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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #1020 on: February 04, 2025, 03:26:49 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on February 04, 2025, 03:15:21 PM
It looks like Trump just went through a bunch of drama to get the same agreement Canada agreed to in December.

I noticed that is the current favorite meme of the moment, haven’t had a chance to dig into it more. He definitely wanted to publicly embarrass Trudeau. I thought his policies during Covid were outright fascist.
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #1021 on: February 04, 2025, 04:56:26 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on February 04, 2025, 02:56:51 PM
The information they need is available on the Internet.

dude these are Republicans

1) They don't work
2) If they wanted to work, they are too dumb to use the internet
3) If they could use the internet, they'd use it for porn.
4) Gay porn.
5) If not porn, they'd find something counter to their narrative
6) They'd call that fake news
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #1022 on: February 04, 2025, 04:57:20 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 04, 2025, 03:04:01 PM
Mexico and Canada need us way more than we need them.

I always knew you drank fake tequila and "Maple" syrup made from HFCS
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #1023 on: February 04, 2025, 04:58:39 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on February 04, 2025, 03:23:46 PM
What was your point in posting screen shots of cherry picked documents with absolutely no context?

Shitposting. We've been through this many times.

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #1024 on: February 04, 2025, 05:00:14 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 04, 2025, 03:26:49 PM
He definitely wanted to publicly embarrass Trudeau.

What former leader is he going after next? Pierre Trudeau? Merkel? Thatcher? Maybe Churchill? Certainly not Chamberlain, Chamberlain is a favorite of Trump.
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #1025 on: February 04, 2025, 05:42:23 PM »
"Musk also defended his team's actions at Treasury by saying, "The @DOGE team discovered, among other things, that payment approval officers at Treasury were instructed always to approve payments, even to known fraudulent or terrorist groups. They literally never denied a payment in their entire career. Not even once."

A Democratic staff official on the Senate Finance Committee told USA TODAY on Monday that Musk's comment suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of how the process works. The system, he said on the condition of anonymity, is basically the U.S. government's checkbook for payments already approved by Congress. To find waste, fraud and abuse, the staffer said, Musk would need to go to the agencies that are actually spending the money."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/03/dems-elon-musk-doge-takeover-treasury/78187978007/
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #1026 on: February 04, 2025, 05:47:40 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on February 04, 2025, 05:00:14 PM
What former leader is he going after next? Pierre Trudeau? Merkel? Thatcher? Maybe Churchill? Certainly not Chamberlain, Chamberlain is a favorite of Trump.

He is going to destroy Lincoln.
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #1027 on: February 04, 2025, 05:48:52 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 04, 2025, 03:04:01 PM
Mexico and Canada need us way more than we need them.

If a trade war erupts with Canada, Americans will feel the pain through higher prices on things like fertilizers, petroleum, lumber, electricity, and paper products. Canada will also retaliate with a set of targeted tariffs on U.S. products.  Perhaps the biggest club in their toolbox is the energy “nuclear” option, whereby Canada cuts crude oil and electricity exports to the Northeast and Midwest. 

We are no longer the nation that largely feeds itself or produces what it uses.  Corporations changed all that, chasing lower wages and operating costs.  We are now fully integrated into the world economy and Americans will find out the hard way that we need the rest of the world as much as they need us.
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #1028 on: February 04, 2025, 06:19:08 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on February 04, 2025, 05:48:52 PM
If a trade war erupts with Canada, Americans will feel the pain through higher prices on things like fertilizers, petroleum, lumber, electricity, and paper products. Canada will also retaliate with a set of targeted tariffs on U.S. products.  Perhaps the biggest club in their toolbox is the energy “nuclear” option, whereby Canada cuts crude oil and electricity exports to the Northeast and Midwest. 

We are no longer the nation that largely feeds itself or produces what it uses.  Corporations changed all that, chasing lower wages and operating costs.  We are now fully integrated into the world economy and Americans will find out the hard way that we need the rest of the world as much as they need us.

We now consistently have a better u20 national hockey team so the Canucks can suck it! We shall show them in the 4 Nations tourney that our US NHL pros are better than theirs too to complete the humiliation of Canada! USA! USA! USA!
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #1029 on: February 04, 2025, 07:18:06 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 04, 2025, 06:19:08 PM
We now consistently have a better u20 national hockey team so the Canucks can suck it! We shall show them in the 4 Nations tourney that our US NHL pros are better than theirs too to complete the humiliation of Canada! USA! USA! USA!

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #1030 on: February 04, 2025, 07:24:58 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on February 04, 2025, 07:18:06 PM
Hockey - Canada's Soccer. WGAFF

The Soviets do because they have been shut out of all international competitions!
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #1031 on: February 04, 2025, 07:52:41 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on February 04, 2025, 05:48:52 PM
If a trade war erupts with Canada, Americans will feel the pain through higher prices on things like fertilizers, petroleum, lumber, electricity, and paper products. Canada will also retaliate with a set of targeted tariffs on U.S. products.  Perhaps the biggest club in their toolbox is the energy “nuclear” option, whereby Canada cuts crude oil and electricity exports to the Northeast and Midwest. 

We are no longer the nation that largely feeds itself or produces what it uses.  Corporations changed all that, chasing lower wages and operating costs.  We are now fully integrated into the world economy and Americans will find out the hard way that we need the rest of the world as much as they need us.

We absolutely feed ourselves and produce a lot of what we use. Blame the corporations all you want—and you will because you’re a lefty—but shitty trade agreements, greedy unions and overregulation also had a LOT to do with outsourcing.

Corporations work within a framework and will seek to provide a good at the lowest cost of production. Instead of protecting American labor we literally priced ourselves out of millions of decent to good blue collar jobs and moved them overseas.

What’s the carbon footprint on shipping cheap shit from China (where they have little pollution regulation) on giant ships?
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #1032 on: February 04, 2025, 08:09:25 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 04, 2025, 07:52:41 PM
We absolutely feed ourselves and produce a lot of what we use. Blame the corporations all you want—and you will because you’re a lefty—but shitty trade agreements, greedy unions and overregulation also had a LOT to do with outsourcing.

Corporations work within a framework and will seek to provide a good at the lowest cost of production. Instead of protecting America labor we literally priced ourselves out of millions of decent to good blue collar jobs and moved them overseas.

What’s the carbon footprint on shipping cheap shit from China (where they have little pollution regulation) on giant ships?

We can manufacture Cheetos until the end of days.
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« Reply #1033 on: February 04, 2025, 08:57:26 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 04, 2025, 07:52:41 PM
We absolutely feed ourselves and produce a lot of what we use. Blame the corporations all you want—and you will because you’re a lefty—but shitty trade agreements, greedy unions and overregulation also had a LOT to do with outsourcing.

Corporations work within a framework and will seek to provide a good at the lowest cost of production. Instead of protecting America labor we literally priced ourselves out of millions of decent to good blue collar jobs and moved them overseas.

What’s the carbon footprint on shipping cheap shit from China (where they have little pollution regulation) on giant ships?

Where did you get your talking points?  The mouthpieces at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce? 

"Shitty" free trade agreements?  You mean the trade agreement that Trump negotiated with Canada and Mexico in 2020?  Or that "historical trade deal" with China that he worked out with his "very, very good friend" President Xi.       

And we aren’t feeding ourselves.  The U.S. is focused on growing and exporting low-value corn and soybeans, primarily to he used for livestock feed, ethanol, sugars, starches and oil.  We have a system where large amounts of fresh produce have to be imported from other countries instead of growing it on American soil.  Over the last two decades, the percentage of U.S. fruit and vegetable supply that is imported has surged, particularly for tomatoes, cucumbers, and bell peppers.  Fruits and vegetables are higher-value products than the corn and soybeans the U.S. food and farm system currently prioritizes.  We need to change our domestic system to support a transition from corn-soy rotation to vegetables.  I don't expect that to happen under Trump. 
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« Reply #1034 on: February 04, 2025, 09:12:01 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on February 04, 2025, 08:57:26 PM
Where did you get your talking points?  The mouthpieces at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce? 

"Shitty" free trade agreements?  You mean the trade agreement that Trump negotiated with Canada and Mexico in 2020?  Or that "historical trade deal" with China that he worked out with his "very, very good friend" President Xi.       

And we aren’t feeding ourselves.  The U.S. is focused on growing and exporting low-value corn and soybeans, primarily to he used for livestock feed, ethanol, sugars, starches and oil.  We have a system where large amounts of fresh produce have to be imported from other countries instead of growing it on American soil.  Over the last two decades, the percentage of U.S. fruit and vegetable supply that is imported has surged, particularly for tomatoes, cucumbers, and bell peppers.  Fruits and vegetables are higher-value products than the corn and soybeans the U.S. food and farm system currently prioritizes.  We need to change our domestic system to support a transition from corn-soy rotation to vegetables.  I don't expect that to happen under Trump.

NAFTA?!?!

We only import around 15% of our food, and very little we can’t live without. We import mostly stuff we either can’t grow here, or specialty/ethnic foods from other nations. Some things can be grown cheaper elsewhere and imported—sometimes due to regulations here.

As I literally argued the other day, give farmers the financial incentive to diversify, and they will. Problem for vegetables is they don’t currently have the equipment or the irrigation, and it’s super labor intensive, the agronomy is entirely different, and there are regulations here that don’t exist in other places.

Meanwhile, those other places are already equipped to grow those things, so it makes no sense to reengineer it here, and we’d have to literally import their workforce to do it here. There are other crops like chickpeas and other sources of plant protein that midwestern row crop farmers could successfully grow without expensive wholesale changes to their operations.
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