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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #390 on: May 30, 2023, 09:46:23 PM »
Bold prediction and Dom will be gone if he honors the bet…

TSJ and Hawkins will be back, and RayJ will commit as well. Book it.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #391 on: May 31, 2023, 12:30:56 AM »
Quote from: Dominic on May 30, 2023, 08:04:39 PM
Why don’t you list how many 5th year seniors have been drafted on the 1st round oh say the last 10 years?

Makes zero sense for either to come back even Hawkins. Hawkins can look at Dawson Garcia as a guy that tanked his draft value by staying in school

Why don't you look it up so you can actually have some facts for once to make yet another wild statement/wager/dumb comment.

2024 draft actually makes it make perfect sense for both to come back, which they will do tomorrow, be gone little man, be gone....
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #392 on: May 31, 2023, 07:53:38 AM »
I doubt either are going to be first round picks.

Dom's obviously being dumb (water is obviously being wet), as a lot has changed over the last 3-4 years - a 5th year guy who didn't get a free COVID year and can't get NIL money is obviously weighing different factors - but if they are expecting to come back and have their draft stock go up, that's not very likely to happen.

I think what's more likely is they come back, pull probably a pretty damn big paycheck for another year of school, try the draft again next year and pull a nice pro basketball paycheck overseas somewhere (or, if they're bullish on the NBA, pull a really small paycheck in the G-League).
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #393 on: May 31, 2023, 08:41:26 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 31, 2023, 07:53:38 AM
I doubt either are going to be first round picks.

If they are expecting to come back and have their draft stock go up, that's not very likely to happen.


Agreed, except with this point, the 2024 draft is already being talked about being one of the weakest. Of course things change, players will burst onto the scene, but even if they both come back, I still think they have 100% chance to move up, if strictly because the pond is smaller, they become bigger fish if you will.

Moving up to high 2nd rd with guaranteed $$$ is still moving up from where they are now, right?
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #394 on: May 31, 2023, 09:31:15 AM »
They will be another year older in the 2024 draft, and their age is already hurting them in the 2023 draft.

The chances an upperclassman comes back and his draft stock goes up is very small.  Not that it's never happened, I know Kansas had the guy recently, but it's really unlikely.  Even if 2024 is the weakest draft ever, there will be similar players that are 19-21 instead of 22-24.

Nobody really knows where they are right now, so impossible to say on your last question.  Any second round pick you're on the mercy of the team as to whether you get a guarantee.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #395 on: May 31, 2023, 09:53:03 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 31, 2023, 09:31:15 AM
They will be another year older in the 2024 draft, and their age is already hurting them in the 2023 draft.

The chances an upperclassman comes back and his draft stock goes up is very small.  Not that it's never happened, I know Kansas had the guy recently, but it's really unlikely.  Even if 2024 is the weakest draft ever, there will be similar players that are 19-21 instead of 22-24.

Nobody really knows where they are right now, so impossible to say on your last question.  Any second round pick you're on the mercy of the team as to whether you get a guarantee.

Fair enough, although I do believe like the 1st 10 picks into the 2nd ususally get a 2 year guaranteed $$ contract, some past that point can as well, although not normally.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #396 on: May 31, 2023, 09:57:29 AM »
They have tended to get guarantees lately, yeah (that's relatively new) - but teams are not compelled to guarantee you anything in the second round.  It's up to them.

A lot of Illini fans have been selling that the first 10 picks in the second round get a guaranteed contract and that isn't true.  Lately they have been offered that more often than not, but that is up to the team who drafts them.  The only true guarantee is getting picked in the first round, after that nothing is promised.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #397 on: May 31, 2023, 10:06:40 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 31, 2023, 09:57:29 AM
They have tended to get guarantees lately, yeah (that's relatively new) - but teams are not compelled to guarantee you anything in the second round.  It's up to them.

A lot of Illini fans have been selling that the first 10 picks in the second round get a guaranteed contract and that isn't true.  Lately they have been offered that more often than not, but that is up to the team who drafts them.  The only true guarantee is getting picked in the first round, after that nothing is promised.

Agreed, we will see, either way the 3 will play one more year here IMO.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #398 on: May 31, 2023, 11:52:48 AM »

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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #399 on: May 31, 2023, 05:20:21 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on May 30, 2023, 07:05:36 PM

Sparky’s wet bc Derek Piper said Shannon was a 7 on coming back.

Here’s what’s gonna happen:

**Shannon will go to the NBA.  Why? Bc he’s a top 45 pick. And 5th year players don’t gain anything from staying in college. But insiders will say “well he told the staff he was coming back, we made him a great offer” - just regular nonsense. Listen to me. I’m right.  They are wrong.  The end.

**Hawkins will also go to the NBA. Why? Bc he hates college. And he’s worked out for a ton of NBA teams.  And Guerrier coming confirmed he was gone  Insiders will give him the Kofi treatment.  Saying he made a bad decision.

**Dennis will go to Baylor.  Why? Bc he’s visited there twice.

3/3 and really easy logical predictions

Dennis is go to Baylor.
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And it ain’t looking good for Sparky on TSJ.

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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #400 on: May 31, 2023, 05:36:15 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on May 31, 2023, 05:20:21 PM
Dennis is go to Baylor.
1 down

And it ain’t looking good for Sparky on TSJ.

Actually don't see Baylor being a better fit....maybe for a development type of guard 2-3 years, but a 1 year ball out option...ILLINI is better in terms of value to player and vice versus.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #401 on: May 31, 2023, 05:53:47 PM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on May 31, 2023, 05:36:15 PM
Actually don't see Baylor being a better fit....maybe for a development type of guard 2-3 years, but a 1 year ball out option...ILLINI is better in terms of value to player and vice versus.

Maybe he'd rather risk getting shot by a teammate instead of getting yelled at by Underachiever?
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #402 on: May 31, 2023, 05:56:51 PM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on May 31, 2023, 05:36:15 PM
Actually don't see Baylor being a better fit....maybe for a development type of guard 2-3 years, but a 1 year ball out option...ILLINI is better in terms of value to player and vice versus.

No they aren’t.
Baylor has far better coaching.
Baylor has far better surrounding talent.
Baylor has put far more guys into the NBA.

Just look at Matthew Mayer.  You think he helped himself leaving Baylor to come to Illinois?  He didn’t even get invited to the combine and that’s with Underwood letting him do whatever he wanted here.



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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #403 on: May 31, 2023, 07:30:54 PM »
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« Reply #404 on: May 31, 2023, 08:23:03 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on May 31, 2023, 05:56:51 PM
No they aren’t.
Baylor has far better coaching.
Baylor has far better surrounding talent.
Baylor has put far more guys into the NBA.

Just look at Matthew Mayer.  You think he helped himself leaving Baylor to come to Illinois?  He didn’t even get invited to the combine and that’s with Underwood letting him do whatever he wanted here.

He didn't get invited to combine because he was all Monster'd out, they knew they couldn't contain the guy, BU was, just the facilitator, Mayer helped us and hurt us, Mayer helped himself in some ways but really hurt himself in others.
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