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2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations

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spark mandrill

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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2023, 01:31:05 PM »
I'm far more worried about us having better chemistry and actually liking playing together - something I anticipate, maybe foolishly, being much better this season regardless of the rest of the offseason - than getting one of these "true point guard" types.  Obviously an ideal world would be both, but I don't think the lack of a point guard was really the problem last year.
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2023, 01:37:34 PM »
There was certainly other issues, but I still feel like a good/great point guard would have went a long ways in limiting the disfunction we had in the half court set.
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2023, 01:53:07 PM »
I also think it’s worth noting that a year ago we thought we DID have an elite PG on the way - who knows what will happen?
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2023, 03:39:40 PM »
Quote from: Jrock74 on June 14, 2023, 12:37:31 PM
Most gossip has stated we passed on Mulcahy.  Right now its Gonzaga, Kentucky, Michigan, and Memphis. Why I don't know, but if true the staff has really fucked the dog on the PG situation.   If its another year of trail by committee it will likely be eerily similar to last seasons result.

It's hard to add someone when all the scholarships are pledged. Loyalty insiders act like you just kick Moretti and Harmon to the curb; then add Mulcahy and Reeves. Moretti is a class of 2013 recruit that enrolled early to get a head start working with Fletch. Harmon is a 5th year transfer. They started creaning kids that soon; they are arming rival recruiters.
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2023, 03:42:19 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 14, 2023, 03:39:40 PM
It's hard to add someone when all the scholarships are pledged. Loyalty insiders act like you just kick Moretti and Harmon to the curb; then add Mulcahy and Reeves. Moretti is a class of 2013 recruit that enrolled early to get a head start working with Fletch. Harmon is a 5th year transfer. They started creaning kids that soon; they are arming rival recruiters.

Does anyone really care about Creaning at this point given the portal?
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2023, 03:53:00 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 14, 2023, 03:42:19 PM
Does anyone really care about Creaning at this point given the portal?

The portal is closed, except for grad students.

Do you yank Moretti out of summer school and tell him sorry, go home, we need your scholarship? 

Do you pull you Harmon's offer after he committed?

If not; which of the other 11 do you cut? Gibbs-Lawhorn? He has shown up for all the events and is  enrolled in summer school. That would be good optics.
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2023, 04:12:57 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 14, 2023, 03:39:40 PM
It's hard to add someone when all the scholarships are pledged. Loyalty insiders act like you just kick Moretti and Harmon to the curb; then add Mulcahy and Reeves. Moretti is a class of 2013 recruit that enrolled early to get a head start working with Fletch. Harmon is a 5th year transfer. They started creaning kids that soon; they are arming rival recruiters.

I completely agree.  My guess is there's likely not going to be anymore additions. I'd say what you see is what you get going into next year.   The only potential issue would be if Harmon has problems not being able to transfer.
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2023, 04:14:30 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 14, 2023, 03:53:00 PM
The portal is closed, except for grad students.

Do you yank Moretti out of summer school and tell him sorry, go home, we need your scholarship? 

Do you pull you Harmon's offer after he committed?

If not; which of the other 11 do you cut? Gibbs-Lawhorn? He has shown up for all the events and is  enrolled in summer school. That would be good optics.

I understand. I just skeptical anyone cares anymore.
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2023, 07:29:37 PM »
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2023, 08:28:24 PM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on June 14, 2023, 07:29:37 PM
https://247sports.com/college/virginia/LongFormArticle/College-basketball-10-takes-Paul-Mulcahy-sweepstakes-Big-12s-guard-play-rotation-concerns-with-top-5-teams-211571530/

Good article, and some outside concerns it seems with Williams (injury/and????)

No mention of Harmon at all?
The coaching concerns of 30 days of having no idea who will be on your roster can't be good for the game.
But then neither are the portal or NIL currently, imo.

And from point 6 about the Big12 guards.
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2023, 09:13:48 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 14, 2023, 04:14:30 PM
I understand. I just skeptical anyone cares anymore.

To avoid bad optics, I would think it has to be done at the season ending exit interview in April, so the player can enter the portal and has options. Not during summer school, after they renewed him, and the portal is closed. I think people would care..
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2023, 09:25:35 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 14, 2023, 09:13:48 PM
To avoid bad optics, I would think it has to be done at the season ending exit interview in April, so the player can enter the portal and has options. Not during summer school, after they renewed him, and the portal is closed. I think people would care..
Before NIL and the portal, I agree.
But now, put the blame on the NCAA and not the coaches.
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2023, 10:04:03 PM »
Quote from: Mn on June 14, 2023, 09:25:35 PM
Before NIL and the portal, I agree.
But now, put the blame on the NCAA and not the coaches.

Sigh. I must be bad at this.

Before the portal, the timing wouldn't have mattered. The portal now restricts when undergraduates can transfer without penalty..

Winter sports: A 60-day window beginning the day after championships selections are made in their sport.

The undergraduate portal closed May 11.
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2023, 06:21:07 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 14, 2023, 10:04:03 PM
Sigh. I must be bad at this.

Before the portal, the timing wouldn't have mattered. The portal now restricts when undergraduates can transfer without penalty..

Winter sports: A 60-day window beginning the day after championships selections are made in their sport.

The undergraduate portal closed May 11.
It's not that dates have been set, it's when those NCAA and NBA dates are.
 
We had no idea if Shannon or Hawkins were coming back. How can Underwood go to anyone in the portal and say 'if Shannon stays in the draft we'll have a spot for you, but if he comes back then we won't need you.'
NIL compounds the problem by adding what could be a significant money offer to a player in the portal that a coach may not even need once his player decides to withdraw from the draft.

From the article ...
"“We were in a position where we really didn’t know what some guys were going to do because of testing the waters,” Arkansas coach Eric Musselman said. “The NBA dates and the NCAA dates, they really don’t align. So, you’ve got to put together a roster while you really want to support your guys that are trying to figure out their NBA dream, but also you have an obligation to put the best roster you can together. So, that’s kind of a balancing act for about a 30-day period. It puts stress on your roster management. It puts stress on the player. It puts stress on the incoming players, not knowing if guys that are testing the waters are coming back or not coming back. There are a lot of factors in recruiting that maybe the general public doesn’t understand.”

Nonetheless, getting an adequate pg should have been our #1 priority. Rodgers may eventually work out but we couldn't run a half court offense last season with guys who had some experience playing guard. Good luck this year.
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2023, 08:12:40 AM »
our biggest need is pg and we didnt fill it

That is NOT GOOD!

It's like NFL DRAFT. if you have a SOLID QB like JOSH ALLEN, are you gonna draft a QB like Bryce Young?! NO! You draft for NEEDS then! not QB!

The staff for ILLINI did not do that,that ignored the PG dilemma and are hoping TY can pull it off.  THAT is NOT GOOD
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