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Illinifan5775

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Re: Sven's team comes visiting
« Reply #120 on: March 05, 2023, 06:22:43 PM »
Quote from: sharethejuice on March 05, 2023, 07:41:55 AM
remember when we blew the 2006 game against Washington, we were up 9 with 6:48 left and Washington went on a 18-6 run

or 2007 against Va Tech, up 10 with 4:29 left and Va Tech goes on a 12-0 run
2006 Washington was ridiculous. Augustine was kicking their butts on offense, had a lead, and then stopped feeding him the ball. Such a brilliant move by the dumb coach. Results got him more time to get custards around Chambana.
2007 VT even dumber.
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« Reply #121 on: March 05, 2023, 07:58:48 PM »
Quote from: Illinifan5775 on March 05, 2023, 06:22:43 PM
2006 Washington was ridiculous. Augustine was kicking their butts on offense, had a lead, and then stopped feeding him the ball. Such a brilliant move by the dumb coach. Results got him more time to get custards around Chambana.
2007 VT even dumber.

The other problem against Washington was we couldn't stop the guard, Brandon Roy (IIRC). Don't remember who was trying to guard him and failing.
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« Reply #122 on: March 05, 2023, 11:50:03 PM »
That Washington game was on my 25th birthday. My buddies took me to the bar to watch the game. I got all pissed off at the ending and got hammered before it was even dark. What I didn’t know was that they were running a diversion because my girlfriend at the time was throwing me a surprise birthday party at my Aunt and Uncle’s house later on. So they end up bringing me to the party absolutely shitfaced and my whole family and a bunch of friends were there. Fuck I had forgotten all about that awful day until just now.
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Re: Sven's team comes visiting
« Reply #123 on: March 06, 2023, 08:50:21 AM »
Quote from: IVMP on March 05, 2023, 07:58:48 PM
The other problem against Washington was we couldn't stop the guard, Brandon Roy (IIRC). Don't remember who was trying to guard him and failing.
Yes, Brandon Roy. And yes, big time fail at stopping him. Wasn't Dee trying to guard him, Dee was too small to guard him. He made it to the NBA but knee problems derailed his career if I remember correctly.
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Re: Sven's team comes visiting
« Reply #124 on: March 06, 2023, 09:02:50 AM »
Quote from: IVMP on March 05, 2023, 02:10:48 PM
Factual reality for Illinois. And the chokers like Iowa.

Once again, the fan base expected Sweet Sixteens. And that's a big reason why Weber and Groce didn't last. And part of why Henson retired when he did, and part of why Kruger left for the NBA.

And that's why these other Big Ten teams make the Sweet 16 every year?  Like MSU (one S16 in the last 7 years), OSU (no S16's in the last 10 years), Indiana (one S16 in the last 9 years)?

Maybe the fan base expected them - based on our program's history, which is really good by the way, expecting S16's yearly is a good way to cycle through coaches every three or four years.  Maybe that's what dumbass fans "expected", but Illinois has simply never been that.  Very, very few programs have.

I think a lot of that unrealistic expectation is a group of fans who were a certain impressionable age in the early 2000's, one of the few 5-year stretches in our history where we made more than one S16.  They set their expectations for life based on that unusually good stretch, and their expectations stopped being realistic very quickly.  So now rather that recognizing that it's super rare for a program to be a legit S16 team/contender every single year, they have decided that the 350 or so schools for who that isn't the case just suck.

The funny part is knowing our idiot fans well enough to know if we make the S16 this year it'll be "yeah but they made a lucky run, they didn't even compete for the conference title" or "wake me up when he makes an E8 or F4".
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« Reply #125 on: March 06, 2023, 09:39:48 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 06, 2023, 09:02:50 AM
And that's why these other Big Ten teams make the Sweet 16 every year?  Like MSU (one S16 in the last 7 years), OSU (no S16's in the last 10 years), Indiana (one S16 in the last 9 years)?

Maybe the fan base expected them - based on our program's history, which is really good by the way, expecting S16's yearly is a good way to cycle through coaches every three or four years.  Maybe that's what dumbass fans "expected", but Illinois has simply never been that.  Very, very few programs have.

I think a lot of that unrealistic expectation is a group of fans who were a certain impressionable age in the early 2000's, one of the few 5-year stretches in our history where we made more than one S16.  They set their expectations for life based on that unusually good stretch, and their expectations stopped being realistic very quickly.  So now rather that recognizing that it's super rare for a program to be a legit S16 team/contender every single year, they have decided that the 350 or so schools for who that isn't the case just suck.

The funny part is knowing our idiot fans well enough to know if we make the S16 this year it'll be "yeah but they made a lucky run, they didn't even compete for the conference title" or "wake me up when he makes an E8 or F4".

One of the early posts specified the last 25 years. If you narrow it to the last 7-10, then the results will be different. (Although you'd still have Final Fours with Wisconsin, Michigan St., Michigan, etc., but the "(grunt) BIG TEN SUCX! (fart)" people have a strong life force.)

And yeah, higher expectations do lead to cycling through coaches. I don't like that, either, but we can never again have another situation like with Guenther where the AD proclaims he doesn't want to hire another coach, and then the expectations are floor-level.
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« Reply #126 on: March 06, 2023, 09:56:18 AM »
Quote from: IVMP on March 06, 2023, 09:39:48 AM
One of the early posts specified the last 25 years. If you narrow it to the last 7-10, then the results will be different. (Although you'd still have Final Fours with Wisconsin, Michigan St., Michigan, etc., but the "(grunt) BIG TEN SUCX! (fart)" people have a strong life force.)

And yeah, higher expectations do lead to cycling through coaches. I don't like that, either, but we can never again have another situation like with Guenther where the AD proclaims he doesn't want to hire another coach, and then the expectations are floor-level.

Well, the claim was expecting a S16 every year.  That obviously isn’t realistic for anyone in our league or I figure one of these HOF coaches would’ve done it.

And cycling through coaches is a good way to ensure you never have a consistent team.

It’s a loser’s game.

Get into the tournament every year, most years with a favored seed and you’ll have tournament success.  Fire the guys who build you into that quickly for not having tournament success and you will be starting over constantly.
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« Reply #127 on: March 06, 2023, 01:23:36 PM »
The problem here is, the goalposts keep moving. First it's not an annual goal, but then the time frame moves from the last 25 years to the last few.

Obviously if you just look at the last few seasons, you don't have Big Ten teams advancing consistently. But you don't have to go back to the Nichi era to see a time when things were different.
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« Reply #128 on: March 06, 2023, 02:29:47 PM »
Quote from: Illinifan5775 on March 06, 2023, 08:50:21 AM
Yes, Brandon Roy. And yes, big time fail at stopping him. Wasn't Dee trying to guard him, Dee was too small to guard him. He made it to the NBA but knee problems derailed his career if I remember correctly.

I thought Dee Brown was trying to guard him. But I was not sure if that was correct. As mentioned earlier, I had to work during part of the game and then never could get back to see much of it on TV.

Knee issues were the undoing of Roy in the NBA.
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« Reply #129 on: March 06, 2023, 02:35:25 PM »
looked at our tourney history, we've gotten past the 2nd rd 4 times in last 33 years

19 appearances

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« Reply #130 on: March 06, 2023, 02:47:33 PM »
Quote from: sharethejuice on March 06, 2023, 02:35:25 PM
looked at our tourney history, we've gotten past the 2nd rd 4 times in last 33 years

19 appearances

With some really dumb losses. The 1990 team wasn't comparable to the previous year, but losing to Dayton in the first round was dumb. Then probation.

I was at the 1995 game where Illinois lost to Tulsa. That actually was a good effort, but they didn't guard hard, particularly against Shea Seals.

The 1997-98 team was good but was outmatched against Maryland.

The 1999-2000 team got blitzed by Florida, which made it to the title game.

I think the losses in 2002 and 2003 were to good Kansas and Notre Dame teams.

The dismal era started in 2006.
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« Reply #131 on: March 06, 2023, 02:53:39 PM »
Quote from: IVMP on March 06, 2023, 02:47:33 PM
With some really dumb losses. The 1990 team wasn't comparable to the previous year, but losing to Dayton in the first round was dumb. Then probation.

I was at the 1995 game where Illinois lost to Tulsa. That actually was a good effort, but they didn't guard hard, particularly against Shea Seals.

The 1997-98 team was good but was outmatched against Maryland.

The 1999-2000 team got blitzed by Florida, which made it to the title game.

I think the losses in 2002 and 2003 were to good Kansas and Notre Dame teams.

The dismal era started in 2006.

The 97 Chattanooga lost hurt to since the sweet 16 opponent would have been 10 seeded Providence though they gave Zona a run for their money in elite 8
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« Reply #132 on: March 06, 2023, 03:03:11 PM »
Quote from: sharethejuice on March 06, 2023, 02:53:39 PM
The 97 Chattanooga lost hurt to since the sweet 16 opponent would have been 10 seeded Providence though they gave Zona a run for their money in elite 8

I was in Charlotte for the first game that year. Southern Cal was not a good team and probably should not have been in the tournament. I also saw Chattanooga knock out Georgia, and I remember thinking they were good for a 14 seed, not knowing what would happen next. Couldn't stay for the next round, though.
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« Reply #133 on: March 06, 2023, 10:19:59 PM »
Quote from: IVMP on March 06, 2023, 02:29:47 PM
I thought Dee Brown was trying to guard him. But I was not sure if that was correct. As mentioned earlier, I had to work during part of the game and then never could get back to see much of it on TV.

Knee issues were the undoing of Roy in the NBA.
Maybe Dee was guarding him, along with McBride.
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« Reply #134 on: March 06, 2023, 10:47:29 PM »
Quote from: sharethejuice on March 05, 2023, 07:41:55 AM
or 2007 against Va Tech, up 10 with 4:29 left and Va Tech goes on a 12-0 run

And so began our rapid descent into the basketball abyss. Tenn St, 38-33, Utah, Bradley, 2012 Nebraska, UIC...oh don't even get me started on UIC. We should have forfeited our spot in that year's tourney based on that loss alone.

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