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Illinois be ASU

ASU is an equal program to Illinois
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Illinois provides a competitive advantage
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Voting closed: April 26, 2023, 11:18:32 AM

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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #195 on: April 20, 2023, 12:45:09 PM »
Wait, so Underachiever can't count The Kofi Years in the teams he built?
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #196 on: April 20, 2023, 12:54:28 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on April 20, 2023, 12:32:16 PM
He inherited Trent Frazier.  He inherited Damonte Williams. 

Yes, a top 150 and a top 200 prospect.

And only in the same sense that Weber inherited Brian Randle, Rich McBride, and Warren Carter -- 2 top 50 and a top 150 prospect.

I have always thought that those became the new coaches' recruits, though that is changing if new NCAA legislation holds up.

It's fair to say Weber got a bigger boost and he failed to maintain recruiting at that level. Recruiting improved after Howard was hired, but results were still mediocre.

Recruiting improved since Underwood was hired and was maintained after the assistant overhaul.

The main problem has been player retention; which is an NCAA wide problem.


 
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #197 on: April 20, 2023, 01:15:03 PM »
Don't understand why anyone wastes time trying to debate with a delusional pedophile who guaranteed we would only win 14 games.
Then lied and guaranteed only 17 wins.

Then guaranteed we would be in NIT.

He is a fucking illiterate homeless fcktard living in a flop house driving a fcking cab for drunks.



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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #198 on: April 20, 2023, 01:33:51 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 20, 2023, 11:18:32 AM
Yep, over a 4-5 week stretch.  Me too.  Are you implying it didn't happen?

I also remember how you misrepresented that intentionally for literal years.

This comment just inspired me to go listen to some Spin Doctors.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #199 on: April 20, 2023, 01:35:38 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 20, 2023, 01:33:51 PM
This comment just inspired me to go listen to some Spin Doctors.

I like that one.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #200 on: April 20, 2023, 01:35:46 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 20, 2023, 11:19:14 AM
It's a perfect example of how you're unable to partake in an argument without exaggerating or misrepresenting others' points and beating up strawmen.  I agree.

I said “Trubisky is definitely better than Mahomes” in the same way you said “Reggie Theus is the only acceptable choice for the next Illinois basketball coach”.  Which is to say, only in the mind of people who are being actively dishonest.

I never once said that you said “Trubisky is better than Mahomes.” But you used stats to show that Trubisky was “on par with what Mahomes was doing.” And I knew that was a ridiculous assertion at the time. You really not going to just fess up and admit you got spanked on that one?
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #201 on: April 20, 2023, 01:38:02 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 20, 2023, 11:20:10 AM
They're of comparable competency.  One of them just had jobs where it's way easier to win.


So now Spark wants to use the argument that competitive advantage is a thing. When he just spent 12 pages arguing it wasn’t. And yes, I realize we’re not Kansas or UNC. But neither is ASU Illinois. A lot of historical data tells us this. And since Spark is the data guy, you’d think he’d accept this data.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #202 on: April 20, 2023, 01:38:41 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on April 20, 2023, 11:47:53 AM
Hey NITSqueaky.

Just STFU.

This is not your thread.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #203 on: April 20, 2023, 01:39:24 PM »
But the Weber argument is a weak one. We know he inherited a roster he could have never assembled himself.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #204 on: April 20, 2023, 01:40:46 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on April 20, 2023, 12:32:16 PM
He inherited Trent Frazier.  He inherited Damonte Williams.  If you aren’t going to give credit to Weber for the 2003-2006 success, it’s only fair to apply the same standard to Underwood

Don’t agree with this at all. We had 4-5 players on the 2003 team better than Frazier. And DaMonte wouldn’t have played 4 mpg on that team.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #205 on: April 20, 2023, 01:47:41 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 20, 2023, 12:45:09 PM
Wait, so Underachiever can't count The Kofi Years in the teams he built?

You new to their discussion?

I do think Dom is working a little to hard to tear down what Underwood has done. But I’m not willing to dismiss is lack of results without Kofi altogether. The point stands. But Underwood gets credit for the Kofi wins, too. There’s middle ground there.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #206 on: April 20, 2023, 01:51:11 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 20, 2023, 01:33:51 PM
This comment just inspired me to go listen to some Spin Doctors.

Perfect band for Little Mr. Can’t Be Wrong
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #207 on: April 20, 2023, 01:52:31 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 20, 2023, 01:38:02 PM
So now Spark wants to use the argument that competitive advantage is a thing. When he just spent 12 pages arguing it wasn’t. And yes, I realize we’re not Kansas or UNC. But neither is ASU Illinois. A lot of historical data tells us this. And since Spark is the data guy, you’d think he’d accept this data.

Surely you’re smart enough to recognize that I’m using it specifically to point out how dumb it is?  I mean, I said that explicitly, and I know you saw it because you deleted it from your quote.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #208 on: April 20, 2023, 01:53:24 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 20, 2023, 01:51:11 PM
Perfect band for Little Mr. Can’t Be Wrong

You made the case that Trubisky was “on par with Mahomes(using stats),” I believe an exact quote IIRC. Regardless of what assumed implications you were trying to make, that statement alone should embarrass you. Just admit it was silly to compare the two in any way and be on with it.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #209 on: April 20, 2023, 01:55:06 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 20, 2023, 01:51:11 PM
Perfect band for Little Mr. Can’t Be Wrong

Even better....
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