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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6285 on: November 06, 2024, 11:21:03 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 06, 2024, 11:10:15 AM
People nationally don't like Progressives and won't vote for them. Hillary and Biden got more votes than Harris.

Both Biden and Hillary, and even Obama, were portrayed as "out of touch elitist progressives".  It goes with the territory. 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6286 on: November 06, 2024, 11:28:45 AM »
Bill Clinton signed DOMA. Barack Obama was against same sex marriage before he was for it.

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The anti-vaccine nonsense is global and affecting people I would never have suspected.
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Climate change denial

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Forms used to have us pick a sex, male or female.

Now it's gender assignment at birth; and current gender identity.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6287 on: November 06, 2024, 12:13:08 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on November 06, 2024, 11:21:03 AM
Both Biden and Hillary, and even Obama, were portrayed as "out of touch elitist progressives".  It goes with the territory.

They were far more centrist, especially Obama, who infamously voted "present" as an IL Senator on an abortion vote. This time around we got 2020 Defund the Police Harris debating 2024 I am Now a Centrist Harris in one Trump ad.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6288 on: November 06, 2024, 12:16:19 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 06, 2024, 06:06:20 AM
https://x.com/intentionally/status/1854021021617066431?s=46

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I think the lesson really is that it's bad to be the incumbent party. There's pretty much always some first world problem to bitch about. Eggs are expensive but it's a hell of a lot better than living in Ukraine or Gaza, or pretty much anywhere in the world.

During Carter's tenure, there was rampant inflation, so he was tossed, just by gravity that had to get better, Reagan gets re-elected and Bush I gets in. The pendulum swings so Bush I loses re-election. Clinton gets the tailwind of some real growth in the tech sector, gets re-elected, but the start of the dot com bubble dooms Gore. Bush II gets by on patriotism post 9/11, but the financial crisis dooms McCain. Obama gets the tailwind of the gravity fixing that and gets re-elected, but by 2016 things are sort of floating along at best so Trump comes in. Trump runs into COVID - not his fault, and no matter what he did people were gonna be unhappy, so he loses. The resultant inflation dooms Biden's administration so Harris is a dead duck.

Trump can't run for re-election - I doubt that even with control of house/senate/supreme court he can change that and the guy will be 82. But Vance or whomever could have a chance because while prices won't go *down*, inflation is down and by 2028 people will be feeling "better" about the new price levels just through inertia.

We'll see. It really is the economy stupid. But don't pretend the President has a lot to do with that.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6289 on: November 06, 2024, 12:19:39 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 06, 2024, 11:09:30 AM
I think they mean different things to different people. Sometimes people are voting for something, like Obama and the Change message in 2008.  This year Trump’s resounding win is mainly a result of a lot of people voting against the broader current state of Democrat Party branding, politics, and culture.

I’ve been saying for quite a while here that the woke wave was breaking. People have had enough of the BS, and they came out in force during this election.
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No. It was pretty much the cost of a dozen eggs. It's not about black vs white. It's about how much green is in your pocket. And no amount of ivy tower thinking of what caused it or what to do about it can overpower that number on the price tag. If you are feeling bad, the incumbent party goes. Period.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6290 on: November 06, 2024, 12:21:46 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on November 06, 2024, 12:16:19 PM
Trump can't run for re-election

You sure they won't try and change the Constitution?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6291 on: November 06, 2024, 12:21:51 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 06, 2024, 12:13:08 PM
They were far more centrist, especially Obama, who infamously voted "present" as an IL Senator on an abortion vote.

Even I didn't know that. What percentage of the 60 million people who voted for him knew that? He won because of the financial crisis, caused by irresponsible wall street bankers - regardless of who was or wasn't writing regulations upon them.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6292 on: November 06, 2024, 12:23:57 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 06, 2024, 05:59:58 AM
Oops all the blathering nonsense just happened to all be 100% accurate

Still waiting for what Kamala and Democrats could have done to earn your vote (besides be Republicans).
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6293 on: November 06, 2024, 12:24:38 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on November 06, 2024, 12:21:51 PM
Even I didn't know that. What percentage of the 60 million people who voted for him knew that? He won because of the financial crisis, caused by irresponsible wall street bankers - regardless of who was or wasn't writing regulations upon them.

And tons of charisma.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6294 on: November 06, 2024, 12:25:11 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 06, 2024, 12:21:46 PM
You sure they won't try and change the Constitution?

Answered.
"I doubt that even with control of house/senate/supreme court he can change that and the guy will be 82."

I think he'll probably croak or become incoherent long before then. Unlike Reagan, he's got too much temper built into him to avoid going out in public and trying to speak even when he becomes a drooling mess.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6295 on: November 06, 2024, 12:25:25 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on November 06, 2024, 12:19:39 PM
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No. It was pretty much the cost of a dozen eggs. It's not about black vs white. It's about how much green is in your pocket. And no amount of ivy tower thinking of what caused it or what to do about it can overpower that number on the price tag. If you are feeling bad, the incumbent party goes. Period.

You mean it was "It's the economy, stupid" and not pissing off terrorism supporters in Dearborn, MI?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6296 on: November 06, 2024, 12:26:57 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on November 06, 2024, 12:21:51 PM
Even I didn't know that. What percentage of the 60 million people who voted for him knew that? He won because of the financial crisis, caused by irresponsible wall street bankers - regardless of who was or wasn't writing regulations upon them.

A lot of people projected a lot of things onto Obama and he went along for the ride. Which is why a lot of people ended up being disappointed with him.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6297 on: November 06, 2024, 12:27:52 PM »
Who needs re-election when there’s such thing as Martial Law?

We live in a country where felons can’t vote, but can be elected President.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6298 on: November 06, 2024, 12:28:38 PM »
Quote from: Luke Getsy on November 06, 2024, 12:23:57 PM
(besides be Republicans).

LOL. You love losing national elections and making that tent smaller. So fucking stupid and typical.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6299 on: November 06, 2024, 12:29:21 PM »
Quote from: Luke Getsy on November 06, 2024, 12:27:52 PM
We live in a country where felons can’t vote.....

This is not necessarily true.
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