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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2235 on: October 20, 2022, 03:31:21 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 20, 2022, 07:30:44 AM
read the report,

The "internal, confidential document by the inspector general's office, which was looking into the assessor's office, that was leaked for political purposes in this last month of a campaign"?

"In 2007, Pritzker and his wife bought a second mansion next to the one they live in on Chicago's Astor Street, for $3.7 million.
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that mansion remained vacant and was allowed to fall into disrepair.

in October 2015, , the Pritzkers had five toilets removed from the second house so that it would be classified as "uninhabitable"
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On October 2 2018
"Pritzker said he would pay the Cook County treasurer's office $330,000 by the end of the week. The day before, he had defended the deduction, saying he had "followed the rules."

This is rather old news. You should really be more timely.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2236 on: October 20, 2022, 03:49:16 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on October 20, 2022, 03:24:50 PM
Most people would have gotten a tax cut. But go ahead with your dishonesty.

Bull fucking shit.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2237 on: October 20, 2022, 03:52:32 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on October 20, 2022, 03:23:46 PM
So you say, the state is bankrupt, they don't have enough money to pay for services. But raising taxes to correct that is no good, because there is no guarantee that they won't lower the taxes to offset the tax increase that we need to pay for the services.

Here's a cake. Go eat it. Then show me your uneaten cake.

What I am saying is, if you are going to raise income tax rates, you had to have institutionalized changes to the property tax system. Otherwise, we all know what was going to happen.

No property tax relief, no rise in the income tax. Pretty simple, Nichi. But Pritzker, Madigan, Cullerton, and all the pols who are in the property tax appeals business did not want that.

C'mon, you are smarter than this.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2238 on: October 20, 2022, 03:58:01 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 20, 2022, 03:31:21 PM
The "internal, confidential document by the inspector general's office, which was looking into the assessor's office, that was leaked for political purposes in this last month of a campaign"?

"In 2007, Pritzker and his wife bought a second mansion next to the one they live in on Chicago's Astor Street, for $3.7 million.
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that mansion remained vacant and was allowed to fall into disrepair.

in October 2015, , the Pritzkers had five toilets removed from the second house so that it would be classified as "uninhabitable"
...

On October 2 2018
"Pritzker said he would pay the Cook County treasurer's office $330,000 by the end of the week. The day before, he had defended the deduction, saying he had "followed the rules."

This is rather old news. You should really be more timely.

Hahaha. That's funny. Doesn't mean the fucker at the end of the day shouldn't have been prosecuted for tax and mail fraud, now does it? 
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2239 on: October 20, 2022, 04:02:22 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 20, 2022, 03:52:32 PM

No property tax relief, no rise in the income tax. Pretty simple, Nichi.

C'mon, you are smarter than this.
What would you say if I said you replied to the California resident.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2240 on: October 20, 2022, 04:05:57 PM »
Quote from: Mn on October 20, 2022, 04:02:22 PM
What would you say if I said you replied to the California resident.

I would not have said he was smarter than this.

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2241 on: October 20, 2022, 04:14:25 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on October 20, 2022, 11:27:28 AM
Rauner (and his fat cat buddies Ken Griffin and Richard Uihlein) had just one goal in mind:  bust the labor unions, particularly the public sector ones.  If it meant not paying the state bills, letting infrastructure rot, slashing social services and gutting higher-ed, so be it.  No wonder he lost the next election so badly for an incumbent.
https://news.wttw.com/2015/10/01/rauner-slashes-social-services-cites-lack-state-budget 

Rauner came in with some goodwill and had a chance to help rebuild the deteriorating Republican political apparatus, which was losing seats in the collar counties, recruiting terrible candidates for the House and whiffing on elections for statewide offices like Secretary of State and Treasurer.   

Rauner was a putz compared to Jim Edgar, Judy Baar Topinka, Jim Ryan and even George Ryan.  They played the long game, knew how to build coalitions and recruited competent people to run their operations and agencies.  Rauner surrounded himself with sycophants and flatterers. 

Rauner talked a big game.  Loved his phony flannel shirts, cowboy boots and motorcycle vests.  He turned out to be just another rich, pompous dipshit who couldn’t govern his way out of a paper bag.

For all the bitching about Trump and Evangelicals taking over the GOP, you had a non-culture warrior (who even expanded abortion access funding) and the Dem Criminal Cabal would not play. He started cutting and slashing and it was brutal and did not do anyone any good and still nothing. Now you get Bailey running and we will remain fucked once the COVID money runs out while JB runs for president and gets hoisted on his own petard.

Are you really happy with Chicago FOP Lodge #7?

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2242 on: October 20, 2022, 05:31:17 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 20, 2022, 04:14:25 PM
For all the bitching about Trump and Evangelicals taking over the GOP, you had a non-culture warrior (who even expanded abortion access funding) and the Dem Criminal Cabal would not play. He started cutting and slashing and it was brutal and did not do anyone any good and still nothing. Now you get Bailey running and we will remain fucked once the COVID money runs out while JB runs for president and gets hoisted on his own petard.

Are you really happy with Chicago FOP Lodge #7?

I voted for Thompson, Topinka and Jim Ryan.  Almost voted for Edgar the first time around.  They were all moderate Republicans who understood the responsibility of governing and reaching across the aisle.     

By contrast, Rauner was a fat-cat, dismissive ideologue who held the state budget hostage for his union-busting agenda.  He drove the state into the ditch.  Good riddance.   
https://www.chicagoreporter.com/chicago-youth-take-the-hit-in-rauners-ideological-fight/
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2243 on: October 20, 2022, 06:05:16 PM »
Do you say holloween or Halloween? The former always makes me think of a rather shallow Ferlinghetti poem.

https://www.englishessaywritingtips.com/2012/10/halloween-holloween/
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2244 on: October 20, 2022, 06:08:12 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 20, 2022, 03:49:16 PM
Bull fucking shit.

The individual income tax rate in Illinois is 4.95%

The proposed brackets had the question passed...

For single and joint filers earning less than $250,000 per year, the first $10,000 would be taxed at 4.75%, then income between that and $100,000 would be taxed at 4.9%. From there, up to $250,000, the rate would be 4.95%, where it stands today.

The median household income in Illinois is $69,000. Someone making the median income would get a tax cut of $230 - roughly 8.2 lunches at Taco Bell using your FOX Business news math.

Median household income means that half of the households make less than this - by construction then, most people would get a tax cut. QED.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2245 on: October 20, 2022, 06:14:49 PM »
Tax Assessor: Bend over, you owe big dollars on that vacant mansion you purchased.

Prickster:  But it's uninhabitable..

Tax Assessor: Legally it's inhabitable.

Prickster: What if I remove the toilet seats?

Tax Assessor: That'll work.

Election Year Report: Prickster defrauded the county out of taxes by removing toilet seats.

Prickster: But I did what I was told ... fuck it, I'll pay the damn taxes.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2246 on: October 20, 2022, 07:31:59 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on October 20, 2022, 06:08:12 PM
The individual income tax rate in Illinois is 4.95%

The proposed brackets had the question passed...

For single and joint filers earning less than $250,000 per year, the first $10,000 would be taxed at 4.75%, then income between that and $100,000 would be taxed at 4.9%. From there, up to $250,000, the rate would be 4.95%, where it stands today.

The median household income in Illinois is $69,000. Someone making the median income would get a tax cut of $230 - roughly 8.2 lunches at Taco Bell using your FOX Business news math.

Median household income means that half of the households make less than this - by construction then, most people would get a tax cut. QED.

3 words for you California Prop 13 Boy:  property fucking taxes. I know it is tough for someone not living in IL, but it is how the schools and worthless shit like township government is funded here. Like I said, as they didn't prevent the local school board, library board, park district, from jacking up your taxes, you were not going to get enough support for this. No one trusted these fucks to do that.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2247 on: October 20, 2022, 07:35:45 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 20, 2022, 06:14:49 PM
Tax Assessor: Bend over, you owe big dollars on that vacant mansion you purchased.

Prickster:  But it's uninhabitable..

Tax Assessor: Legally it's inhabitable.

Prickster: What if I remove the toilet seats?

Tax Assessor: That'll work.

Election Year Report: Prickster defrauded the county out of taxes by removing toilet seats.

Prickster: But I did what I was told ... fuck it, I'll pay the damn taxes.

Poor billionaire... only paid it because he got caught. Fucking scum bag.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2248 on: October 20, 2022, 07:38:18 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on October 20, 2022, 05:31:17 PM
I voted for Thompson, Topinka and Jim Ryan.  Almost voted for Edgar the first time around.  They were all moderate Republicans who understood the responsibility of governing and reaching across the aisle.     

By contrast, Rauner was a fat-cat, dismissive ideologue who held the state budget hostage for his union-busting agenda.  He drove the state into the ditch.  Good riddance.   
https://www.chicagoreporter.com/chicago-youth-take-the-hit-in-rauners-ideological-fight/

I get it.  But do you really think Madigan and Cullerton would negotiate in good faith? I don't.  Big Jim, etc. would have had a tough time dealing with that crew. George Ryan obviously fit right in.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2249 on: October 20, 2022, 11:24:55 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 20, 2022, 07:38:18 PM
I get it.  But do you really think Madigan and Cullerton would negotiate in good faith? I don't.  Big Jim, etc. would have had a tough time dealing with that crew. George Ryan obviously fit right in.

When Rauner started to slash funding for social services, high-ed, local governments, schools, infrastructure, etc., the fight was on.  He managed to unite the various caucuses within the Democratic party.  Madigan and Cullerton barely had to lift a finger to organize the opposition.  Their existence didn’t even matter.  What happened to the labor movement in Wisconsin and Indiana wasn’t going to work in a state like Illinois, with its long and proud history of collective bargaining and labor organizing.   

Rauner should have played the long game.  First stop the hemorrhaging and splintering within the GOP party organization.  Recruit better candidates to run for office.  Work to elect more Republicans to the House and take control of the Senate.  That would have given him leverage to seek labor reforms down the road, probably in his second term.  Instead, he decided to blow up the state budgetary process in his first two years of office.   

Here’s another thing.  As you know, not all labor unions are in bed with the Democrats.  The construction trades, teamsters, electrical workers, plumbers and public safety unions tend to be more conservative and will support moderate Republicans.  Rauner’s sledgehammer approach left these unions with no place to go but to form an alliance with the AFL-CIO, AFSCME, UAW and Illinois Federation of Teachers.   

And we all know the rest of the story.   


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