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WTF is up with this Clown World?

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2535 on: March 09, 2023, 07:45:04 AM »
Quote from: Mn on March 09, 2023, 07:39:08 AM
In yesterday's fishwrap news, if I can present it accurately ......

At the request of a 22 year old, 15 and 17 year old brothers break into the home of the 22 year olds ex-girlfriend and murder the 23 year old mother of the 22 year old's child.
In her plea agreement with the brothers, the newly elected county attorney said "our goal is to treat kids like kids" and cites research suggesting children's brains are not fully developed until the age of 25. The plea agreement will send the brothers to juventile detention for 2 years, and then probation to the age of 25.

Meanwhile, the governor signs an executive order protecting the rights of kids to gender affirming care, presumably under the thinking that 16 year old girls are capable of making an informed decision to have their breasts removed and boys can have whatever they want done to be done.

And to address the skyrocketing carjacking going on, the AG wants to investigate Hyundai and Kia about why they make their vehicles so easy to steal. Ellison says "the cars might as well have a giant bumper sticker that says 'steal me' on them.

Fortunately, if the education system continues to produce kids who can't read the theft rate should decline. Unless, I suppose, the inability of those under 25 to make sound decisions is a primary driving factor.

Sounds like Murph and Tempo's Utopia.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2536 on: March 09, 2023, 09:43:36 AM »
Waiting for alum and Ray to debunk Mn’s wingnut rant.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2537 on: March 09, 2023, 09:59:14 AM »
Precedent being set for juvenile defense attorneys. Lol.
What happens if the 22 year old gets acquitted ?
« Last Edit: March 09, 2023, 10:02:02 AM by Mn »
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2538 on: March 09, 2023, 11:34:50 AM »
Quote from: Mn on March 09, 2023, 07:39:08 AM
In yesterday's fishwrap news, if I can present it accurately ......

At the request of a 22 year old, 15 and 17 year old brothers break into the home of the 22 year olds ex-girlfriend and murder the 23 year old mother of the 22 year old's child.
In her plea agreement with the brothers, the newly elected county attorney said "our goal is to treat kids like kids" and cites research suggesting children's brains are not fully developed until the age of 25. The plea agreement will send the brothers to juvenile detention for 2 years, and then probation to the age of 21.

Meanwhile, the governor signs an executive order protecting the rights of kids to gender affirming care, presumably under the thinking that 16 year old girls are capable of making an informed decision to have their breasts removed and boys can have whatever they want done to be done. They must be of sound mind and, what's left of it, body.
At puberty the the kids, maybe as young as 12, are eligible for puberty blocking hormones.

And to address the skyrocketing carjacking going on, the AG wants to investigate Hyundai and Kia about why they make their vehicles so easy to steal. Ellison says "the cars might as well have a giant bumper sticker that says 'steal me' on them.

Fortunately, if the education system continues to produce kids who can't read the theft rate should decline. Unless, I suppose, the inability of those under 25 to make sound decisions is a primary driving factor.

your wackadoo governor also gave rights to illegal aliens to get drivers licenses and former felons to vote... lol

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/mn-senate-passes-voting-rights-for-felons-drivers-licenses-for-all/

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2539 on: March 09, 2023, 11:45:03 AM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 09, 2023, 11:34:50 AM
your wackadoo governor also gave rights to illegal aliens to get drivers licenses and former felons to vote... lol

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/mn-senate-passes-voting-rights-for-felons-drivers-licenses-for-all/

If you've served your time, you should be able to vote. What's your position on Manafort and Roger Stone being able to vote, convicted of felonies but pardoned by Trump? They can vote but some drug dealer who didn't have Trump's favor can't after he finishes his sentence?

As for drivers licenses, this is the best exemple of the GOP putting their head in the sand on principle. You don't need a license to drive a car - all you need is a car and the keys. Licensing doesn't really give a *ton* of training - I got into a wreck shortly after getting my license and looking back on it, it was criminal that I passed the test (on the 2nd try). But it does at least have that bar - and more importantly licensing and registering and *insuring* has huge value. Unless you have a magic wand to get the large companies headed up by GOP donors to round up their illegals and deport them, licensing registering and insuring them reduces a lot of chaos.

Dovetails with things like "safe injection sites" for drugs. The drug addled are going to find those drugs. Sometimes you just need to admit the chaos exists and try to put a lid on it.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2540 on: March 09, 2023, 12:00:15 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on March 09, 2023, 11:45:03 AM
looking back on it, it was criminal that I passed the test (on the 2nd try).

Burying the lede here. Now we can understand the love of the bicycle: you do not know the Rules of the Road!
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2541 on: March 09, 2023, 12:00:58 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 09, 2023, 09:43:36 AM
Waiting for alum and Ray to debunk Mn’s wingnut rant.

There is a major election coming up in 2024 and right-wingers have lost abortion as a tried and true "get 'em out to the polls" issue.  They NEED a trans war to get their voters out.  There are currently more than 300 bills pending in state legislatures that attack transgender health and well-being in one way or another.
https://translegislation.com/learn

I'm on the side of trans people, but I also recognize there are questions with regard to how the medical establishment should treat gender dysphoric children and teens, and as you'd expect the research on this topic is limited and unsettled.  It's both a difficult issue and a fairly recent one.  It hasn't been around long enough to generate a well-accepted body of careful research that follows transitioning kids all the way into adulthood.  Some evidence hints that there may be some problems with current standards of care, but we don't know for sure. 

This shouldn’t be a wedge issue.  The goal should be for policymakers to work with the medical community, transchildren and their parents in a bipartisan way to figure out what’s best for everyone.  I favor oversight and sensible regulation.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2542 on: March 09, 2023, 12:16:44 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 09, 2023, 12:00:15 PM
Burying the lede here. Now we can understand the love of the bicycle: you do not know the Rules of the Road!

s/you do/the general public does/; shitheel
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2543 on: March 09, 2023, 12:18:34 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on March 09, 2023, 12:00:58 PM
There is a major election coming up in 2024 and right-wingers have lost abortion as a tried and true "get 'em out to the polls" issue.  They NEED a trans war to get their voters out.  There are currently more than 300 bills pending in state legislatures that attack transgender health and well-being in one way or another.
https://translegislation.com/learn

I'm on the side of trans people, but I also recognize there are questions with regard to how the medical establishment should treat gender dysphoric children and teens, and as you'd expect the research on this topic is limited and unsettled.  It's both a difficult issue and a fairly recent one.  It hasn't been around long enough to generate a well-accepted body of careful research that follows transitioning kids all the way into adulthood.  Some evidence hints that there may be some problems with current standards of care, but we don't know for sure. 

This shouldn’t be a wedge issue.  The goal should be for policymakers to work with the medical community, transchildren and their parents in a bipartisan way to figure out what’s best for everyone.  I favor oversight and sensible regulation.

The John Stewart clips about suicides amongst children with gender dysphoria should be pounded down over and over. Dovetails exactly with DeSantis' reputation as a bully. For DeSantis, children with gender dysphoria getting bullied is a feature, not a bug.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2544 on: March 09, 2023, 12:18:57 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on March 09, 2023, 12:16:44 PM
s/you do/the general public does/; shitheel

It appears car drivers know the Rules of the Road better than architects are who cyclists.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2545 on: March 09, 2023, 12:20:46 PM »
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2546 on: March 09, 2023, 12:21:46 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 09, 2023, 12:00:15 PM
Burying the lede here. Now we can understand the love of the bicycle: you do not know the Rules of the Road!

Who Is Most at Risk of Dying in a Traffic Accident?
Though fatal traffic accidents can happen unexpectedly at any time or place, there are risk factors that affect a person’s vulnerability on the road.

Age
Teen drivers (between the ages of 16 and 19) are more likely than any other age group to be involved in a car accident, according to the Center for Disease Control (CDC).
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2547 on: March 09, 2023, 12:22:53 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 09, 2023, 12:18:57 PM
It appears car drivers know the Rules of the Road better than architects are who cyclists.
Leading Causes of Deadly Car Accidents
Unfortunately, human error and lack of responsible driving behavior accounts for the most fatalities on the road. These deaths could all be preventable. Fatal car accidents are most frequently caused by these leading factors:

Driving Under the Influence of Alcohol or Drugs
Every day, 32 people in the United States die in drunk driving car crashes. That’s one person every 45 minutes.

Lack of Proper Seat Belt Use
Unrestrained vehicle occupants are more likely than restrained occupants to be fatally injured in a crash. In 2020, of those that were fatally injured in passenger vehicle crashes (aged 13 and older), only 44 percent of drivers and 41 percent of passengers were properly wearing their seatbelts.

Speeding
Speeding was a factor in 29 percent of fatal car accidents in 2020, and has been a factor in more than 25 percent of crash deaths over the past decade.

Distracted Driving
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Drowsy Driving
Driving while not fully awake and alert accounted for 1.6 percent of deadly traffic accidents in 2020.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2548 on: March 09, 2023, 12:25:15 PM »
Murphy and Alum, you both seem to be missing what I believe is Mn's point. I will spell it out for you at the risk that you were intentionally seeking to obscure the point:

If we can let kids make the decision about gender affirming care, that means they can also be tried for their decisions/actions that are felonious in nature.  Can't have it both ways. What Mn and Custard may, note MAY, be missing is the flip side: If you can convict kids of felonies, then why not let them decide the gender affirming care stuff?

Or, maybe we can try and figure this out on a case-by-case basis instead of a one-size-fits-all basis.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2549 on: March 09, 2023, 12:26:34 PM »
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