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« Reply #615 on: May 24, 2023, 10:19:10 AM »

Here's Forbes' list of most valuable CBB brands (a couple years old now, admittedly).

It is notably NOT a list of the best college basketball programs.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christinasettimi/2020/03/19/college-basketball-most-valuable-teams-ncaa-march-madness/?sh=17448e5a285d

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« Reply #616 on: May 24, 2023, 10:19:56 AM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 10:18:40 AM

By lowering Illinois’ expectations to that of DePaul and NU, you did indeed “compare them.” If you don’t understand that, I can’t help you.

I used the examples I was provided. I also provided another example, a blue blood - that is the only comparison that came out of my own head - but you have yet to chastise me for 'comparing' Illinois to UNC. Because you aren't interested in reading what I say and debating it with me; only making up a stance I didn't take and arguing with that.

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« Reply #617 on: May 24, 2023, 10:22:18 AM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 10:19:56 AM

I used the examples I was provided. I also provided another example, a blue blood - that is the only comparison that came out of my own head - but you have yet to chastise me for 'comparing' Illinois to UNC. Because you aren't interested in reading what I say and debating it with me; only making up a stance I didn't take and arguing with that.

Admittedly, I’m having a devil of a time trying to keep up with this pace, but where did you “compare” them? You asked me to compare them. Just brining them up in discussion isn’t “comparing” them. You did that (with DePaul and NU). “If they aren’t embarrassed to lose an Illinois kid, why should Illinois be?!” That’s just a hilariously awful take. Now I’ll wait for you to tell me you didn’t basically say that. But you did.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #618 on: May 24, 2023, 10:23:36 AM »

Yes, I paraphrased, but that was your point. NU and DePaul shouldn’t be embarrassed for losing an Illinois kid, so neither should U of I.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #619 on: May 24, 2023, 10:25:06 AM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 10:22:18 AM

Admittedly, I’m having a devil of a time trying to keep up with this pace, but where did you “compare” them? You asked me to compare them. Just brining them up in discussion isn’t “comparing” them. You did that (with DePaul and NU). “If they aren’t embarrassed to lose an Illinois kid, why should Illinois be?!” That’s just a hilariously awful take. Now I’ll wait for you to tell me you didn’t basically saw that. But you did.

Nope! You made up something, put it in quotes, and attributed it to me - as usual.

You can keep repeating "but you did" (see how that works? quotes around a thing you actually said), and yet I still did not.

You can keep shouting "you think Illinois and Northwestern are comparable programs!!!!!!11!!" over me saying "I do not think Illinois and Northwestern are comparable programs", but that isn't a discussion. I'm telling you directly: I do not think they are comparable programs. I used those examples because YOU used them. I also used UNC, but you have yet to have the same level of outrage about that because you're not all that interested in what I actually think, only in beating that strawman's ass and claiming victory.

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« Reply #620 on: May 24, 2023, 10:26:09 AM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 10:23:36 AM

Yes, I paraphrased, but that was your point. NU and DePaul shouldn’t be embarrassed for losing an Illinois kid, so neither should U of I.

No school should be embarrassed for losing a kid simply because their parents or friends may have had a passing cursory interest in that school's basketball program, whether that's Northwestern, Illinois, or UNC. That was the point from the very beginning. I used the examples you provided to make it, I didn't come up with those programs. You did. The only program I came up with to compare was North Carolina.

Look, OMG, I compared Northwestern and UNC basketball!

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« Reply #621 on: May 24, 2023, 10:26:56 AM »

Quote from: Dominic on May 24, 2023, 10:18:33 AM

Spark has 5 days left. Then this cancer is gone.

Spark is a good and smart dude. He’s just got some weird fanatical mission of hyper-objectivity that apparently requires soft-landing pads for guys like Brad Underwood and Ryan Poles. Oops, just opened another can of worms…

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« Reply #622 on: May 24, 2023, 10:27:50 AM »

And I think he really undervalues the program. No one should be able to say that ASU and Illinois are on equal footing with a straight face. Certainly not historically.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #623 on: May 24, 2023, 10:29:54 AM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 10:26:56 AM

Spark is a good and smart dude. He’s just got some weird fanatical mission of hyper-objectivity that apparently requires soft-landing pads for guys like Brad Underwood and Ryan Poles. Oops, just opened another can of worms…

I can see, based on your arguments, that you completely eschew any attempt at objectivity - I just disagree that that's some virtuous thing, and that being as objective as you can, trying to remove your own biases from the equation, is worthy of mockery.

You and I are very different in that way.

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« Reply #624 on: May 24, 2023, 10:30:19 AM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 10:27:50 AM

And I think he really undervalues the program. No one should be able to say that ASU and Illinois are on equal footing with a straight face. Certainly not historically.

And nobody should say that Reggie Theus is the only guy who can bring back Illinois basketball, but here we are.

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« Reply #625 on: May 24, 2023, 10:30:40 AM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 10:26:09 AM

No school should be embarrassed for losing a kid simply because their parents or friends may have had a passing cursory interest in that school's basketball program, whether that's Northwestern, Illinois, or UNC. That was the point from the very beginning. I used the examples you provided to make it, I didn't come up with those programs. You did. The only program I came up with to compare was North Carolina.

Look, OMG, I compared Northwestern and UNC basketball!

Again, let’s not get too wrapped up in “a bad look” comment. It’s not end of the world damning criticism. Certainly a stubbed toe, but quit being so sensitive over minute criticisms of program leadership. Stubbed toes are gonna happen. How do you keep from stubbing your toes regularly? That’s the only real question.

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« Reply #626 on: May 24, 2023, 10:31:07 AM »

LMFAO

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« Reply #627 on: May 24, 2023, 10:31:50 AM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 10:30:19 AM

And nobody should say that Reggie Theus is the only guy who can bring back Illinois basketball, but here we are.

Wut

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #628 on: May 24, 2023, 10:32:47 AM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 10:31:50 AM

Wut

Making up stances for other people and then beating them up IS fun. Right?

I said "ASU and Illinois are historically equal programs" in the exact same way you said "Reggie Theus is the only option for Illinois Basketball".

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #629 on: May 24, 2023, 10:34:07 AM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 10:29:54 AM

I can see, based on your arguments, that you completely eschew any attempt at objectivity - I just disagree that that's some virtuous thing, and that being as objective as you can, trying to remove your own biases from the equation, is worthy of mockery.

You and I are very different in that way.

Expecting that there’s a good chance a suburban 3 star midmajor player might fancy playing for Illinois isn’t “bias.” It’s reality.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.