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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: ILLINICHIEF on November 10, 2023, 07:55:57 PM
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Your guess is?
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Frustrating player in some ways but unique. Probably because he’s been built up to be something he’s not and we keep expecting him to be that something. More often than not he’s a solid player that does a lot of things. Attitude sucks. Lkdog is probably too hard on him. He kind of is what he is at this point.
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Put him on the Illini All-Time Disappointment team with Jereme Richmond, Marcus Liberty, Meyers Leonard, and Crandall Head.
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Put him on the Illini All-Time Disappointment team with Jereme Richmond, Marcus Liberty, Meyers Leonard, and Crandall Head.
Agree with your list. Add Shaun Pruitt?
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Agree with your list. Add Shaun Pruitt?
Agree....Alex Legion hype?
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Dude was a sub 100 RSCI. Not sure why people tried to make him out to be the next Anthony Davis.
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He's ultimately a 3-star recruit who can play as a wing forward or athletic 5 with better handles on the perimeter than the typical 4 but gets pushed around by bigger 5s and his basketball IQ is below average. He's a useful piece on a NCAA tournament team that was sold to us as a point-forward who can be the 2nd best player on a B1G title team. I think he'll make a lot of money as a pro but not in the league.
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Put him on the Illini All-Time Disappointment team with Jereme Richmond, Marcus Liberty, Meyers Leonard, and Crandall Head.
All those guys were exceptional athletes, something Hawkins is not. Actually, based on his size, skill set and top 200 ranking, he should be compared with guys like Scott Meents, Bill Cole, Mike Tisdale ...
Interesting that a guy like Liberty is considered a disappointment because of expectations. He played 2 years here. Lost one year due to fucked up NCAA rules. Was then 6th man on a FF team. Averaged 18 points and 7 rebounds his final year.
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Agree. Liberty was a good player.
Stuck 4 years in the NBA also.
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Put him on the Illini All-Time Disappointment team with Jereme Richmond, Marcus Liberty, Meyers Leonard, and Crandall Head.
College Meyers Leonard was not a disappointment.
NBA Meyers Leonard on the other hand...
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Hawkins actually had one of his better games statistically. 5A/2TO's, 8 Rebounds. Was 3-5 from field. Didn't brick line drive threes mindlessly.
He was just a little bitch all night as usual, got beat easily one on one on D several times, and passed up a few wide open 13 footers which he has start taking.
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Agree with your list. Add Shaun Pruitt?
Shaun Pruitt was a far greater contributor than the rest of the list.
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College Meyers Leonard was not a disappointment.
NBA Meyers Leonard on the other hand...
B1G Honorable Mention isn’t enough production from the most athletic 7’0 player Illinois has ever had. He was drafted almost strictly on potential.
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B1G Honorable Mention isn’t enough production from the most athletic 7’0 player Illinois has ever had. He was drafted almost strictly on potential.
Weber told him to follow Tisdale around
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Agree. Liberty was a good player.
Stuck 4 years in the NBA also.
“Good” isn’t quite what you’re looking for from the #1 recruit in the country.
He was a disappointment compared to what was expected.
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Weber told him to follow Tisdale around
Lol
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“Good” isn’t quite what you’re looking for from the #1 recruit in the country.
He was a disappointment compared to what was expected.
He couldn’t spell cat if you spotted him the C and the T.
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B1G Honorable Mention isn’t enough production from the most athletic 7’0 player Illinois has ever had. He was drafted almost strictly on potential.
He still put up 13 and 8 playing in Weber's broke ass motion offense in his soph year. I'm not gonna call that disappointing.
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He still put up 13 and 8 playing in Weber's broke ass motion offense in his soph year. I'm not gonna call that disappointing.
Illinois went 6-12 in conference play and missed the tourney. I’m calling that disappointing. He was an empty calories player. Not dominating in any way.
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Agree....Alex Legion hype?
2nd team
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The numbers weren't bad, but my one memory of him as an Illini is crying when we were getting our asses kicked by Nebraska and that should land him on the disappointments team bench by himself.
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The numbers weren't bad, but my one memory of him as an Illini is crying when we were getting our asses kicked by Nebraska and that should land him on the disappointments team bench by himself.
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The numbers weren't bad, but my one memory of him as an Illini is crying when we were getting our asses kicked by Nebraska and that should land him on the disappointments team bench by himself.
Ok that's a fair point.
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Putting up ok numbers on a piss poor team doesn’t save you from landing on the All-Disappointment Team.
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I get that but putting him with names like Jereme Richmond and Crandall Head is quite harsh. Those guys weren't just disappointments they were complete and colossal failures. He at least deserves better than that.
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I get that but putting him with names like Jereme Richmond and Crandall Head is quite harsh. Those guys weren't just disappointments they were complete and colossal failures. He at least deserves better than that.
Ok, we’ll name him MVP of the All-Disappointment Team.
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The numbers weren't bad, but my one memory of him as an Illini is crying when we were getting our asses kicked by Nebraska and that should land him on the disappointments team bench by himself.
That game was the end of Weber’s tenure.
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Ok, we’ll name him MVP of the All-Disappointment Team.
I can live with that.
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Nice fairly obvious article, ex player contributes. Glaring omission...not one mention of CoHawk.
Omitted from the article, omitted from the draft....kid screwed up so far by coming back imo.
https://www.thechampaignroom.com/2023/11/27/23977499/respect-is-earned-not-given-for-illinois-fighting-illini-ncaa-big-ten-brad-underwood
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Goode is shooting 40% from the line? Holy shit that’s funny.
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Eh, not as funny when I see he’s only taken 5 shots. Could easily be 70% if he makes next 5
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Will probably take him until January to get five more free throws.
He is now one of those specialty guys who takes nothing but threes and they will not have him in at end of close games protecting a lead as he can't handle the ball.
He is starting to look like a consistent threat.
Will see how it goes vs teams who can guard.
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Nice fairly obvious article, ex player contributes. Glaring omission...not one mention of CoHawk.
Omitted from the article, omitted from the draft....kid screwed up so far by coming back imo.
https://www.thechampaignroom.com/2023/11/27/23977499/respect-is-earned-not-given-for-illinois-fighting-illini-ncaa-big-ten-brad-underwood
He made the right decision. Probably making more in NIL than he would in G League or lower level overseas.
Hopefully he gets his head straight and starts to play an entire game for once in his life.
Otherwise we are going to have a rough year.
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Why don’t we play him at the FT line in a high low at times? Had some success with that here and there last year as he can pass out or back down a smaller defender for a little hook shot in the lane. Or dish the ball underneath if he draws a second defender. Dude is 6’11” he needs to be a threat to score inside 15’.
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Why don’t we play him at the FT line in a high low at times? Had some success with that here and there last year as he can pass out or back down a smaller defender for a little hook shot in the lane. Or dish the ball underneath if he draws a second defender. Dude is 6’11” he needs to be a threat to score inside 15’.
Agreed, but he is usually wide open when he’s there and NEVER EVER looks to shoot the ball. It’s like he’s playing hot potato and can’t get it out of his hands quick enough. Also if he ever does drive from there his head immediately goes to look at the floor and it’s like he’s never practiced dribbling with his head up before. Basic skills seem hard for him.
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Agreed, but he is usually wide open when he’s there and NEVER EVER looks to shoot the ball. It’s like he’s playing hot potato and can’t get it out of his hands quick enough. Also if he ever does drive from there his head immediately goes to look at the floor and it’s like he’s never practiced dribbling with his head up before. Basic skills seem hard for him.
Seems like something they could work on but probably too late
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If Mike Tisdale could do it....
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Seems like something they could work on but probably too late
They can take time out of practicing Free Shot and 3 Point Shooting.
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They can take time out of practicing Free Shot and 3 Point Shooting.
Might as well...
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He made the right decision. Probably making more in NIL than he would in G League or lower level overseas.
Hopefully he gets his head straight and starts to play an entire game for once in his life.
Otherwise we are going to have a rough year.
Well probably is a hypothetical, so unless we all know what the kid got to come back (we don't), then he made a bad decisions based on the facts as we know them. I see ya down there, chin up now.
Head on Str8 and CoHawk are not in the same local....this kid was supposed to be, could have been, hasn't panned out, and won't so...his mental state is one of all those wrapped up into 1....In the 2024 draft (insert: your teams name here), does not, will not, won't ever pick CoHawk.
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Well probably is a hypothetical, so unless we all know what the kid got to come back (we don't), then he made a bad decisions based on the facts as we know them. I see ya down there, chin up now.
Head on Str8 and CoHawk are not in the same local....this kid was supposed to be, could have been, hasn't panned out, and won't so...his mental state is one of all those wrapped up into 1....In the 2024 draft (insert: your teams name here), does not, will not, won't ever pick CoHawk.
G league salary is $40K. He wasn't going to get a Two Way.
I am pretty sure he is getting more than that. ::)
My guess is 6 figures easy.
https://writingillini.com/2023/05/31/illinois-basketball-coleman-hawkins-returning-illini/ (https://writingillini.com/2023/05/31/illinois-basketball-coleman-hawkins-returning-illini/)
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1664043102477099010?lang=en (https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1664043102477099010?lang=en)
Have no idea what level he would end up at overseas, but since he has never shot for fuck and is a TO machine it wouldn't be a lot until he proved himself at a lower level.
They don't like shit basketball anymore than we do.
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I think they should work on 3 pt and FT shooting more.
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So is he playing against Rutgers?
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So is he playing against Rutgers?
I would think so
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Hawkins reminds me of Cook. Remember how Cook, in his first 3 years was the most frustrating player? Cook had a monster senior year though
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Hawkins reminds me of Cook. Remember how Cook, in his first 3 years was the most frustrating player? Cook had a monster senior year though
No? He was a burger boy who was pretty great from day 1
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Hawkins reminds me of Cook. Remember how Cook, in his first 3 years was the most frustrating player? Cook had a monster senior year though
Jesus
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Jesus
Welcome to the HQ2 pool.
Lol
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Hawkins reminds me of Cook. Remember how Cook, in his first 3 years was the most frustrating player? Cook had a monster senior year though
Uh no....clickbait LOL
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Hawkins reminds me of Cook. Remember how Cook, in his first 3 years was the most frustrating player? Cook had a monster senior year though
LOL
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Jesus
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Jobu Horsecockington has been a thing for 2 years and I’m just now discovering it?
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Amazing troll. Bravo.
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Jobu Horsecockington has been a thing for 2 years and I’m just now discovering it?
Where have you been??
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Nice. I noticed Jobu Horsecockington no longer exists.
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Nice. I noticed Jobu Horsecockington no longer exists.
Yes he does. He just doesn't always share his last name.
Bet you didn't know that me and Lkdog are brothers.
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Yes he does. He just doesn't always share his last name.
Bet you didn't know that me and Lkdog are brothers.
Well it does explain some things...
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It is a great honor on IlliniHQ2 to be awarded Horsecockingtonhood status.
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Some typical bonehead plays tonight, but hopefully drilling that three will instill some confidence, and he can get going on the offensive end