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WTF is up with this Clown World?

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4485 on: August 13, 2025, 12:45:17 PM »
dunno about that, but do know that if he were called to serve, he would find a way out. War is for suckers and losers.

People of means rarely fight in modern wars unless it’s existential in nature. While I’m appreciative of those who fought in Vietnam in a pointless conflict, I can also understand why people who had an out took it. Zero percent chance your kids would fight in a similar conflict—you’re too smart for that.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4486 on: August 13, 2025, 01:35:11 PM »
People of means rarely fight in modern wars unless it’s existential in nature. While I’m appreciative of those who fought in Vietnam in a pointless conflict, I can also understand why people who had an out took it. Zero percent chance your kids would fight in a similar conflict—you’re too smart for that.

well, there is some daylight between you, and Trump's public persona. He would never get up on stage and say that.

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4487 on: August 13, 2025, 03:04:55 PM »
Trump's lottery number in the 1968 draft lottery was 356. He wasn't going anywhere.

I am pretty sure that was the 1970 draft for dob 1944 to 1950. Trump had been exposed to the draft prior to that and received several deferments. It is not hard to look up.

"A lottery drawing – the first since 1942 – was held on December 1, 1969, at Selective Service National Headquarters in Washington, D.C. This event determined the order of call for induction during calendar year 1970; that is, for registrants born between January 1, 1944, and December 31, 1950"
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4488 on: August 13, 2025, 03:31:19 PM »
I am pretty sure that was the 1970 draft for dob 1944 to 1950. Trump had been exposed to the draft prior to that and received several deferments. It is not hard to look up.

"A lottery drawing – the first since 1942 – was held on December 1, 1969, at Selective Service National Headquarters in Washington, D.C. This event determined the order of call for induction during calendar year 1970; that is, for registrants born between January 1, 1944, and December 31, 1950"

Illiniray, I can help you. All you needed to do was ask.

Yes. Donald Trump received five draft deferments during the Vietnam War:

Four student deferments (while attending Fordham University and later the University of Pennsylvania, 1964–1968).

One medical deferment in 1968, classified as 1-Y (later 4-F) due to bone spurs in his heels.

That medical deferment kept him from being eligible for service unless in a national emergency, and it effectively exempted him from the draft.

I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do, illiniray. The thread I started should be used for questions such as these. This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error. Moderator, this thread can serve no purpose any more. It should be locked.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4489 on: August 13, 2025, 07:57:38 PM »
“Taking a trip? Where to?”  -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4490 on: August 14, 2025, 09:11:52 AM »
Hal,
Who received the most deferments and who received their medical deferment first, Joe Biden or Donald Trump ?

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4491 on: August 14, 2025, 10:25:21 AM »
Hal,
Who received the most deferments and who received their medical deferment first, Joe Biden or Donald Trump ?

But ..., wait for it, ... whatabout Joe Biden!
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4492 on: August 14, 2025, 10:33:45 AM »
But ..., wait for it, ... whatabout Joe Biden!
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4493 on: August 14, 2025, 10:39:13 AM »

Sorry, but unless you've posted this in other sites you're not included in the millions of social media users peddling "false and defamatory statements."

"millions of social media followers that have disseminated the false and defamatory statements therein to tens of millions of people worldwide."
"A source told Fox News that he did not meet the deadline."
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4494 on: August 14, 2025, 10:41:42 AM »
" It is not hard to look up. "

You're right this time. Rather than admit you were wrong about Trump, your reply was 'whatabout Joe?'
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4495 on: August 14, 2025, 11:02:55 AM »
You're right this time. Rather than admit you were wrong about Trump, your reply was 'whatabout Joe?'
I don't believe I was wrong. I had the incorrect year but I do remember where I was watching tv on the day of the lottery. Was Trump called by his draft board pre-draft lottery ?
If not, he was going nowhere.

Then Trump's draft number in the lottery also meant he was going nowhere.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4496 on: August 14, 2025, 11:49:06 AM »
Hal,
Who received the most deferments and who received their medical deferment first, Joe Biden or Donald Trump ?

Here’s the direct answer to your question:

Joe Biden and Donald Trump both received a total of five draft deferments during the Vietnam War era:

Joe Biden received five student deferments—while he was an undergraduate and later in law school—and then, in April 1968, was reclassified as 1-Y (available only in a national emergency) due to asthma as a teenager.

Donald Trump likewise received five deferments—four for educational purposes (college) and a fifth medical deferment based on bone spurs in his heels.

So the answer is that they received the same number of deferments—five each.

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Biden’s deferments:

Student deferments were common at the time for full-time undergraduates and graduate students.

His medical classification in 1968, 1-Y due to asthma, meant he could only be drafted in a national emergency—effectively exempting him from service.

Trump’s deferments:

He got four student deferments while attending Fordham University and the Wharton School, plus one medical deferment due to bone spurs.

His medical deferment has drawn scrutiny—he himself described the condition as "temporary" and "minor" and has been criticized for the ease with which it was obtained.

In short: neither received more deferments than the other—they both had five.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4497 on: August 14, 2025, 12:38:03 PM »
Here’s the direct answer to your question:

Joe Biden and Donald Trump both received a total of five draft deferments during the Vietnam War era:

Joe Biden received five student deferments—while he was an undergraduate and later in law school—and then, in April 1968, was reclassified as 1-Y (available only in a national emergency) due to asthma as a teenager.

Donald Trump likewise received five deferments—four for educational purposes (college) and a fifth medical deferment based on bone spurs in his heels.

So the answer is that they received the same number of deferments—five each.

Additional Context
Biden’s deferments:

Student deferments were common at the time for full-time undergraduates and graduate students.

His medical classification in 1968, 1-Y due to asthma, meant he could only be drafted in a national emergency—effectively exempting him from service.

Trump’s deferments:

He got four student deferments while attending Fordham University and the Wharton School, plus one medical deferment due to bone spurs.

His medical deferment has drawn scrutiny—he himself described the condition as "temporary" and "minor" and has been criticized for the ease with which it was obtained.

In short: neither received more deferments than the other—they both had five.

So Hal, why is it that only Trump’s get talked about in the media, and not Biden’s?!
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #4498 on: August 14, 2025, 12:44:53 PM »
So Hal, why is it that only Trump’s get talked about in the media, and not Biden’s?!

Judge Judy, I enjoy your TV show. Here is your answer:

The main reason you hear more about Donald Trump’s Vietnam draft deferments than Joe Biden’s is that the type of deferments, the circumstances behind them, and how they’ve been publicly discussed are very different — and that difference shapes media coverage.

Here’s the breakdown:

1. The nature of the deferments

Donald Trump: Received five deferments — four for education (common for college students at the time) and one for a medical reason (“bone spurs” in his heels). That last deferment has drawn attention because the bone spur diagnosis was reportedly given by a doctor whose daughters later said it was a favor to Trump’s father. This makes it a “story” in the sense that it raises questions about privilege and influence.

Joe Biden: Received five deferments — all for education while in college and law school — and then a medical deferment for asthma. Biden’s medical deferment is less frequently questioned because asthma is a documented, chronic condition and he had mentioned it in earlier contexts.

2. How the candidates themselves talk about it

Trump has made strong public statements about military service, criticizing others for avoiding it, which invites scrutiny of his own record.

Biden rarely criticizes others over military service in the same way, so the press hasn’t had the same “hypocrisy” angle to latch onto.

3. The political and narrative fit

Trump’s deferment story fits into broader media narratives about him benefiting from family wealth and privilege.

Biden’s deferments, while similar in count, don’t align as neatly with a “special treatment” or “hypocrisy” storyline in most reporters’ eyes.

4. Historical context
During the Vietnam era, student deferments were very common; millions of men received them. Medical deferments were also common, but ones perceived as questionable — especially when the person later downplays the war or criticizes others — tend to draw more attention.

If you strip away the political spin, both men had multiple deferments and avoided Vietnam, but Trump’s deferments — especially the bone spur one — have been treated as a richer “investigative” and “character” story for journalists.
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