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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2023, 07:58:18 AM »
Next time one of you geniuses credits Underwood for a kid leaving and not turning out that good, make sure you point it out.  There have been what, 5-8x as many of those?  And I’ve never seen someone give the staff credit for one.
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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2023, 08:28:56 AM »


8:21 mark, Coleman up to same things....shrugging arms on wing? Really think him and TSJ need to return and build themselves even more for a weaker class in 2024 draft.
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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2023, 09:05:00 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 19, 2023, 07:55:44 AM
We have no idea - your entire point is based on assumptions without any evidence supporting them.

He chose to leave.  He was not creaned, he made a decision for himself and his family and it turned out to be a good one.  We have no idea why and speculation - especially speculation from people who already dislike our coach about how he might’ve mishandled Podz - doesn’t do anybody any good.  We could’ve played him more, sure, at the risk of the conference title we won and with zero guarantee whatsoever it makes him stay.  I think that would’ve been an obvious dereliction of duty from our coach, though, whose job is to win basketball games.  There are going to be more guys like him, who have talent but aren't quite ready, and playing them at the risk of losing games in the hope that MAYBE they'll stay, even though playing time hasn't at all determined who transfers, is contrary to what the head coach's job is.

Like just think about what happened this year - we started a freshman PG who played much better than Podziemski did in his time here.  He was outplayed by another freshman who earned the starting job, causing the first kid to transfer.  Then the kid who we put in the starting lineup transferred too.  It just doesn't matter how much you play a kid - just look at the top of the portal rankings for more evidence of that.

Other guys weren’t tearing it up?  We won the fuckin’ league on the final play of the season, which we got to by winning 4 of our last 5 (two against ranked teams, two on the road).  THAT is the cost of playing a dude who was very clearly not ready.  The only conference title we've won since Deron Williams was on campus.

It makes sense that he saw himself behind those guys - he was worse than those guys here.

Why do you suspect the best offer he got as a transfer was Santa Clara?  Is it Underwood’s fault? Seems to me like a kid who made a decision to play at a lower level of competition and thrived there, earning a look at the pro level.  I don’t see a negative there unless I’m really determined to find one.


TL;DR.

We sucked at the end of last year. Did you even watch the tourney?

It was Kofi and pray Plummer had a big game and the rest were broke.

But your buddy continued his streak of being 0 for second weekend.
I think he is on 7 now.








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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2023, 09:15:11 AM »
We were so terrible we won four of five, two on the road and two against ranked teams, to clinch the conference title on the final play.  "We sucked during that stretch" is literal Truth level logic, it's the same shit he does trying to claim victory - and remember, Truth actively wants Illinois basketball to be bad.  Just ignore the results and pretend with me.  Couldn't make it up.

Now, could we have passed on the conference title and played Podziemski more, hoping he MIGHT both stay and become an NBA player who left the next year?  Yeah, we could've.  That would've been completely contrary to Brad Underwood's job description though.

Just look at the top of the portal rankings.  Kel'el Ware played 16 mpg at Oregon and left.  JJ Starling played 30 mpg at Notre Dame and left.  Julian Phillips played 24mpg at Tennessee and left.  Brandon Murray has played 30+mpg at two separate schools in two years and has left both of them.  We started two different true freshmen at point guard this year, both played 24+ mpg, both left.  It doesn't matter how many minutes you play a guy, you're just crossing your fingers and hoping no matter what.  And losing games - potentially losing the only conference title we've won since the F4 year - is not worth the hope that maybe if you play a guy who isn't ready more, he won't leave.

If Underwood starts losing more because he's playing the freshmen in the hope they don't leave, will you say "well at least he's trying to keep the young guys"?  Or will you use the losing as more evidence about Hulka?  Do you give him credit for letting Curbelo, Alan Griffin, Adam Miller leave, or does he exclusively get blame on the rare occasions someone leaves and is good?

You guys act like I'm heavily invested in Brad Underwood.  The truth is that I'm not - I'm heavily invested in Illinois basketball continuing to be a nationally competitive and relevant program, which we were not for a lot of years until we hired him, and now have been for four consecutive years.  If we fall off and stop being that, I will fully support firing him.  Turning on him for stupid shit despite him having turned us from a every year watching-at-home team to an every year in-the-tournament team - we had missed 7 of 10 tournaments when we hired him, and just had our fourth consecutive tournament quality team in his sixth year here - is a really good way for us to go back to being the program we were between Self and Underwood, and I don't know about you but those years where we actually sucked were way fucking worse than the year we "sucked" but still won the Big Ten.
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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2023, 01:19:44 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 19, 2023, 09:15:11 AM
We were so terrible we won four of five, two on the road and two against ranked teams, to clinch the conference title on the final play.  "We sucked during that stretch" is literal Truth level logic, it's the same shit he does trying to claim victory - and remember, Truth actively wants Illinois basketball to be bad.  Just ignore the results and pretend with me.  Couldn't make it up.

Now, could we have passed on the conference title and played Podziemski more, hoping he MIGHT both stay and become an NBA player who left the next year?  Yeah, we could've.  That would've been completely contrary to Brad Underwood's job description though.

Just look at the top of the portal rankings.  Kel'el Ware played 16 mpg at Oregon and left.  JJ Starling played 30 mpg at Notre Dame and left.  Julian Phillips played 24mpg at Tennessee and left.  Brandon Murray has played 30+mpg at two separate schools in two years and has left both of them.  We started two different true freshmen at point guard this year, both played 24+ mpg, both left.  It doesn't matter how many minutes you play a guy, you're just crossing your fingers and hoping no matter what.  And losing games - potentially losing the only conference title we've won since the F4 year - is not worth the hope that maybe if you play a guy who isn't ready more, he won't leave.

If Underwood starts losing more because he's playing the freshmen in the hope they don't leave, will you say "well at least he's trying to keep the young guys"?  Or will you use the losing as more evidence about Hulka?  Do you give him credit for letting Curbelo, Alan Griffin, Adam Miller leave, or does he exclusively get blame on the rare occasions someone leaves and is good?

You guys act like I'm heavily invested in Brad Underwood.  The truth is that I'm not - I'm heavily invested in Illinois basketball continuing to be a nationally competitive and relevant program, which we were not for a lot of years until we hired him, and now have been for four consecutive years.  If we fall off and stop being that, I will fully support firing him.  Turning on him for stupid shit despite him having turned us from a every year watching-at-home team to an every year in-the-tournament team - we had missed 7 of 10 tournaments when we hired him, and just had our fourth consecutive tournament quality team in his sixth year here - is a really good way for us to go back to being the program we were between Self and Underwood, and I don't know about you but those years where we actually sucked were way fucking worse than the year we "sucked" but still won the Big Ten.

Baghdad Bob, it’s easier to win college basketball games when you give playing time to NBA players.

Pretty simple.

Don’t worry.  Illinois will suck without NBA level talent,  and you’re gonna see it next season when they have 0 NBA picks on the team. 

Continues to believe that playing 5th year guys over freshmen NBA players is good for the program.  It’s a good way to never recruit another NBA talent out of HS ever again.

And Illinois was 2-12 last year vs Q1.  They weren’t “relevant”.
 
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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2023, 01:21:59 PM »
The B1G Conference Title Canard over and over again....NGAF except for Illini fans since can't win on Sat or Sunday in The Tourney.
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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2023, 01:22:35 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on May 19, 2023, 01:19:44 PM
Baghdad Bob, it’s easier to win college basketball games when you give playing time to NBA players.

Pretty simple.

Don’t worry.  Illinois will suck without NBA level talent,  and you’re gonna see it next season when they have 0 NBA picks on the team. 

Continues to believe that playing 5th year guys over freshmen NBA players is good for the program.  It’s a good way to never recruit another NBA talent out of HS ever again.

And Illinois was 2-12 last year vs Q1.  They weren’t “relevant”.

We're all going to be impressed at your fifth year of bad predictions in a row, surely.
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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2023, 01:23:57 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 19, 2023, 01:21:59 PM
The B1G Conference Title Canard over and over again....NGAF except for Illini fans since can't win on Sat or Sunday in The Tourney.

It was a thing everybody cared about until we finally won one and the goalposts moved, then it was suddenly worthy of mockery to be happy that we won our league and hung a banner.  Just ignore the success in the larger sample size and exclusively judge a coach based on a single elimination tournament - just makes perfect sense.  If you're a moron like Truth, that is.  Which at this point it seems like you kind of are.

The notion that winning your conference doesn't matter is beyond idiotic.  Why even watch the games before the tournament then?  Maybe you don't, that'd actually make a whole lot of sense.

You guys deserve Truth to win his bet with me.  He's exactly the type of poster that thrives here.  That isn't a compliment.
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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2023, 01:27:03 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 19, 2023, 01:23:57 PM
It was a thing everybody cared about until we finally won one and the goalposts moved, then it was suddenly worthy of mockery to be happy that we won our league and hung a banner.  Just ignore the success in the larger sample size and exclusively judge a coach based on a single elimination tournament - just makes perfect sense.  If you're a moron like Truth, that is.

The notion that winning your conference doesn't matter is beyond idiotic.  Why even watch the games before the tournament then?  Maybe you don't, that'd actually make a whole lot of sense.

The games before the Tourney are basically play in games, moron. You said so yourself that the Illini were comfortably in based on their regular season record. But, keep caring about B1G titles instead of the shit that matters, dork.
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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2023, 01:28:57 PM »
Yep, the 35 games you play leading up to the tournament are nothing more than meaningless play-in games, there's actually only 1-6 games that matter in any given year.

The dumbest possible way to watch college basketball, holy smokes.  What the fuck happened to you?  It's like you come here every day trying to prove to Truth of all people, NO, -I- am the dumbest poster here.

Hanging conference banners matters to me.  Maybe you're a moron who doesn't pay attention for the first 35 games of the year, but others of us aren't that stupid.  Like, at the old HQ you were a reasonable person.  You trolled sometimes, but you also made lots of posts that weren't like, over-the-top level dumb.  You seem to have totally dropped that here on HQ2, and now 100% of your posts are of the remarkably stupid trolling variety. I don't really get it - what do you get out of turning into Truth all of a sudden?
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« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2023, 01:29:13 PM »
I don't know why Podz bothered with college.
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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2023, 01:34:57 PM »
Are there only four college football teams that play a game that matters at all?
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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2023, 01:44:45 PM »
There are part time fans that only pay attention to the Superbowl, the prestigious college bowl games,  the Final Four, the World Series...

Then there are serious fans who care about winning important stuff like the recruiting rankings.
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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2023, 02:23:40 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on May 19, 2023, 01:29:13 PM
I don't know why Podz bothered with college.

Dumb kid.
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« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2023, 02:34:28 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 19, 2023, 01:28:57 PM

The dumbest possible way to watch college basketball, holy smokes.  What the fuck happened to you?  It's like you come here every day trying to prove to Truth of all people, NO, -I- am the dumbest poster here.

Hanging conference banners matters to me.  Maybe you're a moron who doesn't pay attention for the first 35 games of the year, but others of us aren't that stupid.  Like, at the old HQ you were a reasonable person.  You trolled sometimes, but you also made lots of posts that weren't like, over-the-top level dumb.  You seem to have totally dropped that here on HQ2, and now 100% of your posts are of the remarkably stupid trolling variety. I don't really get it - what do you get out of turning into Truth all of a sudden?

Lol
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