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2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD

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spark mandrill

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #585 on: April 18, 2023, 08:54:33 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 18, 2023, 08:52:39 PM
Translation: Better gig. Illinois is a better gig than ASU. Anyone outside of an ASU alum or homer will tell you so.

A better gig in what way?  Other than the things I mentioned specifically - a place he started his career at, a blue blood, more money, can 'play the game'.

Why do you expect all the coaches you keep using as example have consistent results whether they're at Iona or Kentucky, UMass or Kentucky?  Kentucky's a better program than UMass, but his results were similar - why?

And if good coaches win wherever they are, we're back to the original question - why does one of these two comparable coaches; the one that's worse at X's and O's no less!; have so much better results than the other?
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #586 on: April 18, 2023, 08:59:46 PM »
I’d like to know if Bielema leaves Illinois, would sparky be happy hiring Gene Chizik?  After all there was nothing strange or outlier-y about his national championship right? And it should be replicable no?
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #587 on: April 18, 2023, 09:00:50 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 18, 2023, 08:22:17 PM
Surely you understand that success at a historically good program vs success at a historically poor program aren’t 100% comparable or translatable, right?

Which one is Illinois again?
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #588 on: April 18, 2023, 09:01:32 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on April 18, 2023, 08:59:46 PM
I’d like to know if Bielema leaves Illinois, would sparky be happy hiring Gene Chizik?  After all there was nothing strange or outlier-y about his national championship right? And it should be replicable no?

This is what it looks like when you know for absolute certain that you have no real evidence to support your point.  Just pretend!
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #589 on: April 18, 2023, 09:02:55 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 18, 2023, 08:29:06 PM
Calipari went to the Final Four at the University of Massachussetts and Memphis.

Look at this resume and tell me how much better the results were at Kentucky than everywhere else he coached.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calipari#Head_coaching_record


Very, very slightly better (.774 at UK, .759 at Memphis, .730 at UMass) overall, in conference he was .755 at UK, .802 at Memphis, .689 at UMass.

He was a damn good coach no matter where he coached - if anything, he's evidence against the point I think you're trying to make.  His win% and tournament success didn't change all that much at Kentucky, because he's been that good everywhere he's coached.

Yeah, Tempo, that was a strange example.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #590 on: April 18, 2023, 09:06:15 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 18, 2023, 08:48:21 PM
Pitino, BTW, another guy who has been good no matter where he's coached.  Was good at UK - but was also good at Louisville.  Was good at Providence, was good at Iona.  Was good at Boston University.  Will probably be good at St. John's.

It was Tempo doubling down on his Calipari argument....
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #591 on: April 18, 2023, 09:06:44 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 18, 2023, 08:36:07 PM
Because KU let him 'play the game' the way he wanted, he was from the area, started his career there as an assistant, and it's a blue blood program that was coming off another Hall of Fame coach and the cupboard was full.  Wasn't some huge secret.

And money.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #592 on: April 18, 2023, 09:30:03 PM »
Sparks uses the term “resurrect” to describe what Underwood did to the program. But that would also imply it was dead under Groce.  Yet, Sparky supported Groce.  So Spark supported a dead program.


Spark it appears you will support literally any coach at Illinois, regardless of program health, so your opinion on these matters is irrelevant.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #593 on: April 18, 2023, 09:34:55 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on April 18, 2023, 09:30:03 PM
Sparks uses the term “resurrect” to describe what Underwood did to the program. But that would also imply it was dead under Groce.  Yet, Sparky supported Groce.  So Spark supported a dead program.


Spark it appears you will support literally any coach at Illinois, regardless of program health, so your opinion on these matters is irrelevant.

I fully supported Groce getting fired.  It was time.

Sucked, because a coach having success at your school is preferable to firing him 100% of the time, but I didn't have any issues with Groce getting fired whatsoever.

I'll acknowledge I was probably a year late on that one.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #594 on: April 18, 2023, 09:37:21 PM »
And yes, when a dude takes over a program with 3 tournament teams in the previous decade and after year 6 is on a streak of four in a row, I'm comfortable calling that 'resurrecting the program'.

What would you call it, dare I ask?
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #595 on: April 18, 2023, 09:56:10 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 18, 2023, 09:37:21 PM
And yes, when a dude takes over a program with 3 tournament teams in the previous decade and after year 6 is on a streak of four in a row, I'm comfortable calling that 'resurrecting the program'.

What would you call it, dare I ask?

I’m sure he’d give the credit to Kofi and Antigua, and to a lesser degree Ayo and Chin. Actually I’ll bet $100 on that.

Edit- although Underwood is the one who hired and recruited those players and coaches…
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #596 on: April 18, 2023, 09:56:33 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 18, 2023, 09:02:55 PM
Yeah, Tempo, that was a strange example.

Why did Calipari keep leaving jobs even though he was “successful?” And the answer isn’t just “money.”
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #597 on: April 18, 2023, 09:57:29 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 18, 2023, 09:56:33 PM
Why did Calipari keep leaving jobs even though he was “successful?” And the answer isn’t just “money.”

Caught cheating at both spots maybe…
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #598 on: April 18, 2023, 09:58:56 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 18, 2023, 09:56:33 PM
Why did Calipari keep leaving jobs even though he was “successful?” And the answer isn’t just “money.”

This is a total deflection though Tempo.  We're talking about comparing the results between a 'better' program and a 'worse' program, however you define that.

If you were right, Calipari and Pitino would have had worse results at their 'worse' stops, but they didn't.  They had consistent success everywhere they'd been, barring a couple years for a program rebuild at the beginning.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #599 on: April 18, 2023, 09:59:26 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on April 18, 2023, 09:57:29 PM
Caught cheating at both spots maybe…


Brad Underwood has had WAY more wins vacated than Calipari.

True story: SFA has vacated more wins than anyone other than Northern Colorado and Louisville.
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