do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #495 on: May 23, 2023, 06:39:10 PM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on May 23, 2023, 06:37:17 PM

You’re telling me he has zero pull to the U of I, be it through fandom, family or friends? Possible, but doubtful.

I'm admitting that I have literally no way of knowing that whatsoever.

You?

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #496 on: May 23, 2023, 06:41:25 PM »

I think it’s highly more logical to assume he has either rooted for Illinois, or has family and friends that do than to just throw “Maybe his parents are salty” statements out there. But that’s me.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #497 on: May 23, 2023, 06:42:16 PM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 23, 2023, 06:39:10 PM

I'm admitting that I have literally no way of knowing that whatsoever.

You?

Of course, I can’t say for sure; but I’d find it pretty unlikely that he feels zero inclination or pull to attend Illinois.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #498 on: May 23, 2023, 06:43:28 PM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on May 23, 2023, 06:41:25 PM

I think it’s highly more logical to assume he has either rooted for Illinois, or has family and friends that do than to just throw “Maybe his parents are salty” statements. But that’s me.

Yes - as in all situations, the only logical conclusion you can come to is that the person in question thinks just like you, a 45 year old white man.

I'm surprised, honestly, that you think it's so crazy to suggest maybe his parents didn't like that Underwood didn't think their kid was good enough last time. I'm not saying at all I know that's true, but it's certainly well within the realm of possibilities. Pettier shit has affected recruiting.

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spark mandrill

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #499 on: May 23, 2023, 06:44:01 PM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on May 23, 2023, 06:42:16 PM

Of course, I can’t say for sure; but I’d find it pretty unlikely that he feels zero inclination or pull to attend Illinois.

You admit you have no idea, and just assume he thinks like you.

It's called projection, bud.

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« Reply #500 on: May 23, 2023, 06:48:02 PM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 23, 2023, 06:43:28 PM

Yes - as in all situations, the only logical conclusion you can come to is that the person in question thinks just like you, a 45 year old white man.

I'm surprised, honestly, that you think it's so crazy to suggest maybe his parents didn't like that Underwood didn't think their kid was good enough last time.

Again, assuming he/his family has some beef with Illinois is a much bigger stretch than to think Illinois might be an attractive destination for an Illinois kid.

Your quest to be objective is being stretched to its logical limits.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #501 on: May 23, 2023, 06:48:45 PM »

If they had a beef with Illinois, I’m guessing he wouldn’t have considered them from the get-go.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #502 on: May 23, 2023, 06:50:00 PM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on May 23, 2023, 06:48:02 PM

Again, assuming he/his family has some beef with Illinois is a much bigger stretch than to think Illinois might be an attractive destination for an Illinois kid.

Your quest to be objective is being stretched to its logical limits.

I'm literally not doing that. I am specifically not assuming anything and acknowledging that I have no idea.

I AM surprised you think that's just outside the realm of possibilities though. It's definitely, definitely not. We lost a recruit cuz he fucked the sister of another recruit we did get. The notion that you just know what the factors are in a given recruitment is a pure fantasy.

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spark mandrill

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #503 on: May 23, 2023, 06:51:13 PM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on May 23, 2023, 06:48:45 PM

If they had a beef with Illinois, I’m guessing he wouldn’t have considered them from the get-go.

I'd suggest a reason for that, but you'd accuse me of assuming it's true because you're a particularly black and white type thinker.

Intelligent people can entertain the possibility of an idea without subscribing to it.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #504 on: May 23, 2023, 06:54:32 PM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 23, 2023, 06:43:28 PM

Yes - as in all situations, the only logical conclusion you can come to is that the person in question thinks just like you, a 45 year old white man.

I'm surprised, honestly, that you think it's so crazy to suggest maybe his parents didn't like that Underwood didn't think their kid was good enough last time. I'm not saying at all I know that's true, but it's certainly well within the realm of possibilities. Pettier shit has affected recruiting.

Nobody good wants to play for Underwood very long:

*Adam Miller- left after 1 season
*Jayden Epps- left after 1 season
*Skyy Clark- left after 1/2 season
*RJ Melendez - left after 2 seasons
*Brandin Podz- left after 1 season

Its a trash JUCO type program Underwood is running. Roster turnover, 1 year guys, no cohesion. It’s just junk.

Again, remove Kofi from the equation. Underwood would be fired 2 years ago. He’s never getting another Kofi an his recruiting is only going to get worse

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #505 on: May 23, 2023, 06:59:07 PM »

I get that it’s not 1981, but suggesting that Illinois doesn’t/shouldn’t have at least some kind of “home town” advantage with most Illinois kids, especially with ones not originally deemed power 5 players is pretty baffling to me. He’s probably getting the 5 star treatment now, but this kid almost certainly would have taken an offer from U of I out of high school. And to suggest he might have some beef with Illinois (then why would he visit?) as an excuse as to why he wouldn’t come here is borderline bizarre.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #506 on: May 23, 2023, 07:00:33 PM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 23, 2023, 06:51:13 PM

I'd suggest a reason for that, but you'd accuse me of assuming it's true because you're a particularly black and white type thinker.

Intelligent people can entertain the possibility of an idea without subscribing to it.

Lol ok

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #507 on: May 23, 2023, 07:01:50 PM »

Random excuse generator:

“Maybe he/his family has a beef with Illinois (even though he visited).”

“There was a tornado that day, maybe that scared him away.”

“Maybe he wants to go to Utah because he’s a snowboarder.”

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #508 on: May 23, 2023, 07:02:23 PM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 23, 2023, 06:38:50 PM

we're taking the word of the very board this thread is meant to mock for not knowing what they're talking about.

I’m taking the word of 3 different national sources:

Trilly Donovan says IL is no longer in play.

Derek Piper now says he doesn’t think IL is going to get him.

Utah 247 Premium says IL is no longer in play,

The loyalty board has never known a single thing about anything.

“RayJ is a lock.”

“RayJ visits Utah, Baylor, and Michigan after Illinois but idiots claim Illinois will get last visit”

RayJ never comes back for a visit. And all national guys don’t even think IL is in the discussion anymore.

“TSJ told staff he’s returning. Expect announcement last weekend”

Complete lie.

Again, you want to know what’s going to happen in recruiting. Ask me. I’ll give you the unfilitered truth.

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spark mandrill

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #509 on: May 23, 2023, 07:03:57 PM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on May 23, 2023, 06:59:07 PM

I get that it’s not 1981, but suggesting that Illinois doesn’t/shouldn’t have at least some kind of “home town” advantage with most Illinois kids, especially with ones not originally deemed power 5 players is pretty baffling to me. He’s probably getting the 5 star treatment now, but this kid almost certainly would have taken an offer from U of I out of high school. And to suggest he might have some beef with Illinois (then why would he visit?) as an excuse as to why he wouldn’t come here is borderline bizarre.

With some of them, they probably do! I'm not discounting the possibility of him being a giant Illini fan that grew up dying to play there and understanding why Underwood didn't want him and then Underwood dropped the ball.

Maybe that happened. I don't know that it did though.

I do think you, who came of age in the 1980's and was a young adult in the 90's/2000's, have a very difference perception of Illinois basketball than a 22 year old would. I think that has to be acknowledged, at least. He might've been a huge Illini fan though. I have no clue.

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