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2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #540 on: April 18, 2023, 06:41:54 PM »
I cannot be counted among the Underachiever lovers, but "pretending he never had Kofi" is patently absurd.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #541 on: April 18, 2023, 06:43:01 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 18, 2023, 06:41:54 PM
I cannot be counted among the Underachiever lovers, but "pretending he never had Kofi" is patently absurd.

"Pretend I'm right" is literally the only way the guy can ever claim any sort of victory in his entire life.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #542 on: April 18, 2023, 06:47:25 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 18, 2023, 06:41:54 PM
I cannot be counted among the Underachiever lovers, but "pretending he never had Kofi" is patently absurd.

There's no bigger idiot or pussy than Squeaky on the various Illini boards, which is pretty damning considering chadinla is still around.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #543 on: April 18, 2023, 07:11:50 PM »
Again, playing devil’s advocate here. Underwood’s far and away best seasons were with Kofi and Ayo. He hasn’t shown an ability to completely replace them. Im tempted to compare Underwood’s best seasons to Matt Nagy’s coach of the year season. But that would be unfair to Underwood, because he had a lot more to do with his own success than Nagy did. But where I’m tempted to compare them is can they replicate that very brief period of success?

I’m not saying Underwood is bad (certainly better than Nagy), but let’s put it this way. Im pretty stunned to say that my confidence in Illini football is at least as high as Illini basketball.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #544 on: April 18, 2023, 07:26:44 PM »
Why wouldn’t you take away Hurley’s best player then if you’re going to for Underwood?! This is fucking stupid 🥴
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #545 on: April 18, 2023, 07:41:19 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on April 18, 2023, 07:26:44 PM
Why wouldn’t you take away Hurley’s best player then if you’re going to for Underwood?! This is fucking stupid 🥴

The point is Underwood may have just caught lightning in a bottle (like Nagy) instead of shown an ability to win at a high level consistently. The jury is out.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #546 on: April 18, 2023, 07:47:48 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 18, 2023, 07:11:50 PM
Again, playing devil’s advocate here. Underwood’s far and away best seasons were with Kofi and Ayo. He hasn’t shown an ability to completely replace them. Im tempted to compare Underwood’s best seasons to Matt Nagy’s coach of the year season. But that would be unfair to Underwood, because he had a lot more to do with his own success than Nagy did. But where I’m tempted to compare them is can they replicate that very brief period of success?

I’m not saying Underwood is bad (certainly better than Nagy), but let’s put it this way. Im pretty stunned to say that my confidence in Illini football is at least as high as Illini basketball.

But Hurley hasn't had that success, whether you arbitrarily remove the years he had his best players or not.  So why do you suspect their results are so different if they're such comparable coaches?

Ignoring, of course, that the argument "this coach is bad because his record is bad if you don't count the years his record was good" is self evidently stupid as fuck.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #547 on: April 18, 2023, 07:49:38 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 18, 2023, 07:41:19 PM
The point is Underwood may have just caught lightning in a bottle (like Nagy) instead of shown an ability to win at a high level consistently. The jury is out.

He won multiple tournament games with a team from the Southland Conference.

Made the tournament in his first year at a high Major at OK State.

Resurrected our program.


There's a reason his record is notably better than Hurley's even if you, for some unknown stupid reason, disqualify his biggest successes.  Like even if you cut off Underwood's best three years in his career, his record - win%, conf win%, tournament appearances, tournament wins - is notably better than Hurley's.  He won two more tournament games in his three years in the Southland than Hurley has in his 10 year career.

If you're going to call two coaches comparable, you surely  must have some sort of reasoning as to why one's results would be so notably better than the others', right?
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #548 on: April 18, 2023, 07:54:04 PM »
Sparky, real Auburn fans knew Gene Chizik was a shit coach that lucked into Cam Newton and Cam won the national title.

They still FIRED him 2 years later.


Real Illini fans know Brad Underwood is a shit coach, who was on his way to being fired before he lucked into Kofi Cockburn.  Kofi’s gone, and he’s back on the road to fireville.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #549 on: April 18, 2023, 07:55:50 PM »
Consider this:

This board has spent the entire year bitching about Underwood, about how our team this year sucked, Truth tried to claim victory for saying they'd suck and be an NIT team because they only won 20 games and didn't win a game in the tournament after only winning one in each of the last two tournaments - our fourth straight 20 win season.

Bobby Hurley has been a coach for 10 seasons and has won more than 20 games three times total - twice at the high major level - with no tournament wins.

The team Illinois had this year that this board spent all year whining about, that led to people wanting our coach fired, would be one of the 2 or 3 best seasons in Bobby Hurley's career.  Our 9 seed this year would be the best seed he's ever gotten.  It was the fourth best season of Underwood's last four years.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #550 on: April 18, 2023, 07:56:28 PM »
Dom, I don't know how many times I need to say this but...

Literally zero people in the entire world care what you think, about anything.

Zero.

Let the grown ups talk, please.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #551 on: April 18, 2023, 07:57:51 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 18, 2023, 06:31:38 PM


If Hurley is so much better a game coach what explains the gap between them in terms of results?

71-76 is better than 31-45.

End of discussion.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #552 on: April 18, 2023, 08:00:57 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on April 18, 2023, 07:57:51 PM
71-76 is better than 31-45.

End of discussion.

Yes, Bobby Hurley's conference record at Arizona State is slightly better than Brad Underwood's at the high major level, but only if you randomly disqualify multiple seasons from Underwood for no reason.

We're all in agreement - if you just pretend those years didn't happen, Underwood's record looks a lot worse.

It's just a fucking dumb thing to do, and no one but a complete moron would make a point that bad.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #553 on: April 18, 2023, 08:01:52 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 18, 2023, 07:55:50 PM
Consider this:

This board has spent the entire year bitching about Underwood, about how our team this year sucked, Truth tried to claim victory for saying they'd suck and be an NIT team because they only won 20 games and didn't win a game in the tournament after only winning one in each of the last two tournaments - our fourth straight 20 win season.

Bobby Hurley has been a coach for 10 seasons and has won more than 20 games three times total - twice at the high major level - with no tournament wins.

The team Illinois had this year that this board spent all year whining about, that led to people wanting our coach fired, would be one of the 2 or 3 best seasons in Bobby Hurley's career.  It was the fourth best season of Underwood's last four years.

If Arizona State had the same history Illinois has, and the same expectation level- yes they’d have fired Hurley by now.  But they don’t.

If Hurley was 71-76 at Arizona for instance, he’d have been fired.

Illinois should have the same expectation level as Arizona. 

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #554 on: April 18, 2023, 08:04:13 PM »
Yes Dom we know, if you just pretend then you were right.

We know.  You've made it clear you can't be right in any other way.
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