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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #1095 on: July 14, 2023, 01:11:13 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 01:03:39 PM
I love the fact that Spark just bases his comments off of his assumption that Self’s ego is the size of Mount Everest. Like Self isn’t human. He’s just an egobot who’s only satisfaction is derived from status.

You simply cannot have an honest discussion, huh?

Every post you ignore what I say and tell me what I think.  Like a dozen times already today.

How about you try for the rest of this discussion to avoid including anything in your posts that I didn't say or imply, or any interpretation of my comments outside of what I actually wrote.  No strawmen.  Can you even do that?
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #1096 on: July 14, 2023, 01:13:38 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 14, 2023, 01:07:53 PM
And zero gain.  Zip.  Zero nada.

Now we're back to where we started, Self may or may not be 'flattered' that we asked, and the point of doing this was .... ?

Should we text K too?  Roy?  Izzo?  Anything less would be knowing that we didn't take the biggest swing we could take, right?  At what point is it rational to stop taking the swings with 0% success rate and start swinging at something we might actually hit?

Do you fucking even read what I write?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #1097 on: July 14, 2023, 01:15:32 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 01:13:38 PM
Do you fucking even read what I write?

Yep, and try to respond to it even though it's - as is typical - totally separate from the shit I am actually saying.

Did you not say that the benefit is "knowing we took the biggest swing we could"?  Why would we stop at Self, if that's the goal of the thing?  There are other giant swings we could take with the same likelihood of success.

If that isn't the goal of texting him, then what is?
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« Reply #1098 on: July 14, 2023, 01:16:17 PM »
Apparently Spark missed this one.

Quote from: Tempo34 a on July 14, 2023, 11:09:03 AM
Again. The reason I say ask Self is because there is a personal connection there. It’s not like I’d say ask Izzo or Roy Williams.

Reminds me of a time an adorable little girl gave me her prized bag of bubble gum because we made a good connection on an afternoon I was hanging out with her mother and family. Obviously, as a grown man I wasn’t interested in a 5 year old girl. But it was still touching. And yes, funny!

Who knows, maybe Self in much the same way would get a laugh, but ALSO be flattered. Much like I was. Of course not. Because Self is a robot witht nothing but disdain and contempt for Illinois. We are soooo beneath him! Of course he’d laugh at us! Would probably share the message on Twitter to embarrass us!
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1099 on: July 14, 2023, 01:17:47 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 01:16:17 PM
Apparently Spark missed this one.

Okay, let's say you're totally right.

Self is flattered we asked.

What did we get out of it?  Don't say "knowing we took the biggest swing we could" because you acknowledged in your post you're not interested in all the biggest swings, only Self.  And it's more or less, give or take a few tenths of a percent, just as likely Coach K comes and coaches us as Self.

By not texting K or Roy, aren't you not taking the biggest swing you could?

There are some swings out there of reasonable size that, were we in the need to, we could swing at and have more than 0% chance of hitting.

Do you think Self would consider coming back?  Yes or no?
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #1100 on: July 14, 2023, 01:19:00 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 14, 2023, 12:39:03 PM
Do you think Bill Self would have any interest at all in coming back to Illinois to coach?

Probably not. But maybe you can catch him at a time when he’s stressed about the off court issues at KU. Unrealistic expectations or feeling unappreciated. It’s an incredibly minute chance. But we have a history with the guy. No harm done reaching out. None. Nada. Zip. Zero.

He could come here with lower expectations and still crush. AGAIN…not saying that is at all likely. But you hit on exactly zero percent of the shots you do not take.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #1101 on: July 14, 2023, 01:19:25 PM »
You're right though, I DID miss that one where you had previously undercut the "biggest swing we can" thing.  You reply to each of my posts like three or four times, some are bound to get missed.
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« Reply #1102 on: July 14, 2023, 01:20:03 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 01:19:00 PM
Probably not. But maybe you can catch him at a time when he’s stressed about the off court issues at KU. Unrealistic expectations or feeling unappreciated. It’s an incredibly minute chance. But we have a history with the guy. No harm done reaching out. None. Nada. Zip. Zero.

He could come here with lower expectations and still crush. AGAIN…not saying that is at all likely. But you hit on exactly zero percent of the shots you do not take.

So it seems maybe the thing here is actually that you think there's a chance he says yes.

And THIS is why you were made fun of.

Self is not coming back here.

As for the last line - well then why not shoot at K and Roy too?  You go on and on about the biggest swing, missing all the shots you don't take - if that's the logic, then why stop at Self?
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #1103 on: July 14, 2023, 01:20:24 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 14, 2023, 01:17:47 PM
Okay, let's say you're totally right.

Self is flattered we asked.

What did we get out of it?  Don't say "knowing we took the biggest swing we could" because you acknowledged in your post you're not interested in all the biggest swings, only Self.  And it's more or less, give or take a few tenths of a percent, just as likely Coach K comes and coaches us as Self.

By not texting K or Roy, aren't you not taking the biggest swing you could?

There are some swings out there of reasonable size that, were we in the need to, we could swing at and have more than 0% chance of hitting.

Do you think Self would consider coming back?  Yes or no?

For the 18th time. We get the satisfaction of knowing we took the biggest swing we could take. And the harm to the program is: Zip. Zero. Nada.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #1104 on: July 14, 2023, 01:21:40 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 14, 2023, 01:20:03 PM
So it seems maybe the thing here is actually that you think there's a chance he says yes.

And THIS is why you were made fun of.

Self is not coming back here.

A very very remote chance. When the harm done is literally: Zip. Zero. Nada. I have no problem sending that message.
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« Reply #1105 on: July 14, 2023, 01:21:53 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 01:20:24 PM
For the 18th time. We get the satisfaction of knowing we took the biggest swing we could take. And the harm to the program is: Zip. Zero. Nada.

Ah, the satisfaction of knowing we took the biggest swing we could (as long as you ignore all the big swings we didn't take).
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« Reply #1106 on: July 14, 2023, 01:22:53 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 01:21:40 PM
A very very remote chance. When the harm done is literally: Zip. Zero. Nada. I have no problem sending that message.

And the gain is the same as the harm done, as has been mentioned.  You get nothing out of it.  It's a thing you're arguing for your own sake, not the program's - because the program gains literally nothing from it.

The AD could certainly lose some respect for it in CBB coaching circles.  I'm sure you'll scoff at the idea because you think this is 2K, but it's a hell of a lot more likely than Self saying yes.

I don't have any problem with sending the text and getting a no.  As you've mentioned, no harm done.  I don't get the weird insistence that we should do that, though, because there's also no gain to be had.  Self is not coming to coach here again.
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« Reply #1107 on: July 14, 2023, 01:23:17 PM »
Did anyone see Germany reuniting 30 years ago? No…never say never.
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« Reply #1108 on: July 14, 2023, 01:24:42 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 01:23:17 PM
Did anyone see Germany reuniting 30 years ago? No…never say never.

Then why are we not texting all the best living coaches?

Never say never.  Gotta take the biggest swing you can.  Miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
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« Reply #1109 on: July 14, 2023, 01:24:52 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 14, 2023, 01:22:53 PM
And the gain is the same as the harm done, as has been mentioned.  You get nothing out of it.  It's a thing you're arguing for your own sake, not the program's - because the program gains literally nothing from it.


And loses nothing from it. Except for some guy on the Internet would find the theoretical rejection embarrassing.
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