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rank our last 5 coaches
« on: June 16, 2023, 09:46:29 AM »
kruger
self
weber
groce
underwood

how would you rank em? not HOW they did here but overall. who would be your #1 guy to your last choice?

mine?

Self
Kruger
Underwood
Weber
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2023, 09:58:34 AM »
Groce and Weber were both bad.  Groce was at least likeable.

Self and Kruger were both good - Guenther, to his credit, hired two straight HOF type coaches to replace the HOF coach he inherited.

Underwood, we'll see.  So far he's much closer to Self/Kruger than Weber/Groce, but the story isn't written yet.
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Re: rank our last 5 coaches
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2023, 10:38:55 AM »
Easy:

Self
Kruger
Underwood
Weber
Groce
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2023, 03:09:21 PM »
Unfortunately, Groce has 1 more win in 5 years overall than Underwood has since 2017. Puts a lot in perspective actually, might be a reason for our early tourney losses...(they do fall into the "overall winning % category).

95-75 Groce
94-66 Underwood

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Illinois_Fighting_Illini_men%27s_basketball_head_coaches#:~:text=Lou%20Henson%2C%20after%20a%2021,wins%20and%20only%2024%20losses).
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2023, 08:22:07 PM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on June 16, 2023, 03:09:21 PM
Unfortunately, Groce has 1 more win in 5 years overall than Underwood has since 2017. Puts a lot in perspective actually, might be a reason for our early tourney losses...(they do fall into the "overall winning % category).

95-75 Groce
94-66 Underwood

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Illinois_Fighting_Illini_men%27s_basketball_head_coaches#:~:text=Lou%20Henson%2C%20after%20a%2021,wins%20and%20only%2024%20losses).

I’d be willing to give Underwood a little slack on that as I think he inherited a worse situation than Groce did. Obviously Underwood’s first couple of years were rough.
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2023, 01:17:04 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 16, 2023, 08:22:07 PM
I’d be willing to give Underwood a little slack on that as I think he inherited a worse situation than Groce did. Obviously Underwood’s first couple of years were rough.

I would tend to agree as well...BU brought us back to be in conversations, Groce made everyone want to get from the table.
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2023, 04:20:07 AM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on June 16, 2023, 03:09:21 PM
Unfortunately, Groce has 1 more win in 5 years overall than Underwood has since 2017. Puts a lot in perspective actually, might be a reason for our early tourney losses...(they do fall into the "overall winning % category).

95-75 Groce
94-66 Underwood

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Illinois_Fighting_Illini_men%27s_basketball_head_coaches#:~:text=Lou%20Henson%2C%20after%20a%2021,wins%20and%20only%2024%20losses).

Also gotta think Covid affected Underwood and possible wins too
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2023, 01:31:53 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2023, 12:07:54 AM »
I'd have to drink a lot than I have today to even consider Groce v Underwood a fair discussion. What in the world.
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2023, 10:19:29 AM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on June 18, 2023, 12:07:54 AM
I'd have to drink a lot than I have today to even consider Groce v Underwood a fair discussion. What in the world.

Agreed but the numbers don't lie...circumstances are much different, BU has built us back up somewhat, but we still need to have tourney success.
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2023, 11:54:22 AM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on June 16, 2023, 03:09:21 PM
Unfortunately, Groce has 1 more win in 5 years overall than Underwood has since 2017. Puts a lot in perspective actually, might be a reason for our early tourney losses...(they do fall into the "overall winning % category).

95-75 Groce
94-66 Underwood

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Illinois_Fighting_Illini_men%27s_basketball_head_coaches#:~:text=Lou%20Henson%2C%20after%20a%2021,wins%20and%20only%2024%20losses).

That is missing this year
114–79 Underwood
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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2023, 12:16:14 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 18, 2023, 11:54:22 AM
That is missing this year
114–79 Underwood

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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2023, 09:05:49 AM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on June 18, 2023, 10:19:29 AM
Agreed but the numbers don't lie...circumstances are much different, BU has built us back up somewhat, but we still need to have tourney success.

The numbers don't lie, they just indicate that Underwood's notably better than Groce was, even using your incorrect numbers.

It was a four year stretch where Underwood won one fewer game than Groce did in his five years.
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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2023, 10:08:19 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 19, 2023, 09:05:49 AM
The numbers don't lie, they just indicate that Underwood's notably better than Groce was, even using your incorrect numbers.

It was a four year stretch where Underwood won one fewer game than Groce did in his five years.

Yes you are correct, as noted I acknowledged I had missed the final year, welcome to the party... ;D
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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2023, 10:26:09 AM »
This is fairly easy, but could change. I am not quite as high on LK as others. On recruiting here, it was not his fault he was locked out of the Chicago bonanza. He also does not deserve full credit for the central Illinois feast. Overall, his record reflects his full court pressure defense, transition offense system -- peaks and valleys.

If we based it on winning percentage, overall, at UI, in B1G, it looks a little different.

BS: .769 .765 .729
BU  .678 .591 .559
BW .622 .675 .578
LK  .609 .628 .576
JG: .596 .559 .411

In perceptions, LK gets bumped up to second for personality, style, class; the Bradford, Sergio, Frank, Cookie recruiting;  the 2 final fours, an E8, 2 S16s. The inconsistencies and mediocre overall record get overlooked.

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