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Re: who leaves
« Reply #120 on: March 28, 2023, 08:28:21 AM »
Harris tweeted Yessir Gang with a heart for Dainja announcement, so I think that is a done deal sign he is staying.
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #121 on: March 28, 2023, 09:03:49 AM »
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« Reply #122 on: March 28, 2023, 09:04:13 AM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on March 28, 2023, 08:21:48 AM
Epps is gone, who's next?

Love is being rumored to Mizzou already btw.

Good, they can have him.
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #123 on: March 28, 2023, 09:05:04 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 28, 2023, 07:23:24 AM
Guessing he did not like getting yelled at by an old white dude with greased back hair and Men's Wearhouse suit coats. ChicagoFan can take a victory lap?

Is there anything wrong with Men’s Warehouse suit coats?! 🤔 asking for a friend…
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #124 on: March 28, 2023, 10:36:53 AM »
MW and Jos A are great if you need a rotation of decent suits or jackets and on a budget. I still I have jackets from there I wear in rotation from like 10 years ago.

Like I've said I dig the used car salesman look for an old coach, but also Brad has a wardrobe expense line so I hope he's at least got a Brooks Brothers or Tom James contact.
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« Reply #125 on: March 28, 2023, 11:40:52 AM »
I really liked Epps. One of the best freshman guards we have seen in awhile IMO

Podz, Clark, Epps....see a pattern?

Not gonna lie, sorta pissed at Underwood right now. He needs to motivate these players and fix the locker room
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #126 on: March 28, 2023, 12:18:22 PM »
I don't see a pattern other than what's happening everywhere at schools all over the country.

There were 3 transfers per D1 team last year.  Every school, pretty much, has a long list of guys leaving.

You only mentioned three guys though, what about the others?
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #127 on: March 28, 2023, 12:25:49 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on March 28, 2023, 10:36:53 AM
MW and Jos A are great if you need a rotation of decent suits or jackets and on a budget. I still I have jackets from there I wear in rotation from like 10 years ago.

Like I've said I dig the used car salesman look for an old coach, but also Brad has a wardrobe expense line so I hope he's at least got a Brooks Brothers or Tom James contact.

I think I may still have some Kuppenheimer stuff somewhere.
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #128 on: March 28, 2023, 12:29:26 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 28, 2023, 12:18:22 PM
I don't see a pattern other than what's happening everywhere at schools all over the country.

There were 3 transfers per D1 team last year.  Every school, pretty much, has a long list of guys leaving.

You only mentioned three guys though, what about the others?

Epps' situation is different from those listed. He played a lot compared to the other two. He had his run ins with Underachiever during games though. We saw it.

Maybe he was hospitalized with the flu and Underachiever did not visit him in the hospital?

Chump edit: it certainly does not seem to be happening at MSU under Izzo (so far), does it?
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #129 on: March 28, 2023, 01:16:13 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 28, 2023, 12:29:26 PM
Epps' situation is different from those listed. He played a lot compared to the other two. He had his run ins with Underachiever during games though. We saw it.

Maybe he was hospitalized with the flu and Underachiever did not visit him in the hospital?

Chump edit: it certainly does not seem to be happening at MSU under Izzo (so far), does it?

He's had five guys transfer in the last two off-seasons (including a grad transfer), and his top-two leading scorers this year were transfers.  Illinois has had 6 guys transfer in that span (including Grandison who was a grad transfer), I think, and also had their top-two scorers from the portal.

Clark was playing more than Epps when he was around, finished within 0.1mpg of eachother.
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #130 on: March 28, 2023, 01:22:55 PM »
The portal is the way we will win a C-Ship if we do at all. Yes we will get HS talent, but for the most part ILLINI are not a 5* destination, neither is Champaign-Urbana or the other way for PC reasons? The college degree is, however we are not playing basketball with surgeons and or any mechanical engineers for the most part.

Get our 4* HS each year...at least 2 and then recruit in 1-2 year X-fer players...by the time they are gone being BMOC, the 2-4* each year will have seniority, size, maturity. Now of course we have to hold onto the 4* that we put the effort into....there's the rub!
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #131 on: March 28, 2023, 01:43:02 PM »
Underwood should have given Epps 3-5 more mpg.
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #132 on: March 28, 2023, 02:04:25 PM »
Transfers at this point, even of 4 star guys, appear to be a cost of doing business and aren't necessarily a bad thing if both sides can find a better fit. Older school coaches may need to adjust knowing guys can just pack up but... none of this is a bad development? Plus we've been net beneficiaries the last few years with Shannon and Plummer.

NIL deals would be wise to incentivize loyalty instead of merely signing in the first place.

I am bothered by some of Underwood's roster management taken in isolation, but Epps leaving seems fairly normal. Guys sometimes left when the fit was poor even in the old days, see Bryan Blackwell or Myke Henry.
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #133 on: March 28, 2023, 02:44:47 PM »
https://twitter.com/colehawk23/status/1640785269023449111?s=46&t=05HrG8dHonbWgeb4jtVing

Hawkins in the draft, but will retain eligibility. Smart move on his part.

I don’t think he’ll leave, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he did.
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #134 on: March 28, 2023, 03:11:05 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 28, 2023, 01:16:13 PM
He's had five guys transfer in the last two off-seasons (including a grad transfer), and his top-two leading scorers this year were transfers.  Illinois has had 6 guys transfer in that span (including Grandison who was a grad transfer), I think, and also had their top-two scorers from the portal.

Clark was playing more than Epps when he was around, finished within 0.1mpg of eachother.

Were they portal guys or "transfers"? Nevertheless, your point about losing guys to the portal stands.

Epps got far more PT as the season went on, and after Clark left, so I am skeptical that his average mpg is a good reading of his PT at the end of the season.

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