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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2205 on: October 18, 2022, 10:09:17 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on October 18, 2022, 09:42:33 PM
I don't watch a lot of TV, so I've been able to escape most of it. Neither the districts I permanently reside in nor the one I am currently at have competitive races for statewide or congressional offices, but two competing ballot props legalizing sports betting are two of the most expensive elections ever. Basically one lets DraftKings do sports betting, one lets the Indians do sports betting. Both sides are running ads against the other side's props railing on the evils of gambling, that will be allowed by their own props.

What I can't wait for is the text messages to stop. You buy one BIDEN mask as a goof and your phone becomes a better vibrator than The Rabbit (TM)

You don't watch a lot of TV so you aren't seeing the ads destroying the defund the police assholes.

Abortion this abortion that worked sure sounded good in the summer. Problem is not everyone is shopping for an abortion, but they are shopping at the supermarket.

If turnout is good, they obviously have a good shot. If it is standard non presidential election turnout,  I'm skeptical.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2206 on: October 18, 2022, 10:10:58 PM »
Quote from: Custard on October 18, 2022, 10:04:35 PM
Still don’t understand why Herschel Walker being an actual candidate is even a thing. Politics are a joke.

Why not? Trump was president. JB Prtizker is Gov. Etc etc.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2207 on: October 18, 2022, 10:18:13 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 18, 2022, 10:10:58 PM
Why not? Trump was president. JB Prtizker is Gov. Etc etc.

Pritzker is way better than Rauner.

A political ad told me I should vote for Bailey because he is an expert at growing food and Pritzker is just rich.

Another said to vote against Pritzker because some professor was sexually trafficked as a young woman and forced to have abortions and Pritzker opposes parents.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2022, 01:26:57 PM by illiniray »
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2208 on: October 19, 2022, 06:54:59 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 18, 2022, 10:18:13 PM
Pritzker is way better than Rauner.

A political ad told me I should vote for Bailey because he is an expert at growing food and Pritzker is just rich.

Another said to vated against Pritzker because some professor was sexually trafficked as a young woman and forced to have abortions and Pritzker opposes parents.

Like Rauner had a chance with Madigan and his criminal cabal in charge.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2209 on: October 19, 2022, 10:48:39 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 19, 2022, 06:54:59 AM
Like Rauner had a chance with Madigan and his criminal cabal in charge.

Rauner only "barely" got elected in 2014 in a Republican wave year against a weak, unpopular incumbent (Pat Quinn) and then acted like he had some mandate from the people.  He desperately wanted to be the Illinois version of Scott Walker or Mike Pence.  He governed arrogantly and badly, and most people saw him as the rich phony he is.  Toss-up between who is the worst governor in my lifetime: Blagojevich or Rauner. 
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2210 on: October 19, 2022, 11:06:11 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 18, 2022, 09:59:29 PM
First, I mentioned that all of the races listed were winnable but that the GOP would probably win the majority of them.

Warnick is fine as a candidate. Will see how he does when it is an off election.   The rest, shaky at best.

Nothing wrong with Lamb either. Probably would have beaten Oz. If Fetterman is popular as you claim, he shouldn't be in a race at all with Oz.

You sure do love Lt. Governors. They don't do jack shit and no one knows who they even are.

Warnock won election to the Senate in a runoff. That's as "off election" as you can get.

Gavin Newsom has a 30% chance of being the Democratic nominee. He was groomed for Governor as Lt Gov.

Fetterman isn't in a race with Oz. The closest that race ever gets is 6 points, and when you get down to brass tacks, Fetterman's persona will enthuse his voters, people will vote *for* Fetterman. Nobody is voting *for* Oz - they are just voting against "The Democrat". That's not a recipe for success.

What's so amusing about this thread is you are saying that the *Democrats* are putting up bad candidates, when the GOP has trotted out Herschel Walker, Mehmet Oz, Blake Masters and JD Vance. Tim Ryan being close in Ohio is solely a function of Vance being despicable. Had the GOP found a full slate of "Adam Laxalt -  generic Republican", this could be a lot different. It is ironic, the rabid base that has elected the nutters would show up for "Generic Republican" but there are enough of them to defeat "Generic Republican" in the primary, so we are left with nutcases that depress Generic Republican turnout and can't win independents.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2211 on: October 19, 2022, 01:31:15 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 19, 2022, 06:54:59 AM
Like Rauner had a chance with Madigan and his criminal cabal in charge.

Rauner let our rural roads crumble and was in the process of shutting down bus service.

Newt Gingrich called him Rawner.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2212 on: October 19, 2022, 02:22:57 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 19, 2022, 01:31:15 PM
Rauner let our rural roads crumble and was in the process of shutting down bus service.

Newt Gingrich called him Rawner.

The state was bankrupt. Only Fed COVID money saved it. JB won't be able to remove all the toilets from state buildings to resolve financial issues. Isn't there a looming issue with fed unemployment loans coming due soon?
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2213 on: October 19, 2022, 05:36:43 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 19, 2022, 02:22:57 PM
The state was bankrupt. Only Fed COVID money saved it. JB won't be able to remove all the toilets from state buildings to resolve financial issues. Isn't there a looming issue with fed unemployment loans coming due soon?

Road construction started right after Pritzker took office in Jan 2019. 

Rauner's solution was to defund transportation.

Republicans spread lies to scare old people and defeat Pritzker's graduated tax amendment.

If Dems get blamed for inflation and crime; then Pritzker should get credit for budget surpluses. Republican dickheads should not be able to have it both ways.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2214 on: October 19, 2022, 06:51:09 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 19, 2022, 05:36:43 PM
Road construction started right after Pritzker took office in Jan 2019. 

Rauner's solution was to defund transportation.

Republicans spread lies to scare old people and defeat Pritzker's graduated tax amendment.

If Dems get blamed for inflation and crime; then Pritzker should get credit for budget surpluses. Republican dickheads should not be able to have it both ways.

Yeah, Rauner was trying to balance the books on his own since Madigan and Cullerton, one guilty of fraud the other soon to be be, weren't interested in helping.

Oh JFC, that fuck's tax amendment failed because be is a hypocritical fuck face with all his off shore trusts. And that tax avoiding piece of shit proposed a tax increase amendment with no resulting property tax decrease guarantee.

How long have you lived in Illinois? Hopefully the budget surplus lasts without fed help.

https://www.wifr.com/2022/09/27/illinois-paying-off-450-million-unemployment-insurance-fund-debt/

Still a ways to go and no guarantee of the ability to use fed funds to repay the feds.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2215 on: October 19, 2022, 07:11:53 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 19, 2022, 06:51:09 PM
How long have you lived in Illinois?

63 years, most of that as a Republican.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2216 on: October 19, 2022, 07:38:56 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 19, 2022, 07:11:53 PM
63 years, most of that as a Republican.

You should know better then
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2217 on: October 19, 2022, 07:47:37 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 19, 2022, 07:38:56 PM
You should know better then

George Ryan is a nice guy, but he was apparently almost as corrupt as the Daileys. Looking back, maybe guys like Ed Madigan and Jim Edgar were compromised too?

Pritzker > Bailey and it's not even close.

We once tried putting religious fanatics in charge. It got ugly. They called it the dark ages.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2218 on: October 19, 2022, 08:32:27 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 19, 2022, 06:51:09 PM
Yeah, Rauner was trying to balance the books on his own since Madigan and Cullerton, one guilty of fraud the other soon to be be, weren't interested in helping...

Rauner wasn’t interested in getting the state’s fiscal house in order.  He weaponized the state budget negotiations to achieve three anti-union goals:  turn Illinois into a right-to-work state, change laws affecting worker’s compensation and bust the teachers’ unions.  He thought he could peel off the Black caucus and progressives but ended up uniting the Democrats behind Madigan.   

The state went through a two-year budget impasse, and the backlog of unpaid bills grew to $16 billion under Rauner.  As Jim Edgar once said:  "Illinois government did work. But then we had bad luck with a couple of governors."
https://www.governing.com/archive/gov-illinois-rauner-budget-rating.html

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #2219 on: October 19, 2022, 08:47:27 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on October 19, 2022, 08:32:27 PM
Rauner wasn’t interested in getting the state’s fiscal house in order.  He weaponized the state budget negotiations to achieve three anti-union goals:  turn Illinois into a right-to-work state, change laws affecting worker’s compensation and bust the teachers’ unions.  He thought he could peel off the Black caucus and progressives but ended up uniting the Democrats behind Madigan.   

The state went through a two-year budget impasse, and the backlog of unpaid bills grew to $16 billion under Rauner.  As Jim Edgar once said:  "Illinois government did work. But then we had bad luck with a couple of governors."
https://www.governing.com/archive/gov-illinois-rauner-budget-rating.html

2 year budget impasse and 2 of the 3 people responsible indicted. Guess which ones. Hint: answer above in this thread.

Who didn't want to do what and why?

And let's not forget: Rauner was not a culture warrior wack job.
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