s just absurd on many levels. For Reich and the current staff. Why the fuck would this staff let Reich come in and “mentor” people. That’s ridiculous.
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I’ll be the first to say, that has a 0% probability chance of happening. It’s just absurd on many levels. For Reich and the current staff. Why the fuck would this staff let Reich come in and “mentor” people. That’s ridiculous.
Why couldn’t it?
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Will it happen? Obviously since I’m just a fan who’s spitballing, probably not. But I don’t see any reason it would be “absurd on many levels.”
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I’ll be the first to say, that has a 0% probability chance of happening. It’s just absurd on many levels. For Reich and the current staff. Why the fuck would this staff let Reich come in and “mentor” people. That’s ridiculous.
Still waiting for an explanation on why it would be “absurd on many levels.” I’d take one or two levels.
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Still waiting for an explanation on why it would be “absurd on many levels.” I’d take one or two levels.
None of those egos are gonna allow that. Reich isn’t gonna be allowed to come in there and hold Getsy’s hand. You’re delusional. And Flus sure as fuck isn’t gonna let him come in and be the “Special Assistant to the Head Coach.” Just stop it. They might fire Getsy and hire Reich, but they ain’t bringing him in to “mentor” him.
Side note- if they keep Getsy and Fields, get the weapons you stated, I can’t wait till next year when Fields still sucks for all the excuses that it’s Getsy’s fault lol.
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You sound angry.
Flus and Reich obviously have a relationship. There are credible rumors he’s coming here to be Assistant Head Coach and OC, anyway. You think Getsy would say no if he was told “Reich is coming in to help with the offense, or you can hit the bricks.” Getsy would have almost zero chance getting another coordinator job anytime soon, if ever. I think you are overreacting to the word “mentor.” Reich would come in to help improve the offense and provide a fresh perspective. Upgrade the offensive coaching. You are totally overreacting with the “egos” wouldn’t allow it take.
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Side note- if they keep Getsy and Fields, get the weapons you stated, I can’t wait till next year when Fields still sucks for all the excuses that it’s Getsy’s fault lol.
What are you, 12?
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I wouldn’t mind that. With a different QB though, but if they keep Fields he’d be a good OC.
You even conceded here that bringing him in would be a good idea. Whose “ego” would get in the way of this happening? It ain’t Getsy’s because he’s got no leverage.
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If the Bears managed to get a 2nd round pick or trade down with the other 1st, I would not be opposed to McCarthy, Nix, or Penix being added to the mix.
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Why do you think Reich would be an upgrade? He's been fired from, what, his last 2 jobs where he was brought in to mentor young QBs?
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Why do you think Reich would be an upgrade? He's been fired from, what, his last 2 jobs where he was brought in to mentor young QBs?
I one millionty percent expected this response. Before he went 1-10 with a wretched Carolina team he had a career .547 winning percentage as an NFL coach. Very respectable.
He wasn’t fired in Carolina for incompetence, he was fired because of philosophical differences and a meddlesome owner who runs a dysfunctional franchise (did you see the video from yesterday where the owner threw his drink on a fan?).
Reich reportedly wanted to draft Stroud. The owner insisted on Bryce Young. Reich would be an upgrade at HC for at least 8-10 franchises. And hate to say, the Bears could be one of those.
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Mentor 2 young quarterbacks? His last year in Indy he had what was left of Matt Ryan and Nick Foles.
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If the Bears managed to get a 2nd round pick or trade down with the other 1st, I would not be opposed to McCarthy, Nix, or Penix being added to the mix.
Nix just broke the all time NCAA completion % record after his performance today
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Nix just broke the all time NCAA completion % record after his performance today
Noice. But fair warning, Justin Fields is the highest rated passer of the college PFF era lol.
I’d definitely be interested in drafting a guy like Nix and letting him learn a year or two before getting a chance to play.
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I one millionty percent expected this response. Before he went 1-10 with a wretched Carolina team he had a career .547 winning percentage as an NFL coach. Very respectable.
He wasn’t fired in Carolina for incompetence, he was fired because of philosophical differences and a meddlesome owner who runs a dysfunctional franchise (did you see the video from yesterday where the owner threw his drink on a fan?).
Reich reportedly wanted to draft Stroud. The owner insisted on Bryce Young. Reich would be an upgrade at HC for at least 8-10 franchises. And hate to say, the Bears could be one of those.
You expected it but had not addressed it anyway.
So he has a different QB each year in Indy. Couldn't develop Young. And he is a Bible thumper. Sounds like he would be great for Fields.
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“Couldn’t develop Young” in 11 games with a really bad offensive line, no real weapons (the only good one was traded to the Bears), and a meddlesome owner. LMAO You have the patience level of a spoiled 4 year old.
I’m really glad you weren’t POTUS circa 1861.
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“Couldn’t develop Young” in 11 games with a really bad offensive line, no real weapons (the only good one was traded to the Bears), and a meddlesome owner. LMAO You have the patience level of a spoiled 4 year old.
I’m really glad you weren’t POTUS circa 1861.
And he lasted how long as Carolina HC?
Fucking Lee would have been in JAIL in 1861!
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“Couldn’t develop Young” in 11 games with a really bad offensive line, no real weapons (the only good one was traded to the Bears), and a meddlesome owner. LMAO You have the patience level of a spoiled 4 year old.
I’m really glad you weren’t POTUS circa 1861.
Lincoln was not known for his patience with generals for the Army of the Potomac, was he? That's why he was a winner, at least until he got that bullet in the brain.
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Noice. But fair warning, Justin Fields is the highest rated passer of the college PFF era lol.
I’d definitely be interested in drafting a guy like Nix and letting him learn a year or two before getting a chance to play.
yea fields was insane in college
always a crap shoot haha
you can tune in to watch Penix play right now!!! he's also very very good
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And he lasted how long as Carolina HC?
Fucking Lee would have been in JAIL in 1861!
I JUST FUCKING TOLD YOU WHY HE WAS FIRED FROM CAROLINA.
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I JUST FUCKING TOLD YOU WHY HE WAS FIRED FROM CAROLINA.
Yeah, because Young was not doing well and they were still 1-10 despite their tanking for years before.
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Baldinger loves Fields, but he’s just another dumb former player. He’s doesn’t have the football smarts of a typical HQ2 poster.
https://x.com/baldynfl/status/1741981281884250582?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Former players are football stupid. What about his passer rating?
https://x.com/baldynfl/status/1742004201503309924?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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https://x.com/baldynfl/status/1741985611118989468?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Same reason he doesn’t call slants. He’s not that bright.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mrXzrmSW/IMG-6189.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1gF5CcTv)
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What did Baldringer say about Mitch back in the day?
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What did Baldringer say about Mitch back in the day?
Dunno. I love how how the expectation is “never been wrong,” on evaluators, though. “He was wrong a guy once!? Trash opinions!” No one has a perfect track record.
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Dunno. I love how how the expectation is “never been wrong,” on evaluators, though. “He was wrong a guy once!? Trash opinions!” No one has a perfect track record.
Once you reported on Mitch I was going to ask what he said about Cutler, Orton, Shane Matthews, etc.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/6py7n15L/IMG-6191.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JsC4WxXG)
That veteran? Lucas Patrick.
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Amazing how many former players are so OBVIOUSLY football stupid.
https://x.com/beardown_17/status/1742065215297220683?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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And in cold and wintry conditions. Pretty good for a guy who can’t throw.
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I just read something about rookie QB deals that I hadn’t understood previously.
I knew there was the fifth year option for like $20-25m, but until just now I was under the impression that Fields could play next year and the Bears (or another team if he’s traded) would be able to choose during the offseason after next season whether to exercise the fifth year option, but that decision needs to be made THIS offseason, basically right after the next NFL draft.
Maybe I was the only one who didn’t get that
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Former players are football stupid. What about his passer rating?
https://x.com/baldynfl/status/1742004201503309924?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Only the ones who agree with you are credible obviously
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And in cold and wintry conditions. Pretty good for a guy who can’t throw.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pX62KWSy/IMG-6192.png) (https://postimg.cc/GHvwCCd1)
I absolutely love how when he finally plays one good game, his first in a long while, you come here and try to dunk on us.
The results don’t matter at all, unless they confirm your point.
I think everyone has acknowledged he was really good this week. It just sucks that “acknowledge when he plays in a way that contradicts my preconception” is a thing that only happens one direction in this debate - he’s been bad for weeks but you haven’t admitted that once to my knowledge
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I just read something about rookie QB deals that I hadn’t understood previously.
I knew there was the fifth year option for like $20-25m, but until just now I was under the impression that Fields could play next year and the Bears (or another team if he’s traded) would be able to choose during the offseason after next season whether to exercise the fifth year option, but that decision needs to be made THIS offseason, basically right after the next NFL draft.
Maybe I was the only one who didn’t get that
Yeah, I thought that was the case, which makes it detrimental in this draft. If you have questions about Fields long term, they need answered in THIS draft. Otherwise you’re investing A LOT of money on him if he’s not the answer and/or solution at QB.
I do think Poles will keep him and trade down. I don’t necessarily agree with that, but if I was wagering money, I think he stays.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/6py7n15L/IMG-6191.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JsC4WxXG)
There sure was a lot of info in that ESPN article you neglected to cite to.
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Only the ones who agree with you are credible obviously
Never said that. Not once. But acting like I’m going to argue my case by presenting you people who disagree with me is a pretty funny hill to defend.
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Never said that. Not once. But acting like I’m going to argue my case by presenting you people who disagree with me is a pretty funny hill to defend.
I remember Baldringer saying he liked Cade McNown.
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I absolutely love how when he finally plays one good game, his first in a long while, you come here and try to dunk on us.
The results don’t matter at all, unless they confirm your point.
I think everyone has acknowledged he was really good this week. It just sucks that “acknowledge when he plays in a way that contradicts my preconception” is a thing that only happens one direction in this debate - he’s been bad for weeks but you haven’t admitted that once to my knowledge
He can’t throw.
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I just think it’s funny how a guy who clearly can’t throw lead the league in big-time throws in cold wintry conditions
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I just think it’s funny how a guy who clearly can’t throw lead the league in big-time throws in cold wintry conditions
Half his completions (9 of 20) were to his first read in Moore. You’re gonna get those with Moore’s talent, not necessarily Fields’ passing ability. 5 others were check downs to the RB’s. So 14/20 completions prove nothing on being able to dissect defenses and spread the ball around. He hasn’t shown in 3 years the ability to do that. That’s EXTREMELY concerning…
(https://i.ibb.co/y6qLLPW/IMG-3019.png) (https://ibb.co/ByB883q)
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How do you know Moore was the first read? Just because he’s the #1 receiver doesn’t mean he’s always the first read lol. That’s not how it works. You are just making shit up.
Also heard multiple former players mention that Tyler Scott should have made those two touchdown catches. Jumped on one when he didn’t need to, and the other wasn’t an easy catch but a good receiver probably catches that more of the than not. When do we start spreading some blame around instead of laying it all at the feet of Fields?
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Fields was on point all day minus an errant one to Scott. Lol you are pulling shit out of your ass.
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How do you know Moore was the first read? Just because he’s the #1 receiver doesn’t mean he’s always the first read lol. That’s not how it works. You are just making shit up.
Also heard multiple former players mention that Tyler Scott should have made those two touchdown catches. Jumped on one when he didn’t need to, and the other wasn’t an easy catch but a good receiver probably catches that more of the than not. When do we start spreading some blame around instead of laying it all at the feet of Fields?
Are we blaming Poles for another bad receiver pick?
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Half of Dak’s completions went to his “first read,” CeeDee Lamb. Better remove him from the MVP conversation.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8C3Dj1jS/IMG-6194.png) (https://postimg.cc/gwv17bVS)
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Also, Darnell Mooney was out (not that he’s all that good anyway, but he’s our “#2”) and Kmet was clearly limited.
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Are we blaming Poles for another bad receiver pick?
There are literally about 8 people who think Poles is doing a bad job with the roster. Unfortunately 3 of them post here. But yeah, he’s not exactly nailed it on WRs outside of Moore, who was already proven. Maybe another reason to trade for McLaurin. You don’t like the way he’s building the roster, but you’re willing to trust him on the quarterback, huh? Curious position there.
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Seems to me like you should wait for Poles to get fired next year and let the next GM pick the quarterback. That at least would be a logical stance.
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There are literally about 8 people who think Poles is doing a bad job with the roster. Unfortunately 3 of them post here. But yeah, he’s not exactly nailed it on WRs outside of Moore, who was already proven. Maybe another reason to trade for McLaurin. You don’t like the way he’s building the roster, but you’re willing to trust him on the quarterback, huh? Curious position there.
I don't trust him at all, period. He hired Eberlose, after all. I think they both should be gone
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I don't trust him at all, period. He hired Eberlose, after all. I think they both should be gone
And yet you want him to pick your quarterback. Very inconsistent.
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You are do dead ass sure Poles/Flus will fail (an hour ago you even called me a “sucker” for believing in next year) yet you want them to pick a new quarterback. No logic to that at all.
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But pick my franchise quarterback, please! Lol
(https://i.postimg.cc/mg2XcJzZ/IMG-6195.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CzXHXvs9)
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And yet you want him to pick your quarterback. Very inconsistent.
No. I think he should be launched and someone else would pick/trade for a QB
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No. I think he should be launched and someone else would pick/trade for a QB
Well, that’s not happening
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You are do dead ass sure Poles/Flus will fail (an hour ago you even called me a “sucker” for believing in next year) yet you want them to pick a new quarterback. No logic to that at all.
I called you a sucker for believing this new narrative that they had tons of injuries in camp and couldn't practice, which led to the 0-4 start.
You are really awful at this.
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Well, that’s not happening
Which means another 2 years wasted
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Kyler Gordon - highest rated corner a week ago. playing at a high level.
Jaquan Brisker - 17 tackle game. playing at a high level.
Montez Sweat - transformative trade. overwhelmingly applauded (PAMan does not like)
Tyrique Stevenson - Defensibe rookie of the year candidate, statistically having as good oe better year as Devon Witherspoon.
Gervon Dexter - has probably outplayed Jalen Carter the last 6 weeks.
Darnell Wright - will lilely make All Rookie team.
TJ Edwards - outstanding FA acquistion
Traded #1 pick for DJ Moore and multpile picks, secured 1st pick 2nd year in a row.
Defense went from worst in league to top 5-10 in one season.
i could go on, but this is the guy you want to launch.
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Spellcheck absolutely sucks.
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He can’t throw.
With any consistency, correct.
Same thing I've been saying all year.
That's why you have to latch onto the one good game he has and excuse away the five before it.
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TEMPO TEMPO TEMPO!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUmsln4P2uQ
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I just think it’s funny how a guy who clearly can’t throw lead the league in big-time throws in cold wintry conditions
I bet without looking it up you could not define "big time throws" as they use it there. It's just a thing that confirmed your bias, like all the other drivel you post here.
sTaTz! <-- this is what you say when people point out his mediocre ass passing performance, but hey - led the league in "big-time throws" in cold wintry conditions in one game! Hard to argue with compelling evidence like that.
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Competent LT in 5th round.
And keep in mind, Poles did this despite not having good draft capital year one. Thanks, Ryan Pace.
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Half of Dak’s completions went to his “first read,” CeeDee Lamb. Better remove him from the MVP conversation.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8C3Dj1jS/IMG-6194.png) (https://postimg.cc/gwv17bVS)
I wonder if the MVP voters have heard about Fields leading the league in 'big time throws' this week? I assume he's a top-5 candidate after that.
I did see a thing just earlier today - coming into this season, Fields had more bets placed on him to win MVP than Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Justin Herbert combined. The only QB who had more than half as many bets on him was Hurts. Thought that was nuts, and obviously showed how far the Fields fan club had to carry those goalposts this year.
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I bet without looking it up you could not define "big time throws" as they use it there. It's just a thing that confirmed your bias, like all the other drivel you post here.
sTaTz! <-- this is what you say when people point out his mediocre ass passing performance, but hey - led the league in "big-time throws" in cold wintry conditions in one game! Hard to argue with compelling evidence like that.
PAManJR shit.
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The guy who loves stats complains that I used stats to “confirm my bias.” Funny stuff.
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PAManJR shit.
I'd say the fact that you didn't define 'big time throws' probably indicates I'm right. You don't even know what the stat means, but it confirms your bias so you rant about it.
Are his stats valid, or aren't they? You seem to flip flop on that completely based on whether they're good or bad. The stats overall paint a picture of a mediocre quarterback, but when I point that out you mock me for using the actual data to evidence my point. But then Fields has a good game, and the stats are really important (for that game).
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Someone doesn’t know how odds work, or entices gamblers.
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I'd say the fact that you didn't define 'big time throws' probably indicates I'm right. You don't even know what the stat means, but it confirms your bias so you rant about it.
Are his stats valid, or aren't they? You seem to flip flop on that completely based on whether they're good or bad. The stats overall paint a picture of a mediocre quarterback, but when I point that out you mock me for using the actual data to evidence my point. But then Fields has a good game, and the stats are really important (for that game).
I saw and read the definition. I don’t remember all of it to be quite honest, but just because I don’t know exactly what that means without having to look it up doesn’t mean he didn’t do it.
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The guy who loves stats complains that I used stats to “confirm my bias.” Funny stuff.
Yeah, I think the stats are valid whether they confirm or contradict my bias. You're the one who mocks the data when it contradicts your bias and touts it when it confirms your bias. Fields was really good this week, as I said the whole game and since.
He was also not very good the last 4-5 games, but you didn't say that once to my knowledge. You made at least a couple dozen excuses for why it wasn't actually his fault instead. It's very similar to what JJ is doing trying to discount Fields' great game this week because half his yards went to DJ.
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It was something about accurate throws down field that much I remember. Hey also fuck you.
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It was something about accurate throws down field that much I remember. Hey also fuck you.
Chef's kiss here.
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I saw and read the definition. I don’t remember all of it to be quite honest, but just because I don’t know exactly what that means without having to look it up doesn’t mean he didn’t do it.
I never said he didn't do it. He did, I've been pretty consistent in saying he was great this week despite your weird whining about how I pointed out one bad throw he made (and that they had been rare).
It's just funny to watch you - the guy who will mock anyone who uses stats to make their argument (if you don't agree with the argument) - bring up this random stat you can't define to tout Fields' game this week.
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The guy who claims to always want more knowledge and information and less bias is mad that I watched the All22 analysis from multiple former NFL quarterbacks this year and came away with different conclusions than he did.
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I never said he didn't do it. He did, I've been pretty consistent in saying he was great this week despite your weird whining about how I pointed out one bad throw he made (and that they had been rare).
It's just funny to watch you - the guy who will mock anyone who uses stats to make their argument (if you don't agree with the argument) - bring up this random stat you can't define to tout Fields' game this week.
Again, just odd that a guy who can’t throw would lead the league in BTTs (can you define it?!) in less than optimal conditions.
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I also don’t know much about rocket science, but I can tell when a rocket has done what it’s supposed to.
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Again, just odd that a guy who can’t throw would lead the league in BTTs (can you define it?!) in less than optimal conditions.
No, but I also wouldn't use that stat to make my point. If I cited Caleb Williams' 'big time throw' stats you would put that shit in your signature.
If you're really willing to come here and pretend I have said he just "can't throw" and ignore that I have said the exact same thing since the beginning of this discussion about being able to consistently move the ball as a passer, why would I continue to engage? You obviously know I never said that at all and don't care, you still typed it out and argued against it.
He was great this week.
This season overall, he has been mediocre as hell and has continued to be very inconsistent especially as a passer - the one thing we needed to see from him to justify keeping him.
Both things are true.
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And again, it's especially frustrating because when Fields is great, I come here and acknowledge that he was great.
But when he's mediocre or worse, you simply refuse to admit it no matter how obvious it was. You make a million excuses for why, how he wasn't ACTUALLY mediocre, it was everyone else's fault.
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I’ve never once doubted that Caleb Williams can throw the ball really well. So don’t know where that accusation comes from.
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I even said I was impressed by his throwing a few days ago.
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I’ve never once doubted that Caleb Williams can throw the ball really well. So don’t know where that accusation comes from.
If you want me to believe that I could come here and cite Caleb's "big throw" numbers and you wouldn't make fun of me, I don't even know what to say. That's obviously laughable.
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Obviously, just a mock, but I like the cut of its jib.
https://www.google.com/gasearch?q=commanders%20trade%20up&tbm=&shem=rime&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:3f619633,vid:TCJPdnWbuZ4,st:0
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I have zero doubt Caleb has a fantastic arm.
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It’s not Caleb’s arm that concerns me. Hell, it’s not even mostly Caleb. It’s that I don’t think the Bears have to move on from Fields. Caleb Williams as far as I know is a terrific prospect. I partially make fun of him because I know it will annoy you, and I have to endure the Fields slander (not necessarily all from you by a longshot), but I hear it every day.
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And again, it's especially frustrating because when Fields is great, I come here and acknowledge that he was great.
But when he's mediocre or worse, you simply refuse to admit it no matter how obvious it was. You make a million excuses for why, how he wasn't ACTUALLY mediocre, it was everyone else's fault.
You also go out of your way to point out every mistake (or flaw) or “possible” mistake. Even attempting to lay most of the blame on him for 3 Falcons being in his face in 1.5 seconds.
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I think at the core of our disagreements, is that I do not consider things like "pointing out when he makes a mistake" or "citing his statistics and production" are "slander". You are more defensive of Fields than I've ever seen someone be about a particular athlete (especially one that has, to date, not actually had very much success).
Like you mocked me for the Trubisky stuff for years, and you're miles more dug in on Fields than I was on Trubisky.
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I think at the core of our disagreements, is that I do not consider things like "pointing out when he makes a mistake" or "citing his statistics and production" are "slander". You are more defensive of Fields than I've ever seen someone be about a particular athlete (especially one that has, to date, not actually had very much success).
Like you mocked me for the Trubisky stuff for years, and you're miles more dug in on Fields than I was on Trubisky.
Yeah, I don’t see it that way exactly.
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You also go out of your way to point out every mistake (or flaw) or “possible” mistake. Even attempting to lay most of the blame on him for 3 Falcons being in his face in 1.5 seconds.
Nope, I didn't do that.
I pointed out - as the former pro OT calling the game did - that there was a protection miscommunication when Fields shifted the scheme at the line. I did not know whether it was Fields or the OL that fucked up, nor did I accuse one of them or the other of fucking up. You are just EXTREMELY defensive of Fields.
I am far, far more complimentary of Fields when he plays well than you are critical when he plays poorly. It's not remotely close.
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Another example of your weird defensiveness of Fields:
At one point he made a bad throw, and you pointed it out calling it "terrible". I responded by saying yeah, but they've been rare enough.
Then a few plays later he made an unreal escape. I said "Another unreal escape from Fields".
Then you said something out and I said "that was the bad and the good of Fields back to back" - I didn't expect that to be a controversial statement whatsoever, after all you'd already called the throw "terrible" and I'd defended him; and I'd already lauded the unreal escape he'd made. But no, you went on full defense mode about how I "can't even acknowledge the great play he made without also pointing out the bad one," and just totally ignored that I HAD acknowledged the great play he made without pointing out the bad one.
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After a really good play you pointed out “we just saw the good and the bad,” perhaps after the errant throw to Scott? You couch almost every positive thing you say with a caveat.
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After a really good play you pointed out “we just saw the good and the bad,” perhaps after the errant throw to Scott? You couch almost every positive thing you say with a caveat.
You simply ignored that I had already lauded the amazing play he made without saying shit about the bad throw, other than to defend him when you called the throw 'terrible' because they'd been rare. And look, you're still ignoring it now.
Like straight up, the ONLY way to make a controversy out of my comment there is to be the most weirdly defensive dude ever. It was not remotely controversial - he made a bad throw, and then an amazing escape back to back. What's the controversy?
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This is me yesterday calling out Brian Baldinger for his reversal on Fields/Williams (I guess Baldy has seen the progress some here insist hasn’t happened?)?
I am trying to have honest discussion here.
(https://i.postimg.cc/W1W0S6TT/IMG-6196.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bZnGwnZB)
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And again, it's especially frustrating because when Fields is great, I come here and acknowledge that he was great.
But when he's mediocre or worse, you simply refuse to admit it no matter how obvious it was. You make a million excuses for why, how he wasn't ACTUALLY mediocre, it was everyone else's fault.
Again, I’m sure I could find multiple posts in which your “praise” is couched with some kind of caveat.
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This is me yesterday calling out Brian Baldinger for his reversal on Fields/Williams (I guess Baldy has seen the progress some here insist hasn’t happened?)?
I am trying to have honest discussion here.
(https://i.postimg.cc/W1W0S6TT/IMG-6196.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bZnGwnZB)
I mean, cool. Sounds like you say different shit on Twitter than you do here - that has nothing to do with me.
I know on this board, you are really really weirdly defensive of Fields. You don't allow any criticism of him without an excuse, ever. The harshest criticisms I've seen you give him are things like "he needs to work on his reads" or "he wasn't perfect". It's like PAMan and JudgeJudy rotted your brain, so you attack me with the same kind of bad faith nonsense they attack you with.
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Again, I’m sure I could find multiple posts in which your “praise” is couched with some kind of caveat.
Have literally stated that he was 'great' over and over and over and over, during the game, after the game, until now.
When Fields was mediocre as fuck a few weeks back (can't remember which game specifically, but one of the last 4-5 mediocre ones) what you said was "He wasn't perfect. He wasn't even HOF level." That's about the closest I've seen to you actually acknowledging his poor play.
Again, when he plays well I am far, far more complimentary of him than you are critical when he plays poorly. And frankly, that second thing has been the case more often since Week 5.
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He missed an open guy. Something that every quarterback does virtually every game. “Saw both the good and bad there,” in a game in which he was on point almost every throw despite the lack of ideal conditions. Just tiresome. I get that he has flaws.
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He missed an open guy. Something that every quarterback does virtually every game. “Saw both the good and bad there,” in a game in which he was on point almost every throw despite the lack of ideal conditions. Just tiresome. I get that he has flaws.
Yes, we saw the good and the bad back to back. A bad throw, a great run. Remember - I had already lauded the run (without qualification) and defended the throw as being rare (when you called it terrible).
Only controversial to someone so dug in on Fields he can't see the sky.
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Yeah, I don’t see it that way exactly.
Oh come on..the Spark- Trubisky - Manning stuff was a meme for you for some time.
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This is me yesterday calling out Brian Baldinger for his reversal on Fields/Williams (I guess Baldy has seen the progress some here insist hasn’t happened?)?
I am trying to have honest discussion here.
(https://i.postimg.cc/W1W0S6TT/IMG-6196.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bZnGwnZB)
I don't see "Baldy's" response.
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I don't see "Baldy's" response.
I doubt he gave one.
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I doubt he gave one.
Why didn't he respond?
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Why didn't he respond?
Why would you think I could answer that? How many famous people are going to respond to you? Not that many.
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Looks like a triggered Custard.
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Why would you think I could answer that? How many famous people are going to respond to you? Not that many.
Then why did you ask him a question?
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Looks like a triggered Custard.
Baldy does?
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You lost me with these last few posts.
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Then why did you ask him a question?
Do I need to explain to you how Twitter works?
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And actually, I didn’t even ask him a question. I mentioned how he shifted positions.
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Orlovsky isn’t the only one saying Fields is “seeing it” better. Heard someone else mention it today or yesterday. Can’t recall who who for sure. Maybe Chase Daniel or Anthony Herron. Herron mentioned how Justin was moving defenders with his eyes.
https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1742305749114691802?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Funny because it’s true.
(https://i.postimg.cc/JhV0DYZ2/IMG-6200.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Are the Bears actually still playing football?
Edit:
Looked it up and they play a regular season game on Jan 7 in Green Bay fucking Wisconsin? This is straight up masochism, man.
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Are the Bears actually still playing football?
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Looked it up and they play a regular season game on Jan 7 in Green Bay fucking Wisconsin? This is straight up masochism, man.
Lol the Bears are 5-2 in their last 7 and quite frankly should be 7-0.
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I enjoy O’Sullivan more because he goes into more detail, but here you go: Chase Daniel ALL22 breakdown. Lots of good stuff.
https://youtu.be/TUmsln4P2uQ?si=oeWpvqkkxhT5O1g0
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The Long brothers talking stupid. They clearly don’t read the HQ2.
https://x.com/melanatednupe/status/1742335587921658210?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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https://x.com/670thescore/status/1742265102709969258?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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This is it, this is the team I’m trading with if I’m the Bears (assuming they are top 3). Pretty sure two QBs are going first. Drafting 3rd almost assures you you are getting MHJ IMO. Get a nice return for the pick, land the best WR prospect in 5-10 years. Huge win for the Bears. And if you make this trade, I think you’re drafting in the top 3 again next year. Maybe even #1.
https://larrybrownsports.com/football/commanders-very-interested-in-caleb-williams/626206?amp
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Could almost certainly be talked into settling for Kayvon Thibodeaux and Malik Nabers, though.
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Do I need to explain to you how Twitter works?
Apparently you make goofy comments there, like here, and the people ignore you?
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This is it, this is the team I’m trading with if I’m the Bears (assuming they are top 3). Pretty sure two QBs are going first. Drafting 3rd almost assures you you are getting MHJ IMO. Get a nice return for the pick, land the best WR prospect in 5-10 years. Huge win for the Bears. And if you make this trade, I think you’re drafting in the top 3 again next year. Maybe even #1.
https://larrybrownsports.com/football/commanders-very-interested-in-caleb-williams/626206?amp
How many consecutive years do you want them drafting first without actually picking a player first? 3 to 5 years?
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How many consecutive years do you want them drafting first without actually picking a player first? 3 to 5 years?
Forever.
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TEMPO TEMPO TEMPO!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUmsln4P2uQ
Spark is so fast at responding at times I occasionally miss things when we’re going back and forth. I like it.
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Forever.
One way for Poles to try and keep his job.
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One way for Poles to try and keep his job.
There are like 4 people who think Poles is doing a poor job. You’re one of them. Congrats.
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Bears not sitting anyone for Packers game. Could mean nothing, but if they were intent on trading Fields the smart business move would be to sit him.
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Bears not sitting anyone for Packers game. Could mean nothing, but if they were intent on trading Fields the smart business move would be to sit him.
Serious question. Would you rather have Fields or Love at QB the next 5 years?
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Serious question. Would you rather have Fields or Love at QB the next 5 years?
Serious answer. Eat shit.
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There are like 4 people who think Poles is doing a poor job. You’re one of them. Congrats.
I've been known to be AOTC. And I am not afraid to be AOTC.
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Serious answer. Eat shit.
Love may be the right answer there depending upon his contract. Or not.
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Maybe.
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Serious answer. Eat shit.
I wanted to know 🤷🏻♂️
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I wanted to know 🤷🏻♂️
Honestly, I’m not sure. I’d like to see more on both. I’d like to see how Love does year 2. Id like to see how Justin does with more talent around him and more continuity. Just as Stroud has been great, I’m not ready to anoint him the next great thing. Just as I’d like to see Bryce Young with more experience and hopefully for him better support
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I think too many people evaluate quarterbacks as if they are all on equal footing, which they clearly are not. Pretty much anyone who’s played the position will tell you that situation matters greatly. I have zero doubt that many good quarterbacks were ruined by getting into a bad situation.
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I think too many people evaluate quarterbacks as if they are all on equal footing, which they clearly are not. Pretty much anyone who’s played the position will tell you that situation matters greatly. I have zero doubt that many good quarterbacks were ruined by getting into a bad situation.
I played quarterback. And my son played quarterback. The first thing you learn is that you have to lead, and you have to fix problems. When the play breaks down, or when something doesn't work the way it is supposed to, you have to fix it. Quickly.
Yes, situations matter. Obviously. But quarterbacks have to lead and fix problems. That's it. There are no excuses.
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Jobu = Scott Weaver is a match?
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Jobu = Scott Weaver is a match?
Haha, no. Same era, tho
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So JT O’Sullivan put out a free one this week on Justin Fields. He’s actually quite critical of Justin this week (more than usual) even though it’s one of his best games. So just goes to show that it’s not an hour plus of JT just sucking Justin’s dick.
He doesn’t see DJ as a true 1. Talks about how the offense needs to be upgraded on the perimeter and up the middle (no surprises there). He doesn’t bash the offense (Getsy and scheme) nearly as much as normal, partly because this was probably their best game scheme wise. Continues to talk a lot about Justin’s footwork (slow and sloppy, which to me says he’s not being coached well). He even suggests at the end that they need a new offensive coach (especially if they are running it back). I learn a lot from watching his videos. I think he’s really good at it.
https://youtu.be/rrfBujHrz4k?si=XvSSOprsLFOrRLzz
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I played quarterback. And my son played quarterback. The first thing you learn is that you have to lead, and you have to fix problems. When the play breaks down, or when something doesn't work the way it is supposed to, you have to fix it. Quickly.
Yes, situations matter. Obviously. But quarterbacks have to lead and fix problems. That's it. There are no excuses.
Lol
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So JT O’Sullivan put out a free one this week on Justin Fields. He’s actually quite critical of Justin this week (more than usual) even though it’s one of his best games. So just goes to show that it’s not an hour plus of JT just sucking Justin’s dick.
He doesn’t see DJ as a true 1. Talks about how the offense needs to be upgraded on the perimeter and up the middle (no surprises there). He doesn’t bash the offense (Getsy and scheme) nearly as much as normal, partly because this was probably their best game scheme wise. Continues to talk a lot about Justin’s footwork (slow and sloppy, which to me says he’s not being coached well). He even suggests at the end that they need a new offensive coach (especially if they are running it back). I learn a lot from watching his videos. I think he’s really good at it.
https://youtu.be/rrfBujHrz4k?si=XvSSOprsLFOrRLzz
C'mon, at this point in his career his footwork is on him. Told you he isn't coachable.
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Totally pulling shit out of your ass.
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Totally pulling shit out of your ass.
And you are not by blaming coaching? He whined about being coached, remember?
Remember when we waited to hear those stories about him working his ass off during the summer but all we got was that he was at a Bulls game? Maybe he should have been working on his footwork.
Weren't you touting how he went to Trent Dilfer's QB School and Dilfer said how he was the best student ever? Guess Dilfer graded footwork on a curve.
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Lol you are too funny.
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Dilfer said he was his 2nd favorite ever. Tua was his favorite.
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“How can Justin Fields be working his ass off if he’s going to Bulls games?” Would be good sig material.
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Justin’s attitude and work ethic haven’t been questioned by anyone since joining the Bears (at least that I’m aware of) besides you.
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Totally pulling shit out of your ass.
But you’re the one making baseless accusations…
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But you’re the one making accusations…
Judging by the lack of detail in the rest of the offense (I watch an hour and a half of detailed analysis every week), I’m gonna say it’s largely on the coaching.
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I guess everyone on the Bears’ offense is uncoachable..
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But you’re the one making baseless accusations…
How can Justin be working his ass off if he’s been seen at Bulls games?
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How can Justin be working his ass off if he’s been seen at Bulls games?
I’m not saying whose fault it is one way or the other. Just that you saying that to PMan is weird since you were the one that first made the assumption it was coaching. We don’t know. This should go in the Spark thread in the Duece. How dare you throw out speculation and accusations without knowing all the facts. Tisk tisk.
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If Justin’s work ethic and attitude were in question, it’s highly unlikely he’d be a lockerroom favorite.
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I’m not saying whose fault it is one way or the other. Just that you saying that to PMan is weird since you were the one that first made the assumption it was coaching. We don’t know. This should go in the Spark thread in the Duece. How dare you throw out speculation and accusations without knowing all the facts. Tisk tisk.
Judging by the fact that it never gets cleaned up, and judging by the details of the offense (which aren’t there), it’s not a giant leap to conclude it could be coaching.
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Judging by the fact that it never gets cleaned up, and judging by the details of the offense (which aren’t there), it’s not a giant leap to conclude it could be coaching.
It’s his footwork though. Wouldn’t it be on him to get it cleaned up? Getsy can’t practice it for him…
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It’s his footwork though. Wouldn’t it be on him to get it cleaned up? Getsy can’t practice it for him…
Why have a quarterbacks coach then?
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My guess is the Bears went on the cheap for coaches, and got what they paid for again
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Pro bowl selections announced, still no offensive starters on the Bears, who have made a pro bowl. Jaylon and Montez both made it
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O’Sullivan says game after game that his footwork is too slow at least to him and yet it never gets cleaned up, one would think, coaching, could, and would improve that. O’Sullivan also said that just could be the way he’s being taught.
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He also says he finds it curious because Justin is not a slow player
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If Justin’s work ethic and attitude were in question, it’s highly unlikely he’d be a lockerroom favorite.
Country club lockeroom?
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My guess is the Bears went on the cheap for coaches, and got what they paid for again
No speculation at all, none. But this one may have merit given the coaching staff.
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He also says he finds it curious because Justin is not a slow player
Sounds like Fields should get his money back from Dilfer as it cannot be Fields' fault.
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Country club lockeroom?
Again, making shit up based on nothing that resembles fact.
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Sounds like Fields should get his money back from Dilfer as it cannot be Fields' fault.
🧌
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So JT O’Sullivan put out a free one this week on Justin Fields. He’s actually quite critical of Justin this week (more than usual) even though it’s one of his best games. So just goes to show that it’s not an hour plus of JT just sucking Justin’s dick.
He doesn’t see DJ as a true 1. Talks about how the offense needs to be upgraded on the perimeter and up the middle (no surprises there). He doesn’t bash the offense (Getsy and scheme) nearly as much as normal, partly because this was probably their best game scheme wise. Continues to talk a lot about Justin’s footwork (slow and sloppy, which to me says he’s not being coached well). He even suggests at the end that they need a new offensive coach (especially if they are running it back). I learn a lot from watching his videos. I think he’s really good at it.
https://youtu.be/rrfBujHrz4k?si=XvSSOprsLFOrRLzz
Reposted mostly for Spark, in case he wants to watch what I’ve been watching all year. Just one of the sources I’ve used BTW.
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Again, making shit up based on nothing that resembles fact.
The 0-4 disorganized start of the season is Exhibit A. Case closed.
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The 0-4 disorganized start of the season is Exhibit A. Case closed.
Reporters said they had so many injuries they literally had a tough time holding practices. You want Flus to go full junction boys with a team that’s already struggling to hold meaningful practices?
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“Case closed.” Lol
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I like the first three on this list. If we pick another first time guy, I’d want it to be from Shanahan’s or McVay’s staff. I also like the idea of Darrell Bevell.
If Getsy could run the offense the way it was run/called last week I’d be ok keeping him. Might be too little too late. He’s shown no ability to maximize what anyone does well minus maybe DJ. And that’s probably just DJ being DJ.
I do think there’s a small chance Getsy keeps his job, though. Especially if someone like Reich is brought in to help oversee things. If Reich is here he’s probably just the guy though.
My odds on Flus, Fields, Getsy staying:
Flus 90%
Fields 65%
Getsy 25%
https://beargoggleson.com/posts/chicago-bears-offensive-coordinators-matt-eberflus-hire-2024-01hk7rhq42qs/2
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Reporters said they had so many injuries they literally had a tough time holding practices. You want Flus to go full junction boys with a team that’s already struggling to hold meaningful practices?
Remember when the reporters reported that contemporaneously? Me neither.
Just feeding narratives to save his ass and you are buying it. Sad.
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Remember when the reporters reported that contemporaneously? Me neither.
Just feeding narratives to save his ass and you are buying it. Sad.
Actually, yes, I do remember injuries being a major theme of training camp.
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https://apnews.com/article/chicago-bears-defense-injuries-7abccb702374a9b550065089b3cf1505
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And Darnell Mooney missed all off season workouts.
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/two-more-bears-starters-injured-at-training-camp-practice/500343/?amp=1
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https://apnews.com/article/chicago-bears-defense-injuries-7abccb702374a9b550065089b3cf1505
LOL. Do you even read the stuff you link to? Eberlose said they were healthy and good to go except maybe Jenkins.
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And Darnell Mooney was still recovering from his ankle injury the season prior during training camp.
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/two-more-bears-starters-injured-at-training-camp-practice/500343/?amp=1
Funny you aren't quoting your links to these articles at the time....because you were not posting them and were pissed how bad they looked during the GB opener. What a crock of BS.
I CAN believe you are falling for this crap.
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Do you?
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Funny you aren't quoting your links to these articles at the time....because you were not posting them and were pissed how bad they looked during the GB opener. What a crock of BS.
I CAN believe you are falling for this crap.
As I’ve said 30x. I probably underestimated both the practice time missed due to injury, and the difficulty of getting 30+ new players on the same page in one injury riddled training camp.
#NoExcusesTour!
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“Finished the preseason with only 2 starting players (on the offensive line)” sounds kind of bad in hindsight…
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GB game thread speaks volumes. This is another load of excuses from you. SMDH.
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GB game thread speaks volumes. This is another load of excuses from you. SMDH.
#NOEXCUSES!
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2024/01/03/it-doesnt-sound-like-bears-veterans-want-to-start-over-with-rookie-qb/
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Amazing how a lot of former players are seeing things HQ2 does not.
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I don't trust him at all, period. He hired Eberlose, after all. I think they both should be gone
Obviously not “official,” but the idea the Bears would be anywhere near anyone’s top 10 two months ago would have seemed absurd.
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3 spots below Mahomes, 2 below Love. 1 above Hurts.
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I partially think the Bears have coached the confidence out of Fields. We never see routes like this anymore.
https://x.com/justinfieldsfc/status/1743042506168901839?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Obviously not “official,” but the idea the Bears would be anywhere near anyone’s top 10 two months ago would have seemed absurd.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3wbS7fJY/IMG-6220.png) (https://postimg.cc/f3mjfK9r)
LOL. The AFC has 5 QB starters from the opening week still able to play?
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Actually, yes, I do remember injuries being a major theme of training camp.
No. You. Didn't.
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No. You. Didn't.
Case closed.
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Case closed.
Yep. Game. Set. Match.
That's my newer one.
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Looks to be the final nail in the coffin…
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Yep. Game. Set. Match.
That's my newer one.
Game. Set. Match.
Case closed.
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Looks to be the final nail in the coffin…
Wut.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/justin-fields-film-breakdown-shows-003210673.html
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Interesting.
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Again, no shortage of former players who believe you build around Fields. Alex Smith on JF.
https://x.com/clayharbs82/status/1743346325108699538?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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(https://i.postimg.cc/QMvG4H6r/IMG-6228.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f37rkTnH)
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Nice to see everyone is open to an alternate opinion…
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https://x.com/the33rdteamfb/status/1743435725306319039?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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https://www.dailyherald.com/20240104/chicago-bears/bears-film-study-verdict-on-fields-becoming-obvious/
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Just heard on the radio that no college quarterback in the last five years has held the ball longer than Caleb Williams, according to PFF
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https://www.dailyherald.com/20240104/chicago-bears/bears-film-study-verdict-on-fields-becoming-obvious/
Contract makes it a no brainer. But we know Poles is not smart.
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Just heard on the radio that no college quarterback in the last five years has held the ball longer than Caleb Williams, according to PFF
What was his sack rate?
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What was his sack rate?
Lol nice one.
Rest assured it will likely be worse in the NFL. Not sure of the rate, but definitely takes sacks. Took 7 in the final game of the year against Utah in 2022.
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Pretty telling. Get the young man some weapons.
https://x.com/minakimes/status/1743417538506268747?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Double/triple trade down is intriguing.
https://x.com/minakimes/status/1743322853246894181?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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If the Bears managed to pull off a triple trade down and came out of the 1st round with Nabers, Odunze, and Johnny Newton. Oh, man. Sign me up.
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I keep hearing “I wouldn’t want to be in Ryan Poles’ situation.” I think he’s in the catbird seat. He can either draft the #1 player (QB) in the draft for his ascending team, or continue to stockpile talent. Kind of a win/win.
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Ryan Poles made some comments that make it sound like the Bears are very willing to take calls on the #1 pick.
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And don’t forget Luke Getsy, bottom 3 OC (per PFF).
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Interesting stat…
https://x.com/tweetuschrist83/status/1744155244873896405?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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And don’t forget Luke Getsy, bottom 3 OC (per PFF).
(https://i.postimg.cc/wv91fFmy/IMG-6247.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FfnF1yGN)
Where do they rank Fields?
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Where do they rank Fields?
I really thought this was PAMan before I saw the username.
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DJ basically says play-calling sucks.
https://x.com/ecnerwal23/status/1744208001144160273?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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But the OL 🙄
https://x.com/robertkschmitz/status/1744234227443339748?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
And looks like Caleb Williams will do just fine with that…
https://x.com/kct2020/status/1744238698432954382?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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But the OL 🙄
https://x.com/robertkschmitz/status/1744234227443339748?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
And looks like Caleb Williams will do just fine with that…
https://x.com/kct2020/status/1744238698432954382?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Interesting, but I’m not sure in a one game sample size that tells the whole story. What if 5 drop backs were abnormally long and 5 were abnormally short? I’m not an elite level tape watcher by any stretch, but it’s pretty obvious the OLine (and DLine) got pushed around, especially up the middle. We were playing a backup to the worst Center in the league, a guard who should have retired last year, and Tevin Jenkins arguably had his worst game as a Bear. Don’t have to be an expert to tell they weren’t good.
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But the OL 🙄
https://x.com/robertkschmitz/status/1744234227443339748?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
And looks like Caleb Williams will do just fine with that…
https://x.com/kct2020/status/1744238698432954382?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Very intelligent response to the above “stat.” Also notable that I saw several comments from knowledgeable football people about the lack of “quick routes” in Getsy’s offense.
(https://i.postimg.cc/LXF6Kpq4/IMG-6251.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Seems pretty fair to me. And Herbert’s 2.3 YPC won’t win you many ballgames.
Look at this post on Facebook https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/bears-studs-and-duds-week-18-loss-luke-getsy-eddie-jackson-matt-eberflus/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2G5vHHCy0s7OX1HOW8uMfiKIKCHzDQ5A5PBW_oY_5gNcC0ExK2OGD4yUo_aem_AbyUezA-woeM0lbYduIsYYGYDitLCMFDgi2PWb7nIV_Tg8VMl_yNGz34jZkgBGq0J3E#lr4uao8ogwy6vi5jybj
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I get the arguments for moving on from Flus and Fields, I’m just not convinced you’re automatically better for doing so. I still think you’re better off continuing to build the roster; a roster whose flaws were on full display yesterday (OMG and starting with the quarteback!).
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Need:
Offensive coordinator (this is one thing Bearsdom is almost completely unanimous on)
Center
Another starting caliber Guard
WRx2 (IMO)
RB (although there are bigger needs)
Edge rusher (Danielle Hunter or Kayvon Thibodeaux would be nice)
3Tech
Free Safety (I like the idea of Smith moving there)
And maybe QB. Not at all
Opposed to drafting Penix or one of those guys.
Say the Bears traded for McLaurin and picks, traded down again got Odunze and Penix, id not only be ok with that, I’d venture to guess I’d be pretty fired up about it.
I don’t mind spending a high pick on a QB and keeping Fields because “getting it right” is more important than whatever trade value Fields or Penix would have.
I’m not convinced Williams works out, and I don’t think he’d even want to come here TBH. Could be wrong.
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I really thought this was PAMan before I saw the username.
I was honestly curious but this answers my question just as well - probably not super good or you wouldn’t have dodged the question.
Interesting how those other guys’ PFF grades were relevant but asking what Fields’ grade was is trolling somehow.
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It was sad to watch Fields say his goodbyes yesterday in the postgame. I really do like the guy.
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I get the arguments for moving on from Flus and Fields, I’m just not convinced you’re automatically better for doing so. I still think you’re better off continuing to build the roster; a roster whose flaws were on full display yesterday (OMG and starting with the quarteback!).
You could say that about anyone if your goal is maintaining the status quo of suckitude, which the FFFs are.
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Very intelligent response to the above “stat.” Also notable that I saw several comments from knowledgeable football people about the lack of “quick routes” in Getsy’s offense.
(https://i.postimg.cc/LXF6Kpq4/IMG-6251.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Can't say I've ever heard of knowledgable football expert Maher Abu Arja before. But that person does have a Blue Checkmark!
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I was honestly curious but this answers my question just as well - probably not super good or you wouldn’t have dodged the question.
Interesting how those other guys’ PFF grades were relevant but asking what Fields’ grade was is trolling somehow.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-17-analytical-quarterback-rankings-lamar-jackson-takes-over-at-no-1
Going into yesterday, they had him at 17. Behind Mason Rudolph and Browning, but somehow ahead of Flacco.
Yeah, let's extend this guy because the Bear MIGHT pick someone shittier.
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It was sad to watch Fields say his goodbyes yesterday in the postgame. I really do like the guy.
His last pass as a Bear was a pass in the flat that was way too high. Fitting.
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I was honestly curious but this answers my question just as well - probably not super good or you wouldn’t have dodged the question.
Interesting how those other guys’ PFF grades were relevant but asking what Fields’ grade was is trolling somehow.
I don’t know what his was. It wasn’t in the tweet that I shared. But as JT has often said “you can’t play quarterback like this.” If just about everything around Justin being garbage is “making excuses,” well then I guess I’m making excuses. I’ve never once tried to say Justin was perfect. Despite what you say.
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I don’t know what his was. It wasn’t in the tweet that I shared. But as JT has often said “you can’t play quarterback like this.” If just about everything around Justin being garbage is “making excuses,” well then I guess I’m making excuses. I’ve never once tried to say Justin was perfect. Despite what you say.
Yes, you are making excuses.
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All Getsy's fault that Fields almost threw a pick instead of a TD pass yesterday
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I don’t know what his was. It wasn’t in the tweet that I shared. But as JT has often said “you can’t play quarterback like this.” If just about everything around Justin being garbage is “making excuses,” well then I guess I’m making excuses. I’ve never once tried to say Justin was perfect. Despite what you say.
Nor have you ever accepted any criticism of him from someone else on this board, or even compliments to his teammates that you could stretchily infer were criticisms of him. You're more defensive of him than I've ever seen someone be about a person they didn't know. Last week I said "Really good throw, great catch" and you interpreted that as a criticism of Justin Fields.
If having bad WRs can affect a QB's PFF grade then the opposite is true too, but I'm pretty sure the whole point of PFF grades is to evaluate how each person played individually, which is why I asked about Fields'. That grade is supposed to count things like drops etc. as positives for a QB if it was a good throw.
You've been making excuses all year. The list is extremely long.
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I really hope that if the Bears move on from Fields you are just as positive and defensive about the next guy, but my guess is you won't be.
Similarly if they keep Fields, I sincerely hope not to hear so many excuses in year 4 - but again, my guess is I will.
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Can't say I've ever heard of knowledgable football expert Maher Abu Arja before. But that person does have a Blue Checkmark!
“Never heard of him!” Would it matter if you had? He’s got a football and a microphone in his hand though, so must be legit!
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“Never heard of him!” Would it matter if you had? He’s got a football and a microphone in his hand though, so must be legit!
I hope he is not replaced on the list of knowledgeable expert football voices since his replacement might be worse.
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https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-17-analytical-quarterback-rankings-lamar-jackson-takes-over-at-no-1
Going into yesterday, they had him at 17. Behind Mason Rudolph and Browning, but somehow ahead of Flacco.
Yeah, let's extend this guy because the Bear MIGHT pick someone shittier.
17th, so better than every other position group. And don’t forget Getsy who was ranked 30th. Just ahead of Nathaniel Hackett (coincidence?).
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Pretty interesting also that DJ, about as soft-spoken a receiver as you will ever see basically said play-calling sucked yesterday. Good for him.
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Oops, my bad he (Getsy) was behind Hackett. I misremembered.
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Pretty interesting also that DJ, about as soft-spoken a receiver as you will ever see basically said play-calling sucked yesterday. Good for him.
Doesn't he know that if they move on Getsy's replacement might actually be worse?
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17th, so better than every other position group. And don’t forget Getsy who was ranked 30th. Just ahead of Nathaniel Hackett (coincidence?).
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Quite the indictment of Poles' offseason....
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Doesn't he know that if they move on Getsy's replacement might actually be worse?
Good troll attempt.
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All Getsy's fault that Fields almost threw a pick instead of a TD pass yesterday
Speaking of almosts, it sure looked like that pass to the pylon hit whatever Bear scrub (Taylor?) right in the midsection (believe Justin was scrambling on the throw as well). Tight coverage, but again, Bears receivers not named DJ Moore aren’t allowed to make contested catches.
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https://x.com/therealjhair/status/1744362964889600364?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Good troll attempt.
Just applying the FFS logic to all things in life. No need to ever try and improve since you might fail.
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This contradicts the “all day in the pocket” narrative.
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Just applying the FFS logic to all things in life. No need to ever try and improve since you might fail.
That’s never been a major theme in my arguments.
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This contradicts the “all day in the pocket” narrative.
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If Brad Spielberger, Esq. said it, it must be true.
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If Brad Spielberger, Esq. said it, it must be true.
The old go to move (used literally every time). Discredit the source.
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The old go to move (used literally every time). Discredit the source.
How do we know what his measurements are for "pressures"? Who is this guy? The efforts you go to defend such a shit QB are laughable.
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That’s never been a major theme in my arguments.
Yes, it has been.
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Yes, it has been.
No, it hasn’t. My stance all along has been continue to build the 53 man roster and then find the quarterback if need be. I am also totally on board with using a top 10 pick to draft someone (a QB). I would keep fields as well. I don’t necessarily feel the need to draft someone at one because I think that capital is better. Spent getting multiple high pics. And then, yes, the bust rate on top picks is pretty high.
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If yesterday proved anything, it’s that the Bears aren’t a QB away.
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If yesterday proved anything, it’s that the Bears aren’t a QB away.
It proved they need to fire the OC and HC and take the rare opportunity to start a new regime with the top QB in the draft.
It’s insane how hard you ride for this dude. He is mediocre. That’s what he’s been his entire career.
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I’ll also say that a good QB would’ve won the game yesterday. 17 points isn’t insurmountable. If we had a QB who could put the ball in the end zone, we would’ve won.
Doesn’t mean I “blame” Fields, better play calling could’ve won it too even with a mediocre QB. But I doubt a really good quarterback would’ve lost.
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It proved they need to fire the OC and HC and take the rare opportunity to start a new regime with the top QB in the draft.
It’s insane how hard you ride for this dude. He is mediocre. That’s what he’s been his entire career.
Well, that is ONE logical approach. Again ONE logical approach.
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Well, that is ONE logical approach. Again ONE logical approach.
It’s the one logical approach that is based in the actual production and results and not some hope that if you build an absolutely perfect roster you can figure out the most important part at the end.
We saw yesterday that good QB play + no name mediocre receivers can torch you in the NFL. And even though the Bears pass catchers are better, they couldn’t move the ball through the air.
Get an actually good QB on this team with DJ and another top-10 WR and a new OC, and we can cook with gas instead of hoping smashing rocks together starts a fire.
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Green Bay’s receivers are not mediocre
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They are a talented young group, that is clearly well coached. And of course, getting some nice quarterback play.
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Green Bay’s receivers are not mediocre
Well at their best they’re certainly worse than DJ Moore, and the decent ones didn’t play.
His top receivers yesterday were Jayden Reed (a 2nd round rookie), Dontayvion Wicks (a 5th round rookie) and Bo Melton (a 7th rounder who spent last year on the Seattle practice squad).
Sell that as a murderer’s row if you’d like but I doubt anyone would trade the Bears’ WR corps for those three.
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I would argue just about their entire group is playing at a level above Darnell Mooney, you call me crazy, let’s see if the Bears re-sign Mooney, which doesn’t look likely because apparently they believe it too.
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They have a competent passer throwing them the ball. That tends to help a WR.
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Would you trade Justin Fields for Jordan Love?
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They have a competent passer throwing them the ball. That tends to help a WR.
We don’t have anyone other than DJ who can catch a contested ball. And we don’t have WRs making moves like this. Wicks also left Terrell Smith in his wake on that first touchdown. This dude is like their #4 or 5 receiver.
https://x.com/jacobmorley/status/1744204783479664743?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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https://x.com/rossuglem/status/1744435551766225080?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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https://x.com/rossuglem/status/1744448943751115228?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Would you trade Justin Fields for Jordan Love?
I’ve already asked this…
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Man, we just can’t compete with the Packers’ elite pass catchers (with probably their top two guys on the bench). Definitely couldn’t be QB play.
Can’t make it up man, just really insane defensive shit.
As the old adage goes, if you’ve got elite receivers it doesn’t matter who is at QB. Credible football minds all agree on that.
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Who besides DJ is making this catch?
https://x.com/peter_bukowski/status/1744462507945718068?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Man, we just can’t compete with the Packers’ elite pass catchers (with probably their top two guys on the bench). Definitely couldn’t be QB play.
Can’t make it up man, just really insane defensive shit.
As the old adage goes, if you’ve got elite receivers it doesn’t matter who is at QB. Credible football minds all agree on that.
I clearly said the quarterback play was good. The WR play is also very good.
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And the coaching is very good.
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Would you trade Justin Fields for Jordan Love?
Perhaps. I also strongly question if Jordan Love is playing at this level if he’s had the same path as JF.
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It’s the one logical approach that is based in the actual production and results and not some hope that if you build an absolutely perfect roster you can figure out the most important part at the end.
We saw yesterday that good QB play + no name mediocre receivers can torch you in the NFL. And even though the Bears pass catchers are better, they couldn’t move the ball through the air.
Did you just say the Bears receivers are better? I’ll give you DJ. But after that…
Also, building the roster first is exactly how SF, KC, Philly, and largely Baltimore have done it.
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Well at their best they’re certainly worse than DJ Moore, and the decent ones didn’t play.
His top receivers yesterday were Jayden Reed (a 2nd round rookie), Dontayvion Wicks (a 5th round rookie) and Bo Melton (a 7th rounder who spent last year on the Seattle practice squad).
Sell that as a murderer’s row if you’d like but I doubt anyone would trade the Bears’ WR corps for those three.
And 2nd and 3rd round TEs. And Aaron Jones. And better coaching and play-calling.
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Pretty sure I’d take Doubs over Mooney. And he didn’t even record a catch.
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Unlike Bob Tonyan (who GB let go) and Tyler Scott, I’m pretty sure GBs receivers catch two perfectly thrown deep balls that would have had the Bears playing for the division title yesterday with a Lions loss.
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No, it hasn’t. My stance all along has been continue to build the 53 man roster and then find the quarterback if need be. I am also totally on board with using a top 10 pick to draft someone (a QB). I would keep fields as well. I don’t necessarily feel the need to draft someone at one because I think that capital is better. Spent getting multiple high pics. And then, yes, the bust rate on top picks is pretty high.
You have argued that none of the guys are guaranteed to be as good as Fields. Which is as dumb a thing as has ever been uttered. But the FFS are morons.
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Of course, there are no guarantees. But I’ve said all along, I continue to trade down in the draft and take advantage of the gift that keeps on giving to build up the roster. I think Fields is plenty good enough to win with a stronger roster around him. If we had Jalen Hurts, I’d guess there’d be just as strong of a movement to get rid of him had he had the same path as Justin.
Spark likes to make fun of the “no pro bowls” meme, but it’s factual. Count the number of pro bowl appearances on any good offense and it’s probably 10-20 more than the Bears, which still stands at 0.
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The guy some people have called our “best offensive lineman,” showed that yesterday maybe he isn’t good enough, though I choose to believe he “just had a bad day.” Much like Brock Purdy at Cleveland.
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Of course, there are no guarantees. But I’ve said all along, I continue to trade down in the draft and take advantage of the gift that keeps on giving to build up the roster. I think Fields is plenty good enough to win with a stronger roster around him. If we had Jalen Hurts, I’d guess there’d be just as strong of a movement to get rid of him had he had the same path as Justin.
Spark likes to make fun of the “no pro bowls” meme, but it’s factual. Count the number of pro bowl appearances on any good offense and it’s probably 10-20 more than the Bears, which still stands at 0.
You are betting on, and guaranteeing, there being QBs in later years better than the ones in this year's draft.
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The guy some people have called our “best offensive lineman,” showed that yesterday maybe he isn’t good enough, though I choose to believe he “just had a bad day.” Much like Brock Purdy at Cleveland.
Except I said that about you, who was being especially battered for bad takes that day, and not Purdy.
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Except I said that about you, who was being especially battered for bad takes that day, and not Purdy.
You clearly weren’t. I have the text receipts to prove it.
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You are betting on, and guaranteeing, there being QBs in later years better than the ones in this year's draft.
I’m not convinced there are any can’t miss quarterbacks in this draft. IMO the safest pick might be Penix, and I said I’d be fairly fired up about it if the Bears drafted him.
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Trevor Lawrence was about as “can’t miss” as anyone since Luck. If Jacksonville had the 1st pick, they’d absolutely be having the same conversation (not that he hasn’t been better than Justin, he has), but he hasn’t looked “generational,” and I wouldn’t call him a top 5-8 quarterback.
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You clearly weren’t. I have the text receipts to prove it.
Yes, I was. I have the text receipts to prove it as well.
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I’m not convinced there are any can’t miss quarterbacks in this draft. IMO the safest pick might be Penix, and I said I’d be fairly fired up about it if the Bears drafted him.
Penix is what, 24, and had 2 ACLs?
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Trevor Lawrence was about as “can’t miss” as anyone since Luck. If Jacksonville had the 1st pick, they’d absolutely be having the same conversation (not that he hasn’t been better than Justin, he has), but he hasn’t looked “generational,” and I wouldn’t call him a top 5-8 quarterback.
I do not know about him being "can't miss," but he is not looking "generational" at this point. He had a wasted year with Urban Meyer!
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Yes, I was. I have the text receipts to prove it as well.
https://ibb.co/NsNLgHR
https://ibb.co/BZ2LQBD
Sorry, can't figure out how to make these show up here....
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Penix is what, 24, and had 2 ACLs?
As long as he passes the physicals, IDK. Ok, so if he’s the franchise he’s the franchise for 8 years instead of 12. Who cares?
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Here’s the fuller conversation with more context.
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You are almost certainly not talking about me. As I would guess you’d say every day is a bad day for me here. You were pretty clearly talking about Purdy.
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As long as he passes the physicals, IDK. Ok, so if he’s the franchise he’s the franchise for 8 years instead of 12. Who cares?
True
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You are almost certainly not talking about me. As I would guess you’d say every day is a bad day for me here. You were pretty clearly talking about Purdy.
Yes, I was as you were flailing and had been completely lambasted here that day.
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That was the day even Miles lit you up, if I recall correctly
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Yes, I was as you were flailing and had been completely lambasted here that day.
How would that differ from any other day over the last two years in your opinion?
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How would that differ from any other day over the last two years in your opinion?
Like I posted, that was the day even Miles lit into you. You were that egregious that day.
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Still 95% sure you were talking about Purdy.
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But the OL 🙄
https://x.com/robertkschmitz/status/1744234227443339748?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
And looks like Caleb Williams will do just fine with that…
https://x.com/kct2020/status/1744238698432954382?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
So I was looking this up (TTT) and it seems escapability could factor into this? If so, that dramatically alters the stat.
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NM
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Kinda crazy that 3 years ago a lot Michigan fandom was about over Harbaugh. Sometimes patience pays off.
Don’t even think about it 😂
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Not sure I how I got into this thread. My last few posts were in the national title game thread.
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Don’t even think about it 😂
Great save, Judge Judy...Kool-Aid34 came out tonight!
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That was actually not a JF take, but I like it. Just occurred to me now what JJ was getting at.
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That was actually not a JF take, but I like it. Just occurred to me now what JJ was getting at.
Yeah trying to spin Harbaugh and Michigan winning a natty into a fucking keep Justin Fields conversation lol. Hell no.
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Yeah trying to spin Harbaugh and Michigan winning a natty into a fucking keep Justin Fields conversation lol. Hell no.
I appreciate the suggestion, though
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Jordan Love is carrying a bunch of bums! *BTW Jordan Live has been excellent*
(https://i.postimg.cc/HnTpTxCH/IMG-6262.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tZm059Tm)
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Would take. Halfway thought they would trade for him last year.
https://heavy.com/sports/chicago-bears/mike-evans-signing-buccaneers-dj-moore/
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Penis Jr. looked like a poor man's Justin Fields last night.
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Penis Jr. looked like a poor man's Justin Fields last night.
He looked like Jalen Hurts? I keed, I keed.
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Jordan Love is carrying a bunch of bums! *BTW Jordan Live has been excellent*
(https://i.postimg.cc/HnTpTxCH/IMG-6262.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tZm059Tm)
Again, a good QB will do that to receivers. Look at Addison’s QB on the flip side and you’ll see that too…
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Love has played well, Ive acknowledged that. I even acknowledged that in that post. Addison had Cousins for part of the season. Love was also not good for part of the season.
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Love has played well, Ive acknowledged that. I even acknowledged that in that post. Addison had Cousins for part of the season. Love was also not good for part of the season.
So then what was the comparison for or point you were trying to make then?
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So then what was the comparison for or point you were trying to make then?
Apparently that decent quarterbacks can be decent without great WRs. Just ask Lamar Jackson.
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So then what was the comparison for or point you were trying to make then?
Refuting Spark’s apparent position that GBs receivers aren’t good. It’s wrong. They are good. And will be a concern for the Bears the next few years.
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Refuting Spark’s apparent position that GBs receivers aren’t good. It’s wrong. They are good. And will be a concern for the Bears the next few years.
Because they are young! Who knew young teams could actually make the playoffs?! I heard somewhere young players needed 3 to 5 years to gell.
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Apparently that decent quarterbacks can be decent without great WRs. Just ask Lamar Jackson.
He’s had a top 2 receiving TE his entire career, Hollywood Brown, Zay Flowers, Odell Beckham (not prime but still very competent), and Rashod Bateman. All 1st rounders. Not a top 5 receiving unit, but certainly way better than what the Bears have had. Nelson Agholor would probably be the Bears’ #2 receiver.
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Lamar has had two-three good season throwing the ball. The rest of his seasons look like Justin’s. If Lamar weren’t a great runner, he wouldn’t be viewed as an elite quarterback.
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Because they are young! Who knew young teams could actually make the playoffs?! I heard somewhere young players needed 3 to 5 years to gell.
Good drafting and coaching helps. They’ve clearly drafted better at WR. We don’t have a good receiver we’ve drafted. Unless you count Darnell Mooney. And I never said 3-5 years. You made that up. Wonder why?
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If Bob Tonyan and Tyler Scott catch deep balls we’d probably be in the playoffs. Despite injuries derailing the team early.
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And make sure you read the first tweet after this one just so you realize I’m not say I want Bagent…
https://x.com/jeremylayt0n/status/1744747797243478366?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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WR playing with good QB has better per-snap stats than WR playing most of the year with backups. Who'd have thought that WRs need a good QB to be productive? I've been told that the opposite is true - that if we get a bunch of great WRs they will produce and we can get a QB later.
Really got me Tempo, what a foolproof argument.
As I said at the time, sell the rookies that smoked the Bears this week as a murderer's row if you want. You're obviously willing to make any number of absurd arguments to defend Justin Fields. They're mostly just 'guys' though.
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Refuting Spark’s apparent position that GBs receivers aren’t good. It’s wrong. They are good. And will be a concern for the Bears the next few years.
They were missing their top-2 guys after the first series and played three rookies.
Unreal the arguments you end up having to make so as to not acknowledge anything negative about Fields. It's certainly an unenviable position to have to keep stretching this far - to sell the 5th round rookie and the 7th round guy who spent last year on a practice squad as some great receiving core that makes their QB look better is unbelievable.
The QB being good makes those guys look better, not vice versa. No football analyst has ever said "if you get great WRs it doesn't matter who's throwing to them".
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The rest of his seasons look like Justin’s.
Really?
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Oh more Jordan Love vs. Justin Fields debate…
https://x.com/n0t_pop/status/1744768667382907038?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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JFC
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Oh more Jordan Love vs. Justin Fields debate…
https://x.com/n0t_pop/status/1744768667382907038?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
They Aaron Fucking Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers was the quarterbacks coach. How successful have Hackett and Getsy been away from the cockles of LaFleur and Rodgers? I’ll hang up and listen to your answers.
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No one here has been saying Jordan Love isn’t playing at a high level. Just that his receivers are actually good. And well coached.
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Yes, the three rookies he was throwing to - a 2nd rounder, a 5th rounder, a 7th rounder - are actually good, it helps a QB out and makes him look better.
And the guys Fields is throwing to - DJ Moore, Kmet, former 1000 yard receiver Darnell Mooney - are so shitty that it's unreasonable to expect him to be a decent passer.
We get it.
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I never said DJ and Kmet are shitty. Stop LYING!
Darnell Mooney has not been good since pre-injury. Make of that what you will. He’s a rosterable player, just not a difference maker. And he’s probably poorly coached. And Getsy loves to have him block more than he should for some reason.
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Over and over again you do the things you accuse me of doing. It’s hilarious.
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Over and over again you do the things you accuse me of doing. It’s hilarious.
Yeah, I exaggerate your shit every once in a while. Not 15-20 times every time we talk though, it's not really a competition in terms of who just makes some shit up and argues against it more often.
You've used Fields' weak pass catching corps as an excuse for his play ALL YEAR LONG.
Everyone here has seen it.
https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/darnell-mooney/
Mooney has not been even close to as bad as you've been acting like he was this year. #97th in the league in catchable target rate (53.3%) (what percentage of his targets were catchable) and #6 in the league in true catch rate (96.9%) (percentage of catchable targets he actually caught)
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FWIW he was between those numbers - #68 - in target separation (average separation when the pass arrives), and #23 in average cushion (average cushion per route run)
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https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/justin-fields/
Fields' numbers in the advanced stats are interesting too.
Actually pretty good under pressure (#6 in pressured completion%) but terrible in clean pocket completion percentage (#37). He actually is a few percentage points more likely to complete a pass under pressure.
Terrible in the red zone (#30 red zone accuracy rating) but good on deep balls (#6 in deep ball accuracy). #49 (!!!) in catchable pass rate.
Decent passer ratings against man (92.2, #14) and terrible against zone (73.8, #36).
Great rushing the ball, which I think we all already knew.
There are also a lot of stats on there that I don't really understand.
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If the Bears thought he (Mooney) was any good he’d be back next year. That looks very unlikely.
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I can’t think of a single expert or analyst. I’ve listened to in the last 2 to 3 months, who didn’t think that the Bears needed significant upgrades at receiver.
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I think a lot of it is the scheme and playcalling
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But everyone has a hand in it Justin included
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I’ve said dozens of times here that Justin needs to help his own cause by playing better.
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I’ve said dozens of times here that Justin needs to help his own cause by playing better.
Is it possible that what he has been is just what he is?
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It’s possible.
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Yes. It’s possible he just is what he is. And while I know that by now we want to see more than “flashes,” I don’t feel the coaching and talent around him have been anything near good enough. Scoff if you want to, but things like Pro Bowlers matters. Olin Kreutz talks about having multiple “top 5” players at their positions. We might finally have ONE in Jalon Johnson.
Look at the amount of Pro Bowls and continuity on the Eagles offense. It far exceeds the Bears. As does the overall talent. I have not seen Jalen Hurts do anything that I don’t think Justin Fields can do. Hurts has better coaching and talent around him.
A major reason I still believe in Fields are his intangibles. His work ethic. His leadership. His toughness. His character. His arm talent. And his insane athletic ability. You obviously disagree, but I do not think Fields has reached his ceiling. And I think his floor is pretty high. Most quarterbacks would not still be attractive trade targets after going through what Fields has gone through for 3 years. It would have ruined most QBs in my opinion. Look at Zach Wilson and Mac Jones. No one will trade for them and start them next year.
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Blink twice if you're in trouble and need help Tempo
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Shifting gears, I have not heard anything close to an actual report on the topic; but the Chargers are having major cap problems and in need of a rebuild, or at least an overhaul. I would not rule out the Chargers trading Herbert, and I’d definitely give them the 1st pick for him.
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Blink twice if you're in trouble and need help Tempo
I don’t get it.
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Blink twice if you're in trouble and need help Tempo
Are you making fun of me, or is that weird way to say you find what I wrote as reasonable? My guess is you’re mocking me.
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Are you making fun of me, or is that weird way to say you find what I wrote as reasonable? My guess is you’re mocking me.
Both. :)
I thought it was nice to see you acknowledge that maybe Fields is actually the guy he's been so far.
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And I’ll be honest, I don’t know how you go from this to “can’t pass.” I realize college to pro isn’t always easy to project. And as i understand it they take into account ball placement and throws with anticipation. I really feel like some deprogrammed Justin Fields.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-chicago-bears-justin-fields-most-accurate-quarteback-ohio-state-pff-college-era#:~:text=PFF%20Data%20Study%3A%20Justin%20Fields,News%2C%20Rankings%20and%20Statistics%20%7C%20PFF
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Thought this was funny in its own way (and of course, I agree!). Smokin’ Jay is Team Justin!
https://x.com/chgo_bears/status/1744907481103454269?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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And I’ll be honest, I don’t know how you go from this to “can’t pass.” I realize college to pro isn’t always easy to project. And as i understand it they take into account ball placement and throws with anticipation. I really feel like some deprogrammed Justin Fields.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-chicago-bears-justin-fields-most-accurate-quarteback-ohio-state-pff-college-era#:~:text=PFF%20Data%20Study%3A%20Justin%20Fields,News%2C%20Rankings%20and%20Statistics%20%7C%20PFF
I hadn't realized this metric also said Trubisky is more accurate than Mahomes. :)
I also think its pretty clear looking at this list that it isn't very predictive of NFL success.
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I couldn’t give a fuck less what his accuracy was playing with team full of pros at Ohio State against mostly amateurs
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Success, maybe not, but all NFL quarterbacks.
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I couldn’t give a fuck less what his accuracy was playing with team full of pros at Ohio State against mostly amateurs
Lol
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All 23 NFL quarterbacks, and out of the 23 I’d say 14 or so at least had/having semi-respectable careers.
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Success, maybe not, but all NFL quarterbacks.
I would hope so - it's only the guys drafted in the first round.
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All 23 NFL quarterbacks, and out of the 23 I’d say 14 or so at least had/having semi-respectable careers.
But the bottom 8 on the list are better than the top 8 by quite a bit.
Yes, all 1st round QBs from 2015-2021 played NFL football. The order of the list is not at all correlated to how good they've been as NFL QBs, though.
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I would hope so - it's only the guys drafted in the first round.
Ahhh, no wonder. Haha
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That stat is kind of odd to read about too.
Strength of schedule plays a part for example, so Fields got + for playing in the CFP against Alabama and Clemson where other guys were dinged because their opponents weren't good enough.
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Some pretty good ones near the top though.
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That stat is kind of odd to read about too.
Strength of schedule plays a part for example, so Fields got + for playing in the CFP against Alabama and Clemson where other guys were dinged because their opponents weren't good enough.
There’s a lot going there for sure. I don’t take analytics such as these as gospel, but to be the #1 most “accurate” passer in college football for a 9-10 year period tells me there’s something there.
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Some pretty good ones near the top though.
And near the bottom, too. And also some of the most notable duds scattered pretty evenly throughout.
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There’s a lot going there for sure. I don’t take analytics such as these as gospel, but to be the #1 most “accurate” passer in college football for a 9-10 year period tells me there’s something there.
Couldn't I also make the "if you're the third most accurate QB drafted in the first round in a 9-10 year period, that tells me there's something there" only I'm talking about Mac Jones?
It just doesn't mean anything in terms of how good somebody is going to be as an NFL QB. If it did, the best NFL QBs in the NFL would be at the top of the list instead of the bottom.
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Again though, that’s just NFL 1st rounders. Fields is #1 all-time (PFF era). Again, take it with a grain of salt, but I don’t think that’s entirely fluky.
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Again though, that’s just NFL 1st rounders. Fields is #1 all-time (PFF era). Again, take it with a grain of salt, but I don’t think that’s entirely fluky.
Who's #2?
I'm trying to find some evidence of that claim in the article or a list of the 'most accurate college passers of the PFF era', but can't - only that claim in the article you linked from right after the draft, which leads directly into that list I just posted of first round QBs.
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Yes both of those things link to the same article you posted on the last page.
The article doesn’t have a list of the most accurate passers in the PFF era. It has a chart showing the highest EPA and CPOE during Fields’ time as a starter (19 and 20), and mentions his SOS. It has the list of first round QBs. A couple other charts that aren’t “best accuracy in the PFF era”. It’s kind of a weird claim that they don’t really provide their evidence for.
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The guy who restlessly mocked Spark for "comparing" Trubisky to Manning is on a text thread comparing Fields to Brees. You can't make this stuff up.
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The guy who restlessly mocked Spark for "comparing" Trubisky to Manning is on a text thread comparing Fields to Brees. You can't make this stuff up.
As usual, you missed the point.
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As usual, you missed the point.
I think Spark would say that is ironic, but he can speak for himself obviously.
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I compared their 3rd seasons. Nothing else. Clearly Brees was a superior passer. But not in his 3rd season.
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I compared their 3rd seasons. Nothing else. Clearly Brees was a superior passer. But not in his 3rd season.
LOL. Yes, the two are the same when it comes to mechanics, being whiny bitches about being coached, etc.
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This…
https://x.com/jeremylayt0n/status/1746319203651465236?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Lol
You can make a perfectly reasoned argument either way.
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This…
https://x.com/jeremylayt0n/status/1746319203651465236?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
A key admission in that tweet is "Not every prospect will (be) CJ Stroud, obviously."
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I find it funny that the modern fan is so entitled and so detached from reality that they point at a nearly unprecedented single season turnaround and say “See! This is what it’s supposed to look like!”
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I’m sure Caleb Williams can come in and average 150 yards passing 😂
Fields is a worse passer than Mitch Trubisky by the numbers dude. A good QB makes up for a lot of things and players around them better. It’s what everyone covets and goes all out for. Fields isn’t that guy. If somebody offers the Beats a 1st round pick in desperation, they better trade him in a split second.
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Hopefully we get to see what Fields looks like with a competent OC and league representative talent to work with.
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I get that Justin is not an accomplished pocket passer. And there are multiple reasons for that, which are partly on him.
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Judge Judy should be charged with murder today. Just killing Kool-Aid34.
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Judge Judy should be charged with murder today. Just killing Kool-Aid34.
🧌
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Question for the “Stroud is doing it with bums” crowd. Who besides DJ is taking a short pass in the flat for a 76 yard touchdown? Let alone a backup TE. Not saying Stroud’s weapons are elite, they are not, but they are good; and well coached.
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Question for the “Stroud is doing it with bums” crowd. Who besides DJ is taking a short pass in the flat for a 76 yard touchdown? Let alone a backup TE. Not saying Stroud’s weapons are elite, they are not, but they are good; and well coached.
Mooney, whose career Amon-Ra St. Brown accuses Fields of purposely sabotaging.
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Mooney, whose career Amon-Ra St. Brown accuses Fields of purposely sabotaging.
I was just gonna post this…
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Hahahahaha wut
Have we ever seen Darnell Mooney catch a ball and run 50+ yards with it? I can’t recall such a play.
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Blurb from Abu Abbas Mafu, Twitter football expert?
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LOL
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Blurb from Abu Abbas Mafu, Twitter football expert?
So women and men with “funny” names can’t be knowledgeable on football. Nice addition to HQ2 rules on how the world works.
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LOL
LOL
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LOL
I thought you were big on the actual players/former players “knowing?!”
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I thought you were big on the actual players/former players “knowing?!”
Apparently you didn’t read the caption.
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Apparently you didn’t read the caption.
Funny how he got receptions when Bagent was playing… 🤔 I guess Getsy is to blame and liked Bagent more. Bagent spread it around, Fields not so much. First read option only one getting anything with Fields. It’s pointless arguing with FFF’s as they literally have an excuse for EVERYTHING Fields’ related. EVERYTHING!
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It’s not hard to complete more passes when you’re only throwing it 2.1 yards on average.
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This guy still thinks Tyson Bagent was “good.”
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This guy still thinks Tyson Bagent was “good.”
Per usual, you’re missing the point. Funny how many more WR’s caught balls when he was in, huh. Getsy must’ve had a bias.
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The offense averaged 17 points a game when he was in (inflated by a decent total against a really bad Raiders team). None of the teams they played were playoff teams, and two of them were flat out terrible. No one besides you actually thinks Tyson Bagent is “good.”
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The offense averaged 17 points a game when he was in (inflated by a decent total against a really bad Raiders team). None of the teams they played were playoff teams, and two of them were flat out terrible. No one besides you actually thinks Tyson Bagent is “good.”
I don’t think he’s “good,” I’m saying that Fields is bad. If Bagent can do it and Fields can’t, then I think you’ve got a major problem. You literally make excuses for every mediocre or bad player on the Bears EXCEPT Fields…
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Bagent averages 2.5 less air yards per attempt than Fields, has a passer rating 15 points worse, and a higher INT rate. Stop acting like what he did was good. They rarely threw the ball past the line of scrimmage with Bagent.
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Bagent averages 2.5 less air yards per attempt than Fields, has a passer rating 15 points worse, and a higher INT rate. Stop acting like what he did was good. They rarely threw the ball past the line of scrimmage with Bagent.
Fields rarely throws it too…
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Rarely…
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So women and men with “funny” names can’t be knowledgeable on football. Nice addition to HQ2 rules on how the world works.
Just asking which The Twitter Expert you got that from. J. Cheever Loophole, Esq.?
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Just asking which The Twitter Expert you got that from. J. Cheever Loophole, Esq.?
I got it from Apu from The Simpsons.
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He’s a renowned football expert.
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He’s a renowned football expert.
I’m sure Apu’s “football” expertise is different from the one you’re discussing…
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Lol seems a bit high even to me, but just goes to show how Justin is viewed in other circles as compared to HQ2 and Twitter.
https://heavy.com/sports/new-england-patriots/justin-fields-bears-trade/
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Lol seems a bit high even to me, but just goes to show how Justin is viewed in other circles as compared to HQ2 and Twitter.
https://heavy.com/sports/new-england-patriots/justin-fields-bears-trade/
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There’s NO WAY IN FUCKING HELL you pay Justin Fields that amount of money based off what he’s done so far. THAT IS LEGIT INSANE!
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Lol seems a bit high even to me, but just goes to show how Justin is viewed in other circles as compared to HQ2 and Twitter.
https://heavy.com/sports/new-england-patriots/justin-fields-bears-trade/
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LOL. What morons. They watch the asskicking by the Packer? The 1 in H1M stands for "1 victory over an over .500 team."
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Interesting that the Bears would interview Greg Roman if they were “for sure moving on” from Justin Fields. They don’t need to work that hard to create a smokescreen, and would be ridiculous to interview a guy just for show.
And can’t imagine they’d view him as a strong fit for Caleb.
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Interesting that the Bears would interview Greg Roman if they were “for sure moving on” from Justin Fields. They don’t need to work that hard to create a smokescreen, and would be ridiculous to interview a guy just for show.
And can’t imagine they’d view him as a strong fit for Caleb.
I think Poles is actually just doing his due diligence and exploring ALL options. That way his bases are covered whichever way he does decide to go. Either way, he’s gonna piss a lot of people off…
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Fields sure as shit isn’t on this years MVP top-100 list…
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/39308532/ranking-nfl-top-100-mvp-2023-regular-season-prescott-allen-jackson-purdy
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Some interesting stuff on the Packers WR group.
https://x.com/jacobinfante24/status/1747296485773828577?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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https://x.com/dave_bfr/status/1747661984206622795?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Jaylon pretty clear in the belief Justin hasn’t received good coaching or gotten adequate help.
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😂 sounds like he’s quoting Tempo here…
https://x.com/mccaskeyssuck/status/1747775214757597195?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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😂 sounds like he’s quoting Tempo here…
https://x.com/mccaskeyssuck/status/1747775214757597195?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Dead on.
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Dead on.
An intelligent response from this guy, but I’m not sure he we can take his thoughts seriously because he has a funny foreign sounding name.
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You couldn’t draw up a better meatball profile if you tried. “McCaskeyssuck” Twitter handle and “Tank for Caleb” in the profile.
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He’s even got the cheesy stash.
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An intelligent response from this guy, but I’m not sure he we can take his thoughts seriously because he has a funny foreign sounding name.
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It's not strawman language when it is exactly the stuff you have been saying here.
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You couldn’t draw up a better meatball profile if you tried. “McCaskeyssuck” Twitter handle and “Tank for Caleb” in the profile.
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Liking both the Sox and the Cub is always a Red Flag.
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It's not strawman language when it is exactly the stuff you have been saying here.
#exactly
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An intelligent response from this guy, but I’m not sure he we can take his thoughts seriously because he has a funny foreign sounding name.
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He's trying way too hard in his The Twitter photo. He may as well have a dick drawn to his mouth, if you know what I mean. Not that there is anything wrong with it.
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#exactly
So it was not an intelligent response then.
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He's trying way too hard in his The Twitter photo. He may as well have a dick drawn to his mouth, if you know what I mean. Not that there is anything wrong with it.
Nice troll attempt.
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Nice troll attempt.
Because it is true?
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So it was not an intelligent response then.
If you want to boil it down to buzz words used by the OP, sure.
FTR, do you think Nagy is a good coach?
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And boiling it down to buzz words like “Nagy and tank,” are ignoring context and creating a strawman argument.
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And boiling it down to buzz words like “Nagy and tank,” are ignoring context and creating a strawman argument.
You have said the same exact verbiage here. It is as if McCaskeySucks Guy is Jasn or someone from here who is stealing your lines.
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If you want to boil it down to buzz words used by the OP, sure.
FTR, do you think Nagy is a good coach?
Again, you have repeated the same verbiage ad nauseam here.
He was not a great Head Coach, but he had Mitch and Fields to work with.
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Again, you have repeated the same verbiage ad nauseam here.
He was not a great Head Coach, but he had Mitch and Fields to work with.
And now he just oversaw Patrick Mahomes’ worst year as a pro!
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And now he just oversaw Patrick Mahomes’ worst year as a pro!
Weaker receiving corps than Fields. Still made 2d round of playoffs.
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Weaker receiving corps than Fields.
Bullshit.
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Weaker receiving corps than Fields. Still made 2d round of playoffs.
Also best defense he’s ever had. Andy Reid. Pathetic division.
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Bullshit.
Using the list of dropped passes you found, the Chiefs were 1st. Bears 4th from last.
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Again, the Chiefs throw a lot more than the Bears; and using aggregate “drops” as the sole criteria is asinine.
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Again, the Chiefs throw a lot more than the Bears; and using aggregate “drops” as the sole criteria is asinine.
But you sure as shit use every single one that happens to Fields!
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Interesting, “drops” have been a problem at Arrowhead for a while (pre-dating Mahomes).
https://operations.nfl.com/gameday/analytics/stats-articles/how-nfl-stadiums-factor-in-dropped-passes/
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But you sure as shit use every single one that happens to Fields!
Particularly the ones that cost the Bears wins (or a chance to win). Of which there are a couple too many to list.
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Particularly the ones that cost the Bears wins (or a chance to win). Of which there are a couple too many to list.
Same with Fields choking and not performing up to par, especially in the 4th quarter and his turnovers. But let’s not talk about that. That’s everybody else’s fault! He’s definitely lost us more games than he’s won…
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Same with Fields choking and not performing up to par, especially in the 4th quarter and his turnovers. But let’s not talk about that. That’s everybody else’s fault! He’s definitely lost us more games than he’s won…
I can only say so many hundreds of times, that Justin hasn’t always been his own best friend. But you can definitively look at a large handful of times when his teammates let him down in the clutch. It’s a team game. The ultimate team game.
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Heard an interesting tidbit that solves an argument we had a while back on Shanahan. Heard a national show talking about how Kyle Shanahan has final say on roster decisions, so no, John Lynch wasn’t giving him a quarterback he didn’t want.
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Here’s exactly what I’d do if I ran the Bears:
Keep Fields, trade down (get a massive haul maybe even trading down twice). I’d sign a Jimmy G, Mariota, or Tannehill type (with the understanding they are coming in to be a backup/emergency option). I’d then hope Nix, McCarthy, or maybe even Penix would fall to the 2nd round and take him. If none of those options are available, I’d probably take Michael Pratt or Spencer Rattler 3rd or 4th round.
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Sounds like the Bears are hiring Waldron. This seems favorable to Fields.
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I think it’s an okay hire that will look bad without a new quarterback.
From what I’ve read about Waldron from Seattle fans you will be blaming him for Fields being mediocre within 6 games.
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What does Brad Biggs say?
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Sounds like the Bears are hiring Waldron. This seems favorable to Fields.
That seems like you reading something into this that may not be there.
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That seems like you reading something into this that may not be there.
Possible.
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I’ve been a Jalen Hurts fan/truther since he came into the league. But I find this funny. They don’t mention his impressive squat totals?
https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-jalen-hurts-gets-labeled-biggest-diva-sports-fans-new-details-emerge-qb-eagles-oc
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I’ve been a Jalen Hurts fan/truther since he came into the league. But I find this funny. They don’t mention his impressive squat totals?
https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-jalen-hurts-gets-labeled-biggest-diva-sports-fans-new-details-emerge-qb-eagles-oc
As much as you crowed about him, and that Fields could be like him, he is looking like a flash in the pan (like all those NE QBs not named Brady)....hope he gets it together. Maybe he is a whiner like Fields too though.
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A QB needs to be able to pass. This is mind boggling…
https://x.com/brightsidebears/status/1749639494611906580?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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As much as you crowed about him, and that Fields could be like him, he is looking like a flash in the pan (like all those NE QBs not named Brady)....hope he gets it together. Maybe he is a whiner like Fields too though.
Like you weren’t slapping his dick to your face the last year and a half. “Look at his squats! This is what REAL WORK looks like!”
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Like you weren’t slapping his dick to your face the last year and a half. “Look at his squats! This is what REAL WORK looks like!”
Maybe he and Fields should have spent more time on the playbook
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Maybe he and Fields should have spent more time on the playbook
Back that bus up another time or two just in case you didn’t finish Hurts off!
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Back that bus up another time or two just in case you didn’t finish Hurts off!
You were a big fan of Hurts. Appears you are a big fan of diva QBs!
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You were a big fan of Hurts. Appears you are a big fan of diva QBs!
Keep backing that bus up. Not quite sure Hurts is dead yet!
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Keep backing that bus up. Not quite sure Hurts is dead yet!
I think you jinxed the kid.
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Brock Purdy under fire.
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Brock Purdy under fire.
As well he should be. Needs to play better. Even if he was the last pick in the draft
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He looked terrible the other day, made two or three separate mistakes that should’ve been INTs.
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Finally something out there that spells it all out. Bears need massive upgrades all over on offense (spare me the QB comments, we’ve been through that a million times). They need a massive upgrade in playmakers and probably a couple Oline pieces.
https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2024/01/22/shane-waldron-bears-offense/
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You know what I just realized recently? We always hear of “passing game coordinators,” or “running game coordinators,” bur I can’t ever remember a coach with those titles under the Bears.
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So apparently Jon Hoke is “passing game coordinator and cornerbacks coach.” That seems odd.
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Happy birthday to passing game coordinator and cornerbacks coach jon Hoke by the way!
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So much for the “can’t throw slants” narrative.
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Agree with these comments. The Bears are small at WR. Obviously, Claypool was supposed to help with that.
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This is pretty feasible, and I don’t know how MHJ, Brock Bowers, and 3 1st round picks (good chance 2 in the top 5) in 2025 isn’t incredibly attractive, even if you don’t like Justin Fields. Sure, Caleb *might* be great, but I would much rather do this than put all my eggs in one basket. If Fields doesn’t work out, they can find a QB. This roster would be the envy of the league save maybe SF.
Not to mention the additional 2nds and 3rds.
https://beargoggleson.com/posts/dream-nfl-draft-scenario-for-chicago-bears-keep-justin-fields-marvin-harrison/4
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This is pretty feasible, and I don’t know how MHJ, Brock Bowers, and 3 1st round picks (good chance 2 in the top 5) in 2025 isn’t incredibly attractive, even if you don’t like Justin Fields. Sure, Caleb *might* be great, but I would much rather do this than put all my eggs in one basket. If Fields doesn’t work out, they can find a QB. This roster would be the envy of the league save maybe SF.
Not to mention the additional 2nds and 3rds.
https://beargoggleson.com/posts/dream-nfl-draft-scenario-for-chicago-bears-keep-justin-fields-marvin-harrison/4
Neither MHJ, Brock Bowers, nor any of the 3 1st round picks may pan out. Why bother?
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Exactly.
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Lol
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/bears-news/nfl-analyst-suggests-49ers-replace-brock-purdy-with-justin-fields/535586/
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Lol
https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/dak-prescott-dallas-cowboys-trade-draft-blockbuster-justin-fields-bears
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Keyshawn Johnson bringing the heat with Kap! Well schooled on the subject of Fields/Bears and doesn’t fall for the lazy narratives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1_rw0d459Y
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😂
https://x.com/b_willijax/status/1751709384630063372?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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But Justin’s special… 😂
https://x.com/b_willijax/status/1752882409693937942?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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SMH
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Kingsbury to Washington would seem to indicate Washington thinks they will get the top pick from Chicago. Very little chance they draft Maye or Daniels to replace JF1 IMO. Just can’t see that happening. Like 5% of the fanbase would be ok with that, and that might be generous. I’m here to share the good news: Justin Fields is almost certainly staying in Chicago!
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Would not surprise me that they would be that dumb. If they do that, Poles and Eberlose will probably not survive for 2025-26.
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Why are you obsessed with keeping a bottom of the league QB?! Weird…
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Why are you obsessed with keeping a bottom of the league QB?! Weird…
Especially one that has been absolutely brutal in the 4th quarter.
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You HOPE he’ll be good and better than what he has been, but nothing to show that he will after 3 years. Williams has way more potential (a consensus) and you say he might be a bust, yet defend Fields. Again, weird as fuck…
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You HOPE he’ll be good and better than what he has been, but nothing to show that he will after 3 years. Williams has way more potential (a consensus) and you say he might be a bust, yet defend Fields. Again, weird as fuck…
More importantly a new QB resets the cap clock. Plus, odds are Eberlose is gone next year anyway.
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You HOPE he’ll be good and better than what he has been, but nothing to show that he will after 3 years. Williams has way more potential (a consensus) and you say he might be a bust, yet defend Fields. Again, weird as fuck…
Your “weird as fuck” comments are weird as fuck.
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More importantly a new QB resets the cap clock. Plus, odds are Eberlose is gone next year anyway.
Yes, if you fall for the lazy narrative and don’t bother doing some outside the box math. The plethora of draft picks offsets a lot of the quarterback salary. And Fields wouldn’t even be expensive till 2026. If he’s even still the QB then.
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You HOPE he’ll be good and better than what he has been, but nothing to show that he will after 3 years. Williams has way more potential (a consensus) and you say he might be a bust, yet defend Fields. Again, weird as fuck…
Yeah, it’s crazy to think Fields would get better with better coaching and significant talent upgrades on offense. Fucking weird, huh.
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Yeah, it’s crazy to think Fields would get better with better coaching and significant talent upgrades on offense. Fucking weird, huh.
And crazy to think the Bears might be a better team with better QB talent/play. You’re so big on the upside of Fields talent, but not on the possibility that you have a better QB in Williams, period. There’s a reason he’s rated so highly. If anything, he’s not gonna be worse throwing the ball. Hell, we’re not really getting anything QB-wise/passing out of Fields. It’s his legs/running ability you’re enamored with. That’s not passing the ball though. Thats what we need. Outside of Moore, Fields didn’t disperse the ball well. Williams comparisons are Rodgers and Mahomes. Why the fuck would you pass that up for the 25th best QB in the league?!
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Embrace the weird, dude.
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Embrace the weird, dude.
You’re the one enamored, obsessed, and in love with a shitty fucking quarterback dude. YOU embrace it!
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Not sure what you don’t like about this. Much higher ceiling than Fields…
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👏🏼 please be true…
https://x.com/chicago_nfl/status/1754495902436270311?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Colin Cowherd is a 🤡 what a reverse from the other day, huh Tempo?! 😂
https://x.com/b_willijax/status/1754523022348726392?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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You’ll believe Cowherd, but I bet you won’t believe this one, Tempo. Wonder why?!
https://x.com/b_willijax/status/1754487864941760561?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Colin Cowherd is a 🤡 what a reverse from the other day, huh Tempo?! 😂
https://x.com/b_willijax/status/1754523022348726392?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
I forget who it was, but someone here said Cowherd was a very credible USC/Williams source!
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👏🏼 please be true…
https://x.com/chicago_nfl/status/1754495902436270311?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
I’m not saying they aren’t moving on from Fields, but I’m almost sure this is a closer decision than almost everyone thinks. I think there’s a solid 50/50 shot Fields is back. Also, Ben Devine is the most anti-Fields voice on Twitter.
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I forget who it was, but someone here said Cowherd was a very credible USC/Williams source!
FFS you’re lazier than Mully and Haugh in your takes
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You’ll believe Cowherd, but I bet you won’t believe this one, Tempo. Wonder why?!
https://x.com/b_willijax/status/1754487864941760561?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
I’ll bet that guy is no Brad Biggs.
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You’ll believe Cowherd, but I bet you won’t believe this one, Tempo. Wonder why?!
https://x.com/b_willijax/status/1754487864941760561?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
I actually saw that clip a couple of hours ago. Someone tweeted back at him about why wouldn’t the Commanders make a pitch for Caleb Williams and he basically responded “I never said they wouldn’t.” Trying to find that interaction.
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I actually saw that clip a couple of hours ago. Someone tweeted back at him about why wouldn’t the Commanders make a pitch for Caleb Williams and he basically responded “I never said they wouldn’t.” Trying to find that interaction.
Only Cowherd can backtrack!
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Only Cowherd can backtrack!
He didn’t so much. His backtrack is say that the Williams Camp told him they didn’t want to be painted as bad guys.
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I’m not saying they aren’t moving on from Fields, but I’m almost sure this is a closer decision than almost everyone thinks. I think there’s a solid 50/50 shot Fields is back.
Which is why they continue to be an inept franchise. But hey, they are starting on building that stadium in Arlington Heights next week!
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George Kittle: “I think the Bears should trade back, get as many picks as they can and give the quarterback some actual options.” 😂
https://x.com/clayharbs82/status/1754722907459113366?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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That’s what I said!
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Yet another player/former player says “keep Fields.”
https://x.com/chgo_bears/status/1754979609479970846?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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He wants the Bear to still suck as he is pissed they got rid of him.
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He wants the Bear to still suck as he is pissed they got rid of him.
Him leaving the shitty fucking Bears was most likely the best thing that could have happened to him.
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the Tempo meltdown in April is going to be epic guys, mark your calendars!!!!
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the Tempo meltdown in April is going to be epic guys, mark your calendars!!!!
It is the Bear...I have my cup on.
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the Tempo meltdown in April is going to be epic guys, mark your calendars!!!!
Hopefully better than last year, although last year was pretty hilarious.
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the Tempo meltdown in April is going to be epic guys, mark your calendars!!!!
Done
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the Tempo meltdown in April is going to be epic guys, mark your calendars!!!!
I’m pretty prepared for the possibility the Bears could move on from Fields.
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Hopefully better than last year, although last year was pretty hilarious.
What was “hilarious” exactly?
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Done
There will be no “meltdown.” I’m pretty aware of what could happen.
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There will be no “meltdown.” I’m pretty aware of what could happen.
Please say you’ll go root for the team we trade Fields to 🙏🏼
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What was “hilarious” exactly?
How giddy you were months leading up to the draft, then when the draft happened, how underwhelmed you were. It was awesome to watch.
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He wants the Bear to still suck as he is pissed they got rid of him.
Apparently not.
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How giddy you were months leading up to the draft, then when the draft happened, how underwhelmed you were. It was awesome to watch.
Oh yeah, that’s hilarious…
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I was slightly underwhelmed but understood why they’d take a tackle. Hilarious stuff.
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Apparently not.
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He's just trying to feed his family
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That’s not on all the WR’s…
https://x.com/bc2__/status/1755420190357991767?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Updated!
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Oh man...Just when you think it can't get much better.
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;D
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Shannon Sharpe’s take on the situation…
https://x.com/paytonsun/status/1755383746587435514?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Seth Rollins says keep Fields. He. Is. Him.
Starts at 1:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2R7tTVQVJ0
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Shannon Sharpe’s take on the situation…
https://x.com/paytonsun/status/1755383746587435514?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
As usual, an oversimplification of the topic. If Poles passes on Williams and he’s great, but the Bears are still good, Poles isn’t going anywhere.
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Shannon Sharpe’s take on the situation…
https://x.com/paytonsun/status/1755383746587435514?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
This is typical of the lazy narrative hot take groupthink that is so prevalent in media today.
If in 3-4 years Caleb Williams is a top 3 quarterback in the NFL it probably won’t matter much if MHJ is as good as he’s supposed to be, the 9th pick turns out to be a difference maker. And you get a couple other high level starters out of the haul. Maybe you even got a Jonathon Allen or a Terry McLaurin. Maybe Shane Waldron and a much needed influx of offensive talent helps get Justin to a higher level of play.
Bottom line, if the Bears have a winning team, Poles isn’t going anywhere regardless of what Caleb Williams is doing.
“Pass on the quarterback and he’s great, you’re fired” is lazy hot take shit.
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And getting a large haul of talent is just as good of a way to get better as drafting a QB #1 which has a hit rate of probably 30-35%.
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Seth Rollins says keep Fields. He. Is. Him.
Starts at 1:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2R7tTVQVJ0
I agree with him, but I don’t know who he is lol
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I agree with him, but I don’t know who he is lol
Wrestler
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Wrestler
Yeah, I figured that out toward the end when he said WWE
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Hmmmm…
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Andre Johnson is on his third try and hasn’t gotten in yet. Calvin’s already in. Julio, Fitz, and AJ are getting in. If he stays healthy Chase will get in.
Mike Evans is a maybe, but probably not IMO.
Roy Williams has no chance. That he’s even on your maybe list is awesome. Think you grabbed the safety’s achievements - the WR was a 1x pro bowler.
Waddle is on pace to have a very good career, but not a HOF one. Devonta Smith would have to explode to have a chance. Both are the second WR on their current team behind guys that weren’t high picks, obviously young though.
I count 5 likely HOF guys, with a couple “maybe probably not”s and a couple “maybe if they really blow up to finish their career”s.
Andre Johnson HOF
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Merrill Hoge says Caleb “isn’t special.” Read where he gave only Stroud a 1st round grade last year.
https://x.com/pete_martuneac/status/1756046047690830074?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Merrill Hoge says Caleb “isn’t special.” Read where he gave only Stroud a 1st round grade last year.
https://x.com/pete_martuneac/status/1756046047690830074?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Dude said Jacob Eason was better than Justin Herbert 😂 who gives a fuck what his opinion is?!
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Dude said Jacob Eason was better than Justin Herbert 😂 who gives a fuck what his opinion is?!
You share others’ opinions all the time. Whose are we to believe?
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https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/bears-analysis/why-ex-nfl-star-torry-holt-believes-bears-should-keep-justin-fields-pass-on-caleb-williams/538368/?amp=1
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I post this not for the “see Hoge is so smart” points, but because of the shocked looked from Stephen A. and the hilariously wrong comments from Skip Bayless.
https://x.com/codycarpentier/status/1756079446556070257?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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He's still concussed
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https://x.com/mr_freshlee/status/1756280165481521166?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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https://x.com/mr_freshlee/status/1756280165481521166?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Here’s exactly where I stand. If Poles is blown away, I’m sure I will be too. I think he understands just how good Williams is and would be a major upgrade as well. I guess we’ll see and I can judge then…
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https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/chicago-bears-radio-station-fields-caleb-qb1-debate.html
Tempo will definitely be there.
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They should have a town hall style debate at some brewpub.
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The Tyler Scott must hate Justin Fields narrative takes a big hit.
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/bears-analysis/bears-tyler-scott-reveals-moment-his-heart-broke-for-justin-fields-last-season/539877/?amp=1
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Not listening to The Score that much. It’s mostly the hosts just sucking off Caleb Williams and talking as if quarterback change is a certainty. They’ve become Skip Bayless clones, where any listener interaction is good reaction. Thus the “need” for a townhall.
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I like that as The Score has changed its tune, Tempo now thinks it sucks.
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I like that as The Score has changed its tune, Tempo now thinks it sucks.
My only problem is they are clearly trolling the audience. They’ve become a bunch of Skip Bayless clones and trolls (you’d fit in well there). It’s pretty clear there has been a directive to drive listener reaction by pretending quarterback change is inevitable. My only problem is they talk like it’s a certainty, and it’s not. I’m 99% sure they’ve embraced the First Take model.
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I like that as The Score has changed its tune, Tempo now thinks it sucks.
Which destroys your narrative that I get all of my opinions from The Score. RIP another shitty narrative.
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Which destroys your narrative that I get all of my opinions from The Score. RIP another shitty narrative.
The new narrative is that they are trolling the audience since they wised up to realize Fields sucks cock.
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Tempo, did you get your tickets to the QB1 Townhall?
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Not listening to The Score that much. It’s mostly the hosts just sucking off Caleb Williams and talking as if quarterback change is a certainty. They’ve become Skip Bayless clones, where any listener interaction is good reaction. Thus the “need” for a townhall.
Well you’re sucking off Fields, so what…
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Tempo, did you get your tickets to the QB1 Townhall?
Don’t imagine I’ll be going. Sounds fun, but I have actual adult stuff to do.
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Well you’re sucking off Fields, so what…
I am? Thinking he can be plenty good enough if he’s gets actual help is “sucking him off?” Ok.
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A lot of current and former players “sucking him off,” too.
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A lot of current and former players “sucking him off,” too.
A lot of those people sucking Caleb Williams off too, but you bash them like The Score.
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A lot of those people sucking Caleb Williams off too, but you bash them like The Score.
I don’t mind people hyping up Williams. The part that irks me is the arrogance and dismissiveness they have in every conversation. I’m totally open to the fact that Caleb Williams is very talented and could (maybe even probably!) be the next quarterback of the Bears. But acting like this is a “done deal” and trash-talking Justin in the process isn’t necessary. I’m totally up for having adult discussions on the topic.
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I have zero problem with someone saying “I think they should draft Caleb.” Or even “I believe they will draft Caleb.” But that’s not what we see. We see people with Caleb Williams photoshopped into a Bears uni acting as if this is a done deal and trash talking the entire way. Not necessary.
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Oh boy, too bad Spark isn't here to enjoy this...
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I have zero problem with someone saying “I think they should draft Caleb.” Or even “I believe they will draft Caleb.” But that’s not what we see. We see people with Caleb Williams photoshopped into a Bears uni acting as if this is a done deal and trash talking the entire way. Not necessary.
You JFF fans started that bullshit first. Defending him at all costs with your nonsense and trashing Williams along the way. Don’t act like that’s not true either…
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Oh boy, too bad Spark isn't here to enjoy this...
I had very little problem with Spark’s opinion. I told him it was justifiable 3 dozen times. He was the one telling me my position was not justifiable.
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You JFF fans started that bullshit first. Defending him at all costs with your nonsense and trashing Williams along the way. Don’t act like that’s not true either…
We are not a monolith. I feel like I’ve been pretty fair on Caleb. He’s got a lot of talent. But he has flaws and can be nitpicked, that’s undeniable.
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I had very little problem with Spark’s opinion. I told him it was justifiable 3 dozen times. He was the one telling me my position was not justifiable.
And that was the cause of the back and forth. If he had given my thoughts legitimacy, I’m sure there would have been far less back and forth.
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So if JSN is to be trusted (on what he didn’t say) about Waldron, we have to bank on what he says about Justin, correct?!
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/bears-analysis/bears-justin-fields-trade-marvin-harrison-jr-chris-olave-jaxon-smith-njigba/538129/
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So if JSN is to be trusted (on what he didn’t say) about Waldron, we have to bank on what he says about Justin, correct?!
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/bears-analysis/bears-justin-fields-trade-marvin-harrison-jr-chris-olave-jaxon-smith-njigba/538129/
Jsn is to be trusted when analyzing the corporate washroom.
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😂 🎯
https://x.com/brightsidebears/status/1758482999027359750?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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😂 🎯
https://x.com/brightsidebears/status/1758482999027359750?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
I’m currently deboarding a plane. Remind me to get back to you on this one.
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I’m currently deboarding a plane. Remind me to get back to you on this one.
getting out of Chicago before you get shot?
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getting out of Chicago before you get shot?
I shot someone so had to get out of town.
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I shot someone so had to get out of town.
Makes sense
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I’m currently deboarding a plane. Remind me to get back to you on this one.
Just a reminder. Unless you’re headed to China you should have gotten off you flight…
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Just a reminder. Unless you’re headed to China you should have gotten off you flight…
He could be in a Soviet gulag
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Just a reminder. Unless you’re headed to China you should have gotten off you flight…
Sorry. I was busy having fun.
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Sorry. I was busy having fun.
I’ve seen Dexter. Sounds like I need to start killing people. Enjoy!
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He could be in a Soviet gulag
One could only hope…
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Went to a comedy show and saw Godfrey. He was pretty good. Amazing with his voice. Went bar hopping, eating, and got really high.
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https://nflspinzone.com/posts/chicago-bears-drafting-caleb-williams-would-be-a-huge-mistake-01hppvat2wsb/6
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Just a reminder. Unless you’re headed to China you should have gotten off you flight…
Just another reminder since you’re posting links regarding not drafting Caleb Williams…
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😂 🎯
https://x.com/brightsidebears/status/1758482999027359750?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
The top two options on those teams are far and away better than the top two options on the Bears. And I’d argue their 3rd and 4th options are better. What did Scott do this year when thrown to besides drop the ball in critical situations (Detroit, Cleveland)?
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The top two options on those teams are far and away better than the top two options on the Bears. And I’d argue their 3rd and 4th options are better. What did Scott do this year when thrown to besides drop the ball in critical situations (Detroit, Cleveland)?
Are you suggesting Poles whiffed again on a WR?
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Are you suggesting Poles whiffed again on a WR?
Yes.
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Scott could still end up being good. But he wasn’t an NFL quality player last year. I’ve even had a mini change of heart on Velus Jones. I’m wondering if used correctly could he be a sort of Cordarrelle Patterson type.
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Or have a QB who can progress through their reads and throw them the fucking ball! 💡 ding ding ding 🛎️ we have a fucking winner winner 🐓 dinner!
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There are a lot of good quarterbacks who aren’t particularly great at “getting through their progressions.” Hurts has been criticized for it. Lamar I don’t think is particularly good at it. You know who is supposed to be great at it? Mac Jones.
“Getting through progressions” is an overrated trait. Every QB misses reads. Tom Brady said he usually knew where he was going with the football presnap.
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Let me know when Fields actually knows the offense.....
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Let me know when Fields actually knows the offense.....
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Exactly. He has zero clue where he is throwing the ball, but has time to whine about being coached. He is lazy. Lazy with his footwork and lazy studying defenses.
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Exactly. He has zero clue where he is throwing the ball, but has time to whine about being coached. He is lazy. Lazy with his footwork and lazy studying defenses.
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Would be more fitting 😂
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Exactly. He has zero clue where he is throwing the ball, but has time to whine about being coached. He is lazy. Lazy with his footwork and lazy studying defenses.
Lol
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Lol
I know. It is comical that people think he is any good and want the Bear to keep him!
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It’s comical that you think you know his work and study habits.
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It’s comical that you think you know his work and study habits.
Facts are right there for all to see: he whined about being coached. Footwork is too slow dropping back. Too slow releasing the ball, especially when facing a zone defense. If he is not lazy, why do the same problems with footwork and reading defenses persist after 3 years? I hear he is a great human though.
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Maybe he was coached that way. O’Sullivan said it was a possibility. You’re literally the only one still bitching about him “complaining about being coached.” Which is a gross exaggeration of what actually happened. In retrospect, Fields was smart to buck Getsy. If Kingsbury hadn’t backed out of Vegas, Getsy would be carrying the ball bag for Aaron Rodgers again, or running the offense at Alcorn State.
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Maybe he was coached that way. O’Sullivan said it was a possibility. You’re literally the only one still bitching about him “complaining about being coached.” Which is a gross exaggeration of what actually happened. In retrospect, Fields was smart to buck Getsy. If Kingsbury hadn’t backed out of Vegas, Getsy would be carrying the ball bag for Aaron Rodgers again, or running the offense at Alcorn State.
LOL. No. It isn't a gross exaggeration.. Getsy said Fields was a great human though! Note what he didn't say about Fields. When are the Bear picking up his option?
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Fields "unfollows" the Bear on the InstaFace. No, he's not a little whiny bitch at all...
https://www.outkick.com/sports/chicago-bears-qb-justin-fields-unfollows-team-with-major-decision-looming-ahead-of-nfl-draft
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Goddamn, there are people who check who celebrities are following on social media and then write articles about it.
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Fields "unfollows" the Bear on the InstaFace. No, he's not a little whiny bitch at all...
https://www.outkick.com/sports/chicago-bears-qb-justin-fields-unfollows-team-with-major-decision-looming-ahead-of-nfl-draft
Also Justin Fields’ IG account:
(https://i.postimg.cc/3NPDZtF4/IMG-6648.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)upload picture with link (https://postimages.org/)
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No one has shown any proof he followed them to begin with. CJ Stroud does not follow the Texans! What a whiny bitch, he obviously wants out of Houston!
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No one has shown any proof he followed them to begin with. CJ Stroud does not follow the Texans! What a whiny bitch, he obviously wants out of Houston!
Pretty sure you would hold this against Caleb Williams in the same situation.
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Pretty sure you would hold this against Caleb Williams in the same situation.
Pretty sure you’re MSU.
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https://x.com/udontknowri/status/1759813483862929808?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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https://beargoggleson.com/posts/chicago-bears-need-avoid-drafting-quarterback-costs
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No one has shown any proof he followed them to begin with. CJ Stroud does not follow the Texans! What a whiny bitch, he obviously wants out of Houston!
I must have missed him complaining about the Texan coaches
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I must have missed him complaining about the Texan coaches
Weak narrative. You’ve overblown what happened, but that’s not surprising in the least.
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Weak narrative. You’ve overblown what happened, but that’s not surprising in the least.
Seems like teams, like the Steeler, have taken note of it.
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You’re literally the only person alive still
harping on that.
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You’re literally the only person alive still
harping on that.
Sure it is being talked about by GMs around the league
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Sure it is being talked about by GMs around the league
Lol
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Lol
It is laughable that you don't think that an industry known for deep dives into player backgrounds, etc., doesn't factor it in.
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It is laughable that you don't think that an industry known for deep dives into player backgrounds, etc., doesn't factor it in.
It’s is laughable the mountain you’ve made out of a molehill.
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Yet another player who says “build around Justin.” Funny how none of them mention his “refusal to take coaching.” Even his critics.
https://x.com/justinfieldsfc/status/1760319263704039855?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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https://x.com/daveswerski/status/1760309237887230337?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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https://x.com/79thandhalas/status/1760299713008488902?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Yet another player who says “build around Justin.” Funny how none of them mention his “refusal to take coaching.” Even his critics.
https://x.com/justinfieldsfc/status/1760319263704039855?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
LOL
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It’s is laughable the mountain you’ve made out of a molehill.
Yes, because it is every day you see a shit QB whining about being coached and then backtracking like a little bitch!
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Like a little bitch!
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Boy, doesn't Tempo look gullible, like Republicans drooling over Putin....
Fields did unfollow the Bear...LOL
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39569977/justin-fields-wants-stay-bears-business
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Every Internet discussion on the Bears turns into a Caleb vs Justin argument. He didn’t want to see that in his timeline every day. Who can blame him?
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Boy, doesn't Tempo look gullible, like Republicans drooling over Putin....
Fields did unfollow the Bear...LOL
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39569977/justin-fields-wants-stay-bears-business
And according to you it was a click-bait story. So it’s either important or it’s not. You seem to keep taking each side of it.
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And according to you it was a click-bait story. So it’s either important or it’s not. You seem to keep taking each side of it.
It is meaningless. But it is ultimately entertaining to see The Fields Cult twist themselves in knots over it... Remember when you said he never even if followed the Bears? LOL.
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Again, you’re contradicting yourself.
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It is meaningless. But it is ultimately entertaining to see The Fields Cult twist themselves in knots over it... Remember when you said he never even if followed the Bears? LOL.
What I said is that no one knew for sure if he followed them to begin with. And there are other QBs who don’t follow their team, like Stroud. You’re making a pretty deal out of something that’s “meaningless.”
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What I said is that no one knew for sure if he followed them to begin with. And there are other QBs who don’t follow their team, like Stroud. You’re making a pretty deal out of something that’s “meaningless.”
I'm not the Sun-Times, New York Post....
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Again, you’re contradicting yourself.
You are deflecting.
Fields now showing that he is mentally weak by saying he just wants it over with.
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Fields now showing that he is mentally weak by saying he just wants it over with.
That is a really really bad look on his part.
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Lol
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Lol
Oh if Caleb Williams said it you’d be having a meltdown here that his character is bad and mental toughness!
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I swear you guys are 12 years old sometimes. He was on a podcast. They asked him about it. Of course he’d like to know what they’re going to do, just as you would if it was you.
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Oh if Caleb Williams said it you’d be having a meltdown here that his character is bad and mental toughness!
Yep.
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https://x.com/mr_freshlee/status/1760367148726165772?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Yep.
Not yep. That accusation is total disphittery.
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I think you’d be hard pressed to find a lot of negative comments from me about Caleb. I think he’s a really good prospect. Worthy of being a #1 overall.
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I swear you guys are 12 years old sometimes. He was on a podcast. They asked him about it. Of course he’d like to know what they’re going to do, just as you would if it was you.
LOL. If they have not discussed it with him already he thinks he is gone.
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I think you’d be hard pressed to find a lot of negative comments from me about Caleb. I think he’s a really good prospect. Worthy of being a #1 overall.
Bullshit. You have been MF'n him. Now you see what is happening you change your tune. Welcome to Team Anybody But Fields.
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I didn’t see the whole thing, but the Justin Fields I saw was in a good mood and seemingly at peace without whatever happens. I’m sure he’d like to know his future, as would anyone.
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Bullshit. You have been MF'n him. Now you see what is happening you change your tune. Welcome to Team Anybody But Fields.
Okerrr…
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Cowherd going to hear it from The Fields Cult...
https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/colin-cowherd-chicago-media-fjustin-fields-new-york.html
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Cowherd going to hear it from The Fields Cult...
https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/colin-cowherd-chicago-media-fjustin-fields-new-york.html
(https://i.postimg.cc/prk4jLzN/IMG-6687.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/n9j3bZ3T)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/prk4jLzN/IMG-6687.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/n9j3bZ3T)
Like I said. I get it. Cowherd cannot be trusted since he turned his back on Fields. This was not predictable at all.
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Like I said. I get it. Cowherd cannot be trusted since he turned his back on Fields. This was not predictable at all.
I have no idea what you even mean here.
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I have no idea what you even mean here.
He means you were all about propping Cowherd up earlier, but now he doesn’t know shit. All based on if it’s a pro or a con for Fields/Williams.
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It's really not complicated, Tempo.
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How was I “all about Cowherd?” I gave what he said about Williams credence because he is close to the situation at USC. Nothing more. I doubt I’ve spent 20 minutes of my life listening to Cowherd or his takes.
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It's really not complicated, Tempo.
What’s “not complicated?”
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You sound like Robb.
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The Williams comments Cowherd made had nothing to do with Fields. Those comments were independent of Justin Fields. Keep reaching.
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I am actually struggling to think of a single local radio host or reporter who has shilled for Fields at any point recently. Leila Rahemi, I guess? And she’s a woman, so clearly she is stupid!
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The morning and afternoon shows on The Score talk with glee about drafting Caleb Williams. I haven’t listened much to Bernstein and Holmes, but I’ve heard them both say they expect the Bears to move on. What I’ve heard on EPSN 1000 isn’t really any different. Bears Twitter (“reporters”) are constantly trolling Fields supporters with pro-Caleb anti-Justin material. I can’t think of a single reporter who supports Fields. Maybe like 2 podcasters. The majority of them bash Fields too.
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Local media has not been on the Fields train in a while.
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Only 2 more months to go until the Draft. Hope Fields can go that long without social media!
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These two months are gonna be insufferable if nothing substantial is announced before then…
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DraftKings has apparently removed their betting numbers on Justin Fields. We’ll see what happens.
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DraftKings has apparently removed their betting numbers on Justin Fields. We’ll see what happens.
But but but Peter King!
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No one here (meaning me) ever made the case a certain outcome was a given.
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And I still don’t think any certain outcome is a given. The latest talk is at the Bears may trade down and trade Justin.
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No one here (meaning me) ever made the case a certain outcome was a given.
Maybe, but you have said you relish when they trade the pick and keep Fields (so you can crow and enjoy the meltdown).
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Maybe, but you have said you relish when they trade the pick and keep Fields (so you can crow and enjoy the meltdown).
Sure, I’ve always maintained some optimism that would happen, but I haven’t been “guaranteeing” it. Trading Fields has always been on the table. Likely, even.
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Fields to Atlanta is picking up steam. Seeing one guy saying it’s a swap of 8 and 9 and #43. Source: “His guy.”
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If I were putting money down, my money would be going to Bears or Vikings. Maybe a little Patriots action. I think Cousins is going to Atlanta.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MGR41BTZ/IMG-6748.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2qk2DVhg)upload image (https://postimages.org/)
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If I were putting money down, my money would be going to Bears or Vikings. Maybe a little Patriots action. I think Cousins is going to Atlanta.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MGR41BTZ/IMG-6748.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2qk2DVhg)upload image (https://postimages.org/)
Should be some USFL teams listed on there
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Vikings go from +5000 last week to +550 this morning. If Fields is traded, I think this is his probably landing spot. Or NE.
I still think there’s a 50% chance he’s not traded.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8sQxdggC/IMG-6755.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8f4yD358)
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Vikings go from +5000 last week to +550 this morning. If Fields is traded, I think this is his probably landing spot. Or NE.
I still think there’s a 50% chance he’s not traded.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8sQxdggC/IMG-6755.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8f4yD358)
No way they trade him within the division.
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No way they trade him within the division.
I would. He sucks.
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Well I think Atlanta is getting Cousins. I’d be floored if he and Getsy reunite in Vegas. Saw the Browns catching some steam today. DeSean Watson is hot on the heels of Russell Wilson for worst contract ever. Patriots would seem a good fit IMO. I don’t think Pittsburgh is doing anything. They look to be going back to Pickett. Giants could be a good darkhorse.
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Lol
(https://i.postimg.cc/RFDtxhrZ/IMG-6767.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/r05sS8FB)
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Yet another former player says build around Justin…
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/bears-analysis/ex-bears-receiver-alshon-jeffery-adamant-they-build-around-justin-fields-baller-dj-moore/544852/?amp=1
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Lol
Here…we…GO?
https://x.com/troiledbyfields/status/1765580947917812191?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Lol
Here…we…GO?
https://x.com/troiledbyfields/status/1765580947917812191?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
How many idiots on The Twitter use Fields' name in their handle? What a bunch of losers.
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Wilbon with the rare level-headed perspective on this. I like the “there more than one way to get it done” comment, which is what I’ve said all along. Trashing of Wilbon’s “credentials” in 3…2…1!
https://x.com/bc2__/status/1765467713160327198?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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How many idiots on The Twitter use Fields' name in their handle? What a bunch of losers.
It could be less than the number of Bears fans with Caleb’s name and likeness in their handle. Which is really really weird.
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Trashing of Wilbon’s “credentials” in 3…2…1!
https://x.com/bc2__/status/1765467713160327198?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
As dependable as the sun rising in the East.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3J9k067D/IMG-6782.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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It could be less than the number of Bears fans with Caleb’s name and likeness in their handle. Which is really really weird.
Extremely doubtful. Fields Cult has been active much longer.
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Extremely doubtful. Fields Cult has been active much longer.
The Caleb Cult is very visible and devoted.
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I’d guess 7/10 of the Caleb Cult members are doing it specifically to troll the FFF crew. The other 3 are likely mentally handicapped in some way.
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I’d guess 7/10 of the Caleb Cult members are doing it specifically to troll the FFF crew. The other 3 are likely mentally handicapped in some way.
I'm guessing Tempo's Wall or Timeline or whatever it is called also has an overabundance of Fields and Williams hot takes which skewers his thinking.
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I said watch out for the Vikings when he was like -600 to go to Atlanta. Always trust content from the Tempo34Man. I still think there’s a realistic chance he goes nowhere.
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/justin-fields-emerges-as-new-favorite-to-start-for-vikings/545184/?amp=1
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I’d guess 7/10 of the Caleb Cult members are doing it specifically to troll the FFF crew. The other 3 are likely mentally handicapped in some way.
I think 7 out of 10 of them want to have sex with Caleb.
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Maybe so, can’t see why anyone would be that excited about him as a football player.
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I think 7 out of 10 of them want to have sex with Caleb.
Projection. You want that with Fields. Look at the Football Forum, dude…
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I said watch out for the Vikings when he was like -600 to go to Atlanta. Always trust content from the Tempo34Man. I still think there’s a realistic chance he goes nowhere.
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/justin-fields-emerges-as-new-favorite-to-start-for-vikings/545184/?amp=1
That would be awesome. The Vikings would really suck then.
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Projection. You want that with Fields. Look at the Football Forum, dude…
Tempo does have a Fields poster on the ceiling over his bed....
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Maybe the Bear should keep Fields so we do not have to worry about this happening to Bear fans...
https://fox4kc.com/news/70-of-chiefs-fans-who-suffered-frostbite-at-bitter-cold-playoff-game-need-amputations/
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The medical director at the Grossman Burn Center at Research Medical Center says 70% of patients referred for frostbite injuries suffered during the bitter cold in January are now being advised to schedule amputations.
Majority of them are Chiefs fans who attended the team’s frigid playoff game.
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Tempo does have a Fields poster on the ceiling over his bed....
You know this how?
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You know this how?
When he was laying on his back in your bed????
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You know this how?
You posted it on The Twitter.
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When he was laying on his back in your bed????
That’s what he seems to be implying!
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Sounds a lot like someone else I’ve been hearing a lot about. He left out the part of about taking too many sacks and leading the NCAA in fumbles over 3 years.
(https://i.postimg.cc/VNLZM5b9/IMG-6787.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DSHc3v6m)
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This is interesting alright.
(https://i.postimg.cc/7YsY2thf/IMG-6788.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nCmJ8kvJ)
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Who could doubt Mikey “Beardown” Cuz?
(https://i.postimg.cc/DZMY9pqp/IMG-6792.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vg5z9z25)
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Who could doubt Mikey “Beardown” Cuz?
(https://i.postimg.cc/DZMY9pqp/IMG-6792.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vg5z9z25)
I will say Mikey Beardown Cuz does have a fairly impressive list of Bears followers. Several high profile players and a few high profile media personalities.
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I will say Mikey Beardown Cuz does have a fairly impressive list of Bears followers. Several high profile players and a few high profile media personalities.
As we well know, there are a lot of stupid people out there. Good thing there are no stupid people here at HQ2.
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That’s highly debatable.
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Donovan McNabb says trade down.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/former-pro-bowl-qb-says-bears-are-caught-up-in-the-public-cry-to-trade-justin-fields-pick-caleb-williams/amp/
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He choked in the Super Bowl
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‘Member that Top 100 players list 😂 well here’s the AFTER last season list and Fields sucks…
https://x.com/clayharbs82/status/1766574616439304298?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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‘Member that Top 100 players list 😂 well here’s the AFTER last season list and Fields sucks…
https://x.com/clayharbs82/status/1766574616439304298?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
That’s PFF grade. The other list was chosen by players. Also…what do you notice about that list???
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LOL..why was his sack rate worse than the other QBs on the team; i.e., the other Bear QBs who didn't hold onto the ball all day long?
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LOL..why was his sack rate worse than the other QBs on the team; i.e., the other Bear QBs who didn't hold onto the ball all day long?
Because he was actually making a serious effort to matriculate the ball down the field?
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I guess we could ask Justin to average 2.2 air yards but that’s not for me. Thanks, though.
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Because he was actually making a serious effort to matriculate the ball down the field?
LOL. Tough to do when you don't read your progressions. We all know that is overrated though.
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I guess we could ask Justin to average 2.2 air yards but that’s not for me. Thanks, though.
You are big fan of sacks and fumbling.
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A bit. Jalen Hurts said not to be that good at it and he was MVP runner-up last year.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2024/03/10/how-many-bears-fans-want-justin-fields-to-succeed-elsewhere-caleb-williams-flop-in-chicago-ryan-poles
How many Bears fans want Justin Fields to succeed elsewhere and Caleb Williams to labor in Chicago?
Some people have a hard time letting go.
It’s possible that the Bears will trade Fields soon, but the one thing that has stood out so far is that there doesn’t yet seem to be the league-wide clamoring for the quarterback that the Fields enthusiasts had predicted. This might make a clear thinker wonder whether Fields is not quite as good – gasp! – as his backers think he is. Forgive me my dark thoughts.
How large is the percentage of Bears fans who would be happy if Fields succeeds somewhere else and the Bears struggle with No. 1 overall pick Caleb Williams as their starting quarterback?
That’s a long way of asking how powerful spite is and how important being right is to some people.
Rick Morrissey = ThePAMan is a match.
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Can’t expect anyone to come in with a highball offer well before they need to when there is a strong FA and draft class at the position.
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Can’t expect anyone to come in with a highball offer well before they need to when there is a strong FA and draft class at the position.
You do if Fields is any good.
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Admittedly, there are “safer” and cheaper options with upside out there. It’s a competitive market. Not too many quarterback trades have worked out well for the side getting the quarterback lately , so cautiousness shouldn’t be a surprise.
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Admittedly, there are “safer” and cheaper options with upside out there. It’s a competitive market. Not too many quarterback trades have worked out well for the side getting the quarterback lately , so cautiousness shouldn’t be a surprise.
LOL.
Fields' suckiness and 4th quarter ineptitude is what it causing caution. He sucks.
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/bears-analysis/mac-jones-trade-return-shows-bears-might-only-have-two-bad-options-with-justin-fields/545785/?amp=1
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But but but it’s Justin Fields’ fault that Darnell Mooney has been unproductive. And GBs receivers are good becuz Jordan Love is a god who allows them to be so.
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But but but it’s Justin Fields’ fault that Darnell Mooney has been unproductive. And GBs receivers are good becuz Jordan Love is a god who allows them to be so.
(https://i.postimg.cc/KcCf4fgH/IMG-6813.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
LOL. Tells me that when teams figured out the Sh1t QB could only throw screen passes, they defended them.
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Is that what that tells you? “QB’s fault.”
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Is that what that tells you? “QB’s fault.”
We all watched the Sh1t QB check down to screen passes against Minnesota
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I'm worried about Tempo. All this NFL QB movement leaving Fields with few landing spots and no word from him. He must be devastated.
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I'm worried about Tempo. All this NFL QB movement leaving Fields with few landing spots and no word from him. He must be devastated.
Plus, I need to know if Wh1n1ng QB1 is still dancing around in videos thinking he is going home to the Falcon....
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You can be really weird sometimes.
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I will seek confirmation, but hilarious if true!
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Rapaport said that the Bears “seem open” to trading Fields, but haven’t really shopped him yet. Seems to fly directly in the face of “we’d like to get something done soon and do right by Justin (if we go that route).” Said they want to make sure they are all in on Williams first.
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Yes, it is called ass covering by Poles since there is no market for Fields. The NFL Market has spoken.
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Reminds me a little bit of how Barack Obama “divided” the country by being elected POTUS.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bJqBtcsP/IMG-6828.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xkFRwZvp)
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Reminds me a little bit of how Barack Obama “divided” the country by being elected POTUS.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bJqBtcsP/IMG-6828.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xkFRwZvp)
Uh, what?
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Reminds me a little bit of how Barack Obama “divided” the country by being elected POTUS.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bJqBtcsP/IMG-6828.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xkFRwZvp)
In what way, that he wasn't very good at his job although people were insisting he was?
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Lol
https://heavy.com/sports/philadelphia-eagles/bears-justin-fields-trade-rumors/amp/
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I still think there’s a good chance Justin draws a solid return should they trade him. Confluence of events has really worked against him. Strong FA market, strong draft, and maybe what hurt him most was Caleb not doing the medicals. Would be irresponsible of Poles to trade Fields if he hasn’t seen Caleb’s medicals.
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When the game of musical chairs comes to an end someone will probably still want a quarterback. Patriots, Giants, Seahawks, Vikings, Broncos, come to mind. Not everyone will get what they want.
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I still think there’s a good chance Justin draws a solid return should they trade him. Confluence of events has really worked against him. Strong FA market, strong draft, and maybe what hurt him most was Caleb not doing the medicals. Would be irresponsible of Poles to trade Fields if he hasn’t seen Caleb’s medicals.
Omitted: the fact that Fields cannot read defenses....
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🎯 😂
https://x.com/jeremylayt0n/status/1767582741996925070?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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🎯 😂
https://x.com/jeremylayt0n/status/1767582741996925070?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Dagger.
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Lol
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Lol
Getsy got a job quick. Mooney gets a job quick. Fields deletes his social media apps as no one calls Poles seeking his services. Seems telling....but you have to not have your head up The Sh1t QB1's ass....
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Getsy got a job because Kingsbury backed out of Vegas. Incompetent coaches get like 4 shots in the NFL. Look at Matt Patricia.
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And incompetent starting QBs have a home in Chicago, it appears
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Vegas probably hired Getsy to appease Adams; because he knows Getsy will make sure he gets thrown to 16x a game.
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Vegas probably hired Getsy to appease Adams; because he knows Getsy will make sure he gets thrown to 16x a game.
Sure that was the reason. ::)
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https://x.com/undisputed/status/1767582680370266248?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Sure that was the reason. ::)
Well it can’t be that they were impressed by Luke Getsy’s résumé.
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Adams is by far their best offensive player, and was not happy with his role last year.
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Well it can’t be that they were impressed by Luke Getsy’s résumé.
Maybe they were impressed what he could get out of Sh1t QB1. Obvious that no one around the league is impressed with Sh1t QB1's talents or moxie.
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I swear to god you are Rosie from Point Break.
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I swear to god you are Rosie from Point Break.
She must have been a reality-grounded character.
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Rosie was a he.
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Devin Hester not the most eloquent speaker, but all in on Fields.
https://x.com/heykayadams/status/1767959232140423258?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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“Rosie is a…mechanism, you know…once you set him in motion he WILL NOT STOP. He’s got like this gift, to blankness.”
https://movie-sounds.org/action-movie-sound-clips/quotes-with-sound-clips-from-point-break-1991/but-rosie-is-a-mechanism-you-know-once-you-set-him-in-motion-he-will-not-stop-he-s-like-got-this-gift-of-blankness
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Rosie was a killing machine.
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😂 there more comparisons between n the following comments from this post… 😬
https://x.com/brightsidebears/status/1768671895719739886?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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😂
https://x.com/pff_brad/status/1768647144917893278?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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😂
https://x.com/pff_brad/status/1768647144917893278?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Tempo used to be a big fan of this guy.
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Great teammate and leadership by Fields. Funny Tempo, you don’t question his character…
https://x.com/2kevln/status/1768674813457891757?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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😂
https://x.com/nflhatememes/status/1768500399504314682?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Great teammate and leadership by Fields. Funny Tempo, you don’t question his character…
https://x.com/2kevln/status/1768674813457891757?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
He should be watching film, instead of going on vacation, since he can't read a zone defense.
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https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10113208-justin-fields-trade-rumors-eagles-checked-in-on-bears-qb-before-kenny-pickett-deal.amp.html
Apparently the Eagles wanted too much to take Fields off the Bear's hands.
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Great teammate and leadership by Fields. Funny Tempo, you don’t question his character…
https://x.com/2kevln/status/1768674813457891757?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Hilarious.
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https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10113208-justin-fields-trade-rumors-eagles-checked-in-on-bears-qb-before-kenny-pickett-deal.amp.html
Apparently the Eagles wanted too much to take Fields off the Bear's hands.
You mean the Bears wanted too much?
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First off, Fields is in Italy. Secondly, I doubt Poles wants him in the media right now. Thirdly, what do you want him to say? I’m not sure I’ve ever ran to the socials to catch Rex Grossman’s or Jay Cutler’s thoughts on off season acquisitions.
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You mean the Bears wanted too much?
No, the Eagle wanted draft picks in addition to Fields in exchange for a Philly Cheesesteak Sandwich. Actually, it was only a half eaten Philly Cheesesteak Sandwich.
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The Sh1t QB1 is a back up QB in Pittsburgh now....
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What a great fucking day!!!!
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6th round pick that could be a 4th depending upon how much he plays.... LOL
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ALWAYS listen to content from The PAMan.
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Illini win. Fields traded. Best Saturday ever.
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Caleb Williams, your table is ready.
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Wow. Would have liked more, but whatever. Glad I don’t have to watch him suck at throwing anymore.
I guess Tempo and the rest of the Fields cult can be Steeler fans now.
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Illini win. Fields traded. Best Saturday ever.
It’s a damn good one! And I got laid this morning.
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Illini win. Fields traded. Best Saturday ever.
!!!!!!
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🤣🤣
https://twitter.com/BakersBetter/status/1769133461023887605
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He’s fucking gone! Yay!!
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Caleb gonna ball the fuck out!!!!!
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Caleb gonna ball the fuck out!!!!!
Let’s hope.
Pretty incredible how the Chicago Bears never stopped doing Justin Fields dirty all the way up until his last 24 hours: Signed a competent Center, traded for Keenan Allen, then traded him to a team he won’t be able to compete for the starting spot for. Unbelievable how dirty they did this young man. Hope he balls out in Pittsburgh.
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Let’s hope.
Pretty incredible how the Chicago Bears never stopped doing Justin Fields dirty all the way up until his last 24 hours: Signed a competent Center, traded for Keenan Allen, then traded him to a team he won’t be able to compete for the starting spot for. Unbelievable how dirty they did this young man. Hope he balls out in Pittsburgh.
Cry
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Let’s hope.
Pretty incredible how the Chicago Bears never stopped doing Justin Fields dirty all the way up until his last 24 hours: Signed a competent Center, traded for Keenan Allen, then traded him to a team he won’t be able to compete for the starting spot for. Unbelievable how dirty they did this young man. Hope he balls out in Pittsburgh.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNdDDaPX0AcaKo0.jpg:large)
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Cry
Make me, bitch.
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Make me, bitch.
Lol
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I really am sorry, Tempo. You’ll like Williams though, and he’ll win us a championship before it’s over. It’s a business, so I have a hard time thinking they did Fields dirty. He was just in the organization at the wrong time. The Bears did what they had to do.
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Nm
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I really am sorry, Tempo. You’ll like Williams though, and he’ll win us a championship before it’s over. It’s a business, so I have a hard time thinking they did Fields dirty. He was just in the organization at the wrong time. The Bears did what they had to do.
They absolutely did him dirty. From his rookie training camp all the way to trading him to a team he can’t compete for 18 hours after trading for Keenan Allen.
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For the third regime in a row, a coach on the hot seat takes on a rookie quarterback. Some things never change. Bearssss…
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He’ll be ok. If he can play at all, he’ll make some good money. I’m sure he understands that it’s a business, and often a cruel shitty one at that.
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At least this is over.
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And he gets one of the few OCs who can challenge Luke Getsy for worst in the league. Why does Tomlin have a hard time getting good coordinators?
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Russ has got this. Don’t worry.
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Let’s hope.
Pretty incredible how the Chicago Bears never stopped doing Justin Fields dirty all the way up until his last 24 hours: Signed a competent Center, traded for Keenan Allen, then traded him to a team he won’t be able to compete for the starting spot for. Unbelievable how dirty they did this young man. Hope he balls out in Pittsburgh.
Fucking incredible that you think the is any good. Wrong again Tempo!
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At least this is over.
The mocking is just starting.
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Fucking told you so, Tempo. I fucking told you so. I now own you and Plaza.
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Fucking told you so, Tempo. I fucking told you so. I now own you and Plaza.
You told me what?
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https://x.com/nflhatememes/status/1769147112854339759?s=46
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Mike Tomlin is the one guy consistently putting it in Poles’ ass. Maybe don’t do business with the Steelers anymore, Ryan.
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It’s the Jedi mind trick
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I like my new avatar, but I’ll miss the old one.
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The Bears finally put together a good offensive NFL roster and trade Justin Fields 15 hours later. Lol Bearce…
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Ultimately, it’s the rookie contract that did Justin in IMO. Was a tough hurdle to clear. Wish he’d been given more to work with.
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The Bears finally put together a good offensive NFL roster and trade Justin Fields 15 hours later. Lol Bearce…
Trading fields is part of making it a good roster
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Ultimately, it’s the rookie contract that did Justin in IMO. Was a tough hurdle to clear. Wish he’d been given more to work with.
What did Justin in is that he wasn't very good. Didn't put up good enough passing numbers, couldn't read defenses and just didn't win enough.
It has zero to do with the rookie contract and everything to do with the fact that he didn't get it done. That's why he's no longer with the Chicago Bears.
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Should be a lot of turnover on the roster then.
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Ultimately, it’s the rookie contract that did Justin in IMO. Was a tough hurdle to clear. Wish he’d been given more to work with.
It's the fact that he's a Sh1t QB1 that did him in. If he was any good they would have had teams crawling over each other to grab him. GMAFB. He sucks.
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Mike Tomlin is the one guy consistently putting it in Poles’ ass. Maybe don’t do business with the Steelers anymore, Ryan.
Poles is lucky to move his sorry ass and not have to throw in a player or a draft pick.
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I’ve said many times Bagent performed admirably in those wins. He’s accomplished much more than you could expect as a D2 UDFA rookie. He’s just not a starting quarterback.
Neither is Fields....hey oooohhhhh
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Ok, maybe not “at worst,” but I think he’s got a very good chance of being a Daunte Culpepper/Donovan McNabb caliber player, possibly better. He’ll be better than Michael Vick ever was, at least long term. Lamar hasn’t exactly been a polished passer his entire career. I’d argue Fields is a better passer now than Lamar was last year.
LOL
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I don’t know he’s a better passer, but obviously not running as wild, but I know the players in the league respect and fear his playmaking ability, as well as the coaches.
As the coaches....who didn't trade for him.... hilarious
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NFL coaches respect him enough to draw up special game plans for him. Maybe we could find an OC who knows how to take advantage of that.
Yet no one would trade for him to be a starter.... hil-fucking-arious.
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Yeah, but very few of them get their own spy. That’s a huge advantage for the offense.
You still sure about this? They will be game planning while he is riding the bench?
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You can’t tell me the Saints wouldn’t rather have Fields.
Apparently not....
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You don’t think his NFL peers viewing him as a top player means anything?
Apparently not.
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Hopefully Fields won't be in any more Dunkin ads. He is not focusing on the playbook enough as he cannot handle NFL concepts. Red flag.
True then. True now.
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The Fields Cult is like Scientology. The network is vast and wide.
Apparently Hub today said if he had one to choose, he would take Eberlose over Fields.
Even fucking Hub was right
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Darnell Mooney isn’t a sufficient #2 and I bet the Bears will echo that sentiment when they almost certainly let him walk. Unless he signs a very friendly deal.
Hmmmmm
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What is your favorite memory of the Fields Era at the Bear?
Mine is when he stopped following the Bear on social media. What a leader!
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What is your favorite memory of the Fields Era at the Bear?
Mine is when he stopped following the Bear on social media. What a leader!
It was early when he overthrew the 6'4" Claypool in the flat, by a few feet.
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Looks like someone has a lot of extra time on his hands this weekend.
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Looks like someone has a lot of extra time on his hands this weekend.
Justin Fields?! 😂 jk jk
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Justin Fields?! 😂 jk jk
LOL.
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It was early when he overthrew the 6'4" Claypool in the flat, by a few feet.
My second one was when mild-mannered Miles Leonard had had enough and eviscerated Tempo in one of the Bear game threads.
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My second one was when mild-mannered Miles Leonard had had enough and eviscerated Tempo in one of the Bear game threads.
Refresh my memory, what did he say? Justin Fields bad?
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My second one was when mild-mannered Miles Leonard had had enough and eviscerated Tempo in one of the Bear game threads.
Mild-mannered? Hah!
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https://x.com/emmanuelacho/status/1769415427598258368?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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How did Miles own me? Justin Fields bad? Danny Parkins jab?
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Hey Illini basketball is on man…
You a fan of the Illini?!
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Hey Illini basketball is on man…
You a fan of the Illini?!
Are you? You’re posting in the Bears forum, too.
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I’m also watching The Players Championship. Scottie Scheffler making an epic run.
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Are you? You’re posting in the Bears forum, too.
(https://i.postimg.cc/TYcb2n1t/IMG-6888.png) (https://postimg.cc/2VVy2b4W)
Come over to the basketball forum and talk about them then…
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This is kind of funny.
https://x.com/jonathan_a_hand/status/1769458554790973475?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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I agree.
This guy is a Bills fan for the record.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mg9PD7hK/IMG-6892.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/689Wb2rh)
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Hate to break it to you. Eh, who am I kidding, no I am not. Fields is not Lamar Jackson.
If anything, he is Taysom Hill. Would hope that is how the Steeler use him.
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It was the least Poles could do after sabotaging his career.
(https://i.postimg.cc/288f5W8T/IMG-6893.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Hate to break it to you. Eh, who am I kidding, no I am not. Fields is not Lamar Jackson.
If anything, he is Taysom Hill. Would hope that is how the Steeler use him.
Fields has more upside than Lamar.
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Poles should be fired if that is true. That's malpractice
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Fields has more upside than Lamar.
Fields still can't read zone defenses and has poor footwork.
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Fields will supplant Russ by week 8 when the offense inevitably struggles and the lockerroom rallies around Fields.
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Fields will supplant Russ by week 8 when the offense inevitably struggles and the lockerroom rallies around Fields.
Pick your poison there.
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I agree.
This guy is a Bills fan for the record.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mg9PD7hK/IMG-6892.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/689Wb2rh)
Oh Jesus Christ, this is insufferable. Go to a fucking Steelers fan board please. You literally aren’t an Illini fan or Bears fan, so fuck off. So suck Fields off with your delusional ass.
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It was the least Poles could do after sabotaging his career.
(https://i.postimg.cc/288f5W8T/IMG-6893.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
You yourself were all for the tear down and rebuild. So what the fuck was Poles supposed to do?!
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You yourself were all for the tear down and rebuild. So what the fuck was Poles supposed to do?!
Great point, Judge Judy. He was all for The Tank. Tempo cannot have it both ways, but, as we see, he's going to never concede that Fields isn't good.
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https://x.com/nfl_memes/status/1769191348274368933?s=46
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Oh Jesus Christ, this is insufferable. Go to a fucking Steelers fan board please. You literally aren’t an Illini fan or Bears fan, so fuck off. So suck Fields off with your delusional ass.
You are a sensitive cock sucker.
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I like how Jobu doesn’t post for two months then crawls out of the woodwork the moment there’s trolling to be had.
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Thankfully we have people like Judge Judy gatekeeping for Bears and Illini fandom. Your work is invaluable.
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You yourself were all for the tear down and rebuild. So what the fuck was Poles supposed to do?!
Please address this Tempo.
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Trade down and keep building.
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Great point, Judge Judy. He was all for The Tank. Tempo cannot have it both ways, but, as we see, he's going to never concede that Fields isn't good.
I don’t see the conflict here. What kind of strange nitpick do you have going on here?
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If Caleb is Mahomes, great. But chances are, he’s not. I’d rather have Marvin Harrison Jr and a large handful of other high picks to continue to build.
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I don’t see the conflict here. What kind of strange nitpick do you have going on here?
That you were completely wrong is not a nitpick
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If Caleb is Mahomes, great. But chances are, he’s not. I’d rather have Marvin Harrison Jr and a large handful of other high picks to continue to build.
You'd also have kept Fields. Insert Price Is Right Sad Trombone Sound here.
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That you were completely wrong is not a nitpick
About?
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About?
At this point, you can take your pick of issues that you have been wrong about.
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I like how Jobu doesn’t post for two months then crawls out of the woodwork the moment there’s trolling to be had.
Cry, you little bitch.
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At this point, you can take your pick of issues that you have been wrong about.
You pick one.
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Cry, you little bitch.
You’re a weird motherfucker.
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Lol
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https://x.com/daveswerski/status/1769566092442366139?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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I know being “reasonable” isn’t fashionable around here, but this is one million percent true.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QC8b8z4j/IMG-6901.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CB2DJcp2)
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I think both points are valid (no wrong answer). In this situation, I don’t think the handlers/agents would have allowed it.
https://x.com/clayharbs82/status/1769777339984904662?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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I’ve checked in here a few times since the trade and I’ve gotta say, some of Tempo’s best work ever.
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I’ve checked in here a few times since the trade and I’ve gotta say, some of Tempo’s best work ever.
Your approval is everything to me
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I’ve checked in here a few times since the trade and I’ve gotta say, some of Tempo’s best work ever.
I guess Troy Aikman was wrong.
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I guess Troy Aikman was wrong.
About?
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About?
You really don't remember using him as a crudgel to beat on Spark?
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You really don't remember using him as a crudgel to beat on Spark?
What was he “wrong” about? You’re really bad at this.
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You said he was “wrong.” I asked, what about.
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You also accused me of being “wrong” a day or two ago but never specified about what. Even after I asked.
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You also accused me of being “wrong” a day or two ago but never specified about what. Even after I asked.
Yes, I did.
Love the Tempo after the fact fence riding today though!
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If you’d like to specify, I’m here.
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If you’d like to specify, I’m here.
I did at the time. You can find it.
You have basically been absolutely, flat out wrong about everything post-The COVID. The HQ2 BTC Award will now also he named after you.
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Bernstein. Parkins. Score.
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That’s about what that post is. A lot of blabber. No substance.
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That’s about what that post is. A lot of blabber. No substance.
The feeling of a sad Christmas Day lasting longer than expected for some people here.
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Bernstein. Parkins. Score.
Read today where Bernstein already did a 180 Saturday and was mocking the Fields Cult.
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Read today where Bernstein already did a 180 Saturday and was mocking the Fields Cult.
So I heard. I rarely catch their show anymore.
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He called them the Fields Taliban. A term he didn’t create btw. The Caleb Cult on Twitter is even wilder.
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No dude. It makes sense to be excited for the top QB prospect in the draft when you have had mediocre QB play.
It does not make sense to be so butthurt that the mediocre guy that's been there got traded to be someone else's backup.
The Justin Fields thing is legitimately really, REALLY fucking weird. I have never seen anything like it.
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Agreed.
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Wanting to keep a bottom 8 QB in the league over the top QB prospect in the last decade with the #1 pick is really weird.
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No dude. It makes sense to be excited for the top QB prospect in the draft when you have had mediocre QB play.
It does not make sense to be so butthurt that the mediocre guy that's been there got traded to be someone else's backup.
The Justin Fields thing is legitimately really, REALLY fucking weird. I have never seen anything like it.
Those are kewl thoughts, dude. Sure, there’s plenty of reason to be excited about Caleb. I don’t believe I said otherwise.
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You're pretty openly rooting against him because you liked the last guy despite his lack of production.
Like I said, it's really, really weird.
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I guess I see what you are referring to. Yeah, it’s kind of weird when Bears fans have Caleb photoshopped into Bears gear two months before Fields is traded and create Twitter accounts specifically dedicated to Caleb.
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You're pretty openly rooting against him because you liked the last guy despite his lack of production.
Like I said, it's really, really weird.
I was not aware that I was rooting against him. Thanks for telling me my position? Once he becomes a Bear I hope he’s wildly successful.
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So much for the phone working good again. SMH
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Yeah, I can tell man. That's why you spend all your time here mocking people who've wanted to pick him, making photoshops mocking him to use as your profile pictures, posting stats you think make him look bad, screenshotting tweets you think make him look bad and posting them here.
You seem like his biggest fan.
Anyway, I'm off again. I'll be sure to come back and laugh at how much your expectations for QB have evolved next season.
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I thought it was funny that they mounted a “he loves deep dish pizza!” campaign in order to suck up to Chicago. Nothing more. I don’t wish ill on the kid. I rather like him. I just prefer the other guy. If Caleb is a Bear (and it appears he will be) I will rally around him. I want him to be successful. Especially if he’s a Bear. If he sucks; well, throwing it back in your faces will be my consolation prize.
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I don’t remember a lot of “mocking people who want Caleb.” I do remember being mocked for trying to make a case for Justin.
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Yeah, I can tell man. That's why you spend all your time here mocking people who've wanted to pick him, making photoshops mocking him to use as your profile pictures, posting stats you think make him look bad, screenshotting tweets you think make him look bad and posting them here.
You seem like his biggest fan.
Anyway, I'm off again. I'll be sure to come back and laugh at how much your expectations for QB have evolved next season.
I think you should stick around and clear up your misconceptions, first.
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I thought it was funny that they mounted a “he loves deep dish pizza!” campaign in order to suck up to Chicago. Nothing more. I don’t wish ill on the kid. I rather like him. I just prefer the other guy. If Caleb is a Bear (and it appears he will be) I will rally around him. I want him to be successful. Especially if he’s a Bear. If he sucks; well, throwing it back in your faces will be my consolation prize.
The difference is people here will not be adamant that he does not suck and make excuse after excuse for him like you have done for Fields. People will be "He sucks. Time to try again. Next man up."
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If he sucks; well, throwing it back in your faces will be my consolation prize.
Again, this line just shows this is all about you needing to be right.
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The difference is people here will not be adamant that he does not suck and make excuse after excuse for him like you have done for Fields. People will be "He sucks. Time to try again. Next man up."
You’re a very standup guy that way. Congratulations.
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Again, this line just shows this is all about you needing to be right.
He said, without a hint of irony.
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He said, without a hint of irony.
I was right on point on this one. I'm sure I'll be wrong about something in the future.
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I guess Troy Aikman was wrong.
Still waiting to hear what he was wrong about.
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Still waiting to hear what he was wrong about.
You are the one who brought him up in your argument with Spark. You do not remember why you relied upon him? You can do the search of your posts.
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You are the one who brought him up in your argument with Spark. You do not remember why you relied upon him? You can do the search of your posts.
Thank you for admitting you’re just talking out of your ass.
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Thank you for admitting you’re just talking out of your ass.
I remember what you said that Aikman said. I remember how Spark turned it against you. That you do not is hilarious. Then again, you do not remember Miles ripping you a new bunghole either.
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I remember what you said that Aikman said. I remember how Spark turned it against you. That you do not is hilarious. Then again, you do not remember Miles ripping you a new bunghole either.
You’re really flailing here, and it’s pretty amusing. Keep up the good work.
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You’re really flailing here, and it’s pretty amusing. Keep up the good work.
The fact is you cannot remember which dumbass arguments you trotted out to defend Sh1t QB1. You also cannot remember how Spark turned your Aikman reference against you. You also cannot remember how mild-mannered Miles Leonard eviscerated your defense of Fields after another Bear game where Fields stunk.
The COVID really did a number on you. Maybe you should go full metal Momento and tattoo all your bad Fields arguments (redundant) onto your body so you can try and remember them.
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So…what was Aikman “wrong” about?
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So…what was Aikman “wrong” about?
I would have to confer with poster Troy Aikman's Lackey, but it is probably that Troy Aikman's assessment of Fields was better than Spark's....He definitely was wrong about that.
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I would have to confer with poster Troy Aikman's Lackey, but it is probably that Troy Aikman's assessment of Fields was better than Spark's....He definitely was wrong about that.
This is a clue btw, Tempo…
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So he doesn’t remember exactly, but he wanted to score some cheap “gotcha points.”
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So he doesn’t remember exactly, but he wanted to score some cheap “gotcha points.”
No, I am just enjoying that Judge Judy even remembers but you claim not to, despite your creation of "Troy Aikman's Lackey."
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Just say what he was “wrong” about.
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Kind of telling that no one is actually willing to say specifically what he was “wrong,” about.
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Kind of telling that no one is actually willing to say specifically what he was “wrong,” about.
Fields and Mitch.
You went through this all already.
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What did he say that was “wrong?”
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There’s a reason Justin was really popular in the lockerroom. And it wasn’t just because they are friends.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/19/sports/bears-cole-kmet-says-justin-fields-trade-is-really-upsetting/
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So who do you want them to draft at QB, Tempo? Who is your guy?
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Well now that it’s down to college kids only, I think it would be kind of wild to go with someone other than Caleb.
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Well now that it’s down to college kids only, I think it would be kind of wild to go with someone other than Caleb.
Who is your guy?
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Who is your guy?
Justin Fields.
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Justin Fields.
He sucks and it Tomlin's problem now. So who is your guy for Chicago? Because you are a Bear fan right? Or have you become so brainwashed that you already bought a Terrible Towel?
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He sucks and it Tomlin's problem now. So who is your guy for Chicago? Because you are a Bear fan right? Or have you become so brainwashed that you already bought a Terrible Towel?
I think I told you who my choice is.
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I think I told you who my choice is.
LSU Daniels? Ok.
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LSU Daniels? Ok.
I just said I think it would be pretty wild to get rid of Justin and not take Csleb. As they say in golf, that might be getting “too cute.” Maybe I could be talked into trading down though.
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Oh you ABSOLUTELY take Caleb Williams.
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I just said I think it would be pretty wild to get rid of Justin and not take Csleb. As they say in golf, that might be getting “too cute.” Maybe I could be talked into trading down though.
I was asking who you would take.
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https://x.com/clayharbs82/status/1770217103317959095?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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https://x.com/jeremylayt0n/status/1770230143237398779?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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https://x.com/jeremylayt0n/status/1770230143237398779?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Lol
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Lol
It really is funny!
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It really is funny!
And true. Minshew better than Fields.
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I like this answer.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pTyygwRW/IMG-6907.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vgFQnS4k)
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And true. Minshew better than Fields.
And so is Tyson Bagent!
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It’s fucking over. Your side won. Let it go.
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I like this answer.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pTyygwRW/IMG-6907.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vgFQnS4k)
Fields is so good he will be holding a washed up QB's clipboard.
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I like this answer.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pTyygwRW/IMG-6907.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vgFQnS4k)
Are you the "1" like ?
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Are you the "1" like ?
(https://i.postimg.cc/xTzvqFhp/IMG-6890.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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It’s fucking over. Your side won. Let it go.
You’re the one who came in here after the trade making more excuses. Go back through the threads, man!
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JFC
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Poor Justin Fields!
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Poor Justin Fields!
No one here was crying about that today or probably even yesterday.
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https://heavy.com/sports/chicago-bears/justin-fields-trade-reaction-steelers-news/amp/
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I have nothing against Fields as a person or a player. He’s just not good enough as the Bears QB. I’m glad he’s not playing the victim like you are. It quite frankly doesn’t matter whose fault it is that he didn’t succeed.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/hjx1wQtD/IMG-6915.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/steelers_trade_for_justin_fields_is_the_best_offseason_move_in_the_nfl_regardless_of_the_outcome/s1_17101_40136994
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Great teammate and leadership by Fields. Funny Tempo, you don’t question his character…
https://x.com/2kevln/status/1768674813457891757?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
“I have nothing against Fields as a person or player.” - JudgeJudy
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“I have nothing against Fields as a person or player.” - JudgeJudy
I was pointing out your hypocrisy…
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I was pointing out your hypocrisy…
Hahahahahahaha
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Hahahahahahaha
Not sure what’s funny about that. Go read it and you’ll see exactly why I posted that. You literally have no idea what the hell you’ve said on here previously. That’s your defense now against PMan, Spark, me, and others on here.
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Hahahahahahahaha
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“I trashed Justin Fields, but only to call out your hypocrisy!” Golden.
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Not sure what’s funny about that. Go read it and you’ll see exactly why I posted that. You literally have no idea what the hell you’ve said on here previously. That’s your defense now against PMan, Spark, me, and others on here.
(https://i.postimg.cc/XJhZdnMT/IMG-6913.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5YBNMd23)
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Lol I did not search for this. It just showed up in my Google feed.
(https://i.postimg.cc/WbkxgVqg/IMG-6919.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mtTdW0wg)
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I posted earlier that Justin’s contract status was probably a major reason that he wasn’t brought back. Someone shot that down, but this seems to be Poles confirming that was a major factor. Personally, I think the contract could have been offset with a lot of rookie deals (with trade down), but whatever. Most teams aren’t winning Super Bowls on rookie deals.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8zQSTwg8/IMG-6981.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rKJbJ1pg)
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(https://i.ibb.co/CnQ97Sk/Screenshot-20240326-053451-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9qW4TdF)
(https://i.ibb.co/7QFtPb3/Screenshot-20240326-053355-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/G9jQyFZ)
(https://i.ibb.co/vzy4hWY/Screenshot-20240326-053118-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pXVjQTy)
Except that Pace, I mean Poles, waited too long to unload Fields.
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https://steelersnow.com/bears-analyst-thinks-justin-fields-was-set-up-to-fail-in-chicago/
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Lol maybe he can be the next sad Keanu.
https://fansided.com/posts/justin-fields-miserable-reporting-to-steelers-camp-for-first-time
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Great teammate
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Maybe he had a stomach 🐛
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Maybe he had a stomach 🐛
Or had seen the playbook and realized there is no way he is putting in the time to figure it out.
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Probably.
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It’s true. Justin was set up to fail. The structure Caleb will have (good for him) is light-years ahead of what Justin was given. Having said that, Justin was a victim of bad timing as much as anything.
https://x.com/losthebrew_dre/status/1783852149035942124?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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It’s true. Justin was set up to fail. The structure Caleb will have (good for him) is light-years ahead of what Justin was given. Having said that, Justin was a victim of bad timing as much as anything.
https://x.com/losthebrew_dre/status/1783852149035942124?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Bullshit. How much has the O line improved? Not much. Hopefully the line looks better because the new QB is a) decisive and b) knows the playbook, unlike Sh1t QB1.
Fields sucked ass as evident by the fact everyone in the league thinks he is nothing more than a backup QB. Just take the L and admit he fucking sucked ass here.
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LMFAO
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Thank you, I needed that laugh.
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What is comical is you are still pushing this shit that Sh1t QB1 was a victim. He sucked. He could not read defenses. He was hesitant to throw the ball. He made the line look worse than it, statistically, was. Yet he was a victim, despite no one wanting to trade for him to be a starter.
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Fields was not set up to fail.
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Fields was not set up to fail.
Thoughtful, in-depth analysis. I can see why you had to edit it.
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What is comical is you are still pushing this shit that Sh1t QB1 was a victim. He sucked. He could not read defenses. He was hesitant to throw the ball. He made the line look worse than it, statistically, was. Yet he was a victim, despite no one wanting to trade for him to be a starter.
Fields was certainly not perfect. It’s also true that he wasn’t given the proper tools to succeed, and Caleb is in a situation miles and miles better than Fields had. Both can be true.
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Thoughtful, in-depth analysis. I can see why you had to edit it.
Short and to the point since it has been discussed ad nauseum.
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Short and to the point since it has been discussed ad nauseum.
It was an idiotic comment.
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Fields was certainly not perfect. It’s also true that he wasn’t given the proper tools to succeed, and Caleb is in a situation miles and miles better than Fields had. Both can be true.
He took way too long to throw dude. Too indicisive. Couldn't read Zone Defenses. Should have spent more time studying film instead of the Bible and the Bulls.
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It was an idiotic comment.
The only idiotic comments are yours regurgitating the same BS we have heard for 2 years.
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Fields was certainly not perfect.
Thoughtful in-depth analysis. You keep repeating this above. What does it even mean?! Did you think he had to be perfect?! What a dumb fucking statement. You keep repeating it like we expected him to be or he should have been. You just don’t want you use the sentence, “Fields certainly wasn’t a good QB.” It’s ok, you can say it. He wasn’t.
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He took way too long to throw dude. Too indicisive. Couldn't read Zone Defenses. Should have spent more time studying film instead of the Bible and the Bulls.
No shortage of memes in that brief comment. You say he made the line look worse but yet you’re the same guy who once told me you’d replace the entire line if you could. Seems you’re having it both ways (which is a common tactic of yours).
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Thoughtful in-depth analysis. You keep repeating this above. What does it even mean?! Did you think he had to be perfect?! What a dumb fucking statement. You keep repeating it like we expected him to be or he should have been. You just don’t want you use the sentence, “Fields certainly wasn’t a good QB.” It’s ok, you can say it. He wasn’t.
If you were better at reading, you’d know that that I’m saying Fields was set up to fail, i.e. given a nearly impossible situation and not “good” (or bad). There are a lot of very credible people who agree with this assessment. No one with the NFL knowledge that JudgeJudy from HQ2 possesses, but some very fine people nonetheless.
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The only idiotic comments are yours regurgitating the same BS we have heard for 2 years.
While most of what you say on the topic is rehashed idiotic drivel and doublespeak, at least you make an ‘effort’ to present your case.
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There were people speaking at the draft last night saying Fields made the O-line look worse than it was in Chicago! Lol
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I am extremely ready to stop talking about Justin Fields. The Bears are past it.
Obviously it isn’t today, but hopefully it’s soon that we can move on.
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No shortage of memes in that brief comment. You say he made the line look worse but yet you’re the same guy who once told me you’d replace the entire line if you could. Seems you’re having it both ways (which is a common tactic of yours).
You are correct that I was critical of the line and need for more usable linemen. Then I heard the advanced numbers that they were actually average in protect time and the issue was Fields holding onto the ball way too long.
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If you were better at reading, you’d know that that I’m saying Fields was set up to fail, i.e. given a nearly impossible situation and not “good” (or bad). There are a lot of very credible people who agree with this assessment. No one with the NFL knowledge that JudgeJudy from HQ2 possesses, but some very fine people nonetheless.
LOL. Fields was a failure. Fields failed Bears fans.
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No shortage of memes in that brief comment.
Are you seriously going to say he could read zone defenses?
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If they had moved on from Fields and taken a QB last year I’d be more understanding of the “he was set up to fail” notion. But instead they traded the top pick for a top WR in the league and a top-10 OT in the draft and Fields looked .. well, about the same.
They gave Fields the chance to prove himself. He didn’t. It’s time to move on. If Caleb isn’t good, they should also move on from him quickly. If he is, well then they made the obvious right move.
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No shortage of memes in that brief comment.
Are you seriously going to say he did not take too long to throw?
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If they had moved on from Fields and taken a QB last year I’d be more understanding of the “he was set up to fail” notion. But instead they traded the top pick for a top WR in the league and a top-10 OT in the draft and Fields looked .. well, about the same.
They gave Fields the chance to prove himself. He didn’t. It’s time to move on. If Caleb isn’t good, they should also move on from him quickly. If he is, well then they made the obvious right move.
He was actually worse last year than the preceding year.
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There were people speaking at the draft last night saying Fields made the O-line look worse than it was in Chicago! Lol
LOL
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Are you seriously going to say he did not take too long to throw?
I’ve never said that. I said it was an area that needed improvement. Many times.
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They also said Joe Burrow took to long to throw.
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I am extremely ready to stop talking about Justin Fields. The Bears are past it.
Obviously it isn’t today, but hopefully it’s soon that we can move on.
Here’s a solution. Stop opening threads (like this one) and responding about it.
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If they had moved on from Fields and taken a QB last year I’d be more understanding of the “he was set up to fail” notion. But instead they traded the top pick for a top WR in the league and a top-10 OT in the draft and Fields looked .. well, about the same.
They gave Fields the chance to prove himself. He didn’t. It’s time to move on. If Caleb isn’t good, they should also move on from him quickly. If he is, well then they made the obvious right move.
So one good WR and a rookie RT are supposed to vastly improve the least talented offense in the league (ran by a failing soon to be fired coordinator)? Sounds like a legit take.
Look at the Bears last year, and the embarrassment of riches of the Eagles.
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Here’s a solution. Stop opening threads (like this one) and responding about it.
You could also just get over the fact that he wasn’t good enough here and it was time to move on. You could stop making stretchy arguments and ignoring reality in favor of some confirmation bias.
We have a new QB now.
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I’ve never said that. I said it was an area that needed improvement. Many times.
Hey, duh, he wasn’t perfect!! 🥴
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So one good WR and a rookie RT are supposed to vastly improve the least talented offense in the league (ran by a failing soon to be fired coordinator)? Sounds like a legit take.
Look at the Bears last year, and the embarrassment of riches of the Eagles.
I’m pretty sure if they were just setting him up to fail they wouldn’t have spent all last offseason (with a chance to pick the top QB in the draft) spending their assets on improving his supporting cast.
Yes, getting a QB DJ Moore is typically going to be considered a good move to make your QB look better, but it did not.
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You could also just get over the fact that he wasn’t good enough here and it was time to move on. You could stop making stretchy arguments and ignoring reality in favor of some confirmation bias.
We have a new QB now.
Why is it so important to you that I get over it? Fields wasn’t given adequate support here. The only thing he was given was starts. About 14 less than Mitchell Trubisky FTR. As I said, if you could have a honest private conversation with Ryan Poles I bet he’d admit they and the organization failed Fields.
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Fields was not a complete disaster here. If the Panthers win one more game last year, Justin Fields is probably still the quarterback of the Bears.
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Why is it so important to you that I get over it? Fields wasn’t given adequate support here. The only thing he was given was starts. About 14 less than Mitchell Trubisky FTR. As I said, if you could have a honest private conversation with Ryan Poles I bet he’d admit they and the organization failed Fields.
Oh, you "bet" that if you could have an honest, private conversation with Poles he'd totally agree with you?
That shocks me. It's so unlike you to project your own views onto someone else and use that projection as evidence.
He was given starts, and a top WR, and a top-10 OT from the draft when they would've been plenty justified just taking Young or Stroud . There are a lot of QBs who I'm pretty confident would've loved to have had DJ Moore this year.
You brought up Burrow/Chase and Allen/Diggs a bunch of times this year, how much they got better once they had a top WR. If Fields had too, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. But he didn't.
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Fields was not a complete disaster here. If the Panthers win one more game last year, Justin Fields is probably still the quarterback of the Bears.
And the outlook for next season and the couple after it would be considerably less bright than it currently is without him.
Fields was much closer to a disaster in Chicago than he was to being good enough to justify keeping him with the top pick in hand.
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I’m pretty sure if they were just setting him up to fail they wouldn’t have spent all last offseason (with a chance to pick the top QB in the draft) spending their assets on improving his supporting cast.
Yes, getting a QB DJ Moore is typically going to be considered a good move to make your QB look better, but it did not.
It was “improved,” but still not good enough. Guys like Bob Tonyan, Lucas Patrick, and Tyler Scott wouldn’t be on the field with good teams. Are you telling me the offense had the talent to compete with the best teams in the league? The talent on that offense was still bottom 10. And the coordinator was deemed not good enough by the Bears and fired.
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It was “improved,” but still not good enough. Guys like Bob Tonyan, Lucas Patrick, and Tyler Scott wouldn’t be on the field with good teams. Are you telling me the offense had the talent to compete with the best teams in the league? The talent on that offense was still bottom 10. And the coordinator was deemed not good enough by the Bears and fired.
I'm telling you that an offense with a solid line and a top WR is good enough that the QB can be fairly evaluated in it. That a good QB would look like a good QB in the Bears' offense last year.
And that despite the crying about how they never gave Fields a fair shot, they spent last offseason getting him help hoping for the big jump a lot of people expected, and he did not make that jump.
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And the outlook for next season and the couple after it would be considerably less bright than it currently is without him.
Fields was much closer to a disaster in Chicago than he was to being good enough to justify keeping him with the top pick in hand.
I think an offense with a DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Odunze (or maybe Harrison Jr or Nabers), Kmet, Everett, Swift, Herbert, a further developed and improving OL, Justin Fields, and a proven offensive coordinator would have plenty to be excited about.
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The entire narrative with that offense would be, "can Fields finally make the jump?" Because there isn't an indication that he could. If there was, someone would've wanted him to start for them and no one in the league did.
Remember, you were excited about the offense coming into last season with the Moore addition. You expected a big jump out of Fields until it didn't happen, at which point you did a 180 and said "well who could've expected him to be better than this?"
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I'm telling you that an offense with a solid line and a top WR is good enough that the QB can be fairly evaluated in it. That a good QB would look like a good QB in the Bears' offense last year.
And that despite the crying about how they never gave Fields a fair shot, they spent last offseason getting him help hoping for the big jump a lot of people expected, and he did not make that jump.
The line was still not that good. Only one OL graded out as a starter by PFF, Tevin Jenkins. And we saw how disastrous he was against GB in the finale. And you also never ever seem to mention the offensive coordinator the Bears admitted wasn’t good enough.
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The line was still not that good. Only one OL graded out as a starter by PFF, Tevin Jenkins. And we saw how disastrous he was against GB in the finale. And you also never ever seem to mention the offensive coordinator the Bears admitted wasn’t good enough.
The offensive coordinator that was immediately hired by another team while the Bears were still trying to get a 4th round pick for Fields, which they did not.
I didn't think Getsy was good, and mentioned that a lot of times last year. I also don't think he was bad enough that a good QB wouldn't have looked good for the Bears last year. But the QB they had didn't look very good.
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The entire narrative with that offense would be, "can Fields finally make the jump?" Because there isn't an indication that he could. If there was, someone would've wanted him to start for them and no one in the league did.
Remember, you were excited about the offense coming into last season with the Moore addition. You expected a big jump out of Fields until it didn't happen, at which point you did a 180 and said "well who could've expected him to be better than this?"
Not entirely untrue. But I’m sure rookie QBs who haven’t taken a snap yet get much less scrutiny than guys who’ve had starts in the league. I’m sure the expectations for Zack Wilson, Trey Lance, Josh Rosen et al were all sky high at one point.
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The offensive coordinator that was immediately hired by another team while the Bears were still trying to get a 4th round pick for Fields, which they did not.
I didn't think Getsy was good, and mentioned that a lot of times last year. I also don't think he was bad enough that a good QB wouldn't have looked good for the Bears last year. But the QB they had didn't look very good.
John Shoop got a 2nd OC gig in the league. Probably not unironically by the Raiders. Proof he was good at his job.
Marc Trestman oversaw one of the most mocked HCing debacles in league history, and is still getting jobs in the league. Proof, he’s god at his job.
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John Shoop got a 2nd OC gig in the league. Probably not unironically by the Raiders. Proof he was good at his job.
Marc Trestman oversaw one of the most mocked HCing debacles in league history, and is still getting jobs in the league. Proof, he’s god at his job.
I didn't say it was 'proof' he was good at his job - in fact I pretty explicitly said, verbatim, "I didn't think Getsy was good, and mentioned that a lot of times last year" in the very post you quoted - but don't let that stop you from whooping the shit out of your strawman.
The fact is: Getsy was immediately hired to be someone else's OC, and zero NFL teams wanted Justin Fields to be their starting quarterback even for cheap.
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If Kingsbury didn’t leave the Raiders high and dry, Getsy would probably be back to being Rodgers’ ball boy. Devante Adams probably lobbied for Getsy since he’s unhappy with his role in the offense. And since Adams is by far their best offensive player he probably had some sway.
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I didn't say it was 'proof' he was good at his job - in fact I pretty explicitly said, verbatim, "I didn't think Getsy was good, and mentioned that a lot of times last year" in the very post you quoted - but don't let that stop you from whooping the shit out of your strawman.
The fact is: Getsy was immediately hired to be someone else's OC, and zero NFL teams wanted Justin Fields to be their starting quarterback even for cheap.
Hired because they got left at the altar by Kingsbury, and again, I’ll bet Adams had significant input since he’s all they’ve got.
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And the Raiders are a poster child for NFL dysfunction.
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Hired because they got left at the altar by Kingsbury, and again, I’ll bet Adams had significant input since he’s all they’ve got.
He was just the only potential OC left I guess.
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And the Raiders are a poster child for NFL dysfunction.
Not quite like the Bears have been until the last few months. They're finally making the right moves.
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Can’t imagine too many quality candidates wanted the Raiders job since they have no QB. I literally don’t even know who their starter is. Stidham? Lol
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Can’t imagine too many quality candidates wanted the Raiders job since they have no QB. I literally don’t even know who their starter is. Stidham? Lol
Gardner Minshew.
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Stidham is no longer there so there’s that. They have O’Connell who no one seems too excited about and traded for a solid backup.
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Gardner Minshew.
Lol.
I’d feel great about him if I need a guy to get me through 2-3 games. He is not a starting caliber quarterback.
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Lol.
If feel great about him if I need a guy to get me through 2-3 games. He is not a starting caliber quarterback.
They could've had Justin Fields for cheap but chose Minshew.
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Getsy was hired long before Minshew was signed FTR.
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They could've had Justin Fields for cheap but chose Minshew.
I doubt Justin wanted to go there. No one in their right mind was putting Fields and Getsy back together. That marriage didn’t work.
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I doubt Justin wanted to go there. No one in their right mind was putting Fields and Getsy back together. That marriage didn’t work.
Correct. It didn't work. It's pretty clear which party NFL execs thought was more to blame for that, too.
I do think LV was planning on taking a QB last night and got snaked.
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FTR I was tremendously behind the curve on Marc Trestman. He had my support all the way up until his last day IIRC.
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Correct. It didn't work. It's pretty clear which party NFL execs thought was more to blame for that, too.
I do think LV was planning on taking a QB last night and got snaked.
No, I don’t think “that’s clear.”
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No, I don’t think “that’s clear.”
Of course you don’t.
Just ignore what actually happened in favor of some scenario that confirms your bias.
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Just because one dysfunctional team with DeVante Adams decided to hire Getsy after getting stiffed by their first choice doesn’t make things “clear.”
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Just because one dysfunctional team with DeVante Adams decided to hire Getsy after getting stiffed by their first choice doesn’t make things “clear.”
And 30 teams decided not to get Justin Fields as their starter even though he was cheap.
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And 30 teams decided not to get Justin Fields as their starter even though he was cheap.
There were a lot of reasons for that #excuses
And he wasn’t that cheap. He was about to become pretty expensive.
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I heard after the fact multiple other teams were interested in Fields, but Poles mishandled that. There were probably some teams in there he didn’t want to go to, and Poles seemed to respect his wishes.
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And 30 teams decided not to get Justin Fields as their starter even though he was cheap.
Bingo!
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There were a lot of reasons for that #excuses
And he wasn’t that cheap. He was about to become pretty expensive.
A 4th or 5th round pick and a $3m cap hit isn’t particularly expensive for your starting QB this year.
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It was an idiotic comment.
It's true tho.
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I like how there’s no way to know DJs actual feelings even though he made them pretty clear, but we can be certain the behinds the scenes discussions included no teams with interest in Justin Fields (outside of the Steelers).
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I like how there’s no way to know DJs actual feelings even though he made them pretty clear, but we can be certain the behinds the scenes discussions included no teams with interest in Justin Fields (outside of the Steelers).
I didn’t say that.
What we know is that no one traded for him, and that the Bears got a 6th rounder for him to be a likely backup.
In any case, he certainly wasn’t going to expensive for a guy you’d expect to be your starting QB no matter what offers they got.
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A 4th or 5th round pick and a $3m cap hit isn’t particularly expensive for your starting QB this year.
Why would QB needy teams do that when the FA class is better than it typically is and it was a particularly strong draft for QBs. Why bring in a guy for as little as one year? If this had been 2-3 years ago you might have gotten a nice return for Fields. And again, it was reported after the fact that that other teams had interest but Poles chose to send Fields to the team and coach he wanted to play for.
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Minnesota would have been a good fit, but I’d bet Poles was a no on trading him within the division.
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It's true tho.
Strong argument. Supported by plenty of facts. Well done.
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I didn’t say that.
What we know is that no one traded for him, and that the Bears got a 6th rounder for him to be a likely backup.
In any case, he certainly wasn’t going to expensive for a guy you’d expect to be your starting QB no matter what offers they got.
I’d be willing to bet Tomlin expects JF to get some starts for him at some point.
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So one good WR and a rookie RT are supposed to vastly improve the least talented offense in the league (ran by a failing soon to be fired coordinator)? Sounds like a legit take.
Look at the Bears last year, and the embarrassment of riches of the Eagles.
LOL. And yet the OC has a starting job for next year and the Sh1t QB1 does not.
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Fields was not a complete disaster here. If the Panthers win one more game last year, Justin Fields is probably still the quarterback of the Bears.
No, he isn't.
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I think an offense with a DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Odunze (or maybe Harrison Jr or Nabers), Kmet, Everett, Swift, Herbert, a further developed and improving OL, Justin Fields, and a proven offensive coordinator would have plenty to be excited about.
No, it would not have. Guy does not want to be coached.
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And the Raiders are a poster child for NFL dysfunction.
They had 2 coaches fired for mysterious reasons during the season too?
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No, I don’t think “that’s clear.”
LOL
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I heard after the fact multiple other teams were interested in Fields, but Poles mishandled that. There were probably some teams in there he didn’t want to go to, and Poles seemed to respect his wishes.
LOL. Bull. Shit. We would have heard who these unicorns were by now. There was zero market for a mentally weak QB like Fields.
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I think an offense with a DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Odunze (or maybe Harrison Jr or Nabers), Kmet, Everett, Swift, Herbert, a further developed and improving OL, Justin Fields, and a proven offensive coordinator would have plenty to be excited about.
The dumbasses set Fields up to fail instead.
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LOL. And yet the OC has a starting job for next year and the Sh1t QB1 does not.
Fell into a spot with a dysfunctional franchise with no quarterback after Kingsbury backed out on them. No quality coordinator was taking that job. And I’d bet money DeVante Adams (their only star offensive player) played a role in getting him that job. Adams was very unhappy about his lack of involvement in the offense, and his former coach will make sure DeVante gets the ball.
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The dumbasses set Fields up to fail instead.
The way you so eloquently use in-depth analusis to make your points is breathtaking. You’re an artist.
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LOL. Bull. Shit. We would have heard who these unicorns were by now. There was zero market for a mentally weak QB like Fields.
You’ve said multiple times yourself Poles fucked up the Fields trade. It’s easy to be right when you take every position, I’ll bet. “Fields made the line look bad/worse! Also, I’d replace the entire line!”
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The way you so eloquently use in-depth analusis to make your points is breathtaking. You’re an artist.
Thanks, but don't kid yourself. It's not in-depth analysis.
Organizations don't set their starting QB up to fail. Lol
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You’ve said multiple times yourself Poles fucked up the Fields trade. It’s easy to be right when you take every position, I’ll bet. “Fields made the line look bad/worse! Also, I’d replace the entire line!”
By announcing his intentions publicly at the combine and by overvaluing Fields' worth.
The line, statistically, turned out to be better than thought. The criticism of the line, for the most part, was caused by Sh1t QB1 holding onto the ball far too long and could not read zone defenses. They did need a new center and a guard who shows up for work.
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Thanks, but don't kid yourself. It's not in-depth analysis.
Organizations don't set their starting QB up to fail. Lol
LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO
On purpose? Of course not.
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You are right about one thing though, what you give isn’t in-depth or thoughtful analysis.
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By announcing his intentions publicly at the combine and by overvaluing Fields' worth.
The line, statistically, turned out to be better than thought. The criticism of the line, for the most part, was caused by Sh1t QB1 holding onto the ball far too long and could not read zone defenses. They did need a new center and a guard who shows up for work.
Again, only one guy earned a PFF grade over 70 (starter rating). It was the guy who’s missed half his starts in 3 years and looked like a turnstile in GB last year.
You literally told me you’d replace all of them if it was up to you.
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Lucas Patrick was almost certainly the worst Center in the league. The Tackles are young and improving, but have a ways to go before they sniff a pro bowl. Your best lineman plays the least valuable spot, LG and is hurt a lot. Nate Davis will be a bust if he’s not significantly improved this season.
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Again, only one guy earned a PFF grade over 70 (starter rating). It was the guy who’s missed half his starts in 3 years and looked like a turnstile in GB last year.
You literally told me you’d replace all of them if it was up to you.
Statistically speaking, we learned Fields had an average amount of time to throw. That he could not pull the trigger is on his sorry ass. He made everyone around him, including the line and Getsy, look worse. Glad that piece of whiny sh1t is gone. He stole money for 3 years.
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Lucas Patrick was almost certainly the worst Center in the league. The Tackles are young and improving, but have a ways to go before they sniff a pro bowl. Your best lineman plays the least valuable spot, LG and is hurt a lot. Nate Davis will be a bust if he’s not significantly improved this season.
Even with all that, Fields had adequate time to throw, on average, and yet refused to throw the ball on time. Which is why he's gone and no one wanted him to be their starter.
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LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO
On purpose? Of course not.
The Bears set their starting QB up to fail. But they didn't do it "on purpose".
If Fields was still with the organization that set him up to fail, they "would have plenty to be excited about."
😂😂
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Even with all that, Fields had adequate time to throw, on average, and yet refused to throw the ball on time. Which is why he's gone and no one wanted him to be their starter.
The Bears receivers were also collectively not good in separation metrics FTR. That’s not to say Fields didn’t hold the ball to long. He often does.
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The Bears set their starting QB up to fail. But they didn't do it "on purpose".
If Fields was still with the organization that set him up to fail, they "would have plenty to be excited about."
😂😂
Are you perpetually drunk?
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The Bears set their starting QB up to fail. But they didn't do it "on purpose".
If Fields was still with the organization that set him up to fail, they "would have plenty to be excited about."
😂😂
In the past two months they’ve massively upgraded the coaching, the WRs, the RBs, and have added line improvements. And of course, quarterback (in before PAMan and Mn)!
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The Bears receivers were also collectively not good in separation metrics FTR. That’s not to say Fields didn’t hold the ball to long. He often does.
Oh, and they also couldn’t fucking catch. If Scott, Tonyan, and Mooney catch 2 of 3 balls that professionals catch 97% of the time, the Bears would have been playing for a playoff spot week 17.
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In the past two months they’ve massively upgraded the coaching, the WRs, the RBs, and have added line improvements. And of course, quarterback (in before PAMan and Mn)!
And if they hadn't set up their starting QB to fail he'd still be around to reap those benefits. And they could have used that #1 pick for even more upgrades.
But alas, they set Fields up to fail instead. But not on purpose.
😂😂
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Are you perpetually drunk?
I think you said both of those things. Lol
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And if they hadn't set up their starting QB to fail he'd still be around to reap those benefits. And they could have used that #1 pick for even more upgrades.
But alas, they set Fields up to fail instead. But not on purpose.
😂😂
Way too early in the day to be this drunk.
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Way too early in the day to be this drunk.
You should have said earlier that you were drinking heavily. I wouldn't have tried to remind you about your babblings.
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Are you perpetually drunk?
Robb has stolen Tempo's access info?
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And if they hadn't set up their starting QB to fail he'd still be around to reap those benefits. And they could have used that #1 pick for even more upgrades.
But alas, they set Fields up to fail instead. But not on purpose.
😂😂
Great points, Mn
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The Bears receivers were also collectively not good in separation metrics FTR. That’s not to say Fields didn’t hold the ball to long. He often does.
We know they all had to be college open before he would throw the ball. He could not handle guys being only NFL open.
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Great points, Mn
Give credit where credit is due. Tempo made the points.
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Give credit where credit is due. Tempo made the points.
I can't do that so I complimented you instead.
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I can't do that so I complimented you instead.
Well, thanks. I guess. Lol
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https://sports.yahoo.com/mike-tomlin-says-russell-wilson-has-lead-for-qb-spot-but-justin-fields-will-compete-215302689.html
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https://sports.yahoo.com/mike-tomlin-says-russell-wilson-has-lead-for-qb-spot-but-justin-fields-will-compete-215302689.html
Hopefully Fields gets his act together given how reality has slapped him across the head.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/4drLzcrD/IMG-7314.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MMmmwnZ5)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/4drLzcrD/IMG-7314.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MMmmwnZ5)
“And most predictable post of the day comes from…the most predictable candidate.”
Did I do that right?!
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Looks like it.
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Ahhh shit, 😂
https://x.com/hgrahamnfl/status/1785357652521873877?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Ahhh shit, 😂
https://x.com/hgrahamnfl/status/1785357652521873877?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
LOL. That's hilarious. Looks like everyone but Tempo was AOTC on this one. Spark would get a good chuckle out of this one.
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DJ Moore has single handedly DESTROYED Tempo’s narrative today with this clip…
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DJ Moore has single handedly DESTROYED Tempo’s narrative today with this clip…
DEVISTATING
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😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
LOL
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Read the 3-5 cult member comments.
'DJ Moore didn't say what he said.'
Lol
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Read the 3-5 cult member comments.
'DJ Moore didn't say what he said.'
Lol
I saw that. Was hoping one was from Wayne, then I would’ve had to tag Hoge…
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DJ Moore has single handedly DESTROYED Tempo’s narrative today with this clip…
DESTROYED. DEVASTATING.
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DEVISTATING
DEVASTATING even.
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I saw it earlier. Knew there was a 98% chance JJ or PAMan would find it and post it here.
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I saw it earlier. Knew there was a 98% chance JJ or PAMan would find it and post it here.
We knew damn well you weren’t gonna post it here…
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I saw it earlier. Knew there was a 98% chance JJ or PAMan would find it and post it here.
I'm not even on The Twotter.
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DEVASTATING even.
That too.
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I saw that. Was hoping one was from Wayne, then I would’ve had to tag Hoge…
You're sure one wasn't from Wayne ?
Lol
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You're sure one wasn't from Wayne ?
Lol
Lol, wut?!
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Lol, wut?!
He's been known to use a mult or 2 in the past.
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He's been known to use a mult or 2 in the past.
No no no, that was his comment on it…
LOL
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We knew damn well you weren’t gonna post it here…
Why, I was sure you would.
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He's been known to use a mult or 2 in the past.
Only here.
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I'm not even on The Twotter.
You still tend to find shit.
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It just gets worse for the Fields Fans.... Turns out Williams had been learning the new offense over a month ago..
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/so-it-turns-out-that-caleb-williams-shane-waldron-rumor-was-true/
Suck it, Tempo!
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The correct order of the last 2 sentences should be ......
".... it shouldn't be a surprise if Williams has early success."
"It is never wise to assume things will go well .."
Erik Lambert must not spend time here.
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😂 definitely not a QB, or a RB or WB, he’s a fucking kick returner! 😂
https://x.com/nflrums/status/1786059164730446105?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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😂 definitely not a QB, or a RB or WB, he’s a fucking kick returner! 😂
https://x.com/nflrums/status/1786059164730446105?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
He's the new "Slash": "PR/KR"
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He's the new "Slash": "PR/KR"
It’s awful risky putting your QB of the future in harms way at the riskiest position in sports. 🤔 😂 this is fucking gold!
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It just gets worse for the Fields Fans.... Turns out Williams had been learning the new offense over a month ago..
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/so-it-turns-out-that-caleb-williams-shane-waldron-rumor-was-true/
Suck it, Tempo!
What’s that got to do with Fields fans?
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😂 definitely not a QB, or a RB or WB, he’s a fucking kick returner! 😂
https://x.com/nflrums/status/1786059164730446105?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
I have concerns.
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What’s that got to do with Fields fans?
Williams putting in the time in the offseason to learn the offense whereas your hero was not.
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Williams putting in the time in the offseason to learn the offense whereas your hero was not.
LMAO
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LMAO
The joke has, unfortunately, been on Bear fans the past 3 years. Thankfully there is a new sheriff in town now, regardless of the shade of nail polish he wears!
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Always, always, always trust content from ThePAMan...
https://www.chicitysports.com/justin-fields-difficult-chicago-bears-news
REPORT: Justin Fields was a difficult teammate in the Chicago Bears locker room
One source plugged into the Bears locker room says the widely held narrative that Fields was a strong leader is inflated, citing the quarterback as “a surface level dude” who didn’t develop authentic relationships with teammates. He called reports that teammates love Fields “bulls—,” adding that the quarterback carried himself with an undeserved aura and lacks emotional intelligence for someone who’s been a quarterback so long.
Another source said Fields lacked a “presence” in the building.
Per Dunne, Fields disrespected Foles when the MVP of Super Bowl 52 tried to help him out in the quarterback room:
Fields ‘cockiness came out last season when he said during a press conference, “I’m going to go out there and be me.” He followed that statement by going 11-22 passing for 99 yards, one touchdown, and one interception in a 41-10 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.
Fields might have thought he was helping his case by undermining offensive coordinator Luke Getsy. However, Dunne cited an NFL quarterbacks coach who thought the statement was an admission that Fields could not read a defense
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That’ll leave a mark
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I can’t wait to hear Tempo’s defense…
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Who is Jordan Sigler? I like how anything I post is immediately questioned no matter the source, yet anything PAMan posts is totally trustworthy.
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Let me guess, these sources went unnamed.
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Who is Jordan Sigler? I like how anything I post is immediately questioned no matter the source, yet anything PAMan posts is totally trustworthy.
He's the guy aggregating info from reporting done by another guy.
Face it, Fields was toxic just as I said he was. And he didn't want to be coached, just like I said. This was all low hanging fruit for those willing to pay attention to the details as they occurred.
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“The guy aggregating info from another guy.” Sounds legit. Lol. That would really sway ThePAMan if I made that case.
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“The guy aggregating info from another guy.” Sounds legit. Lol. That would really sway ThePAMan if I made that case.
Guy aggregated from a guy who did the reporting (and the original story appears to be subscription only). Sorry you got sucked in by Fields. You weren't the only one who was blind to his being a lazy fake. Plenty of your Twotter buddies were blind too.
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Lol
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Lol
We can all laugh now that he is the Steeler's problem and not the Bear's. Thankfully.
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It will be very telling what Fields does with the rest of his career…
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https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/college-coach-insists-caleb-williams-has-crucial-trait-justin-fields-lacked/
Coach says Williams can process defenses quickly! Must have spent his time watching video when painting his nails instead of Bible reading!
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https://twitter.com/BillTZimmerman/status/1758178833335787797
Josh Lucas apparently confirmed Fields was a POS in the QB room in February! Wonder why Tempo never alerted us to this? Hmmmm...
Disregard ThePAMan's content at your own risk!
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I believe that was talked about here.
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I specifically remember talking about Lucas and how interesting his comments were, and how it gave us a lot of insight into that regime.
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It’s just keep getting worse…
https://x.com/nfl_dovkleiman/status/1790142497022222425?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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The 'he looks at the whole field and doesn't see anything'. Lol
It didn't work out.
He needed a change of scenery.
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dude got pummeled so many times he was probably seeing ghosts out there
have fun in Pittsburgh buddy
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It’s just keep getting worse…
https://x.com/nfl_dovkleiman/status/1790142497022222425?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Lol I think that was posted 2-3 days ago.
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Always, always, always trust content from ThePAMan...
https://www.chicitysports.com/justin-fields-difficult-chicago-bears-news
REPORT: Justin Fields was a difficult teammate in the Chicago Bears locker room
Not that it matters a lot, but PAMan’s unassailable source on this has 100 less Twitter followers than I do.
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It’s just keep getting worse…
https://x.com/nfl_dovkleiman/status/1790142497022222425?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Have to love the comments blaming the coaching when Sh1t QB1 specifically said he didn't want to be coached and was a jag to the other QBs in the room.
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Not that it matters a lot, but PAMan’s unassailable source on this has 100 less Twitter followers than I do.
LOL... When you can't blame the message, blame the messenger.
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Not that it matters a lot, but PAMan’s unassailable source on this has 100 less Twitter followers than I do.
And again, that guy was repeating another person's reporting that was behind a pay wall.
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The 'he looks at the whole field and doesn't see anything'. Lol
It didn't work out.
He needed a change of scenery.
MN, remember when Fields thought he was so good that he said he didn't need any coaching? Then he had to backtrack and all The Twotter Morons thought he wasn't the problem?
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MN, remember when Fields thought he was so good that he said he didn't need any coaching? Then he had to backtrack and all The Twotter Morons thought he wasn't the problem?
I read a lot of the comments too. That's what coaches are for, the coaches are supposed to fix things like that .......
There are things that are fixable. 20/20 vision and walking around blind isn't usually one of them.
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LOL... When you can't blame the message, blame the messenger.
That’s totally your MO.
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That’s totally your MO.
I don't think so.
https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2024/5/14/24156142/chicago-bears-caleb-williams-shows-maturity-and-moxie-at-minicamp-rome-odunze-matt-eberflus
Williams has "moxie" per this report. Will you attack me for this report?
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If I had a dollar for every time you’ve used the discredit the messenger tactic, I could take you, me, and Spark out to dinner.
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I’m going to give it some time before I make any grand conclusions about Caleb Williams. There is plenty to be optimistic about, though.
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If I had a dollar for every time you’ve used the discredit the messenger tactic, I could take you, me, and Spark out to dinner.
Maybe it had more to do with the content. Many of us turned out to be right on Sh1t QB1. Hopefully Williams works harder and is smarter than Sh1t QB1.
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https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/justin-fields-reportedly-had-toxic-relationship-with-veteran-bears-qbs
Fox Sports cannot be trusted either.
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They are just regurgitating what the guy with less Twitter followers than me reported. And you were always incredibly random about what can and cannot be trusted (depends on how it jibes with ThePAMan’s narrative).
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They are just regurgitating what the guy with less Twitter followers than me reported. And you were always incredibly random about what can and cannot be trusted (depends on how it jibes with ThePAMan’s narrative).
They all seem to think that the fella is connected in the league. He may be far more connected than people with more bots following them on The Twotter.
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Steelers bloggers cannot be trusted....
https://steelersnow.com/justin-fields-bears-qb-room-in-2021-was-toxic/
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LMAO it’s literally the same story being regurgitated.
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LMAO it’s literally the same story being regurgitated.
Are these sources reputable enough for you? Do they have enough Twotter Follows?
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They are literally just regurgitating one story.
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It’s not me that’s overly concerned about the credibility of the reporter or commentator. . I’m doing it because it’s what you do literally every time I post something you disagree with.
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They are literally just regurgitating one story.
Aren't they regurgitating a story from someone they think did some actual reporting?
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It’s not me that’s overly concerned about the credibility of the reporter or commentator. . I’m doing it because it’s what you do literally every time I post something you disagree with.
Because most of the crap you posted was from people like us who just sit around and opine OR have a vested interest in spinning so they can be on WScore with your guys Bernstein and Parkins.
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Lol
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Lol
I'll take that as a "Yes. I agree."
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I’m sure you will.
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I’m sure you will.
I do not see any reason not to with the lack of a substantive response.
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It’s not me that’s overly concerned about the credibility of the reporter or commentator. . I’m doing it because it’s what you do literally every time I post something you disagree with.
This is a joke, right?
You literally argued about “credibility” and mocked me for disagreeing with people like Aikman, O’Sullivan, etc ALL YEAR because they were “credible” - “buT iM sURe SpArK ManDrIlL kNoWs BetTeR!!1!”
Judging someone’s credibility based on whether they agreed with you was like 85% of your schtick this season. You mocked me for thinking a Bears beat writer who disagreed with you likely had better insight into the Bears than a national guy who agreed with you.
Literally the only determining factor you used all season for someone’s credibility was whether they agreed with you about Justin Fields.
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Re: the article, chances it’s just made up are small and obviously this isn’t the first time there’s been chatter about Fields not being a particularly good mentee that first year, but I certainly question the timing of that particular reporting.
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This is a joke, right?
You literally argued about “credibility” and mocked me for disagreeing with people like Aikman, O’Sullivan, etc ALL YEAR because they were “credible” - “buT iM sURe SpArK ManDrIlL kNoWs BetTeR!!1!”
Judging someone’s credibility based on whether they agreed with you was like 85% of your schtick this season. You mocked me for thinking a Bears beat writer who disagreed with you likely had better insight into the Bears than a national guy who agreed with you.
Literally the only determining factor you used all season for someone’s credibility was whether they agreed with you about Justin Fields.
Wut. I’m not the one constantly shutting down someone’s “credibility.” That’s PAMan’s bit (and sometimes yours), and I’m making fun of him for it here. I don’t recall shooting down anyone’s “credibility” because they disagreed with me. Yet you constantly shot down the credibility of people like Aikman, O’Sullivan. I don’t know what they eff your point is here.
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Again, you seem to be under the impression I present the opinions of others because “they agree with me, and are unassailable.” No….that isn’t it at all, I presented those opinions to show that Justin Fields opinions weren’t unanimous. Because you would constantly ridicule anyone who disagrees with you. I told you many times your opinions were largely valid. I don't think you ever once returned that sentiment.
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This is a joke, right?
You literally argued about “credibility” and mocked me for disagreeing with people like Aikman, O’Sullivan, etc ALL YEAR because they were “credible” - “buT iM sURe SpArK ManDrIlL kNoWs BetTeR!!1!”
Judging someone’s credibility based on whether they agreed with you was like 85% of your schtick this season. You mocked me for thinking a Bears beat writer who disagreed with you likely had better insight into the Bears than a national guy who agreed with you.
Literally the only determining factor you used all season for someone’s credibility was whether they agreed with you about Justin Fields.
I didn’t mock you for “disagreeing with Troy Aikman.” I mocked you for the way you dismiss any opinion that isn’t in agreement with yours.
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https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/member-of-the-bears-disputes-the-narrative-justin-fields-was-a-leader/
Dude has a lot of NFL connections per this reporter! But how many Twotter followers does he have?
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Well if “this reporter” is reporting it, it HAS to be true!
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Well if “this reporter” is reporting it, it HAS to be true!
Everyone aggregating it says the original reporter has NFL connections.
If Dickie Dunn wrote it, it must be true.
https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/972057fc-2c41-428f-a7e9-cffded2b8177#-eO8MeLl.copy
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I didn’t mock you for “disagreeing with Troy Aikman.” I mocked you for the way you dismiss any opinion that isn’t in agreement with yours.
That’s what you pretended to have said later, for sure. At the time the sort of thing you said over and over was “durr but I’m sure spark mandrill from the hq2 board knows better”.
I CERTAINLY was not the one trying to pull rank on the credibility of every Twitter account or podcast host who agreed with me. That isn’t really my style, but it very much is yours
You did it ALL year - completely disregarded any opinion other than the “credible” ones that all happened to agree with you. Even guys who had the means to know more about the Bears’ FO thinking were deemed less credible than guys who didn’t if they didn’t agree with you. You mocked me for weeks for saying a Bears beat guy probably has more insight into the FO thinking than a random national guy. And the Bears guy, of course, was right.
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That’s what you pretended to have said later, for sure. At the time the sort of thing you said over and over was “durr but I’m sure spark mandrill from the hq2 board knows better”.
I CERTAINLY was not the one trying to pull rank on the credibility of every Twitter account or podcast host who agreed with me. That isn’t really my style, but it very much is yours
You did it ALL year - completely disregarded any opinion other than the “credible” ones that all happened to agree with you. Even guys who had the means to know more about the Bears’ FO thinking were deemed less credible than guys who didn’t if they didn’t agree with you. You mocked me for weeks for saying a Bears beat guy probably has more insight into the FO thinking than a random national guy. And the Bears guy, of course, was right.
Fucking laughable. I said a million times the case to move on was a reasonable one, I just didn’t agree with it. And I never said Aikman or anyone else’s opinion was infallible, but you sure had no problem dismissing them as idiotic. You’ve lost all objectivity, which used to be your strong suit as a poster.
How can i “disregard every opinion that doesn’t agree with me” if I’m on record over and over as saying the case to move on from Fields has merit???? I don’t know what the fuck has gotten into you.
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My point wasn’t that Spark from
HQ2 is an idiot, while Troy Aikman is infalliable. If that’s what you got out of our conversations maybe you should try reading more carefully.
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It’s the complete hubris with which you rejected every opinion that didn’t jibe with yours that I was mocking.
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Again, I must have said two dozen times or more that I “understood” the argument for moving on, I just didn’t think I agreed with the conclusion. That’s it. I said that over and over and over.
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And I think it’s hilarious that I’d be called out for sharing likeminded opinions, as if I’d make my case using the opinions of those who disagree with me. But then, “no one” is a credible football mind according to Spark, with the possible exception of Bill Belichick, who now looks pretty suspect.
I never ever once tried to present anyone’s opinion as infallible. I just tried to show that the conclusions on Fields weren’t unanimous, as Spark obviously felt they should be.
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https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/former-bears-coach-says-andy-dalton-injury-ruined-justin-fields-career/
All Dalton's fault Fields sucked.
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It does kind of feel like he’s starting to edge in that direction, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he will not do that if that situation arises.
For all our arguing, I suspect Tempo will be “in” on Caleb Williams if they draft him.
Times they are a changin’!
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See how you’re doing what you always accuse me of doing? Saying that you “can’t evaluate” anyone because of Getsy? I never said that, and you’re making me defend it.
There are plenty of things we can evaluate Justin on. A couple of obvious ones are he still holds the ball too long and the fumbles. Both very fair criticisms and not anything we can hang on Getsy.
I never once said “we can’t evaluate Fields because of Getsy.” I just said Getsy doesnt look to be very good at his job. You’re making me defend something I didn’t say.
Here’s me “blaming everyone but Fields” for a couple of his major flaws.
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I always get a kick out of people who derive so much from a practice clip, but I thought I’d share just to annoy you guys! 🤣
https://x.com/trolledbyfields/status/1793007797958779325?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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https://steelersdepot.com/2024/05/bears-writer-attends-steelers-practice-says-pittsburgh-has-better-plan-for-justin-fields-than-chicago/
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https://steelersdepot.com/2024/05/bears-writer-attends-steelers-practice-says-pittsburgh-has-better-plan-for-justin-fields-than-chicago/
LOL.
Love the avatar. Send that fucker to jail! He'll find God there!
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Fields listed at #5 on best situations to come into for top-12 QB picks by ESPN 😂
(https://i.ibb.co/xqQQfXM/IMG-3713.png) (https://ibb.co/gZCCPmD)
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Lol
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Yes, Jimmy Graham sure was a difference maker when he was with the Bears.
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Allen Robinson fell off the face of the earth never to heard from again that year.
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Damiere Byrd and Marquise Goodman are practice squad guys, and were #5 receivers in their primes. The line sucked. What are we doing here?
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What are we doing here?
Moving on from another shitty Bear QB.
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I was kind of surprised to see them talking on ESPN today about the Steelers using Fields in Goal Line situations.
His best attribute is to make guys miss in the open field, they should use him in a way that'll maximize that. Also I think his tendency to fumble is one of the biggest knocks on him as a runner, and they'll kill you in a GL situation.
I think there's a time and place where Fields should get some snaps, I'm definitely not saying he should never play (in fact the opposite - they need to find a way to get him snaps to see what they have) but IMO Fields was way better in space than in a GL situation.
Like I think Fields is great as a runner, but he's not a Cam Newton style dude who's going to truck you. He's going to juke you out of your shoes.
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Are they going to make him into Slash 2.0?
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https://x.com/leveonbell/status/1803488054977634747?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Most of us, those with eyeballs, know he sucks ass.
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https://x.com/leveonbell/status/1803488054977634747?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
It’s really weird that a guy who says he “likes Justin Fields” continues to go out of his way here to make him (or more likely ME) look bad. I’d say wait until the season to judge what we see. BTW here’s the “Route God” with a different take.
(https://i.postimg.cc/k5HV1FJZ/IMG-7902.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QBpxV7Wk)
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😂 holy shit you can’t make this stuff up…
https://x.com/dave_bfr/status/1803808999139111309?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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😂 holy shit you can’t make this stuff up…
https://x.com/dave_bfr/status/1803808999139111309?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Why not? Madden did.
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*He didn’t win enough games*
https://steelersdepot.com/2024/06/former-bears-teammate-says-tanking-doomed-justin-fields-chicago-bears-playing-to-lose/
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A tremendously overlooked aspect of quality play. A far more cerebral approach to the game.
https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1803867217043558873?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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*He didn’t win enough games*
https://steelersdepot.com/2024/06/former-bears-teammate-says-tanking-doomed-justin-fields-chicago-bears-playing-to-lose/
Good to know what the journeyman CB thinks.
Meanwhile, Le'Veon Bell is unimpressed....
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10125424-leveon-bell-shades-steelers-justin-fields-after-video-of-qb-throwing-with-trainer
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I think it’s fair to say we know who Hawk Tuah is now… 😂 🤣
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Good to know what the journeyman CB thinks.
Meanwhile, Le'Veon Bell is unimpressed....
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10125424-leveon-bell-shades-steelers-justin-fields-after-video-of-qb-throwing-with-trainer
QB1 was not lateeeeee with his passes.
He was busy going thru his progressions, which can take a lot of time.
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(https://i.ibb.co/L91j1dx/IMG-6020.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BTBWB2y)
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Good to know what the journeyman CB thinks.
Meanwhile, Le'Veon Bell is unimpressed....
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10125424-leveon-bell-shades-steelers-justin-fields-after-video-of-qb-throwing-with-trainer
He was trying to lead that poor soul into the path of an incoming vehicle
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Yikes…
https://x.com/fball_insights/status/1805054457517838452?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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https://x.com/jbaileynfl/status/1816873923121983741?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Fields getting the first team reps in Latrobe due to Russ’ calf (those injuries can linger). I’ve seen at least 5-6 great throws from him on Twitter and he’s apparently looked great first two days of camp.
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LOL. Hilarious.
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JFC really fits into that wingback chart posted above
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Fields getting the first team reps in Latrobe due to Russ’ calf (those injuries can linger). I’ve seen at least 5-6 great throws from him on Twitter and he’s apparently looked great first two days of camp.
did you put in an order for a terrible towel on the amazon yet?
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I’m good.
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We are going to do this since Tempo is hell bent in thinking he was right....
https://www.chicitysports.com/justin-fields-george-pickens-frustration-pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-news
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Never pretended Fields was gonna be perfect. Meanwhile,
(https://i.postimg.cc/Rhb2NM1b/IMG-8228.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5QLsrWRw)
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Pickens may be the biggest diva with the worst attitude in the league.
(https://i.postimg.cc/9FH7ns6y/IMG-8229.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K4QjKpvY)
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I’d consider taking “frustration” from George Pickens with a grain of salt.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MKzyGh9q/IMG-8230.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3btfbKG)
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https://youtu.be/dO_8gEczdzg?si=pEoSzfa2IcQTR9r9
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https://youtu.be/GEopt7hHB5g?si=jOxFPvkfYWZmqffk
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Two months ago Russ was the undisputed starter.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZqfJ94Ct/IMG-8233.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Nyr3Sh6p)
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Two months ago Russ was the undisputed starter.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZqfJ94Ct/IMG-8233.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Nyr3Sh6p)
They are going to suck on offense either way, but they will suck far worse with that whiny bitch running the offense.
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https://triblive.com/sports/madden-monday-george-pickens-knows-he-is-all-the-steelers-have-at-wr-and-it-aint-good-that-he-knows-that/
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https://x.com/trolledbyfields/status/1818688164430516712?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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We talkin’ bout practice, but eye raising if true.
https://x.com/trolledbyfields/status/1818694605983961452?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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We talkin’ bout practice, but eye raising if true.
https://x.com/trolledbyfields/status/1818694605983961452?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
he's also a veteran instead of a rookie, which would make a pretty big difference one would think
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he's also a veteran instead of a rookie, which would make a pretty big difference one would think
Two things, the difference is stark. I was told he’s an immediate upgrade.
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But yeah, I’m not up in arms about Caleb. I expect some ups and downs.
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And I did acknowledge that it’s “just practice.” I’ll wait for real games to come to any conclusions.
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But yeah, I’m not up in arms about Caleb. I expect some ups and downs.
Liar
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And I did acknowledge that it’s “just practice.” I’ll wait for real games to come to any conclusions.
No, you won't.
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Liar
When I have at all ranted about what Caleb has done in camp?
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No, you won't.
Now you’re just being an argumentative pissant.
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We talkin’ bout practice, but eye raising if true.
https://x.com/trolledbyfields/status/1818694605983961452?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
My 72 year old mother could have ran that in for a touchdown. Jesus Christ. The cult lives.
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First ballot training camp Hall of Famer
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My 72 year old mother could have ran that in for a touchdown. Jesus Christ. The cult lives.
There were 5 others? Along with 17 passing touchdowns?
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When I have at all ranted about what Caleb has done in camp?
We are all prepared for what's forthcoming in September and beyond.
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No, you won't.
So I won’t wait for real games, or we’ll see in September? Pick a lane.
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You’re projecting.
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You’re projecting.
I'm not projecting. You are The Projector! (New alt for you!)
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😂
https://x.com/nfcnorthnewss/status/1818726121883812074?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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I'm not projecting. You are The Projector! (New alt for you!)
You gotta pick a lane, dude. I’m either up in arms about him now, or will be in September. Pretty sure you’re gonna be disappointed with the game threads on my end.
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😂
https://x.com/nfcnorthnewss/status/1818726121883812074?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
You know that’s not what happened right?
Someone put a hit on Fields and his line went to his defense.
https://x.com/jhartman_pit/status/1818705437308362843?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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You know that’s not what happened right?
Someone put a hit on Fields and his line went to his defense.
https://x.com/jhartman_pit/status/1818705437308362843?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Yes, I know. I’m just trolling.
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He's already as derisive in the Steeler lockeroom as he was in the Bear
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“DJ Moore gonna demand a trade if they trade or get rid of Fields!!!” 😂
https://x.com/maxmarkhamnfl/status/1818773670153928881?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/allsteelers-plus/pittsburgh-steelers-camp-takeaways-justin-fields-darnell-washington-show
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He's already as derisive in the Steeler lockeroom as he was in the Bear
Keep pulling stuff out of your ass, maybe you’ll come up with something that doesn’t smell.
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“DJ Moore gonna demand a trade if they trade or get rid of Fields!!!” 😂
https://x.com/maxmarkhamnfl/status/1818773670153928881?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Wut.
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Keep pulling stuff out of your ass, maybe you’ll come up with something that doesn’t smell.
We all know he was a selfish little bitch in the Bear locker room.
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We all know he was a selfish little bitch in the Bear locker room.
Even if that’s true (highly debatable), you’re saying he’s at it again. Where’s your proof?
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Even if that’s true (highly debatable), you’re saying he’s at it again. Where’s your proof?
The links were posted contemporaneously as the stories came out....re-read the threads.
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The links were posted contemporaneously as the stories came out....re-read the threads.
No. Because you’re making it up.
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Especially the part about “he’s at it again.”
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No. Because you’re making it up.
Yes, they were. It is all here.
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Yes, they were. It is all here.
No, it isn’t. Especially the part about he’s doing it again in Pittsburgh.
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No, it isn’t. Especially the part about he’s doing it again in Pittsburgh.
Sure it is.
Plus we saw that the dude hit him in Pittsburgh and his saying that he won't return punts/kicks for the team.
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Sure it is.
Plus we saw that the dude hit him in Pittsburgh and his saying that he won't return punts/kicks for the team.
Seems you’re taking a lot of freedoms here.
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Seems you’re taking a lot of freedoms here.
Facts are freedom.
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https://x.com/mazursky8895/status/1819098742412173439?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/pittsburgh-steelers-training-camp/2024/8/1/24211518/justin-fields-russell-wilson-shine-day-7-of-steelers-camp-winners-of-the-day-nfl-george-pickens
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https://x.com/mazursky8895/status/1819048002331287752?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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(https://i.postimg.cc/430TsKcS/IMG-8298.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Probably having a tough time catching balls thrown perfectly after the last 3 years.
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https://x.com/itsjusthantz/status/1819557691875860631?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/justin-fields-lights-up-another-pittsburgh-steelers-practice
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https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/justin-fields-lights-up-another-pittsburgh-steelers-practice
More practice glory. How about doing that in an actual game?
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Hopefully. Would be nice.
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The anti-Getsy
https://x.com/calebfc18/status/1819879067191329148?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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https://www.chicitysports.com/justin-fields-chicago-bears-russell-wilson
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I'm finding that there are a few people like Tempo who are really, really invested in everyone agreeing that Justin Fields is an NFL QB or going to be one.
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I don’t expect you to agree. Just giving updates in the JFC thread!
And BTW, he’s already an NFL QB. Doesn’t matter if you agree.
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Perfectly placed!
https://x.com/cruzsteelski/status/1820218548587008289?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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I don’t expect you to agree. Just giving updates in the JFC thread!
And BTW, he’s already an NFL QB. Doesn’t matter if you agree.
He's a RB/WR/KR attempting to play the QB position
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He's a RB/WR/KR attempting to play the QB position
Mike Tomlin would tell you he’s a quarterback.
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PAMan is right? Flus is running a country club?!
https://steelersdepot.com/2024/08/justin-fields-calls-steelers-camp-the-hardest-hes-been-through-wouldnt-want-it-any-other-way/
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Mike Tomlin would tell you he’s a quarterback.
He has to say that right now.
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PAMan is right? Flus is running a country club?!
https://steelersdepot.com/2024/08/justin-fields-calls-steelers-camp-the-hardest-hes-been-through-wouldnt-want-it-any-other-way/
Of course. You should know not to doubt my hot takes by now.
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PAMan putting on performances like the XY chromosome boxer from The Algeria!
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He has to say that right now.
Well yeah, he traded for him to play quarterback.
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Well yeah, he traded for him to play quarterback.
Except they floated the KR trial balloon which Fields selfishly, of course, rejected.
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Sometimes you make Glenn Beck look grounded.
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He’s been part of his problem. He also hasn’t had a lot of help. When did Tua all of a sudden become good? When he got Hill, Waddle, and McDaniel. They were regretting drafting him his first couple of years.
When did Allen make a jump? When he got Stephon Diggs. A top 5-7 WR.
When did Hurts make a jump? When he got AJ Brown and Devonta Smith.
Yes, Fields has had DJ, but he didn’t even have a healthy line (a line that couldn’t afford injuries) from the get-go this year. There were lots of moving parts. It’s only the last few weeks the team has gotten healthier and had a chance to play together. And guess what, it’s starting to look better.
Oh, and his OC is a bottom 5 OC in the league…
This is me (on one of many occasions) where I said Fields has been part of his own problem FTR.
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Dude, I get the criticisms of Justin Fields. A lot of it is valid. I’m merely saying I wouldn’t give up on him yet. He has not had a good supporting cast for any length of time whatsoever. And that includes coaches and GMs that have been failing him. Don’t realize how bad the Bears have sucked the last 4-5 years? Especially offensively? They have been totally bereft of talent.
“A lot of the criticism (of Fields) is valid.”
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I’m not going to rummage through 300+ pages for more, but it’s there. Fields has is own issues and I’ve acknowledged that many times. I’ve just been of the belief with more experience and upgrades in talent and coaching, he can be a dynamic (if not perfect) quarterback.
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This is me (on one of many occasions) where I said Fields has been part of his own problem FTR.
Yes, but there is a lot of context missing. I'm guessing that post was made after Fields criticism by some, and dick sucking by you.
You can't say someone is great, then say he's not perfect, then come back and say "I said he wasn't perfect!" That's kinda bunk.
That's why last season was miserable with you.
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I said he has the potential to be great. Some of the plays he makes are great. You can look at his stats and tell he isn’t “great.” Even though I don’t think the mediocre (to sometimes bad) stats are entirely his fault. You guys selectively read to the nth degree.
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He’s a dynamic playmaker. Pretty much anyone should agree with that. I never once tried to say he was anywhere near a finished product. Never ever ever.
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I said he has the potential to be great. Some of the plays he makes are great. You can look at his stats and tell he isn’t “great.” Even though I don’t think the mediocre (to sometimes bad) stats are entirely his fault. You guys selectively read to the nth degree.
All NFL quarterbacks drafted in the first round have the potential to be great. And some of the plays they make are great. You don't get to be a first round pick without that ability. And yes, I can look at his stats and tell he didn't turn out to be great. And yes, some of that isn't his fault. But some of it is.
We actually agree on a lot of this stuff. Problem is, Fields didn't work out here. You weren't going to pass on Caleb Williams to keep that. He wasn't good enough. I think we agree on that.
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He’s a dynamic playmaker. Pretty much anyone should agree with that. I never once tried to say he was anywhere near a finished product. Never ever ever.
He is good at running the ball. That makes for some dynamic plays. He's not a dynamic quarterback.
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I would challenge anyone to quote a post where I said Justin was a finished product or even “a great QB.”He has great “WOW” moments, but I’ve never tried to make the case he doesn’t need to improve. Never. As in not once. Ever.
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He is good at running the ball. That makes for some dynamic plays. He's not a dynamic quarterback.
He makes some great throws. He needs to get rid of it faster, and be better with the layups. I’ve never argued otherwise. Ever. Again, I challenge someone to quote something to the contrary. Saying he’s had poor support isn’t the same as saying he can’t do more to help himself. I’ve said he needs to do more to help himself probably 20x at least.
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I would challenge anyone to quote a post where I said Justin was a finished product or even “a great QB.”He has great “WOW” moments, but I’ve never tried to make the case he doesn’t need to improve. Never. As in not once. Ever.
We went through all last football season with you defending him against criticism. That's all I'm going to say about it. I'm not going to look back and mine for quotes. You would not allow anyone to criticize his play.
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And the fumbles are something that still worries me. Just not seeing progress there, and that’s a major concern.
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He makes some great throws. He needs to get rid of it faster, and be better with the layups. I’ve never argued otherwise. Ever. Again, I challenge someone to quote something to the contrary. Saying he’s had poor support isn’t the same as saying he can’t do more to help himself. I’ve said he needs to do more to help himself probably 20x at least.
Again. We went through it all last season. You would not allow criticism of him. It sucked.
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And the fumbles are something that still worries me. Just not seeing progress there, and that’s a major concern.
Doesn't worry me at all. Because he's not here anymore.
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We went through all last football season with you defending him against criticism. That's all I'm going to say about it. I'm not going to look back and mine for quotes. You would not allow anyone to criticize his play.
I never “defended him against criticism.” I tried to spread some of the blame around, which I think is fair. Spark, PAMan, and apparently you disagree.
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Justin can’t catch perfectly thrown balls on 4th down or make what’s his face not fumble trying to gain more yards.
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And I still maintain the OL couldn’t pass block a lick on OBVIOUS passing downs.
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I never “defended him against criticism.” I tried to spread some of the blame around, which I think is fair. Spark, PAMan, and apparently you disagree.
It was totally fair. I spread the blame around too. The offense wasn't good, and it wasn't all his fault.
With that being said, I do think guys got NFL open, and he couldn't find them. That definitely happened.
And yes, you vehemently defended him.
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Justin can’t catch perfectly thrown balls on 4th down or make what’s his face not fumble trying to gain more yards.
Yep, here we go. Let's not do this again. Jesus.
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And I still maintain the OL couldn’t pass block a lick on OBVIOUS passing downs.
That line was good enough. There were a lot of occasions where he had time to throw and he was standing there patting the ball, just itching to start running.
We'll see it in Pittsburgh, if he plays.
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I “vehemently” defended him from the notion he was supposed to somehow overcome the complete inadequacy around him. That’s it. I’ve acknowledged his warts many times.
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That line was good enough. There were a lot of occasions where he had time to throw and he was standing there patting the ball, just itching to start running.
We'll see it in Pittsburgh, if he plays.
Agreed. I’ve even said this a couple of times in the last half hour. This doesn’t change the fact the OL couldn’t block on obvious passing downs. Both things can be true.
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I “vehemently” defended him from the notion he was supposed to somehow overcome the complete inadequacy around him. That’s it. I’ve acknowledged his warts many times.
It wasn't complete inadequacy. We can definitely disagree on that. Yes, his line wasn't the greatest, but he had time to throw and they could run the ball a little bit. There were other quarterbacks in much worse places that were just as serviceable.
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There were other quarterbacks in much worse places that were just as serviceable.
Like who.
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“Much worse” than what Justin had year 2? That may have been the worst NFL roster in the last 6-8 years.
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With a rookie OC who eventually got fired (a firing that was extremely popular with the fan base btw).
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Agreed. I’ve even said this a couple of times in the last half hour. This doesn’t change the fact the OL couldn’t block on obvious passing downs. Both things can be true.
I would have to go back and look at some "obvious passing downs" to see how well they blocked it. I honestly don't remember. Yeah, there were plays that they didn't pick up a house blitz that was on an obvious passing down, but a lot of teams have issues with that.
The time I felt really bad about Fields was during a preseason game where the defense brought a really vanilla blitz, like one extra guy, and he didn't see it and got his helmet knocked off his head. He should have hit a hot read on that, but he was literally just standing there. All of a sudden, boom. I was like, oh shit, that's really bad.
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“Much worse” than what Justin had year 2? That may have been the worst NFL roster in the last 6-8 years.
Yes, and you were super happy with it. Because tank. You can't bring that up now.
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Like who.
You're telling me that Justin was the only qb that had issues with the talent around him? That's crazy.
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With a rookie OC who eventually got fired (a firing that was extremely popular with the fan base btw).
Yeah, he wasn't good. But I don't think Justin's skill set did him any favors either.
We'll see how Getsy does with Minshew and Farva, lol
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Anytime it was 3rd and 7 they were fucked. Those plays got blown up immediately on the regular.
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Yes, and you were super happy with it. Because tank. You can't bring that up now.
Not sure what your point is here. The tank has worked beautifully. Even to the point they had the option of taking Caleb Williams AND Rome Odunze. This franchise finally looks to have the stench of organizational incompetence removed from it.
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Yeah, he wasn't good. But I don't think Justin's skill set did him any favors either.
Again, both can be true. But the Bears always succumbed to pressure when there was no threat of running the ball. We literally had the worst Center in the league the last two years. The rest of the line was mediocre at best. Especially in pass protection.
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You're telling me that Justin was the only qb that had issues with the talent around him? That's crazy.
I never fucking said that.
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In fact, Mac Jones may have had it even worse last year than Justin had it. But he sucks. He can’t bail anyone out with his athleticism. Plus, he’s a dick (and a dirty player). Last years’ Patriots offense was a joke.
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You're telling me that Justin was the only qb that had issues with the talent around him? That's crazy.
That’s a literal strawman argument.
I’m asking you for specifics, here: “there were other quarterbacks in much worse places that were just as serviceable”
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Joe Burrows' line is equally as bad if not worse. And do not tell me that he had Chase when Fields had Moore.
Boom goes the dynamite
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Joe Burrows' line is equally as bad if not worse. And do not tell me that he had Chase when Fields had Moore.
Boom goes the dynamite
His rookie year that’s true. It was bad. It got better. One of the knocks on Burrow was that “he held the ball too long and took too many sacks.” He added Chase and got better. He also had Tee Higgins, a star in his own right. Tyler Boyd (their distant 3rd) would have easily been the Bears best WR Justin’s 2nd year. And Burrow had better coaching. Boom goes the dynamite.
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Chase and Higgins is on par with any 1-2 punch in the league. And Chase is better than Moore. I love Moore, but he’s not as good as Chase. Moore is a top 12-14 guy. Chase is a top 3 guy. Moore and Higgins are probably close.
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Zac Taylor > Luke Getsy probably by a very wide margin.
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Not sure what your point is here. The tank has worked beautifully. Even to the point they had the option of taking Caleb Williams AND Rome Odunze. This franchise finally looks to have the stench of organizational incompetence removed from it.
Yes. So, you can't also then say the Bears were trying to lose and it wasn't fair to Justin. Can't have it both ways.
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I never fucking said that.
Well, you have certainly implied it lol
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I like Flus, but one of the probable mistakes Poles made was hiring a defensive coach with a 2nd year 1st round QB.
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Well, you have certainly implied it lol
No, I didn’t. You extracted that by use of selective reading.
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We’re back, baby! We’re back!
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His rookie year that’s true. It was bad. It got better. One of the knocks on Burrow was that “he held the ball too long and took too many sacks.” He added Chase and got better. He also had Tee Higgins, a star in his own right. Tyler Boyd (their distant 3rd) would have easily been the Bears best WR Justin’s 2nd year. And Burrow had better coaching. Boom goes the dynamite.
I never heard that about Joe Burrow.
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Chase and Higgins is on par with any 1-2 punch in the league. And Chase is better than Moore. I love Moore, but he’s not as good as Chase. Moore is a top 12-14 guy. Chase is a top 3 guy. Moore and Higgins are probably close.
DJ Moore is way better than Tee Higgins. Come on man
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No, I didn’t. You extracted that by use of selective reading.
Nah
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Fields just wasn't good enough here. And from some accounts he was a prick in the locker room. So there's also that.
Stick that dynamite up your ass.
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Yes. So, you can't also then say the Bears were trying to lose and it wasn't fair to Justin. Can't have it both ways.
Can I get a rephrase here? Not understanding your point. Stripping the team wasn’t fair to Justin and it certainly didn’t help him. But it did help the long-term prospects of the franchise otherwise. Moreso than could have been predicted. Even if it cost the Bears my beloved Justin Fields, getting the team out of their salary cap hell was a huge priority. I also think mistakes were made in “supporting” Justin Fields. Unless Poles never intended to keep him.
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I never heard that about Joe Burrow.
(https://i.postimg.cc/DyK2gCV2/IMG-8497.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G9qw3xhN)
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His rookie year that’s true. It was bad. It got better. One of the knocks on Burrow was that “he held the ball too long and took too many sacks.” He added Chase and got better. He also had Tee Higgins, a star in his own right. Tyler Boyd (their distant 3rd) would have easily been the Bears best WR Justin’s 2nd year. And Burrow had better coaching. Boom goes the dynamite.
LOL! You did not include all these purported caveats....Enough excuses for that bitch assed, locker room cancer, whiny baby who didn't want to be coached. He sucks.
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Did Joe Burrow get sacked 111 times in 2022?
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Maybe Tempo will get the mpox from sucking Fields' schlong and we will finally have a real life example of what Alum set out in his mpox post?
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Can I get a rephrase here? Not understanding your point. Stripping the team wasn’t fair to Justin and it certainly didn’t help him. But it did help the long-term prospects of the franchise otherwise. Moreso than could have been predicted. Even if it cost the Bears my beloved Justin Fields, getting the team out of their salary cap hell was a huge priority. I also think mistakes were made in “supporting” Justin Fields. Unless Poles never intended to keep him.
Well, I'm guessing Poles never intended to keep him, because he sucks. As far as stripping the team, you fully supported the tank. So you can't then turn around and lament the tank and talk about how it was unfair to Justin. That doesn't make any sense.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/RFD2YZbr/IMG-8498.png) (https://postimg.cc/62CH2tXz)
The Schatz guy looks like he is related to Mr. Van Driessen from Beavis and Butt-head.
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Who the fuck is Aaron Schatz? Jesus. What an unfortunate name.
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Well, I'm guessing Poles never intended to keep him, because he sucks. As far as stripping the team, you fully supported the tank. So you can't then turn around and lament the tank and talk about how it was unfair to Justin. That doesn't make any sense.
It only makes sense if you are trying to have your cake and eat it too. A Tempo argument specialty.
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God damn. I can reach for dipshits on Twitter too.
Philip J. McCracken said Joe Burrow takes too many sacks. So he takes too many sacks.
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Tee Higgins is a stud. He’s easily a top 30 WR in the NFL, arguably top 20.
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Tee Higgins is a stud. He’s easily a top 30 WR in the NFL, arguably top 20.
So is DJ Moore
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God damn. I can reach for dipshits on Twitter too.
Philip J. McCracken said Joe Burrow takes too many sacks. So he takes too many sacks.
That dipshit covers the team and has almost 90k followers. I’d bet that’s more than the unassailable football genius Brad Biggs.
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That dipshit covers the team and has almost 90k followers. I’d bet that’s more than the unassailable football genius Brad Biggs.
Well, good for Aaron Schatz. 90k. I'm impressed.
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He’s followed by the likes of Jeff Joniak and the most esteemed football mind in HQ history, Adam Hoge.
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If you're telling me that Tee Higgins is better than DJ Moore, we can go ahead and be finished talking. Because that is 100% not true and you know it.
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He’s followed by the likes of Jeff Joniak and the most esteemed football mind in HQ history, Adam Hoge.
Oh. Well, I'm sold then.
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Actually, he doesn’t cover the Bengals. He covers the league. He’s a stats guy.
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How many of the 90k did Mr. Van Driessen pay for?
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He’s followed by the likes of Jeff Joniak and the most esteemed football mind in HQ history, Adam Hoge.
Now, if Mark Carmen followed him, I would be all in.
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Now, if Mark Carmen followed him, I would be all in.
THE WHITLOCK!
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Adam Schefter and Michael Lombardi also follow him! Too many esteemed football brainiacs to mention!
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Adam Schefter and Michael Lombardi also follow him! Too many esteemed football brainiacs to mention!
You hate Lombardi.
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Hoge was the one who said Caleb Williams failed me, no?
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You hate Lombardi.
Until he doesn't
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Hoge was the one who said Caleb Williams failed me, no?
No it was Carmen who actually said it. Hoge is the one you had The Twotter feud with, which prompted Carmen to say it on the podcast.
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Until he doesn't
PAMan loves him. And has referred to him multiple times. I think he’s a clown.
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Hoge was the one who said Caleb Williams failed me, no?
I would have to review the tape, but I think it was a group effort. I mean, Caleb Williams did fail you. That golf outing was just brutal.
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PAMan loves him. And has referred to him multiple times. I think he’s a clown.
Because he was AOTC on thinking Fields sucks.
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PAMan loves him. And has referred to him multiple times. I think he’s a clown.
Yet you gave him some kind of cred as a Schatz follower. I mean, you just brought him up...
FWIW, I think Lombardi is kind of clownish as well.
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Because he was AOTC on thinking Fields sucks.
I mean, it's an easy take. Just take any Bear player and say he sucks. It usually comes true.
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Tempo cannot even remember all his social media feuds....SAD!
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Selective reading again. Very very selective. I had zero problem with him attending a PGA Tour event. It’s easy to come to the conclusion you want when you only take in half of the information.
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Yet you gave him some kind of cred as a Schatz follower. I mean, you just brought him up...
FWIW, I think Lombardi is kind of clownish as well.
I did that for the PAMan.
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No it was Carmen who actually said it. Hoge is the one you had The Twotter feud with, which prompted Carmen to say it on the podcast.
Crazy times. That was also around the time he was feuding with Parkins.
Never meet your heroes.
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The PAMan has cited Lombardi on multiple occasions
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Selective reading again. Very very selective. I had zero problem with him attending a PGA Tour event. It’s easy to come to the conclusion you want when you only take in half of the information.
Yeah, you were so ok with it you brought it up and had concerns with him being there when the Bears needed his medical info. Because, you know, there was an infinitesimal chance he was going to fail a physical or have AIDS or something.
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Because he was AOTC on thinking Fields sucks.
See, PAMan thinks he’s a legend. That’s why I mentioned him.
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The PAMan has cited Lombardi on multiple occasions
Ok. And you cite Colin Cowherd, even tho he's a self admitted clown who is wrong about shit all the time. And is fine with being wrong.
What's your point?
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I didn’t make a federal case of it or anything. I just said it’s a bad look IMO to be gallivanting around when you’re literally making your future franchise wait on you. I wasn’t in hysterics or anything. Just didn’t care for the optics.
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See, PAMan thinks he’s a legend. That’s why I mentioned him.
He was AOTC on that. Can't deny it.
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I didn’t make a federal case of it or anything. I just said it’s a bad look IMO to be gallivanting around when you’re literally making your future franchise wait on you. I wasn’t in hysterics or anything. Just didn’t care for the optics.
How many pages did you use up not making a federal case of it? Lol, awesome.
Yeah, you made a case of it. So much so that you got called out by Hoge and Carman and got made fun of. Caleb failed you.
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I’ve probably cited Cowherd like once. I don’t watch or listen to him. I probably cited him with 15 others journalists when PAMan demanded I produce some material for whatever argument I was making.
The only time I really put any stock into something he said was that Caleb had concerns about Chicago. Which at that time, I think was true.
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How many pages did you use up not making a federal case of it? Lol, awesome.
Yeah, you made a case of it. So much so that you got called out by Hoge and Carman and got made fun of. Caleb failed you.
It was argued about so much because you guys ridiculed me for the take. I was defending my take, not freaking about him. You’re not doing very good at this.
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I’ve probably cited Cowherd like once. I don’t watch or listen to him. I probably cited him with 15 others journalists when PAMan demanded I produce some material for whatever argument I was making.
The only time I really put any stock into something he said was that Caleb had concerns about Chicago. Which at that time, I think was true.
At the time, you really wanted it to be true. Cowherd didn't know shit. He doesn't know shit. He gets on TV and blows smoke. Every once in a while, a dart hits the board.
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It was argued about so much because you guys ridiculed me for the take. I was defending my take, not freaking about him. You’re not doing very good at this.
We ridiculed you for the take because it was a stupid take. It's the same reason you got ridiculed for it on Youtube.
I think I'm doing ok.
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How many pages did you use up not making a federal case of it? Lol, awesome.
Yeah, you made a case of it. So much so that you got called out by Hoge and Carman and got made fun of. Caleb failed you.
I said it once. Then defended the take here. Over and over because you guys kept on and on about it. It wasn’t me that dragged that out.
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Pretty sure it was Spark that fanned that flame (no pun intended).
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We ridiculed you for the take because it was a stupid take. It's the same reason you got ridiculed for it on Youtube.
I think I'm doing ok.
Again, I didn’t care for the optics. I wasn’t freaking out over it. I’m an entitled to an opinion.
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I was not upset about him being at a PGA Tour event.
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Again, I didn’t care for the optics. I wasn’t freaking out over it. I’m an entitled to an opinion.
Ok. You weren't freaking out.
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At the time, you really wanted it to be true. Cowherd didn't know shit. He doesn't know shit. He gets on TV and blows smoke. Every once in a while, a dart hits the board.
I’m pretty sure it was true. But Poles managed to assuage their concerns. They know the history here, and don’t want Caleb to suffer the same fate. That’s not unreasonable on their part.
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Ok. You weren't freaking out.
It’s true, I wasn’t. Just didn’t like the optics.
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It’s true, I wasn’t. Just didn’t like the optics.
Lol
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From May. You guys need to get better at reading the entire context. “Not deal-breaking or anything.”
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Good to be arguing ball again! Need Spark to come back. I need some sleep.
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Good to be arguing ball again! Need Spark to come back. I need some sleep.
No, we absolutely do not need Spark to come back. Fuck that guy.
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From May. You guys need to get better at reading the entire context. “Not deal-breaking or anything.”
(https://i.postimg.cc/sDs41VtP/IMG-8499.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yWpZbz6W)
You can talk yourself into that if you want. The fact of the matter is you were reaching for shit to dislike Williams for. You grabbed some low hanging fruit, then when people said come on man, Jesus Christ, you were like, oh it's not a deal breaker, just a concern!
It doesn't matter that much at the end of the day. Just admit that's what you were doing. Or don't. But we all know.
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I openly admitted I was biased towards Justin. I also think it wise to scrutinize anyone you might take with the #1 pick in the draft. No apologies here. What you didn’t see me criticize Caleb on were his nails or crying. Although the crying was funny.
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Yes, I had a list of minor concerns with Caleb. He’s alleviated most of them IMO, especially thus far. No apologies here for not engulfing his manhood whole during the draft process.
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I openly admitted I was biased towards Justin. I also think it wise to scrutinize anyone you might take with the #1 pick in the draft. No apologies here. What you didn’t see me criticize Caleb on were his nails or crying. Although the crying was funny.
Not asking for apologies. The bias toward Justin was largely unfounded, but hey. That's your bias.
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Yes, I had a list of minor concerns with Caleb. He’s alleviated most of them IMO, especially thus far. No apologies here for not engulfing his manhood whole during the draft process.
Nobody asked you to do that. lol
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I was not upset about him being at a PGA Tour event.
You were upset he went without submitting to his physical.
You were so upset that you got into it with Hoge, who roasted you on The Twotter. And then Carmen brought it up on the podcast.
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Needs to be bumped.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5qikzT6SHI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5qikzT6SHI)
God damn. That was just a brutal beatdown.
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I'll say this, Jobu at least kept Tempo today from playing cosplay at Union Park today with the 300 (not the 30,000-40,000 LOL) other cosplayers....
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I'll say this, Jobu at least kept Tempo today from playing cosplay at Union Park today with the 300 (not the 30,000-40,000 LOL) other cosplayers....
Oh no. I hope that's not a problem. I don't want to deprive anyone of their cosplay or whatever.
So, I'm gonna confess. I have no idea what you're talking about lol
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Oh no. I hope that's not a problem. I don't want to deprive anyone of their cosplay or whatever.
So, I'm gonna confess. I have no idea what you're talking about lol
The DNC protests appear to have fizzled....
Maybe things will get spicier tonight when Genocide Joe speaks.
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Ohhhh, that's this week...
Yeah, yikes. Glad I'm downstate, in Trump country.
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Ohhhh, that's this week...
Yeah, yikes. Glad I'm downstate, in Trump country.
The ride on the Blue Line was actually not too bad. And no one is downtown.
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Well, it's early. Give it some time.
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Needs to be bumped.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5qikzT6SHI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5qikzT6SHI)
God damn. That was just a brutal beatdown.
That’s fucking hilarious. I am laughing my ass off. I literally said I don’t care that he’s at the golf tournament (and I didn’t). Just that it was a turnoff when the Bears’ organization was waiting on his medicals (for no reason other than he didn’t feel like it yet). The only “brutal beatdown” taken in that video was taken by Caleb’s cock after being engulfed by Hoge. Hoge doesn’t get to take what I said and say “no, this is what you meant!” The real world doesn’t work that way. Lucky for him he’s (they) are the ones with the platform. Unfortunately, I wasn’t invited to the discussion. But yeah, if you’ve got a vested interest in Hoge “nailing” this take, I suppose it’s there for ya. Pretty effing hilarious.
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That’s fucking hilarious. I am laughing my ass off. I literally said I don’t care that he’s at the golf tournament (and I didn’t). Just that it was a turnoff when the Bears’ organization was waiting on his medicals (for no reason other than he didn’t feel like it yet). The only “brutal beatdown” taken in that video was taken by Caleb’s cock after being engulfed by Hoge. Hoge doesn’t get to take what I said and say “no, this is what you meant!” The real world doesn’t work that way. Lucky for him he’s (they) are the ones with the platform. Unfortunately, I wasn’t invited to the discussion. But yeah, if you’ve got a vested interest in Hoge “nailing” this take, I suppose it’s there for ya. Pretty effing hilarious.
This is some revisionist history at its finest.
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Triggered. Shit.
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This is some revisionist history at its finest.
That’s exactly what happened. To a tee. I don’t give a shit that Caleb went to a golf tournament. I didn’t care for the optics, that’s it. I said it at the time. Not a deal breaker or anything egregious, I just didn’t care for it. Anyone coming out with a different version than that is being disingenuous.
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Triggered. Shit.
That’s rich.
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That’s exactly what happened. To a tee. I don’t give a shit that Caleb went to a golf tournament. I didn’t care for the optics, that’s it. I said it at the time. Not a deal breaker or anything egregious, I just didn’t care for it. Anyone coming out with a different version than that is being disingenuous.
Well, the optics were actually fine, for the reasons Hoge stated. And it wasn't just about the optics. You admitted bias for Justin. That's why he fired on your ass. These guys aren't stupid.
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That’s rich.
Rich mahogany
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That’s exactly what happened. To a tee. I don’t give a shit that Caleb went to a golf tournament. I didn’t care for the optics, that’s it. I said it at the time. Not a deal breaker or anything egregious, I just didn’t care for it. Anyone coming out with a different version than that is being disingenuous.
You were pissed he was there instead of doing his medicals. You made it a character issue and called him out on it here and to Hoge. Everyone roasted you for your take. Now you are saying it was not a big deal. You were the one making it a big deal.
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You don't think these guys looked at your twitter feed and observed your Justin takes? Come on. They wouldn't go out of their way to mention you for no reason.
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You don't think these guys looked at your twitter feed and observed your Justin takes? Come on. They wouldn't go out of their way to mention you for no reason.
Tempo was trying to roast Hoge on the Twitter, but Hoge has a bigger microphone.
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You were pissed he was there instead of doing his medicals. You made it a character issue and called him out on it here and to Hoge. Everyone roasted you for your take. Now you are saying it was not a big deal. You were the one making it a big deal.
Yep. It was him and the rest of the cult. That cult shit was crazy. Hoge called it out, and found a cult member to mention.
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I literally said at the time, “not a deal-breaker or anything.” It was just a personal opinion. If it was not a deal breaker I must not have been all that “upset.”
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I literally said at the time, “not a deal-breaker or anything.” It was just a personal opinion. If it was not a deal breaker I must not have been all that “upset.”
Yes, you were upset and using it as a reason not to draft him and keep Fields.
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When Carman proclaimed that Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock, that might have been one of the greatest moments in shitty sports podcasts history.
You should really own that, Tempo. You were twitter famous for like 5 minutes.
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I literally said at the time, “not a deal-breaker or anything.” It was just a personal opinion. If it was not a deal breaker I must not have been all that “upset.”
Yeah, you were so calm about it you ranted on it and argued about it for multiple pages on here, and got mentioned on a youtube video. No big tho. lol
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You guys know what a huge PGA Tour fan I am. I even said at the time that Caleb being interested in pro golf made me like him MORE. So it’s pretty unlikely I’d be up in arms about Caleb going to watch Rory McIlroy play golf. For me, it’s NFL and PGA and college basketball is now a very distant 3rd.
Again, the only “beef” I had is that I’d like to see the future franchise QB place the needs of the franchise first, especially at a time when he was still being evaluated. That’s it. Spin it any other way you want. You’d just be creating some bullshit narrative.
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You guys know what a huge PGA Tour fan I am. I even said at the time that Caleb being interested in pro golf made me like him MORE. So it’s pretty unlikely I’d be up in arms about Caleb going to watch Rory McIlroy play golf. For me, it’s NFL and PGA and college basketball is now a very distant 3rd.
Again, the only “beef” I had is that I’d like to see the future franchise QB place the needs of the franchise first, especially at a time when he was still being evaluated. That’s it. Spin it any other way you want. You’d just be creating some bullshit narrative.
You did say all of this. But you stressed that he was not putting the team first and that really, really bothered you. You then got beat up like a piñata on HQ2, Twotter, and The YouTube.
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The needs of the franchise being a sheet of paper saying Caleb doesn't have MS or AIDS. And all of his joints work.
It was super weird that you were so up in arms and pissed about that. And you were pissed. Whether you want to revise history or not.
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I don’t think I ever said it “really really bothered me.” I said it was bad optics and I didn’t care for it. To me he was pushing back on the system, and honestly, I’m fine with that to a degree. But I’d rather see someone else’s future franchise quarterback push back on the system. I’d prefer a bit of a “yes man,” at least until he’s proven himself as a pro. That’s it. I’m 95% sure I was not “really really bothered.” Just didn’t like the optics, as I said. If forced to choose between PGA and NFL, I’m not sure I wouldn’t take golf. So it’s really unlikely I was mad Caleb attended this event. It made me like him more, not less.
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The needs of the franchise being a sheet of paper saying Caleb doesn't have MS or AIDS. And all of his joints work.
It was super weird that you were so up in arms and pissed about that. And you were pissed. Whether you want to revise history or not.
I can guarantee you Ryan Poles would have preferred them sooner. But again, it wasn’t a “deal-breaker,” just as I said at the time.
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I don’t think I ever said it “really really bothered me.” I said it was bad optics and I didn’t care for it. To me he was pushing back on the system, and honestly, I’m fine with that to a degree. But I’d rather see someone else’s future franchise quarterback push back on the system. I’d prefer a bit of a “yes man,” at least until he’s proven himself as a pro. That’s it. I’m 95% sure I was not “really really bothered.” Just didn’t like the optics, as I said. If forced to choose between PGA and NFL, I’m not sure I wouldn’t take golf. So it’s really unlikely I was mad Caleb attended this event. It made me like him more, not less.
Lol, nope. That's not how it went down. You made a hell of a big deal about Caleb not getting his medicals in, and going to watch golf instead. It was comical. And stupid.
You're really trying to revise history. If that's what you feel the need to do, fine. Doesn't really matter either way. It's mostly just funny.
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I can guarantee you Ryan Poles would have preferred them sooner. But again, it wasn’t a “deal-breaker,” just as I said at the time.
You can't guarantee shit. Unless you're roommates with Ryan Poles.
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Lol again, I was not “up in arms or pissed” about it. Lolololololol
I merely questioned if his priorities were in line. I didn’t like that he was keeping the Bears waiting. I can only say so many times “it’s not a deal breaker, or anything.” The idea that I was “PISSED” is complete fiction. Lololololol
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And of course it wasn't a deal breaker. Why would it be?
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You can't guarantee shit. Unless you're roommates with Ryan Poles.
Ok, Spark.
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And of course it wasn't a deal breaker. Why would it be?
And it never ever was. I said as much at the time…
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Yep. It was him and the rest of the cult. That cult shit was crazy. Hoge called it out, and found a cult member to mention.
Hoge used his platform to misrepresent what I was saying. That’s it. These guys couldn’t slurp Caleb hard enough. It’s their jobs to create hype, and that’s what they did.
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Lol again, I was not “up in arms or pissed” about it. Lolololololol
I merely questioned if his priorities were in line. I didn’t like that he was keeping the Bears waiting. I can only say so many times “it’s not a deal breaker, or anything.” The idea that I was “PISSED” is complete fiction. Lololololol
You argued for pages and pages about this shit. Don't tell me you weren't emotional about it.
Why would you care about him keeping the Bears waiting? There was nothing indicating that the Bears gave a shit. You just kept bringing up that he was holding up getting his medical shit in. Everyone else was like, ok, we don't care. You wouldn't let it go. For literally pages. And you got showcased on a youtube video because you brought it up on twitter.
You're trying to change history. It's funny.
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Hoge used his platform to misrepresent what I was saying. That’s it. These guys couldn’t slurp Caleb hard enough. It’s their jobs to create hype, and that’s what they did.
He read your tweet verbatim. He didn't misrepresent anything.
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Caleb was the obvious future QB and they are going to protect him and create more hype around him. That puts money in their pockets.
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Caleb was the obvious future QB and they are going to protect him and create more hype around him. That puts money in their pockets.
Caleb didn't need to be protected at the time, and doesn't need to be protected now. Hoge making fun of the Fields cult does nothing to protect Caleb Williams. It just makes for good comedy.
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Caleb didn't need to be protected at the time, and doesn't need to be protected now. Hoge making fun of the Fields cult does nothing to protect Caleb Williams. It just makes for good comedy.
The guy with the ultra-conspiratorial view of talking heads now says there was no vested interest of talking heads. Just a talking head being straight up. Hoge had the microphone, I didn’t.
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Tempo getting roasted by some youtuber was pretty fucking funny, man I laughed hard when that happened
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You don't think these guys looked at your twitter feed and observed your Justin takes? Come on. They wouldn't go out of their way to mention you for no reason.
You mean they pulled a Jobu? How far back do you think they went? 3-5 months? No, I highly doubt any of these guys “investigated” me on Twitter.
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The guy with the ultra-conspiratorial view of talking heads now says there was no vested interest of talking heads. Just a talking head being straight up. Hoge had the microphone, I didn’t.
Not sure I follow you here.
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He read your tweet verbatim. He didn't misrepresent anything.
Jesus Christ. You live in an alternate reality. He took what I said and put his own spin on it. Again, I was not at all upset he was at a golf tournament. That made me like Caleb more, not less.
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You mean they pulled a Jobu? How far back do you think they went? 3-5 months? No, I highly doubt any of these guys “investigated” me on Twitter.
I bet they did. They weren't going to roast a guy with 20 followers and 3 tweets. I will just about guarantee they went back and looked at least far enough to say, yep. Cult member.
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Yeah, you were so calm about it you ranted on it and argued about it for multiple pages on here, and got mentioned on a youtube video. No big tho. lol
Show me “the rant.”
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Yes, you were upset and using it as a reason not to draft him and keep hFields.
I’m not sure what the exact timeline was, but after the combine it was pretty clear they were moving on from Fields.
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Jesus Christ. You live in an alternate reality. He took what I said and put his own spin on it. Again, I was not at all upset he was at a golf tournament. That made me like Caleb more, not less.
He read your tweet. At the end of it you questioned his priorities. How was that spin?
Revise history all you want. Sorry you got barbecued for making a dumb tweet, and pushing a dumb take.
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Nothing that happened at the combine gave me hope they were keeping Fields.
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Show me “the rant.”
Do your own fucking research lol. I'm not going back through here and finding that shit. It's there.
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The Bears had a veritable love fest with Caleb at the combine.
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Nothing that happened at the combine gave me hope they were keeping Fields.
And they shouldn't have kept Fields. It was an easy decision.
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The Bears had a veritable love fest with Caleb at the combine.
He was pretty much the undisputed number 1 pick at the combine. I would hope the Bears liked him.
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When Carman proclaimed that Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock, that might have been one of the greatest moments in shitty sports podcasts history.
You should really own that, Tempo. You were twitter famous for like 5 minutes.
It was funny. And I said it was funny at the time. It’s just not all that accurate.
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When Carman proclaimed that Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock, that might have been one of the greatest moments in shitty sports podcasts history.
You should really own that, Tempo. You were twitter famous for like 5 minutes.
I was Twitter famous for like 3-5 minutes.
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Tempo getting roasted by some youtuber was pretty fucking funny, man I laughed hard when that happened
It was amazing.
THE WHITLOCK!
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I was Twitter famous for like 3-5 minutes.
I'm just jealous. I haven't been twitter famous for 3-5 seconds.
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Yeah, you were so calm about it you ranted on it and argued about it for multiple pages on here, and got mentioned on a youtube video. No big tho. lol
The only reason it continued to be talked about is because you guys misrepresented it. Again, feel free to show me where I ranted or was upset. I said at the time, it made me like Caleb more. I just wish he was prioritizing the business of the Chicago Bears a little more. That’s it. I wasn’t angry. lol that’s absurd
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I definitely wasn’t PAMan Justin Fields and receivers attending Bulls game upset!
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The only reason it continued to be talked about is because you guys misrepresented it. Again, feel free to show me where I ranted or was upset. I said at the time, it made me like Caleb more. I just wish he was prioritizing the business of the Chicago Bears a little more. That’s it. I wasn’t angry. lol that’s absurd
It's not his job to prioritize the business of the Chicago Bears.
We didn't misrepresent shit. I even pretty much said, damn man, this isn't that big of a deal. They'll get the medicals and it'll be fine. You wouldn't lay off of it.
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Lol, nope. That's not how it went down. You made a hell of a big deal about Caleb not getting his medicals in, and going to watch golf instead. It was comical. And stupid.
You're really trying to revise history. If that's what you feel the need to do, fine. Doesn't really matter either way. It's mostly just funny.
No, I did not make “a hell of a big deal about it.” Hoge went after me on the podcast and of course, it took on a life of its own here. That’s exactly what happened.
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It's not his job to prioritize the business of the Chicago Bears.
We didn't misrepresent shit. I even pretty much said, damn man, this isn't that big of a deal. They'll get the medicals and it'll be fine. You wouldn't lay off of it.
He’s the franchise fucking quarterback. I’d disagree with your take.
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No, I did not make “a hell of a big deal about it.” Hoge went after me on the podcast and of course, it took on a life of its own here. That’s exactly what happened.
Haha, yeah you did. When I tried to tell you, this isn't a big deal, you were not letting it go.
In life, when I see that something isn't a big deal, I say, well that's not a big deal. I'm not spending time thinking about that, because not a big deal. You absolutely would not let the medical shit go. You argued about that tooth and nail.
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I wouldn’t lay off if it because you guys wouldn’t stop blabbering about how Hoge owned me. It LITERALLY made me LIKE Caleb more that he was following my favorite player at a PGA Tour event. I LITERALLY said at the time, it’s not a deal breaker.
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No one misrepresented Tempo except today Tempo misrepresented Tempo
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Haha, yeah you did. When I tried to tell you, this isn't a big deal, you were not letting it go.
In life, when I see that something isn't a big deal, I say, well that's not a big deal. I'm not spending time thinking about that, because not a big deal. You absolutely would not let the medical shit go. You argued about that tooth and nail.
Feel free to repost anything that refutes what I’ve said. I’ll wait.
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He’s the franchise fucking quarterback. I’d disagree with your take.
He fucks the franchise?
Lol, I mean his job is to play quarterback, and to do a good job at it. The rest of it all falls into place. If he sucks at quarterback, the other shit doesn't matter.
And the fact that he didn't have the paper that said he isn't in liver failure right away moved zero needles. Again, this isn't, and wasn't a big deal, and you're wanting to argue about it again.
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Do your own fucking research lol. I'm not going back through here and finding that shit. It's there.
You’re the one making the accusation. You do it.
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Again, Poles surely wanted that info at the combine; unless, you live in the sparkyverse.
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Feel free to repost anything that refutes what I’ve said. I’ll wait.
You're going to be waiting for a long fucking time, because I'm not going back through here to find it. I told you that already, lol. You know how you acted when this shit came up. Hell, you're pretty much doing it again. Starting up the shit about how Caleb needs to care about Bears business because franchise quarterback and whatever lol
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Agreed, I’ll be waiting a very long time. Because you won’t, and likely can’t do it.
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You’re the one making the accusation. You do it.
I'm not making accusations. I'm telling you what happened. We all know what happened. I'm not going through trying to navigate the shitty search function on here to come up with shit that was said by you that you know was said. That's a fucking stupid waste of my time, especially when it doesn't matter anyway.
How did Caleb's medicals turn out? Any issues with the physical?
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You mean I wasn’t quiet when constantly badgered and misrepresented about it? That’s on me, then!
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Again, Poles surely wanted that info at the combine; unless, you live in the sparkyverse.
Again, you don't know fuck about what Poles wanted.
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You mean I wasn’t quiet when constantly badgered and misrepresented about it? That’s on me, then!
You didn't let it go. If you didn't care you would have. You just kept arguing and going on about Caleb's fucking medicals. Kinda like how you're doing now.
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I'm not making accusations. I'm telling you what happened. We all know what happened. I'm not going through trying to navigate the shitty search function on here to come up with shit that was said by you that you know was said. That's a fucking stupid waste of my time, especially when it doesn't matter anyway.
How did Caleb's medicals turn out? Any issues with the physical?
Ex post facto.
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Agreed, I’ll be waiting a very long time. Because you won’t, and likely can’t do it.
You're right. I told you I won't, and I won't. So don't worry about waiting.
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Ex post facto.
Is Caleb healthy? He's not in kidney failure or anything right?
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You didn't let it go. If you didn't care you would have. You just kept arguing and going on about Caleb's fucking medicals. Kinda like how you're doing now.
I was getting balls busted at an even higher rate than usual over that (because it was on an podcast). And again, my position was being misrepresented. No, I didn’t let it go. Because you guys wouldn’t.
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I was getting balls busted at an even higher rate than usual over that (because it was on an podcast). And again, my position was being misrepresented. No, I didn’t let it go. Because you guys wouldn’t.
Yeah, I know when I get my ass kicked over something I double down. Makes perfect sense.
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And you still won’t. I LIKED CALEB MORE AFTER LEARNING HE HAD AN INTEREST IN GOLF AND FOLLOWED MY FAVORITE PLAYER.
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He fucking nailed your position to a tee. You were Fields culting all over the fucking Twitter. He called your ass out on it, when you were firing on Caleb over a stupid physical. That's what happened.
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Done arguing this idiocy. I’ll wait to see what you find. Good luck and good searching.
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And you still won’t. I LIKED CALEB MORE AFTER LEARNING HE HAD AN INTEREST IN GOLF AND FOLLOWED MY FAVORITE PLAYER.
But he didn't get Poles a paper that said he was free of ebola.
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Bears business.
Bears.
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Done arguing this idiocy. I’ll wait to see what you find. Good luck and good searching.
Keep waiting. I'm not searching.
Have a good evening.
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Priorities?????
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Me waiting. Don’t worry, I have time.
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Priorities?
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Keep waiting. I'm not searching.
I already knew this.
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I already knew this.
Cool. Don't want you to lose any sleep waiting for old quotes.
I know Spark would have absolutely mined this shithole looking for gotchas. I don't have the time to waste on that shit.
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I know you don’t. Convenient for sure.
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I know you don’t. Convenient for sure.
Yep. I have a life.
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Yep. I have a life.
You literally just wasted 5+ hours (conservatively) on the internet arguing about an Adam Hoge take.
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That wasn’t an argument.
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Still here arguing. You’re clearly very busy.
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That wasn’t an argument.
I’d say that makes it even worse
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You mean I wasn’t quiet when constantly badgered and misrepresented about it? That’s on me, then!
You weren't misrepresented. You kept deriding his character because he was at a golf tourney instead of getting his medicals done. You did it here. You did it on Twitter. Hoge and Carmen mocked you like we did.
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He fucking nailed your position to a tee. You were Fields culting all over the fucking Twitter. He called your ass out on it, when you were firing on Caleb over a stupid physical. That's what happened.
Yep. We have the proof on The YouTube. Tempo should prove that everyone, HQ2, Hoge, and Carmen was wrong.
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You weren't misrepresented. You kept deriding his character because he was at a golf tourney instead of getting his medicals done. You did it here. You did it on Twitter. Hoge and Carmen mocked you like we did.
I was literally misrepresented. You basically admitted as much. You conceded that I said I liked Caleb MORE after finding out he was interested in golf and following my favorite player. Hoge said I was mad he was at the tournament. Provably (and proven false).
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Yep. We have the proof on The YouTube. Tempo should prove that everyone, HQ2, Hoge, and Carmen was wrong.
You got proof of nothing. You got Hoge’s interpretation. An incorrect one. That’s it. I had no hope left they were trading the pick. It was clear they weren’t at and after the combine.
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You weren't misrepresented. You kept deriding his character because he was at a golf tourney instead of getting his medicals done. You did it here. You did it on Twitter. Hoge and Carmen mocked you like we did.
Hoge said I was mad he was at the tournament. Not at all. Just questioned whether his priorities were in line. Reasonable minds can disagree.
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Yep. We have the proof on The YouTube. Tempo should prove that everyone, HQ2, Hoge, and Carmen was wrong.
I have. Like 30x now. You guys are extremely selective in what evidence you allow.
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I am literally on record as saying I found Caleb more likeable on a personal level knowing he likes golf, but that I wish he’d prioritize the business of the Chicago Bears a little more. He was being a maverick. I’d prefer he was Ice Man.
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I was literally misrepresented. You basically admitted as much. You conceded that I said I liked Caleb MORE after finding out he was interested in golf and following my favorite player. Hoge said I was mad he was at the tournament. Provably (and proven false).
That was your typical fence riding so you could make these arguments when you were ridiculed for you other argument. It is akin to your "she was for the spending bill before she was against it"
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Hoge said I was mad he was at the tournament. Not at all. Just questioned whether his priorities were in line. Reasonable minds can disagree.
So you questioned his character because he was at the tournament instead of getting his physical done
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You got proof of nothing. You got Hoge’s interpretation. An incorrect one. That’s it. I had no hope left they were trading the pick. It was clear they weren’t at and after the combine.
Everyone agreed with Hoge's interpretation. As Jobu said, it was Fields Cult talk and recognized as such.
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So you questioned his character because he was at the tournament instead of getting his physical done
In the ballpark, but wrong.
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In the ballpark, but wrong.
That's exactly what you did.
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Everyone agreed with Hoge's interpretation. As Jobu said, it was Fields Cult talk and recognized as such.
Because trashing Fields and fellating Williams was all the rage at that point. The writing was on the wall. Williams was going to be the new quarterback. People like Hoge were leading the charge in that regard. It was all about building up Williams.
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I literally said:
1) Knowing Caleb likes golf and was following Rory makes me like him better on a personal level.
2) Didn’t like the stalling on the medicals, but not a deal-breaker. I couldn’t be more clear on either point.
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Because trashing Fields and fellating Williams was all the rage at that point. The writing was on the wall. Williams was going to be the new quarterback. People like Hoge were leading the charge in that regard. It was all about building up Williams.
Hoge and you were BTC.
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Priorities?
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That's exactly what you did.
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Priorities?
Williams had the wrong priorities according to Tempo. Not serious about the game. Should have seen the red flags and not traded Superstar Fields.
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I did not care that he was at the golf tournament (Hoge argued otherwise). In fact, for the 40th time, I found it made him more likable to me. What I wasn’t wild about was his lackadaisical attitude toward the business of the Chicago Bears. Again, reasonable minds can disagree.
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Nope. Everyone else has reorganized this for what it was.
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I did not care that he was at the golf tournament (Hoge argued otherwise). In fact, for the 40th time, I found it made him more likable to me. What I wasn’t wild about was his lackadaisical attitude toward the business of the Chicago Bears. Again, reasonable minds can disagree.
Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock.
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Williams had the wrong priorities according to Tempo. Not serious about the game. Should have seen the red flags and not traded Superstar Fields.
Never quite said that, either. I did make that case. But I also said a lot of times I understood the case from moving on. I just disagreed with the decision to move on. Again, reasonable minds can disagree. And they did. A decent amount of “experts,” (queue Spark) made the case for Fields. Although the majority I would have to say thought they should move on.
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I said a lot of times I had some minor concerns on Caleb, but nothing that would stop me from drafting him if Poles decided that was his guy. I’m speaking from Poles’ perspective. Not mine. I wanted to stay with Fields, but I was mostly comfortable with the decision to move to Caleb if they decided to do that. Not thrilled with it, but comfortable enough.
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Never quite said that, either. I did make that case. But I also said a lot of times I understood the case from moving on. I just disagreed with the decision to move on. Again, reasonable minds can disagree. And they did. A decent amount of “experts,” (queue Spark) made the case for Fields. Although the majority I would have to say thought they should move on.
Yes, people can disagree. And others question the character of the person that is taking their guy's job because said person did not prioritize the medicals
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For those who aren’t as swamped with life as Jobu, you can go back and find that my reaction to Fields getting traded was pretty reserved.
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For those who aren’t as swamped with life as Jobu, you can go back and find that my reaction to Fields getting traded was pretty reserved.
LOL
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Never quite said that, either. I did make that case. But I also said a lot of times I understood the case from moving on. I just disagreed with the decision to move on.
You were/are way behind the curve on this. Unbelievable actually how anyone in their right mind would wanna keep Fields over drafting Williams. You’re gonna see in the next decade how terrible of a decision that would’ve been.
The reason people on here (and some in the media) gave you a hard time and still are is because you literally gave JFC every excuse in the world as to why he sucked and then proceeded to nit pick Williams at every chance you got. Go back and look, we’re not making it up, it’s all in this forum and on sport’s radio…
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Lol
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First off, there were a lot of people who thought keeping Fields was the right move (even some “experts”). The Bears were 4-3 their last 7 with Fields and quite frankly, should have been 6-1 (and likely would have been without coaching screwups). No, Fields was definitely not perfect; but he looked like he was at least good enough (and IMO still could get
much better). You clearly disagree. Conclusions on Fields weren’t quite unanimous.
Secondly, I “nitpicked” Williams because sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t. And if I truly was nitpicking him at “every chance I got” I’d have made fun of his nails or his crying. I didn’t do that. Of course I’m going to scrutinize a potential #1 pick. Why wouldn’t you?
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And lastly, if Fields had been given what Williams has already been given, his chances of still being here would be much greater. The difference in how they were set up to succeed is night and day.
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First off, there were a lot of people who thought keeping Fields was the right move (even some “experts”). The Bears were 4-3 their last 7 with Fields and quite frankly, should have been 6-1 (and likely would have been without coaching screwups). No, Fields was definitely not perfect; but he looked like he was at least good enough (and IMO still could get
much better). You clearly disagree. Conclusions on Fields weren’t quite unanimous.
Secondly, I “nitpicked” Williams because sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t. And if I truly was nitpicking him at “every chance I got” I’d have made fun of his nails or his crying. I didn’t do that. Of course I’m going to scrutinize a potential #1 pick. Why wouldn’t you?
LOL. Tiwtter loser talk. What a bunch of sad sack morons supporting Fields
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And lastly, if Fields had been given what Williams has already been given, his chances of still being here would be much greater. The difference in how they were set up to succeed is night and day.
Too bad Fields sucks and is a cancer in the locker room
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Too bad Fields sucks and is a cancer in the locker room
This is all we need to know.
Will Keenan Allen or DJ Moore get "Ohio State open" in the NFL? Nope. Would Justin be able adjust to that? He had 3 years to prove that he could, and he stood there and held the ball, or just took off and ran.
Maybe Caleb will suck. Maybe he won't. But Justin had 3 years to prove he could play. He was so good the Bears got a 6th (conditional 4th) for him. Not great, Bob.
And, it's well documented that he was a moody bitch. People said they didn't know what they were going to get day to day with him.
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This is all we need to know.
Will Keenan Allen or DJ Moore get "Ohio State open" in the NFL? Nope. Would Justin be able adjust to that? He had 3 years to prove that he could, and he stood there and held the ball, or just took off and ran.
Justin had 3 years to prove he could play. He was so good the Bears got a 6th (conditional 4th) for him. Not great, Bob.
And, it's well documented that he was a moody bitch. People said they didn't know what they were going to get day to day with him.
This. And Field's has already made some shitty comments that have been made public while in Pittsburgh regarding Chicago.
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This is all we need to know.
Will Keenan Allen or DJ Moore get "Ohio State open" in the NFL? Nope. Would Justin be able adjust to that? He had 3 years to prove that he could, and he stood there and held the ball, or just took off and ran.
Maybe Caleb will suck. Maybe he won't. But Justin had 3 years to prove he could play. He was so good the Bears got a 6th (conditional 4th) for him. Not great, Bob.
And, it's well documented that he was a moody bitch. People said they didn't know what they were going to get day to day with him.
I thought you were leaving.
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This. And Field's has already made some shitty comments that have been made public while in Pittsburgh regarding Chicago.
Such as?
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I thought you were leaving.
Do you want me to? You can talk to yourself if you want. Totally up to you.
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I really don't need to be here. I'm just as happy not being here, truth be told.
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Do you want me to? You can talk to yourself if you want. Totally up to you.
It’s up to you. But you said a half dozen times or more you were.
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Personally, I think I’d rather you stay.
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It’s up to you. But you said a half dozen times or more you were.
Well, I'm here. I spent a hell of a lot of time on here the other day, to my detriment because I fell behind at work lol. I'll be around. No worries.
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Such as?
It was provided here previously. Do you even read what is said here? As time elapses it’s like you forget everything and tell us to provide a link and such. It’s kind of your way of “escaping” everything/accountability you said in here because we won’t go back through here and link “proof.” But here you go…
https://steelersdepot.com/2024/06/after-3-years-in-chicago-justin-fields-realizes-you-dont-get-this-culture-everywhere/
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It was provided here previously. Do you even read what is said here? As time elapses it’s like you forget everything and tell us to provide a link and such. It’s kind of your way of “escaping” everything/accountability you said in here because we won’t go back through here and link “proof.” But here you go…
https://steelersdepot.com/2024/06/after-3-years-in-chicago-justin-fields-realizes-you-dont-get-this-culture-everywhere/
That’s it?
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Chicago hasn’t always had a great culture, but they are changing the narrative now. So damning!
(https://i.postimg.cc/MTBnffxh/IMG-8527.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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This is all we need to know.
Will Keenan Allen or DJ Moore get "Ohio State open" in the NFL? Nope. Would Justin be able adjust to that? He had 3 years to prove that he could, and he stood there and held the ball, or just took off and ran.
Maybe Caleb will suck. Maybe he won't. But Justin had 3 years to prove he could play. He was so good the Bears got a 6th (conditional 4th) for him. Not great, Bob.
And, it's well documented that he was a moody bitch. People said they didn't know what they were going to get day to day with him.
Well typed, Jobu
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Talk about nitpicking.
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A player is complimenting his new team over his last team. Surely, that’s a first!
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Talk about nitpicking.
If you can, we can too!
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Again, I don’t see anything wrong with going over a prospect with a fine tooth comb.
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Again, I don’t see anything wrong with going over a prospect with a fine tooth comb.
Or trading one who couldn’t cut it here after three years, and was traded for a sixth-round pick!
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Or trading one who couldn’t cut it here after three years, and was traded for a sixth-round pick!
One who was set up to fail.
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They were tanking. Which you were fine with.
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I mean, let's be real. Fields wasn't Poles' guy. The minute Poles got here, Fields was on the clock. He needed to perform, and perform well to keep the job.
He didn't. Wins or losses, talent around him or not, he didn't get it done. Is what it is. Maybe he'll be Justin Fields Bradshaw in Pittsburgh. I doubt it, but he might. He wasn't going to get it done here. He had time to show it, and he didn't show it well enough.
Poles has done some things I haven't agreed with, like the whole Velus Jones thing. But I'm fine with how he's handled the quarterback position.
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They were tanking. Which you were fine with.
Sort of. Yes, I was ok with doing what it took to get the salary cap under control. I don’t think Poles’ original plan was “to tank.” He was trying to patch holes, but his one year tryouts all failed.
They still failed him by not signing/drafting adequate help. And I’d argue they failed him massively by giving him an unproven coordinator with an unproven defensive head coach.
Also, there was the Pace regime, they weren’t “tanking,” and they failed him too. And again, that’s not to say there weren’t things Justin couldn’t have done better to help himself. And he’s gotten nowhere near the support Caleb has gotten from day 1.
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But yes, I was 100% behind losing out when it was obvious they sucked anyway.
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Mn would have preferred they won an extra game and drafted 5th instead of having the #1 pick and trading it for a haul.
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Sort of. Yes, I was ok with doing what it took to get the salary cap under control. I don’t think Poles’ original plan was “to tank.” He was trying to patch holes, but his one year tryouts all failed.
They still failed him by not signing/drafting adequate help. And I’d argue they failed him massively by giving him an unproven coordinator with an unproven defensive head coach.
Also, there was the Pace regime, they weren’t “tanking,” and they failed him too. And again, that’s not to say there weren’t things Justin couldn’t have done better to help himself. And he’s gotten nowhere near the support Caleb has gotten from day 1.
This and tanking was Poles plan all along. He saw Fields wasn’t gonna cut it. You can evaluate a QB without adequate players around them and know if they are/aren’t the guy. NFL teams do it all the time.
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It’s obvious Poles was never fully committed to Fields, and seeing as how he inherited him; not all that surprising.
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It’s obvious Poles was never fully committed to Fields, and seeing as how he inherited him; not all that surprising.
Whaaaa! My favorite QB sucks. It's so unfair! Whaaaaa!
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It’s obvious Poles was never fully committed to Fields, and seeing as how he inherited him; not all that surprising.
You seem upset about that 🤔 he did what was best for the Chicago Bears’ future, not Justin Fields. That’s his job and responsibility. He even tried to assist Fields and seemed to like him personally. The situation is what it is. It appears Poles has done a fantastic job at this rebuild and we are set up for years of success due to that. I don’t know how you can be upset about that.
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I never said I was upset about where the Bears are at. I’ve said the opposite.
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Bagent sliced and diced the Bill backups. Fields sucked as usual against the Bill backups. Yeah, Poles made the right call dumping that whiny POS cancer for the Mullet QB.
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Bagent sliced and diced the Bill backups. Fields sucked as usual against the Bill backups. Yeah, Poles made the right call dumping that whiny POS cancer for the Mullet QB.
*sniff sniff* walks away from stinky bait
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*sniff sniff* walks away from stinky bait
You made the right move, since Bagent > Fields.
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Bagent still better than Fields
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(https://i.postimg.cc/WbpwF2hv/IMG-8838.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/23JZgNQc)
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I’m not sure what’s stronger. The Fields cult or Scientology.
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I’m not sure what’s stronger. The Fields cult or Scientology.
Both filled with losers with no reason to live other than the Cult.
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This would seem to kill the narrative Pickens is unhappy with Fields.
(https://i.postimg.cc/TPCR8sfs/IMG-8881.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KK3XBJK7)
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This would seem to kill the narrative Pickens is unhappy with Fields.
(https://i.postimg.cc/TPCR8sfs/IMG-8881.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KK3XBJK7)
LOL. Yes, he's going to MF the starting QB...
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LOL. Yes, he's going to MF the starting QB...
A couple of weeks ago he was clearly unhappy and letting it be known. According to you, anyway.
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He literally said Fields is the only one that “can take over a game.” Wilson is still on the roster.
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Give it time. We all know how Fields can't read a defense.
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Don't call him Wilson. You don't know him like that. Call him Russ or Dangerruss. But don't fucking call him Wilson.
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😬
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Don't call him Wilson. You don't know him like that. Call him Russ or Dangerruss. But don't fucking call him Wilson.
C+
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C+
Oh, come on. That was pretty fucking funny.
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C+
No way
A- minimum
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Oh, come on. That was pretty fucking funny.
Would have gotten a higher grade if it were based on something I had said, as opposed to someone else. Best I can do is a B-.
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Would have gotten a higher grade if it were based on something I had said, as opposed to someone else. Best I can do is a B-.
You're saying that assuming I was attacking you lol. I wasn't. It was a joke. A funny one.
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You're saying that assuming I was attacking you lol. I wasn't. It was a joke. A funny one.
Great point. It’s that victim mentality.
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I laughed my ass off when I saw it btw! 😂
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I laughed my ass off when I saw it btw! 😂
Good! I thought it was funny too. I really wasn't going after Tempo, or his feels. I guess anytime I make a post making fun of Bernstein or the Score, I need to be prepared for Tempo to take it personally.
Oh well. I tried.
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Good! I thought it was funny too. I really wasn't going after Tempo, or his feels. I guess anytime I make a post making fun of Bernstein or the Score, I need to be prepared for Tempo to take it personally.
Oh well. I tried.
He’s so vain and just trying to pick a fight with you lol.
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He’s so vain and just trying to pick a fight with you lol.
Eh. Wanna know a secret? If I really want to get into it with him, it's super easy to do. The weird stuff comes up when he gets offended after benign comments.
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Lol
“Lawrence Holmes doesn’t like being called Larry because that’s not his name.”
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Speaking of Larry, did he leave the show?
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Don’t think so. Vacation maybe?
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Speaking of Larry, did he leave the show?
He’s going down with Diddy…
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https://steelersdepot.com/2024/09/gruden-justin-fields-is-like-watching-a-rollercoaster/
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Fields just threw a 55 yard TD pass. He looks good today.
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Good for him
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Good for him
Exactly. No way in hell was ANY team gonna pick up that 5th-year option at that cost to keep him…
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Exactly. No way in hell was ANY team gonna pick up that 5th-year option at that cost to keep him…
Lol are you kidding? Unless things go sour they are absolutely picking it up. They are 3-0 and pretty happy right now.
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TD now go for 2. Oh wait now that doesn’t matter
Stop being a homo know it all!
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Stop being a homo know it all!
Lol
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If Fields does well, it helps the Bears. Like I said, good for him.
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Lol
https://x.com/chicago_nfl/status/1837951137623765150?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Lol
https://x.com/chicago_nfl/status/1837951137623765150?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Yay. As Mully said on 670. A lot of empty yards. And they lost. And the offense largely sucked despite the passing yardage.
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How many 52 yard attempt games did Justin get here? I’m gonna guess zero.
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How many 52 yard attempt games did Justin get here? I’m gonna guess zero.
Because he can’t pass. You want a QB to QB.
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How many 52 yard attempt games did Justin get here? I’m gonna guess zero.
He would just run it if the first look was covered.
11th most yards in Bear history in his third game. He'll be fine with a new coach and GM next year.
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Because he can’t pass. You want a QB to QB.
IDK looking pretty steady and efficient despite a bad Oline and lower-tier weaponry around him. Had a few nice throws over the middle, too. Not saying he’s all-world, but he’s not nearly as bad as you guys say.
(https://i.postimg.cc/L6WFwnby/IMG-8948.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dLGfTtvd)
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Fields is a hell of a lot better passer than Anthony Richardson is. I was appalled by AR in the passing game (and even more appalled to lose to him).
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IDK looking pretty steady and efficient despite a bad Oline and lower-tier weaponry around him. Had a few nice throws over the middle, too. Not saying he’s all-world, but he’s not nearly as bad as you guys say.
(https://i.postimg.cc/L6WFwnby/IMG-8948.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dLGfTtvd)
He's the same regular ass mid guy he was in Chicago. He won't lose you games if your defense doesn't give up 20+ points, and can't win them if they do.
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He's the same regular ass mid guy he was in Chicago. He won't lose you games if your defense doesn't give up 20+ points, and can't win them if they do.
Once again, there’s a talent deficiency he’s playing with. Not just any QB is going 3-0 with that group. He’s got Pickens and a bunch of below average dudes.
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I'm surprised you'd say that! :)
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Once again, there’s a talent deficiency he’s playing with. Not just any QB is going 3-0 with that group. He’s got Pickens and a bunch of below average dudes.
Just tell Spark to go fuck himself.
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Fields is a hell of a lot better passer than Anthony Richardson is. I was appalled by AR in the passing game (and even more appalled to lose to him).
I agree with that.
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He's the same regular ass mid guy he was in Chicago. He won't lose you games if your defense doesn't give up 20+ points, and can't win them if they do.
And that.
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I'm surprised you'd say that! :)
And not that. But I know you were being facetious.
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The most the Steelers have given up this year is 10, and the most they've scored is 20.
It's pretty rich to give their QB a lot of credit for that, beyond what I said - that he hasn't lost them games.
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And not that. But I know you were being facetious.
Oh just wait until he rips your ass again. Lol
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I hope Fields continues to do ok. It helps the Bears.
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I hope Fields continues to do ok. It helps the Bears.
Definitely agree with this - and not just because it helps the Bears. Fields seems like a good dude, I hope he finds success. I've definitely got nothing against him personally, but the decision last year wasn't a very difficult one.
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I don’t care about Fields, or really any of these guys, on a personal level. I don’t fucking know them.
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Once again, there’s a talent deficiency he’s playing with. Not just any QB is going 3-0 with that group. He’s got Pickens and a bunch of below average dudes.
LOL. They showed a graphic on the Lion Cardinal game that Fields has the third longest time to throw in the league so far. So much for the Steeler line stinks narrative. Also, tons of YAC today but Tempo claims the Steeler receivers suck too.
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LOL. They showed a graphic on the Lion Cardinal game that Fields has the third longest time to throw in the league so far. So much for the Steeler line stinks narrative. Also, tons of YAC today but Tempo claims the Steeler receivers suck too.
And yet they are benching guys mid game. Seems to contradict PAMan’s critical stat.
https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/pittsburgh-steelers-line-change-chargers
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And yet they are benching guys mid game. Seems to contradict PAMan’s critical stat.
https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/pittsburgh-steelers-line-change-chargers
Or, the Steeler have standards as opposed to dumbfucks like Poles and Eberlose.
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From the article:
Pittsburgh has played 3 rookies on the OL probably not ideal.
(https://i.postimg.cc/G22nTdD8/IMG-8955.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Great day for Tempo
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Great day for Tempo
Not really. I’d much rather the Bears won.
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Not really. I’d much rather the Bears won.
Yeah right
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From the article:
Pittsburgh has played 3 rookies on the OL probably not ideal.
(https://i.postimg.cc/G22nTdD8/IMG-8955.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
The rookie C has apparently played well. Not that Poles cares about OL.
And yet, Fields has had the 3rd most amout of time to throw on average in the league. Seems like it is ideal.
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The rookie center looks like a stud. But if a rookie center is your best lineman you’re probably not a good OL
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Yeah right
Yeah, I’m a Bears fan. Long time now.
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Yeah, I’m a Bears fan. Long time now.
Yeah, me too. I’m just really glad Justin played well for you today.
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Not bad for a wingback.
(https://i.postimg.cc/qv64h3Ph/IMG-8976.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pmvg3pXR)
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Yeah, he had a good day.
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Haha, that's kinda dumb. I mean, one is from a 3 year sample size. The other is from a 3 game sample size. There's really nothing to take out of that...
Unless you're dumb.
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Haha, that's kinda dumb. I mean, one is from a 3 year sample size. The other is from a 3 game sample size. There's really nothing to take out of that...
Unless you're dumb.
By the same token I think we all can recognize the fact that some franchises can take chicken shit and turn it into chicken salad, and vice versa. And we all know which bucket these two franchises fall into.
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Haha, that's kinda dumb. I mean, one is from a 3 year sample size. The other is from a 3 game sample size. There's really nothing to take out of that...
Unless you're dumb.
It is what it is. It’s obviously missing a lot of context. But still not bad for a guy who isn’t an NFL quarterback.
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By the same token I think we all can recognize the fact that some franchises can take chicken shit and turn it into chicken salad, and vice versa. And we all know which bucket these two franchises fall into.
That's fair. I'm just not ready to call Fields chicken salad quite yet. He's had a decent start, good game yesterday, but there's a lot of football yet to be played.
I mean, we had to wait a minimum of 30 games before we could judge him here, for fuck's sake. Now it's ok after 3 games in Pittsburgh?
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That's fair. I'm just not ready to call Fields chicken salad quite yet. He's had a decent start, good game yesterday, but there's a lot of football yet to be played.
I mean, we had to wait a minimum of 30 games before we could judge him here, for fuck's sake. Now it's ok after 3 games in Pittsburgh?
Good point…
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I mean, we had to wait a minimum of 30 games before we could judge him here, for fuck's sake. Now it's ok after 3 games in Pittsburgh?
This is a rhetorical question, right?
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This is a rhetorical question, right?
That Tempo needs to answer!
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I’ve never made the case Fields is an elite QB at the NFL level (I can hear the loud harrumphing from some of you as I type this). My only point is that Fields is doing pretty good for a guy “who isn’t an NFL quarterback, or ever going to be one.”
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I’ve never made the case Fields is an elite QB at the NFL level (I can hear the loud harrumphing from some of you as I type this). My only point is that Fields is doing pretty good for a guy “who isn’t an NFL quarterback, or ever going to be one.”
He's doing well. He's had a good first 3 weeks. Let's see more.
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We could put this entire argument/thread to bed forever if ThePAMan is willing to say. “I exaggerated how bad Fields was, he’s an NFL quarterback,” I’ll promise not to ever post in this thread again. To quote David Lee Roth, “I’ll wait.”
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The only reason I care about Justin Fields and how he is doing in Pittsburgh is because if he plays at least 51% of the offensive snaps, he gets the Bears a 4th instead of a 6th.
He was drafted as a 1st. So, we're still losing on the deal. But 4th is better than 6th.
He's an NFL quarterback. He's playing it right now. I'll say it. I hope he continues through this year. But I don't care about him other than that.
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We could put this entire argument/thread to bed forever if ThePAMan is willing to say. “I exaggerated how bad Fields was, he’s an NFL quarterback,” I’ll promise not to ever post in this thread again. To quote David Lee Roth, “I’ll wait.”
Fields is a pussy, we know that. He is doing well so far throwing to receivers who are HS wide open. Give him credit for that.
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Sounds like PAMan is giving him credit. That's progress.
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Fields is a pussy, we know that. He is doing well so far throwing to receivers who are HS wide open. Give him credit for that.
Lololololol
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Sounds like PAMan is giving him credit. That's progress.
(https://i.postimg.cc/5tmSz6BV/IMG-8986.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QBH7GNY4)
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Lololololol
I'm sure even Sam Darnold is jealous so far of the time Fields has to throw and how the Steeler receivers can get HS wide open.
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He did give him credit.
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He did give him credit.
He literally called him a pussy, and said he was getting the ball to receivers that are “high school open.”
That would be akin to your boss calling you a fucking loser but hey, at least you got your project done on time. so I guess your boss is giving you “credit” in that scenario.
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He literally called him a pussy, and said he was getting the ball to receivers that are “high school open.”
That would be akin to your boss calling you a fucking loser but hey, at least you got your project done on time. so I guess your boss is giving you “credit” in that scenario.
Is PAMan Justin’s boss? Lol, you’re so fucking weird.
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Is PAMan Justin’s boss? Lol, you’re so fucking weird.
Of course, I never said that. What’s weird is you implying I did. just drawing an analogy of an instance where someone would be giving someone else “credit.”
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Of course, I never said that. What’s weird is you implying I did. just drawing an analogy of an instance where someone would be giving someone else “credit.”
Why do you take PA Man calling Justin a pussy so personally? Do you think Justin cares if you defend him? lol.
And, once again, I was obviously making a fucking joke. How autistic are you?
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Here is my hot take:
Fields will play well in the Steeler system where he is not asked to do much except go down field 2 to 3 favorable times in a game as they will generally play with a lead and favorable field position due to their D. Some shithead GM will then give him a shitload of money when he becomes a FA. That team will then soon regret the signing as Fields will think the Steeler success was due to how great he is and God.
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PAMan really hates Christians who profess their faith.
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But that’s ok, I kind of do, too.
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With Belichick being Spark’s only approved football expert, he will not be happy to hear this!
https://steelersdepot.com/2024/09/belichick-is-not-worried-about-steelers-qb-situation-they-might-have-the-best-one-in-the-league/
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Spark can go fuck himself
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But that’s ok, I kind of do, too.
For fuck’s sake, you worship the messiah Justin Fields.
You also declared there is no God.
Pick a lane already.
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I’m happy for Tempo. He needed this. It’s as good as a wide open 294.
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The fact that no one here challenged this is amazing.
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Trevor Lawrence = Daniel Jones.
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Or they dont want to argue with a cultist about who the bears traded away for a 6th rounder
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Trevor Lawrence = Daniel Jones.
Oof.
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Oof.
Look at the stats.
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Or they dont want to argue with a cultist about who the bears traded away for a 6th rounder
Cultist? All Ive ever said is that Fields’ Flor is a legitimate NFL starter with the chance to get better and ascend into the higher ranks. So far that is tracking.
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Or they dont want to argue with a cultist about who the bears traded away for a 6th rounder
Could be a 4th!
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Cultist? All Ive ever said is that Fields’ Flor is a legitimate NFL starter with the chance to get better and ascend into the higher ranks. So far that is tracking.
That's true. He's playing the position.
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Could be a 4th!
Let’s hope. And let’s spend it on a guard. That would make ThePAMan happy. Me, too.
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Let’s hope. And let’s spend it on a guard. That would make ThePAMan happy. Me, too.
Yes. That sounds great to me.
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Trevor Lawrence = Daniel Jones.
Right now, that’s accurate. He had a good 2022, but outside of that he’s not been that impressive. Even chatter he could get benched for Mac Jones.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/LskJPsH7/IMG-9026.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gwJcFmLq)
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Right now, that’s accurate. He had a good 2022, but outside of that he’s not been that impressive. Even chatter he could get benched for Mac Jones.
Yeah, if you get benched for Mac Jones, you're done. I don't think he's done quite yet, but he maybe had a lot of undeserved hype. I mean, the dude lost like one or two games ever before going to Jax. It had to be hard for him to deal with that.
I dunno. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I think Trevor, and Daniel Jones, for that matter is a starter. But the league is deficient on great QBs. So its whatever.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/LskJPsH7/IMG-9026.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gwJcFmLq)
I don't believe that. But I don't know.
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I have never heard anything that resembles that Trevor Lawrence's priority is not football. That's kinda crazy, tbh.
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Cultist? All Ive ever said is that Fields’ Flor is a legitimate NFL starter with the chance to get better and ascend into the higher ranks. So far that is tracking.
334 pages and counting of you defending him kind of sends some signals ya know
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334 pages and counting of you defending him kind of sends some signals ya know
Eh. Tempo has said what he has said. He's been more in on Fields than the rest of us. He could be right about him. We'll see.
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334 pages and counting of you defending him kind of sends some signals ya know
Meh, I’m a Bears fan. And I went to bat for a guy who I think has lots of ability and wasn’t adequately supported (a Bears QB not adequately supported, say it ain’t so!), and was unjustly scapegoated. What else should we argue about? D’Andre Swifts vision, or lack thereof?
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https://steelersdepot.com/2024/09/tidal-wave-of-support-inside-steelers-building-for-justin-fields-says-insider/
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PAMan calls BS:
(https://i.postimg.cc/vBL1J1bm/IMG-9068.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wyMTJjtK)
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PAMan calls BS:
(https://i.postimg.cc/vBL1J1bm/IMG-9068.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wyMTJjtK)
The ultimate game manager praising a game manager...
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367 yards and 3 TDs is pretty good game manager production!
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367 yards and 3 TDs is pretty good game manager production!
I think Fields has been fine and was plenty good today, but funny to watch how wildly your standards shift based on whether the person involved is Fields or not.
You simply would not hear any statistically based argument regarding Fields for all of last year, and now he puts up big numbers in a loss and you're lauding him for it.
It's extremely transparent, but funny.
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WTF are you talking about?
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I’m terribly baffled by the “shifting standards” comment. I honestly don’t even know what he means by that.
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Are you comparing Caleb’s 52 attempt 3 turnover 2 TD game to Fields’ 34 attempt 3 TD 1 turnover game? That’s the only thing I can think of regarding that comment. And I’ve not been overly critical of Caleb. Everyone around him has been pretty trash.
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I’m terribly baffled by the “shifting standards” comment. I honestly don’t even know what he means by that.
Of course you are, because as always your entire thing is to pretend other people can't remember previous times you've talked to them.
Last year, Fields had NUMEROUS extremely mediocre, unproductive games. After every single one of them you blamed everyone else, insisted that statistics don't matter. You mocked me for pointing out his passing numbers weren't good, even putting "You should see my passer rating" in your profile to this day. Now you're here lauding his stats in a loss, the first time this year his offense has scored above the league average. When Fields has bad stats, stats don't matter - but when he has good stats, you're the first dude here to brag on them.
Fields is not the kind of guy, over 40+ NFL starts, who has shown he can win you football games. If you don't ask a lot of him he won't lose you games with an elite defense and great coaching - which was the same guy we saw here, for the most part. People have been gushing about him for winning this year even though his offense coming into this week was bottom-10 in points, yards, and passing yards. The offense he leads has been extremely similar in production to the much-maligned Bears offense. To his credit, he hasn't been asked to do a lot, and has mostly met the challenges - but he is by no means setting the world on fire this year.
When he loses, you blame his defense - no thought to the fact that he has three wins so far where his offense didn't reach the league average points, but his defense gave up 10 or fewer.
The Fields thing is truly the weirdest thing I've ever seen in all of sports.
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I don’t ever recall saying statistics don’t matter. I have said they don’t always tell the whole story. Such as Mahomes v Trubisky.
Again, you haven’t been around. I’ve given the Steelers defense and their “formula” a lot credit. Fields was just doing what Tomlin wants him to do. I’ve said a million times Fields needed to help himself by playing better, but yes, I said it’s hard to play well when no one else around you is. I’ve given Caleb the same grade as well. I’ve been very gentle in my criticism of Caleb, because 1) He’s a rookie 2) Everyone around him as mostly sucked. But there’s been times he’s missed some layups, just like Justin did.
I’ve never once said anything other that I feel Justin can be a legitimate franchise quarterback if you support him adequately, and give him the proper coaching. Well he’s getting better coaching and getting nearly universal praise now. No, he’s not Allen or Mahomes. Probably won’t ever be.
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You've had "You should see my passer rating", a phrase mocking people for pointing out that Fields' production had not been good, in your profile for a year now - but sure, you definitely never said stats don't matter!
He's getting universal praise now, despite leading an offense near the bottom of the league in almost every category. That's kind of exactly my point. If my math is right, the Steelers' offense has scored 4 more points than the Bears' offense through four games and the Bears' offense has gotten near universal criticism - and rightfully so, it's been bad and unproductive! The difference is that the Bears' defense have given up only slightly less than the league average, and the Steelers have given up less than half of the league average per game.
Fields has 3 wins this year on the back of elite defensive play, but when the defense gives up 27 the loss is on them. Sure, fair enough - but the three wins are on them too, not Fields or the offense.
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I really don’t know what you guys think I’ve said re: Justin. All I’ve ever said is that I think he can still be good, and that a lot of the problems weren’t all on him. Just as a lot of the Bears’ current problems aren’t all on Caleb. I’ve never once made the case Justin was a polished franchise quarterback. Not one time.
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There isn’t one football expert who will tell you that Caleb has played better or equal to Justin Fields this year. The Bears have a lot more talent on offense than the Steelers do. Van Jefferson would the the #5 receiver here, not the #2. Then again, there’s no such thing as a “football expert” so I guess the point is moot. Fields has largely done what Tomlin wants him to do. And anyone that’s watched any of their games knows he’s had multiple big plays called back because of penalties.
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LOL. I'd take Pickens over any Chicago receiver at this point. He makes difficult catches and knows how to push off without getting caught. I'd take Friermuth simply because he blocks and does not false start 5x a game, as opposed to All Pro Kmet. The Steeler OL looks far better than the Bear, and the snaps are at least to the QB even if they hit Fields in the head.
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FFS, I sure hope if he’s an NFL starter he’s played better after 40+ starts than a rookie has. To even compare the two is ridiculous.
If Caleb looks like Fields did in year 3 there will be a lot of calls to move on from him too, as there should be.
Thusfar I haven’t seen anything that’d make me think the Bears made the wrong decision, or anything close to that. Caleb pretty clearly has a sky high ceiling, and I don’t think Fields’ ceiling is much higher than we’ve seen in his first 40 games.
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I really don’t know what you guys think I’ve said re: Justin. All I’ve ever said is that I think he can still be good, and that a lot of the problems weren’t all on him. Just as a lot of the Bears’ current problems aren’t all on Caleb. I’ve never once made the case Justin was a polished franchise quarterback. Not one time.
He threw for 300 yards today! Although it should not count (like his end of the half INTs should never count) since he was over the LOS on one of those throws but it was not reviewed (except on TV).
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FFS, I sure hope if he’s an NFL starter he’s played better after 40+ starts than a rookie has. To even compare the two is ridiculous.
If Caleb looks like Fields did in year 3 there will be a lot of calls to move on from him too, as there should be.
Thusfar I haven’t seen anything that’d make me think the Bears made the wrong decision, or anything close to that. Caleb pretty clearly has a sky high ceiling, and I don’t think Fields’ ceiling is much higher than we’ve seen in his first 40 games.
Well you compared the offenses, which is a defacto comparison. Fields has played well this year, despite not running a lot and playing on an offense that’s probably bottom 6 in talent. As opposed to the Bears top 6 in talent.
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Well you compared the offenses, which is a defacto comparison. Fields has played well this year, despite not running a lot and playing on an offense that’s probably bottom 6 in talent. As opposed to the Bears top 6 in talent.
We have seen zilch for you to claim the Bear have top 6 talent. That is patently absurd, but par for the course.
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He threw for 300 yards today! Although it should not count (like his end of the half INTs should never count) since he was over the LOS on one of those throws but it was not reviewed (except on TV).
One of those end of half INTs was literally not caught by the defender and the other was kicked to a defender after Darnell Mooney dropped it. Hail Mary’s are the very definition of 50/50 balls. It’s not on the quarterback if those get intercepted. Unless you’re a moron.
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One of those end of half INTs was literally not caught by the defender and the other was kicked to a defender after Darnell Mooney dropped it. Hail Mary’s are the very definition of 50/50 balls. It’s not on the quarterback if those get intercepted. Unless you’re a moron.
Should we count the INT that would have happened on the last Steeler play today but for the fact it was fourth down so the Colt just, smartly, batted it down?
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Well you compared the offenses, which is a defacto comparison. Fields has played well this year, despite not running a lot and playing on an offense that’s probably bottom 6 in talent. As opposed to the Bears top 6 in talent.
I compared how he has been universally praised, and the Bears’ offense has been universally criticized, for extremely similar production.
Bragging that he’s better in starts 39-42 than Caleb has been in starts 1-4 (ignoring that their production has been similar) is wild, but on brand. Thats how standards work with you and Fields. Whatever makes him look good - if he doesn’t produce much but wins because his defense gives up 10, praise - his stats don’t matter, they won! And if he puts up big numbers but still only slightly above average production in terms of points and they lose - sure but did you see his stats?
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We have seen zilch for you to claim the Bear have top 6 talent. Thath is patently absurd, but par for the course.
On paper, absolutely they do. Many people said the Bears have the top WR trio in the league. It’s (the offense) at the very worst top 10. And that’s 20 spots higher than was Justin was usually working with.
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There isn’t a person who covers football who think the Steelers are a talented offensive team. They are at best top 22. That’s being generous IMO.
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On paper, absolutely they do. Many people said the Bears have the top WR trio in the league. It’s (the offense) at the very worst top 10. And that’s 20 spots higher than was Justin was usually working with.
Links?
Bear receivers aren't as wide open as Steeler receivers. Then again, the Steeler receivers run their routes hard, unlike Lazy Rich DJ Moore.
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There isn’t a person who covers football who think the Steelers are a talented offensive team. They are at best top 22. That’s being generous IMO.
Yet before today, Fields was top 3 in time to throw.
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Again, I don’t know what you guys think I’ve said about Justin other than he’s a dynamic talent that I think can still be really good if given adequate support. I’ve never once said he’s a polished franchise QB.
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Yet before today, Fields was top 3 in time to throw.
Lolololololololololololololol
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The denigration of those around Fields' (teammates and/or coaches) to prop him up is Tempo Standard though.
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Lolololololololololololololol
CBS Sports would not lie on their graphics
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Now even CBS Sports is a Tempo Target!
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The denigration of those around Fields' (teammates and/or coaches) to prop him up is Tempo Standard though.
By and large it’s been bad (teammates/coaches). Facts are facts.
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By and large it’s been bad (teammates/coaches). Facts are facts.
LOL.
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Custard, should an anti CBS sign be added to the Tempo Fields Shrine?
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LOL.
2022 was atrocious. 2023 was marginally better. 2024 is probably in between.
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Slight bump to 2024 because of Tomlin and perhaps Arthur Smith, I suppose.
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2022 was atrocious. 2023 was marginally better. 2024 is probably in between.
Yet, only this week you turned on Eberlose.
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Slight bump to 2024 because of Tomlin and perhaps Arthur Smith, I suppose.
And the Steeler GM for drafting OL!
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Yet, only this week you turned on Eberlose.
They were literally in rebuild mode until this year (and obviously aren’t done). I don’t expect Flus to win with scraps. He’s not Tony Stark. I gave him some benefit of the doubt.
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They were literally in rebuild mode until this year (and obviously aren’t done). I don’t expect Flus to win with scraps. He’s not Tony Stark. I gave him some benefit of the doubt.
Yet we are still seeing the same crap each year.
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LOL. I'd take Pickens over any Chicago receiver at this point.
I just read that Pickens had a red zone fumble, and dropped a TD pass today. Fields’ fault, I’m sure.
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I just read that Pickens had a red zone fumble, and dropped a TD pass today. Fields’ fault, I’m sure.
That's going to happen. At least he ran the routes all the way through. Can't say that about the Bear receivers.
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LOL. I'd take Pickens over any Chicago receiver at this point.
I just read that Pickens had a red zone fumble, and dropped a TD pass today. Fields’ fault, I’m sure.
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I blame Fields.
https://x.com/theponiexpress/status/1840454671141343453?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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I just read that Pickens had a red zone fumble, and dropped a TD pass today. Fields’ fault, I’m sure.
Yeah, we know you read that.
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That's going to happen. At least he ran the routes all the way through. Can't say that about the Bear receivers.
Oh, so mistakes are allowable unless they are made by Justin Fields.
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Yeah, we know you read that.
Accidental double post.
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Nice catch, George!
https://x.com/shadybiev/status/1840476235732050283?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Oh, so mistakes are allowable unless they are made by Justin Fields.
When it is the same mistakes over and over again?
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Josh Allen enters the chat.
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Nice catch, George!
https://x.com/shadybiev/status/1840476235732050283?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Are you counting it for Fields' stats?
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Josh Allen enters the chat.
Wait. You are seriously comparing Fields to Allen?
Delusional.
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Are you counting it for Fields' stats?
No, I don’t need to lie to make my points.
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Wait. You are seriously comparing Fields to Allen?
Delusional.
The most predictable response ever. No. The point is Josh Allen made tons of mistakes his first several years, but you lived with them because of the upside. I’ve never once tried to make the case Justin Fields was going to win game after game playing mistake free football.
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No, I don’t need to lie to make my points.
Sorry you are unable to comprehend the term "turnover on downs." I mean you are a self'proclaimed football expert.
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The most predictable response ever. No. The point is Josh Allen made tons of mistakes his first several years, but you lived with them because of the upside. I’ve never once tried to make the case Justin Fields was going to win game after game playing mistake free football.
So you are comparing the two. LOL. You have to be fucking kidding us. That is stupid and delusional!
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You didn’t call it a turnover on downs. You tried to classify it as a “turnover.” Specifically attributed to Fields, and not the entire offense.
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You didn’t call it a turnover on downs. You tried to classify it as a “turnover.” Specifically attributed to Fields, and not the entire offense.
I called it a turnover, which it was. Plus, he fumbled the snap off his head to make it 1st and 22, then on 4th down he threw the ball to the Colt who had it intercepted but opted for the turnover on downs and the field position. So, yeah, he fucked up the end of the game for the Steeler and turned the ball over in the clutch.
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We all know what you meant.
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We all know what you meant.
Apparently you didn't. But I understand why a layman such as yourself would be confused.
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No one refers to a turnover on downs as a “turnover” on the quarterback. Only disingenuous people do that.
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No one refers to a turnover on downs as a “turnover” on the quarterback. Only disingenuous people do that.
It is a turnover. It is is the name itself. It is just not an interception or fumble. In this instance it was on him directly.
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No one who watches football regularly would equate a turnover on downs with a turnover like a fumble or interception.
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The Watt brothers like what they see from
JF2.
https://nextimpulsesports.com/nfl/jj-watt-russell-wilson-thinks-justin-fields-keeps-improving/
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(https://i.postimg.cc/Zn00sV3z/IMG-9115.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bSczs03m)
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We get prime time Justin Fields tonight! Haha should be a good night for someone on the XQ.
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We get prime time Justin Fields tonight! Haha should be a good night for someone on the XQ.
Parsons out. Fields should light the Cowboy up!
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Parsons out. Fields should light the Cowboy up!
Definitely helps.
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Definitely helps.
He's going to have all the time in the world with those great receivers!
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He's going to have all the time in the world with those great receivers!
Bet you couldn’t name 3 of them without looking it up.
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Friermouth, Pickens I can name
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Friermouth, Pickens I can name
That’s an All-Pro group if there ever was one. You failed to name 3.
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That’s an All-Pro group if there ever was one. You failed to name 3.
I cant name 3 on 28 other teams either
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I cant name 3 on 28 other teams either
The guy who watches 4 games at once can’t name 3 receivers on a team he watches literally every week? I promise you you’ve watched more Steelers than I have because you’re always giving me updates on what Fields is doing 😂
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How bout don’t let guys run wide open down the field.
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Oops wrong thread.
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The guy who watches 4 games at once can’t name 3 receivers on a team he watches literally every week? I promise you you’ve watched more Steelers than I have because you’re always giving me updates on what Fields is doing 😂
No, I can't. Well, I guess I can name Jennings, Auick (sp), Deebo and Kittle.
I have on 6 games at once during the early games.
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No, I can't. Well, I guess I can name Jennings, Auick (sp), Deebo and Kittle.
I have on 6 games at once during the early games.
You’re clearly watching the Steelers every week. You should be able to name more than 2 receivers. But you can’t. Because they aren’t that good.
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You’re clearly watching the Steelers every week. You should be able to name more than 2 receivers. But you can’t. Because they aren’t that good.
You tell us all about games you don’t watch. Why can’t he?!
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You tell us all about games you don’t watch. Why can’t he?!
Wut. He literally updates me the minute Fields has a miscue. He’s clearly watching them.
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Wut. He literally updates me the minute Fields has a miscue. He’s clearly watching them.
They are on a quarter screen on a 24 inch TV...
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You’re clearly watching the Steelers every week. You should be able to name more than 2 receivers. But you can’t. Because they aren’t that good.
I'm not paying attention to any of the Steeler O good plays.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/Zn00sV3z/IMG-9115.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bSczs03m)
well he's playing better than 40 year old Aaron Rodgers
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They are on a quarter screen on a 24 inch TV...
Yet you never fail to immediately report a JF error, real or imagined.
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Yet you never fail to immediately report a JF error, real or imagined.
Those are always easy and numerous to spot even on a quarter screen
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He reads defenses better than Fields...
https://news.sky.com/story/prince-william-shows-off-unbelievable-arm-playing-american-football-13233956
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Game manager.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zX0c2Kqp/IMG-9204.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w7R27tys)
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Game manager.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zX0c2Kqp/IMG-9204.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w7R27tys)
LOL. Or bum ankle?
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I saw Terrell Owens of all people ball out on a “bum ankle.”
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“Bum ankle.”
(https://i.postimg.cc/6qZqMn2Q/IMG-9205.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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LOL. Or bum ankle?
Look at who his offensive coordinator and HC are.
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Look at who his offensive coordinator and HC are.
Harbaugh does want to run the ball. Especially since his defense is deficient.
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That didn’t take long! Getsy already under the microscope.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/news/will-raiders-fire-antonio-pierce-luke-getsy-tom-telesco-dismal-start/feadf9180d9195bc2b39847c
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That didn’t take long! Getsy already under the microscope.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/news/will-raiders-fire-antonio-pierce-luke-getsy-tom-telesco-dismal-start/feadf9180d9195bc2b39847c
Right about the same time Fields is as QB of the Steelers…
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41811778/steelers-mike-tomlin-consider-starting-russell-wilson-vs-jets
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If they make the change, I put the o/u at 2.5 games. Russ better have more mobility left than I think he does.
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If they make the change, I put the o/u at 2.5 games. Russ better have more mobility left than I think he does.
About what I’d put wins for the Raiders if they fired Getsy lol
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I hope they do bench Fields. I want to see how this goes.
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I hope they do bench Fields. I want to see how this goes.
I am interested as well…
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I want Fields to play, so the Bears get that 4th rounder.
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I want Fields to play, so the Bears get that 4th rounder.
Yes, the Bear need more receivers who never play.
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I want Fields to play, so the Bears get that 4th rounder.
He will. They will.
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He will. They will.
On the bright side, if the Jet do play even remotely decent defensively on a short week, it is better for the draft pick that Fields is held out of this game instead of being completely exposed as the fraud that he is this early in the season.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/L4Vbk2mZ/IMG-9214.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qgzw4fhk)
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I guess Mike Tomlin is only a great coach when he fits the narrative…
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(https://i.postimg.cc/XqcKWjYS/IMG-9215.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MfHfb8Bd)
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I think Mike Tomlin is the best in the league behind the podium. I think he’s maybe the best in the league as a “leader of men.” As a tactician and strategist, he’s pretty meh.
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Good thing we can ignore what they say since they are women talking FOOTBALL! At least there is a man there to lend the video some credence!
https://x.com/espnnfl/status/1846297554448748582?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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We like advanced metrics here, don’t we?
(https://i.postimg.cc/HnZK3Q8j/IMG-9216.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YLFbCL3w)
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Mina Kimes 😂 it’ll hurt their run game!!!
Uh he’s a Quarterback…
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Mina Kimes it’ll hurt their run game!!!
Uh he’s a Quarterback…
Are you seriously this dumb?
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(https://i.postimg.cc/W187L21c/IMG-9217.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nXsmqfm3)
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Are you seriously this dumb?
Guess Mike Tomlin is too. Never ever hear anybody say shit about how good Fields is passing the ball. It’s ALWAYS his legs and running ability.
https://x.com/937thefan/status/1846230622857023582?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Guess Mike Tomlin is too. Never ever hear anybody say shit about how good Fields is passing the ball. It’s ALWAYS his legs and running ability.
https://x.com/937thefan/status/1846230622857023582?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
(https://i.postimg.cc/25fFZV9W/IMG-9219.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XrQCM7bN)
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https://x.com/albertbreer/status/1846320589134303668?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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(https://i.postimg.cc/VsDJ9dvt/IMG-9220.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WtqpTpMp)
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Good luck behind that Oline, Russ!
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y2Wp00gk/IMG-9221.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/8zVrVVLH/IMG-9226.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bs3vQWCD)
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Someone sure is a) obsessed and b) butthurt.
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Engagement farming works
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Not butthurt, I’m confident Fields will get another shot. Probably soon. I am intrigued, though.
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It is obvious you are butthurt about what may happen.
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This is good work. 🤣
https://x.com/udontknowri/status/1846547759458820395?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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This is good work. 🤣
https://x.com/udontknowri/status/1846547759458820395?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Russ’ face. Too funny.
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Trump thanks you for your contributions to the $75m that Musk is putting into his pro-Trump PACs.
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Glad to do my small part!
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Hurts, Dak, Mayfield, Rodgers, Murray, Flacco throw to first read more than Fields.
(https://i.postimg.cc/kGQHQBbH/IMG-9234.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N20bYGb8)
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Fields will obviously get another shot at some point - Russ is 37, after all - but it's going to be really interesting to see who decides to pay him and how much.
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Russ is 35.
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But agreed, I think his next shot will likely be again in 2-3 weeks.
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It will be interesting. I’d like to see if Justin can continue to build on his improvement. He’s only been working with that offense in real games for a month and a half. If he doesn’t start another game I think he’d get a respectable two year deal somewhere.
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But agreed, I think his next shot will likely be again in 2-3 weeks.
Depends how Russ looks, I guess - he was pretty good last year, but he's getting up there.
He wouldn't have to look that great probably to have similar W/L record to Fields - their defense has been mostly awesome this year.
I'm not even sure that Russ will start this weekend, but I think it's clear unless Fields starts to look really good suddenly, they're considering making the move.
In one way, this sort of thing is why I question having two QBs who should probably be starting.
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Also for selfish reasons I also hope Fields plays more - that pick would help - but even more, I don't wish ill on the dude. I think the decision was a pretty easy one all things considered, and at this point I don't have any regrets about it, but I hope he ends up being a good QB in the league. Just not better than Caleb Williams, hahah.
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Unless Russ has more mobility left than I think he does, I don’t expect it to look very good. Russ holds the ball and likes to throw it long. Their offense isn’t built like that. I actually think a Dalton or Flacco would be a better fit for Pittsburgh because they are more likely to get it out fast.
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The offense certainly hasn't been built like that to this point - but it's at least worth considering that that was intentional based on their quarterback. Not saying I know that for sure, but we'll find out if Russ actually starts this weekend.
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I don’t think they had much of a chance to build an offense that suited either of their quarterbacks as both quarterbacks kind of fell into their laps in the offseason.
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I’m not sure what the fuck they are going though. They drafted a WR in the 3rd round and don’t even dress him.
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Did they participate in training camp?
Come on man, you can't be using that as an excuse in week 7. They had more time than Jayden Daniels and the same amount of time as Sam Darnold did and they look pretty good.
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The Vikings have Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison. And a highly competent offensive mind at HC. Pittsburgh has none of that.
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I’m saying that talent doesn’t fit Fields or Russ. But calling it “talent” is probably generous. Looks very Bears 2022 to me.
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The Vikings have Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison. And a highly competent offensive mind at HC. Pittsburgh has none of that.
You've really gotta stop with the "it's always everyone else's fault" thing regarding Fields.
Good QBs make guys better.
At some point a guy is just what he looks like he is.
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I’m saying that talent doesn’t fit Fields or Russ. But calling it “talent” is probably generous. Looks very Bears 2022 to me.
Of course.
And you couldn't judge Fields last year because he had such terrible players surrounding him like Darnell Mooney.
It's wild to still be blaming everyone else.
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You've really gotta stop with the "it's always everyone else's fault" thing regarding Fields.
Good QBs make guys better.
At some point a guy is just what he looks like he is.
You gotta stop it with the “what he has is good enough” thing. No one asks Joe Burrough to throw to Connor Heyward and Calvin Austin III regularly. And that Pittsburgh offensive line is worse than the Bears.
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You gotta stop it with the “what he has is good enough” thing. No one asks Joe Burrough to throw to Connor Heyward and Calvin Austin III regularly. And that Pittsburgh offensive line is worse than the Bears.
Fields last year had Kmet, DJ Moore, and Darnell Mooney.
But you insisted his supporting cast was SO bad that you couldn't even fairly evaluate him.
Which, coincidentally, after being traded to a 'real franchise', you are still saying. In his 45th NFL start.
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Moore is nice. Kmet is fine. Mooney was horrible last year. His Oline was meh and his coach was fucking terrible and it’s become obvious Aaron Rodgers and Matt LaFleur got Hackett and Getsy overpromoted.
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But Moore is also limited route wise. Hell of a player, but he’s not Justin Jefferson or JaMarr Chase. I’d take a DJ Moore on my team every year, though. Lots of teams have Moore, Kmet, Mooney type talent. Most teams, in fact.
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Hahahahaha, of course Tempo. Of course.
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There was nothing exceptional about last years’ Bears offensive squad from talent to coaching. And talk about QB elevating his team all you want, pretty much every great offense has a few exceptional players.
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There was nothing exceptional about last years’ Bears offensive squad from talent to coaching. And talk about QB elevating his team all you want, pretty much every great offense has a few exceptional players.
There was nothing average about last year's Bears offensive squad, and a large part of that was coaching - but another large part of it was quarterback play, which covers up a lot of other things when it's good.
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Look at how pedestrian KCs offense has been now that Hill is gone and Kelce is slipping. If not for their top tier defense they’d be a fringe playoff team.
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There was nothing average about last year's Bears offensive squad,
Exactly, it was below average. In almost every aspect.
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Look at how pedestrian KCs offense has been now that Hill is gone and Kelce is slipping. If not for their top tier defense they’d be a fringe playoff team.
They're 11th in yards per game and 15th in points per game. That would be the best offense Justin Fields has ever led - kind of my point.
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Tell me this team doesn’t have more “talent” than last years’ Bears team. And last year they had Calvin Ridley and still this team sucked. Lots of teams have “talent.” The Bears were not above average and not even average at most positions.
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Exactly, it was below average. In almost every aspect.
Yes. Including quarterback play.
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They're 11th in yards per game and 15th in points per game. That would be the best offense Justin Fields has ever led - kind of my point.
The things that a HOF offensive coach, years in the system, and a good line can help you achieve! Fields has never played in a system this good. Even as pedestrian as KC is offensively right now.
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Tell me this team doesn’t have more “talent” than last years’ Bears team. And last year they had Calvin Ridley and still this team sucked. Lots of teams have “talent.” The Bears were not above average and not even average at most positions.
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This team is 13th in yards per game and 14th in points per game. Would be the best offense Fields has ever led.
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Yes. Including quarterback play.
Had his ups and downs.
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This team is 13th in yards per game and 14th in points per game. Would be the best offense Fields has ever led.
So an offense with all that talent is…about average.
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The things that a HOF offensive coach, years in the system, and a good line can help you achieve! Fields has never played in a system this good. Even as pedestrian as KC is offensively right now.
There's just always some reason Fields hasn't been that good.
You seem like you've never even considered that he's been mediocre because he's a mediocre, mid-tier starter type NFL QB. It's always someone else's fault.
You mention that the Chiefs offense are pedestrian - I point out that they are more productive than any Fields offense has ever been - you say of course they're good, they have a good line and a HOF coach.
Fields also is playing under a HOF coach. He still leads a mediocre offense.
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So an offense with all that talent is…about average.
Even with a can't-miss guy at QB!
Yep. They're an average offense, that's better than any Justin Fields has ever led.
You're acting like this is a point in Fields' corner, but it isn't.
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Do you think the Bears offense with Caleb Williams has been really good?
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The lowly Raiders had DeVante Adams and Brock Bowers to throw to (until a few days ago).
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Do you think the Bears offense with Caleb Williams has been really good?
At times. And it’s getting better.
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The lowly Raiders had DeVante Adams and Brock Bowers to throw to (until a few days ago).
So they had a top offense with all those weapons, right?
If not, what held them back?
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So they had a top offense with all those weapons, right?
If not, what held them back?
What I’m saying is just about every team has a couple/three pretty good dudes to throw to. But Pittsburgh isn’t on that list, currently.
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They're 11th in yards per game and 15th in points per game. That would be the best offense Justin Fields has ever led - kind of my point.
And it would be the most talented offense he’s played on, and the best coached (by far)
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What I’m saying is just about every team has a couple/three pretty good dudes to throw to. But Pittsburgh isn’t on that list, currently.
Most of the good offenses do. Most of them also have a good QB.
You always want to talk about the WR, never the QB.
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Most of the good offenses do. Most of them also have a good QB.
You always want to talk about the WR, never the QB.
For two years I’ve had you guys telling me I’m not allowed to call out the rest of the offense and the coaching. I’m only allowed to criticize the quarterback. I’ve acknowledged Fields’ flaws many times.
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So apparently Tomlin hasn’t named a starter, and they are splitting 1st team reps, which is asinine. Name a starter, give him the reps.
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So apparently Tomlin hasn’t named a starter, and they are splitting 1st team reps, which is asinine. Name a starter, give him the reps.
I'm thinking he wants to make the Jets prep for both and he's going to start Fields and have Wilson ready when he doesn't like what he sees.
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He’s coaching to lose, then.
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Sounds like something Nagy would do.
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He's never been under .500 and he's won a Super Bowl ring. I'll defer to him in this regard.
Remember, this is the guy your guy wanted to play for.
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Locker room cancer!
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Locker room cancer!
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He's finally admitting that he sucks.
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He's finally admitting that he sucks.
Yeah, he pretty much admitted that he's not good enough.
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lol
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Lol poor Mitch.
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Pickens hates Fields too
https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/steelers-receiver-george-pickens-confirms-starting-quarterback.html
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Pickens hates Fields too
https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/steelers-receiver-george-pickens-confirms-starting-quarterback.html
If you were a “reporter” that would be referred to as a “click-bait headline.”
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Personally, I find this hard to believe. Absurd if true.
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10137643-justin-fields-rumors-nfl-insiders-speculate-steelers-benching-over-bears-trade-terms.amp.html
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Personally, I find this hard to believe. Absurd if true.
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10137643-justin-fields-rumors-nfl-insiders-speculate-steelers-benching-over-bears-trade-terms.amp.html
If true, even the Steelers are hesitant to give up a 4th rounder for him!! 😂
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Sure, I’d rather have a 4th than a 6th, but the average 4th rounder is out of the league by year 4. 34.3% of 4th rounders are still on an active roster in year 4. Not saying a 4th isn’t nothing, but it’s still a day 3 pick.
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Russ with a shaking off the rust game would be a career game for Fields.
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Russ with a shaking off the rust game would be a career game for Fields.
You ain’t wrong…
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Russ with a shaking off the rust game would be a career game for Fields.
Well, as you would point out. Jets missing 3 key players in the secondary according to Tirico. Glad Pickens finally remembered how to catch. We’ll see if the good times last. I remain skeptical.
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Well, as you would point out. Jets missing 3 key players in the secondary according to Tirico. Glad Pickens finally remembered how to catch. We’ll see if the good times last. I remain skeptical.
And let the excuses begin…
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And let the excuses begin…
Yep. Russ at half had as many passing yards as Fields averaged for whole games.
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And let the excuses begin…
I remain skeptical.
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I remain skeptical.
Well duh. Do you think anybody thinks you think otherwise?!
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Go look at the Russell Wilson tweets from 2 hours ago. lol. He had a good half against a team that apparently quit. I remember a few weeks ago when all the Panthers needed was Andy Dalton. How’s that looking today? I was actually sleeping the entire 2nd half. We’ll see if the good times last. I remain skeptical…
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Fields averaged 180 yards passing per game.
Russ had 264 tonight.
Throw out all the excuses you want about the Jets D. Fields wouldn't have made those throws that Russ did tonight.
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https://imgur.com/a/ehHiBx7
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https://imgur.com/a/ehHiBx7
PAMan would be cooking Fields for this pass chart. “Where’s the across the middle passes?!”
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My image hosting site is apparently down for maintenance.
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Seriously though, nice of Pickens to finally wake up tonight.
https://x.com/trainisland/status/1848186667628220544?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Seriously though, nice of Pickens to finally wake up tonight.
https://x.com/trainisland/status/1848186667628220544?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Literally the first comment under that is spot on 😂
https://x.com/tony2g_/status/1848199301006283083?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Two hours ago lots of people calling for Pittsburgh to go back to Fields. Again, we’ll see if the good times last. I remain skeptical.
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Literally the first comment under that is spot on
https://x.com/tony2g_/status/1848199301006283083?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Talking about how Justin doesn’t make that throw? I haven’t watched a lot of Steelers football this year but I can’t remember Pittsburgh throwing it deep often when I have. I know several of Justin’s biggest plays were called back.
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Pretty classy post-game presser from Russ. Almost makes me want to root for him! I thought he got done dirty in Denver.
https://x.com/steelers/status/1848216834363076833?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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LOL.
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Good thing the Bear moved on from the guy having the best year of his career yet who gets benched for a guy playing for his third team in three years.
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Fields being traded to the Raider would be hilarious.
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We’ll revisit the QB change subject soon, I would imagine.
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One good quarter or so against a depleted defense and a team that’s giving up. Pickens finally played like he had hands instead of hooks.
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LOL. Fields had his chance like he did in Chicago. He sucked there like he did here. He'll get back in only if Wilson gets hurt.
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I remain skeptical.
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I remain skeptical.
If only you were skeptical of Fields' purported skills as a QB.
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Kurt Warner didn’t seem impressed with Russ. Said he was asked to make one decision the whole game at most. Either a bootleg where the play was in front of him or had good one on one matchups. Says he thinks Fields and Russ are the same QB at this point, but that Justin has more athleticism.
Lawrence Holmes said he thought the Jets quit after interception.
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Collinsworth actually had some relatively lucid thoughts about the Pittsburgh QB situation last night. I was surprised because he's usually too busy sucking cock to actually have a meaningful thought.
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Collinsworth actually had some relatively lucid thoughts about the Pittsburgh QB situation last night. I was surprised because he's usually too busy sucking cock to actually have a meaningful thought.
He also said if Russ gets hurt there’s no drop off going to Justin.
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Kurt Warner didn’t seem impressed with Russ. Said he was asked to make one decision the whole game at most. Either a bootleg where the play was in front of him or had good one on one matchups. Says he thinks Fields and Russ are the same QB at this point, but that Justin has more athleticism.
Lawrence Holmes said he thought the Jets quit after interception.
Well, the Steelers won the game handily, and obviously will stay with Russ unless something absolutely terrible happens.
Don't forget, if Fields plays too much, they're giving up a 4th instead of a 6th. If Russ is good enough, they will stay with it.
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He also said if Russ gets hurt there’s no drop off going to Justin.
He said they both bring different things to the table, and there is more than one way to succeed.
I want Fields to play. I think the Steelers made a mistake by going with Russ. But I'm not surprised. Lol
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And, so help me God, Tempo, if you come after me even though I haven't said any bad shit about your guy, that's it. I'm trying to conversate in good faith.
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Kurt Warner didn’t seem impressed with Russ. Said he was asked to make one decision the whole game at most. Either a bootleg where the play was in front of him or had good one on one matchups. Says he thinks Fields and Russ are the same QB at this point, but that Justin has more athleticism.
Lawrence Holmes said he thought the Jets quit after interception.
LOL. One guy is too fucking stupid to read a defense. The other can but is old.
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Justin Fields is 8-4 over his last 12 starts. Not bad for a guy who isn’t an NFL quarterback, and never will be one! And he’d be 10-2 if Darnell Mooney and Tyler Scott didn’t drop easy touchdowns!
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Justin Fields is 8-4 over his last 12 starts. Not bad for a guy who isn’t an NFL quarterback, and never will be one! And he’d be 10-2 if Darnell Mooney and Tyler Scott didn’t drop easy touchdowns!
He's been the ultimate bum slayer. Just ask Joe Flacco.
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He's been the ultimate bum slayer. Just ask Joe Flacco.
He beat the Lions and if Tyler Scott didn’t suck would have done it twice.
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Justin Fields is 8-4 over his last 12 starts. Not bad for a guy who isn’t an NFL quarterback, and never will be one! And he’d be 10-2 if Darnell Mooney and Tyler Scott didn’t drop easy touchdowns!
I also have to laugh because you used to decry W-L as a "QB Stat" when Fields was 2 and Infinity....
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He beat the Lions and if Tyler Scott didn’t suck would have done it twice.
LOL. You mean if he didn't get strip sacked?
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I also have to laugh because you used to decry W-L as a "QB Stat" when Fields was 2 and Infinity....
It was laughable to hold that record against him when they were literally stripping the team down to the bolts. Troy Aikman went 7-19 his first two years. Know why? The team was literally in rebuild mode. A concept you clearly can’t wrap your mind around.
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LOL. You mean if he didn't get strip sacked?
Why does Tyler Scott suck so bad? Why does he lose snaps to DeAndre Carter? Why is Tyler Scott invisible?
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Seriously, does Tyler Scott even have a catch this year? If so I don’t remember it.
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Just looked it up. Tyler Scott has played 13 snaps this year (special teams?). DeAndre Carter has played 124.
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It was laughable to hold that record against him when they were literally stripping the team down to the bolts. Troy Aikman went 7-19 his first two years. Know why? The team was literally in rebuild mode. A concept you clearly can’t wrap your mind around.
LOL. You can't even remember your hot takes! Hilarious!
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Why did your guy Poles draft Scott instead of a lineman?
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LOL. You can't even remember your hot takes! Hilarious!
WTF are you talking about.
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Why did your guy Poles draft Scott instead of a lineman?
Because like everyone, he sometimes makes mistakes?
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Because like everyone, he sometimes makes mistakes?
He's made quite a few WR draft pick mistakes. Could use OL and a DE.
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He's made quite a few WR draft pick mistakes. Could use OL and a DE.
So ive heard. Austin Booker looks like he might be pretty good.
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He's made quite a few WR draft pick mistakes. Could use OL and a DE.
And Tempo says Poles didn’t try to get JFC help… shake my head
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And Tempo says Poles didn’t try to get JFC help… shake my head
Are 4th round rookies supposed to be huge difference makers?
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Are 4th round rookies supposed to be huge difference makers?
Are they linemen or WRs who can't make the field on gameday?
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Higher round picks in 22 and 23. Looks pretty defense heavy to me.
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And a lot of “help” Velus and Scott are. Everyone wonders why Velus is still on the roster and Tyler Scott is getting out repped 9-1 by DeAndre Carter. Pathetic.
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And a lot of “help” Velus and Scott are. Everyone wonders why Velus is still on the roster and Tyler Scott is getting out repped 9-1 by DeAndre Carter. Pathetic.
You should reread Judge Judy's post....also Poles is your guy!
Isn't Carter a Waldron guy?
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Are they linemen or WRs who can't make the field on gameday?
Wut.
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You should reread Judge uJudy's post....also Poles is your guy!
I’ve never once said every move he’s made was a good one. That’s an absurd expectation.
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I’ve never once said every move he’s made was a good one. That’s an absurd expectation.
Judge Judy threw in a "tried"
You do love WRs
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Isn't Carter a Waldron guy?
Not that I know of. Why does it matter? He’s a 31 year old dude who’s changed teams 11 times. And spent half his career on practice squads. And he’s outrepping Justin’s “help” 9-1.
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Judge Judy threw in a "tried"
You do love WRs
I do?
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So yeah, he spent a few draft picks on offensive players. Like every other GM in the league. I guess they all “tried.”
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Are there GMs out there only drafting one side of the ball year after year?
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Most of his offensive moves the first two years were bad.
Jones, Nate Davis, Chase Claypool, Tyler Scott. Fringe WRs galore.
Braxton Jones was a solid draft pick in the 5th round. Not really a difference maker. I’m not sold that Darnell Wright is a stud just yet. DJ is about the only move he made the first two years that really paid off.
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Not that I know of. Why does it matter? He’s a 31 year old dude who’s changed teams 11 times. And spent half his career on practice squads. And he’s outrepping Justin’s “help” 9-1.
I thought he was a Waldron guy. So he knows the Waldron offense.
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I do?
It is well established that you do.
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So yeah, he spent a few draft picks on offensive players. Like every other GM in the league. I guess they all “tried.”
We need doers, not triers.
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Are there GMs out there only drafting one side of the ball year after year?
That's not the point, but you know that.
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I thought he was a Waldron guy. So he knows the Waldron offense.
Negatory.
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That's not the point, but you know that.
But he “tried?”
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It is well established that you do.
It is?
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I like good football players regardless of position.
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Negatory.
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Yes, I looked it up. Was just going to post that Carter and Beatty, the WR coach, go back. Not Carter and Waldron.
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But he “tried?”
He tried to get WR help, which you were a fan of even though not a fan of Velus, instead of OL help.
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He tried to get WR help, which you were a fan of even though not a fan of Velus, instead of OL help.
Again, I’m a fan of the Bears acquiring good football players at every position. I didn’t like the Jones pick at all, and don’t remember being that fired up about the Tyler Scott pick. I’d have been perfectly fine if either or both of those picks had been guards.
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Just saw Tomlin grinning and pointing at Wilson after that bomb for a TD. Can Tempo smell what Russ is cooking?
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Russ taking a page from Fields and fumbling in a clutch situation!
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LOL!!! How didn't Tempo post this???? Lol!!!
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/monday-night-football-justin-fields-is-inactive-but-will-dress-as-the-emergency-qb?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Monday Night Football: Justin Fields is inactive but will dress as the emergency QB
He fucking sucks ass! He must be really busting his ass in practice following the demotion. LOL!
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Why would I post an injury update for a guy who wasn’t likely to play anyway?
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Tweaked a hammy = sucks ass/not busting ass?
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Tweaked a hammy = sucks ass/not busting ass?
Sure he is as injured as Your Guy Monty Sweat who can never be on the field during crunch time.
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Why would I post an injury update for a guy who wasn’t likely to play anyway?
For the same reason you start threads for guys like Fields who suck?
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Sure he is as injured as Your Guy Monty Sweat who can never be on the field during crunch time.
And I’m the one who’s obsessed…
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And I’m the one who’s obsessed…
Yes, you are. You even made the Bear loss Sunday about Fields.
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Yes, you are. You even made the Bear loss Sunday about Fields.
I did? How?
I merely pointed out that I accurately predicted you would NEVER let the Bears’ defense off the hook for giving up a late lead after a lackluster offensive performance. And I was one million percent correct. Again.
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Your opinions are swayed by what jersey Justin Fields is wearing, because you are obsessed with hating on him. You literally watched his All22 a couple of weeks ago in anticipation of an argument. Lol
Just be glad he’s gone and move on.
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Sure. The Steeler D was your focus before Fields selected that team to go to so he could be benched and the star wideout could hate him.
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LMAO
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LMAO
I thought it was a good post too.
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I thought it was a good post too.
It actually wasn’t even coherent.
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It actually wasn’t even coherent.
I guess I can help your lack of reading comprehension by typing slower.
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Sure. The Steeler D was your focus before Fields selected that team to go to so he could be benched and the star wideout could hate him.
The only reason I’m able to make some sense of this is because I’ve heard you irrationally ramble on these subjects hundreds of times.
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The only reason I’m able to make some sense of this is because I’ve heard you irrationally ramble on these subjects hundreds of times.
So you admit that you knew of what I posted.
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This fucking thread is 353 pages.
Incredible.
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So you admit that you knew of what I posted.
Not because it actually made sense, I just know your schtick.
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Not because it actually made sense, I just know your schtick.
Hmm. I will refrain from resorting to Jobu-type shots here.
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Fields in the game to run the ball!
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And now he is out
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Back in to handoff and now back out
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Russ is cookin'!
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https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers-justin-fields-ripped-baffling-move-on-potential-game-sealing-play
Justin Fields Ripped by Fans for Baffling Move on Potential Game-Sealing Play
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And I’m the one who’s obsessed…
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The Ravens have possibly the worst pass defense in the NFL. I mean they give it up to virtually everyone. But 6 FGs, no TDs and 1 INT will surely get praise from ThePAMan since it’s Russell Wilson. And this is after adding a quality WR to the roster. Lol emjoi
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You didn't even see the game, especially when Sh1t finally got to play and choked.
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Choked? They won the game.
But go ahead and spin Russ’ game into a good one since I didn’t see it!
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Fields choked by sliding early. Everyone saw it.
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Lol
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Sh1t still riding the bench. Plenty of time to read the platitudes from his The Twotter Moron Fanclub!
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https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/college-gameday-justin-fields-guest-picker-ohio-state-indiana.html
Tempo! Set your alarm to watch Saturday!
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Just saw this for the first time ever a few days ago. This is amazing effort. Great teammate.
https://x.com/fanduel/status/1857071141371732441?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Just saw this for the first time ever a few days ago. This is amazing effort. Great teammate.
https://x.com/fanduel/status/1857071141371732441?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
That was some kind of hustle even if it was a block in the back.
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That was some kind of hustle even if it was a block in the back.
It was a block from the side.
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If that's a "block in the back" then that's a stupid rule rivaling "illegal man down field." Who gives a shit if a guard is a yard in front the line of scrimmage? All that rule does is kill exciting plays.
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LOL. Must defend the Cult Leader!! Pathetic!
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https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers-justin-fields-ripped-baffling-move-on-potential-game-sealing-play
Justin Fields Ripped by Fans for Baffling Move on Potential Game-Sealing Play
Must manufacture false outrage to attack Fields!
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Must manufacture false outrage to attack Fields!
He’s a QB and all you can muster up is, he blocks great, can run, and might be a good teammate. He’s a fucking QB!!!!!
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He’s a QB and all you can muster up is, he blocks great, can run, and might be a good teammate. He’s a fucking QB!!!!!
How’s Curbelo’s HOF career going?
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How’s Curbelo’s HOF career going?
Great until he got a concussion and lost his marbles…
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Lol
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He’s a QB and all you can muster up is, he blocks great, can run, and might be a good teammate. He’s a fucking QB!!!!!
Not bad for a guy who can’t pass. And if he hadn’t had a large handful of TDs and big plays dropped and called back it would be even better.
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LOL. He's a bench riding pussy
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Not bad for a guy who can’t pass. And if he hadn’t had a large handful of TDs and big plays dropped and called back it would be even better.
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Funny Tomlin and the Steelers feel differently. You’re just speculating (something you say you won’t do with Flus) that he’s good. They see H1M everyday in practice…
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Again, pretty good for a guy who’s clearly terrible!
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LOL. He's a bench riding pussy
But is he a c#nt?
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PAMan liberally using the word pussy, but censoring the word cunt is legit one of the funniest things that’s ever happened on this forum.
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But is he a c#nt?
Yes, since he whined about being coached. But he claims to love Jesus.
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PAMan liberally using the word pussy, but censoring the word cunt is legit one of the funniest things that’s ever happened on this forum.
He slid short because he was afraid of being hit despite needing the first down. And he blocks guys in the back. How else would you describe it?
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If there’s one thing Justin Fields is not, it’s a pussy.
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If there’s one thing Justin Fields is not, it’s a pussy.
Yes, he is. Whines about being coached, slides short of a first down so he won't get hit....
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If that's a "block in the back" then that's a stupid rule rivaling "illegal man down field." Who gives a shit if a guard is a yard in front the line of scrimmage? All that rule does is kill exciting plays.
The rules are stupid. Add that to the bag o' excuses.
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The rules are stupid. Add that to the bag o' excuses.
This is why Miles is the Tallest Midget (we can say that now since Trump won) here.
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Well apparently there was no penalty called, so there’s that.
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And yes, some of the rules are stupid. Like illegal man downfield.
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Well apparently there was no penalty called, so there’s that.
Shocking no call at Columbus... ::)
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Shocking no call at Columbus... ::)
Weird that OSU would have the Spartan emblem on their homefield!
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Yes, he is. Whines about being coached, slides short of a first down so he won't get hit....
Clearly the coaching sucked. Which the Bears and Raiders both agreed on. So + in the Fields column for being smart and recognizing bad coaching.
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Clearly the coaching sucked. Which the Bears and Raiders both agreed on. So + in the Fields column for being smart and recognizing bad coaching.
Clearly he sucked also and still does since Pittsburgh did not let him audible out of plays. LOL. They know he is a gadget player at best.
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That was a preseason game. Vanilla blitz. Everyone on TV even said, hey, they're coming. Our future Hall of Famer didn't even look that way and got his fucking helmet knocked off.
It was then that I said, uh oh. We might have a dummy back there.
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Nice blitz pick up by the back.
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Nice blitz pick up by the back.
More likely he was the Hot Route and Sh1t failed to pick up that a blitz was coming.
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That dude has to at least chip him.
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That dude has to at least chip him.
Must not have been coached to do so at Eberlose Country Club
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Could have been Nagy era. Nagy was good at keeping Fields protected, too. Cleveland game his rookie year was an all-timer.
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I see Fields got one rush in the game today for 7 yards. Good average for a RB if they keep him there…
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HQ2 doing the heavy lifting lol
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Mahomes and Lamar would be Trump-like in an election
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I like how when Justin was here almost everything was his fault, but now that there’s more talent on the roster and he’s gone it’s organizational failure.
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I like how when Justin was here almost everything was his fault, but now that there’s more talent on the roster and he’s gone it’s organizational failure.
The OL is actually worse than before. It was better under Getsy! And the veteran wideouts have gotten lazier and refuse to run slant routes. Plus the defense has fallen off a cliff. Your Guy Poles sucks ass The QB needs to get better. Hopefully that happens with time.
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It’s been the same dudes, with an upgrade (albeit a mild one) at Center! Same young dudes!
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I hear analyst after analyst say a lot of sacks are on Caleb, but crickets from ThePAMan now. When every sack of Justin seemed to be his fault.
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It’s been the same dudes, with an upgrade (albeit a mild one) at Center! Same young dudes!
We have been through this. It is not the "same dudes."
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I hear analyst after analyst say a lot of sacks are on Caleb, but crickets from ThePAMan now. When every sack of Justin seemed to be his fault.
He does hold the ball too long. Avoids INTs though.
Fields still sucks cock which is why he isn't playing. This team would be even worse with Fields turning the ball over 2x a game.
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We have been through this. It is not the "same dudes."
It was to start the year. It was 4 of the same 5 dudes. Now it’s 3 of the same dudes. Still a majority.
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He does hold the ball too long. Avoids INTs though.
Fields still sucks cock which is why he isn't playing. This team would be even worse with Fields turning the ball over 2x a game.
Again, who cares if he avoids INTs if they can’t even string together two first downs. I’ve literally heard multiple former QBs say they wish he’d take some chances. Beats getting shut out in the first half every week.
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Loosy, you got some splainin’ to do…
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Here’s some added context. See: Maye, Drake.
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It was to start the year. It was 4 of the same 5 dudes. Now it’s 3 of the same dudes. Still a majority.
Which means it was not all "the same dudes."
Again, you can suck Fields' cock all you want, but Your Guy Eberlose, who you stupidly did not want to fire, ran a country club and none of the remaining guys ever got any better. They were better under Getsy. They could at least run block then despite everyone knowing Sh1t could not throw the ball.
But hey, Your Guy Poles drafted an Ivy League OL!
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Loosy, you got some splainin’ to do…
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PFF LOL
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Here’s some added context. See: Maye, Drake.
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DJ Moore and Allen refuse to run slant routes. Is that taken into account by some Twitter Moron? Of course not. Twitter users are idiots.
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Which means it was not all "the same dudes."
Again, you can suck Fields' cock all you want, but Your Guy Eberlose, who you stupidly did not want to fire, ran a country club and none of the remaining guys ever got any better. They were better under Getsy. They could at least run block then despite everyone knowing Sh1t could not throw the ball.
But hey, Your Guy Poles drafted an Ivy League OL!
JFC. It was the same dudes, with a modest upgrade at Center. Keep crying and making excuses.
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4 out of 5 returnees is basically “the same dudes.”
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DJ Moore and Allen refuse to run slant routes. Is that taken into account by some Twitter Moron? Of course not. Twitter users are idiots.
Lol
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JFC. It was the same dudes, with a modest upgrade at Center. Keep crying and making excuses.
Modest upgrade at Center? LOL. And that was with guys who could not even snap the ball last year.
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Lol
You have been proving it here since COVID.
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basically “the same dudes.”
So it is not "the same dudes" it is "basically the same dudes" and it definitely was not the same OC.
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4 out of 5 returnees is basically “the same dudes.”
And they all have played worse than last year, when they actually play.
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That line fucking sucks. No arguing against that. Fuck, man
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Caleb might suck too. But for fuck's sake.
Tell me again how Sh1t is doing in Pittsburgh. Oh, a gimmick guy. He's a Taysom Hill that doesn't catch passes.
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That line fucking sucks. No arguing against that. Fuck, man
Caleb might suck too. But for fuck's sake.
Tell me again how Sh1t is doing in Pittsburgh. Oh, a gimmick guy. He's a Taysom Hill that doesn't catch passes.
Exactly.
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Modest upgrade at Center? LOL. And that was with guys who could not even snap the ball last year.
That guy played like one game at Center. You’re having a “Henry Burris was a starter” moment, but we all know how loosely you play with the facts.
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And they all have played worse than last year, when they actually play.
Not sure that’s entirely accurate. Having said that, I’m not making the case they’re actually “good.” Just pointing out that, per usual, you’re exaggerating.
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That line fucking sucks. No arguing against that. Fuck, man
Several different grading metrics say they’re average. Slightly better than average in pass protection. So there’s that.
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That guy played like one game at Center. You’re having a “Henry Burris was a starter” moment, but we all know how loosely you play with the facts.
Says the guy who claims "basically the same guys" is identical to " the same guys". You can't make this shit up.
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Several different grading metrics say they’re average. Slightly better than average in pass protection. So there’s that.
Omitting run blocking
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Says the guy who claims "basically the same guys" is identical to " the same guys". You can't make this shit up.
Weak sauce. Very very weak sauce.
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If you were a boxer, your manager would have thrown in the towel a couple rounds ago.
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Omitting run blocking
It’s not very good, I suspect. Haven’t seen the metrics, though.
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Also know that D’Andre Swift is not a between the tackles runner. No matter how much they try to run him between the tackles (too much).
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Imagine changing one guy (who was an upgrade, albeit not a giant one) and crying that “this is a very different line!”
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Shelton has been about average in run and pass protection according to PFF. Ridicule of PFF incoming (doesn’t fit the narrative)!
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I wonder what Colleen Kane thinks. Or Erik Lambert.
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Or Dhruv Koul.
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Weak sauce. Very very weak sauce.
The problem is you cannot even recognize when your statements are inherently ridiculous and contradictory.
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Imagine changing one guy (who was an upgrade, albeit not a giant one) and crying that “this is a very different line!”
Basically the same guys but not "the same guys." Of course, they had another soft offseason and pre-season camp and bad coaches, which, obviously, had nothing to do with their poorer play.
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The problem is you cannot even recognize when your statements are inherently ridiculous and contradictory.
Couple of examples?
You are the undisputed King of contradictory. “Bears are making it to the Super Bowl! Also, fire EVERYONE!
“Justin Fields is the ENTIRE problem! Also, replace the ENTIRE line!”
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And the receivers!
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It cracks me up to think PAMan pretends to know what these guys are doing or not doing in the offseason and training camp. As if he’s there.
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It cracks me up to think PAMan pretends to know what these guys are doing or not doing in the offseason and training camp. As if he’s there.
We can tell they didn't do much based on their performance this year versus last year.
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Couple of examples?
You are the undisputed King of contradictory. “Bears are making it to the Super Bowl! Also, fire EVERYONE!
“Justin Fields is the ENTIRE problem! Also, replace the ENTIRE line!”
Strawman in action. I never said he was the ENTIRE problem but a large part of it. He could suck and the line could suck too, as I said. Remember that I said he made them look even worse than they were. Which was true.
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Couple of examples?
You are the undisputed King of contradictory. “Bears are making it to the Super Bowl! Also, fire EVERYONE!
“Justin Fields is the ENTIRE problem! Also, replace the ENTIRE line!”
"Basically 'the same guy's" is one of your better ones.
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He does hold the ball too long. Avoids INTs though.
Fields still sucks cock which is why he isn't playing. This team would be even worse with Fields turning the ball over 2x a game.
8 straight games without an int is pretty good for a rookie
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8 straight games without an int is pretty good for a rookie
Tempo thinks he should be throwing more interceptions, so he could complain about it.
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We can tell they didn't do much based on their performance this year versus last year.
You can blame that I guess, sure. Doesn’t necessarily mean you’re right. Maybe some of them are playing hurt. Maybe they were poorly coached. Maybe some of them couldn’t practice in the offseason due to injury. Maybe the scheme Waldron employed sucks. Who knows (for sure)? We aren’t there every day (or ever).
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Tempo thinks he should be throwing more interceptions, so he could complain about it.
I’d rather complain about that than taking sacks and not moving the ball until the defense starts playing prevent.
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I haven’t complained about Caleb much at all this year. Like Justin, I think a lot of the blame lies elsewhere. Having said that, Caleb needs to be better next year.
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8 straight games without an int is pretty good for a rookie
What good does that do you if you can’t get a first down?
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Troy Aikman and Kurt Warner have both said they’d like to see Caleb take more chances.
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An int gets the other team a 1st down.
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Troy Aikman and Kurt Warner have both said they’d like to see Caleb take more chances.
I want to know if Spark approves of this message
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An int gets the other team a 1st down.
Great. As long as we get some as well.
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So PAMan, which Bears players have had good years IYO?
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Great. As long as we get some as well.
Would be an improvement over “very few.”
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So PAMan, which Bears players have had good years IYO?
Thinking Jaylon Johnson is the closest to having a good year. I am thinking Tory Taylor has done well as kick holder.
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Thinking Jaylon Johnson is the closest to having a good year. I am thinking Tory Taylor has done well as kick holder.
So by your own measurement process, the ONLY Bear who worked hard in the offseason was Jaylon Johnson!
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Literally the only one!
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Or is it zero Bears worked hard in the offseason since Jaylon was only “close” to a good year?
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So by your own measurement process, the ONLY Bear who worked hard in the offseason was Jaylon Johnson!
Ok probably. The rest of them don't look like they did shit. Including Williams
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Ok probably. The rest of them don't look like they did shit. Including Williams
Too busy going to golf tournaments!
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Too busy going to golf tournaments!
And not getting his medicals.
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And not getting his medicals.
Priorities?!
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Clearly not aligned properly! And this is using ThePAMan's logic!
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Missing Pickens today against the Raven.
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Wilson channeling Fields today with the fumble and bad INTs.
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I might have to share a few beers with Custard and we can talk conspiracy theories. Found one I might be able to dabble in! Lol
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No way Fields would have been able to overcome DJ Moore's incompetence to win that game.
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🧌
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There is no way Fields is taking them down the field on that drive.
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🧌
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I'm not the one who has been claiming the Bear would have been better this year with the guy riding the bench in Pittsburgh
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Remember all those 4th quarter drives in Fields' rookie season that gave the Bear a chance to win the game? Yeah, me neither.
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Fields wasn’t the starter and wasn’t prepared by the staff to start at any point until they more or less had to. Justin didn’t have a 10 year starter and another SB winning QB on the roster to compete for snaps with.
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Fields wasn’t the starter and wasn’t prepared by the staff to start at any point until they more or less had to. Justin didn’t have a 10 year starter and another SB winning QB on the roster to compete for snaps with.
LOL
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LOL
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LOL
You may want to reread your post.
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You may want to reread your post.
Why.
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Caleb. I actually edited that earlier, but edited it incorrectly. Whatever. You get the gist.
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Caleb. I actually edited that earlier, but edited it incorrectly. Whatever. You get the gist.
It's still funny, but not as funny as it was.
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Tempo truly can't quit Fields.
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Are Tempo and Judy holed up in a room together with no internet ?
I hope it's warm wherever they are.
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Are Tempo and Judy holed up in a room together with no internet ?
I hope it's warm wherever they are.
They may be vacationing together.
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JFC to sign $40 million dollar two-year deal with Jets! $30 million guaranteed. J-E-T-S! Jets! Jets! Jets!
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This is going to be great...
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This is going to be great...
Ordered your Fields/Jets jersey yet? I know you’re a closet fan!
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Ordered your Fields/Jets jersey yet? I know you’re a closet fan!
Rather be a closet homo than a closet Fields fan!
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Custard has some updating to do on his photoshops
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Rather be a closet homo than a closet Fields fan!
Why not both?
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I have some great ideas but lack the photoshop ability.
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Why not both?
You have that covered?
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I meant you. Unlike you, I’m not a closet FFF.
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Jets are tanking already
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You’ve done better work
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That's good stuff
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So the Steelers get a 3rd or 4th round pick for Fields but the Bear get a 6th for trading him to the "team he wanted to go to and then flee from after they saw he sucked and couldn't beat out old man Wilson." Good job Poles!
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You’ve done better work
You and Bustin sharing a bloomin onion in a tank? That's pretty damn good.
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Is that what it is? I’ll bump it up
half a letter grade to C-
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Is that what it is? I’ll bump it up
half a letter grade to C-
What if the Palestinian flag was a Bears flag that you were going to run over in the tank?
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So the Steelers get a 3rd or 4th round pick for Fields but the Bear get a 6th for trading him to the "team he wanted to go to and then flee from after they saw he sucked and couldn't beat out old man Wilson." Good job Poles!
The Jets are a truly stupid fucking organization. The Steelers fucking fleeced them.
The Bears are fucking stupid too. But at least they're making some moves in free agency now.
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What if the Palestinian flag was a Bears flag that you were going to run over in the tank?
It would at least have something to do with the subject matter, then.
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It would at least have something to do with the subject matter, then.
Eh. I liked the multitasking. It was solid. Nothing pretty or special, but got the point across quite well.
I give it a B+/A-. I think that's quite fair.
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I think C- is generous. It was just throwing shit at the wall.
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I'm a pretty easy grader. Plus I smiled. That's worth quite a bit.
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It would at least have something to do with the subject matter, then.
Except that Fields was in Dubai celebrating his fleecing of the Jets.
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Except that Fields was in Dubai celebrating his fleecing of the Jets.
I mean, him and his agent are probably still stunned.
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The Jets are a truly stupid fucking organization. The Steelers fucking fleeced them.
The Bears are fucking stupid too. But at least they're making some moves in free agency now.
It’s a compensatory pick. Not a trade.
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Tempo is going to have the only Jets novelty helmet in all of Itasca.
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Tempo’s kid is going to ask for an Eagles football uniform from the Christmas catalog and he’s going to buy him a Jets one instead.
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Tempo is on Chicago Reddit right now asking where the Jets watch bars are.
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Tempo is going to quit going to Chicago gangster graveyards and start using Flight Tracker.
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Tempo is going to get his kid a book about Joe Namath for Christmas and then explain to him how JFC will make him look like Cade McNown.
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Tempo is going to have fake funeral for Aaron Rodgers to get everyone to buy into Justin Fields.
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Tempo is currently studying the difference between jet and prop propulsion so he can build better strawmen in the future.
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Tempo just registered on both Jets fan forums.
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Tempo is playing Joan Jett on the TouchTunes at his local watering hole.
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Tempo is sucking Fireman Ed’s cock
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Sorry to interrupt, Custard. You were on a roll.
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Tempo just learned that most modern tanks run on Jet fuel.
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Tempo’s favorite Elton John song is “Busty and the Jets”
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Tempo is telling his kid that his uber car is carbon neutral Jet propulsion.
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😂😂😂😂🤣
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🤣😂🤣😂🤣
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👏👏👏 👏
T(h)anks.
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Custard is trying too hard.
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Tempo is sucking Fireman Ed’s cock
Had to look up who that is. Would.
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Had to look up who that is. Would.
How do you not know Fireman Ed?
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How do you not know Fireman Ed?
I’ve only been a Jets fan for 3 days…
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I mean, he looked familar once I googled him, but I’d have never known who he was simply by name.
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It was like an “Oh, that guy” kind of thing.
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Colin Cowherd is a 🤡 what a reverse from the other day, huh Tempo?! 😂
https://x.com/b_willijax/status/1754523022348726392?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Turns out Cowherd was right...
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Jaylon pretty clear in the belief Justin hasn’t received good coaching or gotten adequate help.
Hmmm...sounds familiar...
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Really wanted them to bring in a veteran QB to help mentor Caleb last year; turns out it was needed more than we knew. In fact, I said hire a new head coach if you're drafting a QB.
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I forget who it was, but someone here said Cowherd was a very credible USC/Williams source!
Turns out he was.
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Turns out Cowherd was right...
More a reflection on Flus, Waldron, and derp Bears. Not on Caleb…
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More a reflection on Flus, Waldron, and derp Bears. Not on Caleb…
Never my point. My point was Cowherd was right when he said that “the Williams camp doesn’t want to go to Chicago.” The coaching last year was criminal. Having said that, it’s been that way for a while. Looks like Justin was right, the problem was “coaching.”
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https://steelersnow.com/former-steelers-qb-justin-fields-has-alarming-practices-with-jets/
Doesn't sound like a Steeler Blogger Hit Job.
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Meh, talk to me when the games start.
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https://steelersnow.com/former-steelers-qb-justin-fields-has-alarming-practices-with-jets/
Doesn't sound like a Steeler Blogger Hit Job.
Interesting tidbit from the article though.
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Meh, talk to me when the games start.
Or at least half way through training camp.
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Or at least half way through training camp.
Then why you on here blowing everybody’s shit up until you get something negative about Fields?!
Isn’t that the exact same shit I told you the other day?! Yet here we are…
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Then why you on here blowing everybody’s shit up until you get something negative about Fields?!
Isn’t that the exact same shit I told you the other day?! Yet here we are…
I think I might be following, but I’m not sure. Try again?
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Poor Kenny Pickett! Bradshaw playing the role of Tempo…
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45352116/steelers-interest-qb-rodgers-joke
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https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/russell-wilson-george-pickens-is-misunderstood-he-wants-to-be-great
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https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/russell-wilson-george-pickens-is-misunderstood-he-wants-to-be-great
Yeah, to the point where no one can stand being his teammate.
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Yeah, to the point where no one can stand being his teammate.
He is misunderstood. Wants to win! Sounds like ThePAHimHerTheyThem if I do say so myself.
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One of PAMan’s favorite core narratives of late completely blown up by Adam Schefter.
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Turns out Fields wasn’t the 3rd or 4th choice.
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Sure he wasn't.
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If that's remotely true, the Steeler GM makes Poles look like a genius. The Steeler guy isn't even playing Madden. He's just dumb as a box of rocks
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No doubt your gut is more reliable than Adam Schefter’s reporting!
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Turns out Fields wasn’t the 3rd or 4th choice.
The Steeler wanted Fields back so bad that they gave him an offer that Fields turned down = Fields was their #1 choice.
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The Steeler wanted Fields back so bad that they gave him an offer that Fields turned down = Fields was their #1 choice.
Adam Schefter literally just reported it. It doesn’t mean they were willing to give him a huge long-term deal. No one anywhere said that.
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Adam Schefter literally just reported it. It doesn’t mean they were willing to give him a huge long-term deal. No one anywhere said that.
The Steeler wanted him back so bad that they guanteed him a year.
Then the Steeler #1 choice left town.
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The Steeler wanted him back so bad that they guanteed him a year.
Then the Steeler #1 choice left town.
It’s not my fault you can’t follow an argument.
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Mn all over it.
Who told Schefter this? Fields' camp? Artie Smith?
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HQ spin machine ramping up efforts.
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HQ spin machine ramping up efforts.
Maybe you have been spun like a top.
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There’s no reporter in sports who is more plugged into their sport than Adam Schefter. There’s literally no reason not to believe him other than the fact I heard he’s on Cody Whitehair’s payroll.
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There’s no reporter in sports who is more plugged into their sport than Adam Schefter. There’s literally no reason not to believe him other than the fact I heard he’s on Cody Whitehair’s payroll.
That Shams dude in basketball.
Elliotte Friedman in hockey.
I don't think they allow the people they are reporting on review their stories before publishing for approval like Schefter does. But believe what you want to believe, Spun34!
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You remind me of GW Bush. “I don’t read books, I go with my gut.”
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I can’t see this being something they would lie about. This is barely noticed by anyone outside of HQ.
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It looks as tho the Steeler wanted Stafford, then turned to the 1 year placeholder when the Stafford deal didn't happen.
" ... after they couldn't get a trade done for Stafford and couldn't get Fields resigned, they pivoted to Aaron Rodgers."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/football/steelers-wanted-84-million-qb-instead-of-aaron-rodgers-says-espn-s-adam-schefter/ar-AA1GiovY?ocid=BingNewsSerp
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Hahahahahahahahaha that’s literally not what they said
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Man, it’s almost sad that Mn’s efforts almost never produce any fruit.
(https://i.postimg.cc/HWFgF7mr/IMG-1845.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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It looks as tho the Steeler wanted Stafford, then turned to the 1 year placeholder when the Stafford deal didn't happen.
" ... after they couldn't get a trade done for Stafford and couldn't get Fields resigned, they pivoted to Aaron Rodgers."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/football/steelers-wanted-84-million-qb-instead-of-aaron-rodgers-says-espn-s-adam-schefter/ar-AA1GiovY?ocid=BingNewsSerp
I looked over that article twice and couldn’t find that quote…
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(https://i.postimg.cc/jjW1KMtP/IMG-1846.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bGhg9HGw)
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You remind me of GW Bush. “I don’t read books, I go with my gut.”
Says the guy who relies on The Twotter posts for his news.
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Are you going to deny that Schefter allows his subjects to review stories before they are published?
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I looked over that article twice and couldn’t find that quote…
That's not surprising. 😂😂
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That's not surprising. 😂😂
After a third look I saw it. I kept losing text because of a semi-walled link. Regardless, you were wrong.
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Are you going to deny that Schefter allows his subjects to review stories before they are published?
I don't know, does he? I mean, he's probably on Whitehair's payroll. Maybe he does that to confirm accuracy? Are you going to deny he's the most plugged in NFL reporter there is? Only Rapaport is in his stratosphere when it comes to NFL reporting.
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I don't know, does he? I mean, he's probably on Whitehair's payroll. Maybe he does that to confirm accuracy? Are you going to deny he's the most plugged in NFL reporter there is? Only Rapaport is in his stratosphere when it comes to NFL reporting.
Short answer is "Yes, he does."
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Short answer is "Yes, he does."
Not that I particularly care, but do you have proof?
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So it appears you’re alluding to a one-time story about a one-time article in which Schefter admitted it was “a step too far.” Who cares.
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It’s NFL reporting, not Woodward and Bernstein.
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After a third look I saw it. I kept losing text because of a semi-walled link. Regardless, you were wrong.
Whatever.
February 28
Steelers Get Disappointing Matthew Stafford News With Trade Update
The Pittsburgh Steelers are reassessing their options at quarterback this offseason and while nothing officially materialized on the Matthew Stafford front, he is officially off the board.
Anthony GossFeb 28, 2025 2:04 PM EST
https://athlonsports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/pittsburgh-steelers-disappointing-matthew-stafford-news-rams-contract-update-trade
1 week later, and after Stafford was out of the picture.
Steelers Plans for Justin Fields Revealed
The Pittsburgh Steelers have a contract length and role in mind for Justin Fields.
Jack Markowski | Mar 6, 2025
https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/pittsburgh-steelers-contract-plans-revealed-justin-fields
Which reads exactly like what I had copied and pasted.
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Not that I particularly care, but do you have proof?
How do you not recall this?
https://www.businessinsider.com/adam-schefter-espn-reporter-bruce-allen-review-unpublished-story-2021-10#:~:text=ESPN's%20Adam%20Schefter%20once%20asked,byline%20of%20reporter%20Chris%20Mortensen.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2021-10-12/nfl-jon-gruden-emails-washington-football-team
Several emails between Allen and journalists are part of the filing too. In one of them from July 2011, ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter sent Allen the draft of an unpublished story that was published later the same day.
“Please let me know if you see anything that should be added, changed, tweaked,” Schefter wrote. “Thanks, Mr. Editor, for that and the trust. Plan to file this to espn about 6 am ….”
I am sure Schefter only did this once....
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How do you not recall this?
https://www.businessinsider.com/adam-schefter-espn-reporter-bruce-allen-review-unpublished-story-2021-10#:~:text=ESPN's%20Adam%20Schefter%20once%20asked,byline%20of%20reporter%20Chris%20Mortensen.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2021-10-12/nfl-jon-gruden-emails-washington-football-team
Several emails between Allen and journalists are part of the filing too. In one of them from July 2011, ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter sent Allen the draft of an unpublished story that was published later the same day.
“Please let me know if you see anything that should be added, changed, tweaked,” Schefter wrote. “Thanks, Mr. Editor, for that and the trust. Plan to file this to espn about 6 am ….”
I am sure Schefter only did this once....
This is how someone maintains "access"".
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This is how someone maintains "access"".
That thought probably crossed the minds of his competing journalists....
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Mike Florio here to clear this up.
Fields was not first. Stafford was after they were through with some prelim talks with Wilson. Then came Fields. Then came Rodgers.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-aaron-rodgers-was-third-choice-for-steelers-after-matthew-stafford-and-justin-fields
Feel free to catch me weekdays on PFT Live from 7 a.m. to 9 a.m. and 4p.m. to 6 p.m. ET. As well as on your local sports radio network.
I did not clear this story with Fields, Stafford, Rogers, or anyone affiliated or associated with the Steelers.
Oh, and Hub Arkush can kiss my ass.
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Thanks Mike.
But " If they hadn’t lowballed Fields, " has already been mentioned here.
Just not in those words.
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How do you not recall this?
https://www.businessinsider.com/adam-schefter-espn-reporter-bruce-allen-review-unpublished-story-2021-10#:~:text=ESPN's%20Adam%20Schefter%20once%20asked,byline%20of%20reporter%20Chris%20Mortensen.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2021-10-12/nfl-jon-gruden-emails-washington-football-team
Several emails between Allen and journalists are part of the filing too. In one of them from July 2011, ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter sent Allen the draft of an unpublished story that was published later the same day.
“Please let me know if you see anything that should be added, changed, tweaked,” Schefter wrote. “Thanks, Mr. Editor, for that and the trust. Plan to file this to espn about 6 am ….”
I am sure Schefter only did this once....
Because I had other more important shit to worry about is my guess.
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JFC you’re both delusional. To the point you can’t accept when you’re clearly wrong.
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Mike Florio here to clear this up.
Fields was not first. Stafford was after they were through with some prelim talks with Wilson. Then came Fields. Then came Rodgers.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-aaron-rodgers-was-third-choice-for-steelers-after-matthew-stafford-and-justin-fields
Feel free to catch me weekdays on PFT Live from 7 a.m. to 9 a.m. and 4p.m. to 6 p.m. ET. As well as on your local sports radio network.
I did not clear this story with Fields, Stafford, Rogers, or anyone affiliated or associated with the Steelers.
Oh, and Hub Arkush can kiss my ass.
I feel like our Mike Florio is a really shitty Mike Florio. He posts the Steelers had prelim discussion with Russell Wilson despite mentioning in his video they never wanted to keep him. Can't even get his own story right.
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I prefer Maybe Mike Florio to Mike Florio. More reliable reporting.
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My reporting is ongoing. While I try and avoid it, I get spun too. But I try and correct myself when I find out I was spun.
You can find me weekdays on PFT Live from 7 a.m. to 9 a.m. and 4p.m. to 6 p.m. ET. As well as on your local sports radio network. Check your local listings for times and dates.
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I wish Mike Florio was more like Adam Hoge.
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I wish Mike Florio was more like Adam Hoge.
Spoiled rich northshore kid with a cocky mouth and bad takes?
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Spoiled rich northshore kid with a cocky mouth and bad takes?
Insert Hoge video destroying you here.
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Insert Hoge video destroying you here.
Sigh…still sticking with this discredited and lame narrative? Of course you are.
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Sigh…still sticking with this discredited and lame narrative? Of course you are.
Still in denial and not gotten your revenge
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Still in denial and not gotten your revenge
1) he was wrong, what I said was proven to be fair
2) he didn’t even accurately represent what I said
3) he has a platform that I don’t have
I could make a comment on Twitter, Alex Jones could “destroy” me on his podcast. I wouldn’t have a way to voice my rebuttal. So clearly Alex jones “destroyed” me! You’re just clinging to this weak Hoge narrative because your entire anti-Tempo agenda is built on a house of cards
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4) he’s a fanboy disguised as a reporter because he has a podcast
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1) he was wrong, what I said was proven to be fair
2) he didn’t even accurately represent what I said
3) he has a platform that I don’t have
I could make a comment on Twitter, Alex Jones could “destroy” me on his podcast. I wouldn’t have a way to voice my rebuttal. So clearly Alex jones “destroyed” me! You’re just clinging to this weak Hoge narrative because your entire anti-Tempo agenda is built on a house of cards
I don't think you have been proven right. Maybe you are; maybe not. Time will tell. Pretty premature on your part.
You are on The Twotter. You have the same reach. Come on, who watches Hoge? No one except you, ironically enough. We never would have known about it if you hadn't raised it. If he was popular, he wouldn't be on whatever that is he is on right now.
I'll do a podcast with you and we can post it here. That will be popular!
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I specifically avoided saying I was “right” and said that what I said was “fair (to voice).” I had concerns that Caleb might not have the laser focus you’d want to see from your franchise rookie quarterback, and there have been plenty of reports that lend credence to those concerns. Hoge made the case that there were no concerns and that I was overreacting, and again, he didn’t even present what I said correctly. Probably purposefully on his part because then he can paint me as captain meatball (and looks “stronger” on his position).
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Again, he misrepresented what I said (probably purposefully). I specifically said I wasn’t mad he was at a golf tournament (golf is my passion, above football even). The fact that Caleb was at a PGA event and following my favorite player made me like Caleb more, not less. I was annoyed he had the business of
the Chicago Bears on hold, but found time to do other things. It was a bit of a red flag to me, and there have been reports those concerns may have been valid.
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I specifically avoided saying I was “right” and said that what I said was “fair (to voice).” I had concerns that Caleb might not have the laser focus you’d want to see from your franchise rookie quarterback, and there have been plenty of reports that lend credence to those concerns. Hoge made the case that there were no concerns and that I was overreacting, and again, he didn’t even present what I said correctly. Probably purposefully on his part because then he can paint me as captain meatball (and looks “stronger” on his position).
Captain Meatball ?
That's a good one.
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Captain Meatball ?
That's a good one.
I made a very specific comment and Hoge changed it to “no, this is your position.” It was bullshit. He just knows he has the platform to rip on commenters who can’t push back.
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I made a very specific comment and Hoge changed it to “no, this is your position.” It was bullshit. He just knows he has the platform to rip on commenters who can’t push back.
Whatever you say, Captain Meatball.
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Captain Meatball. Lol that's great
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That video is the best.
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That video is the best.
I thought so too
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CALEB WILLIAMS FAILED WAYNE WHITLOCK!
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CALEB WILLIAMS FAILED WAYNE WHITLOCK!
The sad part is you are not exaggerating.
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Tempo, how can you accuse Hoge of misstating your position when he read your post verbatim? Captain Meatball was NOT taken out of context!
And you claiming your post was right is a huge stretch.
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That video is the best.
Yeah, I’m sure you think so. Despite the fact he misrepresented what I said, and he was clearly wrong. But he “destroyed” me!
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Tempo, how can you accuse Hoge of misstating your position when he read your post verbatim? Captain Meatball was NOT taken out of context!
And you claiming your post was right is a huge stretch.
Yes, he read it verbatim, then proceeded to give HIS spin on it instead of going with what I actually said. Come on man, you’d had to have learned this shit in law school.
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I had zero problem with him being at the golf tournament. Again, as a HUGE PGA Tour fan, it made me like Caleb more, not less. What I didn’t like was his delaying the business of the Chicago Bears mere days before being drafted #1 overall. If he’s not prioritizing the business of the Chicago Bears (the team certain to take him) at that time, that’s a red flag IMO. I just didn’t think it was a good look. I had zero problem with him being at the golf tournament, I did have a problem with him making the Bears wait for his medicals.
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Tempo, how can you accuse Hoge of misstating your position when he read your post verbatim? Captain Meatball was NOT taken out of context!
And you claiming your post was right is a huge stretch.
For like the third time, I said “fair,” not necessarily “right.”
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How funny is it that Hoge says he LOVES that (this quarterback the Bears are about to draft) is “already a big celebrity.”
When discussing the “celebrity quarterback” article that came out about Caleb Williams a while back PAMan also called that “problematic,” I think is the word he used.
LOLOLOLOL
It’s like they set their own traps and walk into them.
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Clearly Hoge “destroyed” me, though!
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And Mark Carman, “Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock!” Later reported that multiple people within the organization were not impressed by Caleb’s work ethic his rookie year.
This isn’t going well for the Hoge crowd. But you are in denial, so I’m sure you’ll come back with some lame “he destroyed you!” Comment.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/x8Fpy61b/IMG-1911.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fSmvMjXw)
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PAMan, when you tuck me in tonight will you tell me the story about how Adam Hoge “destroyed” me again?!
(https://i.postimg.cc/L4NsFLWY/IMG-1912.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QVKDp9hh)
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Maybe hes a faggot ever think of that?
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I had zero problem with him being at the golf tournament. Again, as a HUGE PGA Tour fan, it made me like Caleb more, not less. What I didn’t like was his delaying the business of the Chicago Bears mere days before being drafted #1 overall. If he’s not prioritizing the business of the Chicago Bears (the team certain to take him) at that time, that’s a red flag IMO. I just didn’t think it was a good look. I had zero problem with him being at the golf tournament, I did have a problem with him making the Bears wait for his medicals.
Except you did have a problem with it because he did not give them the medicals before he went to the golf tourney. That's the whole point of your post: He prioritized the golf tourney over the medicals. Priorities?!
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How funny is it that Hoge says he LOVES that (this quarterback the Bears are about to draft) is “already a big celebrity.”
When discussing the “celebrity quarterback” article that came out about Caleb Williams a while back PAMan also called that “problematic,” I think is the word he used.
LOLOLOLOL
It’s like they set their own traps and walk into them.
The problem with this alleged "gotcha" is that I am not Hoge, so we can have different opinions on this issue. I don't understand how this is some sort of trap
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And Mark Carman, “Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock!” Later reported that multiple people within the organization were not impressed by Caleb’s work ethic his rookie year.
This isn’t going well for the Hoge crowd. But you are in denial, so I’m sure you’ll come back with some lame “he destroyed you!” Comment.
Maybe they didn't like that he wasn't watching film with Waldron. Oh, the story is Waldron wasn't watching film with him. It is a weird contradiction of claims here
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You have me confused since I don't share Hoge's opinions, except for the one that you were overdramatic last year about the medicals.
The texts make that clear
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LMAO
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IMO the weeks leading up to the draft and immediately after are an incredibly important time for a rookie FRANCHISE quarterback. IMO that means he should be prioritizing the needs of the team he’s about to be taken by (and in this case we knew it exactly). Again, I’m one of the biggest PGA Tour fans out there, I wasn’t mad Caleb was at a PGA event. I was bothered that he needlessly made the FRANCHISE he was about to LEAD wait for his medicals.
I have zero to be ashamed about with this take. Again, Mark “Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock!” Carman even reported there were people who were unimpressed with his commitment level within the Bears organization. My questioning his “Priorities?!” Seems to have been pretty fair (notice I didnt say “right”).
But Hoge was happy we had a “Celebrity quarterback!”
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You have me confused since I don't share Hoge's opinions, except for the one that you were overdramatic last year about the medicals.
The texts make that clear
“Overdramatic.” I made a comment on the Internet…it’s not like I was demonstrating at Halas Hall. I merely saw a potential red flag and that observation has been validated by some reports on Caleb’s rookie year.
And I like how Hoge validated his thoughts with “I was born at Lincoln and Armitage!” LOL
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Maybe hes a faggot ever think of that?
Fine by me. As an advocate for the gheys I wish he’d come out.
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If I were being unreasonable, I’d have blasted Caleb for not “working on his craft” instead of being at a golf tournament. Much like ThePAMan used to do when he saw Justin Fields attend Bulls games with his receivers…
It wasn’t about “he should be working,” it was about his priorities. Of which the Chicago Bears apparently were not his main one it seems.
The double standards will never end with ThePAMan. “He’s basically a rookie again,” anyway.
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And also his reluctancy to prioritize the business of the Chicago Bears, could’ve been a clue about his hesitancy of being a Chicago Bear.
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We shall see if it was fair or not. Seems premature, as premature as your Priorities Twotter post that you got roasted over.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/13/michael-tait-sexual-assault-allegations
Fields a big fan!
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“Workaholic!” I’m sure PAMan has thoughts on this.
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/jets-glowing-scouting-report-workaholic-034400386.html
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“Workaholic!” I’m sure PAMan has thoughts on this.
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/jets-glowing-scouting-report-workaholic-034400386.html
And where is he right now?
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Physically?
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Physically?
Yes
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Yes
Why does that matter?
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Why does that matter?
He's currently playing flag football in Bermuda with kids instead of going over the play book and watching film.
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He's currently playing flag football in Bermuda with kids instead of going over the play book and watching film.
LOLOLOLOL
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So he can’t take a playbook and an iPad with him to Bermuda? Where he’s working out and throwing?
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This might be even funnier than your why is he at a Bulls game with his receivers take.
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LOLOLOLOL
Destined for another disasterous season.
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Disasterous!
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Disasterous!
For Rich Eisen and you, undoubtedly.
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Because he’s a Jets fan?
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Because he’s a Jets fan?
yes
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Justin Fields has led his teams to an 0-22 record when opponents score at least 21 points
NFL teams score 22.4 points/game the last 4 years
Fields is the only QB winless the last 4 years with at least 10 starts made
https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1939828770862490098?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1939828770862490098%7Ctwgr%5Ed6d0b5bf57cc024355d6bfea1c9a1829bb566508%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fchicagofanatics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D72t%3D127028p%3D4140107sid%3Da405be2d8d656b8553d1bcde80a04966p4140107
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What was the defense giving up in those losses? Justin Fields was usually the best offensive player on his team most of those games, as well.
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What was the defense giving up in those losses? Justin Fields was usually the best offensive player on his team most of those games, as well.
LOL... 0 wins!
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Why are you sharing stuff from X?
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LOL... 0 wins!
LOL...and about the same amount of "help."
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Why are you sharing stuff from X?
Saw it posted in thumbnail form elsewhere
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LOL...and about the same amount of "help."
Everyone else's fault!
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The dude giving me shit relentlessly for several years about being on Twitter is sharing links from.Twitter.
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Everyone else's fault!
Plenty of blame to go around.
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The dude giving me shit relentlessly for several years about being on Twitter is sharing links from.Twitter.
I'm not the one constantly supporting the Trump funders while bitching about Trump!
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Plenty of blame to go around.
Always the politics of personal destruction.
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Go to another Cubs game and bitch about it.
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Did Justin Fields occasionally contribute to his teams' problems? Yes. Was he "the problem?" I'd argue far from it.
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Go to another Cubs game and bitch about it.
The guy at the grab and go beer stand looked like he was going to cry tears of joy when I gave him a $10 tip. He did remember me later
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Did Justin Fields occasionally contribute to his teams' problems? Yes. Was he "the problem?" I'd argue far from it.
We are well aware of how Fields' teammates let him down and how Caleb Williams let you down.
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We are well aware of how Fields' teammates let him down and how Caleb Williams let you down.
Said by Mark Carman, who later backed up my concerns with his reporting.
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Said by Mark Carman, who later backed up my concerns with his reporting.
Where was this reporting?
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Where was this reporting?
On air with Carrington Harrison early Sunday morning about two months ago.
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On air with Carrington Harrison early Sunday morning about two months ago.
Unfamiliar with young Carrington's work. Is there a transcript?
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Unfamiliar with young Carrington's work. Is there a transcript?
Probably not. But it's probably on the audacy app.
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What was the defense giving up in those losses? Justin Fields was usually the best offensive player on his team most of those games, as well.
at least 21 points
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at least 21 points
Congrats, you just told (part) of the story. I prefer, the entire story.
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Congrats, you just told (part) of the story. I prefer, the entire story.
I think the zero wins and avg ppg for nfl teams tells the rest doesnt it?
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I think the zero wins and avg ppg for nfl teams tells the rest doesnt it?
It says he’s played on a lot of bad teams.
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It says he’s played on a lot of bad teams.
Yes, the Steeler sucked
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Yes, the Steeler sucked
The Steelers account for one game in this stat.
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The Steelers account for one game in this stat.
Fields’ stats in that one game. He apparently wasn’t the problem.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FF23bMLz/IMG-2176.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Obviously wasn't good enough since he lost another game where the opponent scored over 21 points. Sonetimes your QB has to won you a game. Kind of like the Washington game last year until Eberlose allowed Stevenson to work his magic.
Remember when you said there were reasons to bring Eberlose back? Great call.
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Fields’ stats in that one game. He apparently wasn’t the problem.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FF23bMLz/IMG-2176.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
To be fair, he's had 2 games with 300+ passing yards.
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Obviously wasn't good enough since he lost another game where the opponent scored over 21 points. Sonetimes your QB has to won you a game. Kind of like the Washington game last year until Eberlose allowed Stevenson to work his magic.
Remember when you said there were reasons to bring Eberlose back? Great call.
I said there was a case to be made if you were looking to do so. And George clearing was looking to do so. I also said if you were drafting Caleb (or another #1 overall quarterback) the smart move was to fire him. You always forget to mention that part.
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Obviously wasn't good enough since he lost another game where the opponent scored over 21 points. Sonetimes your QB has to won you a game. Kind of like the Washington game last year until Eberlose allowed Stevenson to work his magic
LOL
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Obviously wasn't good enough since he lost another game where the opponent scored over 21 points. Sonetimes your QB has to won you a game. Kind of like the Washington game last year until Eberlose allowed Stevenson to work his magic.
Remember when you said there were reasons to bring Eberlose back? Great call.
I’m sure the George Pickens fumble at the 5 yard line was Fields’ fault.
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It was
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I said there was a case to be made if you were looking to do so. And George clearing was looking to do so. I also said if you were drafting Caleb (or another #1 overall quarterback) the smart move was to fire him. You always forget to mention that part.
Yet again. There. Was. No. Case. To. Be. Made. For. Bringing. Back. Eberlose. None.
ThePaMan won't even take credit for being AOTC on that one since it was so obvious. Well, to anyone paying attention and who doesn't have their heads up Fields's ass....
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Other than the fact lots of experts saw the reasons (ascending defense, “improvement.”) Did those turn out to be bad reasons in the end? Yes. Bringing back Flus wasn’t “highly controversial.” Believe it or not, your opinion isn’t indisputable fact.
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I’d probably give you a little more credit for being AOTC on Eberflus if you weren’t already calling for his firing like 2 games into his career as a HC.
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Other than the fact lots of experts saw the reasons (ascending defense, “improvement.”) Did those turn out to be bad reasons in the end? Yes. Bringing back Flus wasn’t “highly controversial.” Believe it or not, your opinion isn’t indisputable fact.
You should stop reading those purported "experts." They are not experts and the defense, lit up by Off The Couch Flacco, was not ascending, as I warned you at the time. Agaian, listen to Twotter Morons are your own risk. You are better off listening to The PAMan. Even if I am the Tallest Midget....
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I’d probably give you a little more credit for being AOTC on Eberflus if you weren’t already calling for his firing like 2 games into his career as a HC.
Except for the part where I was completely accurate in my assessment. Actually, I said he never should have been hired at the time he was hired. That was completely accurate.
Eberlose is my Mack Trade.
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I’d probably give you a little more credit for being AOTC on Eberflus if you weren’t already calling for his firing like 2 games into his career as a HC.
Someone here asked to be just fucking shot. Before his 1st game.
(https://i.ibb.co/0jTScQ2B/Screenshot-20250704-080643-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LzmW8vRQ)
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Someone here asked to be just fucking shot. Before his 1st game.
(https://i.ibb.co/0jTScQ2B/Screenshot-20250704-080643-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LzmW8vRQ)
True, I was not enthused about the hire. But I was going to give him
more than 2-3 games with a shitty roster before calling for his job.
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I was not calling for his head when I knew the team he was given sucked.
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You should stop reading those purported "experts." They are not experts and the defense, lit up by Off The Couch Flacco, was not ascending, as I warned you at the time. Agaian, listen to Twotter Morons are your own risk. You are better off listening to The PAMan. Even if I am the Tallest Midget....
I never said the case to bring Eberflus back was ironclad. It definitely had some holes you could punch through rather easily. I’m just not convinced George was going to make a change with the defense playing well, the team “improving,” and the arrow pointing up as a whole (Caleb and all). And Flus having 3 years left on his deal. Again, I said they needed to fire Flus if changing quarterbacks.
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True, I was not enthused about the hire. But I was going to give him
more than 2-3 games with a shitty roster before calling for his job.
Ho, ho, ho.
Not if you were dead.
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True, I was not enthused about the hire. But I was going to give him
more than 2-3 games with a shitty roster before calling for his job.
Uh, you claimed I was wrong to call for him to be fired after two games. You can't make the stuff up.
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Uh, you claimed I was wrong to call for him to be fired after two games. You can't make the stuff up.
“Wrong?” Not really. Just ridiculous. No one is getting fired after two games, especially if he’s given a gutted roster to work with.
You are really good at making stuff up, actually.
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You literally thought the 2022 Bears should have been a playoff team. Their roster was utter garbage. Mostly by design.
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“Wrong?” Not really. Just ridiculous. No one is getting fired after two games, especially if he’s given a gutted roster to work with.
You are really good at making stuff up, actually.
You originally said you would give him 2 to 3 games. So, obviously, you believed that was reasonable. When you believed I gave him 2 games, all of a sudden it is unreasonable.
You cannot make this stuff up.
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I never once said I’d “give him 2-3 games.” I’d never base my full opinion on a coach’s job status on 2-3 games with a shitty roster. You’re completely making shit up.
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His first year was a “throwaway” year for the entire franchise. Anyone with a brain realized this. There was no serious effort to win by management.
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You should stop reading those purported "experts." They are not experts and the defense, lit up by Off The Couch Flacco, was not ascending, as I warned you at the time. Agaian, listen to Twotter Morons are your own risk. You are better off listening to The PAMan. Even if I am the Tallest Midget....
I think the defense would have been fine if not for some key injuries. It happens.
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I never once said I’d “give him 2-3 games.” I’d never base my full opinion on a coach’s job status on 2-3 games with a shitty roster. You’re completely making shit up.
You wanted to shoot yourself when be was an option to be hired. And youwould give him 4 games before deciding he sucked?
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You literally thought the 2022 Bears should have been a playoff team. Their roster was utter garbage. Mostly by design.
I never said that. We all saw that he was not getting the most out of the rather pathetic roster, and its crappy QB.
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You wanted to shoot yourself when be was an option to be hired. And youwould give him 4 games before deciding he sucked?
Was not thrilled with the hire. Once he was here, I was willing to give him a shot. What other choice did I have? I specifically remember saying I wasn’t going to take much out of his rookie year. The roster sucked and was basically a tank year. Year 2 was a mostly mixed bag, with some positives and negatives. I said multiple times they should change the coach if changing the quarterback. Don’t know what else I could say to make you happy.
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Was not thrilled with the hire. Once he was here, I was willing to give him a shot. What other choice did I have? I specifically remember saying I wasn’t going to take much out of his rookie year. The roster sucked and was basically a tank year. Year 2 was a mostly mixed bag, with some positives and negatives. I said multiple times they should change the coach if changing the quarterback. Don’t know what else I could say to make you happy.
If you sometimes knew what you were talking about would make me happy! You have had a dry spell since the Mack Trade!
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Justin Fields is the GREATEST quarterback of ALL-TIME. Fact!
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Fields had to be carted off of the practice field due to a dislocated toe? C'mon man!
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I suppose there is enough reasonably legitimate criticism to level at Fields without making shit up. And I know you saw this, because I sent it to you yesterday.
(https://i.postimg.cc/63rbT9Wk/IMG-2439.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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"appeared to hurt his leg.
Dislocated a toe, but not the important toe. The big toe.
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He's a baby and a whiner. We all know that from his Bear tenure
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LOL
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I remember when Spark basically said a rookie Darnell Wright was a gift to Justin Fields (what else does he need?!). Still searching for consistency entering year 3.
https://dawindycity.com/bears-coach-publicly-criticizes-disappointing-offensive-piece-01k2mbk5s5hv
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I remember when Spark basically said a rookie Darnell Wright was a gift to Justin Fields (what else does he need?!). Still searching for consistency entering year 3.
https://dawindycity.com/bears-coach-publicly-criticizes-disappointing-offensive-piece-01k2mbk5s5hv
So you are suggesting he was anlther Poles Special?
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No, just saying he’s not been “a difference maker” to this point. I’m not giving up on him, but I’m not glazing him to be more than he’s been either. He’s been serviceable, not a lot more.
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If you listened to Spark it was like they gave Fields a Pro Bowl tackle.
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No, just saying he’s not been “a difference maker” to this point. I’m not giving up on him, but I’m not glazing him to be more than he’s been either. He’s been serviceable, not a lot more.
Do you think he will be a difference maker but it wouldn't surprise you if he wasn't?
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Do you think he will be a difference maker but it wouldn't surprise you if he wasn't?
Exactly.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/tgyCxtVr/IMG-3179.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZW7SkNH3)
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https://x.com/ctm_show/status/1965054572747268176?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Sounds like may need to update the shrine with Tyrod Taylor.... He may not give the starting job back!
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Sounds like may need to update the shrine with Tyrod Taylor.... He may not give the starting job back!
Tyrod and Bustin are the same guy
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https://thejetpress.com/tyrod-taylor-erased-doubt-about-justin-fields-jets-job-security-01k5mm65sbdh
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https://thejetpress.com/tyrod-taylor-erased-doubt-about-justin-fields-jets-job-security-01k5mm65sbdh
Nice spin, Tempo. Now let’s hear the real story…
(https://i.ibb.co/jk6FSyxT/IMG-7648.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0yD3xCWc)
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Nice spin, Tempo. Now let’s hear the real story…
(https://i.ibb.co/jk6FSyxT/IMG-7648.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0yD3xCWc)
I didn’t spin anything. I shared an article.
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I didn’t spin anything. I shared an article.
We know why…
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We know why…
Oohhhh, you burned me! Maybe he does go to Tyrod, but that would be a tremendously stupid decision on multiple levels.
1) Tyrod is a 36 year old quarterback who relies on athleticism to bolster his game. He has no future.
2) Threw a pick 6 and lost a fumble. Accumulated most of his stats against a Tampa team protecting a 2nd half lead. Is that really an upgrade?
3) Will probably end up going back to Fields at some point (and then his decision making looks questionable).
4) If he keeps Fields as the starter and it sucks, he can scapegoat Fields and probably not get any flak for it. Essentially buys himself a free year.
There’s not reason whatsoever to go to Tyrod. Which means he’ll probably go to Tyrod because NFL coaches are stupid.
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His fucking defense is the bigger issue than the quarterback.
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I have a hard time envisioning any scenario in which someone here would say Fields played well enough to keep a starting job after throwing a pick 6 and losing a fumble in his only start.
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I just watched the two turnovers and they were as egregious as it gets. At least Justin has the explosive playmaking ability to atone for mistakes. We'll see.
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https://thejetpress.com/tyrod-taylor-erased-doubt-about-justin-fields-jets-job-security-01k5mm65sbdh
Lol. This had to be written at halftime.
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Tempo telling Judge Judy and me that Fields is better than Kyler Murray is something.....
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Tempo telling Judge Judy and me that Fields is better than Kyler Murray is something.....
And it’s crazy because Kyler’s a midget!
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Tempo telling Judge Judy and me that Fields is better than Kyler Murray is something.....
If you gave him 7 uninterrupted years as starter? Probably.
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Meanwhile, here’s some ELITE quarterback play!
https://x.com/thebteampod/status/1973035710904217878?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Man, you guys think the Fields cult is strong; it’s nothing compared to the meltdown of Dillon Gabriel being ahead of Shedeur Sanders.
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Man, you guys think the Fields cult is strong; it’s nothing compared to the meltdown of Dillon Gabriel being ahead of Shedeur Sanders.
Yeah, the Shedeur slurping is insane
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Meanwhile, here’s some ELITE quarterback play!
https://x.com/thebteampod/status/1973035710904217878?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
He should stick to getting his but stuffed
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Great half for Sh1t against a team Williams, and everyone else, has sliced and diced.
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He almost got the Jets to triple digits in passing offense after 3 quarters. Against his old coach and the worst pass defense in the league.
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He almost got the Jets to triple digits in passing offense after 3 quarters. Against his old coach and the worst pass defense in the league.
Lot of garbage time stats that someone here would always harp on about the current Bear QB....
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I'm hoping that Tempo changes his name to 0-26...... That's Fields' record when his opponent scores 21 or more points
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I'm hoping that Tempo changes his name to 0-26...... That's Fields' record when his opponent scores 21 or more points
;D
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On the riddet ......
"Tank for Manning?
Is it a crazy thought that the Jets are tanking for the Manning kid?"
How many times have 2 different NFL teams tanked within 5 years with the same starting qb, er wingback ?
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I'm hoping that Tempo changes his name to 0-26...... That's Fields' record when his opponent scores 21 or more points
that's an insane stat for real though
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Meanwhile, the Bears have their QB…
https://x.com/chibearsmuse/status/1974886158963515507?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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I'm hoping that Tempo changes his name to 0-26...... That's Fields' record when his opponent scores 21 or more points
He’s special though. See if any other QB can do THIS…
https://x.com/haterreport_/status/1974892587816452508?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Fields couldn't even beat Eberflus LMAO
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that's an insane stat for real though
Cherry picked as fuck. I can point to a lot of reasons that happened. Missed extra points, dropped passes on 4th down etc.
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Fields couldn't even beat Eberflus LMAO
Have you watched the Jets? The defense gives up 32 points a game, they can’t run 3 offensive plays without a penalty, and guys not named Fields keep making costly fumbles.
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He’s special though. See if any other QB can do THIS…
https://x.com/haterreport_/status/1974892587816452508?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
That’s proof of? You’re trying too hard. Plenty to criticize Fields for, he’s not “the problem” with the Jets. Right now Aaron Glenn looks like Rich Kotite (widely regarded as the worst head coach ever).
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Meanwhile, the Bears have their QB…
https://x.com/chibearsmuse/status/1974886158963515507?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
LOL he’s had zero good games against a good team in a year and a half. I think Caleb is doing well, but he’s far from a top tier quarterback just yet.
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I'm hoping that Tempo changes his name to 0-26...... That's Fields' record when his opponent scores 21 or more points
As I was saying, at least 3 Eberflus collapses in there. Mooney (multiple
times and no longer a Bear), Scott (multiple times and no longer a Bear), Tonyan (no longer a Bear), Ihmir-Smith (no longer a Bear), St. Brown (no longer a Bear) all could have contributed to wins but ultimately let Fields and the team down.
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Again, there’s definitely flaws in his game you can bag on, but if you’ve watched the Jets you know he’s a long way from their biggest problem.
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On the riddet ......
"Tank for Manning?
Is it a crazy thought that the Jets are tanking for the Manning kid?"
How many times have 2 different NFL teams tanked within 5 years with the same starting qb, er wingback ?
Anyone saying “tank for Manning” at this point doesn’t know a fucking thing about football.
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No one gets let off the hook more than this guy, who gets paid more annually than Patrick Mahomes. 7 uninterrupted years as starter (minus ACL tear).
(https://i.postimg.cc/SRtpMQ6T/IMG-3510.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Cherry picked as fuck. I can point to a lot of reasons that happened. Missed extra points, dropped passes on 4th down etc.
Hilarious.
He's the only eligible QB with that stat. The ONLY 1. He's 1 alright.
Zero and 26. ZERO wins.
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You’re on the wrong board to be complaining about Murray in your defense of Fields. Nobody cares about Murray because he was never a Bear. He sucks too though. He has an excuse of being a midget though, what’s Fields…
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As I was saying, at least 3 Eberflus collapses in there. Mooney (multiple
times and no longer a Bear), Scott (multiple times and no longer a Bear), Tonyan (no longer a Bear), Ihmir-Smith (no longer a Bear), St. Brown (no longer a Bear) all could have contributed to wins but ultimately let Fields and the team down.
Omitted the Denver game and all the other games where Fields sucked ass.
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No one gets let off the hook more than this guy, who gets paid more annually than Patrick Mahomes. 7 uninterrupted years as starter (minus ACL tear).
(https://i.postimg.cc/SRtpMQ6T/IMG-3510.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
He's not 0 for 26 when opponents score 21 or more points.....
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Omitted the Denver game and all the other games where Fields sucked ass.
The game where the defense gave up 21 points in the last 15 minutes or so? All Fields’ fault. Anyone else QBs that game and you’d have been railing on the defensive collapse to this day. Because you are a hypocrite.
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He's not 0 for 26 when opponents score 21 or more points.....
He didn’t play on the Eberflus Bears and had to throw to practice squad guys for two years.
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People act like they didn’t literally tear the roster down around Fields. Very selective memories around here.
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We traded the 32nd pick in the draft for Chase Claypool to “help” Fields.
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The game where the defense gave up 21 points in the last 15 minutes or so? All Fields’ fault. Anyone else QBs that game and you’d have been railing on the defensive collapse to this day. Because you are a hypocrite.
0 and 26. He sucks. Not a winner.
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The game where the defense gave up 21 points in the last 15 minutes or so? All Fields’ fault. Anyone else QBs that game and you’d have been railing on the defensive collapse to this day. Because you are a hypocrite.
Notes conveniently omitted was Fields' fumble and INT that handed the game to Denver....
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He didn’t play on the Eberflus Bears and had to throw to practice squad guys for two years.
Right. He plays for that football powerhouse the AZ Cardinal.
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He didn’t play on the Eberflus Bears and had to throw to practice squad guys for two years.
He didn’t?
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The guy who told us that there were reasons to bring back Eberlose now blaming Eberlose.... Classic
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Notes conveniently omitted was Fields' fumble and INT that handed the game to Denver....
What about the other 17 points Fields didn’t give up in the last 15:14? You’re the same guy who bitches like crazy if the Bears give up a 20 yard play, yet you never fault anyone but Fields for that collapse that had the defenses’ fingerprints all over it.
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The guy who told us that there were reasons to bring back Eberlose now blaming Eberlose.... Classic
You are not a truthful actor.
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Cherry picked as fuck. I can point to a lot of reasons that happened. Missed extra points, dropped passes on 4th down etc.
You got 26 games worth of excuses?
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What about the other 17 points Fields didn’t give up in the last 15:14? You’re the same guy who bitches like crazy if the Bears give up a 20 yard play, yet you never fault anyone but Fields for that collapse that had the defenses’ fingerprints all over it.
4th quarter turnovers by Sh1t. Just one of the 26. Not a winner. You were wrong
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0 and 26. He sucks. Not a winner.
As I’ve pointed out. No one thought Baker was a winner. He was older than Fields is currently when he was on 4 teams in two years.
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You got 26 games worth of excuses?
You know he does.
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I’ve pointed out multiple quarterbacks who’ve found success after a long time in the wilderness.
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As I’ve pointed out. No one thought Baker was a winner. He was older than Fields is currently when he was on 4 teams in two years.
You and the Twotter Imbeciles are the only ones who think Fields is a winner.
0 - 26.
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You know he does.
No, but a large handful. Are the good quarterbacks all undefeated in this stat?
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I’ve pointed out multiple quarterbacks who’ve found success after a long time in the wilderness.
How many of them are 0 - 26 when the opponent scores 21 or more points?
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You and the Twotter Imbeciles are the only ones who think Fields is a winner.
0 - 26.
Where did I say he was “a winner?”
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No, but a large handful. Are the good quarterbacks all undefeated in this stat?
LOL. They aren't winless like your Zero Hero
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How many of them are 0 - 26 when the opponent scores 21 or more points?
How many of them had the roster burned down around them in their first full year as a starter?
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How many of them had the roster burned down around them in their first full year as a starter?
I'm sure a few. And they still were not winless when the opponent scores a mere 3 TDs in a game
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You got 26 games worth of excuses?
Is 26-0 the standard? Doubt anyone has achieved that.
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I'm sure a few. And they still were not winless when the opponent scores a mere 3 TDs in a game
Name me one.
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Is 26-0 the standard? Doubt anyone has achieved that.
0-26. Sh1t is actually number 1 in something.....
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Go ahead, name one.
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Name me one.
I'll say Payton Manning. The Colts were bad wben he got there.
And Sh1t was on the Steelers last year and could not win a game when the opponent scored, GASP, a whole 21 points!
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Just did. Sorry you are 0-26 in this thread. Just like your loser Zero Hero
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0-26
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Never won a game, in 5 years, where the opponent scores a whole 3 TDs
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But the Twotter Short Bus Kids love him!
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I'll say Payton Manning. The Colts were bad wben he got there.
And Sh1t was on the Steelers last year and could not win a game when the opponent scored, GASP, a whole 21 points!
Wrong. Yes, bad when he got there. They did not deliberately get rid of every semi-valuable asset and have half the team on one year “prove it” deals his first full year as a starter. I think like 2 of those guys were still here a year later. You’re probably more right on Poles than I’d like to admit.
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I'll say Payton Manning. The Colts were bad wben he got there.
And Sh1t was on the Steelers last year and could not win a game when the opponent scored, GASP, a whole 21 points!
Najee Harris, Headcase Pickens (who Tomlin couldn’t get rid of fast enough), a bad OL and the most conservative HC/OC duo in the league. A lot to work with there.
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He was 4-2 as starter, and the defense wasn’t all that as you’ve pointed out multiple times.
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He was 4-2 as starter, and the defense wasn’t all that as you’ve pointed out multiple times.
C'mon it's 21 points....
But considering you are 0 - 5,375 in arguments with me here, I can understand why you empathize with Sh1t
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C'mon it's 21 points....
But considering you are 0 - 5,375 in arguments with me here, I can understand why you empathize with Sh1t
I’m sure you think that.
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Orlavsky must be on Whitehair’s payroll.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FzDpD71K/IMG-3513.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0KK7N5Yg)
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Although I wouldn’t call Fields “great” today. He was far from the biggest problem. Still holds the ball too long, though.
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I’m sure you think that.
Facts. Like 0-26.
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You do love that cherry picked stat.
As I’ve said, I think Justin would have been well served to go to a good team and backup for a year maybe two. SF, MN, LA, KC whatever. But it’s hard to say no to a 40 million dollar check and a starter’s job.
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Fields still has flaws, but he’s not “the problem” with the Jets. He’s one of their 3 best players. And that might be a problem. Their coaching looks really suspect right now.
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You do love that cherry picked stat.
As I’ve said, I think Justin would have been well served to go to a good team and backup for a year maybe two. SF, MN, LA, KC whatever. But it’s hard to say no to a 40 million dollar check and a starter’s job.
As noted previously, you previously mocked the notion that he should be standing on the sideline paying attention....
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Fields still has flaws, but he’s not “the problem” with the Jets. He’s one of their 3 best players. And that might be a problem. Their coaching looks really suspect right now.
It's a problem because he isn't any good
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You do love that cherry picked stat.
As I’ve said, I think Justin would have been well served to go to a good team and backup for a year maybe two. SF, MN, LA, KC whatever. But it’s hard to say no to a 40 million dollar check and a starter’s job.
You said that when he went to Pittsburgh and was under Wilson and Tomlin. You were praising the hell out of Tomlin when Fields chose to go there. Now you’ve ripped on him and previously used him as an excuse why he didn’t succeed there…
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As noted previously, you previously mocked the notion that he should be standing on the sideline paying attention....
In year 2, on a bad team? Yes. Unfortunately if you don’t already have a HOF starter still near his prime “sitting and learning” isn’t really a thing. They have to know sooner rather than later so they can make a decision on an extension.
When guys wash out, they can then sit and learn. 1st round picks on rookie deals don’t sit and learn anymore.
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In year 2, on a bad team? Yes. Unfortunately if you don’t already have a HOF starter still near his prime “sitting and learning” isn’t really a thing. They have to know sooner rather than later so they can make a decision on an extension.
When guys wash out, they can then sit and learn. 1st round picks on rookie deals don’t sit and learn anymore.
And then they dumped him. And dumped your guy Eberlose.
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You said that when he went to Pittsburgh and was under Wilson and Tomlin. You were praising the hell out of Tomlin when Fields chose to go there. Now you’ve ripped on him and previously used him as an excuse why he didn’t succeed there…
I thought Pittsburgh might be a good place for him. It wasn’t the worst for sure, but it’s also more than apparent Tomlin hasn’t developed a QB probably ever. He inherited Ben didn’t he? Tomlin is a great leader of men, but not the guy who’s going to develop a QB. Arthur Smith would run the ball 80x a game if he could.
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A year in Mn, SF, LA, or KC could do Justin a lot of good. It’s also very possible Justin is just a career backup. He could easily start for most of the bottom 10-12 teams. He might not ever be “great,” but he is an NFL quarterback, which PAMan said he would never be.
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And then they dumped him. And dumped your guy Eberlose.
Again; they did not “dump him.” You lie frequently. Tomlin and Smith wanted him back and offered him a contract.
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Oops, thought you meant the Steelers. Well, Ryan Poles gets EVERYTHING wrong, amirite?!
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Ebeflus was not “my guy.” You sure are loose with the truth. I said the prudent thing to do was fire Eberflus if they were drafting Caleb (or a new quarterback). Did I give Eberflus more rope than he probably deserved? Yes. “My guy?” That’s a huge reach.
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This guy thinks I’m not backing Fields strong enough…
(https://i.postimg.cc/63m5nNNC/IMG-3514.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JDjLCv0h)
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1 Patrick Mahomes Kansas City Chiefs 85% Led Chiefs to multiple playoff victories and a Super Bowl appearance.
2 Josh Allen Buffalo Bills 82% Known for his dual-threat ability and clutch performances in high-scoring games.
3 Joe Burrow Cincinnati Bengals 80% Led Bengals to Super Bowl LVI and multiple playoff wins.
4 Jalen Hurts Philadelphia Eagles 78% Guided Eagles to Super Bowl LVII and consistent high-scoring victories.
5 Justin Herbert Los Angeles Chargers 75% Demonstrated resilience in shootouts and comeback victories.
6 Lamar Jackson Baltimore Ravens 74% Combined rushing and passing prowess in high-scoring games.
7 Dak Prescott Dallas Cowboys 72% Led Cowboys to multiple playoff appearances with high-scoring victories.
8 Trevor Lawrence Jacksonville Jaguars 70% Showed poise in playoff games and high-scoring regular season matchups.
9 Tua Tagovailoa Miami Dolphins 68% Known for explosive performances in high-scoring games.
10 Kirk Cousins Minnesota Vikings 67% Consistent performer in high-scoring games.
11 Matthew Stafford Los Angeles Rams 65% Led Rams to Super Bowl LVI with high-scoring victories.
12 Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers 63% Multiple MVPs and playoff victories in high-scoring games.
13 Tom Brady Tampa Bay Buccaneers 61% Led Buccaneers to Super Bowl LV with high-scoring performances.
14 Ryan Tannehill Tennessee Titans 60% Key contributor to Titans' high-scoring victories.
15 Matt Ryan Atlanta Falcons 58% Led Falcons to Super Bowl LI with high-scoring games.
16 Carson Wentz Indianapolis Colts 57% Contributed to Colts' high-scoring victories.
17 Jimmy Garoppolo San Francisco 49ers 55% Led 49ers to Super Bowl LIV with high-scoring performances.
18 Derek Carr Las Vegas Raiders 54% Consistent performer in high-scoring games.
19 Baker Mayfield Cleveland Browns 53% Led Browns to playoff victory with high-scoring performances.
20 Daniel Jones New York Giants 52% Contributed to Giants' high-scoring victories.
21 Geno Smith Seattle Seahawks 51% Showed resilience in high-scoring games.
22 Sam Darnold Carolina Panthers 50% Contributed to Panthers' high-scoring victories.
23 Teddy Bridgewater Carolina Panthers 48% Led Panthers to high-scoring victories.
24 Cam Newton New England Patriots 47% Contributed to Patriots' high-scoring victories.
25 Nick Foles Chicago Bears 46% Led Bears to high-scoring victories.
26 Mitch Trubisky Chicago Bears 45% Contributed to Bears' high-scoring victories.
27 Andy Dalton New Orleans Saints 44% Led Saints to high-scoring victories.
28 Jacoby Brissett Washington Commanders 43% Contributed to Commanders' high-scoring victories.
29 Desmond Ridder Atlanta Falcons 42% Showed potential in high-scoring games.
30 Zach Wilson New York Jets 41% Contributed to Jets' high-scoring victories.
the 30th best win percentage for a QB in which an opponent scores 21 or more points is at 41% literally no other starting QB has a 0% win rate from what I can find
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LOL good “work” bro
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Meanwhile, fieLdS iS nOT eLiTE
https://x.com/_mlfootball/status/1974918082993991717?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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How does this FFF not see that EVERYTHING is Fields’ fault?!
(https://i.postimg.cc/nLyrsJKP/IMG-3518.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cKc0jPbR)
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LOL good “work” bro
I had to practically beg chat gpt to run the numbers
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I had to practically beg chat gpt to run the numbers
Ask chat gpt how many of those quarterbacks had to play most of their games under a Bears/Eberflus “rebuild.”
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Again; they did not “dump him.” You lie frequently. Tomlin and Smith wanted him back and offered him a contract.
After Russ said Adios they low balled Sh1t. We have established this already. Another argument where you got snoked.
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A year in Mn, SF, LA, or KC could do Justin a lot of good. It’s also very possible Justin is just a career backup. He could easily start for most of the bottom 10-12 teams. He might not ever be “great,” but he is an NFL quarterback, which PAMan said he would never be.
He doesn't want to be coached or have to think on the field. Going to those places would be a waste of everyone's time.
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A year in Mn, SF, LA, or KC could do Justin a lot of good. It’s also very possible Justin is just a career backup. He could easily start for most of the bottom 10-12 teams. He might not ever be “great,” but he is an NFL quarterback, which PAMan said he would never be.
The notion that Sh1t could start for 10 to 12 teams is preposterous. You are in denial. All those teams could have had him but didn't want him. Dude sucks.. Deserves to be a Jet at this point.
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Ebeflus was not “my guy.” You sure are loose with the truth. I said the prudent thing to do was fire Eberflus if they were drafting Caleb (or a new quarterback). Did I give Eberflus more rope than he probably deserved? Yes. “My guy?” That’s a huge reach.
Don't deny that you are the guy that said there were reasons to bring Eberlose back.
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This guy thinks I’m not backing Fields strong enough…
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Surprsing that there are Football Idiots on the Twotter. Who knew?
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1 Patrick Mahomes Kansas City Chiefs 85% Led Chiefs to multiple playoff victories and a Super Bowl appearance.
2 Josh Allen Buffalo Bills 82% Known for his dual-threat ability and clutch performances in high-scoring games.
3 Joe Burrow Cincinnati Bengals 80% Led Bengals to Super Bowl LVI and multiple playoff wins.
4 Jalen Hurts Philadelphia Eagles 78% Guided Eagles to Super Bowl LVII and consistent high-scoring victories.
5 Justin Herbert Los Angeles Chargers 75% Demonstrated resilience in shootouts and comeback victories.
6 Lamar Jackson Baltimore Ravens 74% Combined rushing and passing prowess in high-scoring games.
7 Dak Prescott Dallas Cowboys 72% Led Cowboys to multiple playoff appearances with high-scoring victories.
8 Trevor Lawrence Jacksonville Jaguars 70% Showed poise in playoff games and high-scoring regular season matchups.
9 Tua Tagovailoa Miami Dolphins 68% Known for explosive performances in high-scoring games.
10 Kirk Cousins Minnesota Vikings 67% Consistent performer in high-scoring games.
11 Matthew Stafford Los Angeles Rams 65% Led Rams to Super Bowl LVI with high-scoring victories.
12 Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers 63% Multiple MVPs and playoff victories in high-scoring games.
13 Tom Brady Tampa Bay Buccaneers 61% Led Buccaneers to Super Bowl LV with high-scoring performances.
14 Ryan Tannehill Tennessee Titans 60% Key contributor to Titans' high-scoring victories.
15 Matt Ryan Atlanta Falcons 58% Led Falcons to Super Bowl LI with high-scoring games.
16 Carson Wentz Indianapolis Colts 57% Contributed to Colts' high-scoring victories.
17 Jimmy Garoppolo San Francisco 49ers 55% Led 49ers to Super Bowl LIV with high-scoring performances.
18 Derek Carr Las Vegas Raiders 54% Consistent performer in high-scoring games.
19 Baker Mayfield Cleveland Browns 53% Led Browns to playoff victory with high-scoring performances.
20 Daniel Jones New York Giants 52% Contributed to Giants' high-scoring victories.
21 Geno Smith Seattle Seahawks 51% Showed resilience in high-scoring games.
22 Sam Darnold Carolina Panthers 50% Contributed to Panthers' high-scoring victories.
23 Teddy Bridgewater Carolina Panthers 48% Led Panthers to high-scoring victories.
24 Cam Newton New England Patriots 47% Contributed to Patriots' high-scoring victories.
25 Nick Foles Chicago Bears 46% Led Bears to high-scoring victories.
26 Mitch Trubisky Chicago Bears 45% Contributed to Bears' high-scoring victories.
27 Andy Dalton New Orleans Saints 44% Led Saints to high-scoring victories.
28 Jacoby Brissett Washington Commanders 43% Contributed to Commanders' high-scoring victories.
29 Desmond Ridder Atlanta Falcons 42% Showed potential in high-scoring games.
30 Zach Wilson New York Jets 41% Contributed to Jets' high-scoring victories.
the 30th best win percentage for a QB in which an opponent scores 21 or more points is at 41% literally no other starting QB has a 0% win rate from what I can find
LOL
Yet Cowherd34 will tell us he is right.
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Meanwhile, fieLdS iS nOT eLiTE
https://x.com/_mlfootball/status/1974918082993991717?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
He isn't. He sucks yet you have hitched your football analysis wagon to him snd can't admit to being wrong, Cowherd34
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Ask chat gpt how many of those quarterbacks had to play most of their games under a Bears/Eberflus “rebuild.”
LOL. The douche is on his 2d team since he left the Bear and still sucks ass, Cowherd34.
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After Russ said Adios they low balled Sh1t. We have established this already. Another argument where you got snoked.
Again, your account of what happened is very skewed
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He doesn't want to be coached or have to think on the field. Going to those places would be a waste of everyone's time.
And since you are in the quarterback meeting room, you know this
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if that were true I’m sure it would’ve gotten around the league by his third team yet they gave him $40 million
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40 million is a lot to pay out to a guy who isn’t willing to be coached
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Also would be pretty wild for Tomlin to offer him $30 million if he wasn’t willing to be coached
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I think this is the last time Russel Wilson or JFC won a start
Broncos 31 bears 28, 2023
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I think this is the last time Russel Wilson or JFC won a start
Broncos 31 bears 28, 2023
Wut. Fields won 7 games that season with the Bears after that start. He went 4-3 after coming back from injury and would have gone 6-1 in that stretch if not for other peoples’ gaffes. He went 4-2 as a starter in Pittsburgh.
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Again, your account of what happened is very skewed
My account was documented by ESPN who quoted the GM.
Meanwhile your take is a bunch of Twotter Made Up Sh1t.
You called Russ a liar and were proven wrong.
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And since you are in the quarterback meeting room, you know this
Sh1t has been quoted saying this exact shit. Quoted. I'm not making stuff up like you do.
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I think this is the last time Russel Wilson or JFC won a start
Broncos 31 bears 28, 2023
Maybe it was the last time Russ won a game where the opponent scored 21 or more. We know Sh1t has never won one of those games. EVER.
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Just read that the Jets haven’t recorded a single takeaway in 5 games. And they give up 30+ per game. Fields’ fault.
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My account was documented by ESPN who quoted the GM.
Meanwhile your take is a bunch of Twotter Made Up Sh1t.
You called Russ a liar and were proven wrong.
You claimed they wanted Russ back before Fields. It was revealed the OWNER preferred Russ, Tomlin and Smith preferred Fields. I sure hope George doesn’t decide he wants Trubisky back.
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Sh1t has been quoted saying this exact shit. Quoted. I'm not making stuff up like you do.
No, you extrapolated that from something he said. You do that a lot, often based on very limited info. Like when you said I ran from the city to escape the city and bad schools. I never said that. You took something I said and twisted it to fit your narrative. Truth is, I left the city because my son’s mother worked out here and she wanted to be closer to her family; her mother lived 8 minutes from us (passed away in April). I did not want to leave the city. But PAMan will narrative away because that’s what he’s good at.
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She also has family in Bartlett, So Barrington, and Elgin (not close to the city).
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Maybe it was the last time Russ won a game where the opponent scored 21 or more. We know Sh1t has never won one of those games. EVER.
Receiver drops, fumbles, missed extra points, defensive collapses, and Flus late game errors were Fields’ fault. Half of those losses were with a shell of a roster after it was burned down. Fields was carrying the offense almost by himself.
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I'm glad Bustin Fields is gone, and he's someone else's problem.
Hot take, I know. About as hot as "I can understand why someone would say to bench Christian McCaffery durrrrrrrr"
Hey, pro tip. Tempo doesn't know any more, or any less than the rest of us. And I'm trying to be nice by saying that.
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Maybe it was the last time Russ won a game where the opponent scored 21 or more. We know Sh1t has never won one of those games. EVER.
HE.dOesN'T CAll THe PLaYs.
IT's NOT HIS fAuLt.
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Just read that the Jets haven’t recorded a single takeaway in 5 games. And they give up 30+ per game. Fields’ fault.
First team in history apparently.
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Fields’ fault.
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HE.dOesN'T CAll THe PLaYs.
IT's NOT HIS fAuLt.
Why not throw in a Parkins! Bernstein! Cowherd (someone I never actually listed to)! Reference?
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I'm glad Bustin Fields is gone, and he's someone else's problem.
Hot take, I know. About as hot as "I can understand why someone would say to bench Christian McCaffery durrrrrrrr"
Hey, pro tip. Tempo doesn't know any more, or any less than the rest of us. And I'm trying to be nice by saying that.
Your deductive skills are as piss poor as PAMan’s. I never said to bench McCaffery. I presented the argument for those who did so. I played him.
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If the Rams had gotten out to an early 17-3 lead there’s a good chance McCaffery would have been put on ice.
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Not Mn’s, Custard’s, and JJs ICE. Thank God.
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You are really hung up on this McCaffery thing. LOL
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You claimed they wanted Russ back before Fields. It was revealed the OWNER preferred Russ, Tomlin and Smith preferred Fields. I sure hope George doesn’t decide he wants Trubisky back.
You were wrong and I was right. For the 5, 956th time. And you have zero proof who Tomlin preferred. You just make shit up all the time and claim it is fact.
You are 0 - 5,395 in argunents
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40 million is a lot to pay out to a guy who isn’t willing to be coached
It's the Jets. They are as stupid as the McCaskeys who allowed Sh1t to be drafted in the 1st place.
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Also would be pretty wild for Tomlin to offer him $30 million if he wasn’t willing to be coached
They had no one else after Russ at the time. Worked out better for them with Rogers.
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No, you extrapolated that from something he said. You do that a lot, often based on very limited info. Like when you said I ran from the city to escape the city and bad schools. I never said that. You took something I said and twisted it to fit your narrative. Truth is, I left the city because my son’s mother worked out here and she wanted to be closer to her family; her mother lived 8 minutes from us (passed away in April). I did not want to leave the city. But PAMan will narrative away because that’s what he’s good at.
They were his quotes. Your guy is as stupid as his supporters on The Twotter.
Glad you wore pants before fleeing the city for Whitetasca!
The racial composition of Itasca includes 69.1% White, 14.85% Asian, 3.34% other race, and smaller percentages for Black or African American and multiracial populations.
Tempo is all hat, no cattle yet again!
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Receiver drops, fumbles, missed extra points, defensive collapses, and Flus late game errors were Fields’ fault. Half of those losses were with a shell of a roster after it was burned down. Fields was carrying the offense almost by himself.
LOL. His turnovers were also not his fault too....
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Wut. Fields won 7 games that season with the Bears after that start. He went 4-3 after coming back from injury and would have gone 6-1 in that stretch if not for other peoples’ gaffes. He went 4-2 as a starter in Pittsburgh.
You're right - I just wanted to relive the glory of the Bears blowing a 21 point lead to Denver in the wake of Denver coming back from 14 down vs Philly.
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I'm glad Bustin Fields is gone, and he's someone else's problem.
Hot take, I know. About as hot as "I can understand why someone would say to bench Christian McCaffery durrrrrrrr"
Hey, pro tip. Tempo doesn't know any more, or any less than the rest of us. And I'm trying to be nice by saying that.
Yep.
He is very good at making excuses for Fields though. Excels at that.
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You were wrong and I was right. For the 5, 956th time. And you have zero proof who Tomlin preferred. You just make shit up all the time and claim it is fact.
You are 0 - 5,395 in argunents
I’ve read multiple sources that said Tomlin and Smith wanted Fields back, Rooney preferred Russ. Sorry it doesn’t fit your narrative.
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Your deductive skills are as piss poor as PAMan’s. I never said to bench McCaffery. I presented the argument for those who did so. I played him.
You also said there were reasons to bring back Eberlose.... Just sayin'
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Yep.
He is very good at making excuses for Fields though. Excels at that.
Because I get tired of hearing about how EVERYTHING is his fault. It’s bullshit. He had lots of help at sucking.
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I’ve read multiple sources that said Tomlin and Smith wanted Fields back, Rooney preferred Russ. Sorry it doesn’t fit your narrative.
Sure you have. The people on The Twotter that make shit up.
I presented quotes from the GM. You present Twots from @FieldsCocksucker34.....
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Because I get tired of hearing about how EVERYTHING is his fault. It’s bullshit. He had lots of help at sucking.
0-26. That's tough to do, but at least Fields is adept at something.
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All I can say about JFC is that he's no Daniel Jones.
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You also said there were reasons to bring back Eberlose.... Just sayin'
The defense was perceived to be on the rise, and a strong playoff unit. There was “progress” overall, even if somewhat minimal. Last years’ defense was better than you think (go look) despite key injuries. Oh yeah, the measure of a good defense is unknowable according to you because you refuse to acknowledge long accepted standards of comparison. George was not firing Flus with 3 years left on his deal. I’m fairly sure of that.
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The defense was perceived to be on the rise, and a strong playoff unit. There was “progress” overall, even if somewhat minimal. Last years’ defense was better than you think (go look) despite key injuries. Oh yeah, the measure of a good defense is unknowable according to you because you refuse to acknowledge long accepted standards of comparison. George was not firing Flus with 3 years left on his deal. I’m fairly sure of that.
We've been through this to.... It was perceived to be better by idiots like you Fields Fans Forever types while the rest of us knew they were slaying bums.
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Sure you have. The people on The Twotter that make shit up.
I presented quotes from the GM. You present Twots from @FieldsCocksucker34.....
I guess Mike Tomlin is @FieldsCocksucker34
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PAMan never tires of getting spanked at HQ.
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From Mark Kaboly (their Brad Biggs).
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And then of course @FieldsCocksucker34 was also a major contributing source.
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From Mark Kaboly (their Brad Biggs).
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in the end, it didn't matter. The best QB decision the Steelers made was to get Lamar Jackson hurt, Joe Burrow hurt, and Joe Flacco installed as starter. Fields or Wilson could win the division against that crapshow.
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We've been through this to.... It was perceived to be better by idiots like you Fields Fans Forever types while the rest of us knew they were slaying bums.
You can only slay those on your schedule. One of the teams they slayed were the Lions.
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They also held GB to 17 in GB. Pretty respectable.
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in the end, it didn't matter. The best QB decision the Steelers made was to get Lamar Jackson hurt, Joe Burrow hurt, and Joe Flacco installed as starter. Fields or Wilson could win the division against that crapshow.
Just proving that ThePAMan is going with his made up narratives (yet again).
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The Steelers lucked into Rodgers, who’s showing he still has some
gas left in the tank. And Rodgers seems to be showing he wasn’t what’s wrong with the Jets (not their main problem obviously). I guess the penalties and general ineptness isn’t new.
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I guess Mike Tomlin is @FieldsCocksucker34
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Uh, that doesn't say what you have claimed on multiple occasions was said; i.e., Tomlin regretted not starting Fields. We knew they wanted both of them back, but they had approached Russ in season about an extension. After the season they offered Fields after Russ left.
I cannot count this as another L for Tempo, since it was already counted as an L when citing the ESPN article QUOTING the GM laying out the timeline (after Cowherd34 claimed Russ was lying about being approached in season and negotiating with the Steeler after the season was over).
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PAMan never tires of getting spanked at HQ.
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Hints does a lot of heavy lifting in that headline. Let me know when you actually have quotes instead of "hints" in a headline.
Let's be clear, fellow HQ2 readers:
ThePAThey presents evidence. Tempo34 presents "hints" in headlines.
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I surmised that he regretted not starting Fields by the fact that he preferred Fields back and not Wilson. I could be wrong, but it’s the logical conclusion.
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Again, I just showed that their top reporter said it was Rooney that preferred Russ. JFC
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Still missing where Tomkin regretted the move. In fact, that supports a conclusion that you are completely making that up. Not that you would ever admit it.
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Hints does a lot of heavy lifting in that headline. Let me know when you actually have quotes instead of "hints" in a headline.
Let's be clear, fellow HQ2 readers:
ThePAThey presents evidence. Tempo34 presents "hints" in headlines.
Hints from Steelers beat reporters are better than bullshit hunches (formed from your narratives).
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Still missing where Tomkin regretted the move. In fact, that supports a conclusion that you are completely making that up. Not that you would ever admit it.
Except for the fact that just three minutes ago I just admitted I came to that conclusion on my own and could be wrong…
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From Mark Kaboly (their Brad Biggs).
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LOL. I take it you are insulting him by calling him Brad Biggs ... The guy who was scooped by a blogger about why coaches got fired midseason as well as 900 other things....
Again, that says zero (as in 0-26) about Tomlin regretting not starting Fields.
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Just proving that ThePAMan is going with his made up narratives (yet again).
There's no way Fields is winning....
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I surmised that he regretted not starting Fields by the fact that he preferred Fields back and not Wilson. I could be wrong, but it’s the logical conclusion.
Two posts before you said “not that you’d ever admit it.”
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The Steelers lucked into Rodgers, who’s showing he still has some
gas left in the tank. And Rodgers seems to be showing he wasn’t what’s wrong with the Jets (not their main problem obviously). I guess the penalties and general ineptness isn’t new.
Looks like Russ and Fields were holding the Steeler back....
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LOL. I take it you are insulting him by calling him Brad Biggs ... The guy who was scooped by a blogger about why coaches got fired midseason as well as 900 other things....
Again, that says zero (as in 0-26) about Tomlin regretting not starting Fields.
Your reading comprehension is horrendous.
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I surmised that he regretted not starting Fields by the fact that he preferred Fields back and not Wilson. I could be wrong, but it’s the logical conclusion.
The problem is your ability to surmise equals Fields' ability to read defenses: it is ZERO....
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I surmised that he regretted not starting Fields by the fact that he preferred Fields back and not Wilson. I could be wrong, but it’s the logical conclusion.
You haven't pointed to anything that actually says that though.
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Again, I just showed that their top reporter said it was Rooney that preferred Russ. JFC
Still missing what Tomlin said.
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You haven't pointed to anything that actually says that though.
JFC as I said, your reading comprehension is horrendous.
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Hints from Steelers beat reporters are better than bullshit hunches (formed from your narratives).
Yeah, if this guy is their Brad Biggs that means he has zero scoops and is merely a stenographer.
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Except for the fact that just three minutes ago I just admitted I came to that conclusion on my own and could be wrong…
Which means you have zero actual evidence to support your conclusion. But refuse to admit your lack of actual evidence.
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I literally just said I surmised that on my own (and allowed that I could be wrong) and this guy is asking for where I got that piece of information. Unreal.
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Based on the fact he preferred Fields to Russ back in 2025 it’s a logical conclusion. That could possibly be wrong…
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Two posts before you said “not that you’d ever admit it.”
As I've said repeatedly, you are just making shit up and have zero actual evidence to support your argument.
Again, ThePAMan: fact based arguments. Cowherd34: arguments based on feelings, not facts.
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Yeah, if this guy is their Brad Biggs that means he has zero scoops and is merely a stenographer.
You mean someone who takes spoken words and forms it into transcript?
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Based on the fact he preferred Fields to Russ back in 2025 it’s a logical conclusion. That could possibly be wrong…
No, it isn't. There's no actual evidence to support that.
Repeating myself, and the ESPN article, they approached Russ during the season about an extension. They only approached Fields after the season and after Russ left.
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As I've said repeatedly, you are just making shit up and have zero actual evidence to support your argument.
Again, ThePAMan: fact based arguments. Cowherd34: arguments based on feelings, not facts.
This guy (ThePAMan) literally has zero reading comprehension.
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What part of “I surmised this on my own based on beat reports” do you not understand?
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What a fucking waste of time arguing with this guy.
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You mean someone who takes spoken words and forms it into transcript?
Or a newspaper article or a hit on WScore.
Biggs and 99.9% of the Chicago legacy sports media are merely stenographers at this point.
I would be hard pressed to actually name someone who isn't merely a stenographer at this point. But I figure there has to be at least one.
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What a fucking waste of time arguing with this guy.
Facts, like 0-26, can be a bitch compared to your feelings.
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This guy (ThePAMan) literally has zero reading comprehension.
Again you were just making shit up. As usual. You have no actual facts but keep arguing the point.
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He’s probably their most trusted beat reporter. He has 122k followers on Twitter. But yeah, let’s pretend he’s some Twotter rando. Sharing shit he finds in the deep corners of the Internet.
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You presented your Tomlin argument as fact until called out on it. Don't blame me for catching you making stuff up
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He’s probably their most trusted beat reporter. He has 122k followers on Twitter. But yeah, let’s pretend he’s some Twotter rando. Sharing shit he finds in the deep corners of the Internet.
(https://i.postimg.cc/13XN61X3/IMG-3545.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
That doesn't mean he's just not a stenographer like Brad Biggs is
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Again you were just making shit up. As usual. You have no actual facts but keep arguing the point.
You are incredibly fucking dense. What part of “I surmised this on my own and could possibly be wrong” vexes you so completely?
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You presented your Tomlin argument as fact until called out on it. Don't blame me for catching you making stuff up
You are a seriously delusional Mfer sometimes.
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You are incredibly fucking dense. What part of “I surmised this on my own and could possibly be wrong” vexes you so completely?
You only did that, what, 5 months after presenting the claim as fact? Again, you made something up and presented it as fact for months.
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It seems like a pretty fucking logical conclusion based on what’s been reported by trusted sources. Again, I could possibly be wrong…
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You are a seriously delusional Mfer sometimes.
You got Moss'd!
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You only did that, what, 5 months after presenting the claim as fact? Again, you made something up and presented it as fact for months.
I used logic and based it on reports from beat reporters.
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It seems like a pretty fucking logical conclusion based on what’s been reported by trusted sources. Again, I could possibly be wrong…
Obviously. The problem remains you presented it, on numerous occasions, as fact.
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You got Moss'd!
As I said, fucking delusional.
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I used logic and based it on reports from beat reporters.
TL;DR: Yes.
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Obviously. The problem remains you presented it, on numerous occasions, as fact.
Sorry I didn’t say “it’s possible I could Be wrong” every time.You literally just said I’d never admit it, when I had just admitted it before you said I would never…
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As I said, fucking delusional.
Again, caught presenting an opinion that Tomlin preferred Fields as fact....
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Sorry I didn’t say “it’s possible I could Be wrong” every time.You literally just said I’d never admit it, when I
had just admitted before you said I would never…
You are about 5 months, and 27 references to it as fact, late.....
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Again, caught presenting an opinion that Tomlin preferred Fields as fact....
Something you have NEVER done! Presented your opinion as fact.
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JFC only a fucking moron would think it wasn’t a logical conclusion. Not surprised you disagree.
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Again, caught presenting an opinion that Tomlin preferred Fields as fact....
No logic classes in law school? Pre-law?
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Something you have NEVER done! Presented your opinion as fact.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
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Or a newspaper article or a hit on WScore.
Biggs and 99.9% of the Chicago legacy sports media are merely stenographers at this point.
I would be hard pressed to actually name someone who isn't merely a stenographer at this point. But I figure there has to be at least one.
The guy using an Elon Musk term used as an aspersion claims he is a Democrat.
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By the way DK Metcalf and Jalen Ramsey were significant upgrades.
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JFC only a fucking moron would think it wasn’t a logical conclusion. Not surprised you disagree.
You got caught completely lying about it and now go on the attack. Typical Progressive arguing style.
As I have said, the Progressives and Trumpers are just flip sides of the same coin....
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LOLOLOLOL
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The guy using an Elon Musk term used as an aspersion claims he is a Democrat.
What term? I don't "follow" Musk's Wall on The Twotter.
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JFC only a fucking moron would think it wasn’t a logical conclusion. Not surprised you disagree.
Only a fucking moron would present it as fact for 5 months before admitting that it wasn't a fact
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I never once said that Tomlin SAID he “regretted” starting Russ. I mentioned many times it was a logical conclusion based on what’s been reported. The owner wanted Russ back, the coaching staff preferred Fields.
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What term? I don't "follow" Musk's Wall on The Twotter.
Legacy media is one of his favorite slurs.
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I never once said that Tomlin SAID he “regretted” starting Russ. I mentioned many times it was a logical conclusion based on what’s been reported. The owner wanted Russ back, the coaching staff preferred Fields.
Lying liars who lie, right here everyone.
You told us all he regretted it. You were asked for backup. You've provided "hints"
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JFC
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I’m pretty amazed you’re not an anti-vax conspiracy theorist to the right of Mn and Custard.
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Yeah, this is someone saying that this was ONLY his conclusion....
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And Boom goes the dynamite...
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I took information reported by trusted beat reporters and came to a logical conclusion based on what was reported. Then allowed for the chance I could be mistaken. Not sure what I did that was so outlandish.
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I’m pretty amazed you’re not an anti-vax conspiracy theorist to the right of Mn and Custard.
Can't help it that you were caught lying
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I took information reported by trusted beat reporters and came to a logical conclusion based on what was reported. Then allowed for the chance I could be mistaken. Not sure what I did that was so outlandish.
Besides claiming something as fact that was your conclusion based on hints?
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Yeah, this is someone saying that this was ONLY his conclusion....
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And Boom goes the dynamite...
Yes, based on reports of beat reporters; the owner wanted Russ back, Tomlin and Smith preferred Fields. Not sure why this is Robert Kennedyesque conspiracy shit.
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Besides claiming something as fact that was your conclusion based on hints?
I’m literally LOLOLOLOLOLOLing
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Yes, based on reports of beat reporters; the owner wanted Russ back, Tomlin and Smith preferred Fields. Not sure why this is Robert Kennedyesque conspiracy shit.
You've been exposed. This shit may work on The Twotter, but it won't work on HQ2.
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I'm just glad he's gone
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Your days of glory at HQ2 are at an end. Prepare for a bit of humble pie, Tempo! HQ2 has had enough of your opinions parading as fact, and I'm just the man to clean this board up.
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Make HQ2 Great Again. I’ll get the hats printed up.
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He's not making the Jets better. Just like he didn't make the Bears better.
He's not good. He actually sucks. He's black Rex Grossman.
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Make HQ2 Great Again. I’ll get the hats printed up.
Because we think Bustin sucks? Ok. Maybe try to be a little less psycho.
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Legacy media is one of his favorite slurs.
I do not think he is alone with that one.
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He’s making their offense better. They are trash. They have one good RB, one good WR, and a well below average offensive line. And a rookie OC who might be in over his head.
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He also made the Bears better. Better enough? That’s an honest discussion to be had.
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He's black Rex Grossman.
That's good. Really good.
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He also made the Bears better. Better enough? That’s an honest discussion to be had.
Bustin made the Bears better?
Yeah, that's debatable at best. I'll probably say no to that one.
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He’s making their offense better. They are trash. They have one good RB, one good WR, and a well below average offensive line. And a rookie OC who might be in over his head.
You know what would make their offense better? Better players.
Like, ya know. You mentioned they have a well below average offensive line. Well, I'm guessing the best teams in the fucking league have a *gasp* better than average fucking offensive line.
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Wut. Wut are you talking about? I was talking about the Jets. Who said they were one of the best teams in the league? I agree, better players would
make any offense better. Especially one lacking for better players.
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Bustin made the Bears better?
Yeah, that's debatable at best. I'll probably say no to that one.
He was practically carrying the offense in 2022. It’s why they stupidly traded for Claypool. They were trying to get him “help.”
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Wut. Wut are you talking about? I was talking about the Jets. Who said they were one of the best teams in the league? I agree, better players would
make any offense better. Especially one lacking for better players.
Nobody said that. What the fuck are you talking about?
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He was practically carrying the offense in 2022. It’s why they stupidly traded for Claypool. They were trying to get him “help.”
Ok. Yet they still fucking sucked ass. What is your point?
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You need to learn how to read. Until you master that skill, work on picking up rides.
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Nobody said that. What the fuck are you talking about?
I’m trying to fixture out what the fuck you’re talking about. I was talking about the Jets OLine and you said something about “the best teams in the league probably have an above average OLine.” Ok, that would seem logical. Am I allowed to use logic to form a probable conclusion? Need a ruling from PAMan
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PAMan, ok to assume one of the best teams in the league would probably have at least an average OLine?
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How does Bustin Fields make a bad offensive line better?
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It's been talked about. The lines, on both sides of the ball, have sucked complete dick. That's on Poles. Surely you can agree with that.
Now, as far as Fields. Yes, he's had bad o lines. We even mentioned that. You were the dipshit that said he doesn't need a great oline. I can go back and find it.
I don't really care. I'm glad he's gone. He wasn't the guy that's gonna get the Bears to a fucking super bowl. Is Caleb? Probably not. But Bustin Fields sucks. He's a mentally weak pussy. He's never going to win a super bowl.
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Can you show me where I said that?
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I think the OLine is finally coming together (still need a top tier tackle though). The advanced metrics are actually quite good on the OLine; particularly in the run game oddly enough (Swift apparently not hitting the right holes).
The DLine is quite disappointing. Hopefully Austin Booker and Grady Jarrett can give it a good boost. Dexter and particularly Montez need to pick it up. Hard to give the Dline anything better than a D-.
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I don’t think I ever said he doesn’t need a great OLine. Every skill player could use a good OLine. I’m sure I said he takes too many sacks, but he probably avoids a fair share too.
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And I’m sure I said he needs more playmakers to throw to, but PAMan interprets that as “can’t fix the OLine, gotta play fantasy football!” I remember when he said we couldn’t draft Brock Bowers in the 1st round because we needed a backup guard.
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I think the OLine is finally coming together (still need a top tier tackle though). The advanced metrics are actually quite good on the OLine; particularly in the run game oddly enough (Swift apparently not hitting the right holes).
The DLine is quite disappointing. Hopefully Austin Booker and Grady Jarrett can give it a good boost. Dexter and particularly Montez need to pick it up. Hard to give the Dline anything better than a D-.
Swift is definitely hit or miss. Moaning guy looked decent in limited snaps maybe give him a few more touches a game. Still wish we drafted Skattebo but he went off the board earlier than anticipated I think
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https://thejetpress.com/ridiculous-justin-fields-stat-embarrassing-feels-impossible-01k6gcmh1rnn
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I’m pretty amazed you’re not an anti-vax conspiracy theorist to the right of Mn and Custard.
I'm not anti-vax.
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Well damn, color me shocked.
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I don’t think I ever said he doesn’t need a great OLine. Every skill player could use a good OLine. I’m sure I said he takes too many sacks, but he probably avoids a fair share too.
You absolutely have said that…
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I'm not anti-vax.
I’m not either. Just for Covid vax…
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I’m not either. Just for Covid vax…
You had Covid tho, maybe during the Delta or Omicron strains ?, and the immunity that came with it.
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You had Covid tho, maybe during the Delta or Omicron strains ?, and the immunity that came with it.
Yes, but psycho liberals didn’t care. Got labeled an extremist…
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You absolutely have said that…
Prove it.
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Highly unlikely I said that. You probably did some kind of PAMan extrapolation, or fell for one of PAMan’s banana in the tailpipe strawmen. “Can’t draft Brock Bowers because we need lineman.”
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Prove it.
Dude there’s like 50 threads and 10,000 pages dedicated to this shit. You think everyone here is just making it up?! I don’t know how to even search for something like that. Too much shit to go through…
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Highly unlikely I said that. You probably did some kind of PAMan extrapolation, or fell for one of PAMan’s banana in the tailpipe strawmen. “Can’t draft Brock Bowers because we need lineman.”
Sure could use a LT since your guy got benched
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Dude there’s like 50 threads and 10,000 pages dedicated to this shit. You think everyone here is just making it up?! I don’t know how to even search for something like that. Too much shit to go through…
He definitely said Bustin doesn’t need great o linemen because hes so good at running the ball.
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He definitely said Bustin doesn’t need great o linemen because hes so good at running the ball.
And he gets all the credit when the team has a great running game but none of the blame when the passing game stinks or the team can't beat an opponent that scores 21 or more points.
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You win in the trenches.
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Dude there’s like 50 threads and 10,000 pages dedicated to this shit. You think everyone here is just making it up?! I don’t know how to even search for something like that. Too much shit to go through…
That’s what I thought.
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That’s what I thought.
You did claim today Fields is better than Lawrence..... Hahahahahaha
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That’s what I thought.
You absolutely said it…
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He definitely said Bustin doesn’t need great o linemen because hes so good at running the ball.
Fucking horseshit. Find where I said that:
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You absolutely said it…
Produce it, or fuck off.
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I never said that stupid shit.
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I never said that stupid shit.
There is a lot to choose from though.
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He definitely said Bustin doesn’t need great o linemen because hes so good at running the ball.
Yes he did…
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You did claim today Fields is better than Lawrence..... Hahahahahaha
Lawrence > Fields
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Lawrence > Fields
He just won a game where the opponent scored 28 points!
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You did claim today Fields is better than Lawrence..... Hahahahahaha
King of fucking recency bias here. J swear to god it rules these mother fuckers’ brains. And they have no clue.
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He just won a game where the opponent scored 28 points!
Oh man. Lol
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Why is Tempo mad again? Lol
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King of fucking recency bias here. J swear to god it rules these mother fuckers’ brains. And they have no clue.
Dude, you are wrong about that. Fields has never been as good as Lawrence. NEVER.
Fields is also a whiny pussy. As well as a loser.
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I’m not sure I said he was better, but I think they’re about the same. You guys didn’t put up a stink when I pulled up Lawrence’s name last night. Why? Kings of recency bias.
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Why is Tempo mad again? Lol
Because Lawrence won a game Fields would have fucked up 10 ways to Friday
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Why is Tempo mad again? Lol
Because I don’t like it when people insist that I said stupid shit that I didn’t say.
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Because I don’t like it when people insist that I said stupid shit that I didn’t say.
You said it tho. But it’s fine. I get not wanting to own stupid shit. You already have a mouthful of Bustin’s cum. That’s more than enough.
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Because Lawrence won a game Fields would have fucked up 10 ways to Friday
Bustin never would have got back up and made that play like Trevor did. That was balls.
Bustin would have stayed down and cried about it.
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You said it tho. But it’s fine. I get not wanting to own stupid shit. You already have a mouthful of Bustin’s cum. That’s more than enough.
I fucking did not. Produce it or shut the fuck up.
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Bustin never would have got back up and made that play like Trevor did. That was balls.
Bustin would have stayed down and cried about it.
Lol who has whose cum in whose mouth?
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I’m not sure I said he was better, but I think they’re about the same. You guys didn’t put up a stink when I pulled up Lawrence’s name last night. Why? Kings of recency bias.
I was actually trying to sleep as Judge Judy and you were arguing about this....
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Talk about delusional....
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I fucking did not. Produce it or shut the fuck up.
I’ll get right on that, dipshit. Lol
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You talking about the guy who threw 6 TD passes against Clemson after cracking a rib? Yeah, I know! College! Derp.
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I’ll get right on that, dipshit. Lol
Yeah, you should. And stay ion it, because it’s highly unlikely you’ll find it.
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Fields would be better than Hurts if he was on the Eagle is a classic.
Dude, he is a fucking complete shithead who sucks ass ....
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Lol who has whose cum in whose mouth?
I admired a great play made by Trevor, and stated that Bustin wouldn’t have the heart or the balls to do that. No fellatio involved whatsoever.
It’s not my fault you went all in on Bustin and he sucks. Lol
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It’s not my fault you went all in on Bustin and he sucks. Lol
This about sums it up....
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I was actually trying to sleep as Judge Judy and you were arguing about this....
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Talk about delusional....
“Quarterbacks not significantly better than Justin Fields.” Again, you have very poor reading comprehension. And are ruled by recency bias. I didn’t get any pushback last night that I recall. Because, crocodile brain.
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I admired a great play made by Trevor, and stated that Bustin wouldn’t have the heart or the balls to do that. No fellatio involved whatsoever.
It’s not my fault you went all in on Bustin and he sucks. Lol
So you pulled a thought out of your ass and called it a fact? Congrats?
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“Quarterbacks not significantly better than Justin Fields.” Again, you have very poor reading comprehension. And are ruled by recency bias. I didn’t get any pushback last night that I recall. Because, crocodile brain.
Guess what, moron, your "analysis" again blows. All those guys are far better than your Zero-26 Hero because he is a Henry Burris level QB. He stinks. Even Eberlose spit him out yesterday.
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Fields would be better than Hurts if he was on the Eagle is a classic.
Dude, he is a fucking complete shithead who sucks ass ....
Hurts is a good quarterback, but he has limitations. We’re seeing it boil over right now.
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So you pulled a thought out of your ass and called it a fact? Congrats?
He didn't make up a fact like you are well versed at doing as was established today
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Hurts is a good quarterback, but he has limitations. We’re seeing it boil over right now.
And Fields is still far worse than Hurts is.
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He didn't make up a fact like you are well versed at doing as was established today
LMAO
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For the record, Trevor Lawrence has a 58% completion percentage 5 TDs and 4 Ints. Who here thinks PAMan would be praising that production if it were attached to Justin Fields? Because…crocodile brain.
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His passer rating is 75. LOL
“But I just saw him do something good!” - Crocodile brain (with poor reading comprehension)
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Fields has a passer rating of 100 and 4 TDs and 0 Ints for the record. Henry Burris!
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For the record, Trevor Lawrence has a 58% completion percentage 5 TDs and 4 Ints. Who here thinks PAMan would be praising that production if it were attached to Justin Fields? Because…crocodile brain.
If he were Fields, you would be making excuse after excuse for the Jags being a terribly run organization. But he is far better than Fields. As we saw, Fields is awful and could not even compete against Eberlose's crap Dallas defense....
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Fields has a passer rating of 100 and 4 TDs and 0 Ints for the record. Henry Burris!
Cherry picking stats based on garbage time! Hahahahahahhahaha Fields sucks cock and takes it up the ass but in your bizarro Fake Facts World he would be better than Hurts on the Eagle.. you can't make this shit up.
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Again, with the recency bias. He doesn’t even recognize it.
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Again, with the recency bias. He doesn’t even recognize it.
He was better than him before tonight's game, dude. It isn't close.
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Cherry picking stats based on garbage time! Hahahahahahhahaha Fields sucks cock and takes it up the ass but in your bizarro Fake Facts World he would be better than Hurts on the Eagle.. you can't make this shit up.
You didn’t present that statement quite accurately. But that’s normal with you.
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Who here thinks PAMan would be licking Fields’ balls two hours after making this play?
https://x.com/ryandamackk/status/1975365482745372746?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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You didn’t present that statement quite accurately. But that’s normal with you.
You said what you said. And you are delusional
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And you love to present your opinion as fact for months on end. That was established today.
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Bustin never would have got back up and made that play like Trevor did. That was balls.
Bustin would have stayed down and cried about it.
So the play where he fell down, got back up and ran 3 or so yards into the end zone? Is that the play you’re jizzing over? I admittedly was in bed trying to sleep. Was not watching. Inadvertently woke up.
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Seeing Lawrence not piss down his leg like Fields does has to hurt.
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So the play where he fell down, got back up and ran 3 or so yards into the end zone? Is that the play you’re jizzing over? I admittedly was in bed trying to sleep. Was not watching. Inadvertently woke up.
He got stepped on by a lineman.
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I’m not too bothered by it at all.
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I’m not too bothered by it at all.
Sure seems like you are surly about it.
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He got stepped on by a lineman.
What a fucking hero! Got back up and ran 5 yards! The man is a GOD.
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What a fucking hero! Got back up and ran 5 yards! The man is a GOD.
Was a clutch play. Unlike Mr. 0-26.
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Sure seems like you are surly about it.
No, it’s funny watching you guys jizz all over each other over it. I’m a million percent sure you wouldn’t be jizzing over it if Fields had done it. Narrative king. Recency bias king.
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PAMan says NEs win at Buffalo was not very impressive, but is full of praise for a home win against a badly declining Chiefs team. Can’t make up this level of random judgment.
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OMG Trevor Lawrence fell down, got up and ran 3 yards for a TD?! Hero ❤️
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Yet more proof that ThePAMan’s opinions are entirely random, and based only on his narratives, and his feelings.
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Someone sure is butthurt that a QB was able to beat the Chiefs and the refs despite the Chiefs scoring iver 21 points.
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I stand by my take that the Bills have not played very well so far.
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Imagine the ridicule I’d get if we flipped the script entirely and I were gushing over Fields falling down and successfully getting up and running 3 yards. And the stats were swapped etc
And don’t forget the goal line fumble early in the game!
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LOL. Fields isn't beating the Chiefs and the refs dude.
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He got stepped on by a lineman.
If that would have happened to Bustin, he would have laid there and waited to get touched down. Our guy Trevor said fuck that, hopped up and ran it in.
Tempo got mad last night. Oh well. Fuck him. Bustin Fields fucking sucks. I'm glad he's not our problem anymore.
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If that would have happened to Bustin, he would have laid there and waited to get touched down. Our guy Trevor said fuck that, hopped up and ran it in.
Tempo got mad last night. Oh well. Fuck him. Bustin Fields fucking sucks. I'm glad he's not our problem anymore.
i'm just happy to argue about Justin Fields, discuss gout, and not the crap shoot that is the modern world
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i'm just happy to argue about Justin Fields, discuss gout, and not the crap shoot that is the modern world
Yes. Sports is good.
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Yes. Sports is good.
unless you're an Arizona Cardinals fan
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unless you're an Arizona Cardinals fan
Is that a thing? Are there actually real Arizona Cardinal fans in the wild?
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Anyone remember when the Arizona Cardinals were in St Louis?
I member
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I remember..
Anyone remember when the (football) St. Louis Cardinals were the Chicago Cardinals?
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I remember..
Anyone remember when the (football) St. Louis Cardinals were the Chicago Cardinals?
Figured you had seats on the 50 at Comiskey Park
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I knew that, yes. Do I remember it not at all.
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But for real, how can you be going into game 6, nearly 1/3 of the way through the season and not recorded a takeaway yet? That’s unreal.
https://x.com/brandontierney/status/1975657609781711221?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Yes, the Jets suck. Thats why it’s the perfect fit for Bustin.
Nobody said the Jets were good…
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No shit. But how do you not generate a turnover in almost 1/3 of a season?
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Shitty teams are shitty.
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Wisdom like that is why I come to HQ2
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What else needs to be said? They havent gotten a turnover. So fucking what? They suck. Why does further analysis need to be done? Fuck, man.
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No shit. But how do you not generate a turnover in almost 1/3 of a season?
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it's because they suck
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What else needs to be said? They havent gotten a turnover. So fucking what? They suck. Why does further analysis need to be done? Fuck, man.
Almost 1/3 of a season…that barely seems possible. Not one single turnover all year LOL
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Laughing at other shitty teams, while being a fan of the shitty fucking Bears is a move. I'll give ya that lol
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10 year old kids know to look for turnovers.
Illinois leads the country in fumbles recovered.
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Oh, I agree it's a wild stat. You should at least get a turnover by accident in 5 games lol.
I was just busting Temp's nuts.
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Laughing at other shitty teams, while being a fan of the shitty fucking Bears is a move. I'll give ya that lol
Weird take. You think I don’t know the Bears have largely sucked for a long time? At least they can generate a takeaway once every five games.
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Oh, I agree it's a wild stat. You should at least get a turnover by accident in 5 games lol.
I was just busting Temp's nuts.
Ok, good enough.
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That would be almost on par with not scoring a TD in 5 games. Not quite, but in the same neighborhood.
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Eyeballing it the NFL average so far this year looks like 6-7 takeaways. Jax has easily the most at 14. Pittsburgh is 2nd with 10
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That would be almost on par with not scoring a TD in 5 games. Not quite, but in the same neighborhood.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Teams can win plenty of games without generating turnovers.
Good luck relying on field goals.
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🤣🤣🤣🤣
Teams can win plenty of games without generating turnovers.
Good luck relying on field goals.
That wasn’t the point, but typically the greatest separator between wins and losses is turnover ratio. It’s been that way for a very long time.
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As Jobu said you would think a team could luck into a takeaway one time in five games
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I’m just saying either streak would seem extremely unlikely.
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Quite the indictment of Fields that the Jets literally just wanted to run out the clock on the half there instead of letting him pass....
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Quite the indictment of Fields that the Jets literally just wanted to run out the clock on the half there instead of letting him pass....
that was a weird possession for sure.
Jets up 11-10 - not Fields fault
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Pat Bryant getting more snaps. They like his blocking.
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Pat Bryant getting more snaps. They like his blocking.
Caught two too…
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Fields sacked 9 times
"Not his fault"
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The box score says minus 10 for passing yards. That's quite an accomplishment.
Far from perfect.
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Fields sacked 9 times
"Not his fault"
Some of it was for sure, but the Broncos have the best pass rush in the league, and it’s not particularly close.
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Somehow Justin Fields has gotten worse. Still think a lot of his struggles have been a “team effort,” but at some point you have to scrape yourself up off the mat and start looking competent.
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I am gonna leave this here, though.
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He got more yards than last week.
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bustin sucks
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Maybe he just needs a change of scenery
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Maybe he just needs a change of scenery
The scenery on the bench is very nice
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Maybe he just needs a change of scenery
I know that was meant sarcastically, but yeah probably. Hard to imagine two bigger shit shows than the Bears and the Jets the last few years. He needs to go sit for a year under Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVay and if that doesn’t do anything to fix him well then that’s that I guess.
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Tempo, I'm sorry your hero sucks. I know you needed him to be good. He's just not.
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I know that was meant sarcastically, but yeah probably. Hard to imagine two bigger shit shows than the Bears and the Jets the last few years. He needs to go sit for a year under Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVay and if that doesn’t do anything to fix him well then that’s that I guess.
Well, if he does that, maybe he could be good in year 8?
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Well, if he does that, maybe he could be good in year 8?
We can't fairly judge him until he's had 100 starts.
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Everyone thought Darnold’s career was dead. Everyone thought Geno’s career was beyond dead. I’m sure there weren’t very many Buccaneers fans excited about having Baker Mayfield as their starter 14 months ago (after being let go by 3 teams in 2 seasons at an age older than Fields is now). Everyone thought Wentz’ career was over. I remember 8 weeks ago when Daniel Jones was supposed to be backing up Anthony Freakin’ Richardson.
Not saying that’ll happen for Fields, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it did…
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Darnold - Started off decent last year, then became Darnold again. He sucks.
Geno - Fucking sucks. Playing for the Raiders trash ass franchise is perfect for him.
Baker - Good!
Wentz - Sucks. There's a reason he's a backup.
Jones - Good right now. Waiting for him to remember he's Daniel Jones.
So, yeah. Your quarterback examples are mostly pretty terrible. And it doesn't change the fact that Bustin sucks.
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Well, if he does that, maybe he could be good in year 8?
Worked for Geno in year 9.
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Darnold - Started off decent last year, then became Darnold again. He sucks.
Geno - Fucking sucks. Playing for the Raiders trash ass franchise is perfect for him.
Baker - Good!
Wentz - Sucks. There's a reason he's a backup.
Jones - Good right now. Waiting for him to remember he's Daniel Jones.
So, yeah. Your quarterback examples are mostly pretty terrible. And it doesn't change the fact that Bustin sucks.
Minnesota wishes they had kept Darnold. He’s playing pretty well and his team tied for 1st in a tough division.
Geno made 2 pro bowls after he became a starter in year 9. Geno only started “sucking” recently.
No one thought Baker was “good” 18 months ago. Not Cleveland, not Carolina, not LA. And no one but hardcore Baker truthers. He was a desperation heave by Tampa that paid off.
Wentz- was basically out of the league and is starting for a good team. He’s not an MVP candidate, but he’s not embarrassing himself either. He’s playing good enough to keep their “starter” on the bench.
Jones - until he turns back into a pumpkin he’s crushing it on the most overachieving team in the league, and it’s got a lot to do with him.
I can see that PAMan and JJ are not the only ones who suffer from recency bias syndrome.
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Darnold is 5-2 in a tough division with a 109 passer rating (career high) but “sucks.”
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Minnesota wishes they had kept Darnold. He’s playing pretty well and his team tied for 1st in a tough division.
Geno made 2 pro bowls after he became a starter in year 9. Geno only started “sucking” recently.
No one thought Baker was “good” 18 months ago. Not Cleveland, not Carolina, not LA. And no one but hardcore Baker truthers. He was a desperation heave by Tampa that paid off.
Wentz- was basically out of the league and is starting for a good team. He’s not an MVP candidate, but he’s not embarrassing himself either. He’s playing good enough to keep their “starter” on the bench.
Jones - until he turns back into a pumpkin he’s crushing it on the most overachieving team in the league, and it’s got a lot to do with him.
I can see that PAMan and JJ are not the only ones who suffer from recency bias syndrome.
Let me know when Fields showed that he could be a good passer like those guys did at least for snippets. Running the ball does not count.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/aaron-glenn-explains-why-he-benched-justin-fields-panthers-loss
He got benched for fucking Tyrod Taylor lol.
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My fantasy opponent had fucking Fields lol. As I watched, I laughed my ass off.
She also had Gibbs and Amon Ra. And I still won by 50 points.
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Check out Jeff Pearlman on his TikTok. He dissects Bustin and why he's a turd piece of shit pretty well.
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Why not link it?
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Why not link it?
Maybe he's waiting until it is sold to Americans to provide links?
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Maybe he's waiting until it is sold to Americans to provide links?
He’s watching it, though.
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Maybe he's waiting until it is sold to Americans to provide links?
Is Jeff Pearlman a PAMan approved opinion haver?
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Is Jeff Pearlman a PAMan approved opinion haver?
He's on TokTik, so color me skeptical.
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Jesus. I thought you could maybe find it on your own. Here's the link, asshole.
https://www.tiktok.com/@jeffpearlmanauthor/video/7562993706303753485
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He's on TokTik, so color me skeptical.
He's actually legit.
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If it’s the video you’re talking about he lost me at “the Jets have weapons.” The Jets receivers have to be at or near the bottom of the league. I do think that Justin looks lost right now. Don’t know if he’s been broken or still foggy brained from that concussion. But he’s regressing. He had a couple good games before the concussion.
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Jesus. I thought you could maybe find it on your own. Here's the link, asshole.
https://www.tiktok.com/@jeffpearlmanauthor/video/7562993706303753485
I did eventually. Probably should have gone to TikTok immediately but thought I mind find it on Twitter. It takes 3 seconds to copy and paste something. I usually link something I’m making reference to if it’s not a personal opinion.
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He did say Fields seems like a lovely guy and he’d take him as a backup. Points ThePAMan has pushed back against fervently.
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Bustin would be a fine backup. Never said anything different.
And yes, the one thing I disagreed about is the weapons thing. But he's largely right about Bustin. He ain't it.
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I did eventually. Probably should have gone to TikTok immediately but thought I mind find it on Twitter. It takes 3 seconds to copy and paste something. I usually link something I’m making reference to if it’s not a personal opinion.
Haha, yeah. Like when you linked an article that you didn't read lol. That one was fun.
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Remind me.
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Bustin would be a fine backup. Never said anything different.
And yes, the one thing I disagreed about is the weapons thing. But he's largely right about Bustin. He ain't it.
PAMan likes Gazans more than he likes Justin Fields. Said Justin isn’t qualified to be a backup.
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Remind me.
I think it was the one about the pregnant gymnast or whatever. Idk. Not going back to look it up.
You linked something, we were like, hey wait a minute...and you were like, yeah I didn't actually read it. Like you assholes would read an article about a gymnast lol.
Idk. Doesn't matter.
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PAMan likes Gazans more than he likes Justin Fields. Said Justin isn’t qualified to be a backup.
That's weird. You ok?
I kinda don't think you're ok.
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Idk. Doesn't matter.
You brought it up 🤷🏻♂️
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I did. And like I said, doesn't much matter. Not going back to find it.
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But it was awesome, whatever it was!
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That's weird. You ok?
I kinda don't think you're ok.
Actually, I’m a little worried about you…
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Actually, I’m a little worried about you…
Haha, I'm good! Don't worry. Get your ass out there and get some rides. Your ex's kid needs food.
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‘bout to put some peach cobbler in his pie hole.
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Because it had to be posted..
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46673558/jets-owner-defends-coach-glenn-blames-winless-start-qb-fields
Jets owner defends coach Glenn, blames winless start on QB Fields
"It's hard when you have a quarterback with a rating that he's got....."
"The offense is just not clicking, and you can't run the ball if you can't pass the ball," Johnson said. "That's football 101."
Woody Johnson would have been wise to read HQ2 before he dropped $30m guaranteed on that bum Fields ...well, not Tempo's posts but everyone else's....
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The only reason Woody Johnson isn’t the worst owner by a country mile in the NFL is because David Tepper exists.
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Discuss…
(https://i.postimg.cc/CK6GdbBb/IMG-3846.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Sam Block, whoever that is, is a retard.
Discussed.
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He’s no Ficky.
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Discuss…
(https://i.postimg.cc/CK6GdbBb/IMG-3846.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Fields has sucked everywhere he's been. End of discussion.
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The only reason Woody Johnson isn’t the worst owner by a country mile in the NFL is because David Tepper exists.
Tepper didn't guarantee Sh1t $30m, so he has that over Johnson. Boom goes the dynamite.
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JfC gets his first win when the opposing team scores 21 or more!
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JfC gets his first win when the team scores 21 or more!
Took a Breece Hall TD throw to get it!
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Took a Breece Hall TD throw to get it!
Is that what happened? 😂
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Is that what happened? 😂
Yes
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He gets the "win."
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PAMan is tickled pink he still managed to get a new narrative with Justin breaking "the streak." Ignoring that Fields generally played well, made some excellent throws and plays critical to the win. And did so without his top two WRs, which on the whole is a very substandard unit to begin with.
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PAMan is tickled pink he still managed to get a new narrative with Justin breaking "the streak." Ignoring that Fields generally played well, made some excellent throws and plays critical to the win. And did so without his top two WRs, which on the whole is a very substandard unit to begin with.
He ain’t lyin though…
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He ain’t lyin though…
LMAO
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He ain’t lyin though…
They don’t win without this play. Tell me this isn’t a great throw.
https://x.com/firstsportzusa/status/1982541949568754051?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Fields had to “short arm” this TD pass due to pressure, and it was perfectly thrown. They don’t win without every point. Saying it barely counts because the Jets ran the ball great and Hall threw a late TD pass is classic PAMan narrative bullshit. Fields played well today, and “the streak” is over. The week after idiot Woody Johnson threw him under the bus. Good for Justin.
https://x.com/jnradio_glenn/status/1982507527192604774?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Breece Hall 1-0 at QB when the opponent scores 21 or more points
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They don’t win without this play. Tell me this isn’t a great throw.
https://x.com/firstsportzusa/status/1982541949568754051?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
They don’t win without the OTHER RB’s TD throw either! Tell me that wasn’t a great throw that Fuelds didn’t make…
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Breece Hall 1-0 at QB when the opponent scores 21 or more points
😂
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Breece Hall 1-0 at QB when the opponent scores 21 or more points
Oh man 😂
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Hang a banner
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They don’t win without the OTHER RB’s TD throw either! Tell me that wasn’t a great throw that Fuelds didn’t make…
LOLOLOL the win doesn't count because Fields didn't do everything himself. You guys are so transparent. And you wonder why I still argue this shit.
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Hang a banner
I was not the one who bumped the thread FTR
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Fuck AI but damn this is fucking hilarious😂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7af_d2XdyDM
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The guy on the left is the sole reason for organizational failure. The guy on the right is a rising superstar! LOL
(https://i.postimg.cc/CLm57DML/IMG-3910.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dLZJthTz)
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One guy's in year two and the other guy is in year five. Pretty sad stats for the guy in year 5. That about sums it up
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One guy's in year two and the other guy is in year five. Pretty sad stats for the guy in year 5. That about sums it up
One guy was billed as the best prospect since Andrew Luck and has a lot more talent and coaching to work with than Fields has ever had.
And my point isn’t that Fields is playing great, he’s not. He’s been really bad at times this year; but the line between perception and reality is razor thin at times. Particularly when discussing NFL quarterbacking.
Even people who typically slobber on Caleb’s knob were critical yesterday and this morning.
I think Caleb will get there, but he’s way more of a project than we were lead to believe.
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Caleb has started 25 games already. That’s well above the number Fields had before you started railing on him incessantly.
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Caleb has started 25 games already. That’s well above the number Fields had before you started railing on him incessantly.
I'm the guy who said not to draft him. Thanks for confirming my AOTC King of HQ2 status.
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One guy was billed as the best prospect since Andrew Luck and has a lot more talent and coaching to work with than Fields has ever had.
And my point isn’t that Fields is playing great, he’s not. He’s been really bad at times this year; but the line between perception and reality is razor thin at times. Particularly when discussing NFL quarterbacking.
Even people who typically slobber on Caleb’s knob were critical yesterday and this morning.
I think Caleb will get there, but he’s way more of a project than we were lead to believe.
Just goes to show how bad NFL scouting is. They may as well have me do the scouting for the draft.
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I'm the guy who said not to draft him. Thanks for confirming my AOTC King of HQ2 status.
And you’re the guy who’s done nothing but make excuses for him since the day he was. The number of people you’ve bus tossed to excuse Caleb probably numbers in the dozens.
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Just goes to show how bad NFL scouting is. They may as well have me do the scouting for the draft.
I think your choosing not to coach/GM in the NFL is a tragic loss for the league. Your ability to dissect tape on 5-6 games at once from your TV in a single viewing surpasses any coaches’ ability to watch simple game film.
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And you’re the guy who’s done nothing but make excuses for him since the day he was. The number of people you’ve bus tossed to excuse Caleb probably numbers in the dozens.
Yes, the prior Bear coaching staff, which you idiotically defended, that did him no favors are doing bang up jobs in their current positions. The Dallas defense is actually worse than the Bear defense. Again confirming my King of HQ2 AOTC status.
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I think your choosing not to coach/GM in the NFL is a tragic loss for the league. Your ability to dissect tape on 5-6 games at once from your TV in a single viewing surpasses any coaches’ ability to watch simple game film.
I am amazing.
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I await a thread by Tempo apologizing for doubting me.
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Yes, the prior Bear coaching staff, which you idiotically defended, that did him no favors are doing bang up jobs in their current positions. The Dallas defense is actually worse than the Bear defense. Again confirming my King of HQ2 AOTC status.
HC Matt Eberflus/Shane Waldron: not nearly good enough!
Rookie HC Matt Eberflus/rookie OC Luke Getsy: plenty good enough!
Welcome to the world of PALogic! Where anything makes perfect sense, as long as the PAMan says it/types it!
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I await a thread by Tempo apologizing for doubting me.
About what exactly?
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It’s easy to be “right,” when you strategically take every position. You’re the same guy that constantly bitched and complained about the incompetence of Poles/Eberflus, while predicting they’d play in the Super Bowl last year.
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You’re the same guy who said you wouldn’t draft Caleb the night he played ND, then never really breathed another word about it; then defended him at all costs literally every turn since then.
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I’d probably give you some AOTC props if you hadn’t been completely out on Poles/Eberflus like week 2 of year 1. You were “out” before you even had a chance to be in.
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But that didn’t prevent you from picking them to win the NFC last year.
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As a Broncos fans I love watching you guys debate whether Caleb or Fields is less shitty.
Maybe all they needed was PB13
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Sean Payton helps.
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HC Matt Eberflus/Shane Waldron: not nearly good enough!
Rookie HC Matt Eberflus/rookie OC Luke Getsy: plenty good enough!
Welcome to the world of PALogic! Where anything makes perfect sense, as long as the PAMan says it/types it!
Fields has ruined a few coaching careers.
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You’re the same guy who said you wouldn’t draft Caleb the night he played ND, then never really breathed another word about it; then defended him at all costs literally every turn since then.
What's there to say? He looks the same as he did in that game.
I complained about Eberlose before Eilliams was drafted. The guy, whom you infamously defended, stunk.
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Again, you should make a thread apologizing to me for being right, especially when you were wrong on Eberlose and Poles.
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Fields has ruined a few coaching careers.
LOL yeah, he ruined Eberflus and Getsy 🤣🤣🤣
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Again, you should make a thread apologizing to me for being right, especially when you were wrong on Eberlose and Poles.
About what? The same GM/HC tandem you predicted would be in the Super Bowl last year?
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What's there to say? He looks the same as he did in that game.
I complained about Eberlose before Eilliams was drafted. The guy, whom you infamously defended, stunk.
And yet predicted the roster you constantly complained about coached by the coach you constantly complained about, built by the GM you constantly complained about to win the NFC last year.
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Eberflus: “Plenty good enough for Fields!”
Also Eberflus: “So bad Caleb’s rookie year doesn’t even count!”
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Eberflus: “Plenty good enough for Fields!”
Also Eberflus: “So bad Caleb’s rookie year doesn’t even count!”
This the same Eberflus who gave up 44 points to Denver yesterday?
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This the same Eberflus who gave up 44 points to Denver yesterday?
Tempo will still argue that there are reasons to keep Eberlose as Dallas DC.....
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This the same Eberflus who gave up 44 points to Denver yesterday?
Good enough for Fields! But also so bad Caleb’s rookie season doesn’t even count!
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Good enough for Fields! But also so bad Caleb’s rookie season doesn’t even count!
As we all know because he said so himself, Fields didn't want to be coached. Given that Eberlose was doing nothing, there was no problem
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Good to see you brush off that narrative, hadn’t used that one in a bit!
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Good to see you brush off that narrative, hadn’t used that one in a bit!
It is all factual. I note that the only person here who defended Eberlose was you. You claimed the defense was on an upswing when they were slaying bums and Joe Flacco got off his couch to torch them. 'Twas not I who claimed that Eberlose was good enough for Fields. It was you. And only you.
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LOLOLOLOL
Narrative machine has gotten a tune up, I see.
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LOLOLOLOL
Narrative machine has gotten a tune up, I see.
All factual. Your brilliant analysis proclaimed you to declare the existence of reasons to keep Eberlose. Your brilliant analysis also told us that the defense was on the upswing, until Joe Flacco left his couch and torched them while Your Guy, Monty Sweat, was standing on the sidelines.
You were wrong then and you are wrong now. You need to apologize to everyone here for your terrible takes.
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You are the one who defended Eberlose. No one else here did.
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I specifically said “if you were looking to build a case to retain Eberflus, you could.” I also said that if they were planning on changing quarterbacks they should get rid of Eberflus. I also said firing Eberflus going into 2024 might be a bit cold blooded but could be a shrewd move. Those are exactly the things I said.
As usual, the Narrative Machine plays hard and lose with the “facts.”
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Also, George wasn’t firing Eberflus with three years on his deal (and “progress” in W/L record and defense), so it was a moot point.
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I was willing to show Eberflus more patience than most, I’ll own up to that. But I also understood he wasn’t getting fired after 2023.
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All factual. Your brilliant analysis proclaimed you to declare the existence of reasons to keep Eberlose. Your brilliant analysis also told us that the defense was on the upswing, until Joe Flacco left his couch and torched them while Your Guy, Monty Sweat, was standing on the sidelines.
You were wrong then and you are wrong now. You need to apologize to everyone here for your terrible takes.
3 years after getting off his couch Flacco torched Pittsburgh after being in the system a week.
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I specifically said “if you were looking to build a case to retain Eberflus, you could.” I also said that if they were planning on changing quarterbacks they should get rid of Eberflus. I also said firing Eberflus going into 2024 might be a bit cold blooded but could be a shrewd move. Those are exactly the things I said.
As usual, the Narrative Machine plays hard and lose with the “facts.”
You claimed one of the reasons was the defense was on the upswing.... As said contemporaneously, they were slaying bums. You also were blowing Monty Sweat. Yet, he sucks. You also told us how great Poles was. You were completely wrong, again, but this is the one bad take you at least have started admitting was wrong.
Start the apology thread!
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The defense was a solid unit and up came coming. That was a broadly held view, not just my own. As bad as last year was, the defense wasn’t a bad unit. Disappointing, but still serviceable.
I may have been wrong on Poles. I agreed with a lot of his strategy. Had some major complaints, but overall liked the vision. His drafting is looking pretty suspect; but I also am more patient and not going to declare a draft class good or bad (especially bad) after less than 2-3 years. His first class is in their 4th year. And that was an overall pretty solid class: despite lacking a 1st rounder and capital going into the draft.
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The defense was a solid unit and up came coming. That was a broadly held view, not just my own. As bad as last year was, the defense wasn’t a bad unit. Disappointing, but still serviceable.
I may have been wrong on Poles. I agreed with a lot of his strategy. Had some major complaints, but overall liked the vision. His drafting is looking pretty suspect; but I also am more patient and not going to declare a draft class good or bad (especially bad) after less than 2-3 years. His first class is in their 4th year. And that was an overall pretty solid class: despite lacking a 1st rounder and capital going into the draft.
Broadly held by the same Know Nothing Twotter Short Bus Crew that think Fields doesn't suck ass.... Shocker!
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Broadly held by the same Know Nothing Twotter Short Bus Crew that think Fields doesn't suck ass.... Shocker!
Of all your canned disqualifiers, you get the most mileage out of “the twotter!” for sure!.
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Of all your canned disqualifiers, you get the most mileage out of “the twotter!” for sure!.
Because it is the biggest assortment of idiots found on the face of the Earth.
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And it’s a surefire way to win any and all arguments on the spot, whether it’s applicable or not!
“Twotter!”
“Squirrel!” 🐿️
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And it’s a surefire way to win any and all arguments on the spot, whether it’s applicable or not!
“Twotter!”
“Squirrel!” 🐿️
A surefire way to lose an argument is by citing "people on the Internet say...." or "NFL scouts say..."
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You literally trash every source I offer, without fail. All. Of. Them.
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You literally trash every source I offer, without fail. All. Of. Them.
Maybe if you cited someone knowledgeable, say, like me, I would not trash them.
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Unfortunately for me, the list of knowledgeable people is:
ThePAMan
End of list.
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Unfortunately for me, the list of knowledgeable people is:
ThePAMan
End of list.
Think you have a typo in there. You are fortunate to read my musings.
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Been thinking about this one for awhile....finally pulled the trigger.
(https://i.postimg.cc/s1JddMPC/Short-Bus.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/s1JddMPC)
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I’ll give it a B.
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Who’s at the back of the bus, and who’s getting run over?
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I’ll give it a B.
Did not know who else to add so picked Aaron Glenn....
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Who’s at the back of the bus, and who’s getting run over?
Troy Aikman.
Woody Johnson is getting run over.
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Did not know who else to add so picked Aaron Glenn....
He was obvious. The last guy. And the guy getting run over. I can’t tell who they are.
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He was obvious. The last guy. And the guy getting run over. I can’t tell who they are.
You can click on it to see a larger version, you know....
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Where is Wayne in his Justin Fields jersey at the shrine?
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Jets decide to tank once Fields is their QB. Funny how that seems to happen when he is the starting QB.
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Jets decide to tank once Fields is their QB. Funny how that seems to happen when he is the starting QB.
every single time, what a coincidence
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Yeah, huh. Weird.
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Wut
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Wut
I'll type really slowly for you....
The
Jets
Tanking
And
Trading
All
Their
Good
Players
Since
Fields
Became
Their
Starting
QB.
Every
Team
Where
Fields
Is
The
starter
Winds
Up
Tanking.
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Just saw they traded Gardner. Yep, it's Fields' fault the entire Jets organization stinks!
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PAMan
Loves
A
Good
Narrative.
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This morning PAMan said the Bears ran up 283 rushing yards because "they were running clock." At halftime Monongai already had 100 yards.
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One guy is the SOLE reason his organization stinks, the other is a franchise SAVIOR!
(https://i.postimg.cc/vmss84bk/IMG-4058.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/68YSY57f)
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PAMan is so right, Poles’ gutted the Bears not because they were old, had no money, and no draft capital. He did it because Fields was QB!
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It must really suck when your favorite player moves from team-to-team and then each of those teams tank when he becomes the starting QB.
It really must be coincidental....
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PAMan is so right, Poles’ gutted the Bears not because they were old, had no money, and no draft capital. He did it because Fields was QB!
Fields appears to be instrumental for teams that are tanking. Wonder why?
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It must really suck when your favorite player moves from team-to-team and then each of those teams tank when he becomes the starting QB.
It really must be coincidental....
It’s happened twice. Under the conditions I just mentioned, and under the Jets; the worst organization in football the last 25 years.
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Fields appears to be instrumental for teams that are tanking. Wonder why?
Tell me again how the Bears were “running clock” on their way to 283 yards rushing.
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No one spends more time throwing shit at the wall than ThePAMan. That’s a fact.
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No one spends more time throwing shit at the wall than ThePAMan. That’s a fact.
DJT
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Tell me again how I’m responsible for 1/6 by listening to The Score. That’s one of my favorites.
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It’s happened twice. Under the conditions I just mentioned, and under the Jets; the worst organization in football the last 25 years.
He's been named as starter for 2 teams. Both tanked with him as the starting QB. He's good for a team that wants to tank.
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DJT
Tempo never let the facts get in the way of a good Tempo Narrative....
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Tell me again how the Bears were “running clock” on their way to 283 yards rushing.
They ran the ball to try and kill the clock in the 2d half. Didn't work obviously. Was your streaming service not working in the 2d half of the football game again?
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Tell me again how I’m responsible for 1/6 by listening to The Score. That’s one of my favorites.
That and being on The Twotter and The FaceTime that are, you know, owned by Trump supporters.
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One guy is the SOLE reason his organization stinks, the other is a franchise SAVIOR!
(https://i.postimg.cc/vmss84bk/IMG-4058.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/68YSY57f)
I don't think those stats are correct
also LOL at the picture, bustin running while caleb is passing
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He's been named as starter for 2 teams. Both tanked with him as the starting QB. He's good for a team that wants to tank.
Again, it’s Fields’ fault the 2022 Bears were old, bad, broke, and had little draft capital! You are SO RIGHT, just like ALWAYS!
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I don't think those stats are correct
also LOL at the picture, bustin running while caleb is passing
It was from before Sunday. But the narrative was the same, so the premise stands.
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That and being on The Twotter and The FaceTime that are, you know, owned by Trump supporters.
I should be tried and convicted!
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It was from before Sunday. But the narrative was the same, so the premise stands.
interestingly, bears were 3-1 during that stretch
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They ran the ball to try and kill the clock in the 2d half. Didn't work obviously. Was your streaming service not working in the 2d half of the football game again?
The one part of the offense that was going great in the first half was…the run game. Wanna try again?
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Again, it’s Fields’ fault the 2022 Bears were old, bad, broke, and had little draft capital! You are SO RIGHT, just like ALWAYS!
He was perfect for The Tank. Sure the Jets organization is stoked about the great draft picks they will get with him as QB.
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interestingly, bears were 3-1 during that stretch
ALL Caleb’s doing, for sure!
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ALL Caleb’s doing, for sure!
It was from before Sunday. But the narrative was the same, so the premise stands.
bears were 1-2 when caleb threw for 7TD's-1 Int in the 3 games prior
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He was perfect for The Tank. Sure the Jets organization is stoked about the great draft picks they will get with him as QB.
You should stick with this one, at least there’s some meat to pick with this one. Your previous narrative is garbage. And again, it’s ALL Fields’ fault they Jets are terrible (and have been for all but 2 of the last 25 years)!
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The one part of the offense that was going great in the first half was…the run game. Wanna try again?
Yeah, they were. And they added more yards in the 2d half as they were trying to run the clock. Until they had to pass at the end.
And the Bear QB threw the game winning TD pass. Unlike the Jet QB.
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Again, no one flings more shit at the wall than ThePAMan; it’s not close.
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You should stick with this one, at least there’s some meat to pick with this one. Your previous narrative is garbage. And again, it’s ALL Fields’ fault they Jets are terrible (and have been for all but 2 of the last 25 years)!
Well, they signed Fields. So they were idiots not knowing they would suck with him as QB. Since he sucks they now really suck. Ergo the tank. Classic Fields Effect. Fields as your QB means you are going to be tanking to get a new QB.
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bears were 1-2 when caleb threw for 7TD's-1 Int in the 3 games prior
Why you insist on raising facts when dealing with Tempo's Fields Narratives is beyond me. He will not admit to being wrong about Fields.
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I’ve admitted many many times that Fields may indeed be nothing more than a journeyman backup. You just refuse to listen because you’re like a rabid dog.
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You did push back real hard on that too, though. So you acknowledged it, it some weird sort of way.
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I’ve admitted many many times that Fields may indeed be nothing more than a journeyman backup. You just refuse to listen because you’re like a rabid dog.
You are driving the JFC Twotter Fan Short Bus over yourself?
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I have maintained that situation matters, though. Funny how Fields being in a terrible situation with the Bears wasn’t worth mentioning, but all he’s done is deflect criticism of Caleb for a year and a half because NOTHING around Caleb was adequate. Hmmmm…
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You are driving the JFC Twotter Fan Short Bus over yourself?
Weeks, if not months ago, you were just too busy foaming at the mouth to notice.
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I have maintained that situation matters, though. Funny how Fields being in a terrible situation with the Bears wasn’t worth mentioning, but all he’s done is deflect criticism of Caleb for a year and a half because NOTHING around Caleb was adequate. Hmmmm…
No one ever said NOTHING around Caleb was adequate....People with eyes could see that the coaching staff sucked ass well before the season even started. You, of course, were not among them.
Where did the extra half a year come from?
Fields was a baby when he was here. Fuck that guy. Glad he is stuck on another shit ass team.
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Weeks, if not months ago, you were just too busy foaming at the mouth to notice.
Custard, feel free to add to the JFC Twotter Fans Short Bus.....
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Not ancient, but from last month and I said I’ve thought possibility this for a while. You pushed back hard that Fields wouldn’t be an upgrade over Cooper Rush type QBs.
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No one ever said NOTHING around Caleb was adequate....People with eyes could see that the coaching staff sucked ass well before the season even started. You, of course, were not among them.
Where did the extra half a year come from?
Fields was a baby when he was here. Fuck that guy. Glad he is stuck on another shit ass team.
This was you at the beginning of the year. Crying about how you can’t do anything without a star LT. At that point, Braxton Jones had been the most consistent performer the Bears OL had had the prior 3 years. You’ve been literally unwilling to hold Caleb accountable until every last position was more than adequately filled.
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Yet rookie 5th round pick Braxton Jones: “Plenty good enough for Fields!”
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This was you at the beginning of the year. Crying about how you can’t do anything without a star LT. At that point, Braxton Jones had been the most consistent performer the Bears OL had had the prior 3 years. You’ve been literally unwilling to hold Caleb accountable until every last position was more than adequately filled.
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That they needed a LT was really a shocking hot take....c'mon man. He was the tallest midget on that line for 3 years. Do you even watch the games? I will note, again, that the Bear Head Coach was anxious to find anyone but Braxton Jones to play LT since the start of the season...We have been through the Braxton Jones argument before....
Yes, the guy who never wanted to draft Caleb Williams in the first place has been willing to see what the Bear would do with the coaching staff since Your Guy Eberlose sucked complete ass from the time he was hired. I know that is not a Hot Twotter Take!
We are midway through Williams' Essentially His Rookie Year Again. He is doing fine. Has a shit load to work on and yet he is still on pace for 4,000 yards and a Bear Top 10 QB Season (definitely taller midget territory as we all know).
We were told on one broadcast that Williams is the 1st one in and the last one to leave Halas Hall! Would think that would make you happy given you Cam Ward Is a Football Player Love.
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Yet rookie 5th round pick Braxton Jones: “Plenty good enough for Fields!”
Fields did not want to be coached. He apparently did not think he needs it. And they were tanking. He was perfect for The Tank. Especially when he handed the ball to the Bronco in the 4th quarter. Well, now he is stuck on another tanking team....
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Fields is an elite tank commander!
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Justin "Tank" Fields.
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LOL every excuse never allowed even for a moment to Justin Fields has been afforded to Caleb by you. Literally every excuse in the book, you’ve made for Caleb. Despite Caleb having a better roster and being hailed generational out of college (by who, the Twotter?!). You’re so far down on Caleb’s nob you’re even calling him a 2nd year rookie.
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Fields is an elite tank commander!
B+
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Fields did not want to be coached. He apparently did not think he needs it.
Another bullshit narrative.
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It’s funny how when Fields was here literally everything was Justin’s fault, and the minute we drafted Caleb everything became everyone but the quarterback’s fault. Twas a great plot twist!
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Another bullshit narrative.
No it isn't. The shithead said it
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It’s funny how when Fields was here literally everything was Justin’s fault, and the minute we drafted Caleb everything became everyone but the quarterback’s fault. Twas a great plot twist!
Except no one has ever said that.
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No it isn't. The shithead said it
It’s a bullshit narrative. None of his coaches have ever had anything but positive things to say about him. I read that Tomlin and Smith enjoyed coaching him. There aren’t many secrets in the NFL, if Fields was truly unwilling to be coached, he wouldn’t have gotten another shot with the Jets. It’s another one of your bullshit made up narratives.
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Except no one has ever said that.
Sure you did, over and over. There was literally nothing you weren’t willing to blame on Fields. You talk out of both sides of your mouth constantly, so I guess you do that so you have “an out.”
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LOL every excuse never allowed even for a moment to Justin Fields has been afforded to Caleb by you. Literally every excuse in the book, you’ve made for Caleb. Despite Caleb having a better roster and being hailed generational out of college (by who, the Twotter?!). You’re so far down on Caleb’s nob you’re even calling him a 2nd year rookie.
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Fields has had 5 years to get his shit together. He hasn't done it. Now he's on his second tank.
If you believed the idiots who hailed Williams as generational, that's due to your own ignorance and stupidity. Undoubtedly because you never watched his games.
As I, and others said here before, if he makes it, fine. If not, back to the drawing board.
But everyone here, except for you, seems to be glad Fields, The Tank Commander, is gone ...
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“The idiots,” meaning: scouts
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It’s a bullshit narrative. None of his coaches have ever had anything but positive things to say about him. I read that Tomlin and Smith enjoyed coaching him. There aren’t many secrets in the NFL, if Fields was truly unwilling to be coached, he wouldn’t have gotten another shot with the Jets. It’s another one of your bullshit made up narratives.
LOL. Shitty QB Who Doesn't Want to Be Coached has to sign with Shitty Organization That Sucks instead of Pittsburgh?
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It really is a shame PAMan didn’t choose to go into football because he’d be the greatest GM/Coach/Scout of all-time, by a mile. Just ask him! He knows exactly what he’s seeing on every player after one viewing! He’s got 6 TVs!
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Sure you did, over and over. There was literally nothing you weren’t willing to blame on Fields. You talk out of both sides of your mouth constantly, so I guess you do that so you have “an out.”
He sucked. Others sucked as well. It is not as if no one complained about the coaching staff, the bumslaying defense, the offensive line, Poles.....
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“The idiots,” meaning: scouts
Ryan Leaf was drafted ahead of Payton Manning, wasn't he?
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It really is a shame PAMan didn’t choose to go into football because he’d be the greatest GM/Coach/Scout of all-time, by a mile. Just ask him! He knows exactly what he’s seeing on every player after one viewing! He’s got 6 TVs!
I should have. Don't have 6 TVs though.
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It’s a bullshit narrative. None of his coaches have ever had anything but positive things to say about him. I read that Tomlin and Smith enjoyed coaching him. There aren’t many secrets in the NFL, if Fields was truly unwilling to be coached, he wouldn’t have gotten another shot with the Jets. It’s another one of your bullshit made up narratives.
I'm sure that you didn't read it, but read it "between the lines" .....
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LOL. Shitty QB Who Doesn't Want to Be Coached has to sign with Shitty Organization That Sucks instead of Pittsburgh?
Some anecdotal evidence and a tiny application of common sense tells one this narrative is bullshit. If Fields truly “didn’t want to be coached,” the Steelers would not have made a competitive offer to bring him back. You deal in half-truths and outright shenanigans.
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Some anecdotal evidence and a tiny application of common sense tells one this narrative is bullshit. If Fields truly “didn’t want to be coached,” the Steelers would not have made a competitive offer to bring him back. You deal in half-truths and outright shenanigans.
And yet we know that the Steeler did not offer Fields a contract until after Russ said he was taking his talents elsewhere. It was an afterthought after Russ told them adios. Then a better QB luckily fell into their lap or else the Steeler would be tanking right now.
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LOL because the owner wanted Russ back.
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The PAMan narrative: Ryan Poles arrives at Halas Hall 2022. “My roster is old, unproductive, expensive, and I have no salary cap or draft capital. What’s my biggest problem? Justin Fields! Slice everything!”
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LOL because the owner wanted Russ back.
We have no reports other than they wanted both guys back except for confirmation they approached Russ first and Sh1t only after Russ said no. Owner lucky he didn't get stuck with Sh1t or they would be tanking right now.
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The fact they also discussed extending Russ has nothing to do with the fact they still offered Fields a contract and a starting position. They wouldn’t do that for a guy who has a bad attitude and is “unwilling to be coached.”
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The PAMan narrative: Ryan Poles arrives at Halas Hall 2022. “My roster is old, unproductive, expensive, and I have no salary cap or draft capital. What’s my biggest problem? Justin Fields! Slice everything!”
Fields was one of his biggest helpers in The Tank
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The fact they also discussed extending Russ has nothing to do with the fact they still offered Fields a contract and a starting position. They wouldn’t do that for a guy who has a bad attitude and is “unwilling to be coached.”
They were desperate since no one was left, remember? No one knew Rodgers was coming back at the time. Lucky for them they avoided The Elite Tank Commander.
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Thanks to Miles Leonard for the inspiration.....
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OMG
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Thanks to Miles Leonard for the inspiration.....
Ouch. ;D
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Thanks to Miles Leonard for the inspiration.....
😂
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Thanks to Miles Leonard for the inspiration.....
🤣🤣
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They were desperate since no one was left, remember? No one knew Rodgers was coming back at the time. Lucky for them they avoided The Elite Tank Commander.
No one was left? IIRC Fields signed with the Jets the day the free agent period began. Keep up with your completely pulled out of your ass narratives though. If it wasn’t day one, it was early, in March.
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Check the dates. Pretty odd that “no one would be left” before the FA period even began.
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Check the dates. Pretty odd that “no one would be left” before the FA period even began.
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Who were they going to sign? Darnold? LOL
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Just admit you were caught in an outright lie.
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Just admit you were caught in an outright lie.
Tell me who they were going to sign otherwise....you can't because they were not shopping around other than signing Mason Rudolph. They ended "settling" for Rogers after they tried to "settle" for Fields.
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Tell me who they were going to sign otherwise....you can't because they were not shopping around other than signing Mason Rudolph. They ended "settling" for Rogers after they tried to "settle" for Fields.
You lied. Bottom line.
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They wanted Fields back, that’s why he was offered a contract before signing with NY. And yes, I suppose they could have went after Darnold, but they apparently didn’t.
In the end, you lied to bolster your bullshit narrative.
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They also could have tried signing Daniel Jones, Jameis, Flacco, Russ, Dalton, Brissett. Surely any one of those is better than Sh1T!
Or they could have offered a trade.
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You lied. Bottom line.
Bottom line you were wrong yet again and continue spreading more false information as fact.
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You posted 2 posts of things they never did or were never going to do because they are cheap like the Bear.
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Bottom line you were wrong yet again and continue spreading more false information as fact.
You literally just got caught telling a lie.
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You literally just got caught telling a lie.
No. When did Darnold sign with Seattle? 3/10. All the deals were done once the clock started. They were left without a seat.
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Horseshit.
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Well certainly any retread is better than someone who’s “unwilling to be coached!” Wouldn’t that be logical?
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Horseshit.
Nope
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Well certainly any retread is better than someone who’s “unwilling to be coached!” Wouldn’t that be logical?
They traded for him in the first place, so you have to question their smarts. Which you did repeatedly all last year, albeit for different reasons.
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If only Bustin had been able to sit for a few years and learn from Aaron Rodgers, like Love did.
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Pickens an All Pro. Looks like Fields was holding him back.
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He had other quarterbacks. Fields was his QB for 6 games. And had multiple bad drops during those 6 games, but keep the narrative up.
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Wait, All Pro? Pretty sure you mean Pro Bowl; which as I’m pretty sure you’ve said, is a pretty diminished accomplishment these days.
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And you saw how he disengaged completely when the Cowboys needed him most. Talented player, but a losing player.
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CeeDee Lamb taking up so much attention must have helped him!
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Is there a receiver in the league that could make fields look like an actual quarterback?
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Looks like I got Tempo going Old School with the multiple posts!
Yes, Tempo, that Pickens!
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Is there a receiver in the league that could make fields look like an actual quarterback?
I know this is a rhetorical question, but the answer is "No "
Now he has a fake injury because he's pissed he got benched. Guy is, and has been, a bad egg. ThePAZionistThemThey called it early on! Was so AOTC that they do not even have a word to do it justice
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It’s always possible the Jets assigned him a “fake injury.” They’ve gone through all of this, to maybe having to start him again if needed or the others suck (which they have)? I doubt even the Jets are dumb enough to do that to themselves.
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Or could have been a mutual decision.
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I know this is a rhetorical question, but the answer is "No "
Now he has a fake injury because he's pissed he got benched. Guy is, and has been, a bad egg. ThePAZionistThemThey called it early on! Was so AOTC that they do not even have a word to do it justice
Kmet and DJ both had career years here with Fields. His passing numbers would have looked considerably better if he hadn’t missed 5.5 games or so.
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It’s always possible the Jets assigned him a “fake injury.” They’ve gone through all of this, to maybe having to start him again if needed or the others suck (which they have)? I doubt even the Jets are dumb enough to do that to themselves.
The Jets are faking his fake injury?
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The Jets are faking his fake injury?
Possibly. Teams sometimes shut down guys they don’t want to play. The Vikings probably sat JJ 3 weeks longer than they originally intended because Wentz was working out for a while. It’s an easy way to avoid a PR jam.
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Possibly. Teams sometimes shut down guys they don’t want to play. The Vikings probably sat JJ 3 weeks longer than they originally intended because Wentz was working out for a while. It’s an easy way to avoid a PR jam.
That is a way to spin it.
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Apparently no longer a Jet. He wasn’t good this year, but that franchise is a joke. There’s some decent coaches out there right now, they should shitcan Glenn and get one. I know the coach can’t make plays, but how the fuck do you coach defense and not get an INT all season? Through like 13 games they had 1 takeaway all year. LOL
Harbaugh or Stefanski would be big upgrades. No one wants to work for that owner, though.
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Apparently no longer a Jet. He wasn’t good this year, but that franchise is a joke. There’s some decent coaches out there right now, they should shitcan Glenn and get one. I know the coach can’t make plays, but how the fuck do you coach defense and not get an INT all season? Through like 13 games they had 1 takeaway all year. LOL
Harbaugh or Stefanski would be big upgrades. No one wants to work for that owner, though.
Fields and the Fields Fan Forevers are the biggest jokes.
Fuck that whiny cry baby Fields. Should ship his loser ass off to Venezuela!
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Well they are a free country now.
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Well they are a free country now.
It would be awsome if he was sent there and the Maduro thugs beat his whiny ass.
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Weird.
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Weird.
You were BTC on this one.
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Fields is a bad egg, as ThePAOTCMan warned you when he was a Bear complaining about being coached.
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The Mob killed Kennedy theory has more meat on the bone than your “Fields is a bad egg” narrative.
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I’m a Justin Fields fan, and I think this guy is on dope.
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The Mob killed Kennedy theory has more meat on the bone than your “Fields is a bad egg” narrative.
Nope. He has been a whiner everywhere he has gone. He moped in Pittsburgh, complained about being coached here, and was a whiny bitch when he got benched in NY. Facts.
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I’m a Justin Fields fan, and I think this guy is on dope.
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Please let him know that Fields ruined Getsy!
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You’re literally the only one spouting that narrative.
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Please let him know that Fields ruined Getsy!
And this one is even more laughable.
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You’re literally the only one spouting that narrative.
Maybe Doesn't make it untrue. Look at how he acted when Glenn called him out and then he had a fake injury Each year it is something because he's a little bitch. Just like his fans!
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And this one is even more laughable.
Getsy never stood a chance. Never should have agreed to coach Fields.
Fields has ruined Getsy and Aaron Glenn.
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Maybe Doesn't make it untrue. Look at how he acted when Glenn called him out and then he had a fake injury Each year it is something because he's a little bitch. Just like his fans!
You don’t know that. You’re surmising.
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You don’t know that. You’re surmising.
LOL.
We know because we saw how sensitive, bitter, and resistent to coaching he has been wherever he goes
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Back to regular programming....
https://nfltraderumors.co/top-five-worst-roster-moves-of-2025/
Guess who is listed first?
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Logan Ulrich?! Sounds like he should be playing drums in a heavy metal band!
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Logan Ulrich?! Sounds like he should be playing drums in a heavy metal band!
Don't mock the guy holding NFL GMs accountable even if they don't read the article!
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At least it’s not a woman. I’m guessing.
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The Shrine needs to be updated.... Fields is going to be a Chief. Tempo on The Chief Bandwagon with Taylor Swift!
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The Shrine needs to be updated.... Fields is going to be a Chief. Tempo on The Chief Bandwagon with Taylor Swift!
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The Shrine needs to be updated.... Fields is going to be a Chief. Tempo on The Chief Bandwagon with Taylor Swift!
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Epic. Simply Epic.
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Been thinking about this one for awhile....finally pulled the trigger.
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Soon to add Andy Reid?
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Sucks for Mahomes that he will be looking for a new team soon.
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put it in the louvre
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put it in the louvre
There’s really nothing in The Louvre past the mid 19th century. Put it in MoMA.
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There’s really nothing in The Louvre past the mid 19th century. Put it in MoMA.
Let The Hague decide…
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Let The Hague decide…
Very “clever!”
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Anyone else feel bad that Patrick Mahomes will have to look for a new team now that he's been replaced?
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That's a good one
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I like it.