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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2020, 11:38:54 PM »
Quote from: Custard on June 10, 2020, 10:15:27 PM
You routinely—perhaps obsessively—rant against the actions and words of our elected officials, yet simultaneously plead for the elected officials within our government to intervene on a greater scale.

I don’t have an issue with the points you make, I guess I just have a hard time understanding how we get from point A to point B with the system as it currently exists.

I assume you think that the Democratic Party offers we the people the best opportunity to achieve your ideological concepts, but the best they can offer us is an addled, boring old man.

If there was ever a time for a legitimate third party candidate to step in, it would be now.

Translation: I love Trump, moar Jill Stein now
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2020, 11:58:44 PM »
Quote from: Custard on June 10, 2020, 10:15:27 PM
You routinely—perhaps obsessively—rant against the actions and words of our elected officials, yet simultaneously plead for the elected officials within our government to intervene on a greater scale.

I don’t have an issue with the points you make, I guess I just have a hard time understanding how we get from point A to point B with the system as it currently exists.

I assume you think that the Democratic Party offers we the people the best opportunity to achieve your ideological concepts, but the best they can offer us is an addled, boring old man.

If there was ever a time for a legitimate third party candidate to step in, it would be now.

I support private property, private enterprise, free markets, and free trade. Government has a role, as does organized labor. There needs to be checks and balances, not just between the branches and levels of government, but also between industry, government, and labor.

I am not opposed to the actions and words of all elected officials. We are just not going to have good government from a Republican Party dominated by people who hate unions -- except the police unions --  and don't believe good government is even possible.

You are not wrong if you think the current two-party system is flawed. I just don't see multiple parties working unless the Electoral College is either scrapped or reformed (proportional voting might help). In the meantime,  it is a matter of which Party is best right now.  I generally prefer Republicans, but can not support the predatory capitalists and nationalists currently running the Party.

Biden is not the best public speaker, but he seems to be a solid mainstream 'social democrat,'  not a left wing progressive.     
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2020, 08:59:30 AM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2020, 09:30:05 AM »
A big problem for the left is their lack of competence in labeling their proposals.  Medicare for all, Green New Deal, Defund Police etc...  They hamstring themselves by giving  the opposition easy talking points with which to bash the concepts.  Universal Healthcare, Jobs for the Next Century, Reinvent Policing would be better just off the top of my head.  Definitely need to enlist the services of marketing folks.  "Fix the Damn Roads!" worked for that woman in Michigan. 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2020, 09:46:45 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 11, 2020, 08:59:30 AM
Quote from: ILLove1997 on June 10, 2020, 09:36:42 PM
Quote from: illiniray on June 10, 2020, 03:16:10 PM
the right is currently dominated by ethnic nationalists

lolololol

Did you go to this protest?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8408231/Men-KKK-hoods-Trump-flag-try-disrupt-Black-Lives-Matter-rally-Nevada.html

do you not understand how stupid that statement is...

and why would I ever find my self in Fallon

I got better things to do
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2020, 09:49:45 AM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on June 11, 2020, 09:46:45 AM
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 11, 2020, 08:59:30 AM
Quote from: ILLove1997 on June 10, 2020, 09:36:42 PM
Quote from: illiniray on June 10, 2020, 03:16:10 PM
the right is currently dominated by ethnic nationalists

lolololol

Did you go to this protest?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8408231/Men-KKK-hoods-Trump-flag-try-disrupt-Black-Lives-Matter-rally-Nevada.html

do you not understand how stupid that statement is...

and why would I ever find my self in Fallon

I got better things to do

I thought you might either be one of the pro-cops or the KKK protestors.

The way you sell Nevada as Nirvana, I didn't realize there were parts you won't go to.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2020, 09:50:19 AM »
also LMFAO

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/black-twitter-mocks-pelosi-schumer-kente-cloth

really weird none of the other "unbiased" outlets aren't covering this
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2020, 10:36:34 AM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on June 11, 2020, 09:50:19 AM
also LMFAO

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/black-twitter-mocks-pelosi-schumer-kente-cloth

really weird none of the other "unbiased" outlets aren't covering this
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Maybe when you can pull yourself away from Fox News and the YouTube conspiracy channels: 

New Yorker, The Embarrassment of Democrats Wearing Kente-Cloth Stoles
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/on-and-off-the-avenue/the-embarrassment-of-democrats-wearing-kente-cloth-stoles

CNN, Congressional Democrats criticized for wearing Kente cloth at event honoring George Floyd
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/politics/democrats-criticized-kente-cloth-trnd/index.html

BuzzFeed, The Performative Political BS Has To Stop
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/shannonkeating/democrats-kente-cloth-pelosi-cuomo-bowser-black-lives-matter

Daily Beast, Trevor Noah Roasts Nancy Pelosi and Dems for Kente Cloth Fiasco
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trevor-noah-roasts-nancy-pelosi-and-democrats-for-donning-kente-cloths-to-honor-george-floyd

Try to keep up. 


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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2020, 10:44:13 AM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on June 11, 2020, 09:50:19 AM
also LMFAO

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/black-twitter-mocks-pelosi-schumer-kente-cloth

really weird none of the other "unbiased" outlets aren't covering this
You just don't appreciate using appropriation for a good photo op.
I did enjoy the clip of Pelosi not being able to stand up, and the
'I've pandered and I can't get up' comment attached to it. lol.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2020, 10:46:53 AM »
https://nationalfile.com/seattle-autonomous-zone-warlord-creates-private-police-force-gets-dubbed-black-george-zimmerman/

lmao

apparently they also ran out of food in two days as well because homeless people were stealing it, yay communism!

or maybe its totally a fake hoax, still funny
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2020, 10:47:18 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on June 11, 2020, 10:36:34 AM
Quote from: ILLove1997 on June 11, 2020, 09:50:19 AM
also LMFAO

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/black-twitter-mocks-pelosi-schumer-kente-cloth

really weird none of the other "unbiased" outlets aren't covering this
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Maybe when you can pull yourself away from Fox News and the YouTube conspiracy channels: 

New Yorker, The Embarrassment of Democrats Wearing Kente-Cloth Stoles
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/on-and-off-the-avenue/the-embarrassment-of-democrats-wearing-kente-cloth-stoles

CNN, Congressional Democrats criticized for wearing Kente cloth at event honoring George Floyd
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/politics/democrats-criticized-kente-cloth-trnd/index.html

BuzzFeed, The Performative Political BS Has To Stop
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/shannonkeating/democrats-kente-cloth-pelosi-cuomo-bowser-black-lives-matter

Daily Beast, Trevor Noah Roasts Nancy Pelosi and Dems for Kente Cloth Fiasco
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trevor-noah-roasts-nancy-pelosi-and-democrats-for-donning-kente-cloths-to-honor-george-floyd

Try to keep up.

hey man I don't have all day to goggle things
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2020, 10:48:26 AM »
OK. I read the CNN link....
It's all about solidarity, so don't criticize.

Rep. Karen Bass, chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, said at the news conference unveiling new legislation -- aimed at cracking down on police brutality and reforming policing in the US -- that the white lawmakers were wearing the cloths in an act of solidarity.
"The significance of the Kente cloth is our African heritage," Bass said. "And for those of you without that heritage, we're acting in solidarity.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2020, 11:02:18 AM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on June 11, 2020, 10:46:53 AM
https://nationalfile.com/seattle-autonomous-zone-warlord-creates-private-police-force-gets-dubbed-black-george-zimmerman/

lmao

apparently they also ran out of food in two days as well because homeless people were stealing it, yay communism!

or maybe its totally a fake hoax, still funny

Why am I not surprised you read National File.

From MediaBias/FactCheck:

“Founded in 2019, National File is a conspiracy and pseudoscience website that reports from a conservative perspective. According to their about page: “National File is a bold new media project focused on hard news regarding cultural movements, political issues, the tech industry, and other topics pertaining to the New Right. Our team includes distinguished journalists with previous experience at Breitbart, The Daily Caller, Free Beacon, The Gateway Pundit, GameRanx, One Angry Gamer, and Big League Politics.”

“National File frequently publishes conspiracies such as the Clintons being involved in human sex trafficking to World Trade Center conspiracies, implying that the towers were taken down by controlled demolition. Neither of these claims have been proven, in fact, they have been debunked. They also reject human influenced climate change and frequently resort to pseudoscience or junk science to validate their points. Finally, they promote anti-vaccine propaganda such as this: Parents Take To The Streets To Save Vaccine Exemptions From Political Elites. In general, National File is a light version of Infowars that lacks credibility.”

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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/national-file/
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2020, 11:04:50 AM »
Quote from: Mn on June 11, 2020, 10:48:26 AM
OK. I read the CNN link....
It's all about solidarity, so don't criticize.

Rep. Karen Bass, chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, said at the news conference unveiling new legislation -- aimed at cracking down on police brutality and reforming policing in the US -- that the white lawmakers were wearing the cloths in an act of solidarity.
"The significance of the Kente cloth is our African heritage," Bass said. "And for those of you without that heritage, we're acting in solidarity.

Nice attempt at cherry-picking one of the articles.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2020, 11:09:05 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on June 11, 2020, 11:04:50 AM
Quote from: Mn on June 11, 2020, 10:48:26 AM
OK. I read the CNN link....
It's all about solidarity, so don't criticize.

Rep. Karen Bass, chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, said at the news conference unveiling new legislation -- aimed at cracking down on police brutality and reforming policing in the US -- that the white lawmakers were wearing the cloths in an act of solidarity.
"The significance of the Kente cloth is our African heritage," Bass said. "And for those of you without that heritage, we're acting in solidarity.

Nice attempt at cherry-picking one of the articles.
I cherry picked the dont criticize us, its solidarity.
You posted the link.  :D
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