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General Category => Halas Hall Football Forum => Topic started by: Reacher on October 13, 2023, 08:52:54 AM
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Was slightly surprised to learn the highest ranked team he’s played was 11th ranked Utah last year.
I’ve never watched him play. I think I’ll tune in tomorrow.
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Was slightly surprised to learn the highest ranked team he’s played was 11th ranked Utah last year.
I’ve never watched him play. I think I’ll tune in tomorrow.
He's a very talented QB, no doubt. Obviously deserved the Heisman last year (hurts to say that as I hate SC with a passion). SC has very talented backs and receivers. ND better have their D play their best game of the year to slow him down to stay in the game.
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He's a very talented QB, no doubt. Obviously deserved the Heisman last year (hurts to say that as I hate SC with a passion). SC has very talented backs and receivers. ND better have their D play their best game of the year to slow him down to stay in the game.
Arizona went to 7 and 8 defensive backs and made him use his feet last weekend. Will see if ND does the same.
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Future Bears savior throws ill advised pick under pressure on 1st drive.
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Notre Dame ball 1st and 10 on USC’s 12 yard line.
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Why would anyone want a Southern Cal quarterback? What NFL quarterbacks have they produced? Mark Snachez? Matt Leinert? Matt Barkley? Sam Darnold? Pat Haden? Vince Evans?
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None of those guys are a Mike Tomczak, that’s for sure.
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He can definitely make the throws
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Future Bears savior throws ill advised pick under pressure on 1st drive.
If anything he should stay as far the fuck away from this franchise as possible
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Not a bad point. Carson Palmer was probably the best of the bunch and that was 20 years ago
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If anything he should stay as far the fuck away from this franchise as possible
He's working on it.
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He sucks. Stock dropping like a lead zeppelin
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Mel Kuiper better start rearranging his board.
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Perhaps Caleb would have been better served spending the year standing next to Lincoln Riley.
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He can definitely make the throws
Notre Dame defenders said at halftime he “throws a very catchable ball.”
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He has looked like shit in tonight’s game…
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I wouldn't draft him after this. Same terrible shit we have seen with Fields.
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I might be out on the tank for Caleb plan…
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I wouldn't draft him after this. Same terrible shit we have seen with Fields.
Yeah, definitely not an upgrade.
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I wonder if Ryan Poles is in South Bend today. I would think he would be.
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Didn’t see a lot tonight that screamed “generational prospect.” I’ll still take 3 1sts and 3 2nds for him though lol
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First time I’ve actually watched him. Guess I jinxed him!
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I wonder if Ryan Poles is in South Bend today. I would think he would be.
I would hope they at least had scouts at Washington-Oregon.
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First time I’ve actually watched him. Guess I jinxed him!
I watched a little of him last week. Looked shitty then too
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In three hours Caleb Williams went from essentially Heisman co-favorite to 50-1 (like 10th choice).
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Scratch the whole "Draft Williams and hire Riley" plan that I heard/read someone throw out there.
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Hahahahahahahaha
https://x.com/fanduel/status/1713369455856619846?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Notre Dame defenders said at halftime he “throws a very catchable ball.”
Haha yes he does
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The previous link was supposed to be this one.
https://x.com/justmikenaround/status/1713367115758027067?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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(https://i.postimg.cc/Jnw0xMCg/IMG-5197.png) (https://postimg.cc/cKmd4qHM)
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Why would anyone want a Southern Cal quarterback? What NFL quarterbacks have they produced? Mark Snachez? Matt Leinert? Matt Barkley? Sam Darnold? Pat Haden? Vince Evans?
Tempo looking AOTC on this one. Maybe picked up a slump buster last night?
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I love that misspelled Sanchez into Snachez.
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Todd "Robo" Marinovich, where have you gone?
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Todd "Robo" Marinovich, where have you gone?
Probably chowing on cheeseburgers at this point.
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First time I’ve actually watched him. Guess I jinxed him!
Thank you. The ND fan and SC hater thanks you. The 5 turnovers were huge.
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This is goddamn hilarious. As if the Bears had the first two picks they wouldn’t trade out of at least one of them…just fucking hilarious.
https://draftwire.usatoday.com/lists/broncos-russell-wilson-2024-nfl-mock-draft-caleb-williams/
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2nd week in a row Caleb Williams looking like a mere mortal. 14 for 20 139 yards and no TDs at the half against Utah. 14-14
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Never really understood all the Caleb Williams hype anyways. Riley’s ability to make his mediocre QBs (and opposing offenses) look 🔥🔥🔥 is HOF caliber.
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He sucks.. like fields sucks
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Might have to dial back the “next Patrick Mahomes” chatter.
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“Lincoln Riley to NFL” talk could be slowing…
https://sports.yahoo.com/plaschke-lincoln-riley-supposed-restore-110038371.html
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Giants, Broncos, and Patriots all said 'fuck Caleb Williams' today after seeing his performance this weekend.
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Caleb Williams having like a legit bad month of October. Not just with back to back subpar performances on the field, but in the media (wants part ownership?). Sounding like there could be off the field drama. Possible Williams slips from being the #1 pick? He’s having a very bad no good month.
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Also saw Emannuel Acho, whose opinion I usually respect advocate for him sitting out the rest of the year. Of course from a business perspective that makes sense, but I would be turned off by that if I were a GM.
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That dude has Maurice Clarett style bust written all over him
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I realize it’s just a random draft article, but a few weeks ago the idea of Caleb Williams falling out of the top spot (let alone to 4th) seemed unfathomable.
https://draftwire.usatoday.com/lists/2024-nfl-mock-draft-caleb-williams-drake-maye-shedeur-sanders/
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Tell ya what Bo Nix has been the best QB I have watched this year
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With some of the shine wearing off Williams, I wonder if the potential #1 pick is losing value (should the Bears have it). I bet I’ve seen 6-7 QBs talked about as 1st rounders.
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Worth it so as to move on from QB1.
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Just saw a mock with Caleb Williams going 4th. I’d imagine he’s probably still the favorite to go #1 but seeing a mock with him at 4 would have seemed unthinkable a month ago.
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Just saw a mock with Caleb Williams going 4th. I’d imagine he’s probably still the favorite to go #1 but seeing a mock with him at 4 would have seemed unthinkable a month ago.
Hope Oregon smashes his ass into the ground tonight.
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Hope Oregon smashes his ass into the ground tonight.
And then he cries.
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Greatest quarterback prospect since Elway thoroughly outplayed by Bo Nix. Pretty stunning collapse from Caleb Williams.
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Caleb Williams went from “best quarterback prospect since Elway” to “Yeah, he’s pretty good,” in record time.
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Caleb Williams went from “best quarterback prospect since Elway” to “Yeah, he’s pretty good,” in record time.
It’s a very “what have you done for me lately” kind of world we live in now with social media and 100% access to instant information…
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It’s a very “what have you done for me lately” kind of world we live in now with social media and 100% access to instant information…
I think it has more to do with his decline in play and seemingly eccentric behavior.
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Tell ya what Bo Nix has been the best QB I have watched this year
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Admittedly, I don’t watch much college football but hearing a lot about “ball security issues,” and “needs to make more on-time plays.” LMAO.
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lol
He got kind of a bad rap at Auburn if I'm not mistaken.
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We might be running out of saviors to draft at #1.
(https://i.postimg.cc/wTgFpk42/IMG-5576.png) (https://postimg.cc/9zgyPyhw)
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May as well sign Fields to the richest QB contract in NFL history
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May as well sign Fields to the richest QB contract in NFL history
That’s what I’m thinking.
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We might be running out of saviors to draft at #1.
(https://i.postimg.cc/wTgFpk42/IMG-5576.png) (https://postimg.cc/9zgyPyhw)
now look at Bo Nix's line from today... he did all that work in the first HALF
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May as well sign Fields to the richest QB contract in NFL history
Tempo just got a boner…
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Tempo just got a boner…
It’s never gone limp.
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That’s what I’m thinking.
Of course given the picture of you at the alter.
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Interesting.
(https://i.postimg.cc/1RjfXJjj/IMG-5912.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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You haven’t even watched the guy play
Surprising you’d use a stat that includes numbers at a different school as a true freshman, that’s exactly the sort of thing you disregard in other circumstances. It’s almost like you just hold up stats that agree with your opinion as valid and mock the other ones.
Are stats (or as you’d call them if Caleb Williams’ were uniformly good and I posted them “statz!”) relevant or aren’t they?
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I’m just showing stats.
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The stats are the stats. I know he couldn’t be expected to do anything with the lowly talent at Oklahoma and USC but the stats are the stats.
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I’m just showing stats.
I’ll say it again. We know exactly what you’re trying to do. You’re not fooling anybody…
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The stats are the stats. I know he couldn’t be expected to do anything with the lowly talent at Oklahoma and USC but the stats are the stats.
Are they?
When a stat contradicts what you believe is true you mock the person who posted it. “Statz!”
If the stats are the stats then Justin Fields isn’t a very good quarterback thusfar, but you don’t think those stats count. You mocked me for using his passer rating as evidence but then you saw a tweet about his passer rating in the last five full games and posted it as your evidence.
Is it that much to ask for you to be consistent about shit like that?
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I’ll say it again. We know exactly what you’re trying to do. You’re not fooling anybody…
Good, then You realize I’m sharing his stats against top 25 and non top 25. Busted.
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Are they?
When a stat contradicts what you believe is true you mock the person who posted it. “Statz!”
If the stats are the stats then Justin Fields isn’t a very good quarterback thusfar, but you don’t think those stats count. You mocked me for using his passer rating as evidence but then you saw a tweet about his passer rating in the last five full games and posted it as your evidence.
Is it that much to ask for you to be consistent about shit like that?
I’m not the one here trying to omit full seasons of stats. For the 2’d day in a row in a different context.
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Tf are you talking about?
You insist on omitting TWO full seasons of stats any time we discuss Justin Fields. You completely disregard any comment about his play in the first 27 of his 36 starts.
Nobody here has more consistently claimed that a large majority of the stats about a guy just don’t count at all.
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I’m not the one here trying to omit full seasons of stats.
What the fuck are you talking about?! That’s EXACTLY what you’ve been trying to do to defend Fields. Another 50 pages today doing the exact same thing. Carry on…
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Good, then You realize I’m sharing his stats against top 25 and non top 25. Busted.
You’re a Fields’ apologist…
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It’s funny cuz I thought yesterday we were getting somewhere a bit.
But nope, Tempo woke up this morning and chose bad faith bullshit again.
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Let the record show that Spark just compared Williams playing for 10th ranked 11-2 Oklahoma under a coach that produced two recent Heisman Trophy winning quarterbacks to Justin Fields getting saddled with at best the second worst roster in the NFL (you could argue Houston was just as bad) and a totally unproven OC.
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Let the record show that Spark just compared Williams playing for 10th ranked 11-2 Oklahoma under a coach that produced two recent Heisman Trophy winning quarterbacks to Justin Fields getting saddled with at best the second worst roster in the NFL (you could argue Houston was just as bad) and a totally unproven OC.
Man, I wonder why anyone would ever accuse you of lying?
If you want to revert to this dishonest bullshit go right ahead. You can scream it into the void.
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It’s funny cuz I thought yesterday we were getting somewhere a bit.
But nope, Tempo woke up this morning and chose bad faith bullshit again.
Unfair to present stats that include his play at lowly Oklahoma with quarterback guru Lincoln Riley.
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Man, I wonder why anyone would ever accuse you of lying?
If you want to revert to this dishonest bullshit go right ahead. You can scream it into the void.
Explain to me how this is dishonest. You can include Justin’s total career stats. I don’t care. The important thing is where is he now.
Did I lie about Fields getting handed shit in his 2nd year, a critical year in an NFL QBs development?
Did I lie about Caleb’s situation at Oklahoma? What am I lying about specifically?
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The 2022 NFL equivalent to Oklahoma would have been something like the Dallas Cowboys.
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Stats don't tell the whole story. Until they tell the whole story. lol
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Williams has 36 career games. And FTR his freshman season (which we apparently cannot count) his stats are almost identical across the board all three years. So I’ll give him credit for consistency in that regard.
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Stats don't tell the whole story. Until they tell the whole story. lol
I didn’t say they said the whole story. But there are worth looking at.
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Remarkable consistency in the numbers. Yet for some reason every time we talk about his performance im required to throw out a season and that season changes depending on the narrative.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FKhZ52sq/IMG-5913.png) (https://postimg.cc/Snt8c197)
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I didn’t say they said the whole story. But there are worth looking at.
You've never seen him play. So, you're using stats to tell the whole story. What else is there?
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For real though, those numbers are remarkably consistent. Which I would call a check mark on the positive side of ledger.
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You've never seen him play. So, you're using stats to tell the whole story. What else is there?
I never once said this or anything else was a definitive argument in his NFL potential. Just that this should probably be looked at further by those thinking about taking him. It could be a nothing burger. But it’s interesting.
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You've never seen him play. So, you're using stats to tell the whole story. What else is there?
Correction, I saw him play against ND. I saw nothing that screamed NFL franchise quarterback or next Patrick Mahomes. Could have just been a really bad day (against a top 25 opponent).
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If Caleb Williams ends up in a situation like Justin or Bryce Young had to deal with, I won’t hold it against him. Promise.
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I’ll wait here until someone points out what I lied about.
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Man, I wonder why anyone would ever accuse you of lying?
If you want to revert to this dishonest bullshit go right ahead. You can scream it into the void.
Please, feel free to expose any “lie” I am telling.
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Welp, judging by the lack of lies presented, I’m going to guess no lies found.
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Is the hill that 10th ranked Oklahoma as a freshman with Heisman guru Lincoln Riley the same as what Justin Fields was given as a 2nd year QB; despite his freshman year numbers mirroring his career numbers perfectly really the hill we’re taking a stand on?
The NFL equivalent of Oklahoma would have been last years’ Dallas Cowboys.
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Maybe Spark is working today. Or watching Maye film.
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Or maybe people are just sick and fucking tired of Tempo, Tempoing. Like it’s fucking exhausting and he’s a child. Not only that but a certified 100%, no matter what you say, Justin Fields apologist. It really does not matter the argument or case you make, he will find a way to cover for Fields. It’s pointless as fuck to talk to him about it.
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Welp, judging by the lack of lies presented, I’m going to guess no lies found.
I’m totally fine with you saying that. Enjoy your time with Mn, PAMan, and JudgeJudy.
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I’m totally fine with you saying that. Enjoy your time with Mn, PAMan, and JudgeJudy.
It’s funny you say that when Tempo is the actual fucking problem, you self-righteous bastard. We’ve already been through all of this shit with Tempo that you and him just did for the last fucking week and we’re sick and fucking tired of it. I see now you’ve reached that point as well. It’s the whole reason we make fun of his ass for the stupid shit he says.
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It’s funny you say that when Tempo is the actual fucking problem, you self-righteous bastard. We’ve already been through all of this shit with Tempo that you and him just did for the last fucking week and we’re sick and fucking tired of it. I see now you’ve reached that point as well. It’s the whole reason we make fun of his ass for the stupid shit he says.
It could be worse. He could have included Jobu, Golf, Beach Bum, Murph... Well, basically all 15 people that post here. And Miles, who has laid the lumber to Tempo lately.
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Or maybe people are just sick and fucking tired of Tempo, Tempoing. Like it’s fucking exhausting and he’s a child. Not only that but a certified 100%, no matter what you say, Justin Fields apologist. It really does not matter the argument or case you make, he will find a way to cover for Fields. It’s pointless as fuck to talk to him about it.
Cry more
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So where did I lie? If I’m going to be accused of lying, at least someone could tell me what I lied about.
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I posted statistical data. That’s it.
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I posted statistical data and got accused of lying. Classic HQ.
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So I guess the “lie” is that I don’t judge Justin harshly for being completely mishandled his rookie year by an incompetent coach (never given reps with the 1s) then thrown to the wolves with a veteran game plan against a Cleveland defense that battered him all afternoon with no reasonable adjustments from Nagy. And then in year 2 had the team stripped down around him and given a rookie OC who almost everyone agree sucks.
Yeah, that’s exactly the same as stepping into traditional powerhouse Oklahoma as a freshman with the best quarterback coach in college football.
Only at HQ does that all make total sense.
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Or constitutes “lying” even!
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I don't want to get involved since you got all mad when I said you were lying and I did not make the allegation here.
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Well rest assured there will be *crickets* here and you can talk to yourself from now on…
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Still waiting for someone to produce “the lie.”
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Are they?
When a stat contradicts what you believe is true you mock the person who posted it. “Statz!”
If the stats are the stats then Justin Fields isn’t a very good quarterback thusfar, but you don’t think those stats count. You mocked me for using his passer rating as evidence but then you saw a tweet about his passer rating in the last five full games and posted it as your evidence.
Is it that much to ask for you to be consistent about shit like that?
I think you value stats as much more definitive than I do. And I don’t think you take into account circumstances but consider everything essentially equal when they are not. Correct, I’m not going to value stats as much when a 2nd year quarterback’s stats are lacking when he’s been given practice squad level players to support him.
Again, you seem eager to toss out Willaims’ freshman year at 10th ranked Oklahoma with the nation’s best quarterback coach, perhaps by a mile. And you also ignore that his freshman splits are virtually identical to his entire career, which I acknowledged I would call a positive in his evaluation.
And lastly, you ignore Justin’s total stats, which are quite good. I get that the passing needs to be better, particularly when it was last year, but Justin Fields flat out carried that offense on his back last year. I think most people outside of hardcore Fields detractors would agree.
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And for the 832nd time, yes, Justin still has some noticeable flaws. But I think his playmaking ability supersedes a lot of that, and I think they are areas he can and should improve in. Partcicuarly when the talent is upgraded, and it will be. Tua took off when he got Hill and Waddle. Hurts took off when he got AJ Brown and Devonta Smith. Mahomes was at his best with Hill and Kelce. Allen took off when he got Diggs, a top 5 WR (at least at the time). Look at how erratic Allen is now with merely “good” weapons.” Burrow took a jump when he got Chase (and Higgins would be a 1 on some teams). Purdy has Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle, and McCaffery.
Justin has never had anything that approaches most of this. Not to mention, he’s surely had the worst line of all these quarterbacks. The talent around him is getting better, but it isn’t there yet.
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From the LA Times this week. This seems to dispel the narrative that USC is a WR wasteland.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zG3qTQq0/IMG-5928.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XrSMbQGC)
https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2023-12-15/usc-wide-receiver-depth-lincoln-riley
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FTR, he was with Oklahoma as their WR coach for 7 seasons, and Oklahoma has been putting a lot of receivers in the NfL im pretty sure. So “deepest group ever” should be significant.
(https://i.postimg.cc/0yZb9w64/IMG-5929.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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CeeDee Lamb? Marvin Mims? Marquise Brown? You can also add Mark Andrews.
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Lolololololol
Most in FBS during this period.
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Lolololololol
Most in FBS during this period.
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Just means you'll be a big fan from day one if they draft him!
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Lolololololol
Most in FBS during this period.
(https://i.postimg.cc/G2zhsj9G/IMG-5936.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Stats are the stats. Amirite?
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Stats are the stats. Amirite?
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Where'd the "the stats are the stats" line come from? Must've been a guy who wants to move on from Fields who said it since you're trying to make fun of them for it, right?
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Lolololololol
Most in FBS during this period.
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Damn he sucks too
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Funny. Stats matter. Until they don’t.
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Funny. Stats matter. Until they don’t.
You’re the one that keeps flip flopping on this though…
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I literally said that’s an issue that absolutely needs to be cleaned up and worked on at the next level. Also mentioned when I watched him he held the ball one handed away from his body too much.
Fumbling also a huge problem for the guy you spend all your time defending, but if I mention that it’ll be someone else’s fault obviously. Everything is. If I was 10% as defensive of Caleb Williams as you are of Fields there’d be six quotes about it, half of them made up, in your signature.
As a reminder though the person who said “the stats are the stats” was not me. You said that. You’re mocking me for something YOU said.
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You’re the one that keeps flip flopping on this though…
No, stats tell the story. Until they don’t.
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Have you considered maybe reading what others say and responding to that, instead of … whatever it is you’re trying to do here?
Like literally, one person here has said “the stats are the stats”. It was you. I acknowledged that Caleb Williams seems to have a fumbling issue that he will need to correct. So does Justin Fields, and he has a lot more experience.
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FTR, he was with Oklahoma as their WR coach for 7 seasons, and Oklahoma has been putting a lot of receivers in the NfL im pretty sure. So “deepest group ever” should be significant.
(https://i.postimg.cc/0yZb9w64/IMG-5929.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Justin Fields gets no reprieve from a clear lack of supporting play, but if someone posts stats we don’t like we have to whine about how Caleb Williams didn’t have 1st round receivers. Seems “fair.”
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From the LA Times this week. This seems to dispel the narrative that USC is a WR wasteland.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zG3qTQq0/IMG-5928.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XrSMbQGC)
https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2023-12-15/usc-wide-receiver-depth-lincoln-riley
My bad, meant to quote this one.
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Have literally never whined about Caleb Williams not having first round receivers.
I pointed out that you often handwave criticism of Fields' play by talking about his supporting cast, but their support casts in college (all we have to go on re: Williams to this point) weren't really comparable - and I'm right, they weren't.
You know that though, you're just flailing for SOMETHING that might feel like a win to you on a day when you're stuck defending that bad game Fields just had instead of just acknowledging, yeah he didn't play well today. Which apparently you're constitutionally incapable of, no matter what.
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Guessing this assures that Caleb Williams and quite possibly Lincoln Riley are coming to the NFL…
https://x.com/247sports/status/1735818643663892898?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Have literally never whined about Caleb Williams not having first round receivers.
I pointed out that you often handwave criticism of Fields' play by talking about his supporting cast, but their support casts in college (all we have to go on re: Williams to this point) weren't really comparable - and I'm right, they weren't.
You know that though, you're just flailing for SOMETHING that might feel like a win to you on a day when you're stuck defending that bad game Fields just had instead of just acknowledging, yeah he didn't play well today. Which apparently you're constitutionally incapable of, no matter what.
I just posted an article in which a 20 year receiving coach who’s coached a large handful of NFL players says he has the deepest receiving corps he’s ever had. Sure, not as good as Ohio State, but hardly something to complain about. Caleb Williams had plenty of talent at the WR position.
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Guess this assures Caleb Williams staying at USC… 😂
https://x.com/on3sports/status/1736571979505844333?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Guess this assures Caleb Williams staying at USC… 😂
https://x.com/on3sports/status/1736571979505844333?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Lol
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Cherry picked?
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I watched a little of him last week. Looked shitty then too
So the tape is bad.
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Tempo looking AOTC on this one. Maybe picked up a slump buster last night?
Reposted for context.
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Never really understood all the Caleb Williams hype anyways. Riley’s ability to make his mediocre QBs (and opposing offenses) look 🔥🔥🔥 is HOF caliber.
Hmmm
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Tell ya what Bo Nix has been the best QB I have watched this year
I’m 100% on board with trading down and getting a Nix, Penix, or McCarthy if they are there in the 2nd round (Bears would obviously need to acquire a 2nd rounder in the trade down).
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I’m 100% on board with trading down and getting a Nix, Penix, or McCarthy if they are there in the 2nd round (Bears would obviously need to acquire a 2nd rounder in the trade down).
Same
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Anybody But Fields is fine by me.
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Maybe Tempo should start a poll where people can identify as ABF or FFF
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Maybe Tempo should start a poll where people can identify as ABF or FFF
You’ve said multiples times he’s not actual problem with the Bears.
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I’m not sure that’s how I’d characterize what I have said.
If Caleb Williams had put together a year like he had the year before and was still looking like a generational talent rather than more Lincoln Riley fool’s gold, then you take him in a heartbeat and never look back. That didn’t happen. And the Bears need tons of pieces.
So in my mind it might make more sense to leverage the top pick for more pieces and try to hang onto JFC an inexpensively as possible with the thought that years 4-5–6 JFC may very well be as good or better than years 1-2-3 Caleb Williams. With maybe a higher floor.
I don’t think JFC is going to be a super star at any point in his career but I think with some reasonable improvement he could win a lot of games if he has help.
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I’m not sure that’s how I’d characterize what I have said.
If Caleb Williams had put together a year like he had the year before and was still looking like a generational talent rather than more Lincoln Riley fool’s gold, then you take him in a heartbeat and never look back. That didn’t happen. And the Bears need tons of pieces.
So in my mind it might make more sense to leverage the top pick for more pieces and try to hang onto JFC an inexpensively as possible with the thought that years 4-5–6 JFC may very well be as good or better than years 1-2-3 Caleb Williams. With maybe a higher floor.
I don’t think JFC is going to be a super star at any point in his career but I think with some reasonable improvement he could win a lot of games if he has help.
That’s not at all unlike what I’ve been saying, and I get mocked for it relentlessly. The only difference being I think he can still be a “superstar,” however you want to define that. But he has a relatively high floor. He can certainly do everything Jalen Hurts has done with similar talent around him.
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https://x.com/kanginthenorth/status/1738552719265104029?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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https://x.com/kanginthenorth/status/1738552719265104029?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
No, but he’s played with 1st (Biletnikoff winner), 2nd round, 5 star receivers. Also about 4-5 others who figure to be drafted (a couple as early as 2nd or 3rd round), or are currently on the payroll of an NFL team. He’s had plenty of really good receivers to throw to.
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https://x.com/justinfieldsfc/status/1740777838125724082?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Hahahaha Jesus are you desperate or what? Just sad to watch dude
If some Bears dude had said that when Bagent was starting I would not think it was about Fields for one single second
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Also is that your Twitter account? @justinfieldsfc ? Seems right
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https://x.com/swiftynetwork/status/1740775215058088067?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Justin Fields has more unrequited crushes than Cameron Diaz in There’s Something About Mary.
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Justin Fields has more unrequited crushes than Cameron Diaz in There’s Something About Mary.
I legitimately can’t think of an analogous situation in my sports watching life, other than Weber. The guy goes out and is mediocre damn near every week and every week there’s a new list of excuses for why it, once again, wasn’t actually his fault.
And like I said earlier, it’s extremely clear that Drake Maye or especially Caleb Williams will get zero leeway if they end up with one of them next year. It’s going to be absolutely gross to watch Tempo flip his QB expectations if they move on from Fields.
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The Weber to Fields comp is just so ridiculously bad.
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The Weber to Fields comp is just so ridiculously bad.
It is right on point. Idiots supporting/supported both.
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One guy is a program defining coach with total and unchallenged control over personnel and schemes. The other has no meaningful input when it comes to personnel or scheme. One guy is totally responsible for program environment, the other is just a foot soldier being told to make the best of what he’s been given (which has been very little).
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Again, it’s funny how no shortage of former and current players say that Justin Fields can play, and HQ2 Bros are so cocksure that he can’t.
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Again, it’s funny how no shortage of former and current players say that Justin Fields can play, and HQ2 Bros are so cocksure that he can’t.
We probably watch more games than they do. Plus we were not hit in the head as often.
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One guy is a program defining coach with total and unchallenged control over personnel and schemes. The other has no meaningful input when it comes to personnel or scheme. One guy is totally responsible for program environment, the other is just a foot soldier being told to make the best of what he’s been given (which has been very little).
Both are leaders of cults of personality despite sucking ass. And the followers are crazy losers who are not satisfied until everyone is in the cult.
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I’m not “cocksure that he can’t”, only sure that he has not and that he has a pretty large sample size to this point.
I was fully on board a year ago with trading the top pick because of Fields. He had shown some improvement at the end of the season and I thought he was likely to have a breakout year where he showed quicker decisions, more accurate and consistent passing. But that didn’t happen. He’s not really notably better as a passer than he was a year ago.
He has not been very good this year, and they have the top pick again. It would be a very obvious and easily avoided Bearsy mistake to pass on a QB again in the hope that Fields suddenly gets way better in a new system in year 4 with $100m+ on the line. Could it happen? Sure. Is it likely to happen? Not at all.
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I’m the middle of 20 minutes of Caleb Williams highlights. He’s got a nice feathery touch when he needs it, which some really good QBs don’t even have. Most of his plays are off script or to WRs that have a lot of separation. Good athlete. Reminds me a bit of Tarkenton the way he scrambles around the pocket. Brendan Rice is pretty darn good. Any team that drafts Caleb might be smart to try to get Rice, too. They seem to have great chemistry.
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So far the only thing I think he has on Fields is touch.
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And he can rip it fast when he wants too.
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I’m the middle of 20 minutes of Caleb Williams highlights. He’s got a nice feathery touch when he needs it, which some really good QBs don’t even have. Most of his plays are off script or to WRs that have a lot of separation. Good athlete. Reminds me a bit of Tarkenton the way he scrambles around the pocket. Brendan Rice is pretty darn good. Any team that drafts Caleb might be smart to try to get Rice, too. They seem to have great chemistry.
I genuinely appreciate you at least going and trying to watch him play. It’s not hard to see why he has the reputation he does as a prospect, obviously.
The “every play” highlights of the bad games from this year made me more sure, not less, that he can be really good.
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So far the only thing I think he has on Fields is touch.
He keeps his head up looking to throw the ball first and that’s important. Also Williams can make the easy throws. Doesn’t appear Fields can with anticipation. Hence no slants and such being called.
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So far the only thing I think he has on Fields is touch.
He, in my opinion, is considerably better as a passer in broken play situations than Fields.
Fields is notably better as a runner, like tucking the ball and getting yardage on the ground IMO, but doesn’t keep his eyes up field and find open guys on broken plays like Williams did in the tape I watched of him. I think that’s also where Williams’ trouble will come in the league - whereas a lot of guys I think you need to add to their game in the NFL, Williams will need to be reined in some for sure.
Like I said at the time, I think the comp (in style, not quality) is more in the Rodgers/Mayfield “gunslinger” mold than Fields. Both are great at using their feet to escape pressure, but they have different skill sets from that point on.
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He keeps his head up looking to throw the ball first and that’s important. Also Williams can make the easy throws. Doesn’t appear Fields can with anticipation. Hence no slants and such being called.
I think it’s fair to say those will be way harder for him in the NFL than they are in college. But I went into that tape having only really heard Tempo and Bears Reddit’s “he’s just a smaller Fields” scouting report and I didn’t see that from him really at all. He planted his back foot on the drop and let it rip far more consistently than I expected.
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I think it’s fair to say those will be way harder for him in the NFL than they are in college. But I went into that tape having only really heard Tempo and Bears Reddit’s “he’s just a smaller Fields” scouting report and I didn’t see that from him really at all. He planted his back foot on the drop and let it rip far more consistently than I expected.
Obviously not based on size, but as you stated earlier, Williams comp to a lot of people is Aaron Rodgers. I’ll take that all day please…
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Rodgers is IMO the best quarterback I’ve ever seen play. Obviously would take that, but would be silly to expect any prospect to turn into Aaron Rodgers. That’s why I put Mayfield on there as a somewhat bust (recent play notwithstanding)
If he was that style of QB and was a top-5/8 guy in the league he would have a statue outside Soldier Field though.
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Rodgers is IMO the best quarterback I’ve ever seen play. Obviously would take that, but would be silly to expect any prospect to turn into Aaron Rodgers. That’s why I put Mayfield on there as a somewhat bust (recent play notwithstanding)
If he was that style of QB and was a top-5/8 guy in the league he would have a statue outside Soldier Field though.
Agreed. I see absolutely no one comparing Fields to Rodgers, making the Williams and Fields comparisons inaccurate. Very different players.
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Fields is often compared to Lamar.
If the Bears do draft Williams, I’d definitely be willing to draft Brenden Rice a bit early to pair them up.
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Just pulled up a college comp that had Fields comped to Dak.
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Fields is often compared to Lamar.
If the Bears do draft Williams, I’d definitely be willing to draft Brenden Rice a bit early to pair them up.
I think Fields and Lamar is a much better comparison than Fields and Caleb Williams.