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General Category => The Deuce => Topic started by: Custard on December 02, 2022, 05:55:37 PM
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Sooooo this is happening:
https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394
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Sooooo this is happening:
https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394
Should I get the 'both parties had access to the Twitter' out of the way ?
Lol.
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Sooooo this is happening:
https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394
What do you think is happening here?
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On another front; wing nut version of events: Child porn was being shared openly and nothing was being done about it. Elon Musk put a stop to it simply by banning pedo accounts associated with a few offending hash tags.
Meanwhile, Musk has actually gutted the staff handling child porn.
From what I gather, it's been an ongoing issue. Twitter's outdated automated monitoring software can't distinguish permitted adult material from child porn. Banning accounts tends to be whack- a-mole. So it's hands on and requires staff.
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"You raise up your head and you ask, "Is this where it is?"
And somebody points to you and says, 'It's his'
And you say, 'What's mine?' and somebody else says, 'Well, what is?'
And you say, 'Oh my God, am I here all alone?:
But something is happening and you don't know what it is
Do you, Mr. Jones?"
-- Bob Dylan
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Nothing to see here. Move along.
Just an honest 'mistake'.
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Sooooo this is happening:
https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394
I really don't get how Twitter is thought to be a big deal. How many people are actually on it? It is all circular at this point.
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I really don't get how Twitter is thought to be a big deal. How many people are actually on it? It is all circular at this point.
How about the 1st Amendment ?
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How about the 1st Amendment ?
Has zero to do with Twitter, Facebook, Instastupid, TokTik, or what any other privately held company wants on its platform.
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Has zero to do with Twitter, Facebook, Instastupid, TokTik, or what any other privately held company wants on its platform.
Handled.
(https://i.ibb.co/nzBVpXz/Screenshot-20221202-201812-Samsung-Internet.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gc91mZc)
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I really don't get how Twitter is thought to be a big deal. How many people are actually on it? It is all circular at this point.
Only about 450 million.
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How about the 1st Amendment ?
You have zero understanding of your constitutional rights.
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Sooooo this is happening:
https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394
Whenever somebody starts with "what you are about to read" I know it's going to be terrible. After a few minutes you realize you really don't give a fuck.
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Handled.
(https://i.ibb.co/nzBVpXz/Screenshot-20221202-201812-Samsung-Internet.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gc91mZc)
Like this is Custard's board, they can do whatever they want. 1st Amendment is wholly irrelevant.
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Only about 450 million.
Oh bullshit, unless you are counting all the bots.
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I remember when I really liked Taibbi.
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People didn't like it so they started their own. Good for them.
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I remember when I really liked Taibbi.
Never read him to know what the deal is.
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I remember when I really liked Taibbi.
I think a lot of these types have decided that feeding bs to conservatives is easier than doing actual work.
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How about the 1st Amendment ?
You mean the one that reads "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press ...
The people running Twitter were exercising their first amendment rights. Their critics were exercising theirs. Musk is exercising his. Musk's critics are exercising theirs. It seems as if the process is working.
My bigger concerns are:
1. insurance companies out there engaging in deceptive advertising to sell Medicare advantage. As a subset, deceptive advertising in general.
2. Politicians running for office spreading disinformation under the pretext of free political speech. Rather than censorship, I would limit the time for campaigns.
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MAGA seems to be obsessed with Hunter Biden dick pics.
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I don’t think that’s what this is about whatsoever
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10% for the Big Guy meant 10% for Hunter's dick ?
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I don’t think that’s what this is about whatsoever
Whatever it is about, the 1st Amendment is not it.
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Big guy may have been some Chinese businessman?
Didn't this failed business venture supposedly take place while Biden was out of office?
Did Twitter prevent NY Post from running their story?
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Whatever it is about, the 1st Amendment is not it.
What if the government is involved ?
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What if the government is involved ?
Unless there is a government order forcing them not to publish, still isn't. If there is a request, as happens with lamestream media all the time, it isn't implicated.
Wasn't this about Hunter's laptop? Trump was in office, so how was "the government" involved? The DNC, Biden campaign, and Biden himself (he was out of office), were not "the government."
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I really don't get how Twitter is thought to be a big deal. How many people are actually on it? It is all circular at this point.
I shut my account down 2 weeks ago. Feel a lot cleaner.
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I shut my account down 2 weeks ago. Feel a lot cleaner.
you really showed him!
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Unless there is a government order forcing them not to publish, still isn't. If there is a request, as happens with lamestream media all the time, it isn't implicated.
Wasn't this about Hunter's laptop? Trump was in office, so how was "the government" involved? The DNC, Biden campaign, and Biden himself (he was out of office), were not "the government."
Twitter had weekly meetings with federal law enforcement agencies and Yoel Roth stated "these meetings that there were rumors that a hack-and-leak operation would involve Hunter
Biden. "
The FBI did go to Facebook.
Federal law enforcement agencies suppressed the laptop internally before Oct 2020. The FBI had the laptop since fall of 2019. Yet in Oct 2020 the federal law enforcement agencies are telling Twitter about rumours of a "hack and leak" regarding Hunter Biden.
"Trump was in office, so how was "the government" involved?"
The government ran a Russia hoax disinformation campaign while Trump was in office.
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The government ran a Russia hoax disinformation campaign while Trump was in office.
That is nothing but tired deceptive spin from the Trump / Republican political playbook.
It is also part of the unproven Trump defense; that the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 was a hoax perpetrated by the Clinton campaign. This is the sort of claim criminals often make: They was framed.
You can look it up. Compare Mueller's results with Durham's.
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Twitter had weekly meetings with federal law enforcement agencies and Yoel Roth stated "these meetings that there were rumors that a hack-and-leak operation would involve Hunter
Biden. "
The FBI did go to Facebook.
Federal law enforcement agencies suppressed the laptop internally before Oct 2020. The FBI had the laptop since fall of 2019. Yet in Oct 2020 the federal law enforcement agencies are telling Twitter about rumours of a "hack and leak" regarding Hunter Biden.
"Trump was in office, so how was "the government" involved?"
The government ran a Russia hoax disinformation campaign while Trump was in office.
I still don't see the government ordering anyone not to print anything. That is what the 1st Amendment prevents.
We only know that the government obstructed the government that was investigating the Soviet Trump Alliance (which began because of information provided by the Trump Campaign). You are nonetheless free to believe the Soviets and their agents in the Trump Campaign were only talking about the adoption of Russian kids in Trump Towers. Completely believable.
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I still don't see the government ordering anyone not to print anything. That is what the 1st Amendment prevents.
We only know that the government obstructed the government that was investigating the Soviet Trump Alliance (which began because of information provided by the Trump Campaign). You are nonetheless free to believe the Soviets and their agents in the Trump Campaign were only talking about the adoption of Russian kids in Trump Towers. Completely believable.
Ro Khanna to Vijaya Gadde "but this seems a violation of the 1st Amendment principles".
Gadde was Twitter general counsel.
I assume there is more to come, as well as much the public will never know.
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Ro Khanna to Vijaya Gadde "but this seems a violation of the 1st Amendment principles".
Gadde was Twitter general counsel.
I assume there is more to come, as well as much the public will never know.
One would think a guy who went to Yale would know better, but there are plenty of Ivy League law school grads who seemingly can't litigate their way out of a wet paper bag.
Musk has access to all the records now. He can publish, or have others publish, whatever he wants.
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iirc, Ro Khanna was the only Dem Taibbi could find who thought this involved first amendment issues.
Still, some others seems to be missing the point as well.
For instance, saying free speech is relative; questioning the right to spread disinformation.
The people have the freedom of speech, limited by slander, libel, copyrights, and certain kinds of incitement.
The press have the freedom to publish said speech or not.
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Hunter Biden's real error was not running for Senate and just yelling "Them Republicans are getting desperate, they will lie about anything because they want this seat"
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Hunter Biden's real error was not running for Senate and just yelling "Them Republicans are getting desperate, they will lie about anything because they want this seat"
It looks like he has made 90 mistakes bigger than that.
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It looks like he has made 90 mistakes bigger than that.
I would say one thing.
Other than that, it's dubious he did anything that the Trump Crime Family hasn't done on steroids.
It is still difficult to believe he was stupid enough to drop off that lap top and never bother to retrieve it.
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I would say one thing.
Other than that, it's dubious he did anything that the Trump Crime Family hasn't done on steroids.
It is still difficult to believe he was stupid enough to drop off that lap top and never bother to retrieve it.
So you’ve expressed that you don’t like whataboutism, then resort to whataboutism. Liberal motto: do as I say, not as I do. Typical and would expect nothing less from you.
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It looks like he has made 90 mistakes bigger than that.
I forgot you don't get irony. Autism speaks.
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So you’ve expressed that you don’t like whataboutism, then resort to whataboutism. Liberal motto: do as I say, not as I do. Typical and would expect nothing less from you.
Context is not your strong suit is it? Murph ironically suggested if Hunter ran for office he could use the Trump defense that his opponents were resorting to desperation tactics investigating the lap top.
PAM suggests he made a lot of worse mistakes.
I am saying he made one huge mistake. He basically did the equivalent of a murderer dropping a smoking gun off at a repair shop then never picking it up.
The rest of his alleged mistakes, like supposedly engaging in joint ventures with Chinese business men, while Joe was not in office, sound a lot like the exact same sort of thing the Trumps did while Trump was in office. I am told there was nothing wrong with the latter. Does not look good though.
If you are going to tell me what the Trump family did was okay, but when the Biden family did the same kind of thing, it was a crime, my pointing out that duplicity or double standard is not whataboutism.
When it looks like Trump ripped off a charity, committed bank fraud, and cheated on his taxes, and the defense is what about her emails; that is whataboutism.
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In general, when I refer to whataboutism, I mean the attempt to create a false diversion, raise a red herring, make a mountain out of a mole hill, create a false equivalence, and so on, in order to distract attention.
Pointing out actual hypocrisy or a double standard can be a valid counter argument. If that is whataboutism, I have no objection to that use.
Note that does not justify dishonestly smearing an accuser.
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There are plenty of people who don’t agree with Trumpism and also don’t like what Biden brings to the table, but any time anything is said about Biden the automatic response is “something something Trump”
The dude hasn’t been president in almost 2 full calendar years and we can’t even be objectively critical of the zombie-in-chief without having a full-on referendum on Donald Trump.
The current state of politics in the US is an absolute joke.
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"We dislike Biden so much, we pettily focus on his speaking difficulties, sometimes strange behavior, clear lapses of memory, and other personal flaws. Our aversion to him and his policies makes us underestimate him and the Democrats."
https://www.gingrich360.com/2022/11/30/quit-underestimating-president-biden/
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Context is not your strong suit is it? Murph ironically suggested if Hunter ran for office he could use the Trump defense that his opponents were resorting to desperation tactics investigating the lap top.
Well, the Herschel Walker defense but yet
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There are plenty of people who don’t agree with Trumpism and also don’t like what Biden brings to the table, but any time anything is said about Biden the automatic response is “something something Trump”
The dude hasn’t been president in almost 2 full calendar years and we can’t even be objectively critical of the zombie-in-chief without having a full-on referendum on Donald Trump.
The current state of politics in the US is an absolute joke.
The thing for me is, this Hunter Biden stuff is just a big nothing burger. The kid is so incompetent that it's hard to consider him some sort of puppet master or corrupt overlord. This laptop story is so odd it strains credulity, like "he did what? and some random dude in delaware scraped off the contents of his hard drive what?"
Garden variety stuff, adding up to not much of anything. He's Lester Diamond. Who should probably go to jail but is just a sad story of incompetence combined with excess.
The Trumps however have done things that could cause some real problems that could impact all of us, I mean, sure Eric and Donald Jr seem like bumbling nincompoops, but they have had the means at their disposal to lever that bumbling nicompoopiness into real problems. Hunter Biden wasn't pulling any puppet strings ordering people to storm the capitol. He's just a sad story.
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Summary:
Everything involving the Bidens is simply alleged. Hunter was a just a tax evading drug addict who needed help. Joe had nothing to do with it, which he has said many times. Stop with all of the conspiracy theories and leave the Bidens alone.
Everything involving the Trumps is not only alleged, but also true. Lock em all up.
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Summary:
Everything involving the Bidens is simply alleged. Hunter was a just a tax evading drug addict who needed help. Joe had nothing to do with it, which he has said many times. Stop with all of the conspiracy theories and leave the Bidens alone.
Everything involving the Trumps is not only alleged, but also true. Lock em all up.
There is a grand jury re Hunter. Appears to be about taxes. Won't know for sure until they are done.
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"Some readers may be inclined to dismiss this as merely an indictment of a troubled son. They might ask themselves what conclusions they would draw if this were about, say, Eric Trump. Some readers will also think it isn’t the president’s job to police his adult son. But it is his job to ensure that Hunter and other relatives don’t profit by trading on his position in government.
That would be corruption."
Bret Stephens, the NY Times
This was based on the Big Guy email. Apparently it was a failed business venture that never got off the ground while Biden was neither VP nor running for President.
I would not be stunned to hear Hunter was trading on his father's name. I believe It is relevant to point out that the Trump family blatantly and openly monetized the White House. We were told that was perfectly legal Capitalism; that they were allowed to run their businesses.
What we do know is Hunter failed to pay some of his taxes in a timely manner. When confronted, he admitted it and paid back taxes. In those cases, charges for tax evasion are seldom pursued.
It is also possible he should have registered as a foreign agent. Proving he intentionally evaded FARA laws is another matter.
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Summary:
Everything involving the Bidens is simply alleged. Hunter was a just a tax evading drug addict who needed help. Joe had nothing to do with it, which he has said many times. Stop with all of the conspiracy theories and leave the Bidens alone.
Everything involving the Trumps is not only alleged, but also true. Lock em all up.
😂 Exactly, I was just getting ready to post this after Murph’s post. Like what the fuck?! It’s quite astonishing!
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There are plenty of people who don’t agree with Trumpism and also don’t like what Biden brings to the table, but any time anything is said about Biden the automatic response is “something something Trump”
The dude hasn’t been president in almost 2 full calendar years and we can’t even be objectively critical of the zombie-in-chief without having a full-on referendum on Donald Trump.
The current state of politics in the US is an absolute joke.
If you you’re looking to be “objectively” critical of Slow Joe’s policies and programs, by all means proceed. We even have a thread devoted to that topic. However, I would suggest you avoid posting links to the bs that Elon and others are peddling on the Hunter Biden laptop story.
The Twitter Files are just a preview of what the House assclowns will be doing starting in Jan…if they can manage to elect a Speaker.
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😂 Exactly, I was just getting ready to post this after Murph’s post. Like what the fuck?! It’s quite astonishing!
Was the deal that fell thru the 10% for The Big Guy deal that was made when Joe was VP, with payments delayed until after he left office ?
No harm, no foul.
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Was the deal that fell thru the 10% for The Big Guy deal that was made when Joe was VP, with payments delayed until after he left office ?
No harm, no foul.
Not sure laptops last that long!
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Not sure laptops last that long!
I heard from reliable sources that Hunter's laptop was running Windows ME.
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Was the deal that fell thru the 10% for The Big Guy deal that was made when Joe was VP, with payments delayed until after he left office ?
No harm, no foul.
SinoHawk Holdings LLC. The company was incorporated in Delaware in May 2017. Take all the time you need.
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That's what I want to see!
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Summary:
Everything involving the Bidens is simply alleged. Hunter was a just a tax evading drug addict who needed help. Joe had nothing to do with it, which he has said many times. Stop with all of the conspiracy theories and leave the Bidens alone.
Everything involving the Trumps is not only alleged, but also true. Lock em all up.
Tax evading drug addicts go to jail. Drug addiction may or may not have an illegal component to it, for example if you are an alcoholic, that's not illegal, fentanyl and oxycodone are legal albeit controlled. But tax evasion is illegal. So ok, you go to jail for evading taxes, so what. If I were given the opportunity to send both "Tax Evader Hunter Biden" and "Tax Evader Donald Trump" to jail, sign me up, put em in and throw away the key.
But tax evasion, especially on the Hunter Biden scale, isn't THAT big a deal. Ron DeSantis is Governor of Florida. In his state you will find numerous casinos with slot machines that have jackpots of $1199 with a sign that says "IRS SPECIAL". The patrons will tell you "it's $1199, so it's under $1200 so you don't have to pay taxes!" which is patently not true. It's just that the casino doesn't *report* the win to the IRS - it's organized tax fraud. I pay my gardener in cash, he presumably isn't paying taxes on that money. So what. In theory if you find $20 on the sidewalk, that's income, and taxable.
At Trump's scale, it becomes a lot more sketchy, but really when the finger is pointed at the Trumps, it's based on levels of corruption and self dealing that are really hard to just brush off.
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Oh I see. It’s not whether it’s proven or alleged, it’s the perceived scale of the crimes. But also who it is.
And of course Murph couldn’t go without mentioning the devil incarnate Ron DeSantis…and the perfectly legal slot machines in his state. It’s the responsibility of the people to report their winnings, same as about every other thing that isn’t a W2.
You assume your gardener isn’t paying taxes on the cash you pay him and seem to be completely cool with that, but someone wins $1199 at a casino and doesn’t claim it and it’s organized tax fraud. Okie dokie…like paying landscapers and handymen cash under the table doesn’t go on, all over the country, day in and day out, since forever.
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If you you’re looking to be “objectively” critical of Slow Joe’s policies and programs, by all means proceed. We even have a thread devoted to that topic. However, I would suggest you avoid posting links to the bs that Elon and others are peddling on the Hunter Biden laptop story.
The Twitter Files are just a preview of what the House assclowns will be doing starting in Jan…if they can manage to elect a Speaker.
I don’t think this is about Hunter Biden’s laptop at all. The laptop is just the vehicle.
They’re holding a mirror up to the hypocrites who screamed bloody murder about social media interference during the 2016 election and then turned around and interfered with the 2020 election via social media.
It’s probably a hard pill to swallow.
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I don’t think this is about Hunter Biden’s laptop at all. The laptop is just the vehicle.
They’re holding a mirror up to the hypocrites who screamed bloody murder about social media interference during the 2016 election and then turned around and interfered with the 2020 election via social media.
It’s probably a hard pill to swallow.
"Social media interference" is an interesting turn of a phrase.
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In 2016, the social media did little to nothing to inhibit the flow of Russian bot disinformation. For that they caught a lot of crap. In 2020, they were more careful, including approaching the Hunter lap top with caution.
NY Post pushed it aggressively. Fox and WSJ threw a little cold water on the Big Guy story.
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In 2016, the social media did little to nothing to inhibit the flow of Russian bot disinformation. For that they caught a lot of crap. In 2020, they were more careful, including approaching the Hunter lap top with caution.
NY Post, Moony Times and a few others pushed it aggressively. Fox and WSJ threw a little cold water on the Big Guy story.
I remember reading at the time about the fact that The Twitter was throttling the story.
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"Social media interference" is an interesting turn of a phrase.
In 2016, Russia used Social Media to influence the election. In 2020, Twitter tried to prevent that to some extent. Musk is saying the latter amounted to Twitter interfering in the election. It is absurd on its face.
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I don’t think this is about Hunter Biden’s laptop at all. The laptop is just the vehicle.
They’re holding a mirror up to the hypocrites who screamed bloody murder about social media interference during the 2016 election and then turned around and interfered with the 2020 election via social media.
It’s probably a hard pill to swallow.
Nice, detailed analysis of the nothingburger here.
https://grossman.arcdigital.media/p/another-hyped-hunter-biden-laptop?fbclid=IwAR0klZD_enBfOvgRz0RIwHcsdgL0hQnh0GjwfPjMg0bOQjr2_RBC_Eb6JWI
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Nice, detailed analysis of the nothingburger here.
https://grossman.arcdigital.media/p/another-hyped-hunter-biden-laptop?fbclid=IwAR0klZD_enBfOvgRz0RIwHcsdgL0hQnh0GjwfPjMg0bOQjr2_RBC_Eb6JWI
I found that interesting. If it is correct in its analysis of the info dumped, it certainly undercuts the arguments posited here, and elsewhere.
Not sure I buy the argument though about Biden having someone flag the nude photos sounding more like a concerned parent, but I get the gist that the pictures violated The Twitter ToS.
This, and whatever the shitheads running The Facebook, TikTok, InstaStupid, may have done, appears to be a higher profile version of Custard banning JJ for 30 minutes because he didn't like him making a new Bear thread.
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In 2016, Russia used Social Media to influence the election. In 2020, Twitter tried to prevent that to some extent. Musk is saying the latter amounted to Twitter interfering in the election. It is absurd on its face.
Suppressing news stories relevant to election, just prior to election…supporting the party that Twitter overwhelmingly sided with for years…big nothingburger. Absurd on its face!
Lol ok
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Suppressing news stories relevant to election, just prior to election…supporting the party that Twitter overwhelmingly sided with for years…big nothingburger. Absurd on its face!
Lol ok
You are really giving Twitter a lot more credit than it deserves. They aren't at SBF level of generalized incompetence, but they aren't puppet masters either. I used to ride bikes with some of these guys - some great coders but not exactly a brain trust.
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The FBI had the laptop in Dec 2019.
Everyone with gray matter should know damn well that the world's premier intelligence agency knew the laptop was real.
The FBI went to Twitter, Facebook and Google telling them about a Hunter Biden hack and leak the weeks before the 2020 election.
Oct 20, 51 former Intelligence individuals penned a letter saying everything had the hallmarks of Russian disinfo.
FBI Whistleblowers will say that they were told in Aug 2020 that the laptop was off limits and not to be discussed.
Social media companies, main stream media and 51 former Intelligence employees all got the idea that the laptop was Russian disinfo somehow some way. Gee, I wonder how.
If you want to believe that the FBI, who had the laptop for close to a year by the 2020 election, had no idea that the laptop was authentic it's your perogative.
It's still a free country.
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In 2016, Russia used Social Media to influence the election. In 2020, Twitter tried to prevent that to some extent. Musk is saying the latter amounted to Twitter interfering in the election. It is absurd on its face.
On the surface, I guess I can see how you make that argument but, looking at that article not sure it withstands scrutiny. Was the Twitter biased? Undoubtedly. But that is its right. For better or for worse. Was it gun shy after allowong the Soviets to run amuck in 2016? Probably a little of that too. Not sure it is gun shy after allowing the Commies to throttle the Chinese internal riots by apparently flooding The Twitter with porn.
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Suppressing news stories relevant to election, just prior to election…supporting the party that Twitter overwhelmingly sided with for years…big nothingburger. Absurd on its face!
Lol ok
It is a company. It can do whatever the fuck it wants in this regard. It was Citizen United in action.
If you are going to claim it is a utility, well, get ready to be called a socialist.
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The FBI had the laptop in Dec 2019.
Everyone with gray matter should know damn well that the world's premier intelligence agency knew the laptop was real.
The FBI went to Twitter, Facebook and Google telling them about a Hunter Biden hack and leak the weeks before the 2020 election.
Oct 20, 51 former Intelligence individuals penned a letter saying everything had the hallmarks of Russian disinfo.
FBI Whistleblowers will say that they were told in Aug 2020 that the laptop was off limits and not to be discussed.
Social media companies, main stream media and 51 former Intelligence employees all got the idea that the laptop was Russian disinfo somehow some way. Gee, I wonder how.
If you want to believe that the FBI, who had the laptop for close to a year by the 2020 election, had no idea that the laptop was authentic it's your perogative.
It's still a free country.
Ok. Alum's article claims the FBI etc. went to the social media companies generally warning about possible misinformation campaigns months before the laptop story. Did they later make specific claims about the laptop? I don't know. If so, they were apparently not part of this document dump.
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At the end of the day, the laptop story, and The Twitter throttling the Post story, was out there. Given who is actually on The Twitter (as opposed to The Facebook, TokTik, etc.), did those people really not know about the laptop story?
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Ok. Alum's article claims the FBI etc. went to the social media companies generally warning about possible misinformation campaigns months before the laptop story. Did they later make specific claims about the laptop? I don't know. If so, they were apparently not part of this document dump.
The FBI meetings with Twitter etc were in the weeks before the NYP column, and court documents mention being told of a hack and leak and Hunter Biden.
The FBI had the laptop in Dec 2019.
Did surveillance of Giuliani's emails let the FBI know about when the laptop story would be released ?
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The FBI had the laptop in Dec 2019.
Everyone with gray matter should know damn well that the world's premier intelligence agency knew the laptop was real.
The FBI went to Twitter, Facebook and Google telling them about a Hunter Biden hack and leak the weeks before the 2020 election.
Oct 20, 51 former Intelligence individuals penned a letter saying everything had the hallmarks of Russian disinfo.
FBI Whistleblowers will say that they were told in Aug 2020 that the laptop was off limits and not to be discussed.
Social media companies, main stream media and 51 former Intelligence employees all got the idea that the laptop was Russian disinfo somehow some way. Gee, I wonder how.
If you want to believe that the FBI, who had the laptop for close to a year by the 2020 election, had no idea that the laptop was authentic it's your perogative.
It's still a free country.
remind me where you live i need to open a tin foil hat company
"The laptop was real!"
I am typing on a real laptop right now. Call the cops.
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Suppressing news stories relevant to election, just prior to election…supporting the party that Twitter overwhelmingly sided with for years…big nothingburger. Absurd on its face!
Lol ok
So .. this story was published ... in the NEW YORK POST. That's a pretty big outlet.
What the hell did we do back in oh say, 2004. Stories were printed in the New York Post but they were suppressed because the secret elite cabal kept it from being shared on Twitter, which didn't exist!
And if everyone who is on Twitter is an elite liberal scumbag who doesn't believe in the REAL LAPTOP or doesn't care, then exactly what did this SUPPRESSION cause, given that all of the people on Twitter are biased and would just ignore the story they were seeing in their twitter feeds?
What's really great about this is when you see Jordan Klepper ask these people about it at the rallies and they say "This was suppressed by Twitter" and he says "What's your twitter handle, I want to follow you" and they say "I don't have a Twitter account"
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The FBI meetings with Twitter etc were in the weeks before the NYP column, and court documents mention being told of a hack and leak and Hunter Biden.
The FBI had the laptop in Dec 2019.
Did surveillance of Giuliani's emails let the FBI know about when the laptop story would be released ?
What court documents? Is that in the Twitter docs? It sounds like the Feds made the rounds to all the Silicone Valley entities to warn them generally.
I don't know what info the FBI had. I suppose they had info that Trump Campaign members were meeting with Soviets and non-Soviets in The Ukraine. That was public knowledge at the time it was happening.
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Nice, detailed analysis of the nothingburger here.
https://grossman.arcdigital.media/p/another-hyped-hunter-biden-laptop?fbclid=IwAR0klZD_enBfOvgRz0RIwHcsdgL0hQnh0GjwfPjMg0bOQjr2_RBC_Eb6JWI
"Suspecting that the “Hunter Biden laptop” may have contained hacked material was reasonable in October 2020 when the story broke, and still is."
Hogwash.
It's my understanding that the Hunter pics were relayed to Twitter by "the Biden team", not the Biden campaign.
It's possible that the Biden team was Hunter's lawyers.
There is no reference to government "ordering", so it didn't happen. That's rich. Of course they weren't "ordered" in black and white.
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Suppressing news stories relevant to election, just prior to election…supporting the party that Twitter overwhelmingly sided with for years…big nothingburger. Absurd on its face!
Lol ok
Suppressing news stories relevant to election = trying to sort out if the Post story contained hacked materials or violated an established company policy. If you want to disagree with management’s decision at the time, that’s fine. There’s a new sheriff in town. But it is not a political scandal or outrage of any sorts.
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"Suspecting that the “Hunter Biden laptop” may have contained hacked material was reasonable in October 2020 when the story broke, and still is."
Hogwash.
It's my understanding that the Hunter pics were relayed to Twitter by "the Biden team", not the Biden campaign.
It's possible that the Biden team was Hunter's lawyers.
There is no reference to government "ordering", so it didn't happen. That's rich. Of course they weren't "ordered" in black and white.
Good luck with that.
If only the guy who was shopping the laptop story had made the hard drive available to reporters in the first place, we could have put this long, onerous national nightmare behind us.
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What court documents? Is that in the Twitter docs? It sounds like the Feds made the rounds to all the Silicone Valley entities to warn them generally.
I don't know what info the FBI had. I suppose they had info that Trump Campaign members were meeting with Soviets and non-Soviets in The Ukraine. That was public knowledge at the time it was happening.
The La-Mo AG suit alleging the Biden administration with colluding to censor. The one where Psaki is fighting her deposition because she's just too busy. Lol.
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"Suspecting that the “Hunter Biden laptop” may have contained hacked material was reasonable in October 2020 when the story broke, and still is."
Hogwash.
It's my understanding that the Hunter pics were relayed to Twitter by "the Biden team", not the Biden campaign.
It's possible that the Biden team was Hunter's lawyers.
There is no reference to government "ordering", so it didn't happen. That's rich. Of course they weren't "ordered" in black and white.
How is the Biden team different from the Biden campaign? Hunter's lawyers would make far more sense.
If they would have "ordered" them, I would think even The Twitter's lawyers would know the order was illegal under the First Amendment What was "the government" going to do if they didn't stop it? Seek an injunction that everyone knows would fail? C'mon....
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Good luck with that.
If only the guy who was shopping the laptop story in the first place had made the hard drive available to reporters, we could put this long, onerous national nightmare behind us.
The repair shop owner contacted the FBI, not news outlets, about the laptop. The FBI buried it.
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The La-Mo AG suit alleging the Biden administration with colluding to censor. The one where Psaki is fighting her deposition because she's just too busy. Lol.
Why do I have the feeling you are going to be let down once again by another one of these GOP lawsuits?
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The repair shop owner contacted the FBI, not news outlets, about the laptop. The FBI buried it.
I'm talking about Rudy.
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How is the Biden team different from the Biden campaign? Hunter's lawyers would make far more sense.
If they would have "ordered" them, I would think even The Twitter's lawyers would know the order was illegal under the First Amendment What was "the government" going to do if they didn't stop it? Seek an injunction that everyone knows would fail? C'mon....
The communication from 'the Biden team' lists 5 or so Twitter accts. It doesn't mention what those accts posted. I've read that those were referencing the pics. People equating team to campaign may be making an assumption with no basis.
I would think that nobody is going to put an order in black and white over anything like this. If I, as an FBI employee, say to you that I have information that a hack and leak re Hunter Biden may occur and to treat it as such, do you need an order in black and white ?
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Why do I have the feeling you are going to be let down once again by another one of these GOP lawsuits?
I'm fully aware that may very well happen. Just like McConnell, McCarthy and McFailure won't do anything in the new Congress.
Doesn't mean that I should ignore it.
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The communication from 'the Biden team' lists 5 or so Twitter accts. It doesn't mention what those accts posted. I've read that those were referencing the pics. People equating team to campaign may be making an assumption with no basis.
I would think that nobody is going to put an order in black and white over anything like this. If I, as an FBI employee, say to you that I have information that a hack and leak re Hunter Biden may occur and to treat it as such, do you need an order in black and white ?
I would think they would think they were full of crap, personally.
Besides the tech companies, did they say this to media companies like NYPost, NYT, CBS, NBC, ABC, etc.?
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I'm fully aware that may very well happen. Just like McConnell, McCarthy and McFailure won't do anything in the new Congress.
Doesn't mean that I should ignore it.
At some point you might, I'm sorry to say, consider you are being played by politicians following the Trump Sue First playbook.
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I would think they would think they were full of crap, personally.
Besides the tech companies, did they say this to media companies like NYPost, NYT, CBS, NBC, ABC, etc.?
You mean like an FBI leak ? Oh, no. Not a chance. Lol.
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You mean like an FBI leak ? Oh, no. Not a chance. Lol.
No, did the FBI go to actual media companies running interference for the Biden campaign like they did the tech companies?
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No, did the FBI go to actual media companies running interference for the Biden campaign like they did the tech companies?
I haven't seen it mentioned.
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I haven't seen it mentioned.
Why would they go to the tech companies to run interference but not the actual media companies?
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Suppressing news stories relevant to election, just prior to election…supporting the party that Twitter overwhelmingly sided with for years…big nothingburger. Absurd on its face!
Lol ok
Fox News and WSJ passed on the story because they couldn't verify it. Just as I suspected, the bulk of the content remains unauthenticated to this day.
Guilliani and Tony Bobulinski had been peddling some of it before the lap top surfaced.
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Why would they go to the tech companies to run interference but not the actual media companies?
Maybe they did go to media, and that's why nobody would touch it. Don't know.
But the media companies aren't going to release internal communications for the hell of it like the new owner of Twitter is doing.
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Maybe they did go to media, and that's why nobody would touch it. Don't know.
But the media companies aren't going to release internal communications for the hell of it like the new owner of Twitter is doing.
Wouldn't Fox News, NYPost, Washington Examiner be all over it if it happened? Seems really odd.
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Wouldn't Fox News, NYPost, Washington Examiner be all over it if it happened? Seems really odd.
Maybe this was the proof Tucker Carlson had that mysteriously vanished?
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Wouldn't Fox News, NYPost, Washington Examiner be all over it if it happened? Seems really odd.
The NYPost did write about it, and was promptly quieted by Twitter. Maybe Fox and WashEx didn't want the same to happen to them.
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The NYPost did write about it, and was promptly quieted by Twitter. Maybe Fox and WashEx didn't want the same to happen to them.
I'm talking about if the Feds were running interference for the Biden campaign. Seems odd that the Feds would do that at the tech companies, but not the actual media companies. If they actually ran interference at the media companies, you think someone would have reported that at the time.
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Maybe this was the proof Tucker Carlson had that mysteriously vanished?
I am sure he would be all over it if the Feds were running interference for the Biden Campaign with Media companies.
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This is interesting;
'The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Fox News, and other media outlets passed on the story, because they investigated and couldn’t verify it.'
"Multiple New York Post reporters turned it down too, for the same reason. The Post eventually ran it under the bylines of Gabrielle Fonrouge and Emma-Jo Morris. Fonrouge, a Post reporter since 2014, had little to do with the story and learned her name was on it only after it was published. Morris, who previously worked as an associate producer for Sean Hannity at Fox, was the Post’s deputy politics editor and it was her first byline. She wrote eleven New York Post stories, all but one of which are about Hunter Biden, and is now politics editor at Breitbart."
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I'm talking about if the Feds were running interference for the Biden campaign. Seems odd that the Feds would do that at the tech companies, but not the actual media companies. If they actually ran interference at the media companies, you think someone would have reported that at the time.
If the FBI had access to Giuliani's emails, they can try to determine their most effective interference plan. Maybe they knew he was having trouble getting WaPo or whoever to go with the story.
Nonetheless, what media company did or didn't cover the laptop story isn't the issue.
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The NYPost did write about it, and was promptly quieted by Twitter. Maybe Fox and WashEx didn't want the same to happen to them.
Or maybe Fox and WashEx passed because the whole thing looked like a ratfuck.
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If the FBI had access to Giuliani's emails, they can try to determine their most effective interference plan. Maybe they knew he was having trouble getting WaPo or whoever to go with the story.
That seems like even more of a stretch, Mn. Based on what you are saying, if Guiliani's emails showed the NY Post was proceeding, wouldn't they then go muscle the NY Post?
I hear what you are saying, but it just seems to fall apart as there is nothing indicating that they went to the people who would be the ones actually reporting the story they are allegedly trying to squash.
Wouldn't more people actually see the article mentioned on The Drudge Report? Maybe I'm projecting, as that is where I saw it linked at the time.
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Or maybe Fox and WashEx passed because the whole thing looked like a ratfuck.
It is a ratfuck, and that's why it had to be labeled as Russian disinfo.
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Or maybe Fox and WashEx passed because the whole thing looked like a ratfuck.
The notion that Fox was scared off a Biden story because of the Feds is tough to believe. Or that Fox was scared off because Twitter would ban it when the Post is a Murdoch paper.
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That seems like even more of a stretch, Mn. Based on what you are saying, if Guiliani's emails showed the NY Post was proceeding, wouldn't they then go muscle the NY Post?
I hear what you are saying, but it just seems to fall apart as there is nothing indicating that they went to the people who would be the ones actually reporting the story they are allegedly trying to squash.
Wouldn't more people actually see the article mentioned on The Drudge Report? Maybe I'm projecting, as that is where I saw it linked at the time.
What happened is more important than why didn't this happen instead.
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The notion that Fox was scared off a Biden story because of the Feds is tough to believe. Or that Fox was scared off because Twitter would ban it when the Post is a Murdoch paper.
This is quite a conundrum. I think Garland should hire John Durham to investigate.
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What happened is more important than why didn't this happen instead.
Well, there seems to be an issue of what actually happened. That the Feds were running interference to kill THIS story by going only to the tech companies does not make much sense. The Feds would need to go to the media companies that would be the ones actually reporting the story. If that had occured, that would have gotten out and been reported on as well given that Trump's battles with the FBI was virtually a daily story.
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Well, there seems to be an issue of what actually happened. That the Feds were running interference to kill THIS story by going only to the tech companies does not make much sense. The Feds would need to go to the media companies that would be the ones actually reporting the story. If that had occured, that would have gotten out and been reported on as well given that Trump's battles with the FBI was virtually a daily story.
All I know is that Twitter's Head of Site Integrity said they were warned of hack and leak possibilities and that one would probably occur in Oct 2020 and that there were rumours that a hack and leak may involve Hunter Biden.
That's my story.
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All I know is that Twitter's Head of Site Integrity said they were warned of hack and leak possibilities and that one would probably occur in Oct 2020 and that there were rumours that a hack and leak may involve Hunter Biden.
That's my story.
Is there a document that lays this out?
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Is there a document that lays this out?
From his document before the FEC, obtained as a result of a lawsuit.
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This is interesting;
'The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Fox News, and other media outlets passed on the story, because they investigated and couldn’t verify it.'
"Multiple New York Post reporters turned it down too, for the same reason. The Post eventually ran it under the bylines of Gabrielle Fonrouge and Emma-Jo Morris. Fonrouge, a Post reporter since 2014, had little to do with the story and learned her name was on it only after it was published. Morris, who previously worked as an associate producer for Sean Hannity at Fox, was the Post’s deputy politics editor and it was her first byline. She wrote eleven New York Post stories, all but one of which are about Hunter Biden, and is now politics editor at Breitbart."
What's interesting is that they are slowly finding out that nobody really gives a shit about that laptop
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From his document before the FEC, obtained as a result of a lawsuit.
(https://i.ibb.co/SXDJGHG/Screenshot-20221204-210958.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8DnXtGt)
Ok that is at least something. But that is not sounding like an order, implied or otherwise.
I read this: https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/12/03/elon-musk-exposes-inside-story-twitters-crackdown-hunter-biden-laptop-2020-election/
The claims about the election seem far fetched given who is on The Twitter.
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This is sounding more and more that they were trying to fit a round peg in a square hole of their ToS given the unusual facts here.
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Ok that is at least something. But that is not sounding like an order, implied or otherwise.
I read this: https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/12/03/elon-musk-exposes-inside-story-twitters-crackdown-hunter-biden-laptop-2020-election/
The claims about the election seem far fetched given who is on The Twitter.
Tl/dr, but I've probably seen most of it anyway.
There is plenty that nobody has seen. There may or may not be evidence of governmental interference.
Nonetheless, the FBI had the laptop for close to a year and when they found out the story was coming out 3 weeks before a Presidential election, they referred to it as hacked material.
In reaching the decision on how to handle it, Twitter relied on what they had been told. Within hours, the 'hacked' material determination was being questioned internally.
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Tl/dr, but I've probably seen most of it anyway.
There is plenty that nobody has seen. There may or may not be evidence of governmental interference.
Nonetheless, the FBI had the laptop for close to a year and when they found out the story was coming out 3 weeks before a Presidential election, they referred to it as hacked material.
In reaching the decision on how to handle it, Twitter relied on what they had been told. Within hours, the 'hacked' material determination was being questioned internally.
Paragraph 11 reads they had been meeting with the feds "weekly" and there were discussions throughout 2020. Also lays out that it was expected that in October something would happen (makes sense with a November election). But it does not specify which candidate. It also does not say when he heard the rumors about a Biden hack and leak. Hard to tell if everything in that paragraph just relates to Biden or if there were rumors about other candidate family members being hacked as well. Would be interesting to know if the discussions were broader, and if others were mentioned, or if it was all just Biden related.
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All I know is that this crew may have some goofballs but not a single person here that I know of has gotten on the Bitcoin train, so there's that.
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Summary:
Everything involving the Bidens is simply alleged. Hunter was a just a tax evading drug addict who needed help. Joe had nothing to do with it, which he has said many times. Stop with all of the conspiracy theories and leave the Bidens alone.
Everything involving the Trumps is not only alleged, but also true. Lock em all up.
Probably not that far from accurate.
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All this freaking out over Hunter Biden, who probably has a net worth of about $1 million, meanwhile, Jared Kushner gets $2 billion from Saudi Arabia and Ivanka got God knows what from China. Pretty comical.
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bUt wHut aBOuT HUntEr’s LAptOP?!
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bUt wHut aBOuT HUntEr’s LAptOP?!
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Is she investigating it on her own like Quincy, M.E., Jim Rockford, Cannon, or Barnaby Jones would? What's this supposed to mean?
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What's interesting is that they are slowly finding out that nobody really gives a shit about that laptop
That too. Also that the bulk of the data still has not been verified.
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Is she investigating it on her own like Quincy, M.E., Jim Rockford, Cannon, or Barnaby Jones would? What's this supposed to mean?
Tell me you’re 57 without telling me you’re 57.
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Tl/dr, but I've probably seen most of it anyway.
There is plenty that nobody has seen. There may or may not be evidence of governmental interference.
Nonetheless, the FBI had the laptop for close to a year and when they found out the story was coming out 3 weeks before a Presidential election, they referred to it as hacked material.
In reaching the decision on how to handle it, Twitter relied on what they had been told. Within hours, the 'hacked' material determination was being questioned internally.
Let's see what happens now that the lawyer vetting the Twitter documents was terminated, it sounds like, for vetting them. Still not buying Twitter swung the election given its minimal use in the mainstream, but people need shit to whine about when their guy loses like Hillary et al. blaming Comey.
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Let's see what happens now that the lawyer vetting the Twitter documents was terminated, it sounds like, for vetting them. Still not buying Twitter swung the election given its minimal use in the mainstream, but people need shit to whine about when their guy loses like Hillary et al. blaming Comey.
The guy doing the vetting was involved in the Carter Page FISA, witholding evidence from Durham re Sussman and the Twitter suppression of the laptop story.
He resigned from the FBI over a leak investigation.
The laptop suppression also involved Facebook and the Google.
1/2 the country uses social media for news.
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The guy doing the vetting was involved in the Carter Page FISA, witholding evidence from Durham re Sussman and the Twitter suppression of the laptop story.
He resigned from the FBI over a leak investigation.
The laptop suppression also involved Facebook and the Google.
1/2 the country uses social media for news.
Let's explore this a little more closely:
https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/2021/09/20/news-consumption-across-social-media-in-2021/
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Let's explore this a little more closely:
https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/2021/09/20/news-consumption-across-social-media-in-2021/
Other than 48%, what does it say ?
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Other than 48%, what does it say ?
It provides more detail, that's all. You don't have to read it.
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Let's explore this a little more closely:
https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/2021/09/20/news-consumption-across-social-media-in-2021/
Like I said, Twitter is irrelevant to who won the election.
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Lots of people have turned to Twitter specifically to get their news over the past 10-12 years. It’s nonsense to say it’s irrelevant to the election when in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 20xx? Russian bots on Facebook swing the election.
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Lots of people have turned to Twitter specifically to get their news over the past 10-12 years. It’s nonsense to say it’s irrelevant to the election when in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 20xx? Russian bots on Facebook swing the election.
The number of people on the Twitter is not that significant
Plus, I am guessing they are mostly urban/suburban people
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Lots of people have turned to Twitter specifically to get their news over the past 10-12 years. It’s nonsense to say it’s irrelevant to the election when in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 20xx? Russian bots on Facebook swing the election.
#electioninterferencedeniers
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#electioninterferencedeniers
How many persuadable people do you think are on there? It is all people like Tempo and Murph.
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Lots of people have turned to Twitter specifically to get their news over the past 10-12 years. It’s nonsense to say it’s irrelevant to the election when in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 20xx? Russian bots on Facebook swing the election.
I thought Comey swung the 2016 election....
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The number of people on the Twitter is not that significant
The FBI was going to the Twitter, the Facebook and The Google. That's a lot of people.
Plus the Pew article indicates that all of the shown social media sites have more Democrats than Republicans,
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Plus the Pew article indicates that all of the shown social media sites have more Democrats than Republicans,
Which completely undercuts whatever Custard and you think this all proves re the election.
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The FBI was going to the Twitter, the Facebook and The Google. That's a lot of people.
Define "a lot." I'll take it is not that many in the grand scheme of things and even less of those who are "undecided."
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Which completely undercuts whatever Custard and you think this all proves re the election.
Polls, not worth anything anymore, show 10%+ wouldn't have voted for Biden if they had known more about the laptop. Republicans weren't going to vote for Biden over Trump if they had known more.
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Polls, not worth anything anymore, show 10%+ wouldn't have voted for Biden if they had known more about the laptop. Republicans weren't going to vote for Biden over Trump if they had known more.
What poll? Is it 10% of the 12% of the 25% of adults (there is zero way that 1 in 4 adults are on The Twitter) who are purportedly on The Twitter who allegedly get their news there?
The story was out there. Millions read Drudge and other right wing centric websites where the story was mentioned.
Grasping at straws
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What poll? Is it 10% of the 12% of the 25% of adults (there is zero way that 1 in 4 adults are on The Twitter) who are purportedly on The Twitter who allegedly get their news there?
The story was out there. Millions read Drudge and other right wing centric websites where the story was mentioned.
Grasping at straws
If it was so inconsequential, why was the FBI suppressing it ?
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If it was so inconsequential, why was the FBI suppressing it ?
Haven't seen anything saying that the FBI suppressed it.
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If it was so inconsequential, why was the FBI suppressing it ?
The Twitter is what is inconsequential.
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Haven't seen anything saying that the FBI suppressed it.
Do you get all of your news from the Facebook and the Dorsey Twitter ?
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The FBI was going to the Twitter, the Facebook and The Google. That's a lot of people.
Plus the Pew article indicates that all of the shown social media sites have more Democrats than Republicans,
My impression is the FBI was also briefing Fox News, National Review, Wall Street Journal, AP, CBS, ABC, NBC, WaPo, NYT, and so on about the potential for a repeat of 2016. It is widely reported that the Hunter Biden story peddled by Guilliani did not even meet the journalistic standards of Fox. So the Trump's team effort to sway the election with unverified material from copies of a hard drive that surfaced in October before the election failed, so the right is pixxed and blames left leaning social media. Even though NY post, Drudge, and other right wing media aired the story.
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Do you get all of your news from the Facebook and the Dorsey Twitter ?
Only illinihq2.com.
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My impression is the FBI was also briefing Fox News, National Review, Wall Street Journal, AP, CBS, ABC, NBC, WaPo, NYT, and so on about the potential for a repeat of 2016. It is widely reported that the Hunter Biden story peddled by Guilliani did not even meet the journalistic standards of Fox. So the Trump's team effort to sway the election with unverified material from copies of a hard drive that surfaced in October before the election failed, so the right is pixxed and blames left leaning social media. Even though NY post, Drudge, and other right wing media aired the story.
The only thing that apparently matters these days is The Twitter and The Twitter only.
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If it was so inconsequential, why was the FBI suppressing it ?
They did not specifically suppress a damned thing. The warned the media in general about the potential for release of hacked (and faked?) materials.
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They did not specifically suppress a damned thing. The warned the media in general about the potential for release of hacked (and faked?) materials.
10% of the Twitter Soviet and Chinese bots would have voted for Trump though. That is about 9/10ths of all The Twitter's users per that Musk guy.
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Do you get all of your news from the Facebook and the Dorsey Twitter ?
I get mine from the UPS driver.
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I get mine from the UPS driver.
Was s/he wearing shorts?
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Americans should be asking what does Hunter's laptop do for me?
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I'm not going to say there is not a story there maybe. I'm saying that The Twitter suppressing it caused Trump to lose is the 2020 version of Comey caused Hillary to lose in 2016.
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They did not specifically suppress a damned thing. The warned the media in general about the potential for release of hacked (and faked?) materials.
About information on a laptop that the world's premier intelligence agency had in it's hands for months and months.
They looked at it, or they didn't. They didn't make a point of getting it to not look at it.
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About information on a laptop that the world's premier intelligence agency had in it's hands for months and months.
They looked at it, or they didn't. They didn't make a point of getting it to not look at it.
That is not what the paragraph from The Twitter Guy you rely upon remotely says.
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Americans should be asking what does Hunter's laptop do for me?
Distracts attention from Moore v. Harper.
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About information on a laptop that the world's premier intelligence agency had in it's hands for months and months.
They looked at it, or they didn't. They didn't make a point of getting it to not look at it.
My impression is repair shop gave the lap top to the FBI. He kept some copies of the hard drive. He gave one of the copies to Trump's lawyer Rudy Guiliani. Rudy peddled it to the press. NY Post was the only mainstream media that bit and actually only one writer at that.
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That is not what the paragraph from The Twitter Guy you rely upon remotely says.
Tell me you haven't seen anything about the FBI burying the laptop in the summer of 2020 without telling me you haven't seen anything about the FBI burying the laptop in the summer of 2020.
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My impression is repair shop gave the lap top to the FBI. He kept some copies of the hard drive. He gave one of the copies to Trump's lawyer Rudy Guiliani. Rudy peddled it to the press. NY Post was the only mainstream media that bit and actually only one writer at that.
Rudy peddled it to the same organizations who wrote about Russiagate and the impeachment incessantly ?
I can't imagine why they wouldn't want the story. Lol.
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Rudy peddled it to the same organizations who wrote about Russiagate and the impeachment incessantly ?
I can't imagine why they wouldn't want the story. Lol.
Like Fox and WSJ? Or that failing paper that published the Clinton Cash story? Lol?
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My impression is repair shop gave the lap top to the FBI. He kept some copies of the hard drive. He gave one of the copies to Trump's lawyer Rudy Guiliani. Rudy peddled it to the press. NY Post was the only mainstream media that bit and actually only one writer at that.
He didn't exactly "give" the laptop to the FBI. 2 agents showed up at his door asking for the laptop. He also says one agent gave him a veiled threat to keep quiet.
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Like Fox and WSJ? Or that failing paper that published the Clinton Cash story? Lol?
Exactly
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Tell me you haven't seen anything about the FBI burying the laptop in the summer of 2020 without telling me you haven't seen anything about the FBI burying the laptop in the summer of 2020.
Not without more.
Nonetheless, the story was published and circulated, but just not on The Twitter, which may be the sole news source for 10,000 people. 5 of which may be "undecideds."
So far this is pretty weak. Let's see more.
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Not without more.
Nonetheless, the story was published and circulated, but just not on The Twitter, which may be the sole news source for 10,000 people. 5 of which may be "undecideds."
So far this is pretty weak. Let's see more.
JFC. Gmafb, will ya ? ;D
To go on top of Yoel Roth's statement about the Twitter etc, this was just released yesterday. 386 pages and I'm only halfway thru Fauci's 446 page deposition from last week.
(https://i.ibb.co/N9Y67QL/Screenshot-20221207-093305.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tqCM3kb)
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Let's see what happens now that the lawyer vetting the Twitter documents was terminated, it sounds like, for vetting them. Still not buying Twitter swung the election given its minimal use in the mainstream, but people need shit to whine about when their guy loses like Hillary et al. blaming Comey.
I do feel like most of Hillary’s problems were self-inflicted, but this one was not, and it was highly inappropriate for the FBI to do what they did only days before the election. This might be the one excuse I think holds some weight.
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I do feel like most of Hillary’s problems were self-inflicted, but this one was not, and it was highly inappropriate for the FBI to do what they did only days before the election. This might be the one excuse I think holds some weight.
Based on what? Knowing what we know now, does not seem like it.
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JFC. Gmafb, will ya ? ;D
To go on top of Yoel Roth's statement about the Twitter etc, this was just released yesterday. 386 pages and I'm only halfway thru Fauci's 446 page deposition from last week.
(https://i.ibb.co/N9Y67QL/Screenshot-20221207-093305.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tqCM3kb)
Ok. Still looking for more. No one else has claimed that the FBI mentioned the laptop specifically.
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JFC. Gmafb, will ya ? ;D
To go on top of Yoel Roth's statement about the Twitter etc, this was just released yesterday. 386 pages and I'm only halfway thru Fauci's 446 page deposition from last week.
(https://i.ibb.co/N9Y67QL/Screenshot-20221207-093305.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tqCM3kb)
Lol I love that Mn is getting to the bottom of this Hunter Biden laptop thing.
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Lol I love that Mn is getting to the bottom of this Hunter Biden laptop thing.
Mn's comments have long led me to believe he's a bottom
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Mn's comments have long led me to believe he's a bottom
Wow. Truce is over, I see....
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If you ever wondered what MN looks like, he's now internet famous, interviewed by Klepper at 1:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDcIludbsUw&t=1188s
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Mr. 1st Amendment Asshole can fuck off.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/musk-threatens-sue-twitter-employees-161222628.html
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Ugh hate to interrupt the anti-Musk masturbation but pretty much any company that has employees sign NDAs is going to expect them to honor it. Particularly with detailed sensitive information. Data and information security is enormously important, especially at a tech company.
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Elon has an army of fanboys.
He has a much better chance of beating Trump than DeSantis.
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Elon has an army of fanboys.
He has a much better chance of beating Trump than DeSantis.
Incorrect by construction, Musk was born in South Africa. Or are you talking a fist fight?
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Incorrect by construction, Musk was born in South Africa. Or are you talking a fist fight?
Forgot about that. I guess Elon has to hope Trump modifies the Constitution someday.
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Ugh hate to interrupt the anti-Musk masturbation but pretty much any company that has employees sign NDAs is going to expect them to honor it. Particularly with detailed sensitive information. Data and information security is enormously important, especially at a tech company.
True, but that does not appear to be what he is worried about.
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It is all allegedly about "freedom of speech" until it isn't.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/twitter-account-tracks-elon-musks-110613238.html
The Twitter account that tracks Elon Musk's private jet has been shadowbanned, its owner says
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Incorrect by construction, Musk was born in South Africa. Or are you talking a fist fight?
Didn't slow down that Kenyan that was in office for 8 years. ;D
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Didn't slow down that Kenyan that was in office for 8 years. ;D
LOL. Great point.
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https://www.semafor.com/article/12/11/2022/white-house-twitter-musk-indifferent
Chuckled reading this article.
The administration does not consider Twitter a vital part of any political strategy that reaches beyond the chattering classes. One former White House official told Semafor the platform is an “afterthought” in communications and press meetings, which tend to focus first on television and traditional media and on Facebook, a declining service that still reaches a mass audience.
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For whatever it is worth, about how private social media companies should do "free speech" if that is what they want to do:
https://www.persuasion.community/p/the-twitter-files-show-its-time-to?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=61579&post_id=90100626&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
"First, it means giving up the quest for a free speech utopia and embracing viewpoint neutrality. There is no way to create any meaningful free speech environment that allows for actual debate while protecting participants from hurtful ideas or painful speech. Executives at Twitter or Meta are no better than college administrators at crafting the perfect speech code. The brightest minds have already made that effort, and even the brightest minds have failed.
"Second, it means moderating on the basis of traditional speech limits. Even institutions that embrace viewpoint neutrality will place limits on speech. They’ll have to. If there is one thing we know from decades of experience with the internet is that completely unmoderated spaces can and do become open sewers that are often unsafe for children and deeply unpleasant for adults. Unmoderated spaces can become so grotesque that they’re simply not commercially viable.
"“Viewpoint neutral” is thus not a synonym for “unmoderated.” Consistent with viewpoint neutrality, a platform can impose restrictions that echo offline speech limitations. Defamation isn’t protected speech. Neither is obscenity. Harassment is unlawful. Invasions of privacy (doxxing, for example) should face sanctions. Threats and incitement violate criminal law. A platform can say, “Children are present. No nudity.”
"It is easy to imagine different rules that make it easier to talk about issues and harder to target individuals. Examples of viewpoint-neutral time, place, and manner regulations that could prevent, for example, some of the worst conduct on Twitter could include limiting or eradicating the quote-tweet function, limiting the visibility of replies to other users’ tweets, or limiting the ability of users to reply or interact with tweets of people they don’t follow.
"Third, it means embracing clarity and transparency. Make rules clear. Create an appeals process when users are penalized. No human institution is ever going to apply its rules perfectly, and accountability is necessary. Secrecy in decision-making can impair trust every bit as thoroughly as flaws in the substance of the decisions made."
This was certainly interesting:
"Indeed, one of the interesting lessons of the last few years is that social media censorship is both divisive and ineffective. It often backfires. In a free society, attempts to censor speech often create a demand for that speech. Twitter censoring the Hunter Biden story, for example, didn’t squelch its reach. Internet searches for Hunter Biden skyrocketed after Twitter took action.
"The idea that censoring speech can have the opposite effect is so well-known that it has a term—the Streisand Effect. In 2003, Barbra Streisand sued to have a picture of her home removed from an internet site. At the time she filed the suit, the image had only been downloaded a grand total of six times (twice by her lawyers). After her suit hit the news, the image was downloaded 420,000 times in a single month.
"The reality of the Streisand Effect can create perverse incentives. Bad actors will intentionally court suspensions or flirt with outright bans to generate attention and sympathy."
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...not paying The Twitter's bills, apparently....
https://www.axios.com/2022/12/14/twitter-elon-musk-paying-bills-rent
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This is the guy who is going to take the Earth's wealthiest people to Mars???
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This is the guy who is going to take the Earth's wealthiest people to Mars???
I believe that's called a "Brontorock"
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This is the guy who is going to take the Earth's wealthiest people to Mars???
Maybe he is a big picture ideas guy and not a day to day details guy?
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This is the guy who is going to take the Earth's wealthiest people to Mars???
Hopefully he can take that damned Trump on that ride and not bring him back. Let outer space listen to his BS.
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...not paying The Twitter's bills, apparently....
https://www.axios.com/2022/12/14/twitter-elon-musk-paying-bills-rent
Think he’s trying to run a business, not UNICEF for millennial tech nerds
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Hopefully he can take that damned Trump on that ride and not bring him back. Let outer space listen to his BS.
You’re literally obsessed with Trump. I haven’t listened to him say a peep in I don’t know how long. 🤷🏻♂️
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Think he’s trying to run a business, not UNICEF for millennial tech nerds
Not paying landlords and vendors is now a business strategy? All it takes is 3 creditors to file an involuntary bankruptcy.....
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You’re literally obsessed with Trump. I haven’t listened to him say a peep in I don’t know how long. 🤷🏻♂️
Last I heard he was running for president again....
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Musk taking business and political lessons from Trump?
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Not paying landlords and vendors is now a business strategy?
It certainly can be a short term strategy to renegotiate or prop up cash flow, don’t tell me you’re triggered by Musk too?
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It certainly can be a short term strategy to renegotiate or prop up cash flow, don’t tell me you’re triggered by Musk too?
Oh, I am sure he is going to try and weasel out of debts given how he idiotically overpaid for something that is really nothing of substance.
Triggered? I just think he is a cynical businessman and this is all an act. He has the Libs (buying Teslas and using the stupid Twitter) already. He is now just looking to branch out and suck in Conservatives.
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You really seem to be buying the party line on Musk
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Musk taking business and political lessons from Trump?
Musk's great business skill is finding competent people who want to do something and barking loudly at them and about them while throwing money around.
And that's all it takes to be a wingnut dream date.
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You really seem to be buying the party line on Musk
I thought the party line was that he is into free speech? It certainly isn't proving to be that based on his actions.
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I'll add that I've never followed the guy's story or thought he was a hero or whatever. I'd read how his cars kept getting recalled. The Boring company has overly grandiose unrealiatic plans to build an underground road to O'Hare. And he charges people to go on joy rides in orbit. To me, he has sounds like a lot of rich guys who think they have hit a homer when they started out on second base. Seems to me his mouth got him in trouble here and he is flailing.
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Mr. Free Speech proving to be full of shit.
https://www.the-sun.com/tech/6919934/elon-musk-twitter-sweeney-suspended-stalker-lil-x/
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Mr. Free Speech proving to be full of shit.
https://www.the-sun.com/tech/6919934/elon-musk-twitter-sweeney-suspended-stalker-lil-x/
Nearly as inconsistent as Brumby and nerds when they moderated the deuce.
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Not paying landlords and vendors is now a business strategy? All it takes is 3 creditors to file an involuntary bankruptcy.....
It’s been Trump’s business strategy for decades.
It’s pretty hilarious that the world’s richest man is delinquent on his bills.
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Nearly as inconsistent as Brumby and nerds when they moderated the deuce.
Brumby…you’ve been around a while. What was your original username?
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Oh, I am sure he is going to try and weasel out of debts given how he idiotically overpaid for something that is really nothing of substance.
Triggered? I just think he is a cynical businessman and this is all an act. He has the Libs (buying Teslas and using the stupid Twitter) already. He is now just looking to branch out and suck in Conservatives.
On paper, he’s got like $200 billion left. $44 billion should be play money for him. He’s still one of 3 richest men in the world with the $44 billion.
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Of course Tempo thinks that being with a few hundred billion means you have a few hundred billion sitting in the bank
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I'll add that I've never followed the guy's story or thought he was a hero or whatever. I'd read how his cars kept getting recalled. The Boring company has overly grandiose unrealiatic plans to build an underground road to O'Hare. And he charges people to go on joy rides in orbit. To me, he has sounds like a lot of rich guys who think they have hit a homer when they started out on second base. Seems to me his mouth got him in trouble here and he is flailing.
Dude I was saying he was full of shit years ago on OGHQ and it was crickets from all you lefties except for Murph who’d pipe up to carry his water. Then the guy buys Twitter and right codes himself and next thing you know all the same people are bending over backwards to say he’s full of shit. You’re too smart to be a political windsock.
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Of course Tempo thinks that being with a few hundred billion means you have a few hundred billion sitting in the bank
No, that’s not what I think. What I think is that his life doesn’t change one iota despite buying Twitter or no Twitter.
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Of course Tempo thinks that being with a few hundred billion means you have a few hundred billion sitting in the bank
That’s why I said “on paper.” Meaning, not liquidity.
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You’re too smart to be a political windsock.
That’s debatable.
Anyone can make a heel turn. Ask Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, and Hulk Hogan. I used to like Musk, but what i thought i knew about him was false. He doesn’t seem nearly as smart as I once thought he was.
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Musk's great business skill is finding competent people who want to do something and barking loudly at them and about them while throwing money around.
And that's all it takes to be a wingnut dream date.
Trump's business skills appear to be self promotion, shifting blame, welching on debts; all readily transferable to politics.
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Dude I was saying he was full of shit years ago on OGHQ and it was crickets from all you lefties except for Murph who’d pipe up to carry his water. Then the guy buys Twitter and right codes himself and next thing you know all the same people are bending over backwards to say he’s full of shit. You’re too smart to be a political windsock.
I cannot say I cared about the guy to even comment. (Shocking, I know.) No AOTC award for me on this one.
I only jumped in because people here misconstrued the First Amendment and claimed The Twitter caused Biden to win the election (when The Streisand Effect caused more people to search for the laptop story).
I'm skeptical that 7-Up is going to want to buy ad space on a Nick Fuentes White Power post on The Twitter, but I also don't have 44 billion sitting in my bank account like Tempo thinks Musk does.
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That’s debatable.
Anyone can make a heel turn. Ask Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, and Hulk Hogan. I used to like Musk, but what i thought i knew about him was false. He doesn’t seem nearly as smart as I once thought he was.
This is a hilarious post throughout.
Hulk Hogan? Seriously? Why would you care to "like" any of them listed that much that you were disappointed by them later. You listed a journalist, journalist, pro wrestler, and tech/industrialist. Did you like Trump in the 80s and 90s, buy his dumbass books, and watch his TV show too? I don't get it.
I enjoyed reading Christopher Hitchens even after his "shift." Didn't always agree with him, before or after his "shift," but I thought his writing was usually thought provoking nonetheless.
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Dude I was saying he was full of shit years ago on OGHQ and it was crickets from all you lefties except for Murph who’d pipe up to carry his water. Then the guy buys Twitter and right codes himself and next thing you know all the same people are bending over backwards to say he’s full of shit. You’re too smart to be a political windsock.
From what I can see, most people on the left were ambivalent about Musk until he decided to march down the coo-coo trail. There were some who figured out early that he was an attention whore, feeding off the work of greater people.
I appreciate Tesla’s work on energy storage technology. I almost bought one of its home battery systems. I do not support Musk going full QAnon.
The only question for me now is whether his fits of public insanity over the past two years represent a transformation…or revelation.
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I do not support Musk going full QAnon.
LOL when did he do that?
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From what I can see, most people on the left were ambivalent about Musk until he decided to march down the coo-coo trail. There were some who figured out early that he was an attention whore, feeding off the work of greater people.
I appreciate Tesla’s work on energy storage technology. I almost bought one of its home battery systems. I do not support Musk going full QAnon.
The only question for me now is whether his fits of public insanity over the past two years represent a transformation…or revelation.
Agreed.
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LOL when did he do that?
https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/y3pjkw/elon-musk-is-now-promoting-qanon
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Oh FFS 🤦🏻
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https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/y3pjkw/elon-musk-is-now-promoting-qanon
And you say it’s conservatives that believe in conspiracy theories… 🤦🏻♂️🥴
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Vice appears to love to write about The Twitter.
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https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/y3pjkw/elon-musk-is-now-promoting-qanon
are you sure its not just an Alice in Wonderland reference?
I need a fact check on the fact check
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Vice appears to love to write about The Twitter.
I remember not that long ago when they wrote interesting stories
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Everyone knows Musk is a "pedo guy," but that's not meant to be taken literally.
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I wonder how many people have been put in jail over that whole Epstein case anyway?
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I wonder how many people have been put in jail over that whole Epstein case anyway?
Why you talking about a guy who has been dead for over 3 years?
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are you sure its not just an Alice in Wonderland reference?
I need a fact check on the fact check
Jefferson Airplane, White Rabbit .
"And if you go chasing rabbits ...."
🐰
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Twitter suspends journalists who have been covering Elon Musk and the company
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/twitter-suspends-journalists-covering-elon-musk-company-rcna62032
Gee I wonder if Matt Taibbi will speak up for them.
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Twitter suspends journalists who have been covering Elon Musk and the company
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/twitter-suspends-journalists-covering-elon-musk-company-rcna62032
Gee I wonder if Matt Taibbi will speak up for them.
Doubtful..
Best line:
“We hope that all of the journalists’ accounts are reinstated and that Twitter provides a satisfying explanation for this action,” said Charlie Stadtlander, communications director for the Times.
Uh, he doesn't have to tell you shit, dumbfuck. Sorry.
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My guess is that all of them will get unsuspended in the near future, with Musk snarkily tweeting “sorry, it was a mistake.” Time will tell, but Musk has proven to act in juvenile ways.
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My guess is that all of them will get unsuspended in the near future, with Musk snarkily tweeting “sorry, it was a mistake.” Time will tell, but Musk has proven to act in juvenile ways.
I would not hold my breath. I just hope all those people anxiously awaiting Keith Olbermann's latest musings can find him on Google +.
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Brumby…you’ve been around a while. What was your original username?
ILFaninCa, I think.
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Trolling liberals, the primary buyers of his cars, is odd.
Perhaps he thinks the right will buy his unusual looking Cybertruck to own the libs.
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I guess free speech has its limits afterall.
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I guess free speech has its limits afterall.
Since you served, you know that free speech is not free.
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Elon is a staunch advocate for free speech. Unless it’s free speech he dislikes. Elon drops the ban hammer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyajJS7Kkiw
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Next thing you know, instead of people telling people how to figure out where Musk is and getting his familly stalked, it might get serious and people will start exposing his Twitter handle.
@MDS
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Next thing you know, instead of people telling people how to figure out where Musk is and getting his familly stalked, it might get serious and people will start exposing his Twitter handle.
@MDS
Everything that was being shared was perfectly legal.
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Next thing you know, instead of people telling people how to figure out where Musk is and getting his familly stalked, it might get serious and people will start exposing his Twitter handle.
@MDS
I'll take the family stalking bit with a grain of salt as their is no police report and the jet kid couldn't post where the family car was.
I thought his handle was @freespeechabsolutist. Or is that it on The InstaFace?
But good for him doing what he wants with his new toy. I am going to bet they all come into line shortly because these idiots can't live without the attention they think they can get for themselves on The Twitter.
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Everything that was being shared was perfectly legal.
Here we go again...too bad that is completely irrelevant. His toy. He can do whatever he wants. Don't like it, go pound salt and post on Truth Social, Gab, Mostodon, post.net, HQ2 (except starting additional Bears threads), 247, Illini Loyalty, Rob's website....
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I am becoming entertained by the whining of the media companies about this.
I am also finding I have friends in real life who also do not comprehend the limits of the 1st Amendment, in addition to their zeal for claiming that Justin Fields is a real quarterback.
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I am becoming entertained by the whining of the media companies about this.
I am also finding I have friends in real life who also do not comprehend the limits of the 1st Amendment, in addition to their zeal for claiming that Justin Fields is a real quarterback.
They knew what they were doing. Now they are the #victims.
And the #justiceforthevictims warriors will demand advertisors suspend their advertising campaigns on the Twitter. Again.
It's almost as riveting as Harry and Meghan's Netflix soap opera.
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Everything that was being shared was perfectly legal.
Don't do that.
You did it anyway, didn't you ?
There's no law against it.
Go to your room.
Bwaaaaabwaaaa.
:D
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They knew what they were doing. Now they are the #victims.
And the #justiceforthevictims warriors will demand advertisors suspend their advertising campaigns on the Twitter. Again.
It's almost as riveting as Harry and Meghan's Netflix soap opera.
If you are an advertiser, it may depend on what you are selling if you want to remain on The Twitter. The Trump playing cards and collector dinner plates may sell well there soon.
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If you are an advertiser, it may depend on what you are selling if you want to remain on The Twitter. The Trump playing cards and collector dinner plates may sell well there soon.
Like Dorsey selling his 'we don't ban conservatives' to congressional committees ?
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Like Dorsey selling his 'we don't ban conservatives' to congressional committees ?
I am guessing it depends on if you equate conservatives with bigots and spreading fake news. I don't.
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I am guessing it depends on if you equate conservatives with bigots and spreading fake news. I don't.
Where would "fringe epidemiologist" and co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration Dr. Jay Bhattacharya fit in ?
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Where would "fringe epidemiologist" and co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration Dr. Jay Bhattacharya fit in ?
I do not know how The Twitter management at the time chose to determine who the bigots and fake news peddlers were during their tenure. Much like I do not know how current management is determining who gets banned, etc.
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https://www.theonion.com/conservatives-explain-how-woke-culture-is-destroying-am-1849893948
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I’m so old I remember there once was a time where they’d send a big yellow book to everyone’s house listing yours and everyone else’s assassination coordinates.
How times have changed.
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I’m so old I remember there once was a time where they’d send a big yellow book to everyone’s house listing yours and everyone else’s assassination coordinates.
How times have changed.
LOL. I do not know how far back it goes, but you could pay not to have your listing included in the White Pages.
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I hope no posts that Santa tracker on The Twitter.
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LOL. I do not know how far back it goes, but you could pay not to have your listing included in the White Pages.
I think the opt-out option wasn’t widely available until the 1980s and of course you had to rely on the phone companies to make the process accessible and convenient.
Here's a good article about the evolution of online people search services that replaced the phonebook.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/21/14945884/people-search-sites-history-privacy-regulation
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Unlisted phone numbers were available in Champaign and Urbana early 1960s.
Some people still had party lines back then.
In some of the small towns, you only had to dial the last four digits within an exchange prefix.
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Unlisted phone numbers were available in Champaign and Urbana early 1960s.
Some people still had party lines back then.
In some of the small towns, you only had to dial the last four digits within an exchange prefix.
Was the operator listening in like on The Andy Griffith Show?
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Was the operator listening in like on The Andy Griffith Show?
Thankfully, nobody listens in these days. ;)
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Musk replies to Democracy Dies in Darkness .....
🐰🐰 :D🐰🐰
(https://i.ibb.co/pRZ7BBd/Screenshot-20221217-075236.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4YMqnnp)
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Unlisted phone numbers were available in Champaign and Urbana early 1960s.
Some people still had party lines back then.
In some of the small towns, you only had to dial the last four digits within an exchange prefix.
In the shithole town I grew up in, even during the mid 80s or so, you only had to dial the last 5.
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Musk replies to Democracy Dies in Darkness .....
🐰🐰 :D🐰🐰
(https://i.ibb.co/pRZ7BBd/Screenshot-20221217-075236.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4YMqnnp)
Lol indeed
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It never occurred to me that twitter was good for anything except recruiting scoops.
I also never subscribed to the idea that googling a topic was somehow doing actual research. It can be a useful tool to help read up on something.
The biggest problem is there are so many self styled experts that wading through all the crap to find good info is challenging.
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It never occurred to me that twitter was good for anything except recruiting scoops.
I also never subscribed to the idea that googling a topic was somehow doing actual research. It can be a useful tool to help read up on something.
The biggest problem is there are so many self styled experts that wading through all the crap to find good info is challenging.
Everyone gets their news from The Twitter apparently. I get mine from Golf's memes posted here.
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Everyone gets their news from The Twitter apparently. I get mine from Golf's memes posted here.
I used to get mine from
Don Wade and Rush Limbaugh. Now that they have passed on, I rely on the Five.
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I used to get mine from
Don Wade and Rush Limbaugh. Now that they have passed on, I rely on the Five.
What about Roma? Did she not provide any news?
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I mean seriously though. Elon Musk has some highly questionable judgment to let this photo happen.
(https://i.postimg.cc/x12tC6Pm/D8-FC2-E10-D48-C-451-A-B7-B0-A9553-A0-FA107.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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https://www.yahoo.com/now/time-end-nightmare-analyst-dan-181036682.html
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What about Roma? Did she not provide any news?
Should have said Don Wade and Roma, and Rush, but not Roe Conn; who btw, is now a cop.
Mike Malloy and Nate Clay for a left perspective.
Roma is alive and in Florida.
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Should have said Don Wade and Roma, and Rush, but not Roe Conn; who btw, is now a cop.
Mike Malloy and Nate Clay for a left perspective.
Roma is alive and in Florida.
Maybe she is dating Golf.
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I mean seriously though. Elon Musk has some highly questionable judgment to let this photo happen.
(https://i.postimg.cc/x12tC6Pm/D8-FC2-E10-D48-C-451-A-B7-B0-A9553-A0-FA107.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
attending the world cup? who's he with that pic is terrible
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attending the world cup? who's he with that pic is terrible
You haven't seen that dude at the local bowling alley?
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attending the world cup? who's he with that pic is terrible
You don’t know who that is?
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You don’t know who that is?
no clue
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no clue
Jared Kushner, Trump’s son in law. Saudis allegedly gave him $2 billion
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Privacy for Musk, not for you.
(https://i.postimg.cc/qvdwLHMg/BCDA2377-8252-4079-B8-E2-C14928-D552-B0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mt87Lq9G)
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Privacy for Musk, not for you.
(https://i.postimg.cc/qvdwLHMg/BCDA2377-8252-4079-B8-E2-C14928-D552-B0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mt87Lq9G)
How cool of you to point that out now that he’s came out as a right-wing nut. Liberals do this shit all the time. Do as I say, not as I do. If I’m not mistaken, you had a post with the same contradiction that I pointed out in another thread. Maybe this one.
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https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/after-tesla-stock-lost-critical-battle-line-shares-plunge-toward-worst-month-quarter-and-year-in-history-11671561980
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How cool of you to point that out now that he’s came out as a right-wing nut. Liberals do this shit all the time. Do as I say, not as I do. If I’m not mistaken, you had a post with the same contradiction that I pointed out in another thread. Maybe this one.
Does not seem that he wants to take you on, Judge Judy. Too busy looking for the serial killer throwing people into bodies of water.
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Does not seem that he wants to take you on, Judge Judy. Too busy looking for the serial killer throwing people into bodies of water.
He definitely gets distracted. Sometimes even forgetting his own arguments and posts. It’s ok, just figured I’d make my point.
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I call out Musk because he’s a narcissist and a hypocrite. It has very little to do with his politics, which I’m not convinced are that right-wing.
I didn’t answer JJ because his post didn’t really deserve an answer. I’ve called out the Joe Bidens and Nancy Pelosis of the world, too. They are corporate owned shills.
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I’ve called out the Joe Bidens and Nancy Pelosis of the world, too. They are corporate owned shills.
I call bullshit, where?! Now go search for those and repost here like you search for JFC posts by ThePAMan…
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I call bullshit, where?! Now go search for those and repost here like you search for JFC posts by ThePAMan…
This wasn’t something posted here, but here’s an example. I’m sure I’ve posted similar stuff here. Just not sure which thread to find it in. I’m not searching 112 page threads for you.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5Pcx89/327-B7-C72-BA3-A-4799-9-E80-079330-D608-B0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BPqNJTRv)best free image host (https://postimages.org/)
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Privacy for Musk, not for you.
(https://i.postimg.cc/qvdwLHMg/BCDA2377-8252-4079-B8-E2-C14928-D552-B0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mt87Lq9G)
Do you have any links to these news reports ?
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Do you have any links to these news reports ?
Try Google?
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https://twitter.com/jamilsmith/status/1603619898394939393?s=46&t=Lecy8kv8sTouDEnoS7xYmQ
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This wasn’t something posted here, but here’s an example. I’m sure I’ve posted similar stuff here. Just not sure which thread to find it in. I’m not searching 112 page threads for you.
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For the record, this was NOT posted by Jobu or any of his Tempo mults.
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I call bullshit, where?! Now go search for those and repost here like you search for JFC posts by ThePAMan…
Found a few. Make sure you read them. This ALWAYS ends badly for you.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/23/politics/twitter-files-elon-musk-fbi-hunter-biden-laptop/index.html
It is what you would expect from the Communist News Network though....
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/23/politics/twitter-files-elon-musk-fbi-hunter-biden-laptop/index.html
It is what you would expect from the Communist News Network though....
Well water IS wet, right?! Unless of course you’re a fish and don’t know any better I suppose.
Not sure what I just said has any relevance BUT it sounded good in my head. Logic be damned!
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Found a few. Make sure you read them. This ALWAYS ends badly for you.
I think it’s funny you take the actual time to look them up to prove yourself lol
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I think it’s funny you take the actual time to look them up to prove yourself lol
Didn’t take that long. I like proving you wrong when you’re talking out of your ass.
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Didn’t take that long. I like proving you wrong when you’re talking out of your ass.
Murph, take care of this peasant for me! 😂
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Murph, take care of this peasant for me! 😂
If you’re going to make false accusations expect to get called out.
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If you’re going to make false accusations expect to get called out.
Yes, Boss. You get called out on your bullshit everyday and just won’t let it go.
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Yes, Boss. You get called out on your bullshit everyday and just won’t let it go.
I literally just proved you were talking out of your ass (at your request), and you act as if I’m the one clowning myself. Can’t make this up.
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You still hung up on the Bielema shit from like 2 years ago? Let it go, man.
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I literally just proved you were talking out of your ass (at your request), and you act as if I’m the one clowning myself. Can’t make this up.
You did good, Tempo.
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I literally just proved you were talking out of your ass (at your request), and you act as if I’m the one clowning myself. Can’t make this up.
He has no butthole. He does not poop
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1610421293060599808
“US govt agency demanded suspension of 250k accounts, including journalists & Canadian officials!”
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1610421293060599808
Did you actually read the source document in the embedded The Tweet? The one that says they displayed "inorganic behavior," followed two or more Chinese diplomats, newly created, were believed to be "suspicious" and "This is shared for your situational awareness and no action is requested."
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1610421293060599808
I can’t wait for the replies from Murph and Alum. Should be funny.
And apparently PMan
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I can’t wait for the replies from Murph and Alum. Should be funny.
And apparently PMan
The document upon which the allegation is based is attached to the underlying The Tweet. Read it and let me know what you think (instead of what someone else thinks). If they did it, let's see it. I have not seen it yet.
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The document upon which the allegation is based is attached to the underlying The Tweet. Read it and let me know what you think (instead of what someone else thinks). If they did it, let's see it. I have not seen it yet.
That’s a lot of reading 😂
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That’s a lot of reading 😂
If you can read Tempo's Nicaraguan Women Are Easy articles, I think you can handle this one.
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If you can read Tempo's Nicaraguan Women Are Easy articles, I think you can handle this one.
Yeah man but those women eating live tarantulas is 🔥🥵
This shit is boring but shows you all the bullshit our government does. Shits actually depressing.
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I can’t wait for the replies from Murph and Alum. Should be funny.
And apparently PMan
Deleted my account
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Deleted my account
Let me guess… because of Elon?!
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Did you actually read the source document in the embedded The Tweet? The one that says they displayed "inorganic behavior," followed two or more Chinese diplomats, newly created, were believed to be "suspicious" and "This is shared for your situational awareness and no action is requested."
It's the Russians. Everything is the Russians. Lol.
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And the Twitter says: nsp!!!
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And the State Dept/GEC stands firm: on Feb 14, 2020. 2 weeks after virologists tell Fauci the virus looks engineered.
Any discussion of a lab leak needs to be shut down.
ThiS wAs NOt A laB LeAK.
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It's aLwAYs the Russians. 🤣🤣
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Let me guess… because of Elon?!
because all anyone talked about was Elon, and it got very boring
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because all anyone talked about was Elon, and it got very boring
You do realize you can follow anybody you want…
Like you literally get to pick and choose who/what you get to see on your feed.
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It's the Russians. Everything is the Russians. Lol.
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And the Twitter says: nsp!!!
(https://i.ibb.co/Q62csgV/Screenshot-20230104-171019.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BgXP8pJ)
And the State Dept/GEC stands firm: on Feb 14, 2020. 2 weeks after virologists tell Fauci the virus looks engineered.
Any discussion of a lab leak needs to be shut down.
ThiS wAs NOt A laB LeAK.
(https://i.ibb.co/pdkVwNR/Screenshot-20230104-163530.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hVTQ9rZ)
It's aLwAYs the Russians. 🤣🤣
It appears the Commie bastards were very successful in their misinformation efforts, don't you think?
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It appears the bastards were very successful in their misinformation efforts, don't you think?
Fixed it for you.
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Fixed it for you.
Hahaha. Looks like the Commies got to you, Mn!
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Hahaha. Looks like the Commies got to you, Mn!
From the "Intelligence Committee" chair's office..........
And then from the Twitter: ummmmm No, Chairman Schiff. We don't do that.
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You do realize you can follow anybody you want…
Like you literally get to pick and choose who/what you get to see on your feed.
I guess the word "anyone" is a definition that eludes you
Or are you implying that instead of deleting my account, I could simply block and unfollow everyone
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Fixed it for you.
If I weren't busy skiing I would find the time to get a sock puppet account and see if I could get Mn to believe that not only is JFK Jr alive, but JFK is too
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From the "Intelligence Committee" chair's office..........
And then from the Twitter: ummmmm No, Chairman Schiff. We don't do that.
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I thought The Twitter censored when asked to do so. Does not look like it did here.
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I thought The Twitter censored when asked to do so. Does not look like it did here.
Whether or not the Twitter complied is not the issue.
A 'remove all' request from the Intelligence Committee is.
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Whether or not the Twitter complied is not the issue.
A 'remove all' request from the Intelligence Committee is.
Did you see the part where the sender asked for the recipient's opinion, if any, on whether any of the requests were even possible?
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Did you see the part where the sender asked for the recipient's opinion, if any, on whether any of the requests were even possible?
The requests from Schiff's office shouldn't have been made, but they knew they could
It looks as the the sender is a Twitter employee asking another employee.
Schiff's office could try to refute Sperry's stories rather than ask to have them censored.
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Anyone shocked? Starting to look like Trump Jr more by the day.
https://fortune.com/2023/01/05/twitter-layoffs-severance-pay-cobra-elon-musk/amp/
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Holy fucking clickbait Batman
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Holy fucking clickbait Batman
Explain.
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Today he is apparently censoring some unflattering documentary about Modi at the behest of the Indian government. Interesting.
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Freaking hilarious...
https://news.yahoo.com/ex-twitter-officials-confirm-congress-185525001.html
As the hearing was still in session, Rolling Stone reported that Trump’s demand to take down Teigen’s tweet was “hardly an isolated incident.” According to former Trump officials and Twitter staffers, prominent Republicans and the ex-president routinely asked the company to remove posts—the same behavior they’re now insisting shows Democrats and Twitter conspired to silence conservatives and restrict their free speech.
For some reason, none of this has been revealed in the many editions of Musk’s “Twitter Files,” which have almost entirely concentrated on communications sent by Democrats and government agencies to Twitter.
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What a shithole.
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Look over here, not over there. 👀🙈
If an individual wants to request Twitter take down a tweet that is directed at them, I suppose they should have that right. It may not be approved, but that's a different kettle of fish.
If the government or other actor gets involved in the request, that's also a different kettle of fish.
And Taibbi's write-up from 2 months ago clearly indicated that there were requests from Trump. This is nothing new.
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Look over here, not over there. 👀🙈
If an individual wants to request Twitter take down a tweet that is directed at them, I suppose they should have that right. It may not be approved, but that's a different kettle of fish.
If the government or other actor gets involved in the request, that's also a different kettle of fish.
And Taibbi's write-up from 2 months ago clearly indicated that there were requests from Trump. This is nothing new.
So the outrage was selective. Thanks!
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"If the government or other actor gets involved in the request, that's also a different kettle of fish."
I think President Trump was part of the government?
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So the outrage was selective. Thanks!
By Yahoo ? Yes, you are correct.
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"If the government or other actor gets involved in the request, that's also a different kettle of fish."
I think President Trump was part of the government?
He can pick up the phone and call Yoel Roth or his good buddy Jim McCabe to request a tweet be removed, the same as Hunter Biden could.
Requests coming from governmental agencies or their subcontractors are quite different.
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He can pick up the phone and call Yoel Roth or his good buddy Jim McCabe to request a tweet be removed, the same as Hunter Biden could.
Requests coming from governmental agencies or their subcontractors are quite different.
So threatening to use his power to regulate or shut them down is ok?
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Freaking hilarious...
https://news.yahoo.com/ex-twitter-officials-confirm-congress-185525001.html
As the hearing was still in session, Rolling Stone reported that Trump’s demand to take down Teigen’s tweet was “hardly an isolated incident.” According to former Trump officials and Twitter staffers, prominent Republicans and the ex-president routinely asked the company to remove posts—the same behavior they’re now insisting shows Democrats and Twitter conspired to silence conservatives and restrict their free speech.
For some reason, none of this has been revealed in the many editions of Musk’s “Twitter Files,” which have almost entirely concentrated on communications sent by Democrats and government agencies to Twitter.
These hearings are going to bite the Republicans in the ass six ways from Sunday.
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Here is a completely different take on the twitter files:
"There is a difference between receiving government counsel and following government orders, and nothing in the files indicates the latter has been done."
"...despite the concerns of pundits, the files do not actually show Twitter being compelled to act against its will."
https://www.lawfareblog.com/interpreting-twitter-files-lessons-about-external-influence-content-moderation
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He can pick up the phone and call Yoel Roth or his good buddy Jim McCabe to request a tweet be removed, the same as Hunter Biden could.
Requests coming from governmental agencies or their subcontractors are quite different.
I agree that purely petty personal requests are different than requests from law enforcement or intelligence agencies.
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Here is a completely different take on the twitter files:
"There is a difference between receiving government counsel and following government orders, and nothing in the files indicates the latter has been done."
"...despite the concerns of pundits, the files do not actually show Twitter being compelled to act against its will."
https://www.lawfareblog.com/interpreting-twitter-files-lessons-about-external-influence-content-moderation
lol. The RuSsIaNs are coming. The RuSsIaNs are coming. The Russian's influence was minimal compared to the influence of the government, Hamilton68, other groups and the media.
And true, good luck finding something from the government to Twitter, Facebook or whoever in black and white that says "you are compelled".
And I'm not sure your linked article says anything other than an attempt to justify for their work.
"On the contrary, when done correctly, this communication can foster balance and a safer social media experience for everyone. The Twitter Files certainly show, however, that so far these collaborations have often been ad hoc and distrusted. We have work to do, but it is work worth doing.
Nice closing line.
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"The Russian's influence was minimal compared to the influence of the government, Hamilton68, other groups and the media."
The media unduly influenced the media?
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"And true, good luck finding something from the government to Twitter, Facebook or whoever in black and white that says "you are compelled"."
So your evidence that they were compelled is they all say, no, they were not compelled?
How about
"the files show several instances of Twitter pushing back against outside recommendations regarding moderation and attribution."
Do you disagree with this:
"...much of what the files show in this case is simply mechanisms by which light is being cast on possible foreign information operations. Far from illegal, working with U.S. platforms to stop foreign information operations in this way is exactly what we should expect from the government."
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"And true, good luck finding something from the government to Twitter, Facebook or whoever in black and white that says "you are compelled"."
So your evidence that they were compelled is they all say, no, they were not compelled?
How about
"the files show several instances of Twitter pushing back against outside recommendations regarding moderation and attribution."
Do you disagree with this:
"...much of what the files show in this case is simply mechanisms by which light is being cast on possible foreign information operations. Far from illegal, working with U.S. platforms to stop foreign information operations in this way is exactly what we should expect from the government."
This is how the writer couches his argument, but there were more impactful domestic operations than foreign.
Yes there was some push back, but that doesn't absolve Twitter of instances where they wouldn't push back.
There is merit to addressing the foreign operations, but these are nothing new.
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By Yahoo ? Yes, you are correct.
And Custard? ;D
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Sounds like we should be happy that the Twitter, in partnership with our intelligence agencies, were able to limit the Soviet influence during the election. Job well done everybody
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I agree that purely petty personal requests are different than requests from law enforcement or intelligence agencies.
So your thinking is that a boss asking his female report to give him a blowjob is "just a personal request"?
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/09/politics/spacex-ukrainian-troops-satellite-technology/index.html
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So your thinking is that a boss asking his female report to give him a blowjob is "just a personal request"?
I was saying, in the context of asking twitter to remove something, I suppose I might concede that a petty ego based personal request is different than a national security based suggestions from the think tanks, law enforcement, etc.
I have no idea how you turned that into my thinking sexual harassment is a personal request.
Our good friend from MN seems to think personal requests are ok, but suggestions from third parties are not. I don't agree with his reasoning.
I do agree there is a distinction between Trump acting out of his personal interest and law enforcement acting in the national interest.
I don't think we can say one is always ok and the other is not.
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There were certainly teams of trolls supporting Trump on Facebook. They even had friends who were facebook mods.
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I do agree there is a distinction between Trump acting out of his personal interest and law enforcement acting in the national interest.
Is there a difference between The President of the United States acting out of his personal interest and Tempo calling up twitter to get them to delete a PAMan tweet accusing him of molesting his kids?
That's why the analogy holds. Tempo can't do anything to Twitter. The President can.
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Is there a difference between The President of the United States acting out of his personal interest and Tempo calling up twitter to get them to delete a PAMan tweet accusing him of molesting his kids?
That's why the analogy holds. Tempo can't do anything to Twitter. The President can.
Right. You must've missed this:
MN wrote "If the government or other actor gets involved in the request, that's also a different kettle of fish."
I replied: I think President Trump was part of the government?
So threatening to use his power to regulate or shut them down is ok?
Trump using his power for personal reasons is distinct from law enforcement, intelligence agencies, or think tanks advising social media platforms about foreign intel operations. I don't know how many different ways I can word that. I conceded that point tp MN.
MN seems to be saying said the former was okay; but the latter was not. I disagreed.
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https://news.yahoo.com/russian-propagandists-said-buy-twitter-112208170.html
Russian propagandists said to buy Twitter blue-check verifications
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Hilarious. The Soviets still working hard for Trump?
https://apnews.com/article/trump-desantis-twitter-haley-presidential-election-4d61487294f9218855b8e6e89f0c8ccc
Over the past 11 months, someone created thousands of fake, automated Twitter accounts — perhaps hundreds of thousands of them — to offer a stream of praise for Donald Trump.
Besides posting adoring words about the former president, the fake accounts ridiculed Trump’s critics from both parties and attacked Nikki Haley, the former South Carolina governor and U.N. ambassador who is challenging her onetime boss for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination.
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Hilarious. The Soviets still working hard for Trump?
https://apnews.com/article/trump-desantis-twitter-haley-presidential-election-4d61487294f9218855b8e6e89f0c8ccc
Over the past 11 months, someone created thousands of fake, automated Twitter accounts — perhaps hundreds of thousands of them — to offer a stream of praise for Donald Trump.
Besides posting adoring words about the former president, the fake accounts ridiculed Trump’s critics from both parties and attacked Nikki Haley, the former South Carolina governor and U.N. ambassador who is challenging her onetime boss for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination.
"Cyabra’s analysts determined that it was likely created within the U.S."
Where is the FBI Baltimore Field office located ?
Asking for a friend. 8)
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"Cyabra’s analysts determined that it was likely created within the U.S."
Where is the FBI Baltimore Field office located ?
Asking for a friend. 8)
If only Trump had finished building that wall in Alaska
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Like everyone isn’t doing this
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Fake speech sort of erodes the value of free speech.
I think I'll go with the paid, published experts, who use their real names, even if they are prompted.
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I am not surprised that there are people that don’t recognize that a fairly large percentage of the comments they see on Twitter/FB about divisive topics are bot generated bullshit.
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I am not surprised that there are people that don’t recognize that a fairly large percentage of the comments they see on Twitter/FB about divisive topics are bot generated bullshit.
Maybe it's because I'm in the deep bowels of tech, but when I see something that seems off in any way shape or form, I immediately presume spam.
People - smart people that I know - will decline to answer any incoming call from a number that isn't in their contacts, but will take every email or Facebook message at face value. It's a start I guess.
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Like everyone isn’t doing this
Doing what? Letting the Baltimore FBI field office flood social media with pro-Trump bots?
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I am not surprised that there are people that don’t recognize that a fairly large percentage of the comments they see on Twitter/FB about divisive topics are bot generated bullshit.
Are you saying that there really are not that many morons who think JFC is actually a QB at this point?
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Rode in a Tesla Uber on the way home. Driver bitched about all the annual/monthly subscription costs necessary to drive the car (it isn't cheap( how you pay Tesla, and not ComEd, to charge it (and Tesla charges "surge" pricing on the electricity), and how you can only really sell a used Tesla back to Tesla. I'll stick with the 20 year old Prius.
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Rode in a Tesla Uber on the way home. Driver bitched about all the annual/monthly subscription costs necessary to drive the car (it isn't cheap( how you pay Tesla, and not ComEd, to charge it (and Tesla charges "surge" pricing on the electricity), and how you can only really sell a used Tesla back to Tesla. I'll stick with the 20 year old Prius.
I guess that's an illinois problem. I rode this AM with my buddy in his Tesla, when he plugs it in, PG&E's software talks to the Tesla and tunes the charging times to be when electricity from the grid is the cheapest.
Whomever you sell the Tesla to - the resale value is shockingly high.
He plugs it in at work, they charge him $5 for 3 hours which gives him 50% charge - ~130 miles for $5
Also - since purchase he's done zero maintainance on it. No oil changes/etc... He's almost to 60k miles where he will get his first new cost - replacing the tires.
I mean - come on, you were talking to an Uber driver, not a rocket scientist.
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Rode in a Tesla Uber on the way home. Driver bitched about all the annual/monthly subscription costs necessary to drive the car (it isn't cheap( how you pay Tesla, and not ComEd, to charge it (and Tesla charges "surge" pricing on the electricity), and how you can only really sell a used Tesla back to Tesla. I'll stick with the 20 year old Prius.
Also - that thing is like riding a roller coaster if you want to - the acceleration on that thing is nuts.
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I guess that's an illinois problem. I rode this AM with my buddy in his Tesla, when he plugs it in, PG&E's software talks to the Tesla and tunes the charging times to be when electricity from the grid is the cheapest.
Whomever you sell the Tesla to - the resale value is shockingly high.
He plugs it in at work, they charge him $5 for 3 hours which gives him 50% charge - ~130 miles for $5
I mean - come on, you were talking to an Uber driver, not a rocket scientist.
Guy was quoting the electricity prices based on the time of day and pointing on the map with the charging stations what Tesla charged at each one. He said the battery was shit in the cold. He was not a happy customer. Seemed like a nice ride though. He said he had 80 miles left on the battery and I saw he had driven 187. That and the subscription prices to have cruise control etc. means you can keep it.
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Also - that thing is like riding a roller coaster if you want to - the acceleration on that thing is nuts.
He said it was more effective in city driving than expressway driving.
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Guy was quoting the electricity prices based on the time of day and pointing on the map with the charging stations what Tesla charged at each one. He said the battery was shit in the cold. He was not a happy customer. Seemed like a nice ride though. He said he had 80 miles left on the battery and I saw he had driven 187. That and the subscription prices to have cruise control etc. means you can keep it.
An Uber driver has to charge during the day when prices are high because they are driving it all the time. A "traditional user" plugs it in when they get home and it charges overnight while prices are low.
But being an Uber driver fulltime is an economic loser no matter how you slice it, the depreciation on the vehicle is bonkers compared to the income. Might as well not depreciate your car and flip burgers.
I do have one acquaintance who lives in Santa Rosa and works in SF, he gets up around 5 AM and turns on the uber app, and tries to get a fare headed south. He prefers to get a fare headed to somewhere in Marin, then he drops them off and takes the ferry, but if the fare wants to go to SF, he just drives them in and pays to park. Think the fare ends up being roughly $100 and parking is $30. So to some sense he's really just doing Casual Carpool but getting a few bucks (Casual Carpool is a real thing out here, people line up at places in Oakland and Berkeley and drivers line up to pick up people and drive them to SF in order to save the toll and be able to use the carpool lane).
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But being an Uber driver fulltime is an economic loser no matter how you slice it, the depreciation on the vehicle is bonkers compared to the income. Might as well not depreciate your car and flip burgers.
More shots fired by Murph at Tempo.
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It was pretty good until a few months ago. If you were disciplined and understood how to maximize your earnings. It is Royal hell on a vehicle though. Some drivers could make 3k+ in a week. I’ve had lots of 2k plus weeks and had great flexibility in my schedule, which i needed. Uber pay now is shit because Uber got greedy.
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I’ve picked up multiple people from Tesla dealerships dropping off their brand new Teslas to have something fixed. One guy recently said air was creeping through his window.
Sounds to me like they are living on their reputation.
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It was pretty good until a few months ago. If you were disciplined and understood how to maximize your earnings. It is Royal hell on a vehicle though. Some drivers could make 3k+ in a week. I’ve had lots of 2k plus weeks and had great flexibility in my schedule, which i needed. Uber pay now is shit because Uber got greedy.
Make 3k+ is that gross? Or after gas prices, tires, oil changes, and eventually the entire cost of the vehicle.
As for Uber getting greedy - the company has operated at a loss since inception. At some point they either had to lower your cut or raise fares - neither of which will work out. Basically they have just thrown a decade long party for people who needed rides.
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More shots fired by Murph at Tempo.
We call that a "subtweet" in the business.
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Make 3k+ is that gross? Or after gas prices, tires, oil changes, and eventually the entire cost of the vehicle.
As for Uber getting greedy - the company has operated at a loss since inception. At some point they either had to lower your cut or raise fares - neither of which will work out. Basically they have just thrown a decade long party for people who needed rides.
The reason is driver pay has been cut. Severely.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/08/business/uber-revenue.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
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Make 3k+ is that gross? Or after gas prices, tires, oil changes, and eventually the entire cost of the vehicle.
As for Uber getting greedy - the company has operated at a loss since inception. At some point they either had to lower your cut or raise fares - neither of which will work out. Basically they have just thrown a decade long party for people who needed rides.
Yeah, but they successfully killed the cab business.
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Fuck, I just typed out a two paragraph response that got blitzed. I even copied it because I saw that coming and it didn’t copy.
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Make 3k+ is that gross? Or after gas prices, tires, oil changes, and eventually the entire cost of the vehicle.
As for Uber getting greedy - the company has operated at a loss since inception. At some point they either had to lower your cut or raise fares - neither of which will work out. Basically they have just thrown a decade long party for people who needed rides.
Of course, a fair amount is re-invested. Definitely not all profit. But I did it for 5+ years (started out planning to do it 3-5 months) making it work. I worked as much as I wanted or took as much time off as I wanted. I needed the flexibility in my schedule, that’s the main reason i started doing it. By and large I was happy.
Recently (about 4 months ago) Uber rolled out some new features that some drivers had been clamoring for, but guess what?! Those improved features came with a huge pay reduction! In other words, it’s a big fucking shell game. I used to make $600-700 a week just in bonuses with out breaking a sweat. Bonuses suck now, and I don’t even shoot for them now. I split time evenly between Lyft and Uber. Both suck anymore though. Still nice not having a boss or set hours, but the pay sucks. Time to get out. Honestly, wouldn’t be surprised if the cabs make a comeback because no one would drive for these wages long unless they are a moron.
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6 months ago you wouldn’t have seen garbage like this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/T25KzV4S/6-EB81-B7-A-0-A94-4-EB4-B847-12181-CBEBF45.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CdYMDqYH)
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Any memorable passengers/stories?
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6 months ago you couldn’t get a ride across the street for $3 now they want you to spend 20 minutes of your time, car, and gas. I’ve seen a ton of rides less than $3
(https://i.postimg.cc/1RD90JT9/48346-D7-B-2-EA1-4045-A751-6732-E218-B0-B3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/grkFmqm5)
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My acceptance rate has gone from 90% to 15% and falling. 90-95% of rides aren’t worth taking anymore.
(https://i.postimg.cc/1RD90JT9/48346-D7-B-2-EA1-4045-A751-6732-E218-B0-B3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/grkFmqm5)
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Meant for that last one to be this one.
(https://i.postimg.cc/s1FQLxzv/56-B18-A26-AC6-F-44-AD-9927-D82-FA4-EBFE17.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/V0RkrYd8)
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Any memorable passengers/stories?
A few.
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Of course, a fair amount is re-invested. Definitely not all profit. But I did it for 5+ years (started out planning to do it 3-5 months) making it work. I worked as much as I wanted or took as much time off as I wanted. I needed the flexibility in my schedule, that’s the main reason i started doing it. By and large I was happy.
Recently (about 4 months ago) Uber rolled out some new features that some drivers had been clamoring for, but guess what?! Those improved features came with a huge pay reduction! In other words, it’s a big fucking shell game. I used to make $600-700 a week just in bonuses with out breaking a sweat. Bonuses suck now, and I don’t even shoot for them now. I split time evenly between Lyft and Uber. Both suck anymore though. Still nice not having a boss or set hours, but the pay sucks. Time to get out. Honestly, wouldn’t be surprised if the cabs make a comeback because no one would drive for these wages long unless they are a moron.
The entire business model is broken. You've been getting paid these fat stacks by VC's and stockholders, not the riders. Eventually that had to end. The real plan was for driverless cars, but that problem hasn't been solved.
I don't think you can rightfully complain that Uber is mistreating you, if they treat you as you would like, they would just go belly up anyway. Broken business model. Take the money and run.
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Have your own jitney cab service, Tempo.
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(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WiltedDecimalAmericanmarten.webp)
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(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WiltedDecimalAmericanmarten.webp)
Hahaha tempos speedy rickshaw inc!
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Meant for that last one to be this one.
(https://i.postimg.cc/s1FQLxzv/56-B18-A26-AC6-F-44-AD-9927-D82-FA4-EBFE17.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/V0RkrYd8)
So, wtf do you do for health insurance? And, did your auto insurance increase because you do Uber? Your expenses have to be outrageous.
Jesus. I, for the life of me, can’t understand why the fuck anyone would do this.
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https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-orders/
Twitter is complying with more government demands under Elon MuskThe company has not refused a single request since Musk took ownership, according to self-reported data
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91kyM70ph7w
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Kowtowing to Commies, apparently.
https://msliwapublicrelations.cmail20.com/t/j-e-ehjqyk-yueydiijr-m/
Twitter Silences Critical Voices with Search Bans
on Top Uyghur and Tibetan Accounts
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Kowtowing to Commies, apparently.
https://msliwapublicrelations.cmail20.com/t/j-e-ehjqyk-yueydiijr-m/
Twitter Silences Critical Voices with Search Bans
on Top Uyghur and Tibetan Accounts
Is this one of the Twitter accounts ?
(https://i.ibb.co/GPBcwm2/Screenshot-20230607-190524.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C0NhdL7)
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Is this one of the Twitter accounts ?
(https://i.ibb.co/GPBcwm2/Screenshot-20230607-190524.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C0NhdL7)
Maybe he is a mult and not "critical"?
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i rode in a uber twice
ill stick to the classic taxis
just a 80's 90s feel you cant beat
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How much are you The Twitter people willing to pay monthly for the honor of using it? Isn't this the latest thing?
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How much are you The Twitter people willing to pay monthly for the honor of using it? Isn't this the latest thing?
Zero. I stopped using it a month or two into Musk's tenure and don't miss it. Occasionally when something is happening I'll go do a search (earthquake, sports event, train delay) but the real earthquake stats can be found via a web search, I guess I can wait to see the clips of some play, and so many other people quit twitter that the train delay info isn't really what it used to be anyway.
The last point there is the real problem for Musk. Because the value in twitter is the content created by users, if some subset of users balks at paying, the content goes down, making the value less, resulting in more people quitting, and so on and so on.
There are some persons that - much like this message board - I only "knew" via virtual interactions on twitter. In the case of twitter, these persons created interactions where I would learn a lot of information, which while not particularly valuable to me in terms of anything actionable, were brain stimulating and part of my knowledge base. It only takes 20% of them to vanish to make the feed less stimulating to the point where twitter is just boring crap. And once that happens the other 80% quit too.
I'd love to see a comparison from 12 months ago to today of number of tweets from the people I follow. I suspect it's down by 50% or more.
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Happy one year anniversary of Musk purchasing The Twitter. Looks like it is all going as planned.
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He’s not busy getting rid of the x rated spam bots, I can tell you that.
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Long gone are the days of noblesse oblige. I can't see Musk founding a library or museum any time soon.
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Carnegie didn’t have to pay much income tax
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https://youtu.be/_OZuF5cI6Xk?si=zejR5e1qaAmilnF8
"You are upsetting me."
This guy is a fucking pussy.
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Yes Don is an ineffectual pussy.
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Yes Don is an ineffectual pussy.
It appears the Musk Cult is looking to rival the Fields Cult....
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Yes Don is an ineffectual pussy.
Lemon was courteous, but he eviscerated, mutilated, and pulverized Elon on every single point of contention.
Musk was defensive, combative, a weasel, racist, sexist, and just plain factually wrong.
He thinks an airline training some graduates of HBCs is going to get people killed?
Elon had a tough childhood in an apartheid country. His parents got divorced, he had a strained relationship with daddy, and he was bullied at his exclusive private school.
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Spitting facts…
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1771590516552949837?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Spitting [alternative] facts…
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1771590516552949837?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
fify
I'd like to see the FBI data for that.
Typi
In really, black murderers account for 90% of black murder victims; whites 7%.
Whites murderers account for about 84% of white murder victims; blacks about 14%.
The confusion can come from converting murder rates per 1,000,000 to percentages or vice versa. Or something like that.
Depending on how Latinos are treated whites are 60 to 80% of the population. Blacks are 12.5 to 13.5%. Failure to account for that distorts the numbers.
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https://twitter.com/RyanShead/status/1771621123765031149?t=oTumfOzItzDEaVLk0EWVNA&s=19
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PhD rips Musk a new one.
https://twitter.com/kareem_carr/status/1655614482432012289?t=xxbv1MHKDtyElIiq5_ra9Q&s=19
"The original table had percentages and those seem to have been used to reverse engineer the numbers in the bar chart.
...[It] communicates clearly the fact that the rates at which white victims experience violent crime involving black offenders is very similar to the overall percentage of black people in the population (14.6%).
This point is *actively* obscured by turning these percentages into counts in the graph."
"In a truly race-blind society, where most of the people are white and where victims are being selected purely at random, the vast majority of crimes committed by black offenders *should* involve white victims."
"... the vast majority of violent crimes in America involve white victims and white offenders.
If we thought race was a huge factor, and wanted to make the biggest impact on crime numbers, we might want to start there."
"According to Pew Research, the most common age of White Americans in 2018 is 58. For Black Americans, it's 27.
As you can imagine, there's probably not a lot of 58 year olds running around committing violent crime.
"When we compare the white population to the black population without adjustment, we are essentially comparing 58 year olds to 27 year olds.'
... More at link
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PhD rips Musk a new one.
https://twitter.com/kareem_carr/status/1655614482432012289?t=xxbv1MHKDtyElIiq5_ra9Q&s=19
A PhD that doesn't understand per capita apparently
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A PhD that doesn't understand per capita apparently
Please explain.
How about the earlier chart that claims blacks are responsible for 44% of white murder victims and whites 37%? I know that smells wrong.
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72.7% of statistics are made up on the spot. Another 5
% are distorted from raw data to support a preconceived conclusion. The other 2.3% should not be trusted. I tend to trust the ones that support what I know to be true. /s
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Interesting...had heard he was a big free speech guy.
https://www.businessinsider.com/judge-throws-out-hate-speech-lawsuit-elon-musk-x-2024-3