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2023 2.0 Portal Thread

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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #435 on: June 02, 2023, 08:19:23 AM »
EDIT.

I don't like what is being implied out there.
That Williams is being brought in to start and he is "healthy". I like the pickup but we are counting on a guy recovering from an Achilles injury to run the team?

Also now being stated that Woodbury is not eligible per NCAA and was denied a waiver.


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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #436 on: June 02, 2023, 08:46:04 AM »
Depends what you mean "run the team", I suppose.  I expect Shannon and Hawkins to "run the team" mostly.  I think having two unquestioned upper classman leaders who have played for Illinois and bought into the coaching staff will go a long way.

I'd like a distributor on offense but I also don't necessarily think it's a make or break thing like some do.  I don't think us not getting good PG play was really the biggest issue last year - there was nothing stopping the guys we had from running offense, they just mostly didn't.  That's the biggest change that needs to happen, ball movement from all five guys on the court.  I think that will come with chemistry - at least I hope.  Obviously a repeat of the poor chemistry from last year would be very concerning.

One thing I like of what I've seen from Williams is he seems like a dog on defense.

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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #437 on: June 02, 2023, 08:52:38 AM »
Oh, if Williams can guard like he used to I like him for sure. But we need a legit PG to get into sets, but we never had one when Ayo was here so it can work.

The other thing being stated is they are on Reeves from Kentucky.

Kind of have to say staff is all over the map right now.

Went all in on pure point guard and now we can get by without one.

We do have a better roster overall than last year.

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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #438 on: June 02, 2023, 08:56:49 AM »
I'm not sure how Reeves fits but he's a baller for sure.  He would immediately be one of our two or three most talented players regardless of position.  Can shoot the rock, too.  I wouldn't complain if we got him.

I think people really, really oversell the "we desperately need a pure PG" thing because of last year, and I think the PG thing is to some degree an excuse for the lack of chemistry that was really the issue last year.  We definitely need someone to handle the ball and get us into sets but that's something a Shannon or Reeves can do just fine, even if they don't rack up big assist numbers.  Also in theory, if Williams is healthy, he's exactly the guy we're talking about - gets some good assists numbers, 2-1 A/TO, guards his ass off.  It seems like half of our fans are like "we don't need a guy to score a bunch at the 1" and the other half are like "but Williams sucks, he can't score!"  The biggest thing, obviously, is can he get healthy.

The bigger thing IMO is buy in from all the guys on the roster, playing for their teammates, etc.  I expect Shannon and Hawkins to set the tone on that - those guys seem all in on our program - which they obviously struggled / failed to do last year.  I hope our new guys have different mindsets than Skyy and Mayer did.

It's funny but a year ago we thought we were absolutely set at PG.  We weren't.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #439 on: June 02, 2023, 09:07:33 AM »
EDIT.

I don't like what is being implied out there.
That Williams is being brought in to start and he is "healthy". I like the pickup but we are counting on a guy recovering from an Achilles injury to run the team?

Also now being stated that Woodbury is not eligible per NCAA and was denied a waiver.

It'd be legitimately insane if the NCAA denied him a waiver.  He missed an entire regular season with a knee injury.

Whether that means playing for us or not, the dude should be able to play next year IMO.

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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #440 on: June 02, 2023, 10:10:08 AM »
It'd be legitimately insane if the NCAA denied him a waiver.  He missed an entire regular season with a knee injury.

Whether that means playing for us or not, the dude should be able to play next year IMO.

Woodbury played 2 games that season -- in March for their conference tournament. The rule is clear.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #441 on: June 02, 2023, 10:11:53 AM »
Yes, 2 games.

The rule is clear, and waivers are often given for seasons where guys played more games.

It's absolute crazy talk to deny him another year.  Given all the insane, inconsistent decisions the NCAA makes nothing would surprise me obviously but he should definitely get another year of college basketball.

Obviously the rules being clear has never mattered in college athletics, only whether rules are enforced.  The rule making it illegal for NIL deals to be pay-for-play is clear too, but here we are.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #442 on: June 02, 2023, 10:47:29 AM »
I’m just gonna wait until January 16th and see what things look like before I make any conclusions…
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #443 on: June 02, 2023, 11:29:06 AM »
If Williams is healthy, this should be a very strong defensive team that struggles on offense. 

Antonio Reeves seems like a guy who could help the offense.

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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #444 on: June 02, 2023, 12:02:34 PM »
I’m just gonna wait until January 16th and see what things look like before I make any conclusions…

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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #445 on: June 02, 2023, 04:31:01 PM »
The injury must be season ending. It is when he played, not how many games. They burnt his medical redshirt when they brought him back for the conference tournament. His issue is with his coaches, not the NCAA. 
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #446 on: June 02, 2023, 05:45:10 PM »
If Williams is healthy, this should be a very strong defensive team that struggles on offense. 

Antonio Reeves seems like a guy who could help the offense.

I think with or without a healthy Williams this team will be better on both sides of the ball.
Hard to say how much but we were really hard to watch last year.
Won enough to make tourney and had a couple really big wins, but were brutal most games for long stretches.
I am looking forward to this year.




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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #447 on: June 02, 2023, 05:53:46 PM »
I think with or without a healthy Williams this team will be better on both sides of the ball.
Hard to say how much but we were really hard to watch last year.
Won enough to make tourney and had a couple really big wins, but were brutal most games for long stretches.
I am looking forward to this year.

Hopefully you watch all the games and don't leave the board if there is a rough stretch.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #448 on: June 02, 2023, 06:28:42 PM »
Hopefully you watch all the games and don't leave the board if there is a rough stretch.

I am assuming you are being facetious.
I did not take a break from this board due to the basketball.

We had two full blown highly dysfunctional disturbed personality disorders trolling every thread and members daily.

Actually enjoyed actual basketball discussion on other forums and followed basketball and the team like I have for decades.
You have no idea how involved I have been with the game over the years.



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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #449 on: June 02, 2023, 07:05:27 PM »
I am assuming you are being facetious.
I did not take a break from this board due to the basketball.

We had two full blown highly dysfunctional disturbed personality disorders trolling every thread and members daily.

Actually enjoyed actual basketball discussion on other forums and followed basketball and the team like I have for decades.
You have no idea how involved I have been with the game over the years.

Yes, I was being facetious.
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