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« Reply #630 on: May 24, 2023, 10:35:38 AM »

To borrow from Spark, exactly nowhere have I said that every kid from Illinois dreams of playing for the Illini.

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« Reply #631 on: May 24, 2023, 10:37:06 AM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 10:34:07 AM

Expecting that there’s a good chance a suburban 3 star midmajor player might fancy playing for Illinois isn’t “bias.” It’s reality.

It's an assumption you're making with literally zero evidence whatsoever. Just pure projection. You have NO idea what RayJ Dennis thought about Illinois growing up, or what he thinks about them now - same with his parents. You and I just don't have any way to know that.

Is it possible he grew up a big Illinois fan and wanted to go there? For sure, definitely possible, as I've said a bunch of times. Is it possible he grew up in an era when Illinois basketball missed 7/10 tournaments and doesn't really care that much one way or the other about Illinois basketball? Yeah, that's possible too. The issue is you only are willing to consider one of those two things, whereas you find it worthy of mockery to acknowledge that we simply have no way of knowing.

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« Reply #632 on: May 24, 2023, 10:38:23 AM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 10:35:38 AM

To borrow from Spark, exactly nowhere have I said that every kid from Illinois dreams of playing for the Illini.

You have simply assumed that this kid did. If he didn't, why is this such a bad look?

We're not talking about some nebulous generic "suburban kid". We are talking about RayJ Dennis.

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« Reply #633 on: May 24, 2023, 10:39:10 AM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 10:32:47 AM

Making up stances for other people and then beating them up IS fun. Right?

I said "ASU and Illinois are historically equal programs" in the exact same way you said "Reggie Theus is the only option for Illinois Basketball".

And again, you do the same thing you accuse me of doing. I don’t believe I ever said that you “think they are historically equal.” I was very careful to use phrases like “on equal footing.” Because my only point ever in that argument is that it is “easier” to win at Illinois than it is at ASU. And the fact that every decade in basketball history supports that claim was basically shot down by you.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #634 on: May 24, 2023, 10:40:24 AM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 10:39:10 AM

And again, you do the same thing you accuse me of doing. I don’t believe I ever said that you “think they are historically equal.” I was very careful to use phrases like “on equal footing.” Because my only point ever in that argument is that it is “easier” to win at Illinois than it is at ASU. And the fact that every decade in basketball supports that claim was basically shot down by you.

Hahahaha man. Okay.

Do you just want my password? That seems easier and less disruptive than the current method, that way you could just log in and post what I think, and then log back in as you and argue against it.

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« Reply #635 on: May 24, 2023, 10:43:29 AM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 10:38:23 AM

You have simply assumed that this kid did. If he didn't, why is this such a bad look?

We're not talking about some nebulous generic "suburban kid". We are talking about RayJ Dennis.

Again, pretty sure I never said that either. What I “assume” is that are people in his orbit who would love for him to attend the U of I. Possibly even himself or his family. Almost certainly former coaches or friends if nothing else. If he wasn’t a fan of the program, I’m sure U of I has been in his orbit since he was a high schooler or before.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #636 on: May 24, 2023, 10:43:54 AM »

Here comes the “been in his orbit!” slam…

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #637 on: May 24, 2023, 10:44:22 AM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 10:43:29 AM

Again, pretty sure I never said that either. What I “assume” is that are people in his orbit who would love for him to attend the U of I. Possibly even himself or his family. Almost certainly former coaches or friends if nothing else. If he wasn’t a fan of the program, I’m sure U of I has been in his orbit since he was a high schooler or before.

Yes, I'm well aware your entire point is based on assuming something you have literally no way of knowing at all - both that it is true, AND that it influenced his decision. That's why I've been making fun of it for two days.

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« Reply #638 on: May 24, 2023, 10:46:01 AM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 10:40:24 AM

Hahahaha man. Okay.

Do you just want my password? That seems easier and less disruptive than the current method, that way you could just log in and post what I think, and then log back in as you and argue against it.

Again, go back a couple of pages and notice I said “on equal footing,” because even you wouldn’t be crazy enough to say they are “historically the same.”

For the 50th time, my only point in that argument was it’s “easier” to win at Illinois. 100 years’ worth of history seems to support that fully.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #639 on: May 24, 2023, 10:47:22 AM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 10:44:22 AM

Yes, I'm well aware your entire point is based on assuming something you have literally no way of knowing at all - both that it is true, AND that it influenced his decision. That's why I've been making fun of it for two days.

Or I could just throw out soft-landing pad theories like “maybe he has salty parents.”

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #640 on: May 24, 2023, 10:49:32 AM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 10:38:23 AM

You have simply assumed that this kid did. If he didn't, why is this such a bad look?

We're not talking about some nebulous generic "suburban kid". We are talking about RayJ Dennis.

Because Illinois should have an excellent shot at landing a midmajor kid from Oswego. If we don’t, after we stub our toe we say “fuck, that hurt!” And hope that’s it’s a while before we do it again…

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #641 on: May 24, 2023, 10:51:43 AM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 10:47:22 AM

Or I could just throw out soft-landing pad theories like “maybe he has salty parents.”

And "Maybe Underwood dropped the ball and fucked this up?"

You know, the things I assumed happened.

Again, the notion that it's laughable to consider maybe a kid's parents wouldn't like that our coaching staff wasn't at all interested in him last time is hilarious to me. Pretty clear you've never followed high level recruiting other than from this very fan-centric perspective.

Said it earlier in the thread, but that's really not uncommon. These are people with feelings and relationships, good and bad. We have lost Illinois kids because they didn't like our staff (this staff, and others). We have gotten out-of-state kids because they did. It's not some video game where him being from Illinois gives us exactly a 25% better chance to get him. It's not College Hoops 2k8.

We cut the offer from a top recruit and future NBA player who wanted to play at Illinois at the last second because he fucked the sister of one of the guys we already had committed. And that's surely not close to the silliest shit that happens in recruiting.

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« Reply #642 on: May 24, 2023, 10:53:53 AM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 10:49:32 AM

Because Illinois should have an excellent shot at landing a midmajor kid from Oswego. If we don’t, after we stub our toe we say “fuck, that hurt!” And hope that’s it’s a while before we do it again…

They did, by all accounts, have a great shot at getting him.

The rumor right now is that they did not get him, and you've decided that since he was from Oswego, it was a bad look for our coaching staff. You say that with no knowledge of how the kid or his parents feel about Illinois basketball or Underwood, but you think it's "logical" to simply assume that since he's from Illinois, it's likely he would be "over the moon" to get an Illinois offer. You're unwilling to consider any alternatives to that, you will mock someone who acknowledges that we have no idea how they feel about Illinois or Underwood. They lived in Illinois, it's only logical to assume they think just like you do about Illinois basketball.

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« Reply #643 on: May 24, 2023, 10:55:06 AM »

Just because Rayj grew up in the burbs we can’t assume there’s a good chance he roots for local teams! I tried to find something from 5 years or so ago Illini related, but he tweets a fair amount. So stopped around two years back.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #644 on: May 24, 2023, 10:56:24 AM »

Oh, he's a Bears fan?

An even worse look for Underwood!

Assume you found some pro-Illini tweets too right? A guy from Oswego has most likely tweeted positively about Illinois basketball in the last two years.

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