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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8535 on: December 08, 2025, 10:12:36 AM »
Trump has already set aside due process in his war on brown skinned immigrants; including many who were/are here legally via various programs.

Trump.hsd also promised to use similar terrorist tactics (like bombing the boats) against drug dealers on US soil.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8536 on: December 08, 2025, 11:22:12 AM »
Weird false equivalency, but we’ve grown accustomed to you siding with the drug runners.

We do provide food stamps, and lots of them. Having a nation awash in cheap, plentiful drugs is not a good thing. People hate their lives, they start using and feel better for a while, then it consumes them and ruins their lives.

The left’s stance that we should just let drug trade happen is indefensible, but here you are. Lucky for you, you’ll still be able to afford your drug(s) of choice even when the supply dwindles!

No. I don't speak for "the left", but the stance of pretty much everyone other than the weirdest MAGA fuckups is that bombing boats just because you think there *might* be some drugs on them, is not cool.

It makes no sense. Even from a drug war standpoint. The Coast Guard stops a boat and seizes X amount of kilos of cocaine. This is a clear victory, we got clear criminals, seized the drugs, nobody is going to push back on it, US looks good. Bust a meth cooking operation in Albequerque. Good. Or say we coordinate with Mexico, Columbia, whomever, to put some impact on some larger operation. Good, cooperative. Even if I believe, rightly so, that it's just putting a finger into a hole in a dike that just results in the drugs flowing through some different hole, it's a worthwhile operation.

Blowing out some fishing boat that *might* have some drugs on it is a bad look with little or perhaps no actual return, other countries will be less likely to cooperate with us in the future for operations that would have 100x the return.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8537 on: December 08, 2025, 11:25:18 AM »
Trump is actually using the military and sending a strong message, but you don’t like that because it’s Trump and you’d rather side with the narco terrorists than him. You have a pretty long history of defending criminals, especially if they’re “minorities”, so your stance is unsurprising I suppose.

Frankly, if you really wanted to hurt the cartels, it's not the military you want to use. This is just a dog and pony show.

If you want to hit them, you have to break up the money laundering. Make it impossible for the drug cartels to extract the profits.

The problem is, that Trump and Co. *benefit* from the money laundering.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8538 on: December 08, 2025, 05:08:34 PM »
No. I don't speak for "the left", but the stance of pretty much everyone other than the weirdest MAGA fuckups is that bombing boats just because you think there *might* be some drugs on them, is not cool.

It makes no sense. Even from a drug war standpoint. The Coast Guard stops a boat and seizes X amount of kilos of cocaine. This is a clear victory, we got clear criminals, seized the drugs, nobody is going to push back on it, US looks good. Bust a meth cooking operation in Albequerque. Good. Or say we coordinate with Mexico, Columbia, whomever, to put some impact on some larger operation. Good, cooperative. Even if I believe, rightly so, that it's just putting a finger into a hole in a dike that just results in the drugs flowing through some different hole, it's a worthwhile operation.

Blowing out some fishing boat that *might* have some drugs on it is a bad look with little or perhaps no actual return, other countries will be less likely to cooperate with us in the future for operations that would have 100x the return.


Ain’t nobody going out in the open ocean in a speedboat at night with no lights and 8-10x more fuel than any reasonable adventure might require. The administration and military also know these things will be scrutinized beyond belief, so there’s no way they’re just blowing up some random pleasure craft. But you know that.

The conversation has mostly shifted from “no evidence these were drug boats” to “well it was just cocaine and it was probably going to Europe” as if that is the winning argument for most normal Americans.

I don’t feel bad for these drug runners at all, and you shouldn’t either, because these scumbags would happily take out your family or traffic Ray’s grand daughter for a few hundred US dollars. Fuck em.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8539 on: December 08, 2025, 05:28:58 PM »

Ain’t nobody going out in the open ocean in a speedboat at night with no lights and 8-10x more fuel than any reasonable adventure might require. The administration and military also know these things will be scrutinized beyond belief, so there’s no way they’re just blowing up some random pleasure craft. But you know that.

The conversation has mostly shifted from “no evidence these were drug boats” to “well it was just cocaine and it was probably going to Europe” as if that is the winning argument for most normal Americans.

I don’t feel bad for these drug runners at all, and you shouldn’t either, because these scumbags would happily take out your family or traffic Ray’s grand daughter for a few hundred US dollars. Fuck em.

They keep changing their fucking story on this every five minutes. 

If the military knows who they were and what they were doing, provide some proof.  And then we can get into why they chose to use deadly force rather than attempt to seize (the normal procedure) and then murdered two helpless survivors in a non-wartime situation in an operation not authorized by Congress.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8540 on: December 08, 2025, 05:35:53 PM »
They keep changing their fucking story on this every five minutes. 

If the military knows who they were and what they were doing, provide some proof.  And then we can get into why they chose to use deadly force rather than attempt to seize (the normal procedure) and then murdered two helpless survivors in a non-wartime situation in an operation not authorized by Congress.

They know who they were. They were nobodies. They just want a pretext for invasion. Which Custard will tell us the invasion of Venezuela is glorious, thanks to our alliance with Eastasia.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8541 on: December 08, 2025, 09:41:41 PM »
Sounds like things aren’t going so well for the DC DEI police chief. Trump was right, again.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8542 on: December 08, 2025, 10:03:12 PM »
Sounds like things aren’t going so well for the DC DEI police chief. Trump was right, again.

hmm. You're right. I was wrong about Trump this whole time.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8543 on: December 08, 2025, 10:44:56 PM »
hmm. You're right. I was wrong about Trump this whole time.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8544 on: December 08, 2025, 11:50:51 PM »
Trump has already set aside due process in his war on brown skinned immigrants; including many who were/are here legally via various programs.

Trump.hsd also promised to use similar terrorist tactics (like bombing the boats) against drug dealers on US soil.

The war on “brown skinned immigrants”

LOL

Look, we all know you’re this John Lennon style open borders guy, but the overwhelming vast majority of those people should never have been here in the first place. Have you seen what’s happened to Europe since they opened their borders? (If Europe is too far away, look at Minnesota)

Trump had a mandate from the people to carry out this operation. Where was all this concern about brown skinned immigrants when Obama was shipping people out at an even higher rate?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8545 on: December 09, 2025, 12:43:17 AM »
The war on “brown skinned immigrants”

LOL

Look, we all know you’re this John Lennon style open borders guy, but the overwhelming vast majority of those people should never have been here in the first place. Have you seen what’s happened to Europe since they opened their borders? (If Europe is too far away, look at Minnesota)

Trump had a mandate from the people to carry out this operation. Where was all this concern about brown skinned immigrants when Obama was shipping people out at an even higher rate?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8546 on: December 09, 2025, 05:28:37 AM »

The conversation has mostly shifted from “no evidence these were drug boats” to “well it was just cocaine and it was probably going to Europe” as if that is the winning argument for most normal Americans.

Wrong. If these boats are running drugs; it's cocaine likely destined for Europe from the Caribbean. It's not getting to the United States by small boat from Venezuela.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8547 on: December 09, 2025, 05:45:46 AM »
Wrong. If these boats are running drugs; it's cocaine likely destined for Europe from the Caribbean. It's not getting to the United States by small boat from Venezuela.

Fascinating… and YOU (more so than the President and military intelligence) know this how exactly?! 🤔
Because FOX News told me so…

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8548 on: December 09, 2025, 05:56:08 AM »
I mean, there was completely fabricated documentation and such that was presented as actual reporting/evidence at Trump’s expense, which is pretty much exactly what a hoax is.

I think it might be more accurate for you to say you prefer to keep your head buried in the sand because it is preferable to facing the facts. It’s never been more clear that people are going to believe what they want to believe, even with the flimsiest of evidence.

Multiple investigations concluded that the Russians interfered in the 2016 election on behalf of Trump in an unprecedented manner to an extreme extent. This was not ,"business as usual, they all do it all the time".

AI Overview:

Neither the official U.S. government investigations nor subsequent reporting has produced evidence that Donald Trump was a knowing or "recruited and controlled" Russian agent.

However, multiple investigations, journalistic accounts, and former intelligence officers have highlighted extensive ties between Trump associates and Russia-linked individuals, the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 election to benefit Trump, and a pattern of behavior and policy decisions by Trump that often aligned with Russian interests.

Key Findings from Official Investigations

Mueller Report: The Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation concluded in 2019 that while the Russian government interfered in the 2016 election in "sweeping and systematic fashion," it "did not establish or disprove  that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities" in a criminal sense.

Senate Intelligence Committee Report: A bipartisan Senate report released in 2020 affirmed that Russia engaged in an "extensive campaign" to sabotage the election. It detailed that Trump associates, including Paul Manafort, had regular contact with individuals tied to Russian intelligence and that the campaign expected to benefit from the Kremlin's help, but the report also stopped short of proving a criminal conspiracy.

Intelligence Community Assessment: The U.S. intelligence community has consistently maintained that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a campaign to interfere in the 2016 election with the goal of helping Trump win.

Other Evidence and Allegations

Circumstantial Evidence: Pundits, former intelligence officers, and some authors argue that while no "smoking gun" proves Trump was a formal agent, a pattern of circumstantial evidence suggests he has been a long-term "useful asset" (someone whose actions align with a foreign power's goals, even if not explicitly directed).

Contacts and Cover-ups: Reports documented hundreds of contacts between Trump associates and Russian nationals or intermediaries during the 2016 campaign and transition period, many of which were not initially reported to authorities.

Policy and Rhetoric: Critics point to Trump's public praise for Putin, his questioning of the U.S. intelligence community's findings on Russian interference, and specific policy decisions (such as delaying military aid to Ukraine) as evidence that his actions consistently favored Russian interests, which some view as a functional form of being an asset.


Financial Ties: Trump has a history of business dealings involving Russian interests, including a $95 million real estate sale in 2008 to a Russian billionaire.

In summary, the official investigations did not find evidence of a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. However, the comprehensive evidence of Russian interference, extensive contacts by Trump's team, and Trump's behavior and policy choices have led some analysts and political figures to assert that he functioned, wittingly or unwittingly, as a Russian asset.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8549 on: December 09, 2025, 05:59:52 AM »
Wrong. If these boats are running drugs; it's cocaine likely destined for Europe from the Caribbean. It's not getting to the United States by small boat from Venezuela.
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