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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #1080 on: July 14, 2023, 12:53:16 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 12:51:32 PM
Spark. The only thing I’m arguing with you is that Self would only laugh at being contacted by Illinois. You’re the one putting words in my mouth. Not the other way around. I’ve not tried to make the case that were equal to KU. Never. I’m only arguing that Illinois is POSSIBLY an attractive option for some people with ties to the school. Anything more than that and you’re putting words in my mouth.

Self wouldn’t have to have actual interest in coming back to be appreciative of an offer. Not at all.

You've made like a dozen posts here arguing against things I never said anything remotely close to - sorry, but no, you're "putting words in my mouth" and absolutely demolishing some strawmen.

I don't disagree that sending Self a text doesn't cost anything; it just doesn't gain us anything either, outside of likely a little chortle from Self.

Ignoring that he likely wouldn't care or be surprised at all that the school he left 20 years ago for a blueblood would take him back, what does Self being flattered gain us exactly?
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #1081 on: July 14, 2023, 12:54:19 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 14, 2023, 12:49:17 PM
Someday you're going to accidentally stumble into arguing against something someone actually said.

This post, I assume, is simply agreeing with my clear assertion that sometimes we do have advantages in certain situations?


“Proof that Illinois has no advantage with anyone whatsoever is that sometimes people don’t choose us.” - Spark Mandrill
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« Reply #1082 on: July 14, 2023, 12:54:45 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 12:52:38 PM
Seriously dude. Are you reading your posts today? You usually at least make sense when you are wrong.

I am, yes.  One of us seems to not be though, or at best cannot understand them.  You've argued multiple times today against things literally zero people have said.

You either can't understand my posts, or are simply railing on what you wish they said instead of what they actually said.  Not sure which, but it's obviously something you've done with pretty stark consistency the entire time I've known you.
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« Reply #1083 on: July 14, 2023, 12:55:04 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 12:37:35 PM
Is that my fucking point? No.
Your first post in this mind exercise ...
"I got laughed at pretty heartily a handful of years back for suggesting the whoever it was at the time AD send out a feeler."

And you have no idea if a "feeler" was sent out and then you go on to if a feeler wasn't sent out, then the AD isn't reaching high enough.

Maybe you could send a text to the AD. It couldn't hurt. He may be flattered.
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« Reply #1084 on: July 14, 2023, 12:55:32 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 12:54:19 PM


“Proof that Illinois has no advantage with anyone whatsoever is that sometimes people don’t choose us.” - Spark Mandrill

When you're arguing that you're not putting words in anyone's mouth, making up a fake quote and attributing it to them isn't usually the best strategy.
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« Reply #1085 on: July 14, 2023, 12:56:45 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 14, 2023, 12:53:16 PM
You've made like a dozen posts here arguing against things I never said anything remotely close to - sorry, but no, you're "putting words in my mouth" and absolutely demolishing some strawmen.

I don't disagree that sending Self a text doesn't cost anything; it just doesn't gain us anything either, outside of likely a little chortle from Self.

Ignoring that he likely wouldn't care or be surprised at all that the school he left 20 years ago for a blueblood would take him back, what does Self being flattered gain us exactly?

I’ve spent the last three pages arguing that Self doesn’t have to have actual interest in returning to Illinois to be appreciative (flattered) by contact from Illinois. You mocked that notion. Many times. That’s been 95% of the discussion for 3 pages. What do I have wrong here? Are you denying you mocked the idea Self might actually be flattered to hear from Illinois?
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« Reply #1086 on: July 14, 2023, 12:58:02 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 12:56:45 PM
I’ve spent the last three pages arguing that Self doesn’t have to have actual interest in returning to Illinois to be appreciative (flattered) by contact from Illinois. You mocked that notion. Many times. That’s been 95% of the discussion for 3 pages. What do I have wrong here? Are you denying you mocked the idea Self might actually be flattered to hear from Illinois?

I'm asking - let's say you're right, Self is super flattered that Illinois would like him to come back (ignoring that he absolutely already knows that, not just about Illinois but about 330ish of the 355 D1 programs) - what's the gain?  What do we get out of it?
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« Reply #1087 on: July 14, 2023, 12:58:27 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 14, 2023, 12:55:32 PM
When you're arguing that you're not putting words in anyone's mouth, making up a fake quote and attributing it to them isn't usually the best strategy.

Yeah, that one was done on purpose.
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« Reply #1088 on: July 14, 2023, 01:00:32 PM »
Quote from: Mn on July 14, 2023, 12:55:04 PM
Your first post in this mind exercise ...
"I got laughed at pretty heartily a handful of years back for suggesting the whoever it was at the time AD send out a feeler."

And you have no idea if a "feeler" was sent out and then you go on to if a feeler wasn't sent out, then the AD isn't reaching high enough.

Maybe you could send a text to the AD. It couldn't hurt. He may be flattered.

Something gives me the feeling Josh Whitman doesn’t spend much time on the agenda of program followers he doesn’t know exist.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #1089 on: July 14, 2023, 01:01:16 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 14, 2023, 12:58:02 PM
I'm asking - let's say you're right, Self is super flattered that Illinois would like him to come back (ignoring that he absolutely already knows that, not just about Illinois but about 330ish of the 355 D1 programs) - what's the gain?  What do we get out of it?

“Super flattered” just shows that you have no interest in being sincere in this discussion.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1090 on: July 14, 2023, 01:03:39 PM »
I love the fact that Spark just bases his comments off of his assumption that Self’s ego is the size of Mount Everest. Like Self isn’t human. He’s just an egobot who’s only satisfaction is derived from status.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1091 on: July 14, 2023, 01:04:38 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 01:01:16 PM
“Super flattered” just shows that you have no interest in being sincere in this discussion.

Change it to whatever word would make you not blatantly duck the question, then.

Even if Self is flattered in our interest, what do we gain from it?
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« Reply #1092 on: July 14, 2023, 01:06:52 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 14, 2023, 01:04:38 PM
Change it to whatever word would make you not blatantly duck the question, then.

Even if Self is flattered in our interest, what do we gain from it?

Knowing that we took the biggest swing we could take. That’s it. Very high probability that swing misses. Harm done: Zip. Zero. Nada
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« Reply #1093 on: July 14, 2023, 01:07:24 PM »
Also, sorry, but am I expected to believe that the guy who keeps ignoring my posts and arguing against shit I never said is "being sincere in this discussion"?  You're literally completely ignoring everything I'm saying in favor of some shit you wish I said because it'd be easier to argue against.
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« Reply #1094 on: July 14, 2023, 01:07:53 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 14, 2023, 01:06:52 PM
Knowing that we took the biggest swing we could take. That’s it. Very high probability that swing misses. Harm done: zip. Zero nada.

And zero gain.  Zip.  Zero nada.

Now we're back to where we started, Self may or may not be 'flattered' that we asked, and the point of doing this was .... ?

Should we text K too?  Roy?  Izzo?  Anything less would be knowing that we didn't take the biggest swing we could take, right?  At what point is it rational to stop taking the swings with 0% success rate and start swinging at something we might actually hit?
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