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2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #675 on: April 19, 2023, 10:47:03 AM »
Quote from: Jobu on April 19, 2023, 09:18:21 AM
Spark came in here and fucked some guys up.  My goodness.

Spark destroying Tempo like at the HQOG.

To be fair,  he is getting a lot of help from Tempo, himself.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #676 on: April 19, 2023, 10:47:39 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 19, 2023, 10:00:02 AM
And that's why Illinois has historically better results than ASU.  Because they have hired Hall of Fame coaches.


Lots of layers here. Any specific reason Illinois hired better coaches? Higher profile conference? Better facilities/infrastructure? More homegrown talent? Dumb luck? Before we hired Lou we had the guy that replaced John Wooden at UC freaking LA. Illinois is a desirable job. The coach and the job are entertwined. That’s been my point all along.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #677 on: April 19, 2023, 10:47:47 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 10:44:09 AM
Over 40 years. Even Weber (post Dee) and probably Groce achieved at a level ASU would have been pretty happy with.

Yes.  The coaches.

It's not because one is Illinois and one is ASU.  It's because one hired three straight good coaches, and the other didn't.

Because good coaches win wherever they are.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #678 on: April 19, 2023, 10:49:08 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 10:47:39 AM
Lots of layers here. Any specific reason Illinois hired better coaches? Higher profile conference? Better facilities/infrastructure? More homegrown talent? Dumb luck? Before we hired Lou we had the guy that replaced John Wooden at UC freaking LA. Illinois is a desirable job. The coach and the job are entertwined. That’s been my point all along.

The guy who replaced John Wooden was 8-18 (4-14) in his one season at Illinois.  He also left UCLA after two years for UAB - which I suppose must be a more desirable program than UI or UCLA, right?

Illinois has historically hired good coaches - particularly three straight Hall of Fame coaches that built us from an also-ran into a nationally competitive program.  That's the difference between the programs.  It's not the name on the jersey.  When Illinois hired a mediocre coach to replace a Hall of Famer, the results became mediocre.  That isn't a coincidence.

The notion that a coach winning considerably more at Illinois is 'comparable' to a coach winning considerably less at another high major basketball program is just not found in evidence.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #679 on: April 19, 2023, 10:50:01 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 09:36:14 AM
Sorry, I was using voice translator. I fixed it.

You may want to shift it from the "Dominick/Truth" setting.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #680 on: April 19, 2023, 10:50:56 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on April 19, 2023, 10:40:21 AM
Also there allegedly is a deal already made for a PG.

Rumor is RayJ Dennis.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4431941/rayj-dennis


Led the team in minutes, fgm, fga, 3 pt attempts, free shots, 3rd in rebounds.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #681 on: April 19, 2023, 10:52:43 AM »
You say I’ve provided “zero proof?” But I’d argue I’ve provided way more proof than your theory that Illinois has “dumb lucked” their way to a far superior basketball program history than ASU.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #682 on: April 19, 2023, 10:54:02 AM »
Quote from: Mn on April 19, 2023, 10:50:56 AM
Led the team in minutes, fgm, fga, 3 pt attempts, free shots, 3rd in rebounds.

He has an actual PG/Lead Guard mentality. 6 Assists a game.
Have not had one of those for years.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #683 on: April 19, 2023, 10:54:19 AM »
Quote from: Mn on April 19, 2023, 10:36:09 AM
Looks like he could elevate our 3 point percentage a tiche, but make up for it with free shot shooting.

That happens only if Calipari takes over at Illinois.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #684 on: April 19, 2023, 10:54:23 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 19, 2023, 10:49:08 AM
The guy who replaced John Wooden was 8-18 (4-14) in his one season at Illinois.

Not necessarily the point. The point is he was highly enough regarded at the time to replace the guy who just won 10 titles in 12 years.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #685 on: April 19, 2023, 10:55:27 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 10:52:43 AM
You say I’ve provided “zero proof?” But I’d argue I’ve provided way more proof than your theory that Illinois has “dumb lucked” their way to a far superior basketball program history than ASU.

Respectfully- can you guys take this discussion to another thread.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #686 on: April 19, 2023, 10:55:30 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 10:52:43 AM
You say I’ve provided “zero proof?” But I’d argue I’ve provided way more proof than your theory that Illinois has “dumb lucked” their way to a far superior basketball program history than ASU.

Which makes sense, I suppose, since you literally can't accurately describe my viewpoint apparently.

Your evidence is "it's just true", which is another way of saying you don't have literally any evidence.

Pretty much all the evidence indicates that the coach makes the program.  A good coach is going to win big whether he's at a mid-major or a blue blood.  A mediocre coach is going to be mediocre.  The notion that a guy with mediocre results at a high major program is comparable to a guy with much better results at a different high major program with a better history 20-40 years ago is certainly not found in any evidence you've provided.  You've provided at least two examples that argue AGAINST your point though.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #687 on: April 19, 2023, 10:55:48 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on April 19, 2023, 10:55:27 AM
Respectfully- can you guys take this discussion to another thread.

Nope, you're welcome not to read it like a grown up though.

It's really not hard to scroll down.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #688 on: April 19, 2023, 10:56:32 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 10:47:39 AM
Illinois is a desirable job. The coach and the job are entertwined. That’s been my point all along.

And recent history, post-Weber, has established this is completely untrue.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #689 on: April 19, 2023, 10:57:39 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 10:54:23 AM
Not necessarily the point. The point is he was highly enough regarded at the time to replace the guy who just won 10 titles in 12 years.

And he left UCLA after two years for a more desirable program.

If anything, that shows a pretty notable change in college basketball as a whole, right?  Imagine a program in 2023 coming off 12 national titles in 14 years, hiring a guy who finished dead last in his conference in his only season at the high major level.  Simply wouldn't happen.
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