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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6435 on: November 07, 2024, 08:06:29 PM »
Is lying bad? Yes or no?

There is unintentionally misspeaking, deception, and pathologically lying.

The first is just misremembering. It happens to all of us. It gets worse at we age. There is no intent to deceive  and no harm done.

The 2nd sort of depends depends on the motive.  It is wrong if it is done for personal gain and / or to harm others.

The third is stuff like believing you coined the phrase "prime the pump" or invented the term "fake news" That is a symptom a serious personality disorder.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2024, 09:07:40 PM by illiniray »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6436 on: November 07, 2024, 08:14:38 PM »
And Pritzker.

If that happens,  you could make some real cash if you could monetize downloads of the Inspector General's report on how the billionaire cheated on his real estate taxes until he ran for governor.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6437 on: November 07, 2024, 08:19:25 PM »
Is lying bad? Yes or no?

Are some lies worse than others? Yes or no?
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6438 on: November 07, 2024, 08:21:52 PM »
I’d say lying in order to weaponize support to dismantle democratic norms is worse than fudging about where you were at a certain place and time. Unless you’re being questioned about a murder…even then…
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6439 on: November 07, 2024, 08:47:27 PM »
I’d say lying in order to weaponize support to dismantle democratic norms is worse than fudging about where you were at a certain place and time. Unless you’re being questioned about a murder…even then…

His exaggerations went beyond the China one.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6440 on: November 07, 2024, 08:48:27 PM »
Lol
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6441 on: November 07, 2024, 09:09:01 PM »
Are some lies worse than others? Yes or no?

Of course.

But this all started by PAMan saying he had problems with telling the truth. It appeared that this was the first you’d ever heard of it. Then we’ve got Nichi over here downplaying it all as cognitive decline just like he did with Biden. Walz was lying a decade or two ago. He wasn’t that old then.

Then you’ve come full circle to admitting he lied and are now doing the predictable “well Trump lied more and about worse things” nonsense.

Maybe instead of arguing over who is the biggest and worst liar we should try a novel concept like nominating competent people who don’t lie.

It really dilutes your argument about Trump being a liar when the guy you were  fellating this summer turns out to be a liar, regardless of scale.

Harris picked him specifically because he was going to be this salt of the earth guy that appealed to midwesterners. Turns out he’s a serial liar that let his primary city burn to appease the progressives, and everyone knew it but you.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6442 on: November 07, 2024, 09:12:19 PM »
and everyone knew it but you.

Tempo's "LOL" post above yours is confirmation of this.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6443 on: November 07, 2024, 09:25:44 PM »
Tempo's "LOL" post above yours is confirmation of this.

That was intentional.

Still laughing that Murph thinks this is all about the price of eggs. Poster child for why the left is getting their asses handed to them and can’t figure out why.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6444 on: November 07, 2024, 10:46:56 PM »
That was intentional.

Still laughing that Murph thinks this is all about the price of eggs. Poster child for why the left is getting their asses handed to them and can’t figure out why.

Murph is right.  And it wasn't ALL about the price of eggs. 

For many working class and minority voters who broke for Trump, post-COVID economic anxiety (e.g., housing costs, interest rates and retail prices) with some anti-incumbency feelings mixed in were key drivers in this election. 

These people are living paycheck to paycheck.  Their economic dissatisfaction was enough to make a difference, particularly in the battleground states.  Heck, some polling showed more than 50% of the voters thought the country was on the wrong economic track. 

I wish Harris had spent more time sharpening her economic populism message instead of parading around with Liz Cheney.   

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6445 on: November 07, 2024, 11:02:44 PM »
Unfortunately 97 is my fiduciary

No wonder you don't give a fuck and want to burn it all down.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6446 on: November 07, 2024, 11:02:54 PM »
Murph is right.  And it wasn't ALL about the price of eggs. 

For many working class and minority voters who broke for Trump, post-COVID economic anxiety (e.g., housing costs, interest rates and retail prices) with some anti-incumbency feelings mixed in were key drivers in this election. 

These people are living paycheck to paycheck.  Their economic dissatisfaction was enough to make a difference, particularly in the battleground states.  Heck, some polling showed more than 50% of the voters thought the country was on the wrong economic track. 

I wish Harris had spent more time sharpening her economic populism message instead of parading around with Liz Cheney.

You responded to my post about democrats not knowing why they lost with four paragraphs explaining exactly how you don’t know how you lost.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6447 on: November 07, 2024, 11:20:26 PM »
That was intentional.

Still laughing that Murph thinks this is all about the price of eggs. Poster child for why the left is getting their asses handed to them and can’t figure out why.

OK, so I think it's about people's economic worries, and you think it's about transgender.

I'll take that bet.

Bernie Moreno hit the nail on the head. Abortion is a bullshit issue. The Democrats needed to win on the economy and oh by the way with any power they could muster deal with abortion. It was a bigger issue in 2022 because it was a recent issue, but now everyone has adjusted. He said "if you're a 55 year old woman, what do you care?" And if you're a woman of any age in most of the swing states, what do you care?" It's only women in Missistuckybamexas that have to worry. And only the women who don't have the money to hop on a plane to Vegas to get an abortion.  In the short term, the issue has heft but our attention spans are short.

The only issue that ever matters is are you worried about money. And Trump is *awful* on that issue. But the Democrats fucked it up anyway and the narrative for months was Trump wasn't staying on point and sticking to his *strength* ??? the economy?

I go out to get dinner and it's freaking nuts how much higher stuff costs. I'm not sure if it's especially bad here in the Bay Area, because when we go to the Ozarks, all I can think "jesus christ these groceries are free" because the price dynamic between the richest part of the country and one of the poorest is very high - so I can't really tell if the price vs 4 years ago is particularly higher in Missouri. I do know that if I hadn't gotten hit on the head by the money fairy I would be pretty freaked out by the new normal. I understand that - you all can give me that whole "man of the people" shit but I don't have a car and take the train and buses everywhere so I end up talking to a lot of people who are really scraping by. We had a 2nd car we never used and I gave it to my gardener, and he was like he just hit the lottery and I'm thinking "this is a 2003 Pilot, wtf dude".

The democrats should just jettison all the cultural stuff as campaign issues entirely. Don't even bring them up at all. If the GOP talks about men in women's sports just say "that's something that congress is definitely going to have to look at!" What are you gonna do, convince the LGBTQ community to vote for the GOP by saying that?

Anyone who knows what the fuck "facism" is - you already have their vote anyway. Just hammer on the economy. Donald Trump didn't know what the fuck he was doing when we got hit with a pandemic, fucked everything up, and it took us 3 years to get it marginally under control because he's such a fucking moron. So yeah, there was inflation. And now the inflation is gone but the damage he caused is done. We did the best we can after he threw a nuclear bomb into our economy.

And now he wants to destroy the US economy with tariffs.

A lot of us knew this, we were just hoping we'd scrape by. Oh well. Hope y'all are here with me on the good side of the GOP filthy lucre live tour.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6448 on: November 07, 2024, 11:23:05 PM »
You responded to my post about democrats not knowing why they lost with four paragraphs explaining exactly how you don’t know how you lost.

When people are feeling flush, they could give two shits about mexicans crossing the border.

Truth.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6449 on: November 08, 2024, 12:07:38 AM »
I liked Tim Walz on the ticket because his ability to get shit done with a one vote majority in MN was massively impressive. I was extremely impressed with what he was able to get passed. Maybe he’s got a little Joe Biden in him and likes to exaggerate what he’s done, IDK. And honestly didn’t really GAF. The guy we elected is a far worse liar for far worse objectives and there’s nothing that could convince me otherwise.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.