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Re: Luke Gutless
« Reply #360 on: November 28, 2023, 10:01:14 PM »
Some famous former evangelical pastor talks about conservative Christians reactions to the Sermon on the Mount. Like, "Where did you get those liberal talking points?"

Meanwhile, Buddhist monks and priests tell me the Asian laity isn't much interested in the 4 noble truths or the 8 fold path. They are mostly looking for material blessings. Also what a friend calls "afterlife insurance" -- just in case.
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Re: Luke Gutless
« Reply #361 on: November 28, 2023, 10:10:07 PM »
Lol sounds about right.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Luke Gutless
« Reply #362 on: November 29, 2023, 02:29:59 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 28, 2023, 09:42:38 PM
Explain.

Anything I’ve ever seen from you regarding religion is basically taking potshots at religion and anyone who practices it. Then you at least somewhat seriously suggesting that being an alcoholic is better than being religious.

From the outside looking in, you appear to have a rather dull and unfulfilling career with no real family or social life. Throw in the sneering agnosticism/atheism and it’s the classic recipe for a rather bleak and meaningless existence. Which, coincidentally, is perfectly consistent with how alcoholics eventually end up living right up until they die sick and alone. 

You seem to pick out the bad 1% of religion/religious people to try and make a sweeping generalization about the dangers and awfulness of the institution itself. It’s a really poor snapshot of what’s actually taking place out there, and fails to recognize the enormous good that religion does.

The vast majority of the people practicing religion are doing it for the right reasons and are finding fulfillment, purpose, and light in their lives. There are proven scientific health benefits to regular prayer/meditation/faith.

Very few of these people are shoving their beliefs down other peoples’ throats or oppressing anyone. If anything, they’re contributing way more net positivity to society than the average person.

Perhaps join a non-Denominational men’s group for a month or two this winter for some fellowship and camaraderie and report back?
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Re: Luke Gutless
« Reply #363 on: November 29, 2023, 02:32:50 PM »
A for effort.
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« Reply #364 on: November 29, 2023, 02:38:19 PM »
I’m totally down with religious people who preach love, inclusion, and helping the needy. A lot of what I see is judgment and forcing their beliefs onto others. A lot of it is for show. IIRC Jesus taught us to practice our faith in private.

I’m totally down with the good stuff in religion. Just don’t believe in imaginary dudes in the sky. Or an afterlife. I’m down with love and kindness because it’s the right thing to do.
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Re: Luke Gutless
« Reply #365 on: November 29, 2023, 02:39:32 PM »
FTR religion has killed and oppressed more people than any other entity. So it’s got that going for it as well.
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Re: Luke Gutless
« Reply #366 on: November 29, 2023, 03:18:11 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 29, 2023, 02:39:32 PM
FTR religion has killed and oppressed more people than any other entity. So it’s got that going for it as well.

What if Christianity focused on the Sermon on the Mount and sober cultivation of the 7 or 10 virtues instead fanatical faith in  Jesus?

What if Christians acknowledged there are other ways to salvation?
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Re: Luke Gutless
« Reply #367 on: November 29, 2023, 03:38:49 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 29, 2023, 02:38:19 PM
I’m totally down with religious people who preach love, inclusion, and helping the needy. A lot of what I see is judgment and forcing their beliefs onto others. A lot of it is for show. IIRC Jesus taught us to practice our faith in private.

I’m totally down with the good stuff in religion. Just don’t believe in imaginary dudes in the sky. Or an afterlife. I’m down with love and kindness because it’s the right thing to do.

When you mostly consume left leaning media, which actively has a bone to pick with religion, I’m sure you do mostly see the negative.

What I’m saying is maybe entertain the idea of joining a men’s group and seeing what actually happens. Be the love and inclusivity and help the needy. It’s good for the soul. I’m not trying to be patronizing, I’m being absolutely sincere.

I’m by no means a Bible thumper and have spent various (dark) periods of my adulthood living totally agnostically. Like most of the Bruce Weber and John Groce years. My life is always fuller and more meaningful when I’m involved in the church and charity, even if it’s somewhat casually. You don’t have to be ten toes in on everything to benefit yourself and others.
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Re: Luke Gutless
« Reply #368 on: November 29, 2023, 08:16:53 PM »
Ironically, my distaste for organized religion was born at the University of Illinois. Studying the earliest years of American history (Salem Witch Trials, and the principles that drove the founders) was an eye opener.
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« Reply #369 on: November 29, 2023, 08:18:34 PM »
I used to volunteer at food shelters and do more in the community. I’d like to get back to that. I make excuses for why I don’t have time for it, but I would think I could do it if I was committed to making it happen.
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« Reply #370 on: November 29, 2023, 08:36:45 PM »
I do agree with the psychological benefits it can have. I’ve considered going to mass occasionally even though I don’t believe in almost anything taught there anymore. I do think it’s important to have to time to meditate and reflect.
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Re: Luke Gutless
« Reply #371 on: November 30, 2023, 07:57:30 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 29, 2023, 08:36:45 PM
I do agree with the psychological benefits it can have. I’ve considered going to mass occasionally even though I don’t believe in almost anything taught there anymore. I do think it’s important to have to time to meditate and reflect.

It sure as hell beats being an alcoholic
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Re: Luke Gutless
« Reply #372 on: November 30, 2023, 08:00:07 AM »
Quote from: Jobu on November 30, 2023, 07:57:30 AM
It sure as hell beats being an alcoholic

You sure?
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Re: Luke Gutless
« Reply #373 on: November 30, 2023, 08:00:27 AM »
Quote from: Jobu on November 30, 2023, 07:57:30 AM
It sure as hell beats being an alcoholic

Yeah, we can clearly now see the problem with his thought processes…
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Re: Luke Gutless
« Reply #374 on: November 30, 2023, 08:00:59 AM »
Lol
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