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WTF is up with this Clown World?

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4665 on: September 19, 2025, 12:18:07 PM »
Don't Trumpers benefit disproportionately from the social programs they hate?

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There is significant evidence that many counties with strong support for Donald Trump and the Republican Party are heavily reliant on social programs, such as Medicare, Social Security, and federal-level Medicaid benefits.

Disproportionate reliance on social safety net

Research from the Economic Innovation Group published in late 2024 revealed a strong correlation between voting patterns and reliance on government transfers.

The study found that Donald Trump received 63% of the vote among "significantly reliant counties," where at least a quarter of personal income comes from government transfers like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment benefits, and the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC).

In contrast, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris tended to perform better in counties with minimal reliance on government transfers.

Geographic and demographic factors
This pattern is driven by several demographic and geographic factors, with many rural areas that lean Republican showing a higher need for government assistance.

Older populations in rural areas: A 2025 analysis by the USDA found that rural counties have a higher proportion of older residents compared to urban areas, leading to increased reliance on federal benefits like Social Security and Medicare.

Persistent poverty: These high-dependency, often-rural counties have higher poverty rates and lower wages, making residents more reliant on the social safety net to make ends meet.

Medicaid reliance: A KFF Health News analysis found that more than two-thirds of the counties with the biggest growth in Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) between 2008 and 2025 had voted for Trump in the 2020 election.

Conflicting attitudes
Despite high rates of participation, many Republican voters express skepticism toward the same programs that benefit their communities.

Views on government aid: A Pew Research Center poll in mid-2024 found that Republicans are more likely than Democrats to say that government aid to the poor does more harm than good.

Skepticism toward welfare: A 2019 Cato Institute survey found that 68% of Republicans believe that welfare creates dependency, while 71% of Democrats think it helps people get back on their feet.

Republican Medicaid enrollees: A June 2025 KFF poll found that even among Republican enrollees in Medicaid, many were divided on whether the Trump administration's policies would ultimately strengthen or weaken the program, though majorities of Democrats and Independents thought it would be weakened.

Differing views on specific programs: While there are broad partisan differences regarding programs for the poor, Pew data from 2012 indicated that Democrats and Republicans use Social Security and Medicare at roughly equal rates. This may explain why support for these programs is strong across the political spectrum, even as Republicans are more critical of means-tested programs like food assistance.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4666 on: September 19, 2025, 12:38:44 PM »
Seriously though, if Kirk wasn't assassinated there wouldn't have been a GoFundMe.

It's a fund raising opportunity.
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« Reply #4667 on: September 19, 2025, 12:46:34 PM »
It's a fund raising opportunity.

Clearly Robinson was paid by Kirk's wife in order to generate some cash flow

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4670 on: September 19, 2025, 03:51:10 PM »
Last year I posted that anyone who had a good cause, I'd donate 50 bucks of my money and get Nvidia to match it.

Even Q97 gave me a worthwhile cause. Tempo - crickets. He can't even donate someone else's money!

Oh man is that ever some pure gold
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4671 on: September 19, 2025, 03:58:24 PM »
Keith Olbermann makes a good point:

"There are bigger issues in play. It is clear now that there were two different public Charlie Kirks. On the left we saw a slick but rather run-of-the-mill hate monger who mocked Democratic victims of political violence and wanted to see public executions. On the right, they literally never saw those videos. They only saw a 'beautiful man, armed only with a bible' preaching family values. How? Different social media feeds."

Seriously, I had heard of Kirk, but what little I knew of him came from secondary accounts. I gather that is true of most people on both sides.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4672 on: September 19, 2025, 04:55:03 PM »
Oh man is that ever some pure gold

You may be the top shitposter, but anyone can shitpost willy nilly. It takes real talent to be an equal opportunity shitposter

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4673 on: September 19, 2025, 04:57:38 PM »
Seriously, I had heard of Kirk, but what little I knew of him came from secondary accounts. I gather that is true of most people on both sides.

75% of the country barely knew who this guy was - but the 15% of the country that loved him really thinks that 75% needed to have a moment of silence for him and have flags at half staff.

75% is probably an understatement.

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4674 on: September 20, 2025, 12:12:58 AM »
There's no way that you've donated to any of those programs

I have. And I used to volunteer at a food shelter. And that’s not the fucking point, anyway. If you’re going to donate money, don’t donate it to fucking millionaires. That was the point. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4675 on: September 20, 2025, 12:14:22 AM »
Because he’s not getting it. Jealousy and envy are evil sins…

Seriously, STFU.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4676 on: September 20, 2025, 12:15:47 AM »
So you just wanna preach to others what to do with their money. Got it. Man, that sounds like a great way to live with others spending your money. I love your ideology! Now I can see why it’s failed!

They can do whatever the fuck they want, but giving it to people 40x richer than they are is fucking stupid. In fact, I think you should cut a $2,000 check to Charlie right now.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4677 on: September 20, 2025, 12:18:22 AM »
Then why you bitching about people deciding how to spend their money?

Hey, you want to give money to people who don’t need it? Have at it. Have a good time.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4678 on: September 20, 2025, 12:29:37 AM »
Seriously though, if Kirk wasn't assassinated there wouldn't have been a GoFundMe.

Seriously though, a GoFundMe is usually for funeral costs or medical costs. Why does someone in the top half of the top 1% need a GoFundMe? But by all means; send them your money, it’s yours. I was just trying to make a suggestion. Sorry I hurt so many feelings.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4679 on: September 20, 2025, 12:50:38 AM »
Keith Olbermann makes a good point:

"There are bigger issues in play. It is clear now that there were two different public Charlie Kirks. On the left we saw a slick but rather run-of-the-mill hate monger who mocked Democratic victims of political violence and wanted to see public executions. On the right, they literally never saw those videos. They only saw a 'beautiful man, armed only with a bible' preaching family values. How? Different social media feeds."

Seriously, I had heard of Kirk, but what little I knew of him came from secondary accounts. I gather that is true of most people on both sides.

Social media feeds are poison, and people should eschew them at all costs. Nothing is driving division and hatred moreso than the algorithms feeding you exactly what you want to see.
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